Former employer takes witness stand in Jennifer L. Crumbley preliminary hearing

[@Grigsy]

Her boss said "I was surprised she was more worried about her job than her son"

[@Hayday.1979]

Meh, I think that was kind of out of pocket. Seems like her job was the only thing in their life going well, especially at that point, and may have needed to make sure she was still employed for the purpose of legal representation. I don’t know for sure of course, but I can only imagine how your mind would race after something like this. For the record, I definitely think they’re culpable to some degree for their neglect and providing their son access to a (his own) gun, I just don’t necessarily think her calling later about her job meant she didn’t care about her son or what he’d done.

[@rikkitikkitavi997]

@@Hayday.1979 I agree with you. Nobody knows how they’re going to handle horrible news like that. We all have hindsight so we know the right thing to do, but you never know. If I were in her shoes and had allowed my child access to a gun and ammo my first thought would be to get to where my son was. These parents are criminals and I hope they are treated as if they did the shootings.

[@DM-hy7wp]

Seeing as how it was her boss she was speaking to..it seems pretty normal and appropriate to me that she would discuss her job with her boss and not her son. What a horrible boss. She devoted her time to this company, apparently did a good job….but forget about all of that - they would have preferred her talking about her son……yah, right. Just another crappy company and boss.

[@jlorde8838]

@@Hayday.1979 they hid the gun.

[@karenkaptures]

Yes, Jennifer was a smart and conscientious worker who gave her minor son, who she knew was having some emotional problems, a gun and access to it. I hope she and her husband rot in jail. Can’t imagine what the families of the 4 slain kids are going through.

[@Beefer-e4j]

@Jody Owen um- you can’t be serious. These people literally spent 20 hours a week, outside of their jobs, hanging out at a barn with horses when their kid was in constant need of attention, therapy, and laying out every single fucking possible sign that he was going to do something like this. They were neglectful irresponsible and now these other families have to pay for it.

[@eatandrateitkstrading9065]

Jody Owen you are flat wrong. Read about them and then talk.

[@Hayday.1979]

@Jody Owen curious…do you think they’re innocent of what their being accused of, or do you not think their actions are criminal?

[@heidikickhouse-]

@Jody Owen Jody, where can I read the information about the parents being super attentive and responsive to their son's emotional needs? I can tell that your position is based on something and you are not making wild guesses and I would like to read your sources so I can think better of them than I do right now.

[@schoomzer]

@Jody Owen You made a few valid points; however, the school employees did not provide a child with a gun. His parents did however.

[@kevinjohnson7693]

If my attorney kept using the word, uhm, I would be worried. She sucks

[@Ajent.99]

Her lawyer is doing a great job for the prosecution.

[@sasha3432]

Was she court issued? She sounds like she has no previous defense experience. Listening to her makes me cringe.

[@mattmarkus4868]

@@sasha3432 no, shockingly she's done a lot of work. She defends people accused of sex offenses. For example, Larry Nassar which was a huge case. I agree, though, she's awful and disgusting. Something about her.

[@ConfederateDixieDarling]

The defense does not appear to know what they are doing.

[@sharonrynne2242]

Setting up for ineffective counsel on appeal.

[@grandmommu8815]

The extra marital affairs and the child’s behavior ALL show a lack of a cohesive family. They all were seeking something that was missing.

[@pattih7]

Absolutely!

[@joycerichards2951]

So easy to judge people by what you read or hear before anything is heard in their defense.

[@c0mf0rta61ynum6]

@@joycerichards2951 Holy shit. You are ACTUALLY going to bat for infidelity. Do we have to have somebody tell your husband about YOUR extra-marital affairs?

[@Mommapunkin]

@@joycerichards2951 Even with me *NOT* knowing this man, I would trust his words over Jennifer Crumbly in a New York minute! Oh, she was getting up to no good with someone, because she and her husband.....they *BOTH* neglected their son's mental health! That boy was in so deep💩 with mentally issues, he was calling out for help in so many ways....hell, he was screaming it the roof tops, and they still chose to ignore him! But guess what they did? Bought a mentally ill child...a *FREAKING* *GUN!!* How deranged is that!! But I do believe her attention was with her new boy toy. Now we all know her attention wasn't on her son, that's for damn sure! What kind of *parents* ignore, blows off, dismiss or just plain *doesn't* give a rat's🐀 behind about their *OWN* *CHILD'S* who was crying for help! I believe, that some people who are *"parents"* were never meant to one.

