Forza Motorsport Still Doesn't Feel Ready After A Year of Updates

[@HokiHoshi]

So I just want to make a little update - a few of you guys gave some helpful tips for finding good lobbies, etc and I did jump back in for 2 more races (mx5 cup race and another touring car one) and they did fill up and I did have time to practice and qualify! They were actually pretty fun races, clean racing all around and definitely a good example of the game being fun when it works. I did spin on a bugged curb in the mx5 though 😅 kinda forgot that can still happen...

[@EGHeartattack]

I was actually in your lobby! I had just got back on the wheel after taking a 6 month break from Forza and I had a good time in the mx5 spec races. There was a bunch of fast drivers in that lobby and everyone was racing clean. The 3 race marshal tags might have contributed to do though. 😂

[@HokiHoshi]

@@EGHeartattack Oh funny, someone knew me in the touring car lobby too! Yeah there were definitely some quick drivers in there & I spun on a curb pretty early on but it was still a blast fighting my way around in the mid pack, especially fine because I didn't have a tune or anything lol, but yeah everyone was racing really clean and I had some good battles the whole way through, didn't notice until the end that I wasn't the only marshall, it was quite the stacked lobby 😅

[@succulenttrash3343]

@@HokiHoshi the MX5 cup is probably one of the best events in Forza Multiplayer and i really wish it wouldn't be rotated out and it would stay permanently because its so fun

[@lukascholaj6842]

What do you need to do for better lobbies anyway? It feels like its a 1/10 chance to get a remotely competetive lobby

[@chakky533]

perhaps, let us know what those tips were? thanks

[@DustinEdenYT]

The main problem for me with FM8 that can never be fixed through updates is the lack of soul, personality and character. Going back to FM2 recently was almost a bit of a culture shock to me. Seeing how creative the menus and overall art style were, how interesting the event selection and car list were, and of course how much the soundtrack slapped. Forza used to be the "cooler" alternative to Gran Turismo, now it's somehow more sterile and neutered than it. At this point I think they should just work on the next game, if there will ever be another one after this

[@succulenttrash3343]

It feels so corporate. And unfortunately so many games and companies are heading that route. It feels so soulless lodging into the game, seeing a boring garage where i can only see 4 of my favorite cars or of 600+ cars, listening to some half baked hotel lobby music, and opening the game to the most bland menus I've ever seen. Even the forza motorsport logo is bland now

[@fifteen8850]

I kinda have to disagree but go off

[@labombaromba]

FM4 is the correct approach to a more serious tone imo. Instead of neutered and boring, it felt more authentic and classy.

[@s0cks1985]

It's no surprise once you realise there was no culture at Team 10 due to limited time staff contracts that meant a high turnover.

[@AKK5I]

It's the same with GT7. They tried to do this mishmash of old school GT4 menus with a modern avant-garde aesthetic but it feels soulless in comparison to GT Sport.

[@SALEENS7GTR5]

It's a game made by a group of rotating interns. That's what Microsoft wanted. These are the results.

[@simeonyves5940]

Thank Goodness the 18/6 Contract is *illegal* in the UK so Horizon 6 won't be affected like this!

[@GregoryShtevensh]

DEI game. Look at Turn10s group photo as of this game launch

[@theedgybeatle]

Microsoft truly has an amazing library of ip's but they continue to fumble the bag at every turn whether it's mismanagement or just stupid decisions, one of them being said rotating interns, having your new person learn what the previous person did or coded is a psychotic game of telephone

[@rinrevo]

@@GregoryShtevensh stfu bigot/racist. this is greed, not whatever the fuck you are propaganidized by

[@Sevatar_VIIIth]

And they were paid obscene amounts of money for it....still are. Why would they even consider changing?

[@krishacz]

Crazy how all the machine learning and highly complex algorithms result in AI drivers that arguably drive worse than in games from 10+ years ago.

[@s0cks1985]

I could almost handle the "I will hit you from behind" but I HATE the "I will park on the apex in front of you".

[@xDriver69x]

And yet Sony with Sophy is just mind blowingly fantastic. It's more Polyphony Digital has a culture of quality and art and leads to Sophy, while the rest are MBA morons who just want cheap garbage and it's a rush to the bottom... kzbin.info/www/bejne/aH6ZkHSMi9aZbJY

[@Sujiceel]

at this point just bring back rubberbanding, they feel a lot more alive and real.

[@danielstokker]

Forza doesnt have machine learning Ai come to gt7 we will show you sophy

[@KompadoodleLEL]

its been awhile since i played gt4 but i remember thinking the ai there was miles better than fm8’s

[@NafaratMiyaMiya]

Red Bull liveries tend to cause drivers to go wide on turns and keep position... haha.

[@jeffreyt02]

😂😂😂 yeah, these guys got their MAXimum effort mode on

[@qhu3878]

people with redbull liveries think they're verstappen when most of the time they're just kvyat

[@ami_87]

They would have to unrecognizably redesign the whole core of the game for it to appeal to me, new tracks and cars and small technical improvements won't cut it at this point.

[@HokiHoshi]

This is true for me with the singleplayer for sure. The multiplayer has "a good core" imo, but they would need to completely rip out and replace the "career" for me to take any interest in it at this point. I know you've also been playing through GT4 Spec II and...I mean the contrast between the two is just WILD

[@fifteen8850]

Nah, not really

[@southwestphilomath807]

Motorsport has fallen far since Motorsport 4. A real damn shame frankly.

[@CrashBandiii]

FM4 was my first and last Forza game. I'm glad the memories haven't been tainted by this title

[@michaelbell9120]

Truth

[@vakill26motta]

The ugly truth.. but you tell that to its community (especially on reddit) and you'll get crucified.. people LOVE huffing copium to justify paying for this crap.. i paid for it.. and it will be the last one since i haven't played id since update 3 or 4 lol

[@danielainger]

Yep 4 was epic but I guess games were made with passion in mind not about making the shareholders happy.

