The routing of the MIDI triggers is dope by itself
@SolStateMusic3 жыл бұрын
Yes! Very clever
@Phil4893 жыл бұрын
What is he exactly doing with the d# thing? How is it affecting the volume shaper?
@b3at23 жыл бұрын
@@Phil489 d# is a frequency. 77.78hz. & 440 cm some EQ let you focus in on it that way.
@blehm_74033 жыл бұрын
@@b3at2 pretty sure d# is just a midi input that was assigned to trigger the volume shaping for the snare low end??
@jnevercast3 жыл бұрын
@@blehm_7403 That looks correct - each "note" has a MIDI signal, and that signal changes the shape of the Shaper Box which is ducking the elements of the mix.
@Oversampled3 жыл бұрын
This channel is a gold mine 😳
@SolStateMusic3 жыл бұрын
Thanks man! You're up to good stuff too!
@greedokenobi38552 жыл бұрын
I agree with both of you!
@TheShaner7893 жыл бұрын
DUDE! That double pump on the highs is what ive been searching for forever! Love you Sol State and Fox Stevenson
@SolStateMusic3 жыл бұрын
Amazing! Glad it helped, much love!
@Sool1013 жыл бұрын
@Jonathan Stark you must be fun at parties. Hi five! Or would you rather have a hand shake...?
@jacksonlaframboise62573 жыл бұрын
Damn. I kinda just did that sometimes. Now I can finally commit knowing it’s actually a thing.
I've never seen someone making space for the hi hat in their sidechain. I might try it
@NOLINK743 жыл бұрын
do it all the time works well with final mixes though do it based on eq rather than amplitude
@SignificantOther113 жыл бұрын
it's really unnecessary unless you're going for the "over produced" pop sound, and even then...
@NOLINK743 жыл бұрын
@@SignificantOther11 mixing is what is lack with most production so the less people do the better for me
@ConeMedaillon34 Жыл бұрын
This one hi hat on the 3 is very important for the dnb groove so it makes sense making room for it
@relvin86193 жыл бұрын
There is an issue with this method of side chain: there will be phase problems when you split the sound into high n low part, because shaperbox (volumeshaper) has no LinerPhase mode.I personally create two parallel tracks with izotope imager (that i use as a splitter - it has no phase issues) and volume shaper on each of them. Or there is more advanced way - just use soothe 2 in side chain mode, you can even transparently side chain vocals for more punchy kicks.
@klemenspichler4003 жыл бұрын
Good point! I would like to hear Fox's take on this, since he's usually extremely careful about phase-issues.
@jon002003 жыл бұрын
@@klemenspichler400 I asked him about it and he said he is pretty confident on zero crossings in shaperbox. Linear phase mode wont save 100% you from SOME OF the phase shifts cause latency compensation but it can help a bit. His mixes are really clean to my ears so i wont complain.
@klemenspichler4003 жыл бұрын
@@jon00200 Oh cool thanks for the reply! I wonder why he doesn't mind the zero crossings in shaperbox. After all he ranted pretty hard about OTT because it introduces phase-issues. I guess there's no clear cut answer to this, since there are a lot of producers using things like OTT an their stuff sounds absolutely fine too. I am just wondering where Fox draws the line for himself.
@borrasca3 жыл бұрын
@@klemenspichler400 Volumeshaper, if split into 3 bands (Fox is only doing 2 bands in this video) will have the same amount of phase shifting as ott - ofcourse, because it’s also a 3 band split - all minimum phase LR4 crossovers are identical in terms of phase
@skylergoodman38893 жыл бұрын
Yeah thought it was really funny to see him doing multiband ducking after talking about ott
@zachkester33 жыл бұрын
Very good stuff. Thanks for the clean editing!
@SolStateMusic3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Zach!
@ECIVERATE3 жыл бұрын
Such a helpful tip, thank you Fox
@rumpafumpa3 жыл бұрын
Love this! Please make more videos from Fox's livestream he's so good at explaining!
@SolStateMusic3 жыл бұрын
I'll try! I really like his mixdowns, so I'm trying to find some good highlights to summarize!