[@NastyWoman1979]

@@joycerichards2951 what could their possible defense be???

[@johnraymond723]

My prayers goes out to the children and families of Oxford who suffered from such a horrible act that could have been prevented..

[@janetbenning2645]

I can not listen to that defense attorney any longer.. wow.. so very bad!

[@tammyslaughter9587]

I would be scared to death if every other word out of my defense attorney’s mouth was umm. What umm, did umm ,you umm ,think umm ,about umm ,her umm ,text umm? I think a twelve year old would do better than this umm attorney.

[@DM-hy7wp]

Yep, we should throw her in jail too…..geez.

[@jennifermorris9110]

The defense attorney is horrible makes no points no defense not effective at all !! 💀

[@NastyWoman1979]

Ummmm well hard to defend the indefensible

[@wraynephew6838]

There is really nothing to defend. That is the problem. The parents were so negligent, and so brazen even trying to hide and possibly leave the state. It is hard to defend someone who have been given warnings time and time again and still fail to do anything to remedy the situation.

[@sharonrynne2242]

Strange that she was covered for health insurance, but didn't cover her son or hubs. Especially her son. So sad she chose to spend 5k on a horse recently when other matters should have been more important.

[@dknapp100]

Very appropriate for these "parents" to have these particularly awful lawyers.

[@NastyWoman1979]

@Jody Owen sweetie at least one defended Larry Nassar... you know the Olympic Doctor SA scandal???

[@NastyWoman1979]

@Jody Owen lmfao they already were in financial ruined. 11 months behind on house, thousands paid to horse fees, drugs.... And they took Ethan money with them on the run!! And they aren't as inexperienced or as cheap as you think 🤣🤣🤣

[@enid0mom]

@@NastyWoman1979 Their family in Florida is attempting to sell their house and their horses. That could be to their relatives benefit as much as the parents.

[@littlebird1065]

People who should have never had children🤷🏽‍♀️😡

[@t6l9k47]

This seems like a case of whoops maybe I shouldn’t have been so self absorbed and now I’m in trouble for it. How can I get out of this? Well you can’t really. You messed up and this is what neglect looks like. You can be the best worker ever but that don’t make you a good parent. 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@enid0mom]

I was a single mother and my job was essential for me. But when my daughter said she needed help, I dropped everything to take care of it. She was an inpatient for a few days and then just went to the hospital at night. I never missed any kind of meeting or session parents were expected to attend. My supervisor tried to make me feel guilty because other people on my team had to pick up the slack at a critical point in the mission critical monthly financial cycle. We all gladly did that when another person on our team was dealing with a husband with leukemia and three teenagers. Her husband died and we took up the slack for her and her kids to handle that as well. None of us gave it a second thought. We KNEW she would do that for us. That was the best job I ever had until our group got a new supervisor when the supervisor we all cherished got a deserved promotion. That new supervisor was the supervisor who thought I should put work first. All of those concerned were women. That supervisor managed to get me fired a few months later and COMPLETELY destroyed my life.

[@christineperez7562]

Our court system needs updated. There is no reason for it to take this long.

[@nonmihiseddeo4181]

The reason is the US Constitution and Bill of Rights, which guarantee God-given (not government granted) Rights under the 4th, 5th, and 6th Amendments against self-incrimination and the Right to a trial. All this foundation is required to protect the Rights of someone accused of a crime. If you're ever in trouble, you'll appreciate those Rights and protections.

[@josevictoriavids]

@@nonmihiseddeo4181 thank you, couldn't have said better myself. Hope she never makes it to jury duty.

[@Beefer-e4j]

No, this is to prevent innocent people from getting absolutely railroaded, to allow preparation for trial and motion of discovery review. If 1 million people take forever and even one of them was innocent, it’s worth it.

[@2ndround415]

@@nonmihiseddeo4181 agreed

[@W8RIT1]

I don't think even the prosecution is complaining about the time, there is plenty of material to review.

