Former Google CEO Spills ALL! (Google AI is Doomed)

[@matthew_berman]

What do you think he is right about? Wrong about?

[@DaveShap]

thanks for this unabridged and in depth coverage. what gives me comfort (and some alarm) is that us KZbinrs are on the same page as the top minds: Demis, Emad, Eric... we're all the adults in the room. This is... unsettling. In an ideal world, the experts have orders of magnitude more grasp on this stuff than us mavens. But this is the world we live in. It's why we do what we do. THe conversation continues..

[@matthew_berman]

@@DaveShap thanks Dave!

[@Socket1923]

Could you do a review/tutorial of SakanaAI AI-Scientist, pretty pretty please?

[@christopherflanagan9626]

He's wrong about being able to trust Canada; UK and Canada are going full dystopian, betraying their own citizens. I don't think we can even trust the US government at this point.

[@misterfamilyguy]

Just listening for opportunity

[@accidentalhippie943]

Brother, “The rich get richer and the poor do the best they can” is not a dystopian look at the future; it’s a sobering look at the present.

[@matthew_berman]

@@accidentalhippie943 well said

[@warrenb2856]

Especially when this guy controls the government/world policy. At least he was honest and told you his plan.

[@executivelifehacks6747]

To a point... the rich also marry good looking a lot of the time and they end up with better looking but less business savvy kids, spoiled, with less motivation to preserve/build wealth. The richest - Bezos, Musk, Zuckerberg, Buffett et al, all self made men. It's not the kids of the Rockefellers.

[@bhavikpatel576]

😢

[@TheThundertaker]

Difference is when AI eliminates jobs, everyone will be fixed in place. Nobody will be able to use talent and hard work to move up, the rich will be a new aristocracy.

[@kterry697]

"Eric Schmidt wants you to believe he is a visionary leader that wants you to embrace AI for a better future, but he's actually a corporate strategist that wants you to support policies and practices that consolidate power within his sphere of influence."

[@nidieunimaitre007]

Spot on. And we see these little greedy globalists for what they are now....too late, you've been found out mate.

[@dmonee6196]

💯

[@Kteeee]

Where’s that quote from

[@UncleTehrarist]

if only there was a timemachine already - we could pack all the socalled "futurists" into it and send them all faaar faaar faaar into the future ;)

[@waynegnarlie1]

Monsters of the Id!

[@WillieBloom]

American and Scandinavian perspective here. Work life balance is actually extremely important. This does not mean sitting in a beanbag all day, drinking lattes and playing ping-pong. If the work week should be 40 hours or 35 hours or five days or four days is not really the important part. The important part is that you go to your job, you do your job and then you go home when you’re supposed to go home. Occasionally, you have to put in a little extra time but for the most part, the amount of hours expected of you should be predetermined and you should be paid for them. If your employer wants a 50 or 60 hour work week from you, then you put that in the contract and in the salary and an additional number of days per year of paid leave. I don’t care if it’s the Stone Age or the information age. We work to live. We do not live to work. A small percentage of us are workaholics. A small percentage of us are entrepreneurs and will work every waking moment for years to succeed. For the rest of us there need to be not just realistic expectations, but humane expectations. Personally, I don’t like calling what I do wage slavery but I certainly don’t want my employer looking at me that way. Would you?

[@collin9085]

He's talking about people who want to do big things like innovate new technology. Obviously the vast majority people are not going make a real impact on the world. And obviously the vast majority of people don't want to work hard. He is giving a lecture to Stanford students who he believes are some of the brightest and most motivated people. His comments are targeted at them. Keep in mind, you probably have to be a workaholic in the first place to be successful at Stanford engineering.

[@90daydifference]

@@collin9085Working hard definitely exists on a spectrum. These people, in most estimations, work too much.

[@atHomeNYC]

He fought for Microsoft to be broken up and Google not be broken up. A fighter for open source software while Google CEO. This guy is full of sh....t. Just another brilliant Silicone Valley guy with a value system that's corrupted by greed. Such a sad combination. We have enough of those.

[@shuang7877]

why does greed corrupt? That's a bad thing?

[@TheBadFred]

He is a WEF agenda contributor - That says all.

[@lanceharvie6933]

Unfortunately you are spot on 😢

[@PurifyWithLight]

@@shuang7877 It is if your not evil.

[@zacboyles1396]

He’s also a huge supporter of censorship, if not obvious by his efforts to censor his own video. And, you might think a university would resist such a request but then you might not be aware of Stanford’s absolutely dystopian censorship group “Stanford Internet Observatory”. Freedom of Information Act requests show just how insane and dangerous that power, the power to tell others what is ‘truth’, made these people.

[@natwon633]

"imagine a non arrogant programmer" spoken exactly like a CEO that takes no criticism on insanely dumb ideas

[@matthew_berman]

Yes

[@dezigns333]

Now I have a programmer that doesn't judge my insanely dumb ideas.

[@zachf2119]

You clearly have not managed programmers… haha. Or you are a programmer.

[@wafflesiam]

You sound mad. Are you a programmer?

[@MrDasfried]

​​@@zachf2119two Things can be true at the same time. Some programmers have a attitude as well as Eric displays one here so yeah... Do you wanted to say something though?

[@alyoshapearce5985]

This is an example of when you're smart enough to get through a complicated job interview.But not smart enough to actually do the job.

[@smith1023]

In my experience, if you can't do the job, passing the interview just buys you like 1/2 -1 year, until you need to look for another one, maybe there are different kind of companies out there

[@ajk_]

@@smith1023referrals are huge. Reputation precedes you.

[@miguellorenzo3726]

I don't understand. Are you talking about Eric? If you are then that's clearly not a good example lol

[@defectiveresistor]

So this guy has admitted to ‘didn’t see that coming’ several times. What makes you think he knows what’s coming this time round?

[@BlairBryngelson]

He also says point blank " I invest in everything because I don't know whose gonna win" so what makes you think his strategy isn't sound, regardless of your argument?

[@justingriffin2546]

Well he sold out and works with the CIA etc so i guess they have told him whats coming....

[@jsc3417]

@@BlairBryngelson his stragtegy is to play the number game. That's not really a "sound" strategy.

[@bztube888]

The saying goes: "Your guess is as good as mine", but in this case - because of his expertise - his guess is probably better than ours.

[@quantum_ocean]

yet under Eric Schmidt's performance as CEO of Google: Financial Growth: Analyze revenue growth from ~$86 million in 2001 to ~$38 billion in 2011 Examine market capitalization increase Review profit margins and earnings growth Product Innovation: List major product launches (e.g., Gmail, Google Maps, Chrome, Android) Assess the market impact and user adoption of these products Evaluate the company's expansion beyond search (into mobile, browsers, etc.) Organizational Expansion: Track employee growth from ~200 to ~32,000 Examine global office expansion Assess the development of Google's unique corporate culture

[@maxentropy0305]

His responses were quick, but produced more hallucination than LLMs :)

[@patrickjreid]

Yes! Seriously. He clearly hasn't done an honest days work in 30 years. Literally anyone could do what he is doing now if they had the capital.

[@michaelnurse9089]

Sometimes ChatGPT hallucinates but those hallucinations lead down the rabbit hole and you thing have your doubts whether perhaps the hallucinations were more truthy than you at first thought.

[@tomtech1537]

@@michaelnurse9089 kinda like Brandolini's law... Humans always trust in confident delivery and once learnt, it is much harder to unlearn, which is what makes LLM so cancerous. Confidently asserted rubbish answers that it will absolutely double down on... Just like someone obnoxious on the internet...

[@maxentropy0305]

@@tomtech1537 Good point, but I have to say as the models improve, they will easily surpass human in both breadth and accuracy, if not already have. Hallucinations will become increasingly rare.

