Former Prime Minister Jim Bolger on co-governance

Former Prime Minister Jim Bolger talks to Sean Plunket about co-governance.
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[@funkiwikid6106]

Ask the Prime Minister ... hahaha ... she hasn't told the truth from the day she took power. OK Jim, we'll ask her in Te reo, then less than 1% of the population will understand and none of the rest of the world will know either. Dump Te reo from school and teach the 3 R's to bring our education level back from the bottom. A second language is a good idea, but only when it has relevance to the student's future ... Te reo for maori if they want, sure, but not for everyone as it's another wedge driving into the co-governance racial divide that must be dumped before it destroys what is left of New Zealand.

[@antonoka]

History Lesson kzbin.info/www/bejne/j3iXlJ54otmNgZo

[@iainfenwick2433]

When 40% of adults can't read or do maths at a functional level and that's an old statistics, isn't it time to look at the whole education system and treat it for what it really is, a babysitting service and a shocking one at that. The statistics are even worse now 2% of decile 1 level one passed writing.

[@adriandocherty778]

Buddy you’re the only one that sounds like he’s got a wedge up his arse about Maori and te reo? U don’t have to learn it but others mite want to and that’s ok. If Maori and kids can learn it🤷🏽 why do u hate Maori ma bro. We aren’t all savages. We have jobs and pay taxes too!! Be safe

[@serenasmith26]

They don't tell us what co-governance is because it isn't about a "partnership", it's about putting Maori in control of everything, just see what is happening with the Health System. I tried to ring the hospital yesterday, I couldn't get through, the only thing they got right is the Te Reo greeting on the voice message!

[@elizabethbradley4301]

With the priority not being on health for everyone and empowering all NZers into these societies but actively berating them and encouraging "immigrants", that's what happens to our health infrastructures, they break down due to less input from all nzers so all of our experiences and understandings of nz is ignored. Nzers would be the best suited to care for other nzers because we actually have a strong connection and love for each other and commonalities of being born here together for generations. A group of people with no understanding of the realities of managing an essential service in NZ and the real priorities which was never race in any case for a good reason, it was wasting time and not creating opportunities for training nurses in NZ and being lazy, wasting money on lying to people in these essential services because they are immigrants and are easy to lie to and to destroy all our good truths in NZ and just relying on "immigrants" has been really lazy, really stupid and not very supportive of nzers lives. They selfishly turned an essential service that is there for a very important reason and nzers tax money is being diluted and creating half assed institutions for literally everyone all because of ego

[@serenasmith26]

@@elizabethbradley4301 Immigrants also have different standards to Kiwis, some of them are very dirty and don't care about doing their job properly.

[@elizabethbradley4301]

@@serenasmith26 my grandmother has home cleaners help her each week because we can't always help as to everyone having full time work and she says that she find the best ones are either Tongan or African and one scottish girl. I think it's also very mismanaged so she and them often have no idea where they are driving to each week. The rest that aren't so great literally only spend 20 minutes cleaning her entire unit and that really bugs her and the rest of us as we see its still dirty as she was soooo clean her whole life, like hard-core housewife with routine cleaning of everything with 4 kids and making her husband breakfast every morning and they grew their own food and people in the neighbourhoods shared home grown food, now everything is like a concrete slum compared to before amd i looked and the population actually decreases and its just our homes are empty and hoarded leaving no homes for nzers becausr the govt keeps outbidding people with the unrealistic house price they created for a nz market by having "overseas investors" that dont live here, so they had to build more and we got the sh1tty townhouses as a replacement for generations of hard work. It's a shame that these values weren't appreciated and attention to detail through families like ours weren't encouraged more and were so ignored and berated and all it did was mean that all nz life styles and standards fell immensely after all their efforts. I was in South Auckland and that was meant to be the poor area and seeing what it looks like now, we all made it seem like ponsonby just because they mowed their lawns, had their homes painted and had pride in their work and they were all kiwis that had been there for generations and all shared the same values even though they were all from different countries, even the immigrants in the 80s appreciated the life and dudnt cover everything in concrete and had to try really hard to get into nz and so they appreciated it more and respected the values more. My grandfather after he fought in the war was a gardener for the auckland airport and the place was glowing in flowers, now it's lazy people covering things in stone and flax just because it's native and easy to maintain. It's all just an excuse to do less for more money and it's just so pathetic, it's the same with the hard rubbish on the side of the road, that was great for poorer families to find options like ours, my parents got old furniture because they couldn't afford it and would sand it down and paint them for us. It was actually a bit of a tradition for us to go around each year to try and find useful things for our house that other people didn't want. They've literally kept removing all the empathy, independence, pride in hard work and joy out of the country and keep replacing it boredom, complacency and whining and obsessing over what fun things they can take from poor people next like lotto or what ways they can make nz more boring lol