[@jamesguernick9121]

Ice lake, I like and agree with everything in your reply. I normally don’t watch proceedings or cases but I have to know about this one. I also agree with you that they could have done so much more to help the young boy, Ethan. Now, many lives including Ethan’s is destroyed. One could ask, why she gave so much attention to the horse and not her son?

[@yaaraadrianavardi4163]

Worst defense attorney

[@NastyWoman1979]

Ummmmm agreed but Shannon Smith was the attorney for Larry Nassar. Not cheap nor inexperienced.

[@guywill7875]

The parents wanted their son to act out. They had affairs outside of the marriage and obviously were negligent. The purchasing of the gun for the son is evidence of their intent to rid themselves of their son. They knew he was emotionally damaged and violent. They were hoping he would either harm himself or others so that they would not be responsible for him any longer.

[@janetbenning2645]

I disagree.. The parents simply did not care..

[@heidikickhouse-]

@Jody Owen Funniest comment ever, but she's not a psychiatrist. She's telepathic.

[@callilove8378]

Yep

[@trenyispretty9154]

I’m pretty sure the attorneys know by now they aren’t getting off very easy. They might not get life but they definitely will get some time especially after those messages where Ethan was begging her to just text him back and she couldn’t do so.

[@stevej9636]

that's not a crime........ being a bad parent is not a crime...... texting while driving and getting into an accident and killing another driver because you had your eyes on your phone is negligence...... the kid took the gun and did what he did on his own regardless of his reason he is responsible for his actions no one else is. this violates the constitution in so many ways and is absolutely criminal

[@trenyispretty9154]

@@stevej9636 no you’re right being a shitty absent parent isn’t a crime but neglecting your kid absolutely is. They neglected him knowing he was in a dark moment and needed help by no means am I giving him a excuse for killing innocent children but his parents and the school seen his paper seen he wasn’t in the right mind set seen what he was searching he was home alone while they was riding horses no driving he was at home while she was at work having a affair not driving. So all those messages him telling her I see and hear things you’re telling me she was driving threw all those messages ?? I think not maybe riding her horses and being a whore. But driving while he was sending all those messages nah. She called her kid weird cause he played video games and stood to hisself they didn’t like the type of kid he was so they distance their self from the kid and that’s sad. And you’re telling me her texting her boss DRIVING to her kids school about her keeping her job and she was scared he was gonna kill hisself but she can’t text a message to her kid while driving because she’d get in a wreck?? That don’t add up. They all knew he needed help and didn’t do so. He was crying out for help and nobody seen those signs any school I went to if I wrote that on a paper I promise you I would’ve gotten expelled and went to AEP because that’s basically a threat to the school. But this school didn’t do anything didn’t even check the kids backpack so who’s really at fault lets take a moment and think who’s really at fault. The school and the parents of course Ethan is at fault for murder and by no means do I think he should get released and by no means do I think they should be able to file insanity bc he’s all there he knew what he was doing but he was wanting to get caught prior to this he was hoping his parents was gonna take him out of school and they didn’t nobody gave him any attention and the parents should’ve been there more for him when he needed a shoulder to cry on or when he needed a hug or needed someone to vent to but they was too busy in there everyday life with horses which the horses would’ve been a great therapeutic time for him so there’s no excuse for the parents nor Ethan. Or the school

[@barbarahenninger6642]

When the trial comes defense might be able to raise mitigation. This is just the beginning.

[@LoveGodOutloud]

The need a min mandatory 30 years

[@SJ-vo1bw]

@@stevej9636 You might feel differently if it was your child killed by another child who's parents knew he clearly had mental problems and more important had a fire arm accessible. The parents have a right to have a gun, yes, but with an unstable family member, the gun needs to be secured with absolutely no way to retrieve it, like a safe.

[@greenlawnfarm5827]

Your audio is so bad. It sounds like something from 1900. I'm getting a headache.

[@janetbenning2645]

Um um um.. sickening

[@Arablmts69]

Why do the lawyers talk to the witnesses like they are the ones on trial?

[@NastyWoman1979]

First timer??

[@reneetuer3525]

I agree!

[@winkieblink7625]

Why are theses two defendants hand cuffed to their waists in the courtroom?

