Four Groups You Might be Misrepresenting

It's easy and sometimes even convenient to misrepresent the other position. But it isn't honest. Here's some misrepresentations you ought to avoid.

[@theajthomas]

"I'm going to assume you want to represent other people fairly even if you disagree with them." - Sir, this is the internet.

[@jamesparson]

Yup

[@mynameis......23]

Debunking catholicism I'm more blessed than mary Proof = Luke 11:27-28 27 And it happened, as He spoke these things, that a certain woman from the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and the breasts which nursed You!” 28 But He said, “More than that, blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it!” In Luke 11:27 that random woman LITERALLY said Jesus your mother is Blessed, but are Lord Jesus LITERALLY said Believers are more Blessed than mary. Amen and Amen _________________________ CHRIST alone John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. Hebrew 9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance. Acts 4:12 Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” 1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus _________________________ Work of God = John 6:28 Then they said to Him, “What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?” 29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.” _________________________ 1 Timothy 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach Paul allows bishops to get marry, but catholic church goes against paul. Now these catholic will give a Verses from 1 Corinthians7 to say that paul gave the advice to stay unmarried. But they will not tell you that the same chapter they quote says 1 Corinthians 7:28 "even if you do marry, you have not SINNED". The passage literally says "young women, young men" and a bishop is supposed to be a Church ELDER. Mic drop _________________________ Jesus said Matthew 23:9 9 Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. And also said Holy Father to Heavenly Father= John 17:11 11 Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We are. Jesus said call no one Father but still catholics call *pope holy father. Sad _________________________ Whenever a catholic argue about mary being the mother of God Use this to defeat the argument. Luke 8:21 But He answered and said to them, “My mother and My brothers are these who hear the word of God and do it.” Matthew 12:46-50 46 While He was still talking to the multitudes, behold, His mother and brothers stood outside, seeking to speak with Him. 47 Then one said to Him, “Look, Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside, seeking to speak with You.” 48 But He answered and said to the one who told Him, “Who is My mother and who are My brothers?” 49 And He stretched out His hand toward His disciples and said, “Here are My mother and My brothers! 50 For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother.”. Mark 3:35 For whoever does the will of God is My brother and My sister and mother.” John 19:26-27 26 When Jesus therefore saw His mother, and the disciple whom He loved standing by, He said to His mother, “Woman, behold your son!” 27 Then He said to the disciple, “Behold your mother!” And from that hour that disciple took her to his own home. ( Jesus basically said John is the son of mary, and mary is the mother of John from that time onwards). By the way sarah is the mother of all proof=Galatians 4:21-26. _________________________ We should not pray to apostles Romans 1:25 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. Acts 10:25-26 25 As Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him and fell down at his feet and worshiped him. 26 But Peter lifted him up, saying, “Stand up; I myself am also a man.” Acts 14:15 15 and saying, “Men, why are you doing these things? We also are men with the same nature as you, and preach to you that you should turn from these useless things to the living God, who made the heaven, the earth, the sea, and all things that are in them, Revelation 19:10 10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.” Revelation 22:8-9 8 Now I, John, saw and heard these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel who showed me these things. 9 Then he said to me, “See that you do not do that. For I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren the prophets, and of those who keep the words of this book. Worship God." Colossians 2:18 18 Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, You cannot go to Father through saints nor mary, you can only go to the Father through Lord Jesus Christ= John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. Ephesians 2:18 For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father. Holy Spirit intercedes for us=Romans 8:26 26 Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. And CHRIST as well=Romans 8:34 34 Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us. Hebrews 7:25 25 Therefore He is also able to save to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them. It's Christ and Holy Spirit who intercedes for us not apostles _________________________ There is only one Mediator between God and men LORD Jesus Christ= 1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus. Hebrew 9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance. Hebrew 12:24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel. Hebrew 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises. _________________________ Apostles are allowed to marry, 1 Corinthians 9:1-5 1 Am I not an apostle? Am I not free? Have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? Are you not my work in the Lord? 2 If I am not an apostle to others, yet doubtless I am to you. For you are the seal of my apostleship in the Lord. 3 My defense to those who examine me is this: 4 Do we have no right to eat and drink? 5 Do we have no right to take along a believing wife, as do also the other apostles, the brothers of the Lord, and Cephas? If Peter (peter is cephas read John 1:42) the so called "first pope" was married, why does the catholic church doesn't allow "pope" to marry? _________________________ The so called vicar of christ/ pope/holy father Peter called himself a fellow elder in 1 Peter 5:1, and as per the qualifications of elder in Titus 1:5-9 the elder is allowed to get married; then why does the "pope" is required to be celibate and catholic? ( when Peter was neither celibate nor catholic). 1)Peter was not perfect human nor was he a perfect disciple 2)He sank down while walking on water 3)Our Lord said to peter get behind me satan 4)Peter reject our Lord 3 times 5)Our Lord rebuked Peter for calling fire from heaven 6)Our Lord rebuked Peter when he cut of the soilders ear 7)Paul rebuked Peter for being hypocrite because he was acting different in front of Jews and different in front of gentiles. 8) Moses messed up, and he was a important part of Bible ( that's why he never entered the promised land), 9)David messed up ( and he has the Holy Spirit), 10)King Soloman messed up, 11) Saul messed up and God regretted the decision (1 Samuel 15:10-11). Hatrick (Saul then David then Soloman back to back messed up) 12)The apostles run away a day before Lord Jesus got locked up. 13)The early church messed up Rev 2:18-20 14) Apostle John when receiving Revelation worshiped an angel and the angel said "see you do not do that. Worship GOD" Revelation 22:8-9 If these great people could mess up, why do you think the catholic church wouldn't mess up. ____________________________________ Galatians 4:21-26 21 Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. 23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise, 24 which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar- 25 for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children- 26 but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all. Sarah is mother of all, Not mary. _________________________ Also the Church has many name like Christians, Evangelists, Children of God, Believers, servents of God, bride of Christ, but not once the Church is called catholics. _________________________ Also, if the apostles didn't wrote it, I don't want it.

[@essafats5728]

@@mynameis......23so Mary is just a womb, nothing more? So why weren't u, yes yourself, even mentioned at the foot of Jesus wen He was dying on the cross? Did Jesus, fully divine & fully human at the same time, even care about his human mother at any time? Keep on disrespecting/dismissing Jesus' human mother; can't even call her Blessed wen it is specifically stated in the Bible to do so. 21st century "Christian" yet still so full of ignorance.

[@ThrillaWhale]

@@mynameis......23 Based.

[@thursoberwick1948]

I don't like the phrase "fact check", too Orwellian.

[@marriage4life893]

So basically, don't bear false witness against your neighbor... the 9th commandment.

[@jamesparson]

So is this the truth or is it a lie? Psalm 14: 1. The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good. 2 The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God. 3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

[@jonathanettinger6970]

Especially not deliberately. The difficult part is needing to realize whether your position is sound and based in understanding. You may be making a strawman argument and not know it.

[@HistoryNerd808]

​@@jamesparsonLate here but those 2 aren't mutually exclusive. Somebody being wrong and/or foolish does not mean you lie about what they believe. I'll use court as an example, you don't get to commit perjury because the other side is making a point that doesn't make sense. Critiquing someone is not the same as bearing false witness.

[@northlandassemblybadger7014]

I am an Assemblies of God minister and consider myself a "classic pentecostal." I find your videos to be honest and very fair. I recently moved to a small NW MN town that is predominantly Lutheran. I had no solid understanding of the different types of Lutheran denominations. Your videos comparing them helped me to better understand my own community. Please keep doing this amazing work.

[@k9builder]

If it helps, LCMS, NALC, and WELS/ELS all hold firm to the Bible as written and the Book of Concord as written (none of us consider the Book of Concord as being scripture, rather it is what we teach regarding scripture). Where we disagree are primarily matters of church polity. I hope those issues will someday be resolved. Also, for part of my own background, I do hold a degree in theology, and I come from a primarily Roman Catholic background, but spent a number of years in Baptist and nondenominational churches. Like I said in my own initial reply to the video, my time in the Baptist and nondenominational churches led me to a period of agnosticism due to a conflict betwixt scripture and teaching. Sadly, and I know you probably don't want to hear this, I've seen a similar thing in mother-in-law's pentecostal church. Please understand that the Book of Concord is NOT merely a Lutheran book, it is a CHRISTIAN book. I like recommending to all who claim to be Christians. If nothing else, it helps to better understand why the Reformation happened.

[@pastorart1974]

I was raised Lutheran. I was fired from teaching the Adult Bible Class at my home ELCA church because I taught from the Bible calling the Bible the Word of God. I was told that the ELCA teaches that the Bible contains the word of God and the purpose of Sunday School was to figure out which parts are and which are not. My home ELCA Congregation was from 2010 to 2015 the home church of the ELCA Bishop. And it was the closest ELCA Congregation to the ELCA headquarters on Higgins Road in Chicago. Since I haven't been there since 2015, I don't know if that Bishop is still there or not. I can say that at least since the infamous vote of August 2009, which said it is OK TO BE LGBTQ, the ELCA has rejected the Bible as the Word of God. Of course this varies in some Congregations.

