Big Jon McCarthy Tells Me I BROKE THE RULES VS MERAB… Red HawkRecap Ep. 157

The LEGEND Big Jon MCCARTHY!
On this week's episode of the Red Hawk Recap, Tim “The Red Hawk” Welch is joined by the legend Joe Riggs, and one one of the best MMA Referee's ever, Big Jon McCarthy. Big Jon tells all on Tim's corner antics, how he wrote the MMA rules that are used today, UFC 307 Breakdown, Bully Beatdown and more!
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Timestamps:
0:0 Intro
1:09 PrizePicks!
1:49 Welcome Big John McCarthy!
2:03 Big John Refereed at UFC 2
2:43 Big John Trained with the Gracie’s in the 90s
3:33 How Big John Became a Ref
6:03 The Hilarious Early Days UFC Ref Ideas
6:32 Big John Wrote the MMA Rules Used Today
6:46 The Old UFC Was WILD (Legal Nut Shots)
9:05 Why the UFC Adopted Stricter Rules
10:21 BIG NEW MMA Rule Change Coming Soon
12:54 Big John on the Tim and Merab Corner Call Outs
15:16 Big John’s Biggest Referee Mistake in a Fight
18:31 How Referees Watch Fights in the Cage
20:12 Who Created the 5-Minute Round Rule for MMA/How Rules Were Implemented
28:07 How Fighters Were (Not) Notified of New Rules
29:30 John McCain was SO Corrupt (“Hated” MMA)
30:24 How Today’s MMA Rules were Created
32:02 The UFC was Almost 2 minute Rounds?
33:36 Pride Yellow Cards were AWFUL…
34:57 The Most Nervous Big John was for a Fight
35:20 Why Does the UFC Use the Same Refs?
39:30 Alex Pereira vs Khalil Rountree BREAKDOWN
42:04 Ilia Topuria vs Max Holloway BREAKDOWN
44:41 Robert Whittaker vs Khamzat Chimaev BREAKDOWN
47:30 Big John has a 70 Acre Farm
49:00 How Hard is it to Kill Animals on Your Farm?
50:10 Joe Tells John About His Penile Fracture
50:43 How Helps John on His Farm?
52:05 Big John’s Morning Routine
52:41 Does Big John Do Drugs? (Hilarious Edible Story)
56:39 Big John’s Caffeine Routine
57:16 Joe Refereed Once and It Went….
57:52 What is Refereeing Actually Like?
58:20 The Hardest Fight Big John Had to Ref
1:00:20 Refereeing Rory McDonald vs Robbie Lawler
1:02:35 Big John Arrest Joe’s Dad?! (Bully Beatdown)
1:03:28 Was Bully Beatdown Staged?
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[@Adam-i9o6l]

Big John should be in the hall of fame

[@solohans4740]

I’m sure he will be

[@boeshull475]

1000%

[@tylenolrx7699]

10000%

[@tylenolrx7699]

@@boeshull475lmao

[@jimmynesbit1803]

That’s dumb af who next joe rogan, Brittney palmer? Where does it end

[@javierfromthegggnetwork9657]

Unc Riggs keeps looking healthier every single pod. Love to see it 🔥

[@pixelsack5815]

@@javierfromthegggnetwork9657 uncle riggs is a legend man

[@nickbarnes4312]

Bro yes, got the clean fade goin😤💪🏼

[@toothbudz420]

Who would ever think he’d become bff’s with Sean and Tim. I think they’re a good influence on him

[@benmcreynolds8581]

This is without a doubt the best episode of all time. The amount of detail and focus on diving into MMA was amazing

[@kylesurber6008]

JR=Low life human

[@brucemohon740]

Same

[@filasocks1]

hard to top riggs staunching someone with down syndrome tho

[@linesy-uz4lr]

Big Riggs is a legend,savage

[@scottmccoy432]

Bro whoever edited the vid needs a raise the clips are great

[@Saltymma]

We need this Trio more often!! 🔥

[@paulhancock]

Nothing but respect to John. Great show fellas. I could listen to John's stories for hours! I think we all recognise and respect what Dana has done to grow the UFC to what it is today, and it's his single-mindedness which has overcome a lot of obstacles which could have buried the UFC. BUT Dana's ego has also forced some absolute legends out of the organisation, and it's so disappointing to me the number of people that built this sport who are no longer welcome at a UFC event, and not even acknowledged. John is one of those people... That man should be high up within the organisation in a key position, but Dana just won't be questioned or challenged and that's sad. It's his way or the highway. I hope that changes one day, and I hope bridges can be built.

[@BlvckRu]

that documentary would be interesting to the OG MMA Community

[@Tentoesdownmedia]

So many legends on this pod 💯

[@josephphelps4510]

Tim your the man for this content

[@surthrivingalaska2511]

Thanks for all the little clips of the fights and stuff you are talking about makes it so easy to be fully part of the conversation.

[@johngilboyjr3305]

Big John is the only person who I listen to on rules and regulations he’s truly a legend and non biased

[@jedediah5688]

As a MMA fan, and first and foremost, UFC fan… I remember watching UFC one that my friend recorded on a VHS tape from the bootleg dragon box back in the day… I’ve been following the sport and all promotions for 30 years… This is by far the fucking Radis podcast I’ve ever seen… The history that Big John shared with us was absolutely amazing… And camaraderie between these men was super cool to watch… Good job Tim thank you!

[@dylanromero636]

Bully beat down question at the end was awesome

[@briandavis1798]

Always great to spend the Thursday afternoon with the Redhawk and uncle Joe

[@gffted]

Big Jon is fucking awesome

[@Suitrags]

Two of the greatest minds in MMA 🫡

[@shaun2258]

Wouldn’t call John a great mind lmao

[@gda2106]

Incredible content, this episode. Good on TW to have Big John on to clarify rules and regs and give us these history lessons. And such great convos. Absolutely awesome

[@HamStew24]

I never knew John's story! Truly the godfather of refereeing in UFC. His memory of events and things that have occurred is incredible. I can't remember what happened yesterday nevermind!

[@tmillz120]

Fuck yeah boys love when Tim drops when I’m at work

[@imbetter599]

drops deuses

[@kylelloyd8913]

Tim this was magical. Thanks Jon and Diesel!

[@joet81]

I love that you brought up Mark hominick! I used to train with him and Sam Stout when they fought in the ufc. I live in the same town as Mark does now and my kid plays soccer with his kid. He's a great guy and a fighter that doesn't get the recognition that he deserves!

[@jakethesnake4971]

All you young bucks should put respect in big John's name 💯. He's one of the most important guys in building mma period.

[@SlumpGod-zc3wt]

You see the cartel robbed those trucks at gun point in Waddell. I live in Waddell seen it on my ring app.

[@diegorobles6660]

Fire pod 🔥🔥

[@kenbollin]

Absolutely incredible pod Tim! Thanks

[@BadBoy_604]

0:54 - that was cool to hear as a way to start a podcast.

[@nickbarnes4312]

Definitely need more refs on!!!! Make this a segment!!!

[@bigben42]

Herzog, mark smith, herb dean, definitely some decent content there

[@jackreacher2095]

Tim's coaching that night was the coaching equivalent of Megan Andersons title fight

[@Kream180]

Dude is a legend fr didn’t know he had that big an impact on ufc

[@borednessislife]

Damn, I never knew just how legendary this man is. That fish hooking story is some shit I’ll never forget lol.

[@fitskicksnhits]

the greatest pod on earth hands down

[@HolisticClips]

Blasphemous take

[@Cringe.gaming]

Happy Friday from Perth Australia jobins 🇦🇺🏆

[@SkolValhalla66]

Oof, Tim saying Anthony Smith is like Perria is rough. Maybe on paper....

[@Diegoooo4]

This was such a good listen for hardcore fans

[@BReadyMMA]

“In the bedroom like let’s get it on” had me rolling😂

[@JColeJ97]

Big John is my favorite ref. Wish he would come back to work for the UFC!

[@PO-nt4qr]

Great video, feels like ufc history class

[@endeavourprod]

Big John the goat, always love uncle Joe on the pod

[@sageftp]

great pod Tim!

[@ajay.gillig]

Quick s/o to Big Jon!! He taught by Uncle "in-law" How to be a referee in MT. One or 2 of Seans early KO highlights had my Unc as the Ref in the cage!

[@brucemohon740]

Best podcast you have done so far 👏 Man this was a Banger!

[@JB-wi3vn]

Hey, that was a good interview. Good job, Tim.

[@Ajagodkin]

I feel like most casuals dont understand why things are the way they are in this sport. They should just watch this video and Big Old John will explain it perfectly. Cheers

[@Hardcore-0070]

Kick ass episode 🤘 I've been watching ufc since the first ppv. I had to rent the tapes at Blockbuster for the ufc's before the first ppv. Boxing just wasn't the same after that.

[@Tjmizzy97]

Good show big Johns the man

[@BensonS-i3b]

Such a good episode, fellas !

[@tmillz120]

That’s fish hooking and never do that 😂😂😂😂

[@joannebuczkowski2084]

Rolls Royce Gracie rolling some of that high-level jui jitsu! 🥋🤼‍♂️🤝

[@KillerT_]

great episode. johns a legend

[@steadyshakey6599]

I would have liked to see him weigh in on the massive impact Schmitty had on the weigh in's.

[@VickiAnderson-l1z]

Big John is the OG💪💪💪

[@Scratchfamily_pnw]

Fantastic episode

[@DgWilson-e5w]

Tim , great show!!!

[@scrapiornryan]

Big john is the truth 🙌🏻

[@J87Leese]

Great pod!

[@dannyquest828]

Big John is the fkn man !

[@bigsethyyy]

this episodes gold😂😂

[@Babystan02]

Almost to 200k ‼️‼️

[@Birdie121]

He should definitely be in the pioneer wing of HOF at the very least, huge impact helping UFC become a sport

[@ultimatefactschampionship8758]

Jon just asserted that it's illegal, but didn't actually cite a rule. I wish you had asked him to prove what he was saying and then asked why Aljo was allowed to taunt Sean but you weren't allowed to taunt Merab. It also would have been great to hear if it was actually legal for Herb to pause the fight when Merab was throwing his hissy fit, because it completely took away a huge advantage Sean had in that moment.

[@sabaaptsiauri3966]

oio idiote

[@blastfiend7478]

I love Kronk from the emperor’s new groove

[@nyk5761]

W pod uncle red!

[@scambaitnaansense512]

Joe Riggs is a great Vet of the sport

[@devinheeter6609]

John’s cool but it makes ya cringe pretty hard hearing him try to take credit for making all the rules on his own. Discrediting everyone else that had major roles along the way.

[@wankercranker]

BJM is the best ref overall imho but he like most people have a big ego and the human memory is not to be trusted. The brain kind of makes shit up so he probably thinks that he is 100% honest when he says it.

[@alexpereira6528]

From the coaching to the distraction "techniques" it was just an abysmal coaching night from Red Hawk. He'll learn and be better next fight

[@joshualocklear6284]

If big jon said you broke the rules then you broke the rules. Alot of people dont actually know this but jon wrote the rulebook for the ufc

[@codycox2465]

BIG JOHN IS DUH RULE

[@theblackirishshaman9013]

Rigs is a legend

[@robertdumitru8675]

Why can't John actually cite where in the rules the things he's talking about are located?

[@VG-ej4ut]

Because it’s not an actual rule.

[@Birdie121]

It's not like a law book idiot, oh foul pg.87, corner violation sect.6, penal code 1174. The dude made the rules, wtf do you care for anyway

[@jonathanmoore7582]

It's under section 80 which is for corners. "80. A second may not coach excessively or disruptively from the corners during a bout and may not simulate sounds which could be confused for the bell, horn, whistle or clacker.".

[@jonathanmoore7582]

It's obviously subjective and I feel like if they are able to yell the whole time and try to influence the judges that strikes are landing I don't think most refs would care but now Tim has a target on him.

[@marko.m8]

I hope big john knows how big shmitty made the UFC 2 press conference 😢😮

[@Pacman_996]

Never change tim you be you i didnt see nothing wrong with it its just mind games at the end of the day merab is just a angry little man

[@christopherpeterraby]

God bless you Joe Rigs

[@SeanAndrews-h2p]

Imagine aljo got the L to Sean overturned due to violating the rule of speaking to the opponent

[@iggmeister4137]

Thumbnail could maybe use a bit work

[@2024ty]

"yeah bud. Were almost done buddy. Use some of that Suga to snipe him bud" 😂🤣😂 🤡🤡

[@LazyMotivationChannel]

And who is "big john mccarthy" to tell you about the rules?

[@mitchcolangelo550]

Charles olivera headbutt the fuck outta arman in the 1st round. Made me root against him the rest of the fight tbh

[@Baetosis]

red cawk academy

[@linckes1102]

banger

[@patsmith6405]

Anthony smith is jealous a f right now. The man, the myth, the legend. Big JoHN Mmmmmmmmcc. Carthyyyyyyyy

[@TravelTraderG]

dont give Joe any ideas with them fishooks hell be using them next time his out n about 🤣

[@Hardcore-0070]

Whittaker is fucking khamzat up in round 3. possibly in round 2. Khamzats only chance is round 1. Usman fight was a draw, but like usual the judges suck and gave it to Khamzat. Usman doesn't have knees anymore so wrestling Khamzat was not an option

[@brownpav]

Winners

[@jakethesnake4971]

Tim and Joe, it's so surprising how you guys are sensitive when it comes time to kill the farm animals for slaughtering. It's not inhumane in any way if done effectively. Every animal that you guys have eaten, has most likely had a rough existence.

[@AN-hv1vm]

TENORE

[@Zantora]

🇰🇿🇰🇿🇰🇿

[@cchia6640]

Sean lost to merab to avoid the umar fight, he didnt even try. Now he’ll come back and beat merab easy after merab gets umar out of the way.

[@Ghost4PF-]

@@cchia6640 merab not beating umar

[@franciscodiaz1214]

Vro is smoking fent

[@pointnine5030]

@@Ghost4PF-he is

[@Ghost4PF-]

@@pointnine5030 I don’t see merabs wrestling overpowering umar and in that case umar is a far better striker than merab.

[@KZ_MMA_]

So delusional 😂

[@simonlee498]

I think dana will work on sean vs ryan garcia boxing

[@alexdevine760]

Thanks for this Tim Jon needs more respect and flowers.

[@tism7710]

Yeet

[@alexdevine760]

Every time i see joe riggs i just think of Nick and that mad story hahaha i love nick diaz