[@anaishurtado1784]

Because they were sending messages with their hands and they were warned a couples times to stop doing it

[@lilys7431]

Because it’s a hearing not a trial.

[@mta4562]

jazz hands. they are chained to prevent jazz hands.

[@jlorde8838]

@@lilys7431 because the prosecutor is being evil.

[@sharonrynne2242]

The prosecutor is a shark. The defense has to be worried.

[@peggypatton9170]

Parents school counselor failed this kid

[@Hayday.1979]

@Blazed Angler agreed, but the SCHOOL is responsible for protecting the student body as a whole. If they had concerns about Ethan they should have insisted he go home for the day, kept him in the office for the day, or hell, checked his backpack & locker before sending him back to class. These parents suck and should be held responsible for sure, but so should the school. They didn’t do ANYTHING to protect the students they’re tasked with protecting.

[@enid0mom]

It is sad when defense attorneys have such a bad case that they ask some of the stupid questions Jennifer's attorney asks.

[@surgicaltechcrafter2169]

Ummmm, ummmm, ummm. So it's fair to say...blah blah blah

[@sasha3432]

Jennifer seems to be a narcissist. It is evident that she only cared about two things: horses and her job. Also, it seems that she runs the show at home. While the father is equally to blame for being an absolutely abhorrent parent, Jennifer had far more to do with this tragedy than the dad, I believe.

[@cathystrydom8731]

Defence lawer um um she is picking up stompies. She is repeating questions so annoying. What job is James doing.

[@gardensofthegods]

Cathy ... please tell us what in the world is meant by picking up stompies ? I've never heard that word before

[@wendypollock8168]

Wow, does she have tourettes and her "tell" is using the word Um? 30 times in 10 minutes and a few uses of "uh".

[@theother1406]

It isn't right they have to sit there all bound up.

[@GwenPidgeon]

Why not?

[@theother1406]

@@GwenPidgeon Derek Chauvin sat unbound. Rittenhouse sat unbound. Travis and Greg McMicheals sat unbound. On and on... These two are not going to jump out of their seats in court and start murdering people.. That's why.

[@jlorde8838]

@@GwenPidgeon innocent until proven guilty. And it's unfair optics, the prosecutor knows it.

[@DeviIInADress]

Terrible audio quality

[@J8_official]

8am to 4pm sounds slack by today's standard.

[@lynetter604]

You'd think they would have a bigger court room. I'm getting claustrophobic just watching it.

[@greensteelusallc7862]

Rural community courthouse

[@otrinity8381]

@@greensteelusallc7862 rural? I live in the area, it is not rural.

[@W8RIT1]

How big does it need to be?

[@brett8460]

You expected a small township of 20,000 people to have a luxurious million dollar courtroom?

[@W8RIT1]

@@brett8460 it's actually a county courthouse... Oakland County, with some areas I guess you could say... Fairly wealthy. ... But the point is it's completely functional without being cramped

[@Sclil111]

Um um um fire your lawyer

[@csc1641]

Was playing bouncy, bouncy in Costco parking lot part of her job description in Marketing?

[@marcathens2951]

Where did she work ? Sounds like a small business

[@marcathens2951]

@Jody Owen hmmmm

[@Khleoswife]

Princeton Management LLC

[@jlorde8838]

Director of Marketing was her job title.

[@bond823]

This is going sound bad but I can't get by the fact they bought him a gun. They were having financial problems. I think they wouldn't shed a tier if he offed himself.

[@ksc743]

The audio on this video is really bad. I'm out.

[@ZarbinDrums]

What does her work ethic do With being an unfit mother?

[@jamesguernick9121]

Amy Wilkins, the defense attorney might be hanging in there for now. I think she lost much when the affair came out and Jenn is talking about it to co-workers

[@gilbertvaldez5176]

Ok again where is the relevance in this witness these attorneys go to college to learn this type of examination!

[@wraynephew6838]

The witness is relevant. It is very important to establish that Jennifer could leave her job at anytime to handle family emergencies. The defense cannot use that as an excuse for neglectful actions

[@michaelparker3188]

Wow! Ashame!

