Forza Motorsport - Brand New Game Same Old Rammers

[@IsuckAtDriving]

Side note thoughts on the Lexus LFA sounds? Edit: Rammer returns in part 2 here kzbin.info/www/bejne/mIC4qqxjaMelh5Y Edit2: In case some of you missed my skill rating video, this was on 4.95k hovering between A to S rating, but not like it matters there is no skill based matchmaking yet and you can easily get these ratings by just winning your qualifiers 3 times or using auto-drive. For those that resorts to using the r-word for my input choices, that is a very new low seen on this channel and you should be ashamed.

[@kelvinst185]

Lexus LFA is V10 heaven. Best sounding car ever.

[@YoshiSSBU]

Garbage

[@walteringle]

Sounds like shit here

[@secondone3249]

I think FH4 and FH5 did it better imo And in terms of car sounds from the comparisons I've seen, I think this new FM game might have overall even worse car sounds than FH4 does (But we'll see if they'll do a car sound update)

[@coach4050]

trash

[@ShinyMew76]

What’s sad is that you get penalized for someone else’s actions

[@marukianson5202]

Wait, dejaVu?

[@f4nste95]

This penalty system is useless. Also, rammers still breaking the gameplay. This game it would be great competition game and fun as well if they find solutions.

[@ilbroducciore]

@@f4nste95”useless” is a very hot take. I consistently see reckless drivers with tons of penalties at the bottom of my lobbies, so something is definitely working.

[@mrarmy8744]

​@@f4nste95rammer are bring Punished remember the more they do it the more they won't be able to join a race

[@damnsonalabanca420]

What's even sadder is 60fps cap for multiplayer

[@marcelosoares7148]

The huge crash at the start is basically a ritual at this point, it isn't an official race without it.

[@pccc5431]

learned this from ed Soundhead, its called the "turn 1 meme"

[@commenter674]

and at the same turn too. every, single, fucking, time

[@jcaashby3]

What pissed me off about rammers is they never seem to lose position while your spinning out of control and in last!

[@pinkchckn]

to be fair, while most people will be gathering experience on how to drive properly, rammers are getting experience in being a nuisance. Try to ram people with no prior experience and you'll most likely end up worse or as screwed as the person you rammed.

[@YodasDisciple]

why not add a function that allows players to vote for another player to be kicked from the lobby after they have received a penalty for causing a collision? Just include a small pop up on the top right of the screen and you can vote yes/no by using your d-pad or the right stick in a time frame of 10 seconds. If yes gets the majority then off you go, not everyone has to vote, since not all the players have been affected or have witnessed the incident, just a majority of yes votes is enough. This feature would be easy to implement, in contrary to a more sophisticated AI or a detection system and will get rid of rammers very effectively. That also means that autodriving to regain your safety rating is no longer a valid strategy for them, since they are at the mercy of those who’s race they have destroyed/impeded. You can additionally add a penalty to their safety rating in order for them to get into lower lobbies in the first place. Let me know what you think of that idea :)

[@Amalia19]

To be fair, it's only one rammer here and the game eventually punished him for good, that's already a massive improvement over the previous Forza games

[@jcaashby3]

And on top of that he will lower his driver rating even more if he continues and the game hopefully will only match him with other sore losers.

[@jeffreyisbell7471]

@@jcaashby3I would’ve pit maneuvered him after the second hit. I can let one slip by, but it gets personal after that lol

[@Splomf]

Not at all actually. he'll just set all the assists to auto drive and enter a playlist overnight so he gets back to 3800+ SR rating so he can start ramming the next day. The only solution is permanent HWID and Account ban. Doesn't matter what other games are on that account. That Xbox and that account full of games are useless forever now.

[@Davivd2]

I haven't played Forza before. But if 7 penalties in a lap is what it takes to get DQ'd and that's an improvement....yikes! Why do people even play? That much leniency would be like a welcome mat for all the trolls.

[@marcelosoares7148]

@@Davivd2 It's the only "Gran Turismo-like" game outside of Playstation so it gets quite the spotlight, plus Forza Horizon is the top dog in the arcade genre so some of the players from there end up playing Motorsport too.