[@Sequoia690]

All the virtue signalling wank we never needed

[@TheOne-er7nk]

@@serenasmith26 "different standards to Kiwis"... To the educated European immigrants, Kiwis themselves are a complete joke. From how you operate, to the "housing" you live in and pay for... animals. You are a 2nd world country... So please don't talk down about the "Immigrants". White Kiwis are just one step above the dirty "Immigrants" in 1st world people's eyes. When you arrive in the country, it's such a shock to see how you live and operate.... Everything has to get done 4 times, just to get it done once.... It's almost as though, everyone is drunk and/or hungover all the time... The multi-generational alcoholism leads to a high dependency on Happy tablets. Useless Europeans come here and immediately go up a level or two in comparision to a Kiwi.

[@davidbuck5864]

There is no such thing as this 'partnership'. That was a construct by an activist judge. The Treaty says nothing about a partnership, co-governance, or principles.

[@speeddemon9555]

te reo is a dead language, try using it anywhere else in the world, we would be better off learning a Chinese language, the direction this government is taking us we will need it, Neddy and Barcode have to go !!

[@t.t6191]

How about everyone just learn what they want too ffs. Only N.Z would be this ridiculous about languages. Most primary schools in Australia already learn a language and have been for over 20 years because they know the benefits to the brain. Who cares what language it is, it's good exercise for the brain🤦‍♀️

[@adriandocherty778]

Not even bro. It’s being taught and on the rise. I hear being used in Oz. Would you rather learn mandarin or Cantonese? Nothing wrong with that bro?? China be running things soon n co-governance be the least of your worries!!🤣😂

[@lesterwyoung]

Bolger says that in Ireland "everybody" is speaking their version of Gaelic. Nonsense! It would be difficult to hear Irish outside the Gaeltachta. He was very evasive throughout this interview. Disappointing.

[@neilstuarr2278]

Why force crap like this on the population

[@emmanuelfore2938]

@@neilstuarr2278 dont like it go live in england

[@elizabethbradley4301]

@@emmanuelfore2938 people at one point that were white spoke maori, my grandfather who is irish/english nzers spoke maori, however it is the hate and disrespect towards a white looking person in nz and supporting actual racists in our communities over the past 40 years and lies about all our ancestors to take all nzers money, including maori and people getting beaten for speaking maori that has been the true demise of the maori language

[@Anonymous-c4p]

@@emmanuelfore2938 like that would make a difference! 🤷‍♂️

[@Anonymous-c4p]

Buldger probably got his Irish intel from Mallard🦆

[@ianandrews6890]

The Bolger government established what they called a $1 billion "fiscal envelope" from which all Treaty settlements would be paid . That envelope has become a large box .

[@sytharnia1717]

yep .. but is wasn't Jims fault .. this is why things need to be locked in for the good of all kiwis (not just maori)

[@djhemirukahemisphere8893]

A billion? Not much to gain control of a country. Britain took trillions from India. Taken trillions IN Australia and want to give back 1 billion to Maori. What would that provide? 100 bucks for every Maori descendant?

[@masksarelies391]

@@djhemirukahemisphere8893 150k identify as maori. If it were to be "handed out" as you say, that 150k would suddenly become 5 million. However, even rudimentary maths still makes that $200 each. But if not everyone claims maori heritage, this means $6700 each. Not a poke in the eye with a sharpened stick.

[@1987sfinest]

I thought adern had a degree in communication,all she seem,s to communicate is dishonesty.

[@nevillegrowcott1824]

You could ask our Prime Minister, What is co governance? she wouldn't know, or you could ask her about ten times and you would get ten different answers!

[@andrewteirney5112]

Trade Mark ©️ WEF order Just Sin Jah is only a puppet

[@maidaursuladawn44glasgow3]

Thank you Mr Bolger such good common sense and clarity do wish we still had him at the helm

[@SMD2308]

Oh to have that reasonableness of Bolger at the top of NZ politics today! Sigh!