[@sythmc8600]

Whereas I believe these two parents were engrossed in their own personal drama, let's be honest and say that assistant was as caught up in it as well 🤦‍♀️.

[@greensteelusallc7862]

I truly believe that Ethan is crying for help but nobody was listening. Mental health is a big thing in youths. She cared more about her horses then her child. No healthcare for child but for herself. Immm my opinion is Ethan was bullied in school an at home. Ethan does need pushiment but chargecas a junvulle

[@W8RIT1]

I'll agree with you on your first two sentences...yes. He even drew them pictures... But NOONE did anything, including the school staff present at the morning meeting... Who after seeing those obviously disturbed pictures and words failed, not only him, but at least 4 others... And then we'll add in some more... But here we are... Being fed propaganda on other items to get the villagers out with their pitchforks and torches... Because they're stoked on emotions of what the prosecutor... AND the media, is trying to paint 🎨 about them. The facts only on their role of proper storage of the gun is at hand, nothing else matters. Did they make it possible for Ethan to get the gun. Focus on that fact only... That is where it hinges upon. Just as we don't really care about how many friends Ethan had... Only the facts as evidence to show he shot and killed 4 people.

[@The_worlddd]

@@W8RIT1 if you only want to include the fact that the parents were negligent allowing access to the gun. They also brought the kid to the shooting range the same month of the shooting, right?

[@W8RIT1]

@@The_worlddd is that an illegal action?? If it's not against the law why even bring it up?

[@W8RIT1]

@@The_worlddd there IS NO fact at this present time to indicate that there was a dereliction in their responsibility to keep the gun safe. Not unless you know something that the general public doesn't know.. But yet here you are, just like a loony liberal, professing a fact with no evidence to back it up only your feelings to guide you from the propaganda that you've been receiving to stoke up your feelings. Facts don't care about your feelings. Wouldn't it be more wise to come to a conclusion, an intelligent conclusion once you have all the facts to make a smart decision?

[@W8RIT1]

@@The_worlddd if you only want to convict the parents for their roles why is it that you have ignored the roles of the school officials present at the morning meeting? They were just as much culpable as the parents for their charges at school that they failed

[@janetbenning2645]

What's up with the husband?

[@youcrazycat1]

He's a dope.

[@DM-hy7wp]

It’s disgusting to question her employer about anything other than employment. What a sick and twisted world we live in. Really great way to encourage honest employee/employer relationships.

[@johnraymond723]

I wish we had control of our children and we loose that control when they start their Yung teens years..or my children would be millionaire if I could only control them

[@darlahunley9990]

If you were on the jury what would you find them guilty of?

[@slf0414]

Negligent manslaughter. Just as if they killed someone in a drunk driving accident. They are guilty of giving access of a gun to a minor no different than knowingly getting behind the wheel of a car while under the influence.

[@barbarahenninger6642]

Some kind of negligent manslaughter for four innocent children. They didn't have intent for him to murder them, but they could have done a lot of things to possibly prevent it.

[@Spindrifts]

I would find them not guilty.

[@bucsr.6106]

Contributing to the delinquency of a minor.

[@Hayday.1979]

@@filthylucreonyoutube damn, cold hard truth right there.

[@joycerichards2951]

Are the parents of all the kids killing other kids in every city in this nation also being charged as bad parents? For having guns in their homes, for having affairs and for being negligent parents. They need a great lawyer.

[@OhCrumbs96]

Are all those kids being charged with acts of terrorism? Using weapons bought for them by their parents?

[@cristineconnell7803]

Did they buy it for the kid? It was the kids gun they gifted as an early Xmas gift, while ignoring clear and present warning signs & red flags!

[@anaishurtado1784]

My son is Ethan’s age, I still looking at her backpack before leaving to school (because he has adhd and gets distracted), I also send a behavior sheet to making accountable of his actions, I wouldn’t allow to my son own a gun if he doesn’t show me, he is mature and responsible of a gun use. They knew about the gun, they should look on his backpack before leaving the school, if it was in his possession at home.