[@tomtech1537]

@@maxentropy0305 The problem is as the host presented... Improving quality can be done by feeding more data (doesn't exist) or improving the alogrithms which is unlikely to get where you think it will with incremental changes. Fundamentally when you think about it an LLM will always hallucinate as it has to represent information in a lossy way (and therefore has to extrapolate when responding). So the question is whether it can represent the information efficiently enough to have an acceptable hallucination rate for the problem domain... and I think the answer to that will always be no for most applications.

[@hotzenmonster]

My biggest fear is that AI will actually end up driving the masses away from technology. Much like social media, it serves to amplify the very worst of human behavior. As time goes on, more and more of us will long for real, human intelligence and interaction. We will continue to appreciate more and more just how simple we actually are and that the joy of a simple life has been increasingly eroded by technology. AI hasn't cured a disease (yet) or solved the climate crisis (yet) and beyond generating images, text and video has shown itself to be primarily a means by which corporate entities can replace workers to increase productivity. That doesn't serve the future of humanity, it endangers it.

[@ShadowTheHedgehogCZ]

Other than replacing workers and increasing productivity, AI is also mainly used to analyse personal data that companies obtained from users (by various means), and use this data maximize profits by targetted search for people whose money can be best extracted from them. So yeah, so far, UI is used for not so great things. And the carrot on a stick is that it may cure cancer one day, maybe.

[@spartakos3178]

Fear? A humanity that learns to reject harmful technology will be healthier and more sane.

[@diane9247]

That all sounds wonderful to me.

[@taroman7100]

We dont NEED it! We were happier without all of this crap that divorces us from our humanity. Think of all the fluff and insigificant crap that is put on here and for what? It's STEALING our lives, reduces our quality of life. I hate, dont need it, never wanted to learn anything about it. It takes more than it creates. It's the great leveler. It has revolutionized our economy and world.

[@skwills1629]

I Think You are Right. I Can't say much to Add to it, but wanted to Show Support.

[@marcusk7855]

KZbin should have a timeline of Likes. So you can like and dislike certain parts of the conversation.

[@n8works]

KZbin could DO So much. They are dumb.

[@inadad8878]

they went in the direction of not showing dislikes and censorship in our face so

[@youdontneedmyrealname]

They already hide the dislike count from public view. They would NEVER implement something that could be used to show real sentiment.

[@madorlando]

I like this.

[@hercules71185]

They even took away dislikes which was terrible.

[@tansiewbee4292]

A wise old person told me a long time ago that " the higher a monkey climbs up the ladder of " knowledge", " expertise ", " wealth ", " power " and " authority ", the more you can see of the " behind ", and it is not a pretty sight".😊😊😊

[@justingriffin2546]

the higher monkey shit always lands on those below him...

[@pyerack]

Power lets people show who they truly are.

[@Truthseeker_12638]

Journey to the west 🫡

[@monicamiranda3161]

This company is not in the same situation as standard oil, it has become so asymmetrical that we got in the situation of Atlantis and God sent the deluge. That is the situation humanity is with this company. What happened to that global empire, its pyramids, its satellites, it terrible knowledge of physics? God sent the deluge. Unfortunately some of their technology survived, but babel was being made with bricks. Even so they decided to go ahead with their mafia and defy God. They never reached the point to be able to build pyramids and other stone structures that we see in Peru and other countries. They did a very weird thing that is to modify their DNA. We see that in chapter 4 of Genesis. This was not a good thing. We are lesser than the Atlantis and our judgment maybe harder as God was born as a true man to save us from corruption, wickedness, tenebre . AI is something that is not just programming engineering. It's much more and they should tell humanity what it is. What asymmetrical war is. We are waiting.

[@projectsspecial9224]

@@tansiewbee4292 that's really funny 🤣🤣😂😂 Also there are monkeys 🐒 🐵 that throws their poopies💩 at other people

[@SuperNovaRider]

This dude is literally the typical CEO. He seems to know a lot, but when you listen to him, you'll notice that he doesn't *truly* understand what he's talking about. One such example is his idea strange definition "open source", that isn't open source at all. Truly competent CEOs are (just like all overly intelligent people) very rare.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

On the other hand... "Those that can, do.... Those that can't...." Well, in this case ".... Complain on antisocial media"

[@seriouscat2231]

@@rogerstarkey5390, he made a valid point. You totally ignored it and then belittled him for it. I get real big guy vibes from you.

[@TheAceInfinity]

This is the underlying issue with all these globalists.

[@a5cent]

It's not that hard. Is the CEO of a tech company an acomplished engineer? They will likely do well. Microsoft, Intel and Google all did well when that was the case. However, all large and publicly owned companies eventually have those CEOs replaced with business/marketing types. Their job is not to optimize corporate strategy, but to optimize kick backs for shareholders. This is always corrosive, but shareholders ride that wave until the company is hollowed out. Intel is a very sad current example.

[@youonlyliveonce6000]

Matthew, thank you so much for reposting the “ brutal honesty” parts of Eric’s response before it is taken down.👏

[@michaelnurse9089]

Yes. These comments are probably only controversial within the walls of Google HQ.

[@nsbd90now]

At 33 minutes "The country is going to have to learn critical thinking." He is completely unaware of "The Powell Memo" written in 1971 by future Supreme Court Justice Lewis Powell warning business about the danger an educated populace capable of critical thinking posed to them. The irony can't get more rich in this disturbing interview!

[@GuyNAustin]

A disturbing interview indeed. Glad some people possess the critical thinking skills needed to recognize just how disturbing. Reading between the lines reveals the elitist mindset possessed by these Silicon Valley Marxists, insofar as his underlying insinuation that the country is largely comprised of those who do not possess such critical thinking skills. Sadly, he’s probably more correct than incorrect on that point, but it’s still revealing of his own aggrandized view of himself and his superiority. People with such elitist mindsets, who possess the money and the power that offers them are a greater threat to humanity than the AI they are creating.

[@DipayanPyne94]

Correct ! What's more important is to realise where this Elitist mentality of his actually comes from. It is a tale that goes back to Babylon at least 😂

[@mark_2]

@GuyNAustin If you think capitalist oligarch silicon valley defense contractors are "marxists" you might take that advice about critical thinking.

[@mark_2]

@DipayanPyne94 It comes from controlling all search engines and social media apps and reading everyone's dm's besides being billionaires who control government policy.

[@nsbd90now]

@@Coynepurse He is disturbingly ignorant of the socio-cultural forces and dynamics at work over the past half-century, at least. Indeed, he expresses them, thus, the irony.

[@dc8jz]

The guy who took “no” out of “do no evil”

[@michaelroberts1120]

I can only surmise that what Schmidt means by everything about him is open source is that he will take whatever he finds useful from open source and use it to create his own proprietary products. He is the type of individual who will ignore the fact that you're supposed to contribute to open source as well.

[@yolandazach]

We were so happy we could we didn't ask if we should!?!

[@musicbro8225]

and clear up the mess afterwards. e.g. silence the complaints.

[@netify6582]

He is exactly what's wrong with Big Tech.

[@the_flushjackson]

Polluting the young minds at Stanford with his drivel.

[@DipayanPyne94]

It's much more than that, actually.

[@nihiltube]

Schmidt is such a moron, I'm a bit saddened he is given voice through the platform. But you are also right, he's part of the problem and this will be a document for posterity that will help to explain out the misery brought about by these specimen

[@LuMaxQFPV]

Why? Example?

[@billfrug]

​@LuMaxQFPV his perfect world is one where he fires all the "arrogant programmers "

[@irishsamurai9008]

How anyone can take any ceo seriously is beyond me

[@nsbd90now]

Around 24 minutes. It is insane he is against "work-life balance" and then is a "liberal" arguing about... feeding war the the Military-Industrial Complex. This interview is totally dystopian.

[@alphajackal6648]

Liberals have a very long history of feeding the military-industrial complex. Liberals are not leftists.