[@pdppdp3854]

amazing insight and wisdom exhibited by Former priminister Jim Bolger!!! God bless his heart and soul!!

[@yvonneboden-jones8334]

2000 should have been a line where all kiwis ie born, citizens (allowed in for their worth to the country) were ALL kiwis! No race, religion, colour..just kiwis..equal ❣

[@adriandocherty778]

That was never gonna happen??

[@kevintreweek7014]

Totally agree with you Yvonne. If your a born New Zealander or even a long term immigrant to NZ. Then we should all have exactly the same rights, schooling, healthcare, courts etc. None of this if your a certain race, you deserve priority over others and so forth. The only way New Zealand is EVER going to be an awesome country like we supposively want. (Well most of us do) is to have equality in everything. Not by saying “I should be in this job because of my race” but by choosing who is right for the job via qualifications that that person has spent their time in life so far earning. Most of the complainers in NZ tend to be the people that have never tried to get anywhere. By either to much drinking or to much couch time learning absolutely nothing. But then complaining that they have it bad in life here in NZ. How about those people getting off their backsides and actually try learning new skills to help them grow in spirit and in their pay checks instead do the constant complaining about their low lifestyle they have. Myself and my wife both worked full time or whole lives and even then only brought our first house in our mid 40’s. No inheritances, no bonus wins on lotto etc. It was just plain work hard for what you want in life. Spend less on the bad stuff going into your body that you only piss out later for no gain. Now I’m in my 50’s with a fee hold house “Mainly due to selling our old house and down sizing” but hey….. living proof that it can be done.

[@js9273]

Are you a bird? Or fruit? I'm certainly not. New Zealander of the European variety - and proud of my British heritage.

[@stephaniehunter7045]

I think Jim nailed it when he said "the public wouldn't like what they (the Government) mean" by co-governance and so therefore they don't talk about it!

[@masksarelies391]

It has permeated public servant mentality so bad that they get abusive towards those who do not buy into the narratives.

[@jeebs6]

We are now three weeks out from the election and we STILL don't know what co-governance means....!!

[@t.t6191]

Exactly, that's it. What is co governance? What does that mean? What will happen? Genuine questions.

[@les8518]

Apartheid

[@shauntempley9757]

That is one people deciding for everyone. This is two peoples making the decisions. How can you mix up that fact?@@les8518

[@jeffreywilliams7648]

Your interview. Brown. National. Mahuta. Not related. However. Mahuta. An embarrassment to our country.Yes New Zealand. International more so. Corruption breeds corruption. Understandable. One only need look at her leader.

[@waynemckenzie2757]

How come it says there are 17 comments on here but only 12 are showing looks like sensoring is rampant ??

[@rebeccasloan7298]

I have noticed that a lot on here.

[@chriskiwi2601]

I think Jim Bolger is losing the plot in regards to the teaching Maori at primary school. Why? Maori are not indigenous.

[@elizabethbradley4301]

In my school 20 years they had a maori language class, its not an abnormal thing so i dont know why people are acting like this is so weird and the harsh but brutal reality is even the british maori kids didn't want to go because surprise surprise they weren't just maori and like many other kids didn't enjoy school, our schools were being segregated racially in hand outs so that lost a lot of respect for these people including maori that don't want to see their white families treated as 2nd class citizens. The reality is even when a white kid was interested in learning maori, other maori kids would bully them and call them try hard pakehas so that's the problem there. This culture of people which was once inclusive and had brains and logic have really gone downhill and turned basically into a culture of white hating racists which a lot of maori don't want to be a part of

[@chriskiwi2601]

@@elizabethbradley4301 Thank you for your reply Elizabeth. Sadly this government has in my opinion created a racial divide and a small minority of Maori activists have seized the opportunity to act on it. My mother-in-law went to school in the far north in the 1930s. Interestingly, only Maori women who held a certain level of respect within Maoridom were entitled to have a moko. Things creep in over time, changes take place, perhaps conveniently and the truth is lost.

