Fourth Generation Bagua Kungfu Master Talks About Chinese Kungfu - An Analysis

[@FightCommentary]

Here are the time codes for this interview critique: Bagua master's explanation of what he thinks Kung Fu is 0:00; 1:23 Bagua masters explain forms applied and how they can easily lose the practicality; 2:19 Fight Commentary Breakdowns segue; 2:54 Too deadly for sport? 4:24 Fight Commentary Breakdowns analysis of the Bagua master's words; 5:47 Force Multiplier used in real fight example and analysis; 7:55 Bagua master's honest thoughts on other masters 8:33 Fight Commentary Breakdowns thoughts on kung fu If you like my translations and want to learn Chinese, please go to my learn Chinese channel: kzbin.info/door/_E_R34VQo47FfnwF3ABlDQ

[@SirisInidite]

Poke Poke Okay but I am not gonna have that gun everywhere

[@onepunchman6416]

Kung fu is BUUUUUUUUULLLLLLLLSSSSSHHHHHHHIIIIIIIIITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[@SirisInidite]

OnePunch Man well unlike you,Kung fu serves a purpose in this world

[@onepunchman6416]

What purpose? Oh right that this shit works in combat dont make me laught and fyi i have purpose in this world thats why i exist you dumb fuck

[@ninjaboy5191]

Fight Commentary Breakdowns listen want to learn how to fight I’ll teach you the real way go into old style war with blades and clubs get into fights on the streets everyday with no rules no martial arts needed you’ll be the best and that’s honestly what it comes down to you’ll form too many habits from sports fighting which is bad for a real fight all these styles are the same just depends on a person and how they train it

[@kaiya2]

Pressure testing is a absolute must in any system you train in.

[@humannatureismetal1263]

Wing Chun Bing Fa Kung Fu Academy In any skill set you practice. (Swimming, cooking, painting) it's all (hypothesis) untill it's applied.

[@humannatureismetal1263]

Thank you. Fixed

[@fujitafunk]

Zhao Da Yuan is a true Chinese gem of a teacher! He was and still a straight-shooter and tells it like it is. He used to be a police captain and the main unarmed combatives trainer for Beijing's police force. I trained with him around 2011 in Beijing. He's the real deal and his training is no joke. I'm not talking like silly kung-fu movie style training, I'm talking 6 hours a day in a poorly ventilated matted room. It's application, it's sparring, it's throwing people and taking them down. It really does not feel like Kung-fu because it's not diluted with forms and cultural dance.

[@defjulz]

Cheung Geng Lok what system of baguazhang does he teach?

[@Reggie562]

I was able to study with him briefly as well. His primary Ba Gua teacher was Li Zi Ming, he was one of his disciples.

[@ahmadnurzam7402]

Depth Julz Liang Zhenpu style.

[@Rajj854]

Was he Ma Xuanshu student.

[@daoyang223]

Of course. Makes sense. He was a damn police captain.

[@NoahNobody]

I did the ponytail pull on one guy in my club. The next time I saw him, he had cut his hair.

[@daoyang223]

Remember early UFC and MMA? Karate guys wore their gi and the Judo guys and the greco roman guys kept throwing them haha

[@Joobkl]

I think the Muay Thai guy was wearing a Monkol (Traditional Headband) Maybe that's why he was upset

[@gxtmfa]

I don’t want to say a lot of Kung fu is useless, but I am willing to say it is on a respirator. If it’s being taught by masters who have never sparred and the practitioners never spar, it can’t survive much longer.

[@truthguy7577]

I'll say it for you, traditional kung-fu is quite useless as combat. The truth is, it never was useful outside its own context, but its popularity and mystique was fueled through movies and entertainment, so that people (especially Westerners) began to think it held magical properties. Sorry, but kung-fu was never this. I will tell you what kung-fu is useful for: getting into shape, preserving ideas of tranquility and meditation, etc...

[@pascal0868]

gxtmfa; Many of us boomers fell for the Bruce Lee effect. The movies pushed it so we came to this point. The fighters I knew growing up did boxing or judo. They enjoyed anything with sparring. The rest of us who couldn’t and can’t still fight for shit did wing chun and other exotica to allow us to overcome the aggressive types. Although it makes sense now that to fight you need to train to fight you have to remember back in the day we were told I was possible with the right system to overcome aggressive people. There was no internet there was only mystery and myths. Which I believed and regret now. Kung fu was for the the little guy. But there was a lot of fake made up stuff taking advantage of us kids. People who’ve invested a long time in Kung fu and k ow they can’t fight have resorted to Re marketing it for health and making friends. Funny how there were real hard core schools like Bak Mei and Southern mantis but they were too tough and brutal for average person who was besotted by Kwai Chang Kane and his mystical moves. Useless. Oh well it was quite the ride being taken for a ride

[@taylorbee4010]

gxtmfa Bruce said this 40 years ago

[@taylorbee4010]

Pascal 0 jkd is incredibly aggressive

[@CountAbel]

Outside of its own context? And what context might this be?

