Forza Motorsport vs Reality

[@Ilya_Yatsko]

Extremely underrated. Very rarely (even on the big channels) do you see so much effort being put in one video!

[@unreasonablespeed]

Thank you so much! I can't put out these videos often because it takes so much time and money, but I try to go all out for the ones I do 😀

[@Orion55901]

I'm a massive fan of Forza and play almost every day, and I've consistently wondered just how accurate the cars are to their real-life counterparts. This video answers that question very well, and is entertaining! Great work

[@unreasonablespeed]

Thanks! If you haven't seen it, I've also tested Forza Motorsport 7 against my Focus RS. That car doesn't feel like it's changed at all in the new game so it's still relevant.

[@AidenRS]

As a Forza Motorsport player I highly appreciate this video!!! Mid-Ohio is a few hours away, I want to visit so bad!

[@unreasonablespeed]

Glad you enjoyed it. Definitely check out Mid Ohio if you get the chance. Most clubs that run there don't charge any kind of admission for spectators, and there are a lot of good places to watch from. Wreck aside, it's become one of my favorite circuits so far.

[@AidenRS]

Thank you! One of these days I will get out there, once the summer comes it will definitely be on my list of things to do up here in the Midwest 😄

[@the_CatDang]

@@AidenRS haha. same here. Ohio base. I might have to wait til midlife crisis to get my car upgrade. By look at the Mazda, I'm jealous for my GTI. For Forza, I like to race when I have free time, even 5-6 laps. I feel it as a good merging point from a game to reality. I also do multiplayer, even tho I'm slow on wheel but sometimes have really good games and respectful player. but not all the time. lol

[@AidenRS]

@the_CatDang luckily autocross is a local event we have so I am always there 😅 Mid-Ohio visit soon hopefully next summer! Mid Ohio hot laps in Forza is always fun to see the track for me

[@blue0856]

When I clicked on this vid, i thought I was watching a multimillion sub channel 💀. Your amazing honestly. The amount of work needed for this 🥶🥶. Gained q sub :)

[@unreasonablespeed]

Thanks! Getting there one sub at a time! Ngl took me a couple months to put this one together 😅

[@underleft]

When I lived in Taxas, everyone drove with hazard lights in inclimate weather, drove me nuts. Every time I complained about it, people looked at me like I was crazy. Nice to hear someone else say it.

[@unreasonablespeed]

I'm also glad I'm not the only one. It needed to be said 😆

[@christianclaudio1838]

Wow that’s amazing, great video and good work on the track, sorry it ended the way it did. It is awesome to see the real-life MPH on straight lines and curves are rhe same as in Forza Motorsport. Many people make fun of Forza but those have never really tried it, they just focus in how it looks like but never on “how it feels like”. Great work again. Thanks for this content.

[@unreasonablespeed]

Thanks, glad you liked it. I'm stoked that the car ended up performing so close to the real thing. Although my RX-8 puts down about 10% more power on the dyno than most stock cars, so Forza is still exaggerating a little. But to be fair, so did Mazda when they sold the thing 😆

[@CorrosiveDrop43]

Liked for the in depth comparison, subbed for tracking an RX8. There are a dozen of us! A dozen!

[@unreasonablespeed]

I hardly see rotaries of any kind on track anymore, which is sad given it's what the engine does best. The RX-8 is retired from track days and will just be a nice street car from now on. But I'm hoping to track the FD next year. Thanks for the like and the sub!

[@s1lverhand_]

criminally underrated

[@KurumaDesigns]

I thought this video was going to compare the graphics to real life when I first clicked on it, but the actual content was much more interesting! Great work!

[@unreasonablespeed]

Thanks, glad you enjoyed it!

[@gaguilarsti]

Nice video and love how you broke down the variables. I've found in similar attempts, with a focus on w2w racing that FM and most sims, the driver is faster in the sim because of the lack of real world consequences, you always have a perfectly brand new car that works at 100% of its potential every time you start a session. The only thing that degrades is the tire performance over the life of a stint but that's not true IRL. Last, the conditions are basically a lab environment in the game/sim where IRL, even a cloudy or sunny day, the track conditions and wind do have an impact that is pretty hard to quantify. Keep up the videos!

[@unreasonablespeed]

Thanks! I do wish these modern games had more of the little things - heat soak, worn components, etc. I remember back in Gran Turismo 2 you had to change the oil or your engine would degrade. At least they added the ballast, though. That made it a lot closer. Thanks again for the comment.

[@noelpardo8545]

incredible content mate, this is why I watch youtube

[@unreasonablespeed]

Thanks! Nice Vette btw

[@Sharkies86]

I gotta say, i think forza nailed it. The colour pallet and lighting is spot on.

[@unreasonablespeed]

I will say: graphically Forza does an excellent job. I love the variable weather in free play too. You can make some exciting races with it. If you can survive all the AI car pile-ups.

[@Inside-wheel]

you're so luck you got to test the dynamic weather for real 😂🚀 great video great edit bro

[@unreasonablespeed]

Thanks! I do enjoy driving in the rain, even if it is risky. Next time I should test with the stability control on 😅

[@KR4FTW3RK]

Underrated channel!

[@mister.midwest]

Oh- I also loved the comment that "Forza isn't a racing simulator, it's just a game that simulates racing". Cracks me up. No Forza isn't as detailed as iRacing or some other games but it still simulates racing. That's literally what it does. I've found that typically it's the hardcore iRacing dorks making these comments. My theory is that they detest seeing anyone have fun on a sim racing game without spending $10k on a high end rig, gaming pc, and iRacing subscription.

[@KompadoodleLEL]

it isnt a simulator tho lol not one bit the cars domt turn, brakes are horrible etc

[@mister.midwest]

@@KompadoodleLEL Stating that "the cars don't turn" is unequivocally false, proven easily by watching this video. I'm guessing you are being dramatic for some reason instead of stating specific grievances regarding the physics of the game as they relate to turning. Perhaps you can elaborate on what you mean by both statements to help me understand what you are getting at.

[@KompadoodleLEL]

@ pretty simple to understand, the cars barely turn

[@unreasonablespeed]

@@KompadoodleLEL Which car? I've found a lot of handling issues have to do with the weird defaults that Forza has for tires and suspension. Some of the cars do have straight up broken handling until you go in and change it to something more normal. And it resets any time you change parts. For instance, I tried out the Focus RS and it had terrible understeer. Turns out the front tire pressure was set abnormally high by default.

[@mister.midwest]

@@KompadoodleLEL Your comments are actually extremely simple to understand, but only because they are also extremely simple statements. If I take them at face value, they barely even warrant an explanation. In effort to be accommodating, consider this: If someone plays iRacing on a basic, completely stock entry level Logitech force feedback wheel, are they still allowed to say they are sim racing? Logitech entry level wheels are barely worth comparing to high end or even mid-tier direct drive setups yet we all know it's good enough to simulate racing. Nobody is saying that Forza is as good as iRacing, but every single key ingredient is there. One might joke that a crappy frozen pizza "isn't pizza" because it's nowhere as good as the real deal, BUT at the end of the day it's still pizza. If one actually felt strongly about excluding frozen pizza from conversations about pizza, they would need to significantly redefine the actual definition of pizza in order to make it true. Same goes for sim racing. Thanks for attending my Ted Talk.

[@samramg]

That's some dedication man! Really well done and it's so good to see a video without a clickbait title. I am pretty sure the fix cost a lot. So, I hope you earn the required money from your video man! Good luck on the track :D

[@unreasonablespeed]

Thank you! I try not to overpromise in the titles. Oh man, I'll be lucky to get enough to pay for a tank of gas out of this video but that's why I track relatively inexpensive cars 🥲 Thanks again for the kind comment!

[@cheerfuldriver2695]

The car point building and driving model are the main features that make you want to play FM.

[@unreasonablespeed]

Yes, now they just need to work on the AI drivers.

[@ajinillias]

Man, you are so underrated, you need more views. Thanks for this content.

[@unreasonablespeed]

Thanks for the kind words. The comments do help "feed the algorithm" so I appreciate every one.

[@BenjaminKarslund]

I wish the sound was more immersive in Forza. Engine sounds are so important for full immersion.

[@unreasonablespeed]

It varies from car to car. Some of them sound pretty good while others are canned. The RX-8 exhaust note sounds like a kazoo in real life so not much they could do there.

[@GetawayGuyDriver]

Great video, should get way more views as it deserves it. Hopefully your car gets sorted without much trouble. FM isn't arcady imo, it plays more like ac than it does nfs, while it may not have features that iracing, rfactor etc have fundamentally the actual driving is more sim-like.

[@unreasonablespeed]

Thanks! NFS is definitely out there on the arcade end. I would put FM fairly close to AC on the arcade -> sim scale. I really need to do a video on that one of these days...

[@AlexandersArchways]

Shit happens dude! Atleast you came out unscathed. Keep on truckin'. 👍

[@unreasonablespeed]

Yep, always have a back-up car or two 😁 Thanks!

[@the_CatDang]

This is awesome mate. Thank you for the video. I live down close to Dayton and really wanna take my GTI mk5 stage 1 to the track but haven't got gut and expanse for it. I live to one day, but still have to do more work on it. I also play Forza Motorsport on my Moza R5 and loving it. Ppl may make fun of it but I adore the game and like it, race it after work and fun. Best Class is Touring Car for me. Thank again for comparison and the love of sport and game.

[@unreasonablespeed]

Thanks, glad you enjoyed it. You'd have a lot of fun in the GTI, just gotta be extra careful when it's wet. Forza Motorsport can be frustrating but it's still pretty fun to play once you get away from the traffic.

[@admarigraf]

Beautiful video ...In my little i do the same thing comparing the real laptimes (on lapmeta) and trying to getting close...But this type of comparison it's for me a miracle literally!

[@unreasonablespeed]

Thanks! It's always a fun challenge when I go to a track that I can find in a game.

[@XR6NZ]

Awesome video man! What a gem! Hope it keeps appearing in Forza players feeds!

[@unreasonablespeed]

Thanks, so do I!

[@mister.midwest]

One of the best Forza-related vids I've seen! I can't even imagine the agony of slapping a fresh coat of paint on a car just to wreck it shortly after, my condolences. Kudos for the good attitude and perseverance. Also- what is up with cars throwing on their hazards in heavy rain? Virtually nobody does this where I live in the Midwest, but when I lived in Houston for a few years almost everyone would do that in any heavy rain situation. I understand the logic, but I think having 10 cars around you with flashing hazards is too much stimulation when the heavy rain / weather already causes a sensory overload.

[@unreasonablespeed]

Thank you! Yeah it sucks, but it's the risk you take. That's why I track cheap cars 🥲 Hazard lights in the rain does seem to be a more of a Southern thing - states that don't see a lot of snow. Atlanta is the worst... 5 or 6 lanes of people stomping brakes and changing lanes with lights flashing everywhere. What a mess.

[@mister.midwest]

@@unreasonablespeed I'm sure Atlanta is brutal. I was in Houston which has it's own very wide freeways but not quite on the ATL status, lol

[@DeepHouseRoom]

Love the effort you put into this vid! And sorry about your car bro!

[@unreasonablespeed]

Thank you! 😊

[@avoumen1462]

Mega underrated. YT autoplay doing wonders again. Also with the crash. I suppose you shouldn't have been going so. Unreasonably fast (im not funny)

[@unreasonablespeed]

Ha... well that is what it comes down to 😅 Thanks!

[@4ntesoff621]

Greetings from Argentina, it was good to find your channel. It hurt me about your car, but at least you are unharmed.

[@unreasonablespeed]

Thanks! Yes, I'm lucky the car didn't roll like in Forza 😬

[@stuartchristie654]

Amazing video, thanks for the effort put in to create it. I hope your car is fixed up soon

[@unreasonablespeed]

Thanks! It's getting there.

[@Do.Christ]

Thanks again for another video.

[@unreasonablespeed]

Glad you liked it!

[@skatetown100]

great video!!!!! .. sad about the crash 😞 .. I am preparing my RX8 for track duty 🏁

[@unreasonablespeed]

Awesome! I'd recommend something to keep an eye on coolant temps. The stock sensor is fine, but the gauge isn't very useful. Even just an OBD reader and a phone to display it is a big help.

[@Thehondad]

That track is straight up treacherous in the rain.

[@unreasonablespeed]

You said it! I wonder if it being recently repaved had any effect.

[@Thehondad]

@ it was like that before the repave too. Before the racing line was worn out so bad that any moisture turned it to ice. From the track walk I got to do this summer it seems like it’s almost too smooth. Not enough imperfections to make it have any grip in the wet.

[@unreasonablespeed]

@@Thehondad I never got to try the old pavement in the rain. It was pretty rough in spots, much better now.

[@Valkaze111]

as a Forza fan, its a disappointment on how Forza motorsport called their game a "new ground up" game when it just a motorsport 7 reboot. Honestly give us motorsport 7 instead of this crap on steam instead!

[@unreasonablespeed]

Yeah I'm not buying the "from the ground up" marketing. The physics engine feels very much like FM7. Not that it's a terrible thing, because FM7 had decent physics. But it doesn't feel like a new game to me.

[@levs.7325]

Finally it looks really good, hope it would play good too somewhere in future

[@unreasonablespeed]

So much better than at launch, that's for sure!

[@BlueFoxAnimations]

the only one i saw it comparing it first hand to real life, i fucking love it!

[@unreasonablespeed]

Thanks, glad you enjoyed it!

[@alexpanameno8450]

amazing videos last seen video was the ford focus in FM7 at road america and it was amazing you deserve more suscribers!!!

[@unreasonablespeed]

Thanks! I've got a couple Assetto Corsa vids with that car as well, but yt didn't give them much love 😅

[@javier1998]

Great video

[@unreasonablespeed]

Thanks!

[@MarinatedPasta]

Omg your other car is a Focus RS?! Such good picks!

[@unreasonablespeed]

Yeah, the RS would've been a better choice for this weather but I wanted to do something different for the video.

[@MarinatedPasta]

@@unreasonablespeed Respect 😅

[@prohpo]

Underrated

[@theresnofree8277]

Awesome content, sorry for your car 😢

[@unreasonablespeed]

Thanks! And no worries, it will live!

[@corollavirus4age]

very nice mate its a shame the dorito machine got crumbled tho

[@unreasonablespeed]

Thanks! Doritos will spin again in time.

[@iamcarl4591]

It's only normal that you're faster in a sim The car is in perfect condition with no wear and there's no G force holding your reaction back

[@unreasonablespeed]

Yeah, I'm happy to get that close really.

[@iamcarl4591]

@@unreasonablespeed Can't wait to see you try another track or car. If possible

[@unreasonablespeed]

@@iamcarl4591 there are always more cars 😁

[@S.m1cha3l]

God-dayum the production quality and even testing the weather and destruction compared to forza (⁠~⁠_⁠~⁠メ⁠) haha

[@unreasonablespeed]

Well, I never intended to test the destruction but when life gives you lemons... 😅

[@Dex916]

Sorry you crashed your car, that sucks. I remember driving a 350z in FM6 and it felt shockingly similar to the real thing, but I think Gran Turismo is slightly more accurate imo. They obviously can't compete with AC.

[@unreasonablespeed]

I haven't played any of the recent GT games. Still waiting on them to port to PC, but that will probably never happen. AC was pretty accurate, I can't wait to try out the new one. Although I don't think I'll be able to swing a trip to Germany to do a video on it.

[@Me-eb3wv]

I find it shocking that people find Forza Motorsport to feel slightly realistic I was expecting people to thrash the car physics and say it’s absolutely nothing like real life because that’s the case for the Forza horizon series

[@unreasonablespeed]

@@Me-eb3wv I tried to play Forza Horizon once (FH3, I think) and the physics were so unrealistic that I just couldn't enjoy it. Two very different games. It's a shame, too, because an open world game with a somewhat realistic physics engine would be a lot of fun. Maybe Assetto Corsa Evo will finally nail that formula.

[@girthydoinks]

Wicked video

[@unreasonablespeed]

Wicked username

[@pawegeryk898]

3k views?! its top end content honestly

[@unreasonablespeed]

Thanks! The last one of these I did (Assetto Corsa at Charlotte) got like 300 views in a year, so I'm glad this one is at least being seen 😅

[@NichCarpenter]

Which Mid-Ohio event was this? I was at a ton as a photographer and recognize a ton of cars in it

[@unreasonablespeed]

It was the last MVP event there

[@NichCarpenter]

@@unreasonablespeed Ahhh got it. I went to one of the AutoInterest, and most of the PCA events

[@unreasonablespeed]

@@NichCarpenter A lot of those drivers are local so you probably see the same cars at both. That's a really great track for photography, especially in the Fall.

[@andrereaves2712]

I love this

[@jesusserrano8769]

Forza graphics still in the below average but its full of content

[@unreasonablespeed]

I think they are decent, just needs optimization. I have ray tracing turned off because it can cause hiccups in 4k even with the 7900XTX. But everything else is maxed.

[@jesusserrano8769]

@unreasonablespeed i think they need to fix a lot of textures and bump maps so they can react more realistic to lighting

[@unreasonablespeed]

@@jesusserrano8769 At this point I'm just happy that the textures no longer disappear mid-race

[@jesusserrano8769]

@@unreasonablespeed its a step forward tho

[@od13166]

Learning the car behavior wasnt really matter in game Like f1 game you can starts with any team like if you want better cars at start frrom career you can pick RB but they force you win every races you entering hard mod. FM has none of it just pick first grid in So called 'Qualifying' grind that short races qualifying in FM doesnt work same as reallife Qualifying. Also i really hate theres no option of Real TCS/ABS behavior in certain cars like GT3 where adjusting ABS/TCS level in FM you only have On/off Having fully on/fully off In GT3 is crazy too

[@unreasonablespeed]

Yeah I wish there was a more realistic qualifying system. And I totally agree that there should be more options for ABS/TCS/ASM. A lot of the faster cars are fly-by-wire and were never made to be driven with any of that completely disabled. It's cool that you can, but "active realistic" setting would be great.

[@DerpSherman]

​​@@unreasonablespeedadding to that, that Hybrid systems (like those in the LMDh cars) or advanced aero are just speed boost instead of being of something that could be turned on or off has been a disappoinment. Really wasted potential,but at least the "homologation" modifications were finally dropped.

[@unreasonablespeed]

@@DerpSherman I haven't even tried the hybrids. That's a shame. I'm also glad homologation is gone, I hated that so much in FM7.

[@removedmotivechannel]

10:02 please turn down the volume of the music^^ or turn up ur voice its hard to understand u at times

[@unreasonablespeed]

Thanks for the feedback! You're not the first one to mention that either. Too late to fix this one, but I'll try and mix the next one with more emphasis on the voice track.

[@MarinatedPasta]

What are your opinions on the exedy stage 2 clutch? My oe style replacement sucks 😅

[@unreasonablespeed]

Good for track use, but not for street. It's noisy and makes hills tricky, especially with a lightweight flywheel. I would stick with an OEM or stage 1.

[@MarinatedPasta]

⁠@@unreasonablespeed interesting. I use mine in the canyons. Guess I’ll do stage 1 next time, ty!

[@thomasb4002]

Cant see silver vehicles on the road in rain. Im thankfull for people turning on the hazards in heavy downpours as they become invisbke just a few feet away....

[@unreasonablespeed]

I figured I'd get more comments about that segment. I think that was more of an issue before LED bulbs. If it rains so hard that I can't see modern car taillights, I'll just pull over and wait it out.

[@astrea555]

amazing

[@Q_rocketleague]

im from russia.. WHY 1.42k subs.. ur work is great, i will go w8 ur new vids, good luck ur legend

[@unreasonablespeed]

Thanks for the kind words! It's a small channel but still growing.

[@CARDITS_]

Try the same crash test with Assetto corsa evo

[@unreasonablespeed]

I haven't heard anything about ACE's damage engine but it's set around the 'Ring, so it definitely needs to have a good one.

[@Mickice]

I hate how Forza adds fake shit to the tracks. Feels cartoony.

[@unreasonablespeed]

Which fake shit? I noticed there is a wall over the blend line at pit out which is definitely not there in real life.

[@Mickice]

@@unreasonablespeed The fake tents and lights on some tracks it's a joke.

[@unreasonablespeed]

@@Mickice I've never been to these tracks during big events so I don't know how much of that is just videogame fluff. It is kinda funny to set up a small race with a few econoboxes and see thousands of cheering fans and helicopters filming overhead.

[@virmandigiman288]

The music is absolutely too laut I can't you what you say properly

[@unreasonablespeed]

Sorry, I'll try and balance it better next time. I did work pretty hard on the captions so that might help.

[@grsport1426]

Need gt7

[@unreasonablespeed]

Need to make GT7 for PC

[@P4CTR4N]

Cool

[@KeithNelson-xo9tj]

They nailed it lke the Little Tykes toy company "nailed" a plastic toy hammer. Sure the basic shape is accurate and the pretty colors really make it stand out but itll never be a hammer. Not even a simulation of a hammer. Just a brightly colored accurately shaped piece of useless junk

[@unreasonablespeed]

I take it you did not like the game.

[@ami71609]

You should get a S2000 or Miata.

[@unreasonablespeed]

Both fantastic cars and great on track, but convertibles aren't for me.

[@shaneH1]

Lee Roy is correct

[@unreasonablespeed]

Leeroy should just buy a Corvette

[@shaneH1]

@@unreasonablespeed that logic tracks

[@Artiick]

As I always say. Forza is undoubtedly hot garbage in ᴍᴀɴʏ MANY^2ᵐᵃⁿʸ aspects. But at the very least the physics engine has a strong fundamental core to it. It's not always as detailed or as polished as it should be, but it thankfully simulates the cars in a decent manner and gives controller users something satisfying to play with (feedback on controller is also extremely precise and intuitive to understand wtf the car is doing)

[@unreasonablespeed]

Yeah, Forza has a reputation for being arcade-like but the engine is decent. A little twitchy and overstated in places, but not as arcade-like as its reputation would suggest. Thanks for the comment!

[@Artiick]

@unreasonablespeed I mean... It *is* arcade if we compare it to iRacing, Assetto or rFactor, which is what people seemed to have done over the years. Regarding the "twitchiness" of it... I'd say that 90% of the cars are actually tuned to be well too understeery. Which is an understandable decision given that most of the casuals will just forget tunes even exist. So you're sorta forced to do "forza tuning" on them and min-max the ever living shit to get them to rotate🤣

[@unreasonablespeed]

Yeah I've noticed some cars and parts in Forza have default settings that really mess up the handling of the cars right out of the box. I'm not sure why they didn't set them more neutral by default, but it definitely pays to check and do some tuning before driving anything.

[@andreasmoller9798]

They dont get much of details right sadly.

[@unreasonablespeed]

Yeah, not much added over FM7

[@removedmotivechannel]

its forza..

[@grkvain]

Worst pos driving game I’ve ever played, even CarX street has better physics 🤮

[@unreasonablespeed]

I had to look up CarX Street. What is that, a mobile game?

[@jbones113]

Great video