[@elizabethbradley4301]

@@chriskiwi2601 it's crazy because I always knew that about the moko being for distinguished maori and then out of no where it's like defense mechanism for a white maori that won't stand up for their own ancestors because they've literally been turned against their own families and they are literally acting as though nzers are ignorant about maori culture when they arent, if anything they are ignorant about their british cultures and histories and contributions. My family were poor and were consisting of maori and nz people descended of colonials and war vets and both maori and british nzers would be very clear to stay clear of the extreme racist maori so you should have seen the absolute horror when they entered our govts and started saying that all white people in nz, including poor ones were rich and oppressing maori in which these were their families. And on top of that everyone just f'n went along with it after protesting apartheid, what a joke. So a whole lot of mixed race kids and their families are now being berated at schools, segregated by skin colour and race and racism is just running rampant with no accountability to kids yelling pakeha and palangi, it was nasty bullsh1t, sometimes I wonder if I would preferred caning than this messed up garbage they created. Literally no other nz govts including colonial ones created policies with unfair treatment because the govt used to actually follow the treaty based off what it was meant for and its equal treatment to all people. I'm starting to think the treaty was there to protect the settlers and their families more than the maori.

[@t.t6191]

Maori were here before British. Fact. Both parties signed the Treaty of Waitangi. Fact. That's where we're at. Nevermind the ancient lost civilization of Graham Hancock. Yes his stuff is interesting but nothing to do with where we're at in History.

[@antonoka]

Maori are not indigenous? If I had a dollar for every time I hear this? Some people really have to research history, and Im not just taking about "Skeletons in the Cupboard". How about people research Maori recorded documented history than relying on mainstream.

[@wairoa55]

There are NO more Maori, they are either part Maori of mixed race...

[@Stuffynes]

Hmmm

[@Stuffynes]

I think this is probably just an argument around the definition of Māori. I’m confident that a lot of mixed race Māori will just consider themselves Maori. Interestingly enough, according to 2018 census data, 45% of Maori belong to a single ethnic group.

[@torqingheads]

Upoke is the term for Maori slaves. They were about 80% of the population prior to the Europeans. They were the primary source of protein in what was an horrific degeneration of Polynesian society into rampart structural cannibalism - a period of horror that lasted some 500 years until they were rescued by the European. The Maori had come with the original Polynesian caste structure of royals and bonded commoners after being outcast and set adrift on rafts to end up stranded in NZ. Within a recorded period of about 8 generations this then degenerated into 9 different language groups ( no common language) and a horrific two tier ethnically and racially based caste structure. - Ariki / from the original royal elite - these were documented and painted or drawn as lighter to white skinned, wiry, smaller boned, fine featured, thin nose, thin lipped, straight hair, anxious, aggressive cannibalistic ruling class. Upoke / from the original bonded commoners (such bonding or serfdom broke down in NZ as land was unconstrained) and slaves. Upoke or poke was used in conjunction with Kuku or Kiko ie a Upoke Kiko was slave flesh - or else poke singular or pokes group). The Upoke slaves were the 'wealth' of the Maoris and raiding and capturing other clans and tribes Upoke was the primary industry of the Maoris. These Upoke were dark skinned, larger limbed, thick lipped, flat nosed, curly haired, easily fattened, low IQ and sedentary. The settlements of the Maoris (Pa's) were in valley passes where they could anticipate attack from the sea and run into the bush behind. A Pa's very design is as a cannibal storage camp of humans as slave eating flesh with perimeters controlling access and confining the slaves. Have a good look at the original designs of the Pa's and what their real purpose was. Upoke females were normally killed and eaten at birth but on arrival of the Europeans -( trade was for Upoke boiled male heads carved with European arabesques eg 'Maori Moko designs - all European) but with a shortage of that & the trade being policed - the Maori Ariki turned to selling young Upoke slave girls to the sailors and settlers for guns. Often as records show, the Ariki would line up the young Upoke on the beach or field and then tell the Europeans they would all be slaughtered and eaten unless the European met their demands. As such the European settlements were flooded with Upoke slaves, mainly young females being the demand. The Europeans bred with these slave females gave immunity to the mixed race offspring disease such as measles & flu that full blood Maori did not have. Again this is subject to much record (1880 onwards) about the 'revitalization' and out breeding of the Maori being their only path of survival / there was much concern the Maori would become extinct so all Europeans & Maori were much focused on such outbreeding to ensure that a trace of Maori may exist in the future.By 1903 there were no Ariki left and only 14 very old full blood Upoke. The last full blood died in 1944 - as reported by the minister of Maori affairs much later to the NZ parliament. The marked differences between the Ariki and the slave caste were much commented on, discussed and captured in paintings & portraits. Almost all Maori today would be offspring of Europeans & Upoke slaves - the filters of inter Maori fratricide between the Ariki clans & disease acted as an filter to remove both Ariki and full bloods. "A Savage Country" Professor Paul Moon' This Horrid Practice' - Professor Paul Moon, 'Behind The Tattooed Face' - Heretaunga Pat Baker, 'Anthropology In The South Seas' - H D Skinner