[@cristineconnell7803]

@@anaishurtado1784 my kids wanted rights, those were earned by trustworthy conduct & behavior! It was my job to not just raise them well, but keep them & others alive in process! If that means looking through a bag, room, or locker, so be it! I didn't make it an issue, it never was 1! I drew a line in the sand & stuck by it! My house my rules, but also my GOD given duty to protect & defend, even from themselves at times! Grandkids now & my youngest graduated a few yrs ago. The principals don't change, tough love saves lives! The key ingredient of that is love, which is defined as time & attention well spent! If you don't have the wisdom & knowledge, find someone who does! Too important not to! What we raise today, society has to deal with tomorrow!

[@cristineconnell7803]

@@anaishurtado1784 3 adult adhd kids, notes & organizers are keys to success for them! As well as supportive accountability! Have a blessed day!;

[@gr6058]

Ummmmmmmmmm

[@maureenwebber9646]

I am no fan of these parents… they are self centered monsters but I think it’s wrong to have clients be chained up and not allowed to change into more civilian clothes…. Because not allowing that is automatically prejudicial and I want more innocent people be allowed that ability too Being poor shouldn’t automatically lead to guilt

[@Heatherzrule]

This is just the preliminary hearing in front of the judge to determine whether the state has enough evidence to go to trial, not determine guilt or innocence. Once there is a jury trial, in most, if not all U.S. jurisdictions, the defendant has the right to not be seen by the jurors in custody clothing unless and until a verdict is reached. Seeing a custody jumpsuit can lead to an inference of guilt.

[@robertmoroney3461]

This is a fake courtroom drama, and these mouse stories are getting a little bit sillier. Just consider the names mentioned. They are so called mouse names and a mouse script: Ethan, and decades before that (Ian, Enoch, Jamie, and Jen). Then there is the defense team for James and Jennifer who are out of a satanic mouse cartoon: Cheo/ Chei and Glow Worm. Even the name Crumbley is a mouse name. Every 5 to 10 years (going back to the 1960s) they've been running this same fake news story. By the way, text messages are not admissible in the United States courtrooms, and neither is wiretapping.

[@wendypollock8168]

I'm guessing you got very deep into the qanon movement before Ron Watkins accidentally admitted he was Q.

[@1teresakim]

Uuummh

[@o0QuAdSh0t0o]

1st

[@joannak4640]

So 🤷🏼‍♀️

[@chiefscheider]

@@joannak4640 You're supposed to be proud like his/her mommy and daddy 😄 Imagine the maturity of someone who has to proclaim "1st" in a YT comments section...

[@mellowvids9637]

oLD SchOol

[@tinafrompasadena3192]

With nothing to say

[@VABee59]

Why is this couple on trial? Is it because they’re making a point about bad parents? Yes they are. And how about bringing out the rest of the bad parents who’s children have murdered. Watch out black parents… they’re coming for you!

[@Hayday.1979]

Oh wow, fear mongering AND racism in the same post? What an impressive right wing feat.

[@tanyaflemon1870]

Providing a firearm and ammunition to a child and they go out a mass kill then YES parents are responsible no matter the color. They are being tried because they were NEGLIGENT!!

[@laycieridout466]

Any parent who is found guilty of neglect should should face criminal charges

[@wendypollock8168]

Beth, your sheet is showing. Tuck it in.

[@mta4562]

bet you are mother-of-the-year down at the klan rally.

[@RichardSpeights]

If I work for somebody and discovered he testified about another employee, I would quit immediately and never work for him again.

[@aubraehersel7720]

I suppose you don't understand how subpoenas work. They are witnesses to events. They have a duty and legal obligation to testify under penalty of law enforced by fines and contempt of court including jail time.

[@zalmaflash]

Richard - as long as the truth is told I don't see a problem. Honest person.

[@RichardSpeights]

@@zalmaflash No... If I had employees, than anything I would know by my company policy would be classified.... They're my employees, and I would have an obligation and a duty to not reveal anything I know about them due such an intimate relationship. Besides, none of these people were at the scene of the crime, none of these people lived with in this house with the parents and the child, their testimony is hearsay and innuendo and has nothing to do with the issue at hand. I have far more honor than to testify about an employee in a kangaroo court.

[@lisa408t]

He was clearly there per a subpoena...LEGALLY required to be there...not a choice

[@RichardSpeights]

@@lisa408t Everybody's got a choice, Lisa. Everybody's got a choice.