[@Torby4096]

Hehe.. I grew up Lutheran and am now Assembly of God. Tonight, however, I will go to my best friend's Foursquare.

[@81dnomyar]

Wait, are you saying we should do unto others as we would have done unto us?

[@frennynikki2447]

Same here but I'm from the Phils.

[@curtishawkins8052]

Fairly and accurately representing people you disagree with. This is why I watch you. This is how all Christians should speak of one another.

[@samfireman1031]

Yeah except he really does demonize those groups he doesn't like. YOU CAN TELL.

[@curtishawkins8052]

@@samfireman1031 Do you have an example? I haven't seen it.

[@waltermeerschaert]

As an athiest, I too need to hear these points described and explored. Not only to avoid misrepresenting others, but also to avoid misrepresenting myself. On can easily flow between different sides as the wind blows if one is not always aware of the bigger picture.

[@frimports]

I agree I think we should represent opposing views fairly. I think it’s possible to understand where someone else is coming from, empathize with their position and still disagree in a loving way. Admittedly I’m not entirely there yet I blow my stack sometimes cause I’m human and an insecure little b sometimes. But the Lord isn’t finished with me yet 😀. Glad that your exploring these issues, I respect that a lot.

[@edwardluth7740]

Atheists make no sense.

[@jhmejia]

Preach!!! Great to hear what's going on (i use "preach" loosely lmao)

[@crabmaster3338]

Praying for you my brother!

[@carolinewiese5]

It's nice to find a place like this to openly discuss differences and understand each other! I love talking theology, and my brother, who loves debating and such, has been atheist for a long time and I always want to talk about philosophy and theology with him, but I think he doesn't really want to go there, so I try not to let my curiosity get the best of me. I'm sure he has strong convictions and it would be fun to learn about what he thinks, so I have to settle for learning from internet people lol

[@restedassurance]

As a Lutheran who believes in baptismal regeneration and salvation gifted through baptism, you don't know how refreshing it is to hear someone correctly articulate our view that baptism only saves because of what Jesus did on the cross ushered into the waters combined with the Word, and furthermore that faith is absolutely needed for salvation instead of just being washed by water with zero belief until the day they die.

[@SeanWinters]

Still a little too "married to the ritual" for my taste/understanding, but this is a fair and defendable position, and it makes it much easier to understand Lutherans. Clear and fair representation keeps the distinctions, while also maintaining brotherhood between us.

[@rosevillewoman2055]

You are correct about baptism with faith and salvation but I was raised Lutheran and they baptize infants who do not have faith yet in Christ and have no idea of repentance. Acts 2:38 and Col. 2:12-13. There is nowhere in the Bible that says infants go to hell if they are not baptized.

[@restedassurance]

@@rosevillewoman2055 It is true that the Bible doesn't say infants go to hell if not baptized or don't have faith. I think the better question is this: Does the Bible say they go to heaven? We must remember that infants can sin and also have original sin; see verses such as Psalm 51:5, Genesis 8:21, Job 14:4, Ephesians 2:3, Romans 2:11-12, etc. There's no place in Scripture that suggests that infants are excused from sin just because of their youth - that's not how sin works; you are fully corrupted and the only cleansing from that is through the blood of Jesus. Now I can't say I have the mind of God, but for what He's revealed in His Word, the possibility of infants going to hell looks more likely. As for the faith part, there are numerous accounts in the Bible of infants believing in God. John the Baptist believed as an infant in the womb (Luke 1:15, 41), David believed from the womb and while he was a nursing baby (Psalm 22:9-10), children and infants praised Jesus as was prophesied (Matthew 21:15-16), etc. So yes, it is clearly possible for infants to be repentant and faithful. Faith is the gift of God, not our own learned decision; see Ephesians 2:8. And even if the child doesn’t believe, at least they were still baptized. That means that if they do come to faith one day, they’ve already been baptized and the gifts of forgiveness and salvation will flow from their baptism now that they’ve accepted the Lord. I like to think of it as a gift “on hold” until they believe and are saved.

[@rosevillewoman2055]

@Hyponakte I do believe when partake in Communion that the bread is representative of Jesus’ body and the grape juice or wine represents His blood that saved and continues to save me. Jesus said to do this to remember His sacrifice. 1 Peter 3:21 Here is also another Scripture about how baptism saves you not because of the physical washing of dirt but the pledge of a good conscience towards God. That is the difference between a bath and baptism. Baptism in Greek means immersion or submersion. True Christian baptism combines water, faith and repentance at the same time.

[@rosevillewoman2055]

@Hyponakte I think you are greatly misunderstanding. I certainly do not believe Jesus was just a common man or just a prophet. He is the Son of God and only Savior of the world unlike any other man who has walked on this earth. I certainly believe true faith comes with obedience displayed by our actions, though we certainly are not saved by good works. James 2:18-19.

[@revjohnlee]

AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! I am an ordained United Methodist. I spent 5 years I enjoyed at a Roman Catholic seminary as the "heretic in residence" defending protestants. I also spent quite a bit of time at an ECUSA school and a PCUSA school where I expended much effort defending the Roman church from false claims. These days, I spend a great deal of time defending my own denomination from false accusations leveled by the hierarchy of the denomination itself. As a result, I have moved to hospital chaplaincy when I meet a huge variety of people with all sorts of tangled up beliefs. I disagree with many of them but I try to honestly understand each of them. I don't want to be the one guilty of bearing false witness.

[@JDsVarietyChannel]

You hit the nail on the head at the end. A straw man is ultimately bearing false witness. Good reference. I never made that specific correlation.

[@josephzammit8483]

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[@enshala6401]

I guess the Protestant scandal is tantamount to bearing false witness against the Holy Spirit, which is why this whole channel makes me very nervous. The Holy Spirit is not divided. I don't understand how Christian unity via John 17 is possible without a Pope. I've asked this countless times from Protestants with unsatisfactory answers given back. I honestly don't know what to believe about Protestantism and how divisive it is. It is heartbreaking to me.

[@crossbearer6453]

@@enshala6401 I am equally weary of “nice Protestants “ They treat u like many atheists do To your face they are like we simply disagree Then call u devil worshipers or delusional behind your back I get that vibe from the original commenter I might be wrong

[@enshala6401]

@@crossbearer6453 I get the same vibe from him. I am not sure why a Protestant would attend a RCC seminary, or why he is claiming priests-in-training would call him a heretic for five years, or why he would spend five years in an institution that would cause him to defend Protestantism... It comes across as a concocted story, to be honest. But God only knows, and that is all that matters.

[@kennethklein6213]

I’ve discovered that you shouldn’t assume that a particular person who is a member of a specific denomination necessarily agrees with all that group teaches. This is probably true more so today than it was 50 years ago. Thanks for the talk.

[@leslietascoff9784]

Yes! About 2/3 of current Roman Catholics (according to Bishop Robert Barron) don’t believe that the communion elements are transformed into the body and blood of Christ. That’s a lot of members that don’t agree with the teaching of their denomination.

[@HorseloverFat1984]

Amen! I am an Eastern-Catholic and the people I debate with and fight most are other Catholics 😅

[@Konarali]

We need to share this channel more. It's one of the most helpful and balanced Christian channels I've come across and I honestly believe it can help spread more understanding and love toward our fellow brothers and sisters in Christ.

[@jamesparson]

This atheist thinks he does a good job.

[@aimee-lynndonovan6077]

Yes as a young the presenter, sorry I forgot his name, he is full of wisdom and fairness. Love his videos. Been watching them for at least a year to understand who believes what and why; instead of being ignorant. 😏good job bruh.

[@aimee-lynndonovan6077]

Young man

[@petardraganov3716]

@@aimee-lynndonovan6077 It's just babyface, he's a professor.

[@mauricej1887]

I was just thinking the same thing!!

[@heberfarnsworth]

Great video and a good reminder for us all. I’ve been on both sides of this mistake- having my own beliefs misrepresented and I’ve also been guilty of making broad generalizations about other churches. We would all do well to listen better before we speak.

[@michaels4255]

However, broad generalizations are not always misrepresentations, although they can be. Take this broad generalization: "Pentecostals believe in the Trinity." I would say that this is a reasonable generalization, even though there is a smaller subset of Pentecostals who reject the Trinity.