[@adriandocherty778]

Misdirection doesn’t really work when Europeans were already travelling the world for the trading and shipping of slaves. They still do it to this day says it all??🤷🏽

[@J.Smith-rc6wh]

some common sense from someone who has been there, great interview and thank you Mr Bolger

[@magamike1800]

99% of us dont speak tereo so we should all learn it because learning Maths is not important.

[@Anonymous-c4p]

We have a fair idea how that will bode for our society aye Mike! 😕

[@magamike1800]

@@Anonymous-c4p I dont know anything about Jim Bolger. But hearing him say that makes me think he is an idiot.

[@loop1479]

But we have 200 genders to choose from

[@deanwitt7903]

Co governance simply means giving special privileges and rights to Maori even though they are minority . This inclusiveness and accomodating maori nonsense has just gone to far .

[@adriandocherty778]

How the hell did u cram all that in to co-governance?? That’s the English language for you!!😂🤣

[@LordOden1]

Let’s ask the liars, good idea.

[@SopwithTheCamel]

James Bolger. I, I, I, Me, Me, Me. I have zero time for adern, who like Bolger is a PM created by Winston Peters. But Bolger is Mr Waffle who loves himself.

[@user-oo4zo8yy5u]

Co-governance is increasingly being applied across various sectors, from environmental management to education and healthcare, to create more inclusive, equitable, and sustainable practices. These examples illustrate the potential for successful co-governance arrangements that respect and integrate Indigenous perspectives, contributing to the reconciliation of historical injustices and fostering mutual benefits.

[@whatthe6532]

Some good questions there Sean

[@craftygeezer5727]

Mandated percentage of governance sounds like a recipe for "What is good for me is not good for thee"

[@yvonneboden-jones8334]

Can the PM hold a conversation in te reo or just read paragraphs when the press is there?

[@realistically-r7g]

Nothing wrong with English language being taught in primary,everyone learning Te Reo?,more crap from an ex Prime Minister,

[@grevis101]

Jim Bolger picked the perfect words for our government during that interview, propose vs impose

[@accessaryman]

when you look at the history leading up to the treaty, you understand why the maori asked , and agreed to the treaty. the first article states ; The Chiefs of the Confederation of the United Tribes of New Zealand and the separate and independent Chiefs who have not become members of the Confederation cede to Her Majesty the Queen of England absolutely and without reservation all the rights and powers of Sovereignty which the said Confederation or Individual Chiefs respectively exercise or possess, or may be supposed to exercise or to possess over their respective Territories as the sole sovereigns thereof. article 2 ; Her Majesty the Queen of England confirms and guarantees to the Chiefs and Tribes of New Zealand and to the respective families and individuals thereof the full exclusive and undisturbed possession of their Lands and Estates Forests Fisheries and other properties which they may collectively or individually possess so long as it is their wish and desire to retain the same in their possession; but the Chiefs of the United Tribes and the individual Chiefs yield to Her Majesty the exclusive right of Preemption over such lands as the proprietors thereof may be disposed to alienate at such prices as may be agreed upon between the respective Proprietors and persons appointed by Her Majesty to treat with them in that behalf. no where in the treaty doe s it state anything about co governance, the understanding was that the lands Maori retained and hadn't sold off, they could do with what hey wanted, they were expected to be absorbed into western society and be a part of the new country, this modern day interpretations are far off what the treaty was intended for, and needs to stop, Maori haven't been treated badly, they have received more than the European new Zealanders , and really don't have anything to complain about, they have all the same rights as everyone who lives here.

[@adriandocherty778]

Gaarmon bro. That’s all in English. 🤦🏽‍♀️ brake down the translation for us please mr linguistics engineer?