@mylk63262 жыл бұрын
Thank you for subtitles
@CLdwyer3 жыл бұрын
Such an inspiring clip! Thanks for this!
@SolStateMusic3 жыл бұрын
Awesome, you're very welcome!
@1pelillos13 жыл бұрын
This is so good! Looking forward to new releases ! ;)
@SolStateMusic3 жыл бұрын
Haha thanks bud!
@robbft51533 жыл бұрын
i need to say it again, your videos are gold, thank you
@SolStateMusic3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Appreciate it
@whyyoumakethissohard3 жыл бұрын
AMEN!!
@user-mk5ex2bo5d3 жыл бұрын
love your stuff !
@Mavesound3 жыл бұрын
Love this channel, no bullshit only real stuff
@SolStateMusic3 жыл бұрын
Thank you Fox Stevenson for the epic tips! Cause I know you'll ask... The sidechain plugin is VolumeShaper 6 (used within ShaperBox2). Get the plugin here* - bit.ly/SidechainPlugFox 👀WATCH NEXT: Fox Stevenson: Why I NEVER use OTT - kzbin.info/www/bejne/bGXOkpJ4g8urZ9E * = may be affiliate links (meaning you can support me at no cost to you)
@gogamusic3 жыл бұрын
The plug-in that he’s using to allow for multiband sidechaining curve drawing is Cable Guys - Shaper Box ( or volume shaper)
@whyyoumakethissohard3 жыл бұрын
Thank you Sol State!!!
@SolStateMusic3 жыл бұрын
You're welcome!
@VeganKebabDoRuky3 жыл бұрын
Yeah agreed, adaptive sidechaining is where it's at. I still have good a use case for the more traditional compression based sidechaining (like for send effects), but as far as the "main" sidechain goes, precise volume and layer control is just way too good to sleep on.
@louiswirz11363 ай бұрын
Class 😍😍🧘
@feeding_ear3 жыл бұрын
Very good vid!
@kylejacobsmusic3 жыл бұрын
Love this channel, respect from South Africa 🇿🇦 🙏
@SolStateMusic3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Kyle! Much love
@renesh0263 жыл бұрын
SA represent 👌
@user-bk9ue3es2p2 жыл бұрын
I don't know the difference in status from Scope. I only know that it's good to do a multi-band side chain... but Really Really Thanks Sol Sate! I hope you make a lot of money and live a long, healthy life. I mean it.
@user-nc8br4lr2u3 жыл бұрын
Great content here!!
@SolStateMusic3 жыл бұрын
Appreciate it! Thanks
@ManuelPosada883 жыл бұрын
dopeee videossss
@SolStateMusic3 жыл бұрын
Thanks again Manuel!
@joaosantos84993 жыл бұрын
more Tips of Fox Stevenson pls!!!
@malikamer43853 жыл бұрын
I love your channel 😍
@SolStateMusic3 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Tell your friends!
@malikamer43853 жыл бұрын
@@SolStateMusic my friends are not really into music creation things 😜 they love sports and other activities.
@xfdsmusic3 жыл бұрын
Great video! Can someone explain how he’s able to visibly see the phase? Or is there a video for that thank you
@SolStateMusic3 жыл бұрын
With sub phase for this genre Fox's goal is maximum sub (subs are slower low freq waves) so I'm pretty sure he's trying to achieve maximum amplitude of the sine (ish) wave for maximum duration. A dip in the sine wave would mean less oscillations of the low end, aka a less consistent, less powerful sub. Rewatch the video looking for this and you should be good ;)
@oldschooljohnny3 жыл бұрын
I gotsta sidechain!
@potsbaker2 жыл бұрын
But what about the clicking that occurs when using trigger sidechain?
@Eric-et6sj3 жыл бұрын
Great stuff. Might just be me, but I’m not clear on whether the sidechain effect from shaperbox is being applied to single channels, busses, or the master? Would also like to know what the second plug-in in use is. Thanks!