[@mynameis......23]

Debunking catholicism I'm more blessed than mary Proof = Luke 11:27-28 27 And it happened, as He spoke these things, that a certain woman from the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and the breasts which nursed You!” 28 But He said, “More than that, blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it!” In Luke 11:27 that random woman LITERALLY said Jesus your mother is Blessed, but are Lord Jesus LITERALLY said Believers are more Blessed than mary. Amen and Amen _________________________ CHRIST alone John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. Hebrew 9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance. Acts 4:12 Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” 1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus _________________________ Work of God = John 6:28 Then they said to Him, “What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?” 29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.” _________________________ 1 Timothy 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach Paul allows bishops to get marry, but catholic church goes against paul. Now these catholic will give a Verses from 1 Corinthians7 to say that paul gave the advice to stay unmarried. But they will not tell you that the same chapter they quote says 1 Corinthians 7:28 "even if you do marry, you have not SINNED". The passage literally says "young women, young men" and a bishop is supposed to be a Church ELDER. Mic drop _________________________ Jesus said Matthew 23:9 9 Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. And also said Holy Father to Heavenly Father= John 17:11 11 Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We are. Jesus said call no one Father but still catholics call *pope holy father. Sad _________________________ Whenever a catholic argue about mary being the mother of God Use this to defeat the argument. Luke 8:21 But He answered and said to them, “My mother and My brothers are these who hear the word of God and do it.” Matthew 12:46-50 46 While He was still talking to the multitudes, behold, His mother and brothers stood outside, seeking to speak with Him. 47 Then one said to Him, “Look, Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside, seeking to speak with You.” 48 But He answered and said to the one who told Him, “Who is My mother and who are My brothers?” 49 And He stretched out His hand toward His disciples and said, “Here are My mother and My brothers! 50 For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother.”. Mark 3:35 For whoever does the will of God is My brother and My sister and mother.” John 19:26-27 26 When Jesus therefore saw His mother, and the disciple whom He loved standing by, He said to His mother, “Woman, behold your son!” 27 Then He said to the disciple, “Behold your mother!” And from that hour that disciple took her to his own home. ( Jesus basically said John is the son of mary, and mary is the mother of John from that time onwards). By the way sarah is the mother of all proof=Galatians 4:21-26. _________________________ We should not pray to apostles Romans 1:25 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. Acts 10:25-26 25 As Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him and fell down at his feet and worshiped him. 26 But Peter lifted him up, saying, “Stand up; I myself am also a man.” Acts 14:15 15 and saying, “Men, why are you doing these things? We also are men with the same nature as you, and preach to you that you should turn from these useless things to the living God, who made the heaven, the earth, the sea, and all things that are in them, Revelation 19:10 10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.” Revelation 22:8-9 8 Now I, John, saw and heard these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel who showed me these things. 9 Then he said to me, “See that you do not do that. For I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren the prophets, and of those who keep the words of this book. Worship God." Colossians 2:18 18 Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, You cannot go to Father through saints nor mary, you can only go to the Father through Lord Jesus Christ= John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. Ephesians 2:18 For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father. Holy Spirit intercedes for us=Romans 8:26 26 Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. And CHRIST as well=Romans 8:34 34 Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us. Hebrews 7:25 25 Therefore He is also able to save to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them. It's Christ and Holy Spirit who intercedes for us not apostles _________________________ There is only one Mediator between God and men LORD Jesus Christ= 1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus. Hebrew 9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance. Hebrew 12:24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel. Hebrew 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises. _________________________ Apostles are allowed to marry, 1 Corinthians 9:1-5 1 Am I not an apostle? Am I not free? Have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? Are you not my work in the Lord? 2 If I am not an apostle to others, yet doubtless I am to you. For you are the seal of my apostleship in the Lord. 3 My defense to those who examine me is this: 4 Do we have no right to eat and drink? 5 Do we have no right to take along a believing wife, as do also the other apostles, the brothers of the Lord, and Cephas? If Peter (peter is cephas read John 1:42) the so called "first pope" was married, why does the catholic church doesn't allow "pope" to marry? _________________________ The so called vicar of christ/ pope/holy father Peter called himself a fellow elder in 1 Peter 5:1, and as per the qualifications of elder in Titus 1:5-9 the elder is allowed to get married; then why does the "pope" is required to be celibate and catholic? ( when Peter was neither celibate nor catholic). 1)Peter was not perfect human nor was he a perfect disciple 2)He sank down while walking on water 3)Our Lord said to peter get behind me satan 4)Peter reject our Lord 3 times 5)Our Lord rebuked Peter for calling fire from heaven 6)Our Lord rebuked Peter when he cut of the soilders ear 7)Paul rebuked Peter for being hypocrite because he was acting different in front of Jews and different in front of gentiles. 8) Moses messed up, and he was a important part of Bible ( that's why he never entered the promised land), 9)David messed up ( and he has the Holy Spirit), 10)King Soloman messed up, 11) Saul messed up and God regretted the decision (1 Samuel 15:10-11). Hatrick (Saul then David then Soloman back to back messed up) 12)The apostles run away a day before Lord Jesus got locked up. 13)The early church messed up Rev 2:18-20 14) Apostle John when receiving Revelation worshiped an angel and the angel said "see you do not do that. Worship GOD" Revelation 22:8-9 If these great people could mess up, why do you think the catholic church wouldn't mess up. ____________________________________ Galatians 4:21-26 21 Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. 23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise, 24 which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar- 25 for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children- 26 but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all. Sarah is mother of all, Not mary. _________________________ Also the Church has many name like Christians, Evangelists, Children of God, Believers, servents of God, bride of Christ, but not once the Church is called catholics. _________________________ Also, if the apostles didn't wrote it, I don't want it.

[@ravissary79]

@@michaels4255 I think thats actually a generalization thats a little dicier, specifically because some, if not all, of the only denominations that are still technically Christian, but not trinitarian, are pentacostal denominations... but as a pentacostal trinitarian myself, I appreciate the heart that motivates that generalization. ♥

[@iagoofdraiggwyn98]

Man, you hit the nail on the head. In my case, it hit me like a rock how quick generalizations just hurt any meaningful conversation. Thanks for the video!

[@careyvinzant]

Well said. When it comes down to it, deliberately misrepresenting someone's position is bearing false witness against one's neighbor.

[@ElasticGiraffe]

You are very fair and well researched. I'm Orthodox, and the only tiny objection I could possibly lodge has to do with numbering the sacraments, which we normally call the holy mysteries. Because life itself is sacramental, we tend not to number or classify sacraments at all. They're just things the church routinely does, along with other liturgical acts. We don't share the more Latin view of grace as a kind of ethereal currency of divine favor. Various church fathers tried to list the mysteries and disagreed on the number. For example, if I'm not mistaken, monastic tonsure has been considered one. For an extended period of time, due to historical circumstances in the Christian East, Orthodox clergy were being theologically trained by Jesuits in Roman Catholic manual theology, which led them to adopt much of the same terminology and categorizations, and even anti-Protestant polemics, but that has changed in large part due to the 20th c. neopatristic synthesis (Florovsky, Lossky, Meyendorff, which has had both positives and negatives for Orthodox theological discourse, and the tide is shifting on that, due largely to perceived ahistorical overemphases on Palamism--well, Neo-Palamism--and even theosis as "the" primary soteriological model). That's just a frivolous nitpick, not a complaint. Your videos are all very impressive!

[@mikewilliams6025]

The most important video on a channel full of extremely important videos.

[@flash521]

Most people do not totally understand their own denomination let alone others. We all ought to be humble by how much we do not understand. I thank our Lord Jesus when he would say, “ search the scriptures,” or ask, “what do the scriptures say?” Thank you for your humbling channel.

[@ronwright6870]

Amen to this.

[@crossbearer6453]

Lots understand their own denominations But I agree on the subject of humility

[@alhilford2345]

When Jesus said "search the scriptures" He would have been referring to those writings that we now call the Old Testament. The simple truth is that we have no record of Him ever promising that our salvation would depend EXCLUSIVELY on words written in a book.

[@RichardDCook]

@@crossbearer6453 What's odd is that I saw a poll years ago where people would answer questions about their beliefs, and when you finished it would show how your answers lined up with the official teachings of various denominations. Sometimes the people in the pews differ from official doctrine.

[@joshuamccarty8173]

Thanks for making this. I've seen egregious strawmanning from many differing sides against many other sides. I won't lie in that I have been guilty of making strawman arguments as well, but I've done my best to keep from doing so in present. I feel that correctly representing folks as well as taking their positions in good faith and steelmanning their arguments is highly preferable for Christendom. Once again, thank you for making this video.