[@Quentin-br5kl]

belony!!tell me any race or people's in history that in two days all decided to think in one mind and decided to hand their country or lands over to someone theve never met. you should interperate the treaty which was actually signed not the one that wasn't. cmu

[@lindac8237]

I don’t agree with Bolger. Thank Goodness he’s no longer PM. He talks like a Labour politician.

[@robertmiller2173]

I liked Bolger; But the this co governance needs to be asked the "What the does this end up being!"Jacinda was to gutless to answer this question! As is the Government to this day!

[@masksarelies391]

It'll never be 50/50. While 50% is guaranteed to be maori, the other 50% could quite well be maori also as there is no guarantee they be white, green, yellow or otherwise. Especially with the vast majority of committes and governing bodies appointed by ministers of the crown.

[@elvista1040]

Only elected people should govern the country

[@loop1479]

I think that needs to be defined more, "elected by the the nations citizens that choose to vote", otherwise we'll end up with the divisive government voting a minority, excluding the majority, as they have done

[@whatthe6532]

Fortunately we can ditch the Racist Labour party on 14 October.

[@rorigiles1323]

Great point about a partnership Sean.

[@MsHburnett]

Jim looks well.

[@alistairmunro4670]

The missing element in all this discussion is an examination of the impact , relevance and ultimate "destination" of New Zealand's accession (under National) to the UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples and its associated definitions, in the New Zealand context. That would be something worth following up on The Platform.

[@wairoa55]

Maori are NOT indigenous. The definition is "A culture 100% developed in the country of living, ie Aboriginal , PNG Highlanders, Maori came from Hawaii and brought their culture with them.

[@alistairmunro4670]

@@wairoa55 Hello Lawrence, Do you mean Hawaii or Hawaiki?

[@standbytogo123]

@@alistairmunro4670 Well they came from somewhere else to NZ just like most people back in the day, they just caught an earlier boat thats all.

[@alistairmunro4670]

@@standbytogo123??

[@adriandocherty778]

@@wairoa55aye?? Not ow bro. The thing us falas have learndid is. U have to actually tell us who is indigenous then and why? How do you know so much but you may not be as smart as you think?!🤷🏽

[@basilwatson1]

Wasn't he the one that signed us up to the 1991 Rio climate accord without asking?

[@robw4ltz408]

What about his MMP CLUSTER he’s left us with.

[@loop1479]

Doesn't matter what voting system is in place. After reading the Opel Files, if true, governments are selected, not elected. Successive political parties have sold us out for self enrichment for many decades.

[@NA-sj9jy]

Nope.

[@markswanson2716]

Just to put a practical spin on this, if every board of every entity required equal representation/50/50 splits, I suspect there simply would not be enough Maori people to fill those positions. And if there was it would either be such a large proportion of the people group that most boards would have chairs filled by very unqualified people, or, those Maori who were qualified to take those board seats would possibly have to sit on more boards than is possible for any one person to manage. 🤔

[@SopwithTheCamel]

Bolger was appointed by Peters, and Bolger started us down this slippery slope. They are all involved.

[@Nkirk1974]

What a moron .. Bolger did all his treaty settlements with Doug graham before the 96 coalition fool… always blaming WP.. “oh he went with national oh he went with labour” what a sop

[@martylukes4654]

This is an outcome of He Puapua

[@johnrualmond2176]

great interview Sean; interesting that Jim was quite conscious of being politically correct and highly euphemistic in his responses and said nothing new, or revealing; Jim’s still smart, just not thinking very critically as some kaumatua do;

[@NormanMacritchie-bv3ju]

It is apartheid systems Maori

[@user-dv6rr5ld4m]

These two(Bolger and the broadcaster) are playing the dumb card when it comes to Co-Governance especially Bolger, laughing it off. May fool some but not all. They know very well why maori want it because of the injustices/inequity done to them.

[@shauntempley9757]

Yes. It is also getting worse and worse, as other nations come in and run roughshod over our country, and they ignore us, because they think we are like Australia, and a penal colony. Having Maori at the table, would totally distance us from that sentiment, because the one thing they know, is that Australia has the White Australia policy.

[@alistermacpherson7120]

Thats a bit rich when you listen to Chris luxton answering questions about hid economic policy

[@MrUser1million]

Shit, this was 8 months ago!