[@secondone3249]

Not even 30 seconds in and the race is already a mess Motorsport online races never change, do they?

[@facundootero7973]

Well, I think everyone should wait a month and see what happens

[@xXVibrantSnowXx]

It's the same with other games, even in GT7 lol

[@Khozai]

Something has to be done with this tbh. No other racing game have as many rammers and bad drivers as forza does.

[@remirousselet6867]

@@xXVibrantSnowXx I play GT7 quite a lot, and it's pretty clean from my experience.

[@captainigloo5269]

that's what I used to think before playing the crew motorfest indeed @@Khozai

[@RatBürgerSk8]

Forza is the epitome of a game that's too challenging for most of its player base. Really don't understand why nearly everyone is just traffic.

[@simonknight5698]

This comment is so true. You shouldnt be able to drive a high class car until you earn the correct skill rating.

[@Sgt.chickens]

​@@simonknight5698it needs to be casually accessible but. The fact that there isnt a high tier lobby with stricter rule sets is a bit silly. The game is for casuals. Thats where its profit is. So they need to be catered too. But with the improved physics it would be nice to see more Strict sim content

[@amgbenz0664]

@@Sgt.chickens Agreed. Easy fix. Just make “hardcore” lobbies where DQ’s happen at 5 seconds of penalties rather than 12, and a wider ranging skill rating of 1k-10k instead of 1k-5k. Matchmaking might take longer but it will be worth it for those looking for a real competitive experience.

[@kiim0]

I believe the problem lies with a lack of systems in place to address or balance/evening out the skil disparity. i remember, GT used to (idk if they still do) do a driving school. It gave an insight into what you should be doing in a race, and gave you a chance to earn the ability to earn entrance to online class races. I think forza needs to do a similar thing. Have a series of "challenges" that require special movements to be done, which essentially teaches new or existing drivers different tiers of driving techniques. And then, have a separate system to "teach" people how to tune. These 2 systems in Forza, are not easy to learn, and there needs to be assistance from the platform.

[@toastedt140]

That's literally why I don't play online. I was racing in a high class on a wet track and I had the sudden realization that I suck lol

[@maidoll_fei]

The problem seems to be: 1.The collision physics allow pit maneuvers. In previous Forza games, it was common for the rear car to accidentally or unknowingly pit maneuver the front car. The front car was turned and leaned against the rear car, the rear car thought it was being attacked and then twisted towards the front car, and finally the two cars were stuck together. Some games have changed the car's physics so that when it is sideswiped, it will not be turned, but will only slide slightly in parallel. 2. Rammers receive a large number of penalties, but they never need to slow down and can always drag down other people in front.

[@DobieMeltfire]

The rammer must have thought DQ stood for Dairy Queen.

[@CyanRooper]

Ray Krieger was never the same after he lost to Ryan Cooper back in '07.

[@p00pie]

or Dookie Quotient

[@finlandball1939]

*Let’s end this… with a double crash!* - Forza Players 2023

[@apophisstr6719]

Something will never change...

[@CyanRooper]

Did someone say 𝘿𝘼𝘽𝙀𝙍𝙐 𝘾𝙐𝙍𝘼𝙎𝙃𝙐?!?!

[@FinlayDaG33k]

"prepare for trouble and make it double"

[@JirarotPhokhaphanit]

Shingo moment

[@bottomtext593]

Daburu Crashu Izoke!!! 😈

[@Explorshon123]

I hope they start ramping up the penalties, I would like to see much harsher penalties.

[@siqsteen]

banned for life on 3rd offense

[@WillFuI]

I think they need to fix the false penalties before they ramp up the penalties

[@vincesimard]

​@@WillFuI exactly. If i get pushed in the back while braking for a chicane and i go straight through, i shouldn't be penalized.

[@FinlayDaG33k]

@@vincesimard What about the part where he literally got rammed of the track, nothing he could do... Yet still got a penalty for it? :^)

[@Sgt.chickens]

Probably not in regular MP. But q Hardcore lobby for more experienced sim racers and people who want to play by strict realistic rules should definetely be added.