[@mynameis......23]

Debunking catholicism I'm more blessed than mary Proof = Luke 11:27-28 27 And it happened, as He spoke these things, that a certain woman from the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and the breasts which nursed You!” 28 But He said, “More than that, blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it!” In Luke 11:27 that random woman LITERALLY said Jesus your mother is Blessed, but are Lord Jesus LITERALLY said Believers are more Blessed than mary. Amen and Amen _________________________ CHRIST alone John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. Hebrew 9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance. Acts 4:12 Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” 1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus _________________________ Work of God = John 6:28 Then they said to Him, “What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?” 29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.” _________________________ 1 Timothy 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach Paul allows bishops to get marry, but catholic church goes against paul. Now these catholic will give a Verses from 1 Corinthians7 to say that paul gave the advice to stay unmarried. But they will not tell you that the same chapter they quote says 1 Corinthians 7:28 "even if you do marry, you have not SINNED". The passage literally says "young women, young men" and a bishop is supposed to be a Church ELDER. Mic drop _________________________ Jesus said Matthew 23:9 9 Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. And also said Holy Father to Heavenly Father= John 17:11 11 Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We are. Jesus said call no one Father but still catholics call *pope holy father. Sad _________________________ Whenever a catholic argue about mary being the mother of God Use this to defeat the argument. Luke 8:21 But He answered and said to them, “My mother and My brothers are these who hear the word of God and do it.” Matthew 12:46-50 46 While He was still talking to the multitudes, behold, His mother and brothers stood outside, seeking to speak with Him. 47 Then one said to Him, “Look, Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside, seeking to speak with You.” 48 But He answered and said to the one who told Him, “Who is My mother and who are My brothers?” 49 And He stretched out His hand toward His disciples and said, “Here are My mother and My brothers! 50 For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother.”. Mark 3:35 For whoever does the will of God is My brother and My sister and mother.” John 19:26-27 26 When Jesus therefore saw His mother, and the disciple whom He loved standing by, He said to His mother, “Woman, behold your son!” 27 Then He said to the disciple, “Behold your mother!” And from that hour that disciple took her to his own home. ( Jesus basically said John is the son of mary, and mary is the mother of John from that time onwards). By the way sarah is the mother of all proof=Galatians 4:21-26. _________________________ We should not pray to apostles Romans 1:25 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. Acts 10:25-26 25 As Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him and fell down at his feet and worshiped him. 26 But Peter lifted him up, saying, “Stand up; I myself am also a man.” Acts 14:15 15 and saying, “Men, why are you doing these things? We also are men with the same nature as you, and preach to you that you should turn from these useless things to the living God, who made the heaven, the earth, the sea, and all things that are in them, Revelation 19:10 10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.” Revelation 22:8-9 8 Now I, John, saw and heard these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel who showed me these things. 9 Then he said to me, “See that you do not do that. For I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren the prophets, and of those who keep the words of this book. Worship God." Colossians 2:18 18 Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, You cannot go to Father through saints nor mary, you can only go to the Father through Lord Jesus Christ= John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. Ephesians 2:18 For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father. Holy Spirit intercedes for us=Romans 8:26 26 Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. And CHRIST as well=Romans 8:34 34 Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us. Hebrews 7:25 25 Therefore He is also able to save to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them. It's Christ and Holy Spirit who intercedes for us not apostles _________________________ There is only one Mediator between God and men LORD Jesus Christ= 1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus. Hebrew 9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance. Hebrew 12:24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel. Hebrew 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises. _________________________ Apostles are allowed to marry, 1 Corinthians 9:1-5 1 Am I not an apostle? Am I not free? Have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? Are you not my work in the Lord? 2 If I am not an apostle to others, yet doubtless I am to you. For you are the seal of my apostleship in the Lord. 3 My defense to those who examine me is this: 4 Do we have no right to eat and drink? 5 Do we have no right to take along a believing wife, as do also the other apostles, the brothers of the Lord, and Cephas? If Peter (peter is cephas read John 1:42) the so called "first pope" was married, why does the catholic church doesn't allow "pope" to marry? _________________________ The so called vicar of christ/ pope/holy father Peter called himself a fellow elder in 1 Peter 5:1, and as per the qualifications of elder in Titus 1:5-9 the elder is allowed to get married; then why does the "pope" is required to be celibate and catholic? ( when Peter was neither celibate nor catholic). 1)Peter was not perfect human nor was he a perfect disciple 2)He sank down while walking on water 3)Our Lord said to peter get behind me satan 4)Peter reject our Lord 3 times 5)Our Lord rebuked Peter for calling fire from heaven 6)Our Lord rebuked Peter when he cut of the soilders ear 7)Paul rebuked Peter for being hypocrite because he was acting different in front of Jews and different in front of gentiles. 8) Moses messed up, and he was a important part of Bible ( that's why he never entered the promised land), 9)David messed up ( and he has the Holy Spirit), 10)King Soloman messed up, 11) Saul messed up and God regretted the decision (1 Samuel 15:10-11). Hatrick (Saul then David then Soloman back to back messed up) 12)The apostles run away a day before Lord Jesus got locked up. 13)The early church messed up Rev 2:18-20 14) Apostle John when receiving Revelation worshiped an angel and the angel said "see you do not do that. Worship GOD" Revelation 22:8-9 If these great people could mess up, why do you think the catholic church wouldn't mess up. ____________________________________ Galatians 4:21-26 21 Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. 23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise, 24 which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar- 25 for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children- 26 but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all. Sarah is mother of all, Not mary. _________________________ Also the Church has many name like Christians, Evangelists, Children of God, Believers, servents of God, bride of Christ, but not once the Church is called catholics. _________________________ Also, if the apostles didn't wrote it, I don't want it.

[@awm9290]

@@mynameis......23 so where Luther and Calvin disagree with the disciples of Peter and Paul (Ignatius, Clement, and Polycarp) you go with Luther and Calvin? All Catholics have read the verses you sited. We fully believe in them and love them and the wisdom they contain. We’ve been aware of them for thousands of years. The only difference is how we interpret the Bible, and why we interpret it the way we do. I wish more Protestants would think more deeply about how their traditions influence the way they view the Bible instead of saying the common trope “I just believe in the Bible alone”. If that meant anything then Zwingli would have been correct when he said that breaking away from the Church would lead everyone to have the same doctrines. That obviously didn’t happen and there are literally hundreds if not thousands of Protestant denominations because even though we read the same Bible a Pentecostal is going to have a different interpretation of Acts than a Methodist. Everyone’s traditions influence the way the read the Bible. Some traditions are just more aware of it.

[@ravissary79]

@@awm9290 it doesn't seem like either of you internalized the message of this video in any meaningful sense.

[@crossbearer6453]

@@ravissary79 the second commenter was addressing the first directly The second person did nothing wrong

[@ravissary79]

@@crossbearer6453 look around other threads. He wasn't. He wrote this exact message there. It's a copy-pasta spam argument.

[@TestifyApologetics]

When you got to the baptism saves part all I could hear in my head was the Lutheran Satire video... And when you said don't put all charismatics in one basket I thought of the recent and unfortunate Cessationist documentary trailer.

[@joshuamccarty8173]

What's the name of the documentary? I don't think I've heard about it.

[@ok-lq6tv]

But what about the thief on the cross

[@betrion7]

The Remnant Radio had a show about it - biblicaly refuting eleven points made in a trailer. Not a bad show, you can look it up here on KZbin if interested.

[@lindajohnson4204]

@@ok-lq6tv But the thief on the cross is real; his salvation was real. He is not a joke, even as Jesus's anger at Pharisees is not a joke, although you wouldn't know it, anymore, so many are scoffing at the danger of thinking like the Pharisees. I'm grateful for the thief on the cross. God could have let that exchange remain private, but He revealed it so that we could know more about, and rejoice, the salvation Jesus was providing for us on the cross. And I have enjoyed many Lutheran Satire videos, especially "Horus Ruins Christmas" 1 & 2, and "The Real John Calvin", and others. But much of what Lutherans seem to believe (from a pastor on _Long for Truth)_ grieves me. We grew up with another sect's baptismal regeneration, our Catholic friends' transubstantiation, and....no.

[@michaels4255]

@@ok-lq6tv The Church fathers considered him, and anyone in an analogous situation, to have experienced a "baptism in blood." No one in the New Testament is ever told to find salvation by saying a prayer, but by submitting to baptism. The "sinner's prayer" as the means of regeneration is literally unbiblical and an invention of American frontier revivalism.

[@frankmckinley1254]

This is why I like your channel and recommend it to people wanting to learn relegious history. You endeavor to be as unbiased as possible.

[@dnzswithwombats]

You're just so biased, saying that.

[@chris2fur401]

Agree man. He really is unbiased and very informative. Hats off to him for the work put into each video. The guy does his research for sure.

[@Carlosalmanza760]

Bravo brother ❗️Very healthy reminder for all of us. I do my best to maintain a spirit of charity even when debating with folks I disagree with from a methodological standpoint.