[@UItimateGuitarCovers]

It's such a shame 😢

[@henryswint7792]

In fairness to the game and your gripe about the practice length, the session is 17 minutes at full length, which is plenty for anything beyond the Nord or Lemans. You just joined the lobby right before the race was scheduled to start

[@succulenttrash3343]

In order to bring back customers, they're gonna have to do what GT7 did and basically make a Forza 2.0 update i feel like. This game is so soulless and bland compared to almost every entry before it. They need to overhaul the campaign to give us more permanent events instead of FOMO events, they need to put more care into the multiplayer and make it more competitive by adding race stats and more events. The menus need to be changed entirely to look less coroporate and more inviting. And they need to do what The Crew is doing and abandon always online

[@charlienash1050]

Gran Turismo 7's 2.0 update was barely anything and didn't fix that game at all. So it will do even less here.

[@succulenttrash3343]

@@charlienash1050 im saying they need to do something similar. Like yeah GT7 2.0 didnt fix everything but Forza definitely needs to at least follow suit and also do WAY more to keep people on this game

[@charlienash1050]

@@succulenttrash3343 Forza needs an entire game development's worth of work to be anything decent after this. Microsoft knows this, hence the game's pretty much been silently confirmed to be abandoned.

[@succulenttrash3343]

@@charlienash1050 i dont even think Microsoft knows this cuz if they did they wouldn't have ever invented that 6 month Dev cycle. Stupidest thing they've EVER done.

[@im2fast4u711]

​@succulenttrash3343 Microsoft didnt invent it, its a United States law, its so companies can't continually employ "temporary" workers and never have to give them benefits etc. This isnt a new thing, its been around for a decade, theres been multiple forzas made this way. The difference with this game was the amount of time it took, coupled with the amount of temp workers. Normally the turnaround for a motorsport game was 2 years. This meant that most temp workers could theoretically be around for 3/4 of development. This game took around 4-6 years to make so odds are not one thing in the game was ever started and completed by the same person. Halo Infinite had some of the same issues and in the end both of these franchises have been severely damaged if not ruined by these development decisions.

[@nolansmith571]

I forgot about this game. I played it for 3 days after release and it was so bad that I just forgot about it. Crazy it's been a year 😂

[@Perfumery_by_Sabin]

Same, played like a week and uninstalled. Saw the update and drift mode notification on my Xbox hub and could care less

[@FH4Player6397]

​@@Perfumery_by_Sabin *Couldn't care less

[@captainlockes2344]

I played it for a few hours and quit after running into a game breaking bug where the race just immediate ends when I crossed the finish line from the starting position.

[@existentialselkath1264]

The game STILL doesn't contain everything promised before launch. Some promises were flat out lies like the nordschleife being rescanned. The marketing STILL uses tech that isn't available to customers. Its unacceptable. They've kept to the same preplanned post launch schedule they probably have on autopilot without seriously addressing major issues when they can tweak things here and there instead.

[@Perseus7567]

Don't address major issues? So they didn't fix the Car Customisation then? They didn't completely re-work graphics? They aren't in the process of overhauling many car sounds? All of which was criticised by players and takes considerable work to fix?

[@existentialselkath1264]

@@Perseus7567 "...When they can tweak things here and there instead." - They removed unlocks and let you buy CP. fix? Kinda. Minor tweak to a fundamentally flawed system? Definitely. It doesn't even serve it's intended purpose anymore, and it's still worse than if it were scrapped. - They absolutely haven't overhauled the visuals AT ALL. The entire lighting model, raytracing features et, tonemapping, material quality, LOD quality, and misc assets like grass are all a massive downgrade from even promo images they post now! They raised the resolution of clouds, moved lights around in the garage, and tweaked the color grading. That's not an overhaul. - The AI is still completely broken after promising something that can compete with pros. Never got fixed. - Many tracks reuse the same surface geometry as FM5-7 despite being outdated and claiming the new physics isn't compatible. Will never be fixed. - SBMM is effectively non functional, despite the game failing to fill lobbies. Never got fixed. Stuff like better sounds or slightly improved contrast isn't fixing core issues and broken promises.

[@McNugget7511]

@@Perseus7567 They actually didn't completely re-work graphics. Effectively they tweaked the lighting then changed nothing about how the game looks or runs. Plus, the "we'll fix the car sounds" talk already happened during Horizon 4 to a very mediocre result. I wouldn't hold your breath on Microsoft or Turn 10 keeping that promise or doing anything more than the bare minimum.

[@Sevatar_VIIIth]

​@@McNugget7511And why would they, they've already killed the shit out of everybody that bought the game and micro transactions since pre-orders were announced. Players get what they paid for, who is truly at fault in this situation?

[@McNugget7511]

@Sevatar_VIIIth It depends if you're conditioned by the seller to blame the customer instead of the one cutting quality and making a business model on deception.

[@stuffandjunkandthings364]

I would be happy if they fix the controller integration to where you can turn off the artificially limited steering angle, fix the stuttering, and quit messing with the physics. I'm stuck playing on a controller (torn rotator cuff in my shoulder -yay being old... not) and the "sim" steering isn't, and the game will automatically steer for you (and mess with the throttle and brakes) with all assists off. The stuttering has been a fly in the ointment since launch, and even though they've "fixed" it already in the patch notes at least twice- it's still a huge part of the experience. With the latest update, they seemingly added a metric crap-ton or rear downforce to every car, rendering every single one of the tunes I have done on all 515 of my cars useless. I have had to resort to making settings changes that no human would ever run in real life to get them to steer. Forza is like buying your dream car, only to find out it won't start cold, misfires constantly, the brakes squeal continuously, the interior stinks, and something keeps poking you in the butt through the seat- AKA, on paper it should be amazing, but in real life it is broken and/or annoying in enough ways that the end result is a miserable experience.

[@thomadan000]

I still play it on and off. Like you said at the end, it’s a casual accessible online racing game, and it’s really the only one on pc. I’m not sure how much I’d still play of it if GT7 ever got ported to pc tho…

[@TooToo246]

If you're just looking for quick fun, but with a bit of sim depth, FH5 can kind of scratch that itch in a weird way. It's an arcade game, but with a lot of sim aspects to it. I mean, it's arcade on the outside, but you really can dive deep with it, so deep the FFB on your wheel can be adjusted to make the car feel like almost the real one.....FH5 is difficult for me to categorize tbh

[@andreasmoller9798]

Assetto corsa evo might actully be a good pick when it releases

[@TheMostSavageOfAllGeese]

GT7 will never be released on PC sadly. I’m going to bite the bullet and buy a PlayStation just so I can play it.

[@JG54206]

I haven’t played FM8 in a while and I’ve just been enjoying FH5 but what I remember most was that the payout from doing races was awful in FM8. Buying my next car to compete in the next series would usually wipe out all my credits that I earned from the last one. Maybe I was missing something. I would usually start from mid field and played on a pretty high difficulty. In previous games that was more than enough to build credits and never be wiped out.

[@TheRPDizzle]

I remember being blown away by FM3 - that track where you race around the Spanish mountains was so cool and picturesque. Haven't had the same wow factor since then. Enjoying Forza Motorsport but I've only just picked it up and play fairly casually. Can't say I've seen the same level of driving standards in my lobbies 👀

[@munkytaint666]

I desperately wanted FM8 to be great, and I was really looking forward to its release; BEFORE I knew about every promise made to fans would be broken, just like the game. I still play FM8 from time to time (albeit rarely) bc there's genuinely some things I love about the Motorsport series. But overall, it's still a broken, hearbreaking MESS and a full year of updates later, I have zero hope that this game will ever climb out of the bottomless pit it's dug for itself. (especially when you consider the current player count... I mean, can MS and T10 really afford to keep throwing $ at a game when there are SO FEW people still even playing it?)

[@Sevatar_VIIIth]

Wait till you see what the next game has in-store for ya!

[@farmerJ-zp9dj]

Well from the Start they alienated the Casual offline players , elite painters & the casual online players with Online only ( biggest & dumbest mistake) a non existence Campaign & tedious upgrade progression , no offline save progression all the while asking for top $$$ for a beta bug riddled game . Turn 10 Devs & Higher ups have no clue of car culture anymore or listening to the customer base , their over ego'ed entitled arrogant attitude is why people have moved on to other racing games . I for one was a fan of previous FM , so glad I didn't waste any of my money on this rubbish & invested in other complete racing games with better & more content & OFFLINE Mode . FM8 is 🗑️

[@alexbrewer3675]

Forza released stats on the 1 year release birthday - so they have them. Why don't we?? Motorsport is about 10th's of seconds improvement, but we cannot even see how many podium finishes we have had let alone car/track/lap metrics ....

[@frozetti434]

Newer games i feel should drop the accessibility charade and go back to making games competitive. I feel like Forza Motorsport fell into that. They were so worried about making the game playable even if youre blind to worry about massive missing parts of the game. Sp frustrating

[@landmine55]

My biggest issue is still the frame pacing. I CANNOT get a “smooth” experience even with a 4070rtx and a 7700

[@SUP3RDAD84]

You can scroll to the next lobby to the right, they’re just putting you in the soonest available by default.

[@suffocater663]

If thiswould have been the release state of the game, it would have been an ok start. Now it is abandoned by players, for good reasons. Kinda sad, it is the first game where I have a good feeling with the controller in cockpit view.

[@USSAnimeNCC-]

Clear it needed more time but they prioritize investor who could've made more money if they were made to wait

[@KTR_ProrataEevee]

The wierdest thing is this game is supposedly in the top 40 most played for xbox games

[@NikosM112]

@@KTR_ProrataEevee Until AC evo is released. FM is already dead on pc.

[@fifteen8850]

@@NikosM112ac evo is nowhere near as accessible as FM

[@KTR_ProrataEevee]

@@NikosM112 Every time i see ac evo, i'm always conflicted (on the one hand i think it will do well, but on the other hand... if the controller support is anything like original ac, its ded on console)

[@Psychoh90]

Hi Hoki! Thanks for this detail covers. I stopped playing FM back in December. Good to see the game has seen some pretty big improvements. Would u do a new wheel setting video based on the new state of FM? Last one was fantastic

[@wolfyhalfmoon819]

The ai braking for no reason REALLY pisses me off...like, why? its just bad.

[@kireta21]

AI doesn't have 3x normal grip anymore, but it's still dumb Forza AI that only follows drivelines on full assists, so they needed that grip. Now they kinda work on cars with naturally ton of grip, but put them into muscle car, BRZ or old sports car, where letting rear slip is the only way to fit in corner at reasonable speed, and every corner feels like brake check.

[@aono335]

Depending on when you played it, the stutters came with the last update and were patched recently

[@HokiHoshi]

Thanks, yeah I saw that there was a hotfix for update 13 that said it fixed stutters in prac/quali - all this footage was after that hotfix anyway though

[@aono335]

@@HokiHoshi ah I see. Welp. Hasn’t happened on my end maybe coz I’m on Xbox and not PC

[@bfife22]

Agreed. The game a year later feels like the bare minimum of what it should’ve been at launch. On console with a controller, it’s solid. With a wheel or on PC in general, it trails behind other sims

[@Dan86_ASD]

the rating never changed for me after almost a year of not playing.

[@nikolaig1]

For me they need new cars and tracks every month. I'm not impressed if they don't in 2025

[@dominicreid7434]

Rivals (Time attack) is where this game shines in single player. Haven’t engaged in much else. Just feeling out different cars on different tracks. Kind of feels like simulating being an automotive reviewer with track access.

[@Vin80_]

The removal of the upgrade system’s unlock method simply gave FM the same problems that 8 wasn’t supposed to have; a lack of progression. Instead of just reworking the system to be more engaging, less tedious, and even basic stuff like keeping the ranks on duplicate cars would’ve done a lot more to give the game progression it heavily needed. It tells me the devs simply don’t care anymore.

[@simeonyves5940]

The "Dev's" are just a constantly Rotating Carousel of Woke, Inexperienced and Incompetent (Woke and Incompetent being Synonymous!) Interns who have, in many cases, never worked on a Game before!

[@Past1no]

You don't obtain progression by forcing players to use a single car for hours on end just to unlock springs and dampers. You need to make the game feel like you're actually doing something, they just need to remaster fm4 and they'll have a great game on their hands

[@Vin80_]

@ you ignored like half of what I was saying, which is to make the very flawed system less flawed and more feasible for players. We don’t need remasters when most of this industry needs to try something new.

[@Past1no]

@@Vin80_ yeah sure but what can you do different in "sim" racing games? Forcing people to drive a car for 3/4 hours in order to use upgrades is evidently not the way to go, many of my friends played the game for 2 hours and dropped it when they realized that to play it was either a broken multiplayer mode or an extremely poor selection of single player races, where as soon as you try to race higher difficulty AI it keeps ramming you or brake checking you. Having a single in game credits is and always has been more than enough. Keeping old featured championships for single player and removing car points as a whole would be a good start for example.

[@Past1no]

@@Vin80_ (gran turismo for example has a pretty big and varied single player career that actually feels rewarding)

[@jason40449]

The biggest issue to me is the handling. Every car is like driving on ice, i can barely feel the tire is on its limit. Cars are always understeer, but when it oversteer is so hard to save. Maybe just me, it's hard to correct the racing line by using the controller. I have played multiple racing games by using controller, including old Motorsports. What i can say is this is the worst experience i have ever had in whole Forza franchise.

[@landmine55]

@@jason40449 every car needs to be tuned from the get go and that’s so frustrating to your average person. most tunes on the stores are garbage.

[@Sappytron]

Spectate being a year into the game for 1.0 was.. a choice. Good thing Horizon trained up Spectate-less casting as a medium

[@HokiHoshi]

We're battle hardened from the chaotic mess of Horizon race casting

[@fifteen8850]

Highly doubt it was a choice

[@3DKiwi]

Thanks. You saved me having to reload the game to see if it's in state that's enjoyable.

[@benjaminhigham3624]

17:14 if you join a fresh lobby you get like 20 minutes in shorter races

[@benjaminhigham3624]

agree with your conclusion though. Monthly and sometimes bi-monthly updates are boring only excitement is tracks but it’s so slow.

[@natel7382]

TY for this video.

[@Zenithdraggy]

Damn they added the credits for car parts one update after i gave up on AFKing cars to build them the way i want

[@definetlynoteminem]

I always wished for Ai in single player mode was more flawed, like making mistakes and not always following the racing line and not braking in the most random places imaginable. But it seems like no change was made since motorsport 6 and it affects how little there is to do if you get bored of online or vice versa.

[@uranium3000]

Seeing Asseto Corsa Evo makes me think maybe Microsoft should take the risk and unite Motorsport and Horizon, they have been splitting resources between two really similar Forza games for really long and with todays technologies it doesn’t seem too harsh to ask for a single Forza game with both free roam and competitive circuit racing.

[@GregoryShtevensh]

Been like 6 - 7 months since ive had game pass... This video was helpful, thanks

[@ZedNinetySix_]

Just remember, Gran Turismo has not had any paid DLC since 2012. Says a lot between the differences in Polyphony and Turn10.

[@camrsr5463]

Its a little better.

[@Kylethejobber]

Im running a rx 7900 gre and this game has been great

[@dom6770]

I might be the only one who absolutely enjoyed how the car rating and point system worked before update 6. I played FM for hours through Game Pass and loved it. Now they removed it, without leaving an option to toggle between the systems and it completely ruined it for me.

[@Perseus7567]

Yup. People wanted a grind in their racing games, they added a grind, and people threw a hissy fit. Can't win with gamers.

[@hsdurfee]

I think the lack of true competition in racing games now really stifled innovation and improvements. There really aren’t many options in the sim-lite genre, and the main two options aren’t universally available. So without other games to compare to apart from GT, MS looked at overall industry trends. Gran Turismos devs still retains the Japanese craftsmanship ethic that has faded out of a lot of Japanese businesses in recent years, so they didn’t struggle with direction like a Western dev would.

[@Sevatar_VIIIth]

No, but boy did they embrace the corporate greed fleece the shit out of you with their car unlock/progression system on release aye?

[@rosaria8384]

Honestly they shouldn't have updated the game and just focused on a new project in the end. This game is a disaster from the very start anyway. No update will fix this at all.

[@racdude01]

I play here and there to unlock race suits and the occasional car. I did play through the whole NASCAR update and that was quite a bit of fun the Ai seemed to behave fairly well. It’s really just lap 1 they still tended to struggle

[@chubbs6504]

Its called a Cash Grab. Built from the ground up.

[@senorbeano4868]

I've just picked up Assetto Corsa recently and one thing I noticed about playing it on a wheel is how much more stable and realistic the cars feel. For a Forza that was supposed to be more 'sim focused', the handling isn't up to scratch. Add to this the absolutely lackluster singleplayer, multiplayer problems, bugs, lack of content; and I really think this is the most disappointing Forza of all time. Really not worth it

[@Ps3OL]

Bro I agree so hard, I tried enjoing it but i feels like I am palying on some god difficulty mode, where even a simple car that should be fun to throw around a corner, is a battle because if I am only like 1% off the perfect line it starts to slip. I switched to the controller and it was night and day difference, the car was on rails and I was instantly putting down faster laps than I could on the wheel after having a good session of practice.

[@kyperactive]

To be fair it was never really "built from scratch" as the tagline proclaims, so this is to be expected.

[@yoyogavri7253]

Nice video Hoki. I personally too have been out of the loop from around the removal of the carpg system. It is definitely nice to see that there have been noticeable changes from launch. By no means would I consider this game feature complete, but it is a huge difference of where we were before. This game was also delayed prior to launch, still hurts to see how it presents itself still. Audio cues on proxy radar was a major miss, something that I too was looking forward to to bring the crew chief in more. The crew chief was something that was flexed a bit back on pre launch promo, a shame that they didn’t bring the crew chief in more. The lobby size issue for the MP section sucks. And I have a feeling it’s not over allocation of players, but a low active player count. I’m not sure how FM handles regions and combinations for these lobbies. Skill rating is a tricky subject. I still also think it’s quite easy to rank high, but I can comfortably say that you are in the competitive bracket of players. I think that’s the curse of being in the upper echelon of players. Not calling out people’s skill, but I think the system is too easy for people, but if they made it more difficult. The rare and casual players or sometimes I refer to them as the gamepass players, would not gain a great experience and hate it more. While the game itself isn’t really done, a point you made at the end of the video, I do think it’s been fairly impressive on how much they have accomplished on cars, tracks, spec mode, replay mode, drift mode, FRR improvements, optimizations, etc. Yeah it’s not perfect per se, but they could’ve just dropped the ball and let it die. But the fact that effort is still being put in, while the cards are figuratively against them is truly a testament of dedication and passion to the studio. This is pretty much a ramble at this point, so I’ll wrap it up here. I think, as a community member, but also someone who’s a consumer and not an employee (so take this with a grain of salt), T10’s order of operations is to continue to tackle optimization, stability, FRR and AI behavior. From there, bring the cool spec and rotating series to a more permanent schedule. Now that could be wasted resources for hosting these races, I’m just thinking out loud. Take a note out of GT7 and overhaul the career. Don’t force us to learn the car on a track by making us beat a certain time. Use the crew chief to give us pointers. Where to throttle, where to extend, where to use track limits to our advantage, teach us HOW to drive. Universally. So that can directly reflect on these SP and MP races. From there, give the community more data. I’m tired of saying this as a developer and as someone who has built several stuff for the comp community. If the above is done, and more data for races, replays, spec mode, etc. is made; and the game is RELIABLE and STABLE, that is when sponsors and big name streams and broadcasts can be brought into the light. It’s all about putting your name out there, give the advertisers, the esports groups, the broadcasters, and the community tools they need to put the FM name out there. I’m just a small guy in a sea of consumers who own this game, but Forza put themselves in this evergreen title situation. There is no bail out. Continue on the track of improving the game, give the community the ability to market the game and bring in new faces, and let that cycle commence. anyway sorry for the long ramble, nice video Hoki. EDIT: I am very aware that it takes a while to choose ideas, implement them, test them and release them. But why do I feel the common theme of these big flashy game changing features being released, but it just feels so feature incomplete. Proxy Radar, but no crew chief callout Career Mode, but not teaching the player on how to race and how to read the track and how to control different types of vehicles across different classes Spectator Mode, but we cannot have 24 players + a spectator, and missing data out to allow for custom spectator suites Livery Editor, but not to the extent of FH5 with the potential shared codebase Next Gen Performance, but an open world game runs better and smoother than a track racer I'm not trying to minimize the dev's work, I just feel like a bit more time, a bit more community input, and the suits allowing more creative direction could allow for more features to be released with greater and more positive response. YYG

[@danbucsa4599]

This game is a joke. I was so upset I bought it, I decided I would never buy another game from Turn 10 again. I installed it just to see if it changed since last year with this RTGI update. Still garbage.

[@71Chevelle1989]

The game that made me keep an Xbox since it was released is now just a soulless shell of what it used to be. It's sad

[@joshbacon8241]

It's pretty much the Cyberpunk 2077/Sonic '06 of the Forza series.

[@japanesecar1501]

@@joshbacon8241 Cyberpunk was eventually taking real strides, Forza is still in "No man´s land". "Built from the ground up", and such. Unless a wave of development revelations comes "awash", "prepare" to see people rightfully repeating what qualities were promised and hinted at, 18 months later from now, and maybe 3 yrs, until FM rebrands its "one and done, final Forza" again. To me, the whole thing about "problems and haters everywhere- who is right?" is really standing on the shoulders of extremely undercooked and samey engine/technical debt- wing it with style and flashyness- "gameplay" optimization, kind of development mantra. Can´t "optimize", or "art yourself out of a hole", when the engine/tools aren´t willing. "UI changes are really hard to implement." -T10 The culture of it takes 2 weeks to do Anything, and the lack of expertise and systems of resolution in house is analogue to not having the right know how onboard. The initiator- publisher and "dev company", had aeons to make it work. Little initiative, and "money spent already"= "it´s a fail" kind of post launch development, same as FM7, which continued to get worse from FM5 and 6. If there was a real push to improve on a REALLY FAULTY product, things would have happened already. But the game is what it is, people kind of play, and it is bouncing off some limited inputs the environment provides. If there was a real vision, the UI and overall options would be Awesome, and as polished as one can hope for, but the game really is what it is. "We are working on awesome improvements", said the spokesperson speaking for the 5 guys doing something on FM7.. The content dripping, repeating silence, Drag racing, FRR, with 2 slices of prolonged silence, and suddenly, A NEW FORZA IS COMING, after blueballing the playerbase for ages about improvements to FM7.. Well, where are few Vital programmers, whom you should be paying 500k a year, who wouldn´t make a dent in your finances? Same with Halo and their "awesomely spaghetti" Slipspace Engine. Save 20million, to lose out on 200.

[@anub1s15]

"am i doing something wrong?" maybe i gave up on qualifying after i got divebombed back 4+ places a couple of times. but then i just drive the cars i like (supra's, MR2's, AE86's / 86's) so i'm not expecting to beat the meta cars that are somehow 3 seconds a lap faster then me (despite my cars feeling pretty good) i just start at the rear and work my way forward sometimes i even manage to get on the pedium as everybody up front was to busy murdering each other :P did manage to place 1st with one of my supra's ^^ (the lightest weight one so i didn't need to pit...everybody else did only reason i won :P)

[@DLP_Racing_505]

My problem with this game is,it was stated that this was the top of the line sim. What was I given? A game where slight braking causes the car to spin and can’t trail brake three corners but instead have to brake hard then turn in and cost then gas

[@Sevatar_VIIIth]

That's real life difficulty and struggles intended to simulate life up and fking you for no good reason.

[@spelaoxy]

Just finished FH7 and as a fan of FH games since the first game i did have a lot of fun now its time to try the new one and i hope its not that bad as people say becouse im kinda sad for the direction the game is going in....

[@ssaiyyrissssuzzuyyaa]

The menu of the game being 30 fps despite being on perfomance mode confuses me lmao!

[@---ke3lg]

Seeing a guy plow through your rear bumper at 1:00 sets the tone

[@nikolaig1]

They need to add all the tracks from fm7 in 6 months

[@brawmedia]

After getting a mod from nexus to sharpen the image and the game track loads up ( even though on SSD already ). I've been really really enjoying the game alot . It needed more refinement to work on pc better maybe with powerful graphics cards but imo it has potential to be the best racer to compare with GT on pc . The game does feel asset copy from fm7 alot but tbh GT7 feels like that from GT sport also

[@IPooopdogl]

I was hoping for this "Reboot" Forza Motorsport would fully lean into the simulaton side of things and leave the arcade elements for horizon. I imagine a physics simulation on a similar level to the original Assetto Corsa.

[@Me-eb3wv]

9:57 This is definitely the case I’ve got a 6gb GPU and Forza Motorsport looks amazing on my machine. Even with everything on auto it only takes 3.8gb of vram and it looks amazing

[@FilleIsDaMan]

I find it hilarious they added drifting without open lobbies. Wtfff

[@Xix2g]

I plugged in my PS1 into an old TV to play gran turismo 2 last week. Game is great. What i mean is : It feels so pointless to consider how a racing game looks now ... all the reality+ graphics just make our computers lag out, not the racing better

[@nicholascanjuga6000]

Btw, I've mentioned this so many times on so many videos related to fm8, like 70% of the car models, even from just fh5, they completely messed up the rim, manufacturer color and in many cases the car models themselves from older games, idk how or why but it's extremely frustrating

[@Kaylos29]

The rating and matching system is broken. You can't match on the go. They need to do matching based rating at the end of practice, and fix rating so not everyone can be 4999 rated. No one should be. It should only be a theoretical possibility for 1 person at a time. I actually got a bit of a response that they may look at it in the insider 22:24 forum, but it's not a priority and would require major code changes. They basically blew it off.

[@kspectre21]

The HTCC Series 2 All-Stars race will be held in the Forza Motorsport Void 🙂

[@CrackPipe007]

I ended up in an endurance race by myself last once. It definitely wasn’t fun hot lapping for 30 some odd laps lol.

[@footballj6825]

FOMO is the biggest reason I stopped playing, it would've been better if they added that stuff permanently to the career

[@tyleroutingdyke849]

If its an consolidation i reinstalled fm7 on my xbox one and THERES STILL SERVERS PACKED WITH PLAYERS!!! Honestly super suprised but im enjoying it

[@Babybarschalarm]

It really does feel like that the only reason you would play this game is if you don't have access to GT7. Both games have their issues, but there's just no contest. I just wished GT7 would come to PC.

[@michaeljablonowski5014]

It will never come to the PC cause Pony wants to find more idiots buying a PS5 only for one game

[@ethanwayne6973]

​@@michaeljablonowski5014it's by Polyphony's choice, not Sony. They just don't wanna do it

[@simeonyves5940]

@@michaeljablonowski5014 Actually, Sony are pushing *hard* for a PC Version, its Polyphony themselves who do not want the Game on PC because there is "No PC Gaming Culture" in Japan.

[@Babybarschalarm]

@@michaeljablonowski5014 It was part of the Nvidia leak, and so far every game on that list has released on PC. I see no reason why Gran Turismo 7 wouldn't either. It's free money. The people who play GT or wanted to play GT already have it.

[@woodie228]

They need to fix the oversteer, they need to add vr like msfs 2020 and 2024. The FFB is also not great.

[@derekkemp6445]

You HAVE to try the nascar update! Mandatory pits (on most tracks), equal machinery, road courses and ovals, full lobbies….whats more to ask?!

[@chrisstopher2277]

The benchmark is jacked up. It never says the correct information. Whenever I test the benchmark it feels like it's eating my computer.

[@Player_Redacted]

Touring Series is and has been completely dead in my experience with the game. This game fills a very specific niche for me, which is just to scratch the itch when I want to race GTE/3s, but don't have the energy to hop in the sim after work. The Endurance lobby is usually reasonably populated until about 11p Eastern, where it starts to go from 12-18 car lobbies (I think I have only ever seen one full lobby in my 225 hours of gameplay) to something more like 5-10 car lobbies, and once you hit midnight it drops to 3-6 car lobbies. Still kinda sad considering the hype this game had before launch. As for the practice time thing, you can get 20mins of practice, but you have to join the second the lobby opens. Races are held on a server side schedule, and practice starts as soon as a lobby opens for people to join, regardless of whether there are actually players there or not. In the video, you joined two races that were already about 13mins into their 20min practice sessions. I do think they should give you more time though, maybe make a dedicated 10min quali session so you don't have to do quali during your practice time? Even if you do camp the menu and join the second the lobby opens, you still only have 20mins to do both practice and quali, which is just not enough. They should also add some sort of visual that shows you that the race you're about to join has already started their practice session as well as the practice time remaining so that those who are willing to wait to have a full practice session can find those races more easily instead of having to learn about it the hard way.

[@Jeffjefferson6]

How much practice do you really need? I feel like 10-20 minutes is more than enough even with qualifying. Even on unfamiliar tracks, I’d say a few really good laps plus the qualifying has me ready to take on the race and know my standout corners and whatnot.

[@0uttaS1TE]

I forgot this game even came out, not gonna lie. It's not even memorably shit. It's the kind of mediocre that just...slides out of your mind as soon as you memorise your grocery list

[@beyond72deepsoulfulhousemixes]

The older games might have had better career modes but they didn't have free play like we have now, at times you were limited to certain cars on certain tracks, which isn't the case with free play. Not saying it shouldn't be better, but if it wasn't for the reward cars, I would happily stick to free play.

[@jorgito1330]

I have been playing Motorsport since launch, the career mode sucks and is honestly a waste of time but a great start for those getting into Sim Racing. I have now had a year of sim racing experience and recently got iRacing. My first impression of iRacing is visually it is not the best game and takes some getting used to, however the tire model in that game is amazing compared to Motorsport. Another thing is the cost of additional content if you want to race a certain series or track say like Spa-Francorchamps with a W12 F1 car, it is about $30 just to do that specific setup. I never understood the price gouging, I have not tried ACC or R Factor, but for now I am still using F1 24 and Motorsport as my main sim games. They are easy to get into for the average user and they are not bad games. Only good to buy them on sale or with game pass (for Motorsport). I would love to get into another sim game, I understand it is an expensive hobby but is iRacing the best for multiplayer? Sometimes cannot justify the pricing on the game.

[@Bordan-The-Jordan]

something i would like to mention about the performance is the framerate being awful might be because of the reflection mechanic, since this game has a different reflection then horizon 5 supporting the game engine, this means the game renders the reflections differently, and they probably did some oopsie's when making the game, this kinda proves it was rushed, but i'm actually kinda impressed that since it was rushed, it turned out to be like this which is actually very much playable....

[@heybos4640]

12:36 I have this issue too. I believe it's been like this since the game launched. The first about 30 sec while in the pits menu, game just stutters. I have a feeling it's something to do with shader optimization of the map itself. Like the game has to do this for every single track. Also about the frame pacing comparisson. I haven't benchmarked it myself but i do notice that the framerate doesn't feel as smooth as it should. Also i think there is a camera stutter issue.

[@Sherlok09]

This stutters in the beginning is happening because of the custom liveries. Just disable the custom liveries for AI and other players and those stutters will disappear.

[@replaysettings]

Forza needs a reinvention at this point. I used to love when this game was top dog.

[@Sevatar_VIIIth]

They can't handle releasing a half-assed decent game with everything their predecessors built and left for them to work off of. You think they have a snowball's chance in hell creating anything worth a damn from scratch? Pfft.

[@audrikvinicius4518]

I'm sorry, but i've been playing it since it came out, and i have to tell you something, the game sucks, if anything it's been worse ever since release and i'm gonna tell you why. The multiplayer used to be 100x better, when the game launched we had variable weather during the race, we don't have that anymore... now the tyre choice doesn't even matter, every race in GT for example it's either Medium - Medium or Hards without pitting, soft becomes a bad choice unless for quali runs. there's no tyre management whatsoever in the game aswell, if you reduce your pace by 2 seconds a lap your tyre wear will be the same as if you're smashing them lap after lap, so... that sucks as well. The penalty system needs some work, the colisions need some work as well mainly to stop people from ruining your race by simply not breaking before a corner, some classes we can't even race because DLC cars are simply too OP. The Matchmaking does not work at all and the endurace lobby's are a failure, they're always empty, when by some miracle you manage to get 10 people to race, 50% quit at the first lap, they should increase the number of player in endurance and make it more interesting to play.

[@HokiHoshi]

Yep, a lot of this actually comes up in the video when I tried out the multiplayer😅 I also decided to head to reddit after making this video and saw that a ton of people are having issues with FRR, random curbs are still bugging out, aerowash still seems to be an issue, etc etc

[@Perfumery_by_Sabin]

Go figure, play to win still reins supreme? SMH hate that shit. Like the bone shaker was

[@ilbroducciore]

It's interesting how this is the perfect example of "to each their own". I've been having quite a bunch of fun with FM since launch with my far-from-bleeding-edge sim rig (TS-XW on a Playseat Challenge, playing on XSX). It's very immersive for me, everything handles great, and the variety of cars makes the game pretty interesting, especially compared to other sim titles that have a more limited car selection. Far from a perfect game, but I actually appreciate the no-frills presentation way more than I yearn for a game with more "fat" on it in terms of extra, non-essential content.

[@xswagavelli7652]

Exactly, i and plenty of others enjoy the game and its racing aspect even on controller. Obv its nowhere near perfect, not even good really but there’s still fun to be had. Ppl just wrote the game off at launch and continue to spew negativity on it

[@ilbroducciore]

Also, the thing I appreciate the most in terms of updates is the drastic decrease in FOMO rewards locked behind single-player tours (via the new Challenge Hub). That was absolute crap, plain and simple.

[@thewalkerxx479]

Delusional.........

[@xswagavelli7652]

@@thewalkerxx479 having an opposing opinion and actually enjoying something is “delusional”….? Nice.

[@ilbroducciore]

@@thewalkerxx479 having fun using a new word you learned today bud? Hope so. Cheers

[@FT__Cool_Stuff______-of5pi]

So.... guys - should I just play FM7 instead??? (I already own FM7 and played before, but haven't played in years)

[@WhiteCranK]

The physics are much worse in 7

[@ScorpionFuel]

Thank u.. i though it was me. I loved all the forza's but this one a timing bomb till u go i am good.

[@BTFWayne]

I still don't feel connected to the track w/ a racing wheel.

[@bernardoberner4]

Im playing it again, cus I dont really have a choice, but Im enjoying it. Its better than PC2 and apart from that game there isnt much choice in Xbox atm. I own Asseto Corsa and Competizione but those arent really controller friendly and not really competitors to FM, theyre proper sims. But Ill probably stop playing it as soon as ACEvo drops on console. It still is a frustrating game to play cus as you mentioned, there are issues that 1 year on, they still havent been able to fix. The physics could use improving, the feedback om the controller, the advanced settings tab on the controller could use some MASSIVE improvements. Im not really happy with the settings these devs have come up with and the only thing we can fine tune in the controller are the deadzones, like wtf dude are you serious? Its a basic feature on any racing game to have, at least, linearity and sensitivity or saturation.

[@dct124]

Black Color. The Toyota Supra didn't have black early on if I'm not mistaken. The colors were dark blues. 8E3 Dark Blue Metallic, 8G5 Dark Blue Pearl, 8J3 Blue Metallic. I assume they had a plain black too for 91 & 92. My assumption is the devs took colors from the wrong years, using the early colors. It's literally just plain black. The other colors are specialized manufacturer colors.

[@HokiHoshi]

They did offer them in black during the year ('92) that the ingame car is modeled after! I think it was literally just called "black" but iirc there was a "black mica" before that. I own a '91 mk3 myself that's black

[@RetrogG999]

I gave up after fm7. I tried to play FM but it just lacks everything a full paid game needs

[@EAprima]

Here are the core things that switched me off this game that prior Forza games more or less provided. If they implement half from this list I'll be happy: 1. *Pure circuit tracks* - No fictional and non-circult tracks. I want to be able to race in Tokyo, the Japan, Canada, Scotland, Gernany, and US mountains. I miss racing in Time Square in Forza 3. I miss racing on Bernese Alps, Pargue and more. 2. *Lack of different type of racing* - There is no off-road, snow, huge puddles, dunes, sand, beach, highway, point to point, no other various type of other racing at all. No rally. Not DOTA. Nothing but pure circuit which can get boring. 3. *No VR* - That is PAINFUL. Really painful. I don't get it. VR can make or break a game. Even Project Cars 3, playing in VR mode completely changed the game and, like GT7, I only ever play it in VR mode. Microsoft not supporting VR for the PC space is nuts. 4. *Lacking Sense of Life* - Why isn't the game abusing the audio and populating the world with more life elements? Where are the animated grandstand spectators with flags, smoke, fireworks, random ones in the most interesting of locations? Where are the jets, television helicopters, drones and planes? If there were fictional and street racing such as racing around Shibuya and Shinjuku, we could have had trains and tons of people on the side. Where are the crazy sounds of the spectators when the race draws closer to its conclusion? This game, like Forza Horizon but what closer to real life, should be pretty bombastic when it comes to sense of life. 5. *Lacking the most impressive picturesque & hyped race track* - Where's Monaco? Where's Valancia? Where's Pescara, Monza, Marina Bay? Combine them with the fictional tracks along with the dynamic weather, time of day & night, and including all conditions such as huge puddles and so on, it shows that Forza Motorsports left so much money on the table. 6. *Graphics still do not look like they do in the trailer* - Even with the graphics set to maximum, why don't they look like they do in the trailer and GT7 still looks superior. My PC trumps a PS5 and the Xbox Series X is superior than the PS5 too, so why is this game lacking? 7. *WHere's my Japan?* Where's my Tokyo highway? Where are any highways? 8. *More extreme weather conditions needed* - Where's the snow? Very high gail winds? Super lightning storms like what happened at the SIngapore GP? Frankly. At this point, Turn 10 might as well go-for-gold by digging up the Project Gotham Street Racer 4 project, get every single assets, master everything and include them all into Forza 9 for Forza 8 is done. I think that's the best thing to do for Project Gotham belong to M$. If they did that, I'll go insane with excitement for we'll have near accurate London, Tokyo, San Francisco, New york, Las Vegas, Shanghai, St Petersburg, Quebec City, Macau Michelin Test track.

[@mikesibanda8688]

Are you playing on pc using a controller? I’ve seen so many pc players complain about the game stuttering and what not but on my Xbox series s apart from it crashing once or twice 4 months ago, I’ve had zero issues at all, track always loaded in, no lag, no stuttering mid race. Now that makes me think, I do not think FM is optimised for the pc properly at all

[@RANDPLAYER]

I'm featured in a clip, winning in life

[@pipedreamin]

13:32 that’s the problem (like there’s only one, but this is the biggest for me) with the AI in this game, the farther back you start, AI between you and lead are just running interference, they’re not racing.

[@Perseus7567]

It's because of their stupid drivitar system, where drivatars learn from real players. Because this is exactly how real players are: You have the good real players, which are mirrored by the AI in 1st or 2nd, and then you have the average drivers (mirrored by the AI in the midfield driving very average) and then you have the slowest/worst players who are mirrored by the ai at the back who don't even race you. This problem with the drivatars has always been a thing since they added Drivatars, even in the Horizon games.

[@tyranus1111]

Not one mention of how they nerfed manual w clutch ruining the entire point.

[@P1RBaller34]

When you did you play during g the week and time zone? Nobody is really on in the middle of the work week until around 4 and most ppl are in GT lobbies touring cars isn’t as popular

[@GamerDaSkater]

You should of felt the drift physics , that’s what is truly carrying the game for me and once they add fujimi kaido. Then it’ll be the best game for me, until then everything else sucks …

[@ghooastmf4937]

I like everything about it except how its like driving on ice n that ruins it

[@WhiteCranK]

That's just a skill issue sorry... Tune your car properly and learn to brake.

[@dln.sweeney]

@@WhiteCranK You shouldn’t have to tune a car to get it to handle predictably out of the box. Forza doesn’t simulate the level of grip that a racing slick at temp should provide. They air on the side of oversteer in an effort to provide a more exciting handling model. It goes beyond braking, the tires and aero just don’t provide the level of lateral grip that they should.

[@pinch-of-salt]

big companies should generally stay away from video games I am very happy with just ac1, even if ace bombs ac1+mods+community is still GOAT

[@Shhteeve15]

If they had this much updated within the first 3 months of launch, the game would probably have been considered "Good" by then.

[@AnchormanMazdaXBL]

Question. If you have no interest in online play, does this game still offer a decent enough single player? Or its hollow through and through?

[@im2fast4u711]

The positives would be it has a large car list, cars are also customizable, they add free cars and tracks, works well on a controller, can work well with a wheel after a lot of adjustments and theres a decent amount of customization options for races in free play. The main negatives for singleplayer are, career mode is pretty useless other than getting the fomo cars, the ai can be fast but for the most part they are truly awful and they can't seem to fix it after actively updating it numerous times in the past 9 months. To really get the most out of the single player, you kind of need to create your own fun. I personally like doing endurance races, so I set up races in particular ways to get the most out of the ai. They have their quirks and when you know what they are you can try to make them usable. If you have gamepass, theres no reason not to try out the game. O dont know how much it costs but I personally wouldn't recommend anyone pay over $20 for this game.

[@AnchormanMazdaXBL]

@ thanks for the breakdown! Sounds like it’s a pass for now!

[@SpeedsterGT7913]

22:52 Translated by Google: If Forza Motorsport really wants to be a simulator and not a video game, it should learn from other simulators such as the upcoming Assetto Corsa EVO, Gran Turismo 7, Iracing, WRC EA Sports and others.

[@patrick247two]

Difficulty must have been set to 'Max'.

[@HokiHoshi]

LOL

[@Subwaygoonfree]

This game feels like what gt sport was to gt7

[@JazzTechie]

GT Sport was actually pretty good. Also had some pretty epic e-sports and youtube streaming content.

[@Subwaygoonfree]

@ I'm saying this game feels like what the next Forza could be if they did everything right, kind of like a cheap early access, and if you played GT Sport when the game came out it felt exactly like that too

[@modzeleski]

Mate, are you sure the settings for the frame rate are not locked? Because on the online races, the frame rate is locked up to 70(it usually stays around 72). I have a i5 12600K and a 3080 ti and my frame rate when I am not online will stay around 80 fps, at 4k, settings on high/ultra. I think the game might too long to recover from the launch, and by then, people will be playing other stuff. They might still have a chance to save the game, but they would have to perform a miracle to get this game looking like the trailers and with a good AI. On the other hand, to me, this is one of the most enjoyable games, when it comes to driving the cars. It is really rewarding and fun, but too bad that the majority of the other aspects of the game are fu***.