Forza Motorsport 7 or Gran Turismo Sport? Which is better?

[@JustDevon]

Steve is wearing glasses in this video. His opinion matters. Listen up

[@jacobhillensjo1643]

JSR Devon Wearing glasses automatically boosts your IQ level by 30 units

[@AhmadGalalYT]

JSR Devon It will also overclock the brain for extra abilities

[@NicB-Creations]

69 liken That is true, but it also shrinks your penis by 30% so you have plan it correctly.

[@blackbirb6306]

I do prefer forza but gt sport is good too but

[@dukeboreham2782]

@@AhmadGalalYT this explains why Super GT is so good ;)

[@SWINDLA87]

I prefer Gran Turismo personally but as long as people are enjoying their favorite racing game it doesn't matter

[@Super_GT]

Schindlers fist Very good point. 👍👍👍

[@debunkingstupidity1335]

I prefer GT because Forza fucking broke my heart. I loved Forza in the beginning (started with Forza 5) and I began to appreciate race craft, but the online is horrendous, so many arseholes who completely and utterly ruin the game. Also, GT is more of a sim, the bumps, elevation changes and rumble strips affect the car in such a nuanced way. The tracks are almost dead in comparison on Forza.

[@apxviper6193]

I haven’t played GT properly to give proper verdict, but it does look like a very good game. The only issue I have with it is that the chase cam physics seems a little weird to me with me being used to Forza. The simple fact and issue is that what one of these games has, the other doesn’t. Example, I love the look of some of the fictional tracks in GT sport, but they just aren’t really existent in forza. However forza has the superior car list by a mile. I think if forza could bring more fictional tracks, provide better racing with a different system including penalties etc like GT sport and just keep updating the game consistently to keep the content fresh, it would crush the competition. I think overall these games can learn from each other realistically.

[@userjoinedyourchannel1]

Schindlers fist gran turismo is my childhood, sorry but forzas a no for me chief. Ive played forza from motorsport 3 till horizion 3. Playable but my love for gt is too much. Sport started off poorly but if ppl did there research, you would know that yamauchi was comfortable w the transition into next gen racing and would add content later on for free. To add, gt actually cares bout there fans, don't know the case bout forza, i haven't bern put in a situation where the game treated me bad or was jus bad in general for me to actually think the ppl who created the game didn't care about me or other playing it.

[@debunkingstupidity1335]

I'm Phazor owning both I would argue that the best Forza can do is compete with GT if they addressed everything wrong with the game and the areas it falls short. That said, it’s just my opinion and I don’t think my opinion is the be all and end all. I think where GT is concerned it’s a prime example of quality over quantity. Then again, as silly as it sounds I’m not a real car enthusiast, I’m more enthusiastic about the skill that’s involved with racing. So maybe if you’re in love with cars, having more of them is a deal breaker. But the few cars GT has are done very well, and not only are they done well, they also interact with the tracks on a deeper level due to the physics being more in depth and the driving being more challenging. So I think you also get more out of each car (and track) on GT, which is what matters more to me. However I am a bit biased as I ended up getting a wheel for my PlayStation and the force feedback brings GT to life. On controller I would argue that Forza has more enjoyable driving than GT on a pad, the rumble in the triggers on the Xbox pad is a deal breaker and I personally prefer the Xbox control - the triggers perform so much better as throttle and break pedals than the triggers on the dual shock which feel cheap in comparison. That said, my very limited experience of forza with a wheel echoes super GT in that wheel users can’t compete, and tbh wheels are where it’s at for racing games, it’s just so immersive. With a pad forza is probably the better game and it’s just lacking a penalty system to be as or more enjoyable than GT played on a pad. But overall GT beats Forza for me hands down if you’re using a wheel. But yeah I’m jabbering on. Basically I think Forza needs to improve their physics a bit, teach players how to race, introduce a penalty system and make a more balanced online in order to offer a comparable (or maybe slightly better) quality to GT. PS - I know what you mean about the chase cam on GT, but right now I really think that using a wheel with the cockpit view is the way to go!

[@slaetube]

"Do you like FM7 or GT Sport better?" "Yes." **Rolls Credits**

[@bleachcool1465]

Chris CC this deserves to be pinned

[@massterwushu9699]

He can’t give a definitive answer. It would start a war in the comment section. He needs to remain neutral at all times.

[@Jean-Poule_II]

Hahaha

[@akebjornblad9478]

Exactly lol, he literally gave his answer

[@or2kr]

r/inclusiveor

[@andraskeynote2247]

"The question i get asked all the time is Will you marry me" LOL... Your the best KZbin comedian racer dude.. 😆😆😆

[@srn306x]

demn that made me laugh so much xd

[@hover6662]

Best start to a video 😂

[@pavolridrich3434]

No game has ever taught me about racing as GT Sport did. Its the first and only game where I have the feeling of REAL driving, not just playing. It may lack some cars and track, but that feeling is priceless

[@caseyj8313]

Have you played Forza I'm not trying to be a facetious that's a serious question because that's how I feel when I play Forza Motorsport 7

[@pavolridrich3434]

@@caseyj8313 not the last one, but yh I played both, horizon and Motorsport. Its great games, both. Each in different way. But even Motorsport was always to me more "arcade"ish. Still great but in GT I always felt more "real".

[@Dooddood2731]

@@pavolridrich3434 forza shows more realism and makes you feel like your in the game while gran turismo shows you what your car can do I believe forza is always a better game but gran turismo kinda made way for forza but forza has passed gt in the racing category

[@pavolridrich3434]

I don't agree, Forza is great but its more arcade, same like pes and fifa. Both great but different. GT is the best mix of arcade(ish) and sim. Forza is more arcade(ish) but less sim. In GT you feel more (or at least I always felt) like on real car. Car response the way I would expect. And in forza you can't really talk about realism in online, its a pure joke. In GT Sport its like next next gen. But it doesnt necessarily means forza is worse, as I said its the last great game MS has, but feels more arcade on driving model and handling

[@Dooddood2731]

@@pavolridrich3434 I played both of them and I really saw that forza as for me I only play racing games for the looks I noticed forza looks better than gt but idk which one feels better

[@GreatSirRELLius]

This is by far the most unbiased review/opinion I've viewed comparing these games. Good stuff 👌🏾👌🏾

[@curtiswilson4737]

That's a damn lie! He's completely biased towards the PlayStation! Before Xbox racing game out, yes they had Sega GT, but 2002 was real good on the Xbox, but once they finally got Forza Motorsport, it was game over then!

[@GreatSirRELLius]

@@curtiswilson4737 Respect ✊🏾

[@brandonkim7931]

Love how thoroughly you cover both games. I grew up with gran turismo but never got to try gt sport. This video really makes me want to get a PS4 specifically for that game

[@Super_GT]

I would recommend it. I bought a PS4 just for GT Sport.

[@jackreeves7]

@@Super_GT you play any of the other great exclusives

[@Fosten12]

@@Super_GT I will buy the PS5 just for GT7. Im an Xbox, PC Person, played all forzas from FM3 on. Also i want some real racing instead of "the winner is who can escape the carnage"

[@rocketassistedgoat1079]

The last great racing game I bought was Forza 2, before that, GTA Spec-though I also have Dirt 2. I just bought GT Sport a couple of days ago: it feels WAY better than A Spec-and that game blew my mind. With that said, off road physics still seem rubbish (nothing changes there)-which doesn't worry me: it just means there are some wasted tracks in the game. Dirt 2 shits all over it. I hear that the driving physics are optimised for road cars in GT, and break down/are simplified more the faster the car. I can believe that, as A Spec was exactly the same. It's a perfect excuse to buy two driving games! Sport for production cars with road tires (my favourite anyway, as I love sliding all over the place), Project Cars 2 for proper high end racing cars.

[@azi9_ity]

i'm gonna get a ps5 specifically for gran turismo 7. i'm not up-to-date on ps5 backwards compatibility. but, if theres backwards compatibility, then "hallelujah! never playing xbox again!" i still do hope that gt7 will get a steam release, though.

[@MaxPowersCFB]

GT Sport has just done a better job of making it's driver community just better drivers. There are just more options more newbies to get better at driving such at proper racing techniques and track by track instruction for fast lap times.

[@MaxPowersCFB]

Colezy_k GT is a real racing sim. Lewis Hamilton does not see a yellow line when he goes of track to make sure he stay clean. Actually you don't even need that there because if you race enough you know where the track limits are. The thing I like about Forza is that is has a lot of race option for online play, that I think is something GT should copy.

[@Reydriel]

Colezy_k The track limits are always within the white lines. This is very strictly enforced in FIA races, but is loosened a little bit in other races, though indeed unclear exactly how loose.

[@MaxPowersCFB]

Reydriel I was just saying that because GT is more racing based. If you just try to follow the racing line, you don't need any additional markers to really tell you where the track limits are. GT Sport will teach you through trial and error. Doesn't matter if it is FIA or just Weekly races. You will get the limits that you need to adhere to. Forza 7 came out first and they still don't have a full track limit/penalty system. Never mind the track limits, one thing GT has done is to virtually make it not beneficial to hit other drivers. It is much more beneficial to be patient and a safe driver. I will say this, if I am driving down a real road I really hope the driver behind doesn't play Forza.

[@redhunter1535]

Betters drivers ahahaha gt fanbase is made of kids

[@novemberdelta1282]

@@redhunter1535 *ahem* then why did it get endorsed by the FiA to hold online races then? I've noticed GT lobbies tend to be more sensible than forza lobbies.

[@abrahamg3354]

I like the way GT Sport makes you feel. It makes you feel welcome, festive, interested, and excited for not just about cars and its history, but also for history in other subjects. I also like that it gives you the feeling that any one can race no matter who you are and that everyone is there to play fair.

[@tonymontana3873]

As a player of motorsport, you don't feel so welcome its a meh

[@SuperCarGuy2007]

@@tonymontana3873 You mean you don't feel welcome in Forza?

[@chairface9388]

The replays in GT sport look like real life

[@timmyrandomvideos4375]

Not really

[@jarrodb.armbrister982]

Well said, Super GT! My preference is Gran Turismo. Gran Turismo forces a person to be a better driver by learning track limits and imposing a penalty system to discourage rammers and the like. Overall, the driver's skill is better tuned and noticable when play "FM 7"

[@GTAracingUK]

Jarrod B. Armbrister yeah this comment hasn’t aged well

[@pingaslord9726]

@@GTAracingUK how is that

[@dragospahontu]

@@GTAracingUK true

[@GTAracingUK]

pingaslord97 FM7 already has a penalty system, but Grand Turismo’s penalty system is retarded. I get 3 second penalties for being wiped off the track in a hairpin. Also the simulation feeling is not there. There is no agression, the cars sound dull and the overall driving feels stiff and 2D. And with the camera angle the cars look like an image overlayed.

[@dragospahontu]

Forza took basically every good feature from GT now.

[@bradog]

Well spoken and objective. I feel you hit the nail on the head with your analysis. keep up the great content

[@gobblelobster482]

i dont even own a PS4 and I 100% agree with you. Those forza online races are full of cancer

[@ShaqFuGuru]

The shit online racing finally pushed me away from Forza. I just don't want to bother with that anymore.

[@gobblelobster482]

yeah i usually end up doing 2-3 endurance GT races until i just get fed up with nonsense that is forza online

[@igordelija9185]

Lol.Pure cancer man.

[@luisg4206]

Marc Hamelin agree. I am thinking of selling my xbox one and buying ps4 to play GT sport

[@Swordmaster7th]

The incentive to drive clean is a nice touch.

[@ianwatson6612]

Brilliant review with well thought out balanced arguments. Surprisingly this is reflected in the comments (for the most part). Keep up the great content and everyone can keep on enjoying their game of choice. Even though I play GT Sport I thoroughly enjoy the Forza videos and can see how it's a great game.

[@WeeWeeJumbo]

I haven't played any of this generation's Forzas, but I've enjoyed the older ones for many years. That said, GT Sport is clearly trying to create an actual culture of sporting drivers online and I respect this a lot

[@jorhop4005]

At the end of the day play what makes you happy.

[@Allaloneatron]

Tuff Ed Boi Hide the Sausage FTW

[@speedsquadracing6090]

Mr Worldwide

[@LittleLightIsaOnce]

I will marry u but im broke af so ull have to provide in the cash department

[@Super_GT]

No problem, consider the answer yes.

[@LittleLightIsaOnce]

Klumsy Kameleon 🤣

[@jcm2789]

[@RobertJohnson-mn3br]

Little Light I’m a little light myself but I’ll make up for it “elsewhere” ❤️💑

[@maarten332]

O M G

[@eisas1306]

Gran Turismo has the better physics by a landslide(although that doesn't mean it's more fun). Forza 7, the impact physics are crazy, the acceleration is overt especially on low-end cars, over-steer doesn't mess you up at all, and you feel like you are driving on ice. That being said, I completely understand what you mean by "Gran Turismo feels repetitive", because you do get a very clinical... non-engaging feeling. The thing that usually makes a game fun is the gameplay and not the realism, so sometimes Forza 7 can just be more fun on principle. I've played older Gran Turismo's too, and the handling on those games is WAY more stiff than modern GT, to a point where you are forced to drive how they want you to. In the end it's difficult to say which one is more FUN. But if you are like me and you've been driving for recreation almost everyday since the day you got your permit, GT feels more accurate at this point in time; yet at the same time being able to drive any-car in Forza 7 and not worry about if your braking was off by 5%, and still be able to win a race, then yeah Forza can be more fun.

[@Super_GT]

Eisa S Great comment. Agree with what you're saying. Depends what you want from the game really, whether it be fun or realism. That will decide which one has the better physics in a way.

[@jimym__]

Eisa S I’m pretty sure that the impact physics are realistic, but since the damage is not like beamng and the car won’t crumble up at a high speed impact the cars just bounce of each other, but I don’t know if it’s true

[@jessegonzo3010]

Lol... I'm guessing u have no physics education. Gt physics may be the worst in driving games of this gen. I'm sure ure a better driver in gt but that's cuz ure being babysat..xoxo

[@philliprokkas195]

gt sport has no car body roll, no burning rubber, fake collision sound (singular, as in one digitally created collision sound for every car and type of collision surface), no options for customization or even to turn traction control off. who in their right mind would prefer gt sport i do not know. even the background is bland compared to forza 7. i feel sorry for you gt guys, i'd rather play a mobile racer lmao

[@dragospahontu]

Forza feels like you are driving a car

[@GegenDummheit]

I´ve waited for that sort of video, and it´s great! Thank you for all the informations. I am a GT Sport player because I only own a PS4+, but I also like your Forza videos. Keep up the good work. :-)

[@bleachcool1465]

Watching the video for a second time and I realize how weirdly calming this video is. I don’t know why maybe it’s the BG music (amazing choice btw) and editing, timing, choices between subjects, analysis, rapping up, etc etc, but I feel like you could do this. More videos like this would be interesting. GG Super GT.

[@KnowItNation]

I bought GT Sport back in March because of you. Best decision ever.

[@montoshi]

KnowItNation lmao I bought it because of him awhile back too

[@SonoftheFortunate]

GT7 coming soon. I haven’t got GT Sport but I really want it

[@yarn7344]

@@SonoftheFortunate gt7 will be gt sport but better and more tracks and more cars

[@phixxter6575]

hell yea man, bought it in march of this year actually lol

[@janky_videos]

Mariokart wii

[@natg34]

Your Boi 😂

[@mellamojeff458]

MARIO KART BATTLE ROYALE

[@MaxGamingLV]

@@mellamojeff458 Shut up Fortnite kid! Its the worst game ever

[@yuudii]

You mean Mario Kart DS right? Wii all know MKDS is better, amiright?

[@MaxGamingLV]

@@yuudii Nah. Mario Kart 7!

[@enterlordvader]

So glad I found this channel.

[@billny5575]

Cool fake channel

[@yarn7344]

@@billny5575 nah you are fake

[@Jose-oy1ow]

Just picked up gran turismo a few weeks ago while it was on sale lol. New sub btw!

[@captaincrumpet5558]

My opinion: Menu / UI: GT Sport Soundtrack: GT Sport Career: Forza 7 Content: Forza 7 Graphics: GT Sport Gameplay: TIE Physics: TIE Tuning: Forza 7 Customization: Forza 7 Sound: GT Sport Value: GT Sport Multiplayer: GT Sport Features: TIE Refinement: GT Sport Settings: Forza 7 Gran Turismo Sport: 7 Forza 7: 5 Tie: 3

[@super_street_racer5094]

Phoenix Intergrale physics? Tie???

[@ThreeDaysOfDan]

yeah super gt lost tall credibility when he said the physics are similar but GT sport feels better on a wheel.. That's literally the best way to asses the physics. If forza sucks on a wheel it has shit physics.

[@zCrytekzHD]

Sound?

[@captaincrumpet5558]

@@zCrytekzHD Yeah GT does it better

[@wordsshackles441]

Phoenix Intergrale Physics and driving is a tie? Why do you even share your opinion?

[@vtec5862]

Man I wish I was as handsome as Super GT

[@Mc.GRonald]

I like is voice and his british accent

[@Ar2_Dee2]

Forza wins on number of crashes

[@xdbetyar]

Hugo Auditore game crash or rammers in multiplayer 😂

[@Audfile]

Hugo Auditore and crash physics cause forza drivers think you crash your car and keep racing in real life

[@averagesundaydriver8122]

Yeah, but GT Sport still has a lot of dirty lobbies

[@LWM-Official-Music-Channel]

I think GT Sport is more a Racing sim but FM7 is more like a crashing/ramming sim 😂😂

[@jmbc1068]

Lol idk man, all i c is brazzilian niggas crashing

[@BenKill]

Very well done comparison. I think GTSport is made for the more serious racer, whereas Forza is for someone new, somebody that can hop in any time, similar to Need For Speed.

[@Super_GT]

Agree with that.

[@ottovonbismarck9026]

GT sport has arcade physics though, so i wouldn't say the "serious racer" more like the competitive racer.

[@johannesberglund2070]

Otto Von Bismarck no

[@0AFonseca]

Otto Von Bismarck So true, and the no damage is not acceptable in 2018

[@natg34]

Hallison Michel yeah you are right

[@Landrytommy]

Could add how developper respect player. Forza miss huge parts at launch and they dont listen to player. Gran turismo feels like their dev work harder to satify every body

[@rockisawesome100]

Tommy Landry I feel like turn10 are listening to their fans too. Every update the game gets better, they add things the community wants like time attack and drift suspension.

[@Landrytommy]

Yeah, but the next forza is soon to be out and they have just add this feature we ask from the begining. Also, it's been a while since I've played but can you now hotlap and tune your car while in the session like you could in the previous forza? That was the kind of bad decision I was refering

[@atent5124]

Talk about advertising their ads with In-Game Footage. Lol no

[@phoenix887]

GT Sport hands down for me, Gameplay > everything else. People still play Richard Burns Rally these days because how good the gameplay is in that game, not because of the graphics etc.

[@SillySinStorm]

Forza 7 needs to hurry up with their penalty system. Despite the new track limits people still corner cut. Hoping the penalty system reins them in.

[@MaxPowersCFB]

It's not just track limits but they need a penalty system for driver contact as well. Sucks that the guy behind you can just punt you off the track , ruin your race and then continue along their merry way like nothing happened. GT Spot makes in undesirable to race dirty.

[@SillySinStorm]

Spartacus The Bringer of Rain Yep, too much contact in the lobbies. Pinnacle League is anything but....

[@juantoribio5978]

The penalty system for forza 7 is confirmed because is the next update

[@kylelyons1939]

SillySinStorm I was in a Forza GT race on Yas Marina short last night and I was in 2nd right. But they guy in 1st kept extending the corners in classic yas marina fashion so I had to do the same to keep the same distance behind. Then with 2 laps left the guy behind me punts me into the wall at the chicane because he couldnt pass when I was driving defensive on each turn. So naturally after that I punted him off at the end of the straight to teach him a lesson. I raced cleanly for 16 laps until this dude puts me into a wall then he deserved the same punishment. He could've just passed me on the straight

[@SillySinStorm]

Kyle Lyons Yas gives me nightmares to be honest. Such a griefers/cutters paradise. Hoping T10 implement a decent penalty system that deters the fuckwits.

[@rubng__]

Gran Turismo Sport motivated me to become a better driver. As with other previous racing games I stuck with automatic gears and drove like a noob. Now I’ve come as far as being an AS driver in GTS, but normally a BS driver. ;-) Forza Motorsport looks to be a good game as well, but both seem to be winners in some way as you’ve stated. If someone gave me an Xbox I wouldn’t hesitate to give it a try.

[@tpakzone]

Ruben g : i agree. I was always an auto player in every racing game because i was just too lazy to come to grips with manual. GT sport built the confidence in me and encouraged that.

[@calster2545]

Ruben g : got same opinion, used to not be competitive but gt sport has just turned it around for me

[@wwjnz9263]

Reading how GTS encouraged you to improve as a driver is something Forza has long needed. I don't think the game ever had any incentive to get better, aside from more credits from racing a higher difficulty? Does that make someone a better driver, or more likely to win by any means? I haven't played a Granturismo title in a long time, but just from what I see, Polyphony really put the effort in with this title. Forza 7 feels rubber stamped. More of what was in 6, but few substantial improvements, beyond graphics and number of cars.

[@MonsieurKonthaar]

Automatic? For years? You are the weakest link. Goodbye.

[@LaHalara]

Well I've been playing Fm7, never automatic, I love everything abt forza it has enough technicalities of motorsport driving and set aside some room for me to have fun with customizations. I've played gt, my main issue with it is the fact the all cars seem to handle the same, the same weight transfer and suspension. They feel the same on gt.

[@preinfinity]

gran turismo is quality over quantity and forza is the other way around

[@kylecalobtraceharper]

Gran turismo sport is quality over quantity gran turismo 5 and 6 in terms of cars were not.

[@novemberdelta1282]

@@kylecalobtraceharper yeah, the supra on GT6 was recycled from GT4

[@philliprokkas195]

forza 7 is better in every conceivable way lol. gran turismo is nothing but stock cars, lower resolution, blander backgrounds, fake collision sound (singular, one sound for every type of collision), no car body roll, no options to turn on traction control or car customizations past livery... mobile racers are better than gt sport

[@jorgemartiperez4747]

Gran turismo has lots of different cars, not as many as Forza ofc but they go from stock Cars to Lmp1s or even prototypes. There's an option to disable TCS and yes, there is bodyroll. Customization is completely free in terms of putting anything you like on the car. Backgrounds are inspired in realistic circuits so It is what It is. Comparing GTsport to a mobile game is like comparing arma3 or Squad to fortnite

[@philliprokkas195]

@@jorgemartiperez4747 they are all stock cars, does TCS off give you the ability to burn rubber? or is it a fake option XD

[@michellewhitehouse7479]

I will refer people to this video when they ask me which game they should buy. Great stuff. All I do on youtube these days is watch videos from the likes of you, kie, eeeeries, trl_lightning, tidgney, z28, f4h_rosso, and when I'm not on youtube I'm playing gt sport. I think I have a problem, lol. Edit: Pissed myself when it showed you liking the Pizza Hut logo.

[@Super_GT]

Many thanks! Yeah, that sounds unhealthy hahahaa!

[@robert357900]

4:10 - holly crap, this is first time when I see that light effect in any game. I mean the way how lights reflects from shining surface in headlights depending of angle.

[@ShaqFuGuru]

Forza needs stuff like practice, quali, flags, and ghosting lapped back markers. GTS adds a lot with tire wear, fuel, and pit stop strategies that is impossible in Forza. I'd love if Forza added challenges or a driving school missions like GTS does to help teach techniques or tracks. A new driver to Forza is encouraged to be aggressive in career races with drivatars and it makes shitty online lobbies.

[@David-ud9ju]

Forza's just a lot more casual. The fact that you can do better with a controller than a wheel kind of sums that up.

[@gautamkrishna7421]

David hopefully they can fix that in the next forza to make it advantageous to use a wheel

[@brockackerman6409]

Gautam Krishna I’m a gts player. I can’t stand f7. It’s just not racing to me but with that said I do kind of like the fact that controller is better. I’d rather them equal like gran turismo but the majority of players can’t afford a steering wheel anyway. The only issue with that is that there is less incentive to buy a wheel with f7 because it is worse

[@Csal92]

Much of those features have been present since Forza motorsport 5 besides qualifying.

[@LouSassol69er]

Forza needs to up the server quality and lag compensation. The amount of clips I see where people are jittery and lagging all over is crazy. Whereas GT Sport is alot of the time smooth and can actually get close to other cars without ramming wild.

[@hellbound64]

First 5 seconds is why I'm subscribed

[@hunnerd4566]

The sportsmanship rating is a god tier idea, rewarding clean driving is so nice. I grinded for my S rank and the lobby’s are aggressive but fair.

[@clockhanded]

You are 100% about the exaggeration of the differences between engine layouts in Forza. I never heard someone describe it before but that's very accurate. The rear engine cars feel overly like they're dragging butt. Its like they literally decided to make RR feel like the opposite of FF when there is actually far more nuisance. Also theres a traction issue I can't put my finger on.

[@bighomie245]

Forza 7 is definitely my go to fun racing game where you can do multiple challenges with the amount of vehicles they have where as GTSport is definitely the go to for competitive racing

[@adam.3468]

Literally ordered GT Sport last night so I'm coming into this video with hopes that I didn't waste my money..

[@adam.3468]

Pretty much me in a nutshell tbh! Can't wait for it to come - I'll be waiting at the window for the next few days..

[@SWINDLA87]

OFR League It's amazing, welcome aboard dude

[@bartterp88]

OFR League If this was your comment, let's say, november last year.. yes, you wasted 60 bucks. Now tho, it's a whole other story. The game is an awesome experience and yes it gets addicting. Especially when you feel you are improving and getting better racing experiences.

[@najiv]

you didn't waste your money. far from it. even as someone who doesn't love racing games, in the time I've spent playing it I can tell you its a great title overall.

[@TheImmortalmindz]

Its a great game, its even better with the new tyre model, def not wasted any money.

[@unknownhostile7544]

You can fix the stiffness of the camera in gran turismo just go to camera settings

[@Jpilgrim30]

Unknown Hostile it’s not the stiffness of the camera it’s the stiffness in the physics.

[@keir92]

But can you make the forza camera stay still because it’s actually much better when it doesn’t move

[@igorkevorkian16]

Cockpit cam fixes that... but you'd actually have to know how to drive. Chase cam reminds of when I was a kid in the 80s playing Pole Position... before I could actually drive.

[@nickcivetta2]

UNKNOWN HOSTILE good that’s kind of a turnoff

[@Alphabet7]

How? It's unplayable

[@marcpeters4309]

Update in 2021, everything is the same but Forza 7 players are a tad more respectful from what I have experienced, not sure if anyone has any varying opinions, but compared to launch year, FM7 has gotten a bit better and good battles are a bit easier to come by, I suppose as the core player base has been established and all the kids left

[@IzzyCooks]

Thanks for adding the description and saving me half of my day lol

[@Widderic]

I subscribed a while ago but I gotta say this is the best review comparison I've ever seen since KZbin was launched. Long time GT player here but stopped after 4. Been playing a lot of Dirt Rally 2.0 and I hateeee it. I was always skeptical of Forza but now I really only enjoy Single Player progression, learning, and now I wanna play with multiplayer. I like GT's etiquette system so BOOM. Spending my money now. Thank you man.

[@Widderic]

Nvmd I only have PC...... fuck

[@Tacko14]

I’ll be a granturismo fan forever. Started there, having trouble getting used to other games. I’d quite like special editions of gt. Like classics, saloon racing or ralley. With the E. The Safari ralley first up

[@where_s_wally]

Steve A-B does Supercars of London exhaust expert (glasses) style review. Good job Steve, nice reflective evaluation. GT Sport all the way for me.

[@Ludwig1970]

Gran Turismo has so much more love put into the cars. Detailed real time reflections, not just on the outside but in the inside of the car. Real time dashboards, every gauge on the dashboards in GT are real time including the odometer and realistic physics!

[@smonkwad]

One problem with the audio in the video, is that sometimes the game audio (car noises) are a bit louder/as loud as your voice is. Besides that, I loved everything you did here man. Great video and excellent unbiased criticism and opinions. Well planned segways and sections for each aspect/topic.

[@spacelube5845]

Since Forza Motorsport 4, they went downhill. Horizon is the only saving grace for the series, and that says a lot about a circuit racer...

[@terrylu4894]

hi, will you have an update 2021 version video of this topic? Looking forward to it! :D

[@slimhardaway8]

Forza and GT should make a baby!

[@shardell]

Don’t forget about Forza’s self learning AI, it mimics your friend’s driving, hopefully with the next generation it gets even better

[@pogtuber5146]

No, please, this feature isn't nearly as impressive as the developers said it would be. The AI is still trash.

[@TheUltimateHacker007]

@@pogtuber5146 forza drivers in general aren't really impressive

[@ashdog236]

@@TheUltimateHacker007 okay TCS and ABS

[@TheUltimateHacker007]

@@ashdog236 All assists are off on my end. But nice projection

[@ashdog236]

In general, most GT players use TCS and ABS, even if it’s just to launch off the line, you’re still using an assist. GT game physics are also easy to drive and on rails, FM is hard and like driving on ice. You’d be slow AF in Forza Motorsport leagues because you’d actually have to deal with car movement and oversteer and brake locking, wow finally on GT7 polyphony decided to bring brake locking into the game physics? Really? And you wanna talk about what players of what game are trash? 💀

[@ifrazahmed1693]

What a video ! Thank you for making the correct verdict. You have a new subscriber now. Happy days

[@lauscho]

Just started watching some of your videos after getting back into GT Sport. I'm gonna have to get a PS+ card so I can race online again. Your videos are inspiring me at the moment!

[@Kirathian1234]

On the subject of assists, I really love GT's driving cones (even though they can murder you or cause dope bunny-hops). they really help with finding the breaking zones/apexes without being completely in your face like a driving line. Has any other racing games done this?

[@Super_GT]

I'm not sure if other games have done that to be honest but I agree with you. They helped me to get used to the game when I first started.

[@Lee0297556]

Motogp has an assist like this. Much better than using a racing line to learn a track

[@refuelingexpert1071]

Fan wars starting after this comment.

[@jacencade4019]

Refueling Expert forza has players not fans

[@Victor-kv4jt]

That'll only happen if this video becomes viral.

[@Super_GT]

FORZA AND GTS SUCK!!111 NFS MASTER RAYCE

[@xdbetyar]

Random Petrolhead huge dick

[@drownedgod]

Big yikes from me

[@scottbradley9390]

I bought Gt Sport in a ps store sale, best fifteen quid I ever spent, put some serious hours into it. Forza 7 gets boring quick IMO

[@LouSassol69er]

Forza 7 just doesn't have any good rules to make people drive better and is why it isn't as good. Hopefully both GT7 and the next Forza can improve their rules or enforce some new rules to stop the carnage and punting.

[@Moe_lestering]

I used to play a lot of project cars and it was good but undrivable with a controller. As in gt sport the controller is equal to a steeringwheel. My only fault about gt sport is the lack of technical adjustments you can do. LittleThings like tyre pressure that can help you gain some time on some tracks. But your vid is some of the best comparison vids ive seen in a while. Youve put some time in it, well done.

[@YappingGamerDad]

I enjoyed your opinion and talk on this. One thing I wanted to add to what you were saying about the assistance settings being very heavy on Forza.....as a positive.....my 6 year old is a solid gamer for someone who's still learning to read, he is a competent gamer for the most part. But racing he can not do yet. I would never even THINK about setting him loose on GT Sport, but on Forza with all the assists turned all the way up, he may be able to make something happen. So it would assist in very new to the genre racers, but mainly, let it help much younger drivers to keep it together. This came from a GT Sport player. We had Forza on Xbox 360 but I bought a PS4 and never looked back. It's not a full simulation but it's enough to make me hold him back on there. But maybe Forza would work.lol.

[@blast4898]

Awesome review! I love that you went through both games thoroughly. I haven’t played GTS, but from watching your vids it seems to definitely be the better option for quality racing. That said I keep a pretty close eye on Forza and things will continue to change big time in the months to come. T10 needed a wake up call and FM7 was just that. They continue to work on this game and it’s come a long long way.

[@Super_GT]

Many thanks. Yes, GT is the better game for quality of racing but as you say, Turn 10 are working on improving Forza with the regulations system and other things so it worth monitoring.

[@OTRBRANDON]

You didn’t talk about GTS fresh ass sound track. Also, the rewarding sound of getting gold in anything. I mean that sound just makes me feel proud. I don’t know how the music is in forza, but man GTsport is worth it just for that.

[@xrecon18]

The menu music in GT Sport is just eargasm. So good. But the other thing is I want more Content so FM7 takes the win imo

[@marcpeters4309]

The music in Forza is not good at all, most people I play with turns it off.

[@yourtubisfilled7164]

Physics wise to me it seems like the Forza cars rotate too much around their center point rather than around the front axle. Looks much more arcady due to that.

[@xrecon18]

That’s the beauty of owning an X Box and a PlayStation. The diversity I’ve been offered. Play with my friends on PS4, but I chill and boot my Forza games. Just bought FM7 (Ultimate Edition) it was so cheap I couldn’t believe my eyes. I immediately bought it and now the game should be installed today. GTSport I can never betray though, it’s been with me since 2017 and I played it constantly, got all the 20,000,000Cr cars and absolutely loved it. One thing I could add, I’m a person who enjoys quantity a bit more than quality, but don’t get me wrong if a game is dog then I’ll hate it no matter how many cars it offers. But FM7 has a different feel to GT Sport and I like it. I love the diversity of cars so it’s very fun to play. GT Sport makes me feel like a real racer with the realism and how the game forces you to remember the tracks and how to take turns efficiently. Overall, I’ll say it’s GT Sport. Don’t forget the music in GT Sport 😍

[@Arrozconchopsticks]

I like both tbh. I'm a Xbox guy who took advantage of the times and recently purchased a PS4 Pro. First game i picked up for it was GT Sport. Imo Forza 7 is more fun/engaging, but GT sport has the better atmosphere, it's music plays alot into that. I can't get with the rock music in Forza. The best Forza atmosphere i ever experienced was the 4th interation, I wish Turn 10 would continue on with that. Polyphony Digital is more consistent in that regard.

[@waltergilmore9821]

Lol... Ur funny 😀 I'm a big fan of you & your channel 😎

[@holloway_btw]

I feel like GTSPORT was made by people who genuinely love not only cars, but motorsport as a whole. Both games are great, but GT edges it for me. Great content, super gt! Keep them coming!

[@TheClassicWorld]

Yes, it's clear that GT Sport was made by real racers/otherwise (which we know from GT 5 and the others). Forza was clearly made/published by Microsoft with raw money and power, but don't really know much about motorsport, or at least, watered it down for the Xbox masses. Almost all GT games are far greater than all the Forza series, in terms of sim racing.

[@redhunter1535]

Someone who love cards don't do standards cards that looks like trash. They do dignity to all the cars. Like Forza do.

[@glentight]

Would like to see a revist of this, one year on.

[@DanniV8]

Or even now, two years on.

[@hectord27]

I just found your channel, I'm eager to see more of your content. Thanks!

[@chinahktwunity826]

I feel like Gran Turismo captures the essence of motorsport, whereas The Forza games when they first came out with that game, catered more to the casual gamers. People who played Gran Turismo since the first game are fans of the game, but also play the game for the racing experience. In Forza, its different, especially the online portion of Forza 7. Polyphony Digital have always done a good job at teaching new & experienced players to finesse their driving technique, whereas Forza doesn't have this emphasis. I remember playing earlier Gran Turismo games where you couldn't even start racing until you cleared the licences. Forza is for casual gamers, Gran Turismo is for serious players who want a better, cleaner, more professional racing experience. That's the difference here. Great video btw.

[@DethcrowGames]

I still have yet to play GTS. I’m an Xbox player tho but I must say, GTS looks way better. The graphics are astonishing. Gameplay seems smooth. Car sounds are even better than on FM7. I really can’t wait to get my hands on GTS. But I love FM7. So fun, entertaining to watch, the game looks really good even on a Xbox One S and 1080 tv. But even better on my X and my 4K tv. Both games really look beautiful tho. I just enjoy good racing games :)

[@th3orist]

I think that you can fault Forza 7 graphically quite a bit. To me overall it looks in comparison to GT Sport outdated, especially in terms of lighting. The shadows may be a bit flickery or blurry in GT Sport, but in Forza they are so dulled down, barely visible, which gives the tracks a very bland feeling. Just compare the shadow work with PCars 2 or Assetto Corsa, they add so much more depth to the image. In order to keep the game running in native 4k or 60fps locked Forza intentionally has often cloudy or relatively dark weather so they dont have to implement too many shadows on the tracks. It's actually very annoying once you have your eye on that matter. Also the body roll of the cars looks a bit off in Forza, cars look too stiff. And the reflections work is really really bad in Forza, sometimes cars appear matte. Then there is the tail and brake lights issue, at times they appear off in Forza, you barely see sometimes if the car in front of you brakes. And at night you sometimes don't even see the cars in front of you because they have no tail lights. There is something really off with the Forza lighting engine and i think it's dulled down in comparison to FM5 and FM6 in order to accomodate dynamic weather and native 4k (on the X). As an overall package GT Sport is graphically superior if you are not only looking at resolution.

[@Ian-jn9zj]

What about sound comparisons? Tire, engine, shifting, curbs, crash sounds, etc. Also damage.

[@Reydriel]

MajesticLion Damage in GT is mostly mechanical (if it's turned on at all), but no visual damage. It does not aim to try and simulate that part of motorsport :P

[@aenoofficial]

Visual damage does occur in Gran Turismo Sport, but at a limited level due to licensing issues. Polyphony does focus on visual and mechanical damage, but can't go overboard because of said licensing issues.

[@kraenk12]

StealthDesigns there is visual damage. It’s just limited

[@aenoofficial]

I think you meant to reply to Reydriel :P

[@zaki_1337]

Forza Motorsport 7 was my first sim after playing arcades and sim-cades for years. I really love playing it as it's playable with a keyboard. This has to be one of my most favourite games.

[@belovedconsole]

This is cool to see you for the first time. You're not white with red hair like I thought but I did get the glasses right! :)

[@Arkayem]

So basically: Forza's quantity edges quality and GTS's quality edges quantity?

[@TheClassicWorld]

The clear winner: GT Sport. GT Sport points: 17+ Forza 7 points: 10 Most cars: Forza 7. Quality/best cars: GT Sport (mostly). Most tracks: Forza 7. Best tracks: GT Sport (mostly). Most content: Forza 7. Best content: GT Sport. Best graphics: GT Sport (mostly). Best replays: GT Sport. Best physics/realism: GT Sport. Best gamepad physics/feedback: Forza 7 Best wheel: GT Sport. Best cam/realism: GT Sport. Best arcadey feel: Forza 7. Best single-player: GT Sport (mostly). Best A.I.: Forza 7. Best online: GT Sport. Best sim racing: GT Sport. Most freedom: Forza 7. Most professionalism: GT Sport. Best lapping/ghosting: GT Sport. Best pitstops/tyes/rules: GT Sport. Best balance/starts: GT Sport. Best customisation: GT Sport. Best states: GT Sport. Easiest assists: Forza 7. Easiest CR/money gain: Forza 7. Most popular Esport: Forza 7. Best Esport [meaning game]: GT Sport.

[@psychoboitrip3125]

Classic Gaming trash list fucking garbage Ken Block chooses Forza Forza wins fuck PS4 XBOX wins simple

[@emp1la]

@@psychoboitrip3125 speak english please.

[@mandrews1192]

After spending multiple hours on both games I feel GT sport is better

[@coledelahooke809]

"bowling alley at turn one".....this should be on the back of the Forza 7 box.

[@MichaelPohoreski]

cole delahooke _Forza: Pinball Edition_ included free with every (multiplayer) game! =P

[@ajpend]

That's hilarious.

[@ccjh0806]

Do you ever notice that GT Sport looks super weird in 3rd person car cam? It's as if the back of the car is glued to the screen and only the surroundings are rotating around the car!

[@Super_GT]

It takes getting used to definitely.

[@stanfordcoffee]

Turn10 When it comes to Forza online, Steve is 100% correct. I stopped playing FM7 because of the atrocious multiplayer. 1. There is ZERO incentive to drive clean, and lots of incentive to drive dirty. 2. Why are back markers allow ruin the race for everyone. They should be in ghost mode! 3. Why are there standing starts with the fields so bunched up. They should be rolling starts, with a little extra space. 4. Why have simulation damage in a public lobbies? Yes it creates realism, as you have to return to the pits, for repairs, after someone smashes you into the wall, sometimes twice in one race. My favorite multiplayer WAS Endurance Forza GT. However, I would get rid of simulation damage and use fuel and tire wear instead, with one mandatory's pit stop ( laps would be calculated to make races last around 20 minutes). I RECOMMEND AGAINST BUYING FM7 TO ALL MY FRIENDS, AND ANYONE WHO WILL LISTENS, UNTIL THE ABSOLUTELY APPALLING CONDITION OF MULTIPLAYER IS FIXED!

[@lonelyigamer1463]

I have an Xbox one s so I obviously play Forza but to be honest I never really liked the physics of Gran Torismo. Just a personal opinion

[@yaosio]

Spoiler: OnRush is the best car game.

[@mdewulf0922]

Content, Fun, Arcade, Career, Awesome - *Forza* Graphics, Simcade, Competitiveness, Fun, Awesome - *Gran Turismo*

[@senna8712]

Great Review Video highlighting the Important aspects. I enjoyed playing both series (FORZA Motorsport & Gran turismo) for the past decade on both consoles (PS & Xbox) and I totally agree that both games are master pieces and I expect that FORZA 8 will over come all the lags in FORZA 7.

[@DHasan-wm3lg]

Very very useful preview. Covering the most important points. Many thanks!

[@SimonKlees]

Cones! They're a great aid when you're new to a track. (GTS)

[@jasprologikhall2775]

Content-wise, GT and FM switched places, where'as GT used to be the leading brand in car and track porn. GT still leads in replay cinema. FM only has one or two replay camera angles for an entire race. GT exhaust notes still sound muffled and super compressed, and FM exhaust can be a little exaggerated, like how stock economy cars already sound like they have race exhaust. I'm all about amount of content tho, so FM is better for me but GT is still my religion. I just wish Polyphony stopped being so "by the book" on licensing all the time. Turn 10 is a little more reckless when it comes to that, and you get a more cut loose game. It took GT all these YEARS just to get a semi-satifactory level of cosmetic customization due to asking permissions every step of the way, SMH. You know the old saying about football and rugby? GT is a hooligan sport played by gentlemen, FM is a gentlemen sport played by hooligans, lol 😂

[@DeadPool_StaS]

in my opinion if you want a GOOD online racing go with GT SPORT.

[@juicekid9710]

Thanks for covering this issue, I think you did a wonderful job summing all this up. Definitely got a sub from me. I’m glad you didn’t treat this with too much emotion to be biased, but still gave your genuine opinion on the topic. Great focus and overall great quality video.

[@xGeoThumbs]

Disregarding the annoying fuel message, I think the information that is displayed in GT Sport's HUD is better aswell. You have the tire and fuel in the HUD unstead of having to pull them up in Forza, and they are displayed more clearly. Also they have delta times instead of delta distance which makes more sense in a racing sense.

[@Super_GT]

Yeah, definitely agree on that. The GTS HUD can seem like overkill sometimes, but at least it's all there and in a format which you need to see it in. The time gaps in seconds is a massive plus compared to Forza showing you distance.

[@CONNOR-cn6rw]

the sound of gran turismo sport UI make my heart beats faster.

[@emyxquizite_trendz6383]

I've been playing Forza for 7 years, I've never played Granturismo, but I feel like Granturismo is better. I'm gonna compare them in these categories and give you an explanation. Physics & Realism: Granturismo Sounds: Forza Motorsport 7 ( We wanna hear cars, not vacuum cleaners ) Cars: Granturismo ( Forza has stupid cars) Online: Granturismo ( *Punting Porsches* ) Single Player: Granturismo Nostalgic Reference to Older Games: Forza Motorsport 7

[@leandrosoares8338]

The sound the cars make has its reason. The cars are slightly modified to become a better race car. The change in the turbo or even in the motor itself changes everything. Do you understand?

[@exosoma]

Physics better in GT? I think you didnt played Forza 7, maybe you played Forza Horizon

[@anonaconn]

As an owner of both GT Sport is the clear winner for me. Online on Forza is one of the most hideous racing experiences ever. The fact is though Assetto Corsa truly shits on both of them.

[@kylecalobtraceharper]

In terms of driving experience yes it does but one thing that turns me off on AC is lack of upgrades for cars

[@tetzuha]

I haven’t played Forza. But what I love about GT Sport is every online race is great. But when you have a really good race it’s a fantastic feeling.

[@BAMozzy69]

GT Sport is the best for competitive Online gaming where as Forza is more of a 'game' for all - regardless of whether you game online or not, regardless of your skill level etc. I do think the fact that Forza also has dynamic weather that has an impact (ie not 'cosmetic') adds more to the game than having 'static' weather. The fact that 'any' track can be wet or dry, even change during adds a lot more to the game but in GT, the weather is 'fixed'. The SP in GT is more of an extended tutorial - at least until they added the Leagues after launch. At the end of the day though, you are more likely to buy either based on your console of choice rather than because one suits you better than the other. The closest to Forza on PS4 is probably Project Cars in terms of SP, content, dynamic weather/tracks etc. GT Sport was built for Online racing from the start and therefore has a lot of things in place to try and make it as fair and rule heavy as real Motorsport. Forza was built more as a 'complete' game and successor to the other games in the franchise where 'online' is more of a 'multi-player' with friends or community. Its much more rounded and built for a much wider range of 'gamers' - from the casual to the racing enthusiast. Whilst GT is geared more to the 'enthusiast', its not really for casuals but will accommodate enthusiast 'beginners'.

[@jingoodz]

you've won my subscription at marriage question LOL

[@KacKLaPPeN23]

I think that both games don't have enough tracks. I vastly prefer GT Sports track list though, sadly missing many of my favorites from GT6. In general I liked GT6's content more than GT Sport's content and FM4's content more than FM7's content. They just removed so much stuff in both games, pretty sad.

[@quentinvuillier7837]

Forza just need penalties, online rankings, less meme cars and more ACTUAL race cars

[@randomjap8431]

*Gran Turismo 4 flashbacks*

[@luisrosales9349]

Forza is better anyway because it has content lol

[@exosoma]

Penalties? If another driver makes you make a mistake then the penaltie is for you. I wish they not implement penalties in the next Forza.

[@zoominnboomin]

Yes and a system to match player skill levels and sportsmanship.

[@TheCodexNecro]

Hi, just want to thank you for the level of detail and depth you go to while comparing these two games. I've bought GT Sport.

[@giantwaddles9478]

I would say gran turismo is better because of their online matching is so much better