[@mynameis......23]

Debunking catholicism I'm more blessed than mary Proof = Luke 11:27-28 27 And it happened, as He spoke these things, that a certain woman from the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and the breasts which nursed You!” 28 But He said, “More than that, blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it!” In Luke 11:27 that random woman LITERALLY said Jesus your mother is Blessed, but are Lord Jesus LITERALLY said Believers are more Blessed than mary. Amen and Amen _________________________ CHRIST alone John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. Hebrew 9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance. Acts 4:12 Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” 1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus _________________________ Work of God = John 6:28 Then they said to Him, “What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?” 29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.” _________________________ 1 Timothy 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach Paul allows bishops to get marry, but catholic church goes against paul. Now these catholic will give a Verses from 1 Corinthians7 to say that paul gave the advice to stay unmarried. But they will not tell you that the same chapter they quote says 1 Corinthians 7:28 "even if you do marry, you have not SINNED". The passage literally says "young women, young men" and a bishop is supposed to be a Church ELDER. Mic drop _________________________ Jesus said Matthew 23:9 9 Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. And also said Holy Father to Heavenly Father= John 17:11 11 Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We are. Jesus said call no one Father but still catholics call *pope holy father. Sad _________________________ Whenever a catholic argue about mary being the mother of God Use this to defeat the argument. Luke 8:21 But He answered and said to them, “My mother and My brothers are these who hear the word of God and do it.” Matthew 12:46-50 46 While He was still talking to the multitudes, behold, His mother and brothers stood outside, seeking to speak with Him. 47 Then one said to Him, “Look, Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside, seeking to speak with You.” 48 But He answered and said to the one who told Him, “Who is My mother and who are My brothers?” 49 And He stretched out His hand toward His disciples and said, “Here are My mother and My brothers! 50 For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother.”. Mark 3:35 For whoever does the will of God is My brother and My sister and mother.” John 19:26-27 26 When Jesus therefore saw His mother, and the disciple whom He loved standing by, He said to His mother, “Woman, behold your son!” 27 Then He said to the disciple, “Behold your mother!” And from that hour that disciple took her to his own home. ( Jesus basically said John is the son of mary, and mary is the mother of John from that time onwards). By the way sarah is the mother of all proof=Galatians 4:21-26. _________________________ We should not pray to apostles Romans 1:25 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. Acts 10:25-26 25 As Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him and fell down at his feet and worshiped him. 26 But Peter lifted him up, saying, “Stand up; I myself am also a man.” Acts 14:15 15 and saying, “Men, why are you doing these things? We also are men with the same nature as you, and preach to you that you should turn from these useless things to the living God, who made the heaven, the earth, the sea, and all things that are in them, Revelation 19:10 10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.” Revelation 22:8-9 8 Now I, John, saw and heard these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel who showed me these things. 9 Then he said to me, “See that you do not do that. For I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren the prophets, and of those who keep the words of this book. Worship God." Colossians 2:18 18 Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, You cannot go to Father through saints nor mary, you can only go to the Father through Lord Jesus Christ= John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. Ephesians 2:18 For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father. Holy Spirit intercedes for us=Romans 8:26 26 Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. And CHRIST as well=Romans 8:34 34 Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us. Hebrews 7:25 25 Therefore He is also able to save to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them. It's Christ and Holy Spirit who intercedes for us not apostles _________________________ There is only one Mediator between God and men LORD Jesus Christ= 1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus. Hebrew 9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance. Hebrew 12:24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel. Hebrew 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises. _________________________ Apostles are allowed to marry, 1 Corinthians 9:1-5 1 Am I not an apostle? Am I not free? Have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? Are you not my work in the Lord? 2 If I am not an apostle to others, yet doubtless I am to you. For you are the seal of my apostleship in the Lord. 3 My defense to those who examine me is this: 4 Do we have no right to eat and drink? 5 Do we have no right to take along a believing wife, as do also the other apostles, the brothers of the Lord, and Cephas? If Peter (peter is cephas read John 1:42) the so called "first pope" was married, why does the catholic church doesn't allow "pope" to marry? _________________________ The so called vicar of christ/ pope/holy father Peter called himself a fellow elder in 1 Peter 5:1, and as per the qualifications of elder in Titus 1:5-9 the elder is allowed to get married; then why does the "pope" is required to be celibate and catholic? ( when Peter was neither celibate nor catholic). 1)Peter was not perfect human nor was he a perfect disciple 2)He sank down while walking on water 3)Our Lord said to peter get behind me satan 4)Peter reject our Lord 3 times 5)Our Lord rebuked Peter for calling fire from heaven 6)Our Lord rebuked Peter when he cut of the soilders ear 7)Paul rebuked Peter for being hypocrite because he was acting different in front of Jews and different in front of gentiles. 8) Moses messed up, and he was a important part of Bible ( that's why he never entered the promised land), 9)David messed up ( and he has the Holy Spirit), 10)King Soloman messed up, 11) Saul messed up and God regretted the decision (1 Samuel 15:10-11). Hatrick (Saul then David then Soloman back to back messed up) 12)The apostles run away a day before Lord Jesus got locked up. 13)The early church messed up Rev 2:18-20 14) Apostle John when receiving Revelation worshiped an angel and the angel said "see you do not do that. Worship GOD" Revelation 22:8-9 If these great people could mess up, why do you think the catholic church wouldn't mess up. ____________________________________ Galatians 4:21-26 21 Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. 23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise, 24 which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar- 25 for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children- 26 but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all. Sarah is mother of all, Not mary. _________________________ Also the Church has many name like Christians, Evangelists, Children of God, Believers, servents of God, bride of Christ, but not once the Church is called catholics. _________________________ Also, if the apostles didn't wrote it, I don't want it.

[@Mikemanify]

@@mynameis......23I ask you one simple question. Which came first...the New Testament books (Matthew, Mark, John etc) or the Church?

[@theajthomas]

As an Arminian, I will reconsider Calvinism if and when I freely choose to.

[@the_real_littlepinkhousefly]

I see what you did there...

[@milldude19]

Or predestined to believe you chose it.

[@rogermetzger7335]

😁

[@jackdaw6359]

I am predestined to never be a Calvinist.

[@rogermetzger7335]

@@jackdaw6359 Do you realize that many Calvinists are sure you are reprobate and would throw you into hell themselves if they didn't think someone else would do it for them? Or am I maybe misrepresenting what Calvinists believe?

[@n.c.godshall2866]

Really appreciated this video. There tends to be a terrible lack of civility among brethren of different theological stripes that I thought was only supposed to exist between Fox and CNN. It’s refreshing to hear someone remind us as brothers and sisters to dignify each other with understanding before offering our critiques.

[@bryangumpic7992]

Watching your videos, I can not believe that I agree with a lot of denominations about many of their doctrines. Thanks. We should not be led by stereotypes and hearsay.

[@aimee-lynndonovan6077]

Glad to see ministers viewing this channel. Humility goes a long way.

[@josiahwalker889]

Could you do a video comparing common Christian Campus ministries like CRU, Intervarsity, RUF, ENC, Chi alpha and others? I know they aren't denominations but some hold closely to a denomination while others don't and some do officially have belief statements. While they aren't churches they definitely do have a significant impact on college-age students. tbh idk if it is out of the scope of your channel though. I have really enjoyed your videos, I just started watching some of them and they have been really helpful to understand what other people believe from a neutral perspective so I can have conversations with them to better understand. Thank you for doing this channel!

[@RepublicofE]

Teens Encounter Christ would be a good topic too.

[@robertdullnig3625]

Ooo, very interested in this. I was heavily involved in Intervarsity in college, and yes, some people do think of it like a church. I recall mentioning at a leadership meeting once that maybe some of the Christians on campus were better served by just attending services at their individual churches (at the time I attended a Church of Christ and many of my CoC friends were against the instrumental music), and the IV staff member immediately shut that down and said we had to assume that people who had fallen away from Intervarsity were not getting spiritual development elsewhere. And this was from a guy who was about to leave the organization to become an Anglican priest! If I recall correctly, while there were plenty of denominations represented, there were a lot in the leadership tied to Dallas Theological Seminary, and many fundangelicals that were starting to lean charismatic. At the same time, there was a great focus on social justice, which I still appreciate.

[@pastorart1974]

Chi Alpha is the official college ministry of the Assemblies of God. I was an Elder, starting in the Spring of 1973 of the Chi Alpha group at Illinois State University. Keep in mind I was raised in a Lutheran family and my family's Lutheran Church has always been extremely liberal and is part of the ELCA today. The only decent Pastor that Church ever had was a guy named Tom Housholder. Tom was only there about 5 years. His life and ministry was cut short due to Parkinson's.

[@Me2Lancer]

Thank you for sharing your usual fair and balanced discussion on addressing theological concerns in a clear, concise manner. Well done.

[@johnyarbrough502]

When I taught European History in high school the Reformation was always fun. Looking at the very short form beliefs of Lutherans, Calvinists, Reformed, and Anabaptists always elicited a lot of discussion. Always had to wrap it up in less than a day. First semester covered everything between pre-Homeric Greece and Napoleon.

[@d.c.washington]

This might be one of the best videos you have produced. Thanks for pouring so much into what you are doing here.

[@sharonlee2010]

Wow! Great discussion, young man!! Thank you for your clarity and non-judgmental approach to this subject!! 👍🏼🙏🏼📖

[@BethGrantDeRoos]

WOW!! I so appreciate discussions like this. Thank you!!

[@fluffysheap]

This is valuable for everyone - not just talk about denominations! I think Christian denominations tend to be more respectful of each other than the average of society, most of the time misrepresentations are misunderstanding, not intentional. Once in a while someone is a little shouty, usually across the Catholic/Protestant divide, but I think we do OK.

[@jamesparson]

IRL, there are only a few times I care of religion. 1. There is an idiot with a megaphone at the nearest shopping center. 2. There is a church down the street that causes traffic jams on Sunday and Wednesday 3. And there JWs at the local train station who getting in the way of people trying to get to work.

[@tylermayhan]

I love the way you present information! Thanks for sharing your knowledge of denominations and doctrines.

[@Sithman1776]

Great thoughts! I’ve been guilty of misrepresenting people at times. I think it’s a very tempting way of thinking, especially in our current society that tries to build walls whenever possible.

[@pastor-tom-sims]

I appreciate your approach. Fair is fair and, ultimately, the only truthful way to operate and honestly seek truth.

[@robertpease9834]

Remember Church is not a country club for Saints, but a hospital for sinners. You will find people in every denomination who will show their denomination in a bad light. Even Jesus had Judas in his group. Even Jesus knowing that Judas was going to betray Him, did not kick Judas out. We are told to pray for our enemies, and remember that Jesus loves the person you can't stand, and longs for them to repent and be saved.

[@chrisdennis1449]

What a great video outlining the two great commandments. Thank you The last 30 seconds of this video is a treasure worth more than gold

[@will2003michael2003]

Thank you! As a pentecostal its nice that people recognize that there are a lot of differences within our practices.

[@brucewinningham4959]

THANK YOU Brother. This is a Much Welcomed, Appreciated, & Needed video.

[@Fetch049]

Great video. Here's a suggestion for a future series of videos: how do the different denominations mobilize their missionaries and how are their missions organizations different (if they have such an organization.)

[@steveandrews6532]

One more time you are so articulate and balanced. Thank you for discussing the straw man and representing others correctly.

[@JDsVarietyChannel]

I'll speak for myself. I used to use straw man arguments too often, until I realized it wasn't Godly and does more harm than good. I do like your analogy of losing salvation. I struggled with how to articulate my views because "lose" doesn't make sense. I came up with the phrase that you can never "lose your salvation like you lose a sock." . One suggestion I have is NEVER take the bait when someone wants to put words in your mouth. IE: Don't agree to the word "lose" in conversation if doesn't accurately explain what you believe. Part of a straw man tactic can be people trying to back you into their terminology so you discredit yourself. I've learned not to give people a free pass, even in trying to be friendly (yes it can be awkward at first) . For example, if someone says "where do you go to church" I kindly explain that I can't possibly go to church, that the church consists of all true believers past, present and future. The church is not a physical building, therefore I can never attend it. It may seem petty. But I've learned that agreeing to nonoptimal terminology means no one learns the others position, and we just go on misunderstanding each other and promoting poor communication on both sides. Defining terminology is very important, otherwise conversations just go in circles. People can apply different meanings to different words too (sometimes this is strictly due to language/culture barriers and is not intentionally malicious) so being clear is best for everyone, and can help us avoid strife and unfruitful conversations (which Paul warned about engaging in) . If we learn to do this in conversation, intellectual bullies will never be able to drag us into a conversation that we can't win as well.

[@Roescoe]

Also never argue facts with someone who has no objective truth. Use emotional arguments for them.

[@Roescoe]

This is why I can argue with my atheist friend who does believe in objective truth and we successfully explore something.

[@soarel325]

Another big one is how the historical-critical method of Biblical scholarship is regularly misrepresented in Evangelical circles especially

[@jeandanielodonnncada]

I grew up Mormon, and am now a non-Mormon mainline Christian. Other Christians lying about Mormonism honestly probably kept me Mormon *longer* than I wanted to!

[@bobbycecere1037]

As far as religions that are misrepresented mormons is probably number 2 on the list. It's so strange that he didn't use them.

[@RichardDCook]

During my path to eventually converting to Catholicism I was amazed to discover that everything non-Catholics had said about the Catholic faith was wrong. It was an "aha!" moment and by extension I came to believe that everything non-Mormons said about the LDS was wrong, and that the same applied to all other religions. I remember having a deep discussion with an LDS guy, and as we parted did he say "here's a pamphlet"? Did he say "come attend an LDS service and check it out"? He did not. Rather, he simply said "pray about it".

[@HorseloverFat1984]

@@RichardDCook The "pray about it" part is one of the few things I really like about LDS. It teaches to trust God AND your mind. How would you not trust your mind if God created it in his own image?

[@majafleur9646]

I agree. I came out of the JW communuty after 42 years and almost left seminary training due to the extreme opposition I encountered there toward "cultish" type groups.

[@HorseloverFat1984]

Exceptional channel. Absolutely no bias, great rhetoric and information plentiful without beating to much around the bush. Probably the best Christian channel on KZbin.

[@terrymeadows1827]

This may be your best teaching video ever.. It stung, and I needed this. Thank you.

[@toranshaw4029]

This is why I like talking with others that have completely different views to me. For instance, I regularly attend a coffee morning in a nearby Baptist church... even though I'm not a Baptist!

[@litigioussociety4249]

I was once in a Bible study group in which the leadership of the group decided just for continuing to believe animals go to heaven after two lengthy discussions where I listened to their side, but they more or less ignored my points, that I must have an unteachable spirit. I prayed about whether I should leave the group, and when I returned once more, and intended to only sit and listen that week but, they immediately brought up the subject, and did nothing but bring up the matter again, and tear in to me once more, I had no choice but to leave for the sake of the others who were in the group desiring fellowship and learning. I hope my experience was a wake up call to anyone else in the group who later had a similar experience to consider leaving as well. It still baffles me that they felt this was a salvation issue, and my only guess are the time was their senior pastor or someone else had taught them that it was an unacceptable belief in the church.

[@PolymorphicPenguin]

That's horrible the way they treated you. I hope you were able to find a better Bible study group. I also hope those Bible study leaders are able to get right with God. They don't sound like they are saved Christians, so if you can find it in your heart you might pray for their salvation.

[@natalijaasbjornsen8827]

Not sure what was your position. But there is a point why I believe animals continue to exist in different form after death: 1) God does not punish innocence with destruction. It's not their fault that they die and degrade.Dont ask me how. But the Bible mentions about beautiful animals and trees in paradise( which is the place we don't know where is it - on heaven or not). . The little spirits that makes animals move , feel attachment , faithfulness to die for their master) are there . There are heavenly bodies and earthly bodies. There are mysteries we may not understand but I know my God does not bring desttactioh to innocent creature.

[@litigioussociety4249]

@@natalijaasbjornsen8827Originally, I leaned slightly toward believing they went to heaven, but wasn't strongly positioned, and it ended up taking over the entire lesson the first week after I mentioned it. Pretty much the leader spending the whole time giving his argument against animals going to heaven. At the end, they agreed to have the whole group discuss it the next week after letting me look into it. I came back the next week with my findings, concluding strongly that animals do go to heaven, and attempted to present my findings, but there were two problems that week: a different guy was leading who decided to reargue pretty much the same case as the previous guy, and at the end of the discussion, I think he was more reasonable, and more or less agreed to disagree, but they weren't happy about my position. Regardless, it was not a discussion I wanted to have again, so I prayed about whether I should stay in the group, and decided I would go back the next week, but just sit quietly while others discussed the lesson that was planned. Like The third week the first guy was back. This is when I intended to sit and listen rather than discuss it. However, the two leaders had clearly talked about it between sessions, and when the first guy heard I still believed, he asked me about it at the start of the study, and spent the whole time debating it. He was not open to discussing it, because whenever I would cite verses and such, he would go into a long speech, and ended up concluding I must have an unteachable spirit. If he would have at least allowed me to present all my findings, I might have stayed in the group, but the unteachable spirit thing pretty much was the sign I needed from God to leave. My recap is probably nicer than it really was, but it was so long ago I don't remember all the details that repeatedly made me uncomfortable the third week. The guy was basically calling into question my salvation just for believing animals go to heaven. That

[@the_real_littlepinkhousefly]

@@PolymorphicPenguin I would argue that's a fairly harsh way to judge those leaders. Clearly they weren't acting in a Christlike manner, but it absolutely doesn't mean they're not "saved Christians." Christians are human, we get ourselves in the way a lot, and we make mistakes. I certainly hope no one judges me as "unsaved" if I show un-Christlikeness sometimes. We're all in-process, none of us are perfectly like Jesus all the time. I'm sure it WOULD be helpful to pray for those folks to see how silly it is to spend hours arguing over something that isn't foundational to salvation, and for God to help them learn better how to show His grace to others.

[@jamesparson]

Is there a way to prove this one way or the other? Or is it just a battle of bible quotes?

[@ddff5242]

Thank you! This is soo needed. You should do more of these!

[@chris2fur401]

We probably all have been guilty of doing this at some point. Talking about another denomination or movement while just going by what we “think”. Another great video.

[@thetraditionalist]

good video, sadly the internet is basically just the cesspool of these kinds of bad faith arguments

[@fujikokun]

Seeking the truth should be paramount. Great video

[@jamesparson]

There are lots of fields in science you can study and research.

[@jehl1963]

Excellent discussion of an often difficult to grasp subject(s). Well done!

[@user-ew4qn1um2l]

"Play straw man whack-a-mo". Love it! I appreciate your moderate, clarifying voice. Saw myself in several descriptions in there! It's always dangerous to get dogmatic about our beliefs. Our Salvation centers on Christ, and what He accomplished on the Cross for us, and His righteousness; not on OUR works or righteousness.

[@swaneeboyjr.9421]

I am always happily amazed at your mission of fairly representing the different beliefs of Christian denominations! Your channel is so helpful and well researched. Thank you again for your thoughts and commentary that will help all of us to see one another with greater clarity and hopefully compassion!

[@JaaronOP]

One of your best if not your best video ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐

[@ReachOutToWilliam]

The issue here is confounded by the cancer of stereotyping and affixing a label for convenience. God knows those that His, and they will bear fruit that is observable.

[@lmgottschalkophile]

Thanks for your reasoned approach. It looks like love to me.

[@snyderpl]

You cannot say that you understand an opposing viewpoint until you can make their arguments as well as they can.

[@jamesparson]

Do you understand atheists?

[@samuellanghus1455]

@@jamesparson Atheism is such a broad range of different beliefs, philosophies, schools of thought, and depth of conviction, that “atheism” has as much effect as correctly identifying an entire list of differences as Christianity. Atheists have their own form of denominations, in that manner. Personally, I’ve heard quite a few different arguments, but I never say that all atheists agree with the same arguments. Ergo, specifics would more likely to be made to better establish a school of thought.

[@jamesparson]

@@samuellanghus1455 Indeed. And yet all are not convinced of a god or gods.

[@samuellanghus1455]

@@jamesparson So in that way, yes. Understanding the dictionary definition of “atheism” seems a bit more of a cop-out than “understanding _atheists themselves,”_ but I guess your answer is as technically right as possible across the spectrum without having to digress upon the specifics. You feel me?

[@jamesparson]

@@samuellanghus1455 I can dig it.

[@jammystarfish]

In 1:1 conversation it's best to ask someone their belief, since many people differ from what their own denomination formally teaches

[@Roescoe]

All of my 1:1 conversations that last more than a few minutes include a question about their belief of something. It's just a good way to communicate. Often this is not even intentional, just useful.

[@MrZemme]

This was very good. We need more of this. Thank you.

[@diego-search]

Very well said and not often enough by others. Your fairness and balance reminds me in part of the late Dr. David Edwin Harrell, whose histories/biographies of different American religious movements, were used as textbooks in both the most devout seminaries and the most secular universities.

[@kwpctek9190]

Most people don't know what they believe on basic soteriological fundamentals. Instead, most prefer to hunker next to swank A-type preachers wrote on maybe 30 verses, 30 passages, knows his book order and has seminary creds. The Bible's our only anchor. Now more than ever, it's commanded to know how rightly divide it.

[@DamonNomad82]

You make some good points in this video. One of the interesting things I've noticed is that non-Calvinist, non-Catholic Christians are often classified as "Arminians", even when their beliefs are quite different, such as the traditional Southern Baptist beliefs that are further from the Calvinist position than Arminians are in the sense that they reject the Augustinian concept of "Total Depravity" that both Calvinists and Arminians would affirm, but are closer to Calvinists than Arminians are in the position of believing "Once Saved, Always Saved", albeit in a subtly different way from the similar Calvinist belief in "Perseverance of the Saints". In other words, very few theological groupings are as simple as they are usually made out to be by those outside them!

[@jLjtremblay]

You're a wise, intelligent, and gifted young man; keep up the excellent work! God bless!

[@TheShadeTreeFixitMan]

Good overview of basic beliefs and the kind way to interact intelligently.

[@krazykris9396]

I remember religion for breakfast did a similar video on his channel. A lot of religions are misunderstood (i.e. While often believed to be peaceful (and it is for the most part) there have been examples of militant Buddhist groups in the past and even today there are some in Myanmar).

[@jeffkardosjr.3825]

Or the brutality of some Lamas.

[@michaels4255]

Quite a few Buddhist suicide bombers during the civil war in Sri Lanka (Ceylon) several years back.

[@thursoberwick1948]

@@michaels4255 I read a fascinating piece once by someone who trained to be a kamikaze pilot talking about how they were trained in Zen meditations about nothingness before their missions.

[@landonlawson2676]

Truth should never be afraid of cross-examination. If you're standing on truth there's no reason to misrepresent others.

[@oracleoftroy]

Amen! That's part of the reason I've grown more appreciative of the confessional denominations who are willing to take a positive stand on their beliefs and openly proclaim them to the world (even when I think they are wrong), and more and more assume those that are unwilling to do so of their own view but instead only attack others are in fact false teachers. If they were so assured that scripture was on their side, they would boldly proclaim their view.

[@kickpublishing]

This was a really worthwhile and well presented set of considerations that should be echoed from every pulpit. We’ll dome.

[@BradBer]

Brilliant, fair, wise, honest, logical, loving, careful, well put, and necessary.

[@Torby4096]

I realized that most all we know about other denominations are ridiculous over exaggerations of their teachings.

[@thelasthandbook6704]

I realize the content on this channel is typically denominational, but I would love to see you do a video on the Prosperity Gospel. As best I can tell it seems about as Christian as a Buddhist Prayer Wheel, but I'm certainly open to being proven wrong.

[@jamesparson]

This atheist would like to hear about the Prosperity Gospel too.

[@michaels4255]

It appears to have been invented by John Alexander Dowie, the founder of Zion, Illinois which was originally sort of like Jonestown without the suicides and with a better location, although it only took off in a big way with the American "Latter Rain Revival" after WW2. Gordon Lindsay, the publicist of that revival, was born in Zion about a year before Dowie died, so his parents were among Dowie's disciples. The doctrine has been a terrific tool for fundraising.

[@RepublicofE]

It would be a complicated discussion because it's been rebranded several times (what's the difference, if any, between Prosperity Gospel and Word of Faith Movement?) and because many preachers that clearly teach prosperity gospel would resist the term itself.

[@chrissanfino761]

Excellent points on how to have healthy discussions with other believers! I would like to add, on the position of eternal security that I think while nearly all Christians believe you can't lose salvation after simply sinning, most believe if you can lose salvation it would only be after continual unrepentant sin, which leads to apostasy. My belief is that if a person becomes apostate, he was not genuinely saved in the first place, but rather had an experience that many, perhaps including himself thought was genuine. It's actually a scary thought, that one could imagine himself saved, though "Christ knew him not". Hence the warnings we read in Hebrews chapter 6 and 10 should be heeded. I would say, a good test for ourselves is: if we find ourselves not repenting of our sins and turning back to God's grace through Christ, get back on our knees and pray that we be restored to him, wholly and steadfastly.

[@jbyerfamily]

You practice what you preach. I really appreciate your fairness in this channel.

[@EarlSoC]

You're doing good, Biblical work homie. Keep it up.

[@keithwolfe1942]

Even though both words and terms have meaning, different groups may use them in an unique way separate from another gtoup.

[@leslietascoff9784]

EXCELLENT! So many good points! ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️

[@faithbooks7906]

You have such integrity. It is so refreshing!

[@kirjian]

This video is pure quality. Thank you, I'll think twice about posting a strawman online :)

[@francesrude3007]

I love your vids. Thank you.

[@ReadyToHarvest]

Thanks for watching, Frances! glad to hear it.

[@Lets.Do.Exegesis]

Excellent point! Thanks for this video

[@johnmccadden7121]

I think we should try to make the most sense possible of the world we live in during the time we're here. I was criticized for not shedding a tear at my mother's funeral but I believed she was in the loving presence of God and no longer suffering from cancer and it wasn't suitable to spend that time feeling sorry for myself. I no longer believe in one god or any gods but I got to this point by study and reading and engaging in debate. This guy does the same and is a Christian. He has my respect for truly putting his money where his mouth is. He's the first believer I've encountered who has objectively done that.

[@twobrotherspodcast1328]

Great video

[@francesrude3007]

I know Jesus was baptized, and he fulfilled that also. When I received Jesus, I was baptized into his death, burial and resurrection.

[@robertAGC]

Excellent video. I like the exercise at the end where you try to explain your understanding of a denomination to somebody from that denomination who can confirm or dispute your understanding. Of course, that’s not without danger. A sample size of 1 person comes with its own problems. So you want to be careful who you interview (eg authorized clergy or expert layperson). Also, when presenting your findings to others, be transparent about the inherent limitations behind how you validated what you learned.

[@RichardDCook]

A valid point, a sample size of 1 is worth exactly that. As a Catholic I've heard persons who claim to have been Catholic completely misrepresent Catholic beliefs and teachings. Did they really attend Catholic services and honestly create a construct in their brain that's diametrically opposed to reality?

[@Keonny77]

One of your best videos ever!

[@tgmccoy1556]

I have a long Lutheran background I go to a Baptist congregation. Mainly due to the two Lutheran congregations Lcms and ELCA, being too chummy at the expense of doctrine. My cousin, life long Catholic, (Benedictine) you would not know she was Catholic by the conversation you would have with her. This was a great presentation . We are not so far apart.

[@Hark1677]

I, too, once was Lutheran. I’m a member of a Reformed Baptist Church. We still keep Luther at high esteem. My pastor’s son is named Luther.

[@langreeves6419]

Thankful for the multitude of denominations, there's a place for everyone. I grew up Baptist. I heard a lot about Luther. Read several of biographies of him, but never thought I'd become a Lutheran. The more I studied the Bible, the more I disagreed with many Baptist doctrines and practices. I finally ended up in the ELCA where I find doctrines and practices to agree more with my biblical studies.

[@crossbearer6453]

If u think Catholics and Lutherans are alike then that’s probably because the Catholics you interact with aren’t pushy, like your cousin

[@crossbearer6453]

@@langreeves6419 if a multitude of denominations with conflicting teachings is what Christ intended , then He would not have chosen disciples

[@tgmccoy1556]

@@crossbearer6453 Well she goes to Benedictine run church and Abby they do seem not pushy

[@jamesterrance]

This presentation is such an important reminder for all of us. How easy it is for us to be so wrapped up in winning an argument that we'll do anything to make our case...some of us don't want to hear a different view. BTW, I haven't read all the comments, so maybe this has been addressed, but just a point of interest, I don't think Arminius himself ever make a claim one could lose their salvation. If I recall correctly, he himself said he needed to study the issue more. Am I right? (I think I read this in one of Roger Olson's books.)

[@EssenceofPureFlavor]

That's correct. The main difference between classical Arminianism and Calvinism really comes down to free will vs determinism. Arminians take the same stance as Calvinists regarding total depravity, however would say God's prevenient grace allows us to respond positively to the Holy Spirit, but we can still choose to resist Him and remain in disobedience. On matters aside from soteriology, Arminius took a very similar position to Calvin and had great respect for him, which shouldn't be surprising since he was part of the same movement and was actually a pastor in the Dutch Reformed church. I think why a lot of people don't realize this is because when most people think of Arminianism they think specifically of the subset Wesleyan Arminianism, which does explicitly say we can forfeit our salvation.

[@jamesterrance]

@@EssenceofPureFlavor Many don't think the difference is between free will vs. determinism (though that is a significant difference) rather it's the nature of God. Would the essence or character of God allow for predestining some to hell, never giving any hope of responding to grace because grace is withheld? That's not who God is, Arminians would say.

[@NC-vz6ui]

Amen Brother! You do a great job. It seems that many Christians over generalize groups of people.

[@nicholasmassey3262]

Fantastic video! Thank you!

[@nisibonum7634]

This dude would be fun to eat lunch with

[@keturahspencer]

As a person who grew up in a Pentacostal home and didn't know Catholics were Christian untill high school, thank you. I was always told that they aren't Christians, they're "papists &" Mary worshipers." When I was in high school I saw a girl with an ash mark on her forehead and asked her about it. I took pretty much everything the church and my family told me with a huge grain of salt after that, especially about other people. Edit: I moved quite a bit so saw a number of different churches. Only very few had people "sleighn" in the spirit and none had them all speaking in tongues at the same time. One person would say something, then another. Also, I'm now an atheist and have been for years.

[@hglundahl]

My mother was told Catholics in Italy weren't Christians and needed missionaries. She went down, found out they _were_ Christians so I never grew up with that prejudice. Me and ma were Church hoppers, I am now a Catholic, but as to whom I consider as representing the Church I have been somewhat of a Church hopper this side of the Tiber too. Last seven years I have held Pope Michael as the real Pope, he died about a month ago, Aug. 2.

[@alhilford2345]

@@hglundahl : There is no Pope Michael. Someone has been lying to you.

[@hglundahl]

@@alhilford2345 I wonder if you are bluffing me, or if you are just bluffing yourself you know things better than those who know. There is a Pope Michael on a graveyard, though the gravestone might mention only his civil name, David Allen Bawden. He just died Aug. 2. This is what he was defending his position as pope with, in June: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jmG4c3uZg7-oarc

[@alan7761]

@@hglundahl I am not catholic. But I do not understand how it is spiritually healthy to hop churches and also getting in to church politics like not accepting the current pope or past one's or certain dogmas. It seems like ego to think I know better than my superiors. I would think obedience is preferable as you grow spiritually and if your superiors were wrong and taught incorrect dogmas then you are already blameless. You know what I mean?

[@hglundahl]

@@alan7761 _"if your superiors were wrong and taught incorrect dogmas then you are already blameless."_ _"It seems like ego to think I know better than my superiors."_ Not if I were reasonably sure they were teaching heresy and therefore could not be my or anyone else's legitimate superiors. Does it seem like ego you are reasonably sure that Christianity is true? To some it clearly does. Nevertheless, you would arguably agree that you _can_ be reasonably sure of that. Or you wouldn't be a Christian at all, you wouldn't be worried about the dangers of Church hopping or knowing better than your superiors. Can there be a possibility one can be reasonably sure a "Pope" who is promoting Evolutionism not just as an option but basically as correct doctrine is a heretic and therefore cannot be Pope? Can there be situations when avoiding poisoning goes before growing spiritually?

[@bkt6025]

I highly respect this ,,,we should never ever misrepresent another view , no matter how wrong I think they are

[@ultimatebros923]

Amazing thoughts.

[@jeff3741]

Raised in the AG. Attended several congregations over 10 years. It was solidly in the doctrine officially or unofficially that dying with a single unconfessed sin would "bust the gates of hell wide open." So yes in three columns.

[@RayArias]

As a non Christian, I actually find these videos very interesting because a lot of the points you typically present can frequently apply to denominations/sects/varieties of other faiths and belief systems. Also, as a former Christian, while your discussions are not likely to "convert" me back to Christianity, they do help me see it in a more objective, and even more positive, light than I have previously since my transition away from it. Thank you for your informative and enlightening videos.

[@simonskinner1450]

I was in exactly you position some years back, and I suspected rightly there can only be one legitimate church, and have researched and found the truth. The most important expose is the way the blood of Jesus is misrepresented, which was my first conquest for truth. Now as an ex-Christian you may find my Ytube video series 'Myths in so-called Christianity' interesting.

[@kenwebster5053]

I suspect a lot of people could benefit quite a lot from this from this little talk. It may be best to argue the views, not denominations, groups or individuals who may or may not hold them.

[@brendaboykin3281]

Thank you, Joshua 🌹🌹🌹🌹

[@stokenasty]

Why would any group be preaching against any other faith in a Sunday school class in the first place? This kind of conflict-heavy approach to religion is incorrect for any Christian faith. By your fruits you shall know them.

[@cmotherofpirl]

My Baptist aunt said her preacher talked against Catholics every single week. She didn’t believe us when we said our priest never talked about Baptists. When her church had a party type occasion for her birthday, knowing she had catholic relations present, made jokes about rosary beads, the pope etc. It was pathetic.

[@polemeros]

Apparently you think that the word Christian is equal to the word nice. 19 centuries of history suggests that you are incorrect.

[@Adam-fj9px]

@@cmotherofpirl something I've noticed too, I've seen countless videos of protestant pastors calling catholics evil and satanic yet I've never heard a single priest even mention any other denomination, let alone insult them

[@davidjanbaz7728]

@@cmotherofpirl that's interesting because my Baptist Pastor never mentioned Catholics at All : that's why growing up I never knew anything about Roman Catholics. Only through the Trent Horn and Dr. Gavin Ortlund's videos do you get good discussions on the differences.

[@cmotherofpirl]

@@polemeros I’m personally more interested in being good, then being nice.Good implies a standard, nice implies appeasement. Any religion that spends more time hating others than loving God has a problem.

[@robertsullivan4773]

I'm so glad I was born a Catholic all these non Catholic Christian Denominations are so confusing 😕. Since my first Communion I have know from day to day what my standing is with my lord Jesus Christ and if I have become side ways with him exactly what I have to do to get right with my Father. Right now I'm happy to report I'm good. But it's late and tomorrow morning I have to get up and be the follower he wants me to be and I must not stubble.

[@LovelyLadyLissett]

New to your channel and really appreciate your content. I truly believe the holy spirit lead me to your channel! God bless!

[@zaldrizo]

If only those of who are Welcoming and Affirming were shown even a modicum of this level of respect, decency, and care. 🤷🏼‍♂️