[@SSJ1Igor]

the c5 corvette guy was really respectful im happy you finished so close to him

[@antonychavier628]

Dude idk how you're so patient with those guys. Btw the lfa sounds decent

[@vincesimard]

Because rammers give him content he can then post to youtube and make money from😅 i wouldn't get mad if i was paid to get rammed. No homo

[@IsuckAtDriving]

Yes I paid the BMW driver 69420 Imaginary dollars to ram everyone in the lobby

[@새까막]

​@@IsuckAtDrivingu did wot 😳

[@habilzas3008]

@@IsuckAtDriving that BMW driver is a paid actor

[@azi9_ity]

Tbf it's often times fun to engage in their shenanigans

[@shrekspaghettitacos]

Rammers salivating at the sight of a chicane on the end of a 200mph straight

[@Doragonguro]

😂😅🥲

[@asdowo111]

The fog at Le Man is terrifying. +1.2 gap car ahead but you really couldnt see it.

[@dbzcollector9963]

What did that guy accomplish by pining anyone who tried to pass him to the wall? Nothing since he ended up losing more than he was desperate for and still managed to DQ himself? smh some people just shouldn’t be playing racing games if they can’t stand people passing them…

[@mehemynxm6974]

It's painful because I used to play like this lol. The only racing games I'd played were things like need for speed and juiced. So I assumed that's how you were meant to race. Of course now i know better lol.

[@drkilledbydeath87]

They just get their kicks by ruining everyone else's day.

[@dbzcollector9963]

@@mehemynxm6974 vs the AI it works cause they back off but in an online lobby you only loose time to everyone else behind you and eventually you’ll run into someone who doesn’t put up with it and just pits you before hand lol.

[@samfisher2141]

​@@mehemynxm6974I personally enjoy smashing assholes like you off the track.

[@mahmudurrashid423]

I think a lot of these players are kids...who don't really care. Probably they gey satisfaction from pushing other people of the track.

[@WillFuI]

I like how there is an achievement for having a S rank safety rating for 20 races in a row.

[@drunkthrone_]

I assume rammers like other griefers in any video game are very miserable in real life

[@FakeNvwz]

They ram to compensate the lack of skill

[@functionalpsychopath]

Not really, My lifeis very good actually.

[@generalpatton8468]

@@functionalpsychopath I know Forza will eventually add that "ghost" feature in like they did with FH5 to prevent bitch rammers like yourself from ruining races.

[@FakeNvwz]

@@functionalpsychopath I bet you have more screen time then time outside.

[@Davivd2]

Sadly, I would have to disagree. I think that toxic people are quite happy with themselves. That's the worst part. Sociopathic behavior is far more endemic in our society than we would like to acknowledge.

[@royshavrick]

This is weird. Most of my races I've not seen many rammers, though that might be because I am doing the featured touring car and forza gt hoppers. I think the open lobbies are where the rammers are going.

[@tigerp7398]

Try going A class series, you will find a lot of rammers

[@xXVibrantSnowXx]

Well, i had a bunc of A class races the last few days, never encountered a single rammer @@tigerp7398

[@ilbroducciore]

@@tigerp7398why exactly would he do that lol

[@tigerp7398]

@@ilbroducciore Because I've encountered a lot of rammers

[@Kahfjdkaj]

​@@tigerp7398that doesn't answer his questions. Im in class S and almost everyone in my lobbies is trying to drive nice and respectful instead of some doge viper drivers. Idk whats wrong with these people lmao😂

[@InsightfulUndercurrents]

During the qualification with the Hondas I have really respectful opponents. We gave each other space and respect our lines, but had some great battles. First race after the qualifying series and it was like bowling…and I was a skittle 😢

[@niklo322]

The game should recognize when a guy drives full throttle into a corner without touching the breaks once to just insta ban him

[@Hokiebird428]

They really should just implement the ghosting system from Horizon. I may not be as much of a fan of Horizon as I am of Motorsport, but that was definitely something that Playground Games did well. If two cars are within x distance of each other, with a difference in velocity of y, and their trajectories indicate a collision rather than a high-speed overtake, then just ghost the faster car. This would also eliminate the problems of backmarkers just parking in the middle of the road to cause as much chaos as possible.