[@astrid4505]

I practiced Sanda for some time and then i started doing shaolin kung fu. I 100% agree with you. I believe that if you try to adapt the moves of a form to real combat it can work. One of my favourite takedowns i took it from a form and i have thrown opponents off the sanda platform many times using it.

[@Adrendel]

A really good insight right there. This should be the way not only for TMA but for all other things.

[@FightCommentary]

Yep!!

[@allsortsoffurs]

Every sport must now its limitations then, which makes sense. I like translations so much. They give us a look into something we wouldn't be able to find and understand by ourselves.

[@manuferreri]

why can't i find my own homeless chinese kung fu legend who is willing to teach me :(

[@daoyang223]

Lmao the old man in the park from Shenmue II

[@2super0nasty6]

Old hermit from Kung-Fu hustle :D

[@tysonmccorkle1036]

Thank you for translating him, he really sounds like a wise man

[@stefanoneil6937]

I have been practicing taichi for 5 years and when my master didn't pressure test me I found a Sanda and MMA guy to get some experience in combat.

[@nikthetrickster9948]

How did it go?

[@Aikunle78]

Kung Fu needs to be constantly practised and more importantly, the applications put into practice too, during training. I read that when the 16th century general Yu Dayou 俞大猷 (reputed for defeating Wokou pirates which would have included in their number skilled Japanese swordsmen) visited Shaolin temple, he found their pole fighting techniques not to be practical enough for actual warfare and combat and hence trained them. The temple had previously enjoyed long periods of peace and the practicality of their pole fighting had diminished over the ages.

[@FightCommentary]

Yep. Most of Shaolin techniques are overrated. Most people associate Shaolin with Jet Li’s Shaolin Temple. That’s a movie. Not real 🤓😜

[@honeybuns6561]

Make Kung Fu Great Again 🇨🇳

[@dmxmartialarts]

we need to vote Donald Trump as the president of the International Wushu Federation

[@timm285]

Kaandarus Jackson only President Trump can do that.

[@Fno356L2]

fuck u & trump

[@arbogast4950]

@@Fno356L2 what an astonishing arguement

[@Fno356L2]

@@arbogast4950 You are welcome

[@pauliethemushroomman]

Bruce lee realized this many decades ago.

[@mrblaque215]

Excellent video bro. I practiced Kung Fu for many years, and I sparred full contact with protective gear for 18 years. Yes, it’s one dimensional, but we practiced eye attacks and despite getting destroyed in sparring against mma fighters, boxers, kickboxers, wrestlers, and bjj guys (I did well against other stylists who practiced the same Kung Fu as myself), but when I had to defend myself on the street, battlefield in Iraq, and in county jail, my Kung Fu Bil Jee eye attack never failed me. ✊Kung Fu needs a 21st Century update.

[@Supermomo2007]

update?? human have still 2 arms and 2 legs

[@jdub7771]

I first started tkd and got my bb when I was 18-ish. I began to do different styles of Kungfu (shaolin/hard styles) then I began to do Chen Taiji and yin Bagua for years. I was lucky to train under a couple of masters who thought similar to this, showing actual usage and having us drill it then try in live sparring. For the past year I've been training at an mma gym, doing bjj and muay Thai. I'm really glad that I learned that traditional stuff, because a lot of the Taiji&Bagua "principles" I can apply when rolling in bjj. I'm even more glad I'm training in bjj and muay Thai because now I understand what is useful to me and what is not and it gives me an opportunity to "pressure test". There is so many similarities in these martial arts, but like stated - Chinese martial arts are stagnant and dead. Too much ego, not wanted to test your skill and lose. Awesome video! Awesome comments from you guys. Awesome channel!

[@eyesopen444]

Bruce Lee said "always remember the finger JAB, Very important" he was doing 80lbs reps with his fingers!!!!

[@u.v.s.5583]

Master Ken said, Always Restomp the Groin. He also said, Kung Fu is bullshit.

[@eyesopen444]

This is what I love about your channel!! thanks for these translations!!!

[@christiangudmundsson8390]

Cool, I really appreciate all the chinese clips, things I could never find nor understand myself. Also, I want more panda fights!

[@FightCommentary]

Oh it :)

[@Kaithedad]

He had some really amazing insights. My father and uncles grew up in the 50s and 60s, and they all know a bit of kung fu growing up, and got into street fights on a weekly basis - stories of my dad waking up covered in blood in the gutters, and my uncle's knife wounds. They all say similar things as this master. Kung Fu works on the street if applied for 'killing', and it doesn't work well in a controlled regulated arena. They do admit also that today almost no traditional kung fu practitioner can use it they way they have seen, and that a boxer of a few years can beat almost any of them.

[@someguynamedphil2349]

I really liked the example with the special forces. Great way to illustrate an important point.

[@JerryLiuYT]

Yep ;)

[@SI-ln6tc]

Single poke

[@jimmyalderson1639]

My judo teacher does a similar thing to what your jiu jitsu professor says. If i do something illegal (such as pulling the head down while in a triangle choke) he explains that you can't do it in judo sport, but in jiu jitsu, on the streets it's fine. Most people would just say 'no, don't do that'

[@realherbalism1017]

The American special forces guy used a classic tiger claw to the face that came straight out of the WW2 H2H combat methods of W.E. Fairbairn. These were originally taught to both the British & American special forces units. There are only about 20 or so techniques but ALL of them are designed to get the biggest bang for the buck. A relative of the Tiger claw is the chin jab (not to be confused with the boxing technique). It can easily knock a man out or even break his neck if a solid strike is landed. All of these techniques were designed to be easy to learn so that minimal time would be spent in training & still give the soldier a solid chance to defend themselves & kill the enemy.

[@FightCommentary]

Thanks for the information! I will look up W.E. Fairbairn!

[@joejitsu034]

I practiced Wing Chun for many years & can say for a fact that it works in real combat. Short, straight & effective techniques.

[@isabellawolgoth9447]

Which battlfield and which war?

[@ManPursueExcellence]

Yup

[@numberone-kb2kh]

It does not work, WC is a joke

[@Aikunle78]

I like this dude, Jerry Liu for his diverse interests as evident from the variety of subjects from his channels; from videos on Martial Arts and MMA to videos about wooing beautiful chicks. That's what I call having a full appreciation for the wonderful things life has to offer.

[@NextScamdemic]

Bas Rutten talked about this on the Joe Rogan podcast. His point is that thinking "dirty techniques" will save you is not valid since the other guy has all the same dirty techniques at his disposal as well. I keep a bo staff or a short staff in my car at all times, I think they are excellent self-defense weapons.

[@UrBoyTaz]

Those weapons are illegal better off carrying a register handgun...

[@danpt2000]

how about just pepper spray and run. Much more compact than a bo staff. But if I were to carry non chemical weapon nor a gun, I'd choose nunchuks.

[@danpt2000]

like, if someone catches you with your window open, punches you in the face, you gonna try and poke em in face with the bo staff? I don't think so. you need a more compact weapon.

[@defjulz]

Tim Proc a staff can be carried in many places. It is considered a demonstration prop for dance.

[@erictomdavidfries6756]

A good improvisational weapon, as sticks are everywhere.

[@salsadjuniversity]

Kung fu does need to be brought to the 21st Century. Kung fu needs to be taken to its roots that involved life or death battles. That is all kung fu needs!

[@numberone-kb2kh]

And eventually get in prison

[@easterbuny2226]

I dont care how many frauds out there are exposed . I know kung Fu is where all this stuff comes from and all the UFC cult stuff got its roots from Chinese Kung FU . There is real stuff out there and real deadly individuals but many frauds . The real stuff is not easy to find

[@frikandelkroket9335]

I like you translating this. More please.

[@playapapapa23]

Frikandel Kroket I agree

[@howardz5415]

I practice traditional kung fu and boxinvg at the same time. I have seem some really good kung fu practioners who can really fight. At least they can fight me. The traditional kung fu is just lack of some professional developments.

[@codforlife]

Great video once again! Onward to 100k subs, great work mate!

[@FightCommentary]

Thanks!

[@idleanon5528]

That Ba Gua guy looks really familiar. If it's who I think this is, he taught Chin Na at a police academy at least for a time and I attended a Ba Gua workshop by him in San Francisco some 10 years ago. Great vid, thanks!

[@industrialbagua]

I do Bagua and everything that was said was true! Love the video

[@TheMATEMAGICIAN]

make more videos studying master Wong ,from what l've seen that guy is the real deal ,his techniques look very applicable and solid

[@darrellng7617]

He shits on Kung Fu too..or making it sensible..especially WingChun forms, he knows his shit and is obviously brutal. I'd still want to see him spar with averagers with combat sports tho, but I'm sure he'd overcome

[@ega0117]

I enjoy how you are interpreting this kungful master

[@sarban1653]

Most kung-fu forms are outdated and were meant to be used in an era where people mainly fought in weapons. No amount of sparring practice is gonna make a joke "martial arts" such as Taiji or Aikido useful (except maybe as a minor compliment, but not as a base). Some forms of kung-fu such as sanda are very good though and in the same league as Muay Thai, BJJ, Judo, etc.

[@playapapapa23]

I think I know why Kung fu stopped sparring and it’s probably because they didn’t create a sport form. If you look at the history of Jiujitsu, you find that it was originally used for warfare. Judo was invented to remove the more deadly aspects of jiujitsu so that people could train it without killing each other. Then they could pressure test and preserve it because its students wouldn’t die. I imagine Chinese martial arts came to the same crossroads and chose to only show forms to avoid this problem.

[@AgeofMachines]

Great vid. Nice hearing his take on things. That principle of testing something thoroughly in the crucible of combat/life is necessary if we wanna live to see another day.

[@bharadwaj091]

It is the same with most of the traditional martial arts. Plus , this was a really good work by you bro.

[@ni96ni65]

I really respect your reviews, I agree with most of your opinions. I am a tai shing pek kwar student I see these matches with the kung fu vs other styles and the biggest mistake is that the kung fu practitioners do not spare or rarely do. I believe kung fu can be useful if you train in it like a MMA practitioner or a boxer sparring almost every class

[@FightCommentary]

Yep

[@hard2hurt]

This guy is more of the same. He demonstrates the lock as pulled from the form... but that lock STILL won't work like that with his hands.

[@UrBoyTaz]

Ikr I chuckled at the part about the Muay Thai fighter with a "ponytail" Guess he watched Kickboxer. Whens the last time you seen an actual Thai with a ponytail? lol...

[@ega0117]

Story about the taekwondo fighter On 3:02, “I just kicked him in the balls!!!” LOL

[@OperationEndGame]

What this kung fu master is saying is the truth....

[@douglasmace7703]

Agree 100%. I think kata and forms are a building block and should be learnt in early grades to teach coordination and stringing techniques together along with foundational techniques, punching kicking. The advanced stages should purely focus on practical application and refinement and little tricks. Having done MA for 24 years I see the value in these great techniques. What I don't see is guys, be they "masters" or students being able to translate what they've learned into real combat. That doesn't mean these techniques don't work, just that people don't know how to do them in a real situation. And absolutely UFC/competition is not a true test of application because you have rules, gloves etc. Like it or not that changes what can and can't be effective and it DOES NOT reflect reality as much as a fancy kata doesn't. Great vid. Keep em coming.

[@andthereisntone3454]

@Fight Commentary Breakdowns This was EXCELLENT!!! ...Both the Bagua master and the special forces guy. More like this please.

[@zer0tzer0]

That Special Forces guy just gave the greatest demonstration of Sport Martial Arts vs Real World Fighting I have ever seen. Hats off to that guy!

[@mikehaas1748]

Nice video. Thanks for making a stand on traditional kung fu and the functionality of it. It has worked for me and saved my life between combining wing chun with Aikido. I am also on a quest to show the practicality of the styles.

[@georgemckenzie2525]

Thank you for the translation and the focus

[@Rajj854]

Superb interview. Well done bro.

[@ruiseartalcorn]

Good vid. I'm a Kung Fu Sifu and I totally agree! Kung Fu is great however it's been misrepresented by fake "masters" and movies for too long. We need to take lessons from modern fighters and take ALL the bullshit out of it!

[@bobbytate9907]

He's right, BUT here's the problem. As soon as you start to seriously pressure test kung fu with realistic sparring, it almost immediately ceases to look like kung fu. It becomes kickboxing with wrestling. So the argument that "kung fu works, but we need to make it combat-based" is actually a bit of a contradiction, in practice.

[@tonbonthemon]

Kung fu isn't about appearances, so why should it matter if it ceases to look like kung fu?

[@demoniac972]

Thanks for translate, very interesting

[@Nowheremt]

You should check out Shifu Tim Cartmell’s bagua applications!

[@FightCommentary]

On it!

[@Nimno74]

Glad you uploaded this. Although I am not a martial artist myself, it has been a fascination of mine for decades now. I have had this argument with mma-bjj fanboys so many time I can't count. I've always argued that in a ring, there are always rules, no matter how few the rules are. In a real life survival situation, it isn't always a good idea to take it to the ground; you could be outnumbered for instance, meaning, although you can destroy the one guy you take down, but his buddy is just going to smash a chair over your head while you lay there. Eye pokes, throat punches, groin kicks, etc. that is a real integral part of traditional martial arts, or it used to be. The point wasn't "fight to win", it was "fight to kill or maim". Granted, mma folks who are well versed in both ground fighting and striking, are well prepared to survive real fights as well. They already have a great deal of physical conditioning, and high tolerances to abuse/pain. If they were also trained to to the point of reflex (years), to go for the kill, they would transcend the athlete-martial artist, and become real warriors. Just look at the training military forces are given, in contrast to police forces. One is taught to kill, the other to subdue (supposedly). I've seen footage of special forces guys sparring with mma guys, and the mma guys admitted that in real life, they would have been dead within seconds. I know I may get hate for this, but that's one reason I think the debate of how would Bruce Lee do in mma is moot. He would never do it. The man made movies for money and creativity. He studied martial arts because he understood what it was for, and wanted to improve it. Looking at Wing Chun, and JKD, there is a lot of focus on striking all the areas that are forbidden to hit in any competition (eyes, groin, throat, etc.) The whole Wing Chun concept of a small fighter being able to win against a larger attacker is dependent on this. If I gouge out your eyes before you can hit me, it doesn't matter how much bigger or stronger you are than me. Sorry,I rambled. Anyway, keep up the good work. I always watch your videos, even though I don't always like seeing TMA fail over and over again, I appreciate your objectivity, and continued search for instances of it doing well. No matter how few those instances are.

[@hiucheefatt9323]

Frankly, all traditional moves work very effectively. One just need to know the actual application of those moves and train it in sparring until one can apply it effectively. It's similar to a person who trai to do a neck choke but never done it in live environment. How can you say the choke is not effective? It's the training that is not effective not the technique.

[@THX-vb8yz]

Love this interview.... So right on!

[@lio88jian]

I don't think I've ever seen a Thai boxer with a pony tail. Is he talking about the mongkol? The boxers take those off before the match starts.

[@UrBoyTaz]

LOL yea anyone who visited Thailand know the older generation aversion to men with long hair.

[@M_K-Bomb]

I trained in traditional Japanese Ju-Jitsu and it was complete crap. I lost faith in traditional martial arts, but I actually got faith back when I looked into Chinese kung fu. In my experience, it was presented as not a self defense system but a traditional martial art with elements of self defense. So I just found it fun and interesting. I didn't take it all serious, but some times you are just looking for something fun and interesting.

[@Schwartzbruder1]

That was some nice commentary from the old man. I think when MMA becomes more popular in china we might see chinese boxing arts get put through the mma filter and we may see things similar to how we've been seeing karate and TKD be used in mma.

[@Outrider74]

I love the fact that people are revisiting traditional arts like kung fu and karate and showing that they can be quite effective when rightly understood and applied.

[@Girrrrrrrr]

Applications are everything. I am so eternally greatful for my Chen instructor teaching me this.

[@hermansidharta4020]

I think elbow lock actually try to snap break the elbow on the first bending, see how the master use his hip rotation power when bending the opponent arm. Do it fast and the elbow snap.

[@xingyi]

"Practice makes the integration and enhancement of one's physical and non-physical aspects, including the forms, qi, will, and mind. Consequently, it will be of one's use when one is in a combat." said Master Li Cunyi . Xingyi Quanjing (the book of Xingyiquan): "When you're practicing, practice like there's an opponent. When you're fighting, fight like there's no opponent before you." "The maneuvers have no form and the will has no thought. The real will exists only when the thought is absent." "Those who seem to attack do not attack, while those who seem to not attack do attack." Well, don't these things sound contradictory? Are they tongue-twisters? One can experience and understand these mysteries of covert and transformed strength of internal martial arts only when she or he obtains the comprehensive inheritance of internal practices of forms, qi, and will. Once you experience and understand them, you'll see these are much more than martial arts. In fact, these are of Dao, that follows Nature's tranquility and non-interference. The biggest has nothing out of it. The smallest has nothing inside it. It is something that encompasses everything, and only those who have a pure and sincere mind can obtain it. That is to say, the most advanced martial arts are the practices of Dao. They are highly centered, purely righteous, totally upright, extremely strong but also extremely tender. People who all the time work on how to combat have lost the real use of martial arts. When they are threatened they stare at the person angrily and some of them feel the loss of strength in their arms and legs; consequently they fight without a rule. Why? That's because they have no way to pull down and maintain their qi in Dantian. If you don't know the yin and yang of qi and the operation of qi, and you have no idea how to employ the forms to regulate your qi, also you don't understand how to practice internally and use your will instead of your strength, then how can you integrate every part in your body to conform to the ways of the heavens and earth according to Dao? The reason why some people intend to abandon what has been passed down and, instead, invent new forms and new rules is that they've never learned the authentic things. Some did find a teacher who can teach them the correct way but they discontinued before they learn the quintessence. The complete inheritence of Xingyi, Bagua and Taiji now can only be found on few people. Why? The answer lies in the gradual loss of the ways of internal excercises from generation to generation. People who know little about the internal will definitely do the external practices wrongly. The losing of the authentic inheritence resulted in the incomplete forms of external practices. To some extent, the right ways of internal practices and the correct external forms are barely known. Nowadays some learners of internal martial arts want to rediscover the practicing ways of internal practices and the rules from the books written by the past elders. However, what they can find are superficial and will not really fill the regretful gap. If people can't learn from those of the authentic inheritence, their lifelong pursuit without true understanding will be just in vain. Wholeheartedly, I appreciate my teacher Li Mengxiong (李孟雄) and his father for handing down the authentic and complete teachings. Thanks to them and the heavens, the daoist Xingyiquan (形意拳) and Baguazhang (八卦掌) are not lost in this world.

[@mikeleng449]

Great video! I practice Tai Chi Chuan and had to change schools when I started asking the "master" about the applications... he would then go to the grandmaster and come back with half a dozen moves that were simplistic in the least. Then I talked witha Chen professor and after a couple of classes it was easy to see what was missing. The martial aspect in martial art!

[@ytb460]

1. The cultural Revolution 2. Face saving for the teacher 3. Sticking to forms and not doing any sparring 4. Not testing and adapting against bigger stronger people and arts 5. The danger of hurting people and getting arrested. 6. Bad teaching The Peru fight is a very typical move in CMA. Go for the eyes, the neck etc. This is the real violent fighting aspect.

[@yaaliaal8603]

How many kungfu fighters competing in the ring....look at muay thai fighters man...a real fighting not just a useless dance

[@numberone-kb2kh]

@literally not z why you use knives, then i will use gun

[@numberone-kb2kh]

@literally not z i never left my country

[@numberone-kb2kh]

@literally not z u fucking idiot

[@numberone-kb2kh]

@literally not z which is broken?

[@numberone-kb2kh]

@literally not z what are? An English critic?

[@SulvionTM.666]

I genuinely love the commentary!

[@ericgraham6745]

Thank you Bro For Bringing the REAL!!! 👍🏿👍🏿

[@kde439]

kung fu requires complete body unity, a relaxed power, a looseness, a rifined way of movement that we do not see being developed in mma or other sports, there is a certain balance in authentic kung fu, a balance of mind, body & spirit that is not found in ego based sports.It is a complete system of life enhancement & combatives.

[@amfm2662]

Glad someone is finally saying this. Sport is sport. MMA is not the final word on fighting.

[@SimeonToko]

My old sifu Alexander Hon Pong Ho was way ahead of his time because he taught his own system that combined boxing, judo and Kung fu in the early 80s.

[@leonpse]

How about a Mexican high school basketball player playing one on one with a 70 year American who only practices dribbling, but has never played in a game and dribbles with two hands and never shoots the ball?

[@fyfoh]

Oh man, that special forces fight gives me the shivers. I first saw that a year or two ago and haven't wanted to see it again. But damn, that's the quickest end to a fight I've seen.

[@Flammable281]

Great video!

[@henryxborja4263]

excellent video thanks

[@ericwalker3588]

Thanks again brothers appreciate the videos. Kung-fu always was and is great. We just need to have some sparing tournaments again. Get back in fighting shape.

[@wagesofsinn3881]

I learn Shaolin-Do Kung Fu under the instruction of my Shifu, and she instructs us on the application of the moves and even sets aside some of the days per month for Sparring so that we can learn to use what we learn in both tournament and non-tournament fights.

[@knoxiuz]

I would like to see bajiquan style used on real fight if you have

[@Stamatos]

Great channel, thanks for this.

[@SANSHUUKMartialArts]

Excellent 👍🏻👊🏻

[@Nontacticalboy]

Im a 3rd generation chinese indonesian, learning muaythai from a thai guy. What i think is happening now with the "ineffectiveness" of kung fu is like getting muay boran to fight MMA. Kungfu has for some reason lost its applications in real combat probably in centuries, whats left is theory, demonstrations and memories. Unfortunate but many Chinese so called masters simply refuse to accept that fact.

[@MrHoleemolee]

Bro......fuck me me dude this is really good what your doing here translating these videos for us....I want more of these video's....I got alot of knowledge from this and enjoyment...I've always wanted to here one of these video's but most don't have a translation.....do you think they do this as another way to make it harder to pass that knowledge and keep it within the Chinese community etc....lol....or is this just a conspiracy 😂. Great video tho brother i really enjoyed it

[@WuzuquanSpain]

Those who say their art is too deadly for combat sports are effectively saying they *only* know killing techniques, which is nonsense. By the way, I practise Wǔzǔquán (五祖拳). It's not pretty at all. I'd go as far to say it's ugly.

[@roshaniroy9516]

So where should we learn kungfu?

[@claireglory]

kung fu has never been tested in an actual combat for hundreds of years. but in the year 2016 it was tested and it failed so hard. that's like learning how to drive/pilot a plane online but the real thing is just so different. you have so many factors you need to consider.

[@dorjedriftwood2731]

This was amazing! I love bagua. Ismet himmet is a great teacher of Taoist martial arts and often gives practical instruction.

[@THE1NATEMEISTER]

you confuse traditional kung fu with modern kung fu, traditional kung fu was developed during the times when if you wanted to survive warlords and bandits, you had to know how to defend yourself. what is taught today is not traditional kung fu, most traditional kung fu was lost when the shaolin temples were burnt to the ground. all their texts on the original forms and implementations of them were lost, and due to misuse of the teachings the surviving masters decided to change the way they taught their art. it has gone from a combat style to an art form. pure and simple. what the master talks about is true. Sparing only does so much for you, yes it can help train the technique and telegraphing, but the problem with sparring is the goal is not to hurt your opponent. in a real fighting situation your attacker's soul desire is to harm you. sparring can be an effective tool to learning the movements but you need to practice hitting something like a boxing back or training urchin with intent. people get caught up in fancy and useless techniques when in reality you only need to learn a few fundamentals and train them hard. rake the eyes, kick the crown jewels and get the fuck out. modern kung fu is not all bad though, some forms have retained their efficiency but the methods of teaching have become soft.

[@YichengLi]

The question is whether it's easier for someone in a combat sport to fight dirty or someone who does compliance drilling "too deadly" techniques to suddenly fight full contact. Obviously you should do both but my take away is that the more open the rules, the easier it is for a combat sport like MMA to adapt to street fighting and self defense.

[@PrivateEyeYiYi]

There's a Bas Rutten video wherein he talks about some student who says she could use an eye poke to disable him. To which Bas replies by saying that an eye poke would really hurt and make him so mad that he'd really hurt whoever did that. That really intimidated the girl. Apparently though the eye poke is a useful defensive move. I think anything can be made to work when equals are fighting equals, as is the case here.

[@robertsutherland6162]

Great commentary. I'd love to see his style and training.

[@captainbeaver_man903]

Most modern Kung Fu practitioners dont have this mentality. If they did you would see more than a handful of good kung fu fighters. Damn shame it got lost as time passed, I bet kung fu from 100+ years ago looked more like kick boxing or MMA than modern "traditional" kung fu.

[@truthguy7577]

Your idea of kung-fu is pure fantasy. It was never based on realism, as China has always been steeped in mysticism and magical powers. This was evident in the Boxer Rebellion in 1899, where Chinese martial artists thought they were bullet proof and also believed spirits would ascend on their enemies. So "no" kung-fu never resembled MMA nor was it ever applicable in combat. It was and remains a novelty that China has largely forgotten because it didn't have much use then and now. TKD is more popular in China, as is karate, because these style are actually applicable in fighting. Chinese military arts all the way back to the Spring and Autumn Period used tactics based on troop numbers, weapons, formations and terrain. The idea of a kung-fu style was a ridiculous notion at the time. My idea here isn't to belittle your opinion, but help you understand that kung-fu has largely been romanticized by us because of the way it was presented. However, if you do some research and it helps if you speak some Chinese, you can find out a lot from scholars who aren't trying to fictionalize it.

[@ohmandamp]

Truth Guy Explain how certain styles survive centuries. If it were all fake, why are some fake fighting arts and principles so old? I will point you to the 3 Kingdoms period, where armies would send out knights right before a battle to duel in order to shake enemy morale and bolster allied morale. What martial art do you think they used, tae kwon do? You could not pass as a scholar in ancient China unless you were skilled in pen and sword. Manuals dating back centuries contain techniques that ground much of kung fu styles. Why do these still exist if kung fu has been some thousand year hoax? China has engaged in hand to hand warfare far longer than Europe. The firearms didn't become a mainstay in combat until the 19th century. If a martial art was lousy, its practitioners would die off and thus the martial art would either evolve or die off as well. Under such evolutionary pressures, how could robust martial arts not develop? Chinese warfare relied on strategy, not tactics. There was no phalanx or maniple like with Greece or Rome. The emphasis was not on the pitched battle like you see in western movies, but on deception and surprise, breaking the enemies logistics, supplies, and communications. It wasn't some glorified football game like European wars were, pitting one squad formation against another. By the time Chinese armies joined battle, the battle had already long been decided by the maneuvering of the strategists. China was like Scipio and Europe is like Hannibal. Hannibal had brilliant tactics but poor strategy. Scipio had poor tactics but brilliant strategy, avoiding battle with Hannibal and underming his power base, making his allies fracture and fight amonst themselves. Korea and Japan for their pre-modern period were cultural offspring of China. They copied Chinese culture. You don't think they copied Chinese martial arts as well? Karate even traces its lineage back to Chinese martial arts, Shaolin, if I am not mistaken. If derivative copies like TKD and karate are so effective, then the historical kung fu, which these two derive from, must have been something to behold. Chinese armies did not rely on tight unit cohesion, so when lines met in battle, it was a melee, one on one battles. Soldiers lived and died based off their fighting skill. Why is Historical European Martial Arts legit but historical Chinese martial arts, I.e. kung fu/wushu, not?

[@jacobreed8753]

captain beaver_man My friend, trust me, there are still REAL Kung Fu fighters out there, me and my master are some of them, they are just rare now compared to all the fakes and also, we like to stay more secretive, fighting isnt all about winning medals

[@jacobreed8753]

Benjamian Hausmann If you watched the video, real Kung Fu fighters dont dance.

[@gangstaman2069]

He talks he beat muay thai fighter, and yet no kung fu master did it in front of camera,so i think that this master is desperate cuz kung fu isnt prove itself throug all these decades against skill fighters.

[@EliteBlackSash]

What happened when the Comm Govt took over, they created “Wushu” - people think Wushu is a style or a gymnastic type sport. Actually “Wushu” was a Teaching Methodology, meant to standardize things... Yes... but also, ultimately, to neuter out the fighting. There were no kungfu schools back then. A “school” was more like a Society. There’s no way Mao was gonna have Men... with fighting skills... that have large groups of Younger Men, who are intensely loyal (like sons to them), and are well trained, and proficient in fighting. The ingredients for revolt lol. If China had nurtured the arts like Thailand has done with Muay Thai, we would have a totally different story. This mentality is part of the reason TKD and Karate are more popular in China than Kungfu, because they are Olympic sports. If people are gonna train, they’re gonna train for the big stage. Sad but true. So it takes for us young people who love Kung Fu to both preserve the tradition and physical culture side, but also update, create and innovate the “Training” and “Application” aspect. If Sport is your focus, bring it up to the cutting edge and test test test. If Self defense is your focus, go out and talk with real combat veterans and do a lot of exchange and hands on with like law enforcement, talk w bouncers and other people who also love kungfu and develop your program with realism in mind. It takes collaboration at the end of the day. Instead of bashing each other on the net. Because, bottomline, the advantage MMA has is, at any given gym there are a bunch of stellar guys coming through who they can touch hands with and get better at their MMA program. Kungfu needs the same thing. You’re only as good as your competition is. Both within and outside of your school. You need partners to push you. That takes collective skill development.

[@bernhard254]

Do you know Grandmaster Wong Kiew Kit? I think you are going to like him.

[@joeye.365]

This is why I think it is important to distinguish between martial sports and martial arts/ self defense. Practical combat is quite different from sport fighting. The street is not the ring. It has no rules. I think king fu , along with other "pretty" martial arts get labeled as impractical by many because of people who spend all their time perfecting katas rather than the actual application of techniques on an opponent. Like the master in the video said: if you're simply doing a Kata in the air, it's kinda hard to se exactly what is being done to the hypothetical opponent and how those movements work together.

[@seung-hyuncha1439]

This is your best video so far :)

[@mgtowlite7414]

One of the problems is many of the *true* teachings were taught down within a family system, if you were lucky enough to become an "inside" student you too would get the whole system. I guarantee that many of the Occidental "Sifus" out there paid for _but_ never received the subtle instructions that can make the difference between a fighting system and a Martial Art.

[@BFGalbraith74]

Some traditional martial arts are more likely to spar than others. This is especially true in Kung Fu, but in most styles of Kung Fu it is easy to find schools who haven't been sparring. Most of Doc Fai Wong's students in the early 80's we're doing heavy contact sparring, but that had been mostly lost by the 2000's.

[@NextScamdemic]

6:15 "it's about as close as you can get to a fight for self-defense" With all respect, can I say I'm not sure that is exactly what is going on here. I think it's reasonable to assume the Peruvian guy was still conditioned to adhering to "rules" and "refraining from dirty techniques" while the US guy was thinking outside the box. I'm not sure we can assume it would play out that way in an actual life or death self-defense scenario.

[@tensaantares]

There is Kung Fu (hard work or perFECT) and Wu Shu (Chinese Martial Art) It's relatively interesting seeing the general use of the word Kung Fu and not much mention of Wu Shu. The overall mentality with any Martial Art seems to focus solely on being responsive, as in "what to do if guy does a-b-c" and not doing what Sun Tzu wrote in his book Art of War to solve small problems before they become big problems. Which, more or less, amounts to the "Art of fighting, without fighting".

[@daleiverson6822]

That first application that he showed is the same move that Rener Gracie used to demonstrate a knife defense.