[@olsaffa7679]

Co-governance, is code for separatist governance, which is code for Apartheid. Choice: you either deny this or you now start supporting Apartheid. My guess, they will choose the former. If The Treaty is read as a Apartheid document then it should be torn up. Whaw. Imagine the people with a percentage Maori blood, not being able to claim some stuff because they happen to be born with some percentage of Maori blood.

[@Sequoia690]

Great to hear from an articulate, intelligent ex-politician. Thanks for your time and input Jim. Us Kiwis appreciate it...

[@SopwithTheCamel]

No "we" don't.

[@peterwilson7340]

I thought he was dead.

[@NormanMacritchie-bv3ju]

Talking away joyce don't force men woman when war for freedom ,what learn some doing force a not on

[@martinsamuels2897]

There is no such thing as Co government we live in a democracy which is why we vote for our government.

[@antonoka]

Mr Bolger knew back then as well, the concepts of true partnership. I found him to be arguably the best National Party Leader to be Prime Minister.

[@jackiebiggs7071]

I don't see a problem with being bilingual. Being bilingual apparently makes it easier to learn more languages. My grand children will be bilingual and that's a good thing.

[@elizabethbradley4301]

Being bi lingual wouldn't be a problem if you understand white nzers issues, including white looking maori, the issues they face every time they speak maori because of idiocy that a skin colour is a race and if its white its automatically bad. Unless you understand the realities of this country and the fact that we have a haka in our cultural sports and its made to seem as if it's okay to white culture and our children but then when university kids do it for fun to celebrate passing school etc and are beaten by maori and it's seen as okay, you tend to be put off by speaking another person's language. The English language has not be so regimented and annoyed about accents in NZ when speaking english but just recently a lot of maori vocally say they need "real maori teaching maori etc" when thats just racist and a roadblock if you truly want to include others. People are lying about why the maori language wasn't spoken and it wasn't because it was oppressed by colonials. More colonials knew how to speak maori than white people do now because a lot of maori created hate towards white skinned people including white looking maori and we all got sick of the culture that is constantly nit picking and lying about our ancestors, family and friends and outsiders just blindly believing hateful racists in our communities when maori and british nzers are very mixed, very united, have evolved cultures and it is only the very greedy and nasty that project all the worst of the past onto all nzers in the present. No nzer that likes nzers and understands them would actively support hate and lies towards them

[@jackiebiggs7071]

@@elizabethbradley4301 I know all that and I still think being bilingual is an advantage. Most other countries are bilingual with English as their second language.

[@elizabethbradley4301]

@@jackiebiggs7071 if you're aware of that you would be encouraging more inclusiveness and positivity and kindness towards white people to ensure that a second language becomes available realistically. Also be encouraging removing discriminating policies in the bill of rights of minorities and majorities and discouraging the fact that they actively choose to ignore that someone is from british cultures that happen to have maori ancestry and speak English by choice and not because it was forced as people are actively lying about. As soon as people speak the truth and stop encouraging hateful lies which is bad for the maori culture and british people who are just nzers now, we can get back to how things were pre Helen clarke. Also the reality of the maori language is that these people, including maori see themselves more as a part of a nz culture, not a british or maori one, we'd all evolved and idiots apparently couldn't understand that we created our own cultures within our families over hundreds of years

[@jackiebiggs7071]

@@elizabethbradley4301 seperate all the rhetoric and emotion out and being bilingual is advantageous to language skill. I would think the same no matter which 2nd language one learnt.

[@elizabethbradley4301]

@@jackiebiggs7071 I'm in a family that has maori and nz british people descended of colonials. In which at 7 years old I was spat at by racists in our community and called a white rat and white pig all while our govt were validating racist by lying and saying maori were worse off and oppressed by colonials which were their own ancestors and creating discriminatory policies. This racism started spewing over into the island community of being yelled at on my balcony at my rental that I stole land. This has nothing to do with emotion, they have been inciting real hate and it has escalated more and more every year and this is about reality and its still happening to white kids in these communities. If you can't understand this because of the news brainwashing you as to was nz is like or what people apparently experience I suggest you stop watching TV and actually talk to nzers and listen to them, not to propaghanda

[@torqingheads]

Quite a history about the Maori - put the Inca's or the Aztecs to shame in degeneration. Outcast during the 13th century as weaker primitive Neolithic people by the invading Hawaiians & Tongans (Maori were from the original wave of primitive Asian/Melanesians pushed right out across the Eastern Pacific by successive stronger more advanced groups coming from the west). They were outcast on rafts and some floated up in NZ stranded for 500 years. The weaker were pushed down to the South Island or Chathams etc. So the South Island Maori (had their own language) were the weakest of the weak. They were captured and eaten as 'Slave flesh' by the northern Maori doing raids. (Well they all ate each other - 80% of Maori pre European were dark skinned easily fattened slaves farmed and eaten by a lighter skinned 'Ariki' thin wiry elite royal caste). So it was with some righteousness as well as British cunning that they armed the southern Maori who then with muskets launched a genocidal war on the north.. That plus measles & flu halved the Maori population and removed most of the elite. The British then liberated the slaves and outlawed cannibalism. The northern Maori fought with the British against the south bad west Maori 'rebels'. The Maori sued for peace and a treaty was signed that removed all sovereignty and made them subjects to the English crown where the English would protect them from each other. Land could only be sold to or via the Crown. Maori could live on their reservations with native custom but none did. The treaty of Waitangi is strikingly clear in that the Maori cede sovereignty completely and become citizens of Great Britain - all 3 clauses lock that in. Nothing in today's 'Maori' culture is authentic. The music - all European (Maoris did not have tonal music, the songs are missionary tunes or introduced - Poi dance is from Islands and Stick dance from old Malaya. The carvings and art - all European - Arabesques that was the fashion at the time. Original Maori had limited dash carving and no painting of objects. No written language - all the syntax & grammar plus vowel inflection is European. No technology - some lagoon canoes and wood or stone Neolithic tools. No food sources - like pigs or crops - they left that all behind, all they had was a weak inbred fox (now extinct), some rats and a weak dismal pacific yam. They ate out all the bird-life, didn't know how to farm the sea as were island people and so they turned to societal cannibalism. Today - no full blood or half blood left. No genuine tradition and almost all are offspring of Maori slave females sold to white settlers for muskets or food. -So more fake than the 'Sioux' or 'Cherokee' or 'Crow' who had at least retained some genuineness about who they were and their history. -Everything you 'saw or experienced' is Fake. A totally convected disneyfied tokenistic set of inventions fueled by a grievance culture of mixed-race imposters fetishing a false past bad history because it pays benefits. 'This Horrid Practice' - Professor Paul Moon, "A Savage Country" Professor Paul Moon 'Behind The Tattooed Face' - Heretaunga Pat Baker, 'Anthropology In The South Seas' - H D Skinner

[@jesswhaanga8643]

So now you can crow about how great our cntry is now after how many colonist invaders ,?? who also added atrocities to indigenous people..Woke rainbow nassisim? Arse holes paid biased media .!You still gloating?

[@adriandocherty778]

That’s ok bro. No shame in it!! We are good now!

[@markcrisp8279]

I'm a supporter of prime minister Adern. Impressed with this interview. Impressed with intellect former Prime Minister Bolger. Most certainly Co Governess explained.

[@lancedonald6070]

The only explanation that is in any way valid is that CG means the death of NZ as a Democracy. Anyone who cannot see that is obviously blind and or stupid.

[@markcrisp8279]

@@lancedonald6070 obviously I'm blind and stupid. When entering a discussion about anything 2 basic rules apply. 1/ supporting evidence your argument 2/ Empathy and Respect.

[@lancedonald6070]

@@markcrisp8279 Agree you must be both if you cannot see the reality of what the Iwinista are plotting and implementing, Unlike you I have no empathy for Traitors and Collaborators

[@paulburgess2967]

Mark Crisp Well another braindead brainwashed Adolph Ardern disciple .

[@geraldperyman6535]

Jim and Ruth et al put paid to trade unions via the Employment Contracts Act.The word "contracts"was an oxymoron.

[@davidmarsh9074]

sean. can you please fix the gaps in the red wall tiles?

[@hira4369]

It’s very clear to me what the government means by co-governance by their actions. Te reo and Tikanga Māori are being rammed down every New Zealanders throat and Māori are being given special privilege over all other New Zealanders.

[@hiramatangi1736]

Jim Bolger set the stage for this situation by endorsing the ‘partnership’ concept so recklessly used by the high court