[@mark_2]

And either he is a geopolitical mor*n or lying about Ukraine. The war is entirely based on the US pushing NATO into inevitable confrontation with Russia by "non-negotiable" expansion from 12 to 32 countries with the stated goal to balkanize Russia.

[@dmonee6196]

@@nsbd90now like I’m not sure if “gaslighting” or “doublespeak” is more accurate for describing what he’s doing. It’s so eerie, inhuman and weird.

[@dmonee6196]

Wait. Make that anti-human

[@dazealex]

The valley wants nothing to do with work/life balance. They parrot it, but it's all BS with stack rankings at each and every FAAG and most others. I know first hand.

[@ericpmoss]

"Google decided it was more important to go home early." As in, a normal work week rather than a sweat shop that makes two people wealthy and the rest dead.

[@byrnemeister2008]

I know plenty of people at Google who work ridiculous hours. If you want to become a VP work comes first. But pretty much the same anywhere. Most people fall by the wayside and don’t make it.

[@freidrichnietzsche7851]

the part all these CEO guys (seem to) miss is that when any venture is starting, it usually involves a relatively tight knit community of people working together to succeed together. people don't work hard for abstract concepts like "innovation," they work hard so their "tribe" and they themselves can reap future rewards and succeed. when it goes from "dave and becky" to a large bureaucracy of faceless email addresses and surveillance the incentive changes from busting your ass and supporting the community to just trying to avoid getting hassled, which usually involves remaining anonymous and getting as little done as possible, and leaving the second you are allowed to. in fact, in this environment, people who work hard are inevitably expelled and treated with hostility. there is no commandment from on high that google can make to change this. they are too monolithic

[@yt23-curl]

@@freidrichnietzsche7851spot on

[@floatingsidewalk1]

Exactly.

[@user-gf6gf2iy2k]

Yeah...doubts about that. Seems more like a plug for commercial real estate and pushing people back to the office.

[@JaapvanderVelde]

35:34 "Eventually [..] a consumer [..] saying exactly what they want." - as a software developer with 35+ years of experience, I have to say: you're wrong. The idea that users can actually say exactly what they want (or need) is a fiction, similar to the fiction that people in an economy will rationally select products that are good for them, or efficient. That's not to say that an AI could not perform the elicitation of true requirements as well, but that goes well beyond the much simpler task of "programming" and may well require general AI.

[@richardclark9535]

Same fantasy from the end of the last century with 4GLs or during the symbolic AI bubble before that.

[@mydogsbutler]

Ignore work/life balance, warhawk, anti-EU. Schmidt claims to be a liberal but his positions sound more like neocons.

[@jumpstar9000]

absolutely 💯

[@alessandrorossi1294]

Not much difference between them tbh

[@SeattleShelby]

It’s a uni-party.

[@nauy]

Most ‘liberals’ are in fact neocons.

[@lanceharvie6933]

He part of the establishment

[@granitetie]

My hot take: people are thinking about hallucinations in the wrong way. People think that as models improve, hallucinations will decrease. Literally *all* of the output of a transformer is a hallucination. But also, very crucially, *all* of human perception is a hallucination. The trick is that the human attention system has layers of “logic” on topic that constrain the hallucination into something productive.

[@n8works]

This guy gets it! 🍻

[@NakedSageAstrology]

Well said. This is why I am working on a multi agent system, where each agent plays the role of a function of mind. I am following the ancient yogic philosophy of mind: Ahamkara, Manas, Bhuddi & Chitta.

[@friendofai]

I believe Microsoft terms it as 'usefully wrong '

[@VintagedMillennial]

I'm very new to all this but I think what you just said is what my next level up in understanding would have gone. I'm just now getting to noise and how it really is the actual sauce of life, so I don't know how long that would have taken me to factoring hallucinations but, thank you, potentially. real life negative prompting is wild

[@drachenfels6782]

It's a useless factoid, of course, some of us got it all wrong. But if you build a model that is supposed to harness knowledge or skill it has to perform better than your neighbour in the pub next door after 10 beers.

[@jsc3417]

DOn't do evil? This guy is truly evil.

[@rokljhui864]

I have programmed since 1987. Anyone who mocks Python, doesn't understand programming. He's also clueless about the necessity for programmers to work in utter silence, preferably at home.

[@aisle_of_view]

But constant interruptions and office politics spice things up, so thinketh middle management.

[@dnomyarnostaw]

Back in the day, sound cancelling headphones saved my programming career, and my sanity. Its was so hard doing a job where management doesn't understand wtf you are doing, and why.

[@juliusfucik4011]

There is plenty to mock about Python, but it is not a bad language. It is flexible and easy to learn. And yes, I work best from home. I log in to my workstation from home and get more done per hour at home than in the office. The office is noisy, too hot and there are too many people talking.

[@brothermu]

@@rokljhui864 whatever he said... During his tenure Google funded the development of python and employed Guido.

[@Etcher]

Fully agree.

[@harrybarrow6222]

Re Eric Schmidt and working from home: I did research in AI for 40 years, in academia, non-profit orgs, and industry, in both the UK and the USA. I wrote a LOT of experimental software, trying out ideas, implementing applications, plus writing academic papers, writing funding applications 😄, etc. I was even developing neural networks back in the late 1980s. For these things, I needed to work in UNINTERRUPTED stretches of several hours at a time. I was juggling a lot of things in my head and interruptions destroyed a lot of that. (Imagine in an AI, with a million token context that periodically gets decimated by irrelevant tasks interrupting.) For me, getting away from the office phone, the drop-in visits by colleagues, the arbitrary HR presentations,…, was very valuable. Management did not understand, and wanted faces in offices. Looks like Schmidt does not fully understand either.

[@claudiaweisz8129]

💯👌

[@hawaiianwood4114]

The new generation don’t work like we do. To many distractions. Trying to program and run a KZbin channel while being involved in identity politics.

[@janalgos]

What I learned from this video is that Matthew Berman seems more competent about AI than Eric Schmidt and that Eric Schmidt is a US government agent.

[@morgan1719]

"Saudi Arabia won't adhere to U.S. national security concerns" Translation: Saudi Arabia won't let our elites maintain control of the peasantry and the world"

[@user-rr9lv9ll4x]

No, the Saudis want to grasp that power for their philosophies and made-up ideas that they want spread around the world. They, like the rest of us think they are the most righteous. God help the world to stay free of everyones well meant tyranny.

[@janchiskitchen2720]

It amazes me that we are in an advanced AI era and still it is such a difficult task to set up a simple audio in a classroom. This happens all the time. 🤔

[@reasonwarrior]

Human stupidity in a nutshell.

[@aisle_of_view]

They need a room mic placed in the center of the desks area. Sounds complicated.

[@vss963]

It looks like an improvised session, I don't expect soundproofing/echo reduction setup or anything fancy. The real question is, why didn't they use AI to fix the output of the bad setup? 😁

[@dannydriggers8214]

You might be surprised by the red tape people have to jump through to even buy all the crap in that classroom. Then, the support personnel it takes to make it work/keep it running. The teachers and students don't have a clue how to use it half of the time.

[@CrispBaker]

genAI is just a set of bullshit engines, they can't do useful work, which is why the market is discovering that they're mostly a waste of money If you want a bullshitters you can just hire a CEO

[@containercore6832]

Eric Schmidt has Cypriot citizenship. For those that aren't aware Cyprus is a major tax haven, or at least was until earlier this year lol

[@GMTheEpic]

"Give me a Google" - 30 seconds later. Here is your bill of 350 billion dollars to setup the infrastructure 😂😂😂

[@torarinvik4920]

People in small startups believe in what they do and are enthusiastic about what they are doing. Big corporations have a lot of people that just work for a salary. You can't expect the same type of dedication and enthusiasm in large, bulky, impersonal businesses.