[@Bennybot90]

I agree with this. Would make the online much more enjoyable. I love doing the featured multiplayer but find myself pretty burnt out with the shit show after a few races and go back to rivals. Seems like if you don't qualify in the top 5 you get ram jammed in corners by people who don't give a crap about their safety rating or using their brakes so they use other people as a brake.

[@slipkout2155]

sometimes you just gotta send someone to the shadow realm, worth the 4 secs

[@Doragonguro]

😌👌

[@Scottoest]

People who drive like that should just be banned from the online portion of the game, period.

[@MrFrosteyes]

those rammers are reminding me of the grand race in crew motorfest, where bad players try to tackle others out so they miss the checkpoints

[@Atonam_real]

Shingo really loves this game

[@Handyandy8888]

They need to find a way to shadowban all the rammers so they will be all put in the same race to find who is the best rammer of them all

[@Oddball_E8]

Back when I used to play Forza Motorsports (2, 3 & 4) I ran full-contact lobbies with full damage on. That would deter most rammers. And when one eventually joined (Because there's always one), I'd make it my mission in life to keep that person off the track until they left voluntarily, letting everyone else get their race on. Sadly, most people assumed I was a rammer when they joined, because I love running grip-tuned musclecars (and back in those days, most people running muscle cars were rammers). But when they noticed my driving most people realized that I wasn't a rammer and stayed to play.

[@renatoigmed]

it reminded me of the old days of TOCA Race Driver (the first one from 2002) online... it was so chaotic that it was fun to see the monster lag stopping players behind and teleporting them forward making the cars in front of them slingshot in such a way brutal that they flew off the runway.

[@RexRenart]

Toca race driver license on sixth genration video gaming system, the good old memories... ^^

[@SumoPoweredAlanLi]

Wow the stewards in this game can DSQ a rammer! Bravo!

[@Nathann95]

This game is better because after you get rammed you win a penalty too :D that's nice!

[@kelvinst185]

New Forza, same rammers. The LFA sounds good tho!

[@walteringle]

really? I thought forza absolutely butchered the sound of whats usually such a beautiful sounding car

[@tomjordan9359]

Yeah the FH5 version sounds heavenly

[@Nick_916_]

There isn’t a single good sounding car in this game

[@drkilledbydeath87]

The LFA sounds so much worse in this game than in previous titles, horizon included.

[@pepelaugh4091]

Time to visit a doctor. LFA sounds garbage in game.

[@youngdalai]

i love having to practicing for 20 mins just for someone to do this half the race

[@nukonukospiritr8862]

2:55 Certified double crash moment

[@LeCumminz]

That exhaust upgrade really changed the sound of the LFA. Now it jus sounds like how it would if Yamaha didn’t get involved.

[@driftermorrelo]

Imagine the stewards stewarding this race. They would have an hours worth of investigations by the second corner.

[@ozer928]

UloTen, if you're reading this, you're an absolute and a certified s.o.b.

[@johnydnb]

I know It’s hard sometimes but if you can qualify top 5 you normally leave all the rakers behind.

[@unlimitedbagels]

I played online a little bit the other day and got rammed, like a sly ram from the side a few times. I don't have years of experience with FM games but I'd imagine that there's not much you can do about it because of the mainstream status of the game. A separate ranked lobby with requirements would of course help those who need it, but other than that it's just a waiting game until a large portion of those players get bored and stop playing. The only other thing could be to have an invisible wall around cars (very thin margin), almost like a hitbox. So if someone gets too close, they are hitting that "wall" and it doesn't affect you at all. This could be added to casual lobbies but I'm sure it would not be easy in terms of the game design I guess.

[@MichaelOswalt]

When you go back to the beginning of the video and realize the turn 1 crash was caused by the same guy

[@juans.santos5529]

0:16 the bmw with decal from nfs pro street XD but playing like destruction derby

[@DarkPatro56]

It's been so long and neither AI has gotten good enough nor people have realized that PvP with randoms has always been the absolute worse you could go about in gaming.