@SolStateMusic3 жыл бұрын
The sidechain is applied to different things at different times, but the message is the same. Other plug is - schulz.audio/products/oszillos-mega-scope/
@Eric-et6sj3 жыл бұрын
@@SolStateMusic thanks for getting back to me. Keep up the great work, I love your channel!
@WatchMyShorts3032 жыл бұрын
what is this clip n scope plugin? cant find it
@YoureNowOnTV Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this video!😀👍 I find it funny that Fox is using an oscilloscope for music production but using his vocal mic for talking in such a horrible way. Not everything is important it seems 😂
@jinrico35812 жыл бұрын
How can i avoid the click and pop .. I do same setting with fox stevenson but I get click and pops.. this is very stressful!
@kaszanasmusic4 ай бұрын
Wait can someone explain the routing that is done for that? It is not shown at all here how to route the tracks to achieve this.
@aPsi9990 Жыл бұрын
i didn't get it, like is he hust getting the volume down from the sub bass to make space for the kick and on the snare what is he doing? If someone can help me figure it out, cuz i am strugglieng with this more "engeneering" things
@locbac3 жыл бұрын
Awesome tips, I haven't been looking into phase issues in sidechaining before. Also what is that bass he uses? How can I make it?
@locbac3 жыл бұрын
@@ctcdvch5539 i'm wrong? what.
@CLdwyer3 жыл бұрын
Sounds like it's a pretty well layered bass. Some filtered midrange (perhaps band-pass), a tonal/noisy layer and a solid sub layer. I also hear what sounds like a pedal-tone and upper melodic layer (two parts). Could definitely see it being made easily with a couple Serum patches. Get a little waveshaping distortion, some compression and output filtering and you'll be in the ball-park for a bass sound like that.
@NickChase3 жыл бұрын
I can make you this kind of bass, even couple of better ones. But you will need to pay for it ofc.
@locbac3 жыл бұрын
@@CLdwyer Oh, that's cool! It's kinda like a distorted reese with white noise.
@SolStateMusic3 жыл бұрын
Not sure what bass he is using, but you could probably ask him when he streams on Twitch. www.twitch.tv/foxstevensontv
@lukewilliams70203 жыл бұрын
Really sorry for basic question but what advantage does this have over normal side chain compression of kick and bass in place of using volume shaper ?
@SolStateMusic3 жыл бұрын
Hey Luke! I'd say you get more precise control and the option for 100% ducking of kick with this method. Not required but can help in certain scenarios, like loud mixdowns.
@lukewilliams70203 жыл бұрын
@@SolStateMusic gotcha thanks. Makes sense and I’m seeing a whole bunch of producers using this method now too
@whyyoumakethissohard3 жыл бұрын
I am seeing this right? Fox is sending both the Kick and the Ducked Bass a Buss called Clip N Scope. Why would we want to Clip before Scoping? (I use Ableton) Thanks!
@SolStateMusic3 жыл бұрын
My guess is he's trying to analyze the master out, as close as it will appear after final master (some clipping is typical in mastering process).
@EdSoloUK3 жыл бұрын
What scope is that you are using?
@notdon2453 жыл бұрын
Oszillos Mega Scope
@thugtrippin27 күн бұрын
Dude makes music with his eyes
@yoelwww3 жыл бұрын
How did he set up that midi trigger when sjidechaining the bass to the snares?
@SolStateMusic3 жыл бұрын
its a setting in top right of plug, and you have to use midi notes to trigger SC. Bit complicated, prob best to search for tut.
@MangalSuvarnan3 жыл бұрын
I need that snare in my life. Does anyone know the name of the sample?
@SolStateMusic3 жыл бұрын
Maybe ask Fox on Twitch?
@Joseph-ot8rc3 жыл бұрын
Can somebody explain the last tip about adaptive sidechain? I don't understand what he's doing
@SolStateMusic3 жыл бұрын
Basically, different sidechain length for kick and snare
@crismeisters3 жыл бұрын
Still confused about the adaptive sidechain, what is being affected when he switches the notes that alters the sidechain and sub amplitude? Thank you
@SolStateMusic3 жыл бұрын
Different note = different sidechain length. That helps achieve max sub amplitude aka MORE BASS
@crismeisters3 жыл бұрын
@@SolStateMusic thank you, this is a feature within volume shaper ? And is he changing the trigger note to the same sub note that is being sidechained?
@Nathan_Woodruff3 жыл бұрын
@@crismeisters The midi notes don't need to match the sub or anything. They just trigger different shapes in shaperbox. For instance you could make one ducking shape for the kick, one for the snare, and trigger them with c and c# respectively. The idea demonstrated at the end was to simply make the snare ducking shorter to match the length of the snare body, as it is shorter than the kick.
@crismeisters3 жыл бұрын
@@Nathan_Woodruff thank you that makes a lot more sense now
@HyperNova1373 жыл бұрын
I almost thought I was listening to Daniel James for a second...
@WillyJunior3 жыл бұрын
ME TOO!
@graffitiboy7613 жыл бұрын
Is there a way to do this with stock logic plugins. The Logic compressor doesn't give you as much control
@SolStateMusic3 жыл бұрын
You could duplicate the same track and eq out highs and lows, or send different sidechain triggers to two compressors, but its a lot easier with the plugin
@graffitiboy7613 жыл бұрын
@@SolStateMusic wow thanks!
@johnp99163 жыл бұрын
I usually do it by ear with a normal compressor. Duplicate it for every band you want to target and play around with the EQ and attack/release
@Roses_R_redeR Жыл бұрын
🥀🥀🥀🥀
@justtosharefiles6783 жыл бұрын
What plugin is the oscilloscope?
@MIDNIGHTCVLT3 жыл бұрын
Oszillos Megascope
@inthepleiadesplayinggta80993 жыл бұрын
Whats the name of the song he's using for the example?
@SolStateMusic3 жыл бұрын
It's a Fox song, don't think it's released
@gregoryburkell80883 жыл бұрын
Ok now this part confused me "it doesn't sound any different but we get more lo end" why do we care about the low end if we can't hear it?
@varg12313 жыл бұрын
The way I understand it is that even if you can't really hear the subtle differences in the solo'd clips he's playing, in the overall mix the difference is more noticeable. Also on speakers that can pick up that low end more, say good studio speakers or PA systems.
@SolStateMusic3 жыл бұрын
While you can't hear the sub harmonics on small speakers, you'll def FEEL more sub in the club. .
@seanhochman3 жыл бұрын
omg
@badhombres11902 жыл бұрын
Whats the name of the song?
@SolStateMusic2 жыл бұрын
Not sure this ever got released
@petter90783 жыл бұрын
How did he see that it was phasing around 1:00?
@SolStateMusic3 жыл бұрын
I believe he was trying to get max amplitude (of low freq sine ish wave) for maximum duration. Same idea applies at end of video too, might be easier to see there.
@kidnun8043 жыл бұрын
Yo I didn’t understand what he did at the very end. He changed the midi note of something but I didn’t get what it was exactly. And suddenly it changed the amount of bass. Someone can explain it to me please? 🥲
@SolStateMusic3 жыл бұрын
You can recreate this a few way, but basically different midi notes trigger different sidechain lengths
@kidnun8043 жыл бұрын
@@SolStateMusic oh you mean he was sidechaining from a sound (like a short clic attack?) and changed these notes? Makes sense
@Nathan_Woodruff3 жыл бұрын
@@kidnun804 The midi notes trigger different volume envelopes in shaperbox. He switched the notes to trigger a shorter shape for the snare, which let the low end back in earlier.
@kidnun8043 жыл бұрын
@@Nathan_Woodruff thanks man 🦾
@johntitor32373 жыл бұрын
@@Nathan_Woodruff why do they trigger different volume envelopes?
@Bollingersound3 жыл бұрын
Have you tried early sidechaining?
@SolStateMusic3 жыл бұрын
Yes, can work great if you want to bring out a transient (not sure if you were asking me or Fox).
@DJayFunk12 жыл бