Fox, Shine, and the Birth of Competitive Smash

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[@AsumSaus]

fuck i said isai wrong... video ruined......

[@wrpen99]

EE SIGH

[@sunstripe]

I was just about to ROAST your ass on that too then i saw this.

[@alvareo92]

EYE SAY-UH

[@KalebSDay]

Also, I have never once heard the term "sex kick." Its always neutral air or bair lol

[@seanathan1]

smfh

[@trickygriffongaming3473]

I love how nobody showed up until he frickin baited people. I’m just imagining how it must have felt to see tons of people show up like “heard you were talking shit” only to do exactly what he wanted them to

[@b3afy505]

smartest shit talker on the face of the earth

[@trisckit]

really embodies the “settle it in Smash” mentality

[@petrie911]

There's an old adage: "the best way to get the right answer on the internet is not to ask a question; it's to post the wrong answer." This seems to be the same principle.

[@Colonel__Mustard]

By being so many move ahead he ruined is life. The man clearly is a chess player.

[@helper3200]

Big Brain time.

[@mountainfalcon6290]

Lol so the entire smash scene was kickstarted when like 50 people wanted to beat this one guy. Nice

[@kyleyuen245]

Never underestimate a community's hate

[@coreywhittaker3085]

Dude, when a person says there the best at smash.....you know what comes next.

[@sagewinters477]

The best way to get the right answer on the internet is to first post the wrong answer and say it's the right one.

[@SleepingChimes]

Kyle Yuen *competitivity

[@theotherjared9824]

Reverse psychology saves the day yet again

[@fartmicrowave]

Damn, thanks Matt. Without you, golden tweets like "I'm getting wobbled in my favorite game" would have never existed

[@Slurexjk]

my b

[@brycegriffin9271]

imo should be replayed??

[@zes7215]

wrgg

[@maskofthedragon]

The Melee scene was kicked off by "fight me IRL"

[@wierdlolvideos]

Toxicity was used as fertilized xd

[@Jonic_P]

Checks out.

[@WillyMacShow]

The way you have evolved your content from cool montages, to these neat history stories about one of the most mysterious oddities in gaming (melee) is incredible. Good shit AsumSaus

[@sagewinters477]

Reminds me a lot of the transition EmpLemon made from KZbin Poop maker (basically fancy montages) to documentarian (they even did an hour-long feature on Hungrybox, as I'm sure you probably know). Maybe documentaries are the next big format of KZbin.

[@OfficialNoCoast]

WillyMac! Omg bro I love your content! Glad to see you're at least a mild fan of melee man.

[@alvareo92]

These videos are so well made and interesting and clear that you could show them to someone who barely knows anything about the game and they’d enjoy them

[@alexanderCXV]

Hey for real, I forgot that I had originally subscribed for the montages but am loving this detailed insight of the various quirks the game has to offer both in game and out

[@branm9926]

cuz he got fucked by youtube but ye

[@DrewPicklesTheDark]

Deezie: Want to come play? Everyone: Deezie: None of you can beat me! Everyone: _Rushes to the tournament._

[@PJiggles]

I love your shit Asum, keep it up

[@micahfurlow2624]

Hi

[@Jack-dt7rw]

Hello

[@lmao5751]

oh hi

[@davefoxxo]

Hi

[@arvieiscrazy7904]

Hey there

[@unepiccube9204]

So basically youre telling me that the melee competitive scene became active all because a guy said he was the best player in the world *Classic Melee*

[@brittaniwiersma7179]

Yep

[@that1oth3rguy]

RIP to Rick May, the voice of Peppy Hare, the soldier from TF2, and more. Trust your instincts, never give up.

[@mparagames]

Oh thanks for telling us that, I didn't know it. R.I.P.

[@mothgillies975]

You were a great solder, maybe even the best.

[@RIPxri]

Okay, so this is sad but, the way you quoted Peppy hurt. That shit hit me way too hard.

[@thecubeman381]

F

[@tylercasea]

That's the final straw COVID

[@Syprone]

Asum, I really like your new style of videos. Your original videos are what got me into the competitive scene in the first place, and these new videos are just filled with quality. They're informative, easy to digest, and have amazing audio and visual quality as well. The format of your videos are extremely unique and it's easy to see why you have 100k. Congrats!

[@hsuanne1106]

Tru

[@algar6616]

thank you

[@coral3831]

I loveee these kind of videos

[@donutboi6187]

Hi sypiss

[@emmbeesea]

And blip blip blip blip The rest is history.

[@TUZOIVAN16]

@Anti Lag is Love Jigglypuff

[@Tastefuljoy]

Your sir/ma'am are a meme god.

[@Wrench-007]

Hmmm.

[@TDG386]

@@Athlete-Ali Fox with glasses... im pretty sure thats fox father

[@michaelmahoney5677]

100% thought you were gonna say “Matt Deezie Dahlgren is the daddy”

[@ohDJ_]

I personally think "the Godfather of Smash" is a nice title

[@YoutubeEnjoyer]

Last time i was this early, sheik was still top 3 on the tier list.

[@mparagames]

LOL

[@Mister_BIack]

Last time I was this early Fox's Down B was the Reflector.

[@aclonymous]

Annar remember back when she was the best character in the game?

[@mparagames]

@@williamwoods778 Even better than puff?

[@deafbyhiphop]

Last time i was this early poké floats was still legal

[@smashyu545]

Today in history lesson: How someone from the Tekken scene kicked of competitive Smash Bros. Tekken and Smash Bros are such a great duo.

[@bensnap1834]

Wavedashing too. It's funny how Tekken has affected Smash

[@hhhhhh-vi6sq]

but then there are tweets of players who play traditional fighters shitting on the smash bros community for being different

[@GreenChillZone]

Because the Smash community is garbage.

[@corsicasanova]

The sad part is that one of the two got an actual supported by editor fighting scene. And that's most likely because they choose to recruit someone who was able to create a grassroot scene then gave them budget. Instead of Nintendo who just cockblocked the shit out of their scenes.

[@generalforster]

@@GreenChillZone you seem to be implying that any competitive game doesn't have a garbage community

[@saraklingenborg7897]

Seeing peppy in these recordings is just sad after Rick mays death

[@dairycans]

dont worry hes barrel rolliing on the other side

[@somebodylikesbacon1960]

Press z or r twice to pay respects.

[@GalenRagna]

celeberate his life instead

[@spinegun]

"Godspeed, you magnificent bastard." Rest easy, soldier.

[@BloodyThumbsDown]

I mostly knew him as Soldier from Team Fortress 2, still sad nonetheless.

[@Mullkaw]

"It's never been referred to as shine by the team that worked on Smash" That reminds me, in Mario Kart, what the hell is a "spiny shell"

[@DiamondDust132]

I always just called it the blue shell. Spiny shell sounds a little neater though.

[@meta04]

the, uh, shell of a Spiny (the thing Lakitu throws in the main-series games)?

[@elijahpadilla5083]

@@meta04 the shell of a Spiny is red, though, and always has been. It's changed shade a few times, but always red.

[@waifu27]

fast forward to the mario movie, we now have an official source from Nintendo calling it "blue shell" lol

[@WaluTime]

@@elijahpadilla5083 They made it blue so you could recognize it as something unique I imagine. That or the devs of Mario Kart were thinking of Spike Tops, which do come in blue form.

[@RedTotey]

7:45: How could you forget the most perfect Smash game, Smash for 3DS

[@thelastgogeta]

Smash Run in the 3DS game probably makes it my favourite one to play.

[@raiseanothermanskidsforlov4920]

But it doesn't have piranha plant so that makes it garbage

[@MindReader_PEI]

or Project M

[@RedTotey]

Smash 3DS is a better game for competitive play compared to Project M

[@MindReader_PEI]

@@RedTotey tru

[@brycegriffin9271]

Everyone: HE MISPRONOUNCED ISAI me, an intellectual: Wife says it's supposed to be pronounced this way in the doc

[@bashdash4]

On the subject of Star Fox specifically: The on-foot gameplay in Star Fox Assault (as well as the entirety of Assault itself) is mad underrated and I'm glad Nintendo gave it another go. Hopefully one day Star Fox as a franchise gets back to where it needs to be, whether or not they focus on the Arwings. Great video as always! Pretty plausible origin for the shine! As well, I think it's cool that not only is the term "wavedashing" borrowed from Tekken, but Melee's competitive environment is inspired by Tekken's as well!

[@ninjanolan]

Same. 4 player Assault is crazy fun. And though it wasn't initially intended for the franchise, Starfox Adventure is solid as well- one of my favorite gamecube titles.

[@DroolingLizard]

Assault vs mode is top 5 most fun things to do in a gamecube

[@tomc.5704]

I spent so many hours playing Star Fox Assault multiplayer. Riding on arwings, playing guided missile only, sniper only, blowing up every tree on Sauria, booster packs on zoness sea base...

[@HighDeafRadio]

I literally never clicked a notification faster. Congrats. You're a top tier content creator.

[@sdbsdb4551]

not top tier, meta knight tier

[@themtems7943]

SdB SdB brawl meta knight tier

[@Jojothejman]

Deezie really just baited everyone into going to a smash tourney lol.

[@IanZWhite00]

Been following Melee for years now Never heard of Deezie before, ngl This is a prime channel for keeping history like this alive for the newcomers, thanks for the video

[@GlinkBetweenWorlds]

You’re editing is so clean and simple and yet stylish. Awesome video.

[@TheBadluckforever]

*your

[@zyonthelickman]

@@TheBadluckforever go talk to some bitches you nerd

[@Pocket_Jake]

@@zyonthelickman someone needs a tampon

[@zyonthelickman]

@@Pocket_Jake 🤓

[@crisismoon880]

Verified user = free likes

[@Katzykor]

I think you nailed it when you said the shines reflective property probably started at the barrel roll But the actual design itself is based on the rings you pick up in starfox 64, with 3 gold rings extending your health bar, while silver ones act as health kits

[@jimkasman]

So nobody is gonna point out that the hexagonal shape is actually in Starfox 64, and its literally on screen in the upperleft corner (besides the number 032) in the footage at 03:20? Awesome video regardless, as always

[@christomanci]

Yeah those are rings you collect in star fox. That might be where they got the shape from.

[@hazemabdalla4020]

You probably won't see this, but i'm not a melee guy. I grew up with brawl, smash 4, and i've played hundreds of hours of ultimate. But something about your videos... they're so entertaining and informative. You make a game I have no interest in playing so interesting, so technical, and so deep. I'm glad your channel is doing well man, can't wait for more videos :)

[@bryannuxoll9479]

I love that you added Squidward's walking sound effect when you showed the Star Fox team on foot!

[@peffiSC2source]

Comment "thank Mr. Deezie" for healthy melee tournaments.

[@ichase8555]

no

[@truthful_liar13]

Stefan S sex kick

[@keithbordeau4874]

Doot

[@chairwood]

Ledge camping puffs :)

[@numadrozcoffeeshop]

6:02 When the game has only been out for a few months and that doc still ledge dashes better than you

[@cyfer115]

I want to say Captain Jack but that’s only because I recall from the documentary that Captain Jack played as Doc as well as Sheik.

[@DungeonMaster2003]

That was 2004, so 3 year old game

[@numadrozcoffeeshop]

@@DungeonMaster2003 oops my b ! :)

[@Windraesa]

@@DungeonMaster2003 yeesh, way to ruin the joke

[@nigerundayo5080]

I've always felt like each of your videos's quality increased over time, but this one just exceeded that. The amount of information you've given, the details, how complete it is, the wider message, you're honestly becoming the best smash-related content creator imo, thank you for offering such quality, as well as quantity, good luck for the future of this channel man, you deserve more !

[@dillonisdillon]

I like how you sometimes tie everything together in the end with a little poetic analogy

[@todd.j]

Did he just call isai “eesai”

[@Fin0fLenster]

Pretty sure I recall that being actually correct. It's more that people ran with calling his name wrong so long that it became standard. Kind of like how people mispronounce Ally's name.

[@nicolasrivera1]

Todd Jay It’s correct. People pronounce it “Izaiah” (Eye-Zay-uh) for whatever reason

[@mrevilducky]

That's how his name is actually pronounced and probably how his parents say it. Although the American English pronunciation Isaiah is derived from the Bible, same as Isai except in Spanish.

[@JoninDropout]

Yeah that’s how it’s actually pronounced it states so in episode three of the smash doc.

[@MeesterTweester]

@@Fin0fLenster how was Ally prounuced? Not al-eye?

[@Michael_pthtx]

im seriously so glad i got recomended this content man im loving this shit sm

[@Flip-a-dip-dip]

Pretty sure the design comes from the “Supply Rings” that you collect in Starfox 64. You know, the spinning shiny things you fly into to collect?

[@trevorroscoe2245]

Honestly I was always more confused about where the heck Fox’s up B came from.

[@flariz4824]

Same. I thought he was going to talk about THAT move...

[@RagnellAvalon]

Fox has specials other than neutral b and down b?

[@syweb2]

Japanese myths associating fox spirits with fire, I'm assuming.

[@nicocchi]

Thought it made sense. Space dude having a jetpack for no reason whatsoever sounds pretty reasonable to me

[@oireal7261]

RIP Peppy Hare. You were a legendary voice actor

[@SPIRE_FAN]

You also see Fox on the "Continue?" Screen and the Map Select.

[@margaux8604]

Seriously, Matt, thank you.

[@craftagiraffe25]

Rip rick may (voice actor of peppy) “do a barrel roll”

[@blazeneo7663]

2:52 We allllll know he had to have done a couple of takes when reffering Shine as "Reflector"

[@BobsonQDugnutt]

Quality content at its finest. I haven’t played melee but videos like yours really make me respect the scene and all of the people who have stuck with the game to help it keep going strong for all these years. Keep it up Mr. Saus

[@Theodore1999]

Upset: show m2k getting wobble, that’s probably the most hilarious one

[@WarrMen39]

I’m from San Jose. I didn’t know my home town was the home of Melee’s competitive scene :,)

[@shadoninja]

Fun fact: The "Super FX" label on the box is referencing an additional chip on the game cart that allowed for real 3D graphics on the Super Nintendo.

[@RagnellAvalon]

Additional fun fact: The reason the romdump we had of StarFox 2 15 years ago was such a pain to get to work for so long was because it was reliant on a successor chip, the Super FX 2, which there was no data for for the longest time. (Since StarFox 2 was never released in that form)

[@Danidev]

thancc matt

[@LilithisLesbian]

Matt's gonna kick off Karlson's pvp too

[@mechanicalmacbook]

is it just me or is this comment lookin kinda t H I CC

[@Goodroosters]

I love this video! The graphics you used and all the other various bits that made this video fun like the SFX used really show how much your content has grown.

[@Ggameryolo]

Honestly I love this video its so wholesome I am truly happy for Matt and I honestly wish him the best, what a man.

[@sigilyph_with_a_gun1184]

4:57 foreshadowing

[@MapleMilk]

Never insult someone for living with their parents. After all, they could be the one to start the tournament scene of YOUR fighting game

[@mooshy2]

Amazing mini-doc. Informative, short, and sweet. Keep it up! Subscribed.

[@aryandescendant6116]

*FIYAH* *~Fox Mccloud*

[@laserbeamlightning]

I don’t even play Melee but your videos are some of the best edited and directed on KZbin so here I am

[@thattimestampguy]

2:54 Fox’s Reflector, based on the Barrel Roll? woah. The Shine 4:15 Matt “Deezie” Dahlgren • Organizer of Tournament Go in San Jose out of his parents house in April 2002 5:26 To be The Best Smash Player In The World 6:37 Shine, Sex Kick, Chain Throw Deezie inspired more people to host tournaments, and eventually hosted Capcom

[@FreePokemonGiveaway]

You are so incredibly good at making videos. Just your ability to tell a story or explain a detail is quite remarkable. Really been enjoying your stuff as I get caught up with melee since I dropped it when brawl came out (Don’t worry, I didn’t play brawl competitively, I just quit smash altogether 6 months later, only returning to smash 4)

[@eulefranz944]

What a nice message.. one man can change everything and make history. He just loved something and his efforts to promote it payed off. *You can do it*

[@jessevanhook3521]

Mmm some nostalgic music right there. Thanks for the flashback

[@deanchu1784]

I love the dulcet tones of AsumSaus’s soothing voice as he narrates

[@GutiCamilo]

This was the best one you've done. Truly fantastic tribute

[@hectorrivera4854]

The ending made me smile. I can feel the even though I am new to smash. I started watching melee last year, and ultimate is my first competitive smash game. I love smash. Thanks Matt. Thanks AsumSaus.

[@TheFritass]

Your editing is out of this world

[@jeremyying3602]

On my third watch-through of this video, I just noticed the edited melee box art said 2-player instead 4... i can't emphasize enough how you are one of the best content creators of all time.

[@LegendaryPokemon1221]

I loved this video. Thanks for some more Smash history... it was super interesting. Keep the awesome content coming my friend!

[@zacherytaylor]

This gives off strong Jon Bois/SB Nation vibes and i think it’s amazing. One of my fav videos to date. Hope you keep up the good work!

[@lizardman7718]

Thank you for uploading. I didn’t have anything to watch

[@DJTileTurnip]

Super Fox McCloud Final Destination No Items Melee

[@TastyBubkiss]

This is the saus I live for. Idk what it is about smash, but this is the only game that I barely play where the narrative of its history and competitive scene always has me enthralled. And this is the type of thing I will eat up every day of the week. Saus is a big reason for that, so thanks man! You're doing amazing work! Edit: spelling

[@notyou6674]

god i love your videos. please make more about obscure stuff casuals don't know about. the extender thing straight blew my mind. thanks asumsauce.

[@Fluxuation]

7:20 demonetization

[@flyforce16]

6:04 this was a PRIME missed opportunity for a "No items, Fox ONLY, Final Destination" joke. Dangit.

[@charlesloh5494]

I bet you write 9s on your high school essays because the last point about him being the soul brought everything together and just left me there thinking holy shit, great video

[@gms02]

the quality of your content, from start to now, cannot be understated :) fantastic as always.

[@plant3bananas297]

Your title makes it seem like Fox and Shine had a baby and it was called competitive smash. Well, that actually is true lol

[@nahor88]

I've noticed for a long time that the characters with made-up movesets tend to be better than those actually inspired by their games. Link and Mario easily take the most inspiration, and they tend to be average at best with some exceptions in the more recent games. When you make-up a moveset for a character, its really easy to go overboard. Captain Falcon in 64 and Melee is prolly the best example. Never does anything outside of his racer in his actual games, so they used the manga and cartoon to say "hmm... well I bet he COULD do this this and this...".

[@countdeku646]

Rest in peace Rick May, the voice of peppy hare

[@kawanbruh]

F

[@PFSnypr]

Also soldier from TF2

[@adamkampen]

I had never know of Matt or his Tournament Go untill today, thanks for making this video!

[@bb2fiddler]

I miss the old format sometimes, but I still admire the effort you put into making such entertaining and educational smash videos!

[@aguywithnoskills5354]

Thanks, Matt.

[@hamsnadwich6767]

No one gonna mention how the original ssb64 was the first time Kirby was 3d?

[@MangoTurtlenova]

Dude I gotta say, I really love your videos Nice short little snippets of history, it's sick and such a nice change of pace from the 40+ minute broad histories that are usually popular. I mean I love those, but this is a nice break

[@im_Spade_]

This was fucking amazing. Going WAY back to the very first competitive smash tournaments, fuck yeah. ❤️

[@thegoodgeneral]

I’m not gay but I want to marry you. *AsumSaus says “Ee-sai” instead of “Ai-zay-yuh”* Holy shit I want a divorce.

[@syweb2]

According to the documentary, Ee-sai is how it's supposed to be pronounced, but Americans anglicized the shit out of it.

[@jsweeney7359]

@@syweb2 nah I think that's just wife just assuming it's meant to be pronounced that way due to it looking kinda Japanese on a surface level, when in reality, it was probably spelt like that because melee has a character limit of only 4 characters for your name tag in-game, so he just simply used the first 4 letters of the name "Isaiah", and the name just stuck from there

[@ToxikBox]

The fact that the guy who basically invented one of the most popular competitive videogame scenes worldwide is named Matt "Deezie" is surreal

[@sensudubs4421]

I didn't expect to watch this whole thing in one sitting but your editing style is superb and the pacing is great. 8 minutes went by and I only blinked.

[@killsonic-afro5633]

That multiplayer clip in star fox 64 "is" a very hard to find video. To see this now after so many years of searching is amazing!

[@andredominguez3199]

After seeing the thumbnail, I imagined, in space, Slippy and Peppy playing Melee. Wonder who won...

[@kawanbruh]

peppy doesnt play video games that much because he's a boomer so of course slippy won

[@lolaleath18]

Imagine all the "Isai could beat Mang0 and Armada today if he tried!!!!" boys REEing right now from how you pronounced his name

[@chaunceyloveshack9530]

the doc-est of kiddies

[@fartmicrowave]

Your contents getting better and better Asum, great stuff

[@Ciirulean]

Aw this video is sweet. I've been loving your content as you've grown beyond montages.

[@dahat1992]

1:56 OK FIRST OFF HOW DARE YOU

[@mrblt1299]

3:20 R.I.P

[@RavenoftheSound]

Maaaan, you improve with each and every video. Keep it up!

[@under9081]

I love these kinds of informative videos. Keep up with the awesome content my man

[@JinkSSBM]

Wait fox wasn't made exclusively for smash? who knew?

[@GODDAMNLETMEJOIN]

Yeah, the smash OCs are ness, captain falcon amd marth obviously.

[@skewah]

@@GODDAMNLETMEJOIN Falcon is from Mario Kart. I remember it from his car.

[@JeraspatFGF]

@@GODDAMNLETMEJOIN Roy is the OG smash oc tho

[@Marc-rw3dd]

Don't forget gnw

[@Lagoa_real]

YES I NEED THE SAUS

[@MegaNancyLover]

Dude your videos are so good, I haven’t seen a bad one. Your channel needs to be bigger!

[@RatmanXtreme]

This is the kind of informative melee content the world needs. You're doing the lord's work at this point saus.

[@LordTchernobog]

I'm amazed this time around. And I thought SSB64 was already had competitive scene before Melee. Best part? A 'murican guy was a time ahead thinkin' of making an e-sport scene (even before the word was ever made), unlike Nintendo whom not aware of it. And thanks to that, we have similar competitive scenes with SSB-look-a-like games. Thnx Matt Deezie.

[@hughmungus695]

Everytime you comment something it's such a headass opinion, pixel glasses with joint checks out mmhmm

[@LordTchernobog]

@@hughmungus695 ikr?

[@mcbadrobotvoice8155]

remember star fox adventure? That was....well it was a game lets say that.

[@EnvyMachinery]

You mean Stairfax Temperatures?

[@kawanbruh]

It was a pretty good game! It was zelda but with furries!

[@FrahdChikun]

The last Rare game on a Nintendo console, the closest we got to Banjo-Threeie. Still a great game though.

[@MANiKiN3]

Star fox assault

[@kawanbruh]

@@MANiKiN3 assault was really good too!

[@babynzo3371]

Good on you for using Sonic Unleashed music! The soundtrack for that game is *HEAVILY* slept on.

[@Neo-uy1te]

Great vid, also love the DK64 and Sonic Unleashed music you picked!