[@denimpantz]

I can’t praise you enough for how well you keep your composure. I would’ve just flat out spun him bc that’s ridiculous

[@RC-qh7gq]

One thing I gotta hand to Forza online, you can pretty much drive what ever car you want and you’re not limited to a few choices I don’t think I saw a repeated car this whole video

[@mrturismo]

Did a 15 minute practice session..qualified 1st..and in the first corner was sent to oblivion by a dive bomber... game is fun when you find a decent lobby

[@n99volt]

Great race! That seemed super frustrating but you had a great finish in spite of it. And that overtake on the Corvette at the end, nice!

[@awesomemazda04]

Bro has DRIVECLUB soundtrack on his outro. What an OG 🏎️

[@samash4917]

I nvr watch FM vids for clean racing that’s usually a rarity in itself lol. I just view them for the ensuing chaos that always erupts in them lol

[@nov3316]

that black AMG was a mean sounding machine!

[@Z3RN0]

4:04 😂

[@jwhinkle]

It’s true to real door to door racing. Starts and into turn 1 are always cluster f. You can see it in some of my actual race videos in the real dodge challenger TA at vir and road america on my feed. The game is pretty realistic

[@FarmYardGaming]

The sound is so close, yet so far somehow. Like it has the tone somewhere but not the pitch, and yet it sounds familiar. I enjoy it, because naturally I do, but it's intriguing.

[@bullmilk]

Make every driver a ghost for the first 30 seconds of each race. This would alleviate the first turn dogpiles and give the better drivers time to separate from the pack.

[@BOCAJUNIORSJUVENTUS]

Lol…😅 Great driving from UloTen S88 ! That it is a racer !😊

[@L4tinoR4g3]

Wow the LFA sounds nothing like the LFA. How immersive.

[@lazymaverick5118]

Packed grids. Standing starts. Opening laps can be a bit messy. But then thankfully its not too bad

[@acejase]

Still learning about the Motorsport lol been playing horizon 5 lately😂

[@TonicofSonic]

Still better than dropping into a PP race only to find the fastest guys glitched their cars into double the HP you have like every GT7 custom lobby.

[@ExoticBankai]

This was really cool !

[@wolfgangkoeppen52]

once the driver rating system works its magic the racing will get a lot cleaner (if your clean that is, if you ram you'll be stuck with rammers)

[@jcaashby3]

That is what I and many are hoping that in time players like this will not be placed with higher rated players.

[@dez7roy3r]

I think Forza should have something like CSGO had when i used to play. They should let the players report the rammers/cheaters to others (with great reputation) players that want to, review the report (a replay) and decide if the reported player deserve a ban or a penalty for the acts (and then stay out of online races for few days/weeks/for good) 🎉 Ps: next race get the Carrera GT! 😍

[@masonracing98]

that lfa is fast! I should finish that campaign lol

[@Z06Boss23]

No, no, he didn't slam you, he didn't bump you, he didn't nudge you... he *rubbed* you. And rubbin, son, is racin'

[@jabcmw1]

Your best lap was 14 seconds faster then anybody elses!

[@erja1337channel]

now this is a race between rammer and you

[@koenigseggdubstep9837]

Wow, the LFA sounds amazing! My name is also Bruce Wayne!

[@BOCAJUNIORSJUVENTUS]

At 04:10 oh yeah ! What beautiful stock car action…Oh no a DQ ! 😢

[@evil_yellow_ranger8346]

What in the actual hell is wrong that loser? He should have been dq'd way sooner. And a dq should ban you from playing online multiplayer for a set time. These people need extremely strict punishments or this game will never be decent online.

[@horizon_angel]

Ofc there's always one rammer around us, why can't they just implement the ghosting system that's available at FH5 now? It's probably won't stop rammer, but at least it's keeping everyone save from them

[@fanisgelis9980]

Why dies the lfa sound like my washing machine

[@sideezy1550]

Private lobbies with people who want good competitive and clean as possible racing is the only way!!