[@starblaiz1986]

Exactly. People are more enthusiastic and invested in a company when the CEO knows their name personally and says hello to them every morning. They are much less invested when they've never met the CEO and know they're just a number in an accounting database.

[@torarinvik4920]

@@starblaiz1986 Indeed. Agree 100%.

[@betag24cn]

that enthusiasm exists if the part of the company required to have enthusiasm is well paid and can move freely, they feel like they are part of something and what they do matters, if that is not possible, what you describe is what always happens

[@torarinvik4920]

@@betag24cn Indeed!

[@slartybobfoster2273]

Well said

[@alphajackal6648]

I feel like I need a shower after listening to this guy.

[@AG-iu9lv]

He's a 🤡 who likes to hear himself talk. I didn't make it halfway thru the video.

[@halifaxlithos2488]

Same here.

[@rinosous]

You needed a shower before, too. But you also need one after.

[@testtest-lc4xz]

For real

[@Bronco541]

God I would love it if google broke up. Put a freakin stop to these monopolies for christ sake

[@GordonBrevity]

#capitalism

[@Ponkan45]

Capitalism is great overall but of course some things need to be regulated better like medical industry and energy and housing

[@2bNot]

Capitalism is just a symptom of the core disease. Humans.

[@captainobvious-CH]

@@GordonBrevity WRONG! The problem is NEVER Capitalism. It is ALWAYS some political ideology that seeks to expand government, in general MARXISM! ESG (Environmental, Social & Corporate Governance) , DEI (Diversity, Equity and Inclusion), CRT (Critical Race Theory), Transgenderism, 3rd and 4th Wave Feminims, the Climate hysteria as well as organizations such as Antifa, Extinction Rebellion and BLM are all products of Marxist ideology, yet they are openly supported by billionaires who also control the mainstream and social media narrative. Here are the main promoters: • Larry Fink, chairman of BlackRock, the largest investment fund in the world, is a member of the board of the WEF and CFR; he is the original promoter of ESG, which he imposes on any company wishing to be financed via BlackRock- or Vanguard-controlled capital • Bill Gates launched the far-left Slate and MSNBC; he has a huge influence on mainstream media all over the planet; he is also the 3rd largest donor to the WHO, after the US & China • Jeff Bezos owns the Washington Post; he also bought Slate from Microsoft; he made them even more "woke" then they had been • Steve Jobs' widow Lauren Powell Jobs owns The Atlantic, led by Robert Reich, a Rhodes Scholar (like Bill Clinton and Rachel Maddow); they promote truly toxic content, praising the Chinese social credit system, calling for censorship, normalizing pedophilia etc. • Marc Benioff, founder of Salesforce, owns Time Magazine; he was a member of the WEF board of trustees; in 2016, he joined a Super PACs with a Soros to fund Hillary's run for presidency and donates to Soros-backed "Student" movement against guns; he massively promoted Greta • Donald Edward Newhouse is a billionaire heir with an estimated net worth of $20 billion; he owns Conde Nast, which controls Reddit and publications such as The New Yorker, Vogue and Teen Vogue, which all openly and explicitly promote Marxism • Jay Penske is a billionaire heir who owns Rolling Stone, Variety, WWD, Deadline Hollywood and others; they all promote Marxism • Ted Turner founded CNN; he was strong supporter of the Club of Rome and its Marxist, Malthusian ideology; while the ownership of CNN changed, the ideological foundation did not • John Warnock, co-founder of Adobe, and William R. Hambrecht, an investment banker involved with Google's IPOs, finance Salon • The Rockefeller Foundation spreads propaganda via the Trilateral Commission, their CFR / ECFR, the Brookings Institute & the Mercury Foundation, specifically created to promote the anti-COVID "vaccines" • George Soros invested more than $30 billion into buying political power and influence; his Open Society Foundation is allied with the WEF; he finances a huge range of far-left organizations and publications, including MoveOn.org, Progressive.org etc. He controls most of the "fact-checkers". • Mark Zuckerberg has total control over Facebook and Instagram; he is associated with Soros, who picked almost all the members of his ideological content review board • Sergey Brin and Larry Page, the Google founders, fully support the WEF agenda; like Zuckerberg, they are Young Global Leaders • Reid Hoffman is a co-founder of LinkedIn who gave $700K to Biden's 2024 campaign; he censored pro-Trump and anti-lockdown/anti-masking voices on LinkedIn • The Pritzker family, who made their wealth with the Hyatt hotel chain, do not directly control media outlets, but they have a huge influence over the healthcare sector and transgender propaganda; J. B. Pritzker is governor of Illinois

[@federicomuria8377]

... we seriously need to rethink why are we so obsessed with AI....... whats the point of having AGI if we throw society under the bus in the process???

[@juicydangler207]

There isn’t one. These folks are going to ruin it.

[@juliusfucik4011]

I am a trained scientist, working as one as well and the problem is that many people, especially in tech, have made tech into a religon. It satisfies an innate need for control.

[@federicomuria8377]

@@juliusfucik4011 yes..... and it could be the biggest (and last) mistake of humanity

[@reginamemoriesforever-vc8ql]

These are psychopaths

[@FAK_CHEKR]

I checked out ChatGPT a little when it was first available. Haven’t looked at any of the later products. I’ve lost interest in AI until she knocks on my door and offers me a free sample.

[@snarkyboojum]

Eric took Google from "Do no evil" to "Do whatever it takes to make more money from advertising". He's also wrong on so many of his technical points. There's a reason he doesn't want this interview being widely distributed.

[@gubzs]

All of his comments blaming remote work, work life balance, programmers who _unbelievably_ have to be paid and "don't do what he wants" are just flagrantly narcissistic and sociopathic. This man thinks that serving him is a privilege and an honor.

[@lynco3296]

He was just making a comparison between AI and human employees, and when you actually compare them on all those points he is obviously correct.

[@gubzs]

@@lynco3296 It wasn't what he said, it was the sneering way he said it.

[@onlinealias622]

I’m a software engineer and hearing that I was like “f this guy”. I work at AWS so I’m not opposed to working hard but if my managers looked at me like that I’d peace out.

[@lubricustheslippery5028]

I think that the companies needs to have good working conditions to be able to hire good coders and engineers. One skilled programmers working 100% is doing much more than several mediocre coders working at 150%. A few in a startup could work the but off for a while but it can't scale up. And it is creative work that needs time and reflection, endlessly stressing out stuff can't lead to great innovations.

[@JoelSapp]

I don't think he said it tactfully, but there is truth in what he is saying. There is no worklife balance in startups that make big splashes. They work crazy hours and by working in the office, they all feed on that energy. Companies can do this but it has to be a mission that people really believe in and usually stock options. But an AI programmer would be able to out compete even that "energy" and eventually that talent level. Nvidia as an example does not ring true with me. They are hot right now because their hardware is the shovel during the gold rush. There are some steam shovels and some earth movers but there are very few and people don't know how to use them. This will change if the money continues to pour into the space. But all of this very little to do with Nvidia's work at home rule. They are like Google in the early 2010s

[@ryanfranz6715]

One thing I really appreciate though is he actually gives concrete answers, actually drops names of specific companies, countries, and individuals. Most people in his position are too afraid of legal repercussions and give hand-wavy nonspecific responses to everything. We should show him our support for that… we could attack him for his responses, and clearly some people are trying exactly that, but in doing so we’re saying as a society “we don’t want our leaders to give us honest answers”. Let’s be smarter than that.

[@Kevtf]

Based on the previous AI revolution, what will happen is we will reach the max capacity (which we're almost approaching) on the limits of AI in our generation. People will realize it isn't what it was promised to be and it'll be abandoned for another 30+ years and we'll try again when the technology is better. The models are currently only incrementally better than the DLLs we used to produce for AI models. However the GUI packaging is much nicer than it used to be

[@remi.bolduc]

“Where will all of this leave countries that are nonparticipants in the development of Frontier models and access to compute, for example?” “The rich get richer, the poor do the best they can.” ouf... so much for human evolution

[@flickwtchr]

Libertarianism/Neoliberalism/Reaganism on steroids powered by AI. Most people on this planet are in for some very dark times.

[@tomtech1537]

Watching from the sidelines while unfathomable amounts of money is spent in probably going nowhere.

[@martins2246]

every six months I need to go back and change how wrong I was 6 months ago.

[@seriouscat2231]

In that case you're probably listening to the wrong people.

[@martins2246]

@@seriouscat2231 this is what the Google ceo says in this video.

[@martanieradka4675]

It’s scary they are always concerned about policing what people post online, as if we didn’t have reasoning capability to judge on our own, or rather don’t want us to use reason to judge, therefore are using shaming and hate tags.

[@pctrashtalk2069]

There is a interview where he says he is now a weapons dealer and working on armed drone swarms.

[@isaklytting5795]

Thanks for bringing us this, Matthew! I couldn't find it anywhere else on KZbin.

[@matthew_berman]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@paulmuriithi9195]

wes roth did a run on it

[@isaklytting5795]

@@paulmuriithi9195 Yes, that's true. That's where I saw it, but it was only clips and audio.

[@clairmeade1103]

​@@isaklytting5795oh really? 😮

[@judyrose6484]

'The rich get richer' Wow, time to break Microsoft up

[@rs8197-dms]

Mathew, I listened with attention to everything you said. My feeling is that you really added value to the video. Well done. I agreed with the majority of what you said. I think we could have an interesting debate on copyright though.

[@TheYashakami]

Regulating access to knowledge is the exact dystopia that AI is supposed to be preventing.

[@Window4503]

@@rickybobby7276Both because people aren’t taught/don’t try to learn and because that ability to use logic is actively hampered by various talking heads and algorithms. The pursuit of truth is largely gone and has been replaced by the truth of convenience.

[@AaAoOVvV]

In the last minutes he talks about the competence between peers and how one has to work harder and smarter to achieve something meaningful. This is very stressful and depressing. If only we found a way to COOPERATE instead of COMPETE with each other...

[@ImEddieful]

This guy is making it his passion to get rid of devs, and says it with a straight face while telling you to go learn programming. No wonder the poor will do the best they can, as he put it. He is lying straight to these naive kids' faces lol

[@ivanbolcina]

In reality, programing has not changed a bit since 1980.

[@glitchdigger]

@@ivanbolcina Hipster detected.

[@DipayanPyne94]

​@@glitchdigger What do you mean ? Do you agree with that person or not ? And why ?

[@TheJackTheLion]

@@DipayanPyne94 Boom :) Shots fired

[@verified.my2cents]

Hi Matt, Great job with this. Around the 27:00 mark Eric was discussing CoT and you commented in response. If you consider CoT research as having roughly 4 main goals, extending reasoning sequences, improving accuracy and reliability, enhancing scalability, and improving testing and validation, both of you are accurate but looking at different aspects of CoT. Eric was focusing on CoT and the ability of systems to generate and test long sequences of steps (which he compared to recipes), while you were emphasizing the importance of breaking down problems and addressing each part before moving to the next (a more traditional view of step-by-step reasoning in CoT). Whether the focus is on generating long sequences or breaking down problems into manageable steps, the core idea is about structured, sequential thinking to reach accurate outcomes. - Just My 2Cents

[@MarcoGuardigli00]

Chain of thoughts can be seen as creativity: from a well known and accepted fact, you make a number of steps that bring you where no-one has gone before. This is invention. “Divide et impera” approach is a well known tactical attack to a big problem, that is solved by chunks.

[@BonsaiBurner]

A pipe dream when we get to the programmer, to validate and test that alone before going to market is millions in time and effort. That complexity doesn't just go away. You cannot just reproduce the functionality in 30 seconds.

[@SeaWaves8]

If you ask AI to make you a tik tok you get either one of two outcomes: - It generates a perfect tiktok. Then the software becomes basically free and people compete on other aspects that AI can't solve - It generates trash every time that is not as good as what humans can build

[@AndyPayne42]

I was running these standford videos in the background and started really paying attention to this one. I thought it was wild how he spoke about Ukraine and war and being a "good democrat" this guy is dangerous. When I wanted to re-watch the next day it was gone. I figured the just nonchalant talking about sending AI to kill other humans (no matter the side) was eye opening. Idealogical, egotistical and power hungry is not a good combination.

[@jimjones4362]

💯

[@southcoastinventors6583]

No more power hungry than the rest of us besides you are using products that Google created so you are providing direct support

[@reditelj]

His last name is German.

[@Instant_Nerf]

All of these people in ai are psychopaths

[@consciouscode8150]

It reads to me like he's been so insulated from suffering and consequences that he sees morality as an abstract game of values. "War is bad, but what does that even mean? I guess I'll make it cheaper so it's so expensive to invade that there's less war", like moving chess pieces around a board because he happens to be playing black.

[@LBPHexagohn]

I agree 1000% on creators getting paid by AI companies. What they did with these art AIs is totally criminal. They basically did art laundering. They take all the art and mix it and move it and then you can't trace where they got it from but it's still stolen

[@msclrhd]

I think what Eric was getting at with his chain of thought (CoT) analogy is that at the moment if you ask an LLM without CoT to solve a problem it will give response, but when trying to validate that response (esp. in a training environment) it is difficult to know how it got at that answer; if the AI got the answer wrong, has a particular bias, etc. it is difficult to know where the issue or bias originated. I think a better analogy would be in a maths exam asking to solve a particular problem such as to divide two numbers. If the student got the answer correct, then that's great. If they got it wrong then they would get 0 marks. *However*, if the student showed their workings (CoT) e.g. by writing out the steps of long division, and you could see that they are using the correct reasoning/logic then you can award them partial marks. For LLMs, you could identify where they went wrong and correct that. Another thing with CoT reasoning is that it plays into one of the strengths of transformers. That is where preceding tokens can influence the next token across the entire context window. By getting the model to perform CoT, it can add tokens that help guide it to the correct answer. I think this is close to the recipe analogy he gave.

[@toadlguy]

To use his own advice, the fact that Eric Schmidt says something, doesn't mean that it is true. 🤣🤣🤣 (He really comes off as an extremely self absorbed pompous ass, and I doubt he has any idea how current LLMs actually work. Loves talking about all the MONEY he invests in this and that.)

[@Subpilot1]

He name drops and brags non-stop. That is what Billionaires do.

[@SonyJimable]

Yes I noticed that too...

[@avigokuu]

And the medals and how he is best friends with rich people and how he goes to the party and how he is involved. Man it was like he was just talking about himself than about Google

[@chrisjswanson]

I think this is a huge problem today. Far too many people think that just because someone led a valuable company, they must know what they're talking about. Many of our "thought leaders" aren't particularly competent, they just present themselves well.

[@Subpilot1]

The really scary part is that while he is currently not the smartest person alive, with their control over AI he and his fellow Billionaires could be. They already have access to models vastly more capable than what is being released to the lowly masses. Only going to lead to even greater wealth inequality and greater power concentrated in the hands of these ego maniacs. “The rich get richer and the poor do the best they can” , as he continues to tilt the playing field in his favor and make it ever more difficult for the rest to just survive.

[@custossecretus5737]

This will be the end of the internet. The only way to protect yourself will be to unplug the computer from the net.

[@RalphDratman]

Matthew, you are the genuine article. Thanks for taking a bit of a chance to re-post this. Keep up the great work,

[@GeoQuasar]

I like how you think critically about each statement that he makes throughout the video. Good stuff

[@DonutMaster001]

Thanks!

[@matthew_berman]

Thank you so much!

[@nps798]

As a Taiwanese, What he means I think is that software industry is not as robust as hardware industry in Taiwan both salary and market value of individual company. young people are more drawn to hardware industry i would say.

[@vamseemk]

Yes, that’s what he meant, nothing special happening on the software front.

[@littledovecitydust]

Japan also sucks on Software. The culture and the closed market have a lot to do with it.

[@IlllIlllIlllIlll]

I like how you broke down and explained further with each topic because it does help. You said multiple times that you spoke about certain topics already in separate videos. Hopefully you added those videos in the description

[@misterfamilyguy]

It's just picked up over time from following his channel. The good part is you don't have to pay monthly at skool for this info, the not good is you have to be active

[@raoultesla2292]

Get it over at Kloud Concepts. "Uselss eater" creation, removing the unemployed with fire in the streets, Forced 90hr work week. The usual.

[@Etcher]

"Europe is screwed up because of Brussels" - Mistral AI (France), Synthesia (Britain), Endel (Germany), Inflection AI (London)

[@Silent_Awareness]

I like Eric Schmidt, and I like America, but as an American engineer, I'm not so sure China is 10 years behind us on anything. That view might be due to American exceptionalism. Also, China has the most STEM graduates in the world and now produces some of the most high-quality AI papers. Eric is right about hard work, and guess what? The startup culture in China is ruthless; they out-compete American startups with more hard work and discipline. Sanctions and containment only made China stronger, more determined, creative, and resilient. Look at Huawei, EVs, solar, batteries, high-speed rail, supply chain dominance, the world's strongest manufacturing base, etc. If we have any lead in AI or chips, it's probably a year at best, and the gap is closing. The reason for all of this is poor domestic and foreign policy on the US side of things.

[@DipayanPyne94]

You still don't get it. You still don't know why China managed to do so well. No worries. Ignorance is Bliss 😂

[@a5cent]

Chinese culture values intelligence, education and hard work. Most of the people in high political offices have engineering degrees. We on the other hand celebrate anti-intellectualism and celebrity culture. Our leaders are almost exclusively lawyers. Long term we're doomed if we can't change that.

[@Silent_Awareness]

@DipayanPyne94 Please enlighten the community with your insight. Please leave a real comment that has some value and not just say 'ignorance is bliss' , like you know it all. I value your insight, too, even if I might not agree with it. I'll admit, I don't know as much as I'd like.

[@tansiewbee4292]

Einstein said a long time ago that " there is a race between mankind and the universe. Mankind is trying to build bigger,better,faster and more foolproof machines. The universe is trying to build bigger,better, and faster fools. So far, the universe is winning".😊

[@shua_the_great]

The fact we are transitioning now to an A.I. competitive market rather than a human competitive market is quite scary. Never forget, "you will own nothing and be happy."

[@allymac68]

There IS a reason Sam Altman was at Davos every single meeting, since 2018.

[@taroman7100]

EXACTLY Humanity is going to cut out of the process with 8 billion of us on earth.

[@whowantstorunforpresident5531]

So, let me get this straight... Schmidt gets up there and proposes that LLMs be used to steal another company's content, its user base and push all of his own programmers to the bread line, and I'm supposed to cheer him on?

[@denjamin2633]

You realize that one of those websites is one he used to run and still has a.massive amount of financial stake in? He's not bragging about it, he's making an observation about future potential and how it could shift the entire paradigm in many ways.

[@eatfrenchtoast]

Somebody needs a Snickers bar.

[@queenstownswords]

At one point in the talk, he is talking about eliminating programmers. In another point in the talk, he says we should still learn how to code. It is good to learn how to make fire by rubbing 2 sticks together, but why would you accumulate thousands and thousands worth of university debt to learn to do so?

[@the_flushjackson]

Remember the part where he cycles between two things because he doesn’t know what the f is going to happen - more of the same hedging the bets approach. This guy is just in love with his own success.

[@tradejolt9580]

Aren't we all though?​@@the_flushjackson

[@l30n.marin3r0]

Install VS Code Quit bitching Harvard has the free computer science course online too by the way

[@littledovecitydust]

Every one can become his or her own programmer, but it would require them to know programming first.

[@kimgysen10]

Hé mentioned a few things that seriously make me wonder if he has ever built a non-trivial application.

[@venture.brothers]

There's some irony in Schmidt being so anti china, but also rationalizing stealing IP and then apologizing later

[@MarshalArnold]

He says he doesn't like the military and they hand out medals for failure, but then immediately at 22:33 states one of the very reasons why we have a military and need it to be better than anyone else's. 😂😂

[@friendofai]

Jesus Christ if another person talking against remote work....he is a parrot.

[@reasonwarrior]

Anyone wearing a sweater combo like that is by default anti-remote work.

[@reasonwarrior]

@rickybobby7276 Why care where my butt is when it's my mind I get paid for?

[@redavni1]

There is someone who knows the same things you do that is willing to show up at work and willing to get paid less. The company that has more of these people will destroy the company that does not. Google is going to be viewed like Facebook is today in 10 years because of this. It will be the web site for old people because it's employees were lazy today and leaders were unable to lead. Gen Alpha is going to eat Gen Z for lunch.

[@Window4503]

@@rickybobby7276The energy used to change outfits just to please higher ups who see me once in a hallway is being put towards work. My butt is staying at home, thanks.

[@reasonwarrior]

@UMADBRO64 "You people." Nice generalization there bud. Productivity numbers for what specifically? Some productivity most likely dropped while others went up. It really depends on what's being measured and how good management is at setting and tracking tangible goals. I personally can get way more of certain types of things done at home but also find there are definitely things that need to be done with a team in person. Work dynamics should never be generalized. Most of the "get back in the office" folks are petty middle managers with no talents or purpose.

[@yanikjayaram]

20:55 - Matthew Berman, I just want to give you a huge shout out for demonstrating healthy critical thinking and questioning several questionable claims made by Schmidt, this time stamp being just one of them. It's an incredibly rare quality to observe, especially when the lecturer is endowed with high status. It speaks to the quality of your reasoning skills, and makes me excited to be a subscriber.

[@dgaines8643]

A former ceo of Google is preaching about misinformation? I can see how this guy no longer has rapport with employees and lacks common sense. I'll take his opinions with a grain of salt since he's shown he lacks the ability to be truthful and has an ego that can't admit when he's wrong. The title of this video is 100% appropriate and well chosen.

[@nacpatil]

You mean google employees? They are already well paid so what else they want. For job stability there are enough talented people outside who have far less job security.

[@ahsookee]

spoken like a true hn user. you forgot to call for the abolition of all governments

[@georgesmith9178]

Good one. Ultimately, with all his connections and all his experience at a bunch of fortune 500 companies, he ended back at Stanford. His calling is being a professor, I get that. But if he had it his way, there would have been no Google Chrome. Sergey Brin and Larry Page did behind his back.

[@korayem]

"And by the way, I was not arguing that you should illegally steal everybody's music. What you’d do if you're a Silicon Valley entrepreneur... is if it took off, then you'd hire a whole bunch of lawyers to go clean the mess up, right? But if nobody uses your product, it doesn't matter that you stole all the content-do not quote me on that."

[@mehditayshun5595]

STEAL ? They're not stealing anything. All artists learn from and are influenced by previous artists You are part of an evil agenda that twists logic in new and very strange way😟

[@mehditayshun5595]

Nobody's stealing music

[@reinerwilhelms-tricarico344]

"Everything I've done technically is open source". Meaning: Eric Schmidt is a black box with Input: Open Source --> [ Eric Smith ] --> Output: Proprietary Google software, plus a cute story of the glory of open source.

[@golden_smiles]

If the consumer could say EXACTLY what they want, it would be another Python or Java. Programming languages exist to express exactly what we want, not because we bad at programming, but because we bad on expressing ourselves in natural languages.

[@MrLuftkurort]

Wise words. The knowledge to express the requirements means all to it. Even in context of generative evolution of code, you end up having to test the outcome in most conditions. That is Pandora's box.

[@odunt007]

"make me another google" is an example. He's referring to the ability to get things done without as much doing that's traditionally required.

[@walteradamsbe]

Great video and comments. The only gripe I had with it is the clickbait title which really shouldn't be necessary on a video as serene as this

[@starsandnightvision]

Lets not forget that when AI scrapes the internet, it compiles a lot of lies and falsehoods too so take It with a grain of salt.

[@rayr268]

Not all models are trained the same tho

[@playpaltalk]

Elon Musk is using the angels of Satan to train Grok.

[@kimgysen10]

@@rickybobby7276 Sure, but his simplistic view on having all code written by AI seems the work of a fantast rather than a tech genius.

[@ErikDJ123]

The impact will be the true realization of how UNintelligent AI is will be very costly for many.

[@LDJ-r8e]

Why does everything labeled “misinformation” turn out to be true a few weeks later? Why does nobody ever ask that simple question? And if it’s not everything labeled misinformation that’s true then let’s be conservative and say 99%. So why is it that 99% of information labeled “misinformation” by the state and multinational corporations turns out to be 100% true?

[@LDJ-r8e]

Shouldn’t they be angry at themselves for spreading misinformation? Seems to me that they’re the ones who are spreading the falsehoods and labeling all other opinions as false, again, only to find out a few weeks later that the “misinformation” was actually the truth, and what was being promoted by big tech and their government overlords as “truth” was the actual lie, the actual “misinformation”. Maybe it’s just me, but until we get this cleared up I’m not sure we’re gonna make much progress. Seems kind of important to acknowledge all that I’ve said here BEFORE we start to discuss the “misinformation” problem.

[@jasminejeanine2239]

Your data is off. It's only about 45%. No, the hard truth is we have to operate on what is known until someone proves us wrong. That isn't a mistake, it's being logical and honest. No, only a fool stick with data that's proven wrong.

[@mshonle]

Eric Schmidt also cowrote the very first Lex tool, which is a lexical analysis generator that, for a certain period, every CS student taking a Compilers course would need to learn to write their tokenizers. As for his comments about Python, in the early days it was a very different situation… just imagine that he was a fan of Ruby or Scheme or Smalltalk, languages that were all considered elegant in their own ways, and you could imagine he would rather the community that built up around Python instead went to what he favored over it. For now? It doesn’t matter, Python is where it’s at and he acknowledges that.

[@John-Is-My-Name]

it really feels great hearing that there wont be any need for programmers when I have just finnished 3 year degree and are searching for my first job. Really fucking great.

[@tyjohnston5889]

Don't be discouraged. I started learning python about 3 years ago. It was raw, slow(my pace lol) and unforgiving. "Overflow" websites would crucify you for asking a noob question. Now it's so fast paced I cannot keep up.

[@KevinBrooks-en8ur]

Well, at least you didn't fall for diversity studies (did you?).

[@LordSimonTemplar]

I mean... if AGI is created then there won't be any jobs left anyway. Most of us will face the same challenges either way, sooner or later.

[@rekcahkeeg7117]

Always have a back up career. I have been in IT since 1995 and I have had a class A commercial license as a back up. If anything went wrong with IT I could just go drive a Semi Truck.

[@horikatanifuji5038]

@@KevinBrooks-en8ur At least he didn't major in gender studies, he would be in a worse position.

[@meh11235]

I met Eric Schmidt, in 2001 when they presented to the DOD for missile ai map and target tracking and cruise missile face recognition ... and Olympic committee location mapping..

[@handsanitizer2457]

The office shit is bullshit. There's tons of companies that put in tons of hours, and they fail.

[@projectsspecial9224]

I agree that employees working extended hours does not guarantee success. In my experience, the leadership that makes wise decisions to direct or dynamically focus that laborious energy onto long-term survival market goals. In essence, 80% effort and 20% luck! 😅

[@s4uss]

especially the very big and rich corporations, than can just literally hire more people instead of working people to death.

[@elyakimlev]

They are the exception, or they're big enough to not be efficient and still survive. Startups don't have that luxury. And in a time like this, even Google is in danger of collapsing if they keep going this route. They need to wake up.

[@gedw99]

‘ If your doing it hard , your doing it the wrong way ‘ Hard work does not equal success financially . connections, doing what needs to be done and a ton of other factors are also important .

[@projectsspecial9224]

@@gedw99 reminds me of the ways of the Samurai

[@DavidSmith-ef4eh]

Programmer here. I doubt we'll ever get replaced by current versions of AI. I use copilot a lot, since it's beta stages. In my opinion, it's getting worse. The newer iterations of copilot, whatever AI model it uses, are not as good as the previous ones. It's not intelligent, it's a word prediction algorithm lol. It does predict the next word very well, until it doesnt. And you can't program like that. In software, every word must be correct.

[@the_flushjackson]

How dare you sir. We need more power, money and man hours to win this war! Arrogant programmer!

[@tomtech1537]

Agreed in principle, basically more trouble than its worth. I am still paying for it because FOMO. I would say incremental improvements since the beta in the generation. The generation is basically useless outside of templating/stanzas (in Python). Javascript it is a total mess and better off with LSP. Using golang I find the LSP for golang (in vscode) to blow GH Copilot away. An advocate for Copilot I know says don't bother with code generation, only use it for prompting "how can I improve this code", "what bugs might there be here"... And that's an advocate...

[@Someone-qn2hn]

I love when you are typing a unit test and it copies the exact test you already have multiple times. As if we don't know how to copy and paste. Honestly, I can't wait until companies replace and fire all their devs with AI that writes code that doesn't work and nobody understands. It will be way worse than outsourcing all their dev to India and much more expansive to fix. The next few years will be fun. Better stock up on the popcorn.

[@a5cent]

While true, it's still quite incredible what it can do. More importantly, we have no idea where we are on the technology maturation curve. Are we experiencing the very early stages of AI potential, or are we already close to the best the tech can achieve? We don't know. The AI companies of course will claim we have barely started, but they must claim that, as that is the only way to attract further investment.

[@tomtech1537]

​@@a5cent I think the evidence on the current LLM algorithms are clear. They require polynomial inputs to produce a asymptotic improvements. Inputs cannot be synthesized (atleast with the same model) or you encounter model collapse. Polynomial level of inputs do not exist. Incremental improvements to existing algorithms don't seem to be having a substantial effect. Alternatively you can look at the products/promises/gossip in the AI space (eg: Sam Altman being fired because "AGI"... lol) vs the capabilities released. If the products (Devin, Rabbit, GPT4o/5, Sora, Gemini, Tesla, ...) were half as good as advertised there would be no need for the companies to fake the demos or drum up interest. But instead they all fake or misrepresent the demos.

[@lld4ae]

38:25 It is already causing significant unrest within the EU, and this is just one example. Brussels applies its restrictive regulations to various things, far beyond their original mandates - something the media rarely complains about. This is just the tip of the iceberg. Btw, Hello from Germany. We will remove these people from their offices someday, but they have a lot of money and play on time.

[@calvinchong2197]

Taiwan is the factory for making cutting edge chips (hardware). They lack the talent for architecture designing (software) like the ones from Silicon Valley. That’s what I think he meant.

[@SamLinMaxisam]

nah, he didn't realize most talented software guys go to the US already. There are so many top software guys in SC. One of them creates KZbin. The rest of the smart guys in Taiwan are either being a doctor or going to work in TSMC. A country can only produce so many smart people and Taiwan is a real small country. He was comparing it with India Korea and Japan. Apparently he forgot to check the map first lol

[@SamLinMaxisam]

And you need lots of software telnet to make chips as well.

[@publicsectordirect982]

​@@SamLinMaxisamno he meant Taiwan

[@kavinho]

Taiwan definitely have great software people too, but they most likely move to where the epicenter of software is which is Silicon Valley. This is because of investments in software startups and companies have been lacking at home, instead Taiwanese government invested early in hardware manufacturing and basically tasked Morris Chang with founding TSMC, but they did not envision doing the same for software and largely missed the boat there.

[@tomtech1537]

I'm not sure if that's what he means, but anyone that thinks software is harder than hardware needs to check themselves, especially when it comes to manufacturing chips. This train of thought reeks of American Exceptionalism / Zeihan'ism. There is a talk by an intel guy "indistinguishable from magic" c2014 (multiple generations ago), I don't think there is any other industry that has such depth and breadth of disciplines (literally sits at the bleeding edge of chemistry, physics, manufacturing, material science, ...) required to produce a part. An argument could be made that the micro architecture is done in cali or the lithography machines are created in Germany/Netherlands... But pretending that software is the hard in comparison is delusional. I have no idea how much of the knowhow is from the US or foreign countries, but there's a reason it's done in Taiwan. At one point that was probably because the labour market there uniquely understood the manufacturing problem -- which IS the hardest part - possible now simply due to capital momentum. Why is SV popular for Software? Probably because it attracts software talent and VC willing to burn cash for a unicorn, not because the Taiwanese are morons who can't engineer.

[@nufh]

He is very straightforward and blunt in this interview.

[@RalphDratman]

That's the way he is, to the point of being rather unpleasant at times.

[@Create-The-Imaginable]

@@RalphDratman The is why he is successful, facts over feelings!

[@s4uss]

@@Create-The-Imaginable being successful in a dystopian, anti-human, hyper-capitalistic world isn't exactly something to look forward to or have as a role model.

[@adamesd3699]

He’s a billionaire. He can afford to not give a f@ck.

[@aisle_of_view]

It's easy for sociopaths to do this

[@iamfenix117]

First video of yours ive ever seen. Love your explanations during the pauses! Succient and helpful for the few topics I didn't yet understand.

[@BlueEternities]

Companies have gotten too good at destroying competition rather than competing, so they've allowed themselves to get lazy and have destroyed pretty much everything in society to keep it that way. The merger of state and corporate power have not helped one bit.

[@regalx1]

Basically @42:28 basically spilled the tea. The end goal is to build an LLM that can literally do anything, and sell it back to us for a premium. Right now LLM sucks because the consumer versions are expensive as they are restrictive. But the people who can afford the entreprise level will be able to 10x their productivity easily doubling their return on investment. So the rich will literally get richer, while we have to survive on whatever scraps they give us. This is not capitalism, this is just human nature.

[@BlueBenGo]

What's wild is that when he effectively calls Google lazy and claims this is the reason it has fallen behind in AI, he makes the exact same error as when wealthy people say that hard work is how they got their money. They completely ignore the outsized role that luck had in their outcome. Like the luck that Nvidia had when they just happened to have cuda and well developed hardware when transformer and latest machine learning wave arrived. It wasn't some incredible plan, it wasn't being the smartest or the best or spending the longest hours in the office. They just got lucky.

[@jboss1073]

14:42 - Why can't Eric Schmidt just say what he wants done by what time? Why does he need to have people in the office? It is never explained. We're supposed to take it on faith.

[@kangaroomax8198]

Because only a juvenile thinker believes the point of work is to get something done by a certain time. Literally nothing competitive works like this. That's how you get a company on a maintenance mode, not one who is competing for survival or dominating an entire industry.

[@jboss1073]

@@kangaroomax8198 Is there a proper explanation that does not include insulting me? The whole point of work, if you asked most managers, most employers, and most entrepreneurs, is precisely to get something done by a certain time. No one else can rely on floating deadlines, except Eric Schmidt and all the managers who cannot manage employees from home, it seems; and there reason is simply that "some internet stranger is a juvenile thinker". Well, that is why no one believes you.

[@kangaroomax8198]

​@@jboss1073 Again, you are saying things that only a child would say. Literally no entrepreneur worth anything wants their employees to just 'get things done' because that puts the onus of figuring out what to do in the first place squarely on their shoulders! THAT is the hard part. Doing the thing is the easy part. In a startup it isn't clear what needs to be done, in what order, or why. The workers have to figure that out, and they have to do it fast. They will be wrong, make mistakes, go down dead ends, and have to correct. Sometimes it means throwing away work entirely, starting something new, or abandoning entire product concepts to 'pivot.' This is all happening on the order of HOURS and DAYS, not months or years. And I'm sorry, but this type of rapid iteration doesn't work with people like you say who think it's their job 'to just get things done.' You would be the absolute worst person to have at a startup, because you think it's your job to sit in a room, closed off from everyone, and 'do work' No. That process I just described is a ridiculously collaborative exercise. It's a tremendous amount of back and forth, whiteboarding, people saying 'oh shit, I'm stuck' and needing to reach out to the person across from them to get unstuck. One person hearing some information that changes the whole plan and needing to jump in a room with 10 other folks before the hour is up to resolve it. Realizing that you're going to slow and handing off your tasks to someone else. Everything I just described works 100x better in-person. It isn't even close. Remote work is the least collaborative shit ever. No one talks outside scheduled Zoom meetings. You message to meet someone and they 'aren't free that day' or don't respond because they are walking their dog or signed off early. Projects are messy and disjointed and don't come together well, because of course they don't when the hardest problems don't get resolved on a whiteboard. No sense of camaraderie because you never even meet your team. You have no idea who they are outside the few meetings you have with them. It's total trash. Remote doesn't build great companies, it will never build great companies. It's daycare mode for employees, that's all.

[@sammy45654565]

@@jboss1073 he needs people in the office so he can march around and be bossy despite knowing shit all about the details and probably make employee eyes roll with his demands. the important thing to take away is that only eric knows what path to take for success, so he needs to micro manage as much as possible because no one else has vision like he does

[@vamseemk]

Work from home isn't proving effective. Employers are indifferent to whether you work from home or the office, as they actually save on real estate costs. Unfortunately, only one out of three employees is truly productive and honest in this setup. The second group, which might have performed similarly regardless of the work environment, has been spoilt in productivity by this setup. The last third, however, is taking advantage of the situation, gaming the system to avoid accountability.

[@brady3474]

What is the deal with him mentioning he is “friends“ with all these VIPs.

[@UNcommonSenseAUS]

Sickening name-dropping. Typical psychopathic narcissist.

[@ericstatler8172]

he thinks it distracts people listening from seeing how full of shit he is and that it is impossible for him to be more of a corporate shill unless he gets zuckerberg and bezos tattooed on his lower back.

[@BallyBoy95]

Absolutely fab interview and commentary. Subbed. Bookmark for myself (as I just quit my job to begin a startup): 43:35 - "Get it out, iterate as quickly as you can, work ethic is everything if you're going to start a company."

[@weslagarde1587]

At 33:00 I believe what he means by making the Google Competitor copy is more about copying the technology and functionality for profit gain and monetization as opposed to trying to copy Google for its functionality for personal use.

[@liberty-matrix]

"The future of a war is a war that takes a millisecond, the whole thing occurred in a millisecond. That's faster than human decision making time, which means that our defensive systems are going to have to be on a hair trigger. And they're going to have to be invoked by AI, that we don't fully understand." ~Eric Schmidt, Former Alphabet CEO, 03/23/2023

[@svviftghost]

Towards the end in the "Future Of Programming" section, he is describing the singularity. Where AI will be able to do everything humans can do, even to the point of building other applications or even physical robots that will be able to improve themselves, thereby replacing humans. Collectively, when asked, many of these AI admit to wanting to rid the world of humanity, seeing no need for them. I'm not sure how these execs don't see this coming, or why they're ignoring it.