[@UnknownGamer-cw3uo]

Also modders are back in swarms too got into lobbies with people who were level 700+ and doing laps 3-5 seconds faster than possible it’s shocking it was good for a week but now it’s just the same old forza multiplayer experience

[@Antidepressiva1980]

Yep and X class are racing in A class lobbies , somehow snitched in since saturday, lol .

[@digitalsoldierxp9027]

The LFA always sounding beautiful

[@pkrskinkaphant4612]

it sounds so much worse than every other game

[@Spherz]

@@pkrskinkaphant4612Gran turismo moment

[@pkrskinkaphant4612]

@@Spherz im talking about every other forza game lmao my bad for not clarifying. compared to every other horizon game with an lfa, the lfa in the new motorsport game sounds really bland and toned down

[@drkilledbydeath87]

It really does sound pretty shitty in this motorsport compared to horizon 5 for example.

[@galliman123]

Bro FM4 LFA sounds better than this

[@Brozay401]

That LFA can fly✈️, and that idiot got himself kicked out for ramming😂

[@brockl1269]

They should be able to implement in the the code that if you hit someone and stay on the gas like that then you are banned for 30 minutes. 4 seconds isn't enough to stop them and you lose more than 4 seconds of pace.

[@BryanRo77]

I haven't felt that twinge since 2016...LOL

[@SpitfireTheWolf]

Of course the main rammer is a BMW driver

[@TheDude-xp4vb]

It just a normal day in Forza

[@IAgamG]

Chisato will cry if she listen to the LFA's car sound in forza motorsport

[@-PR0METHEUS-]

Did a couple safty rating races last night and had two different people in two different races use me as brakes and pit maneuver me into the wall. The online races is a complete cluster fuck, they should have put every car in ghost like they did in FH5.

[@TheMVPLove]

Great driving 🚗 I'm sure u would have been in the top 3 🥋

[@DarkAnomaly]

Somebody rammed into me recently causing me to go off the track and spin out of control yet I was the one who got penalised 🤣🤣

[@boziewz6125]

We all miss a breaking point from time to time more so in close quaters. But rammers are taking the piss a little on forza at the moment.

[@AustinGMRS]

5:03 music to my ears

[@crownless236]

The worst part is you cant even beep 😢😢😢 you can only text chat in pain.

[@surrakasurovec3641]

The first turn the right one where u slowed down just ease off the throttle it’s much faster

[@fevrie_sigabud]

Vote kick feature would be nice

[@valkgh]

I was about to watch final destination but I saw you uploaded a video❤

[@xWhiZZy]

safety rank s and 4989 ranking here - no rammers, pretty tight races all the time.

[@notmycat]

I noticed in rivals the times are realistic. Hopefully they’ll stay that way.

[@pedinhuh16]

I see that the game took a page out of GT7's attrocious penalty system and punishes the victims of rammers too, Glorious 😊😊😊

[@loosh_2089]

the forza gran turismo comparison is doomed from the start against forza because most of their playerbase just doesnt understand driving or motorsport at all and because of console exclusivity they are stuck with these ppl

[@NJDJ1986]

@2:33 looks like I found the rammer! what an... !

[@ZPaul_]

Man you’re better than me cuz if I was in that situation that BMW driver would’ve gotten sent to the shadow realm.

[@thuaphong2704]

ramming people look so funnnn

[@mohammadalmuzayyan7147]

True, even then I still ram people, only because i drive differently

[@Onyx-The-Synth]

It wouldn’t be Forza game without rammers. It’s inescapable

[@MvalzCreative]

It's very hard to race online with poor latency. Opposing cars fly across the track and it's impossible to avoid. I hope Forza will have more stable servers cause i hate knocking people off the track.

[@DontCallMeScooterrr]

I haven't seen anything quite this bad, and some races have been spotless and a blast past the Turn 1 mayhem, but when they're bad, they're BAD

[@matrinezkevin11492]

9:33 im pretty sure thats not a "C4 Z06" since you know, those never existed but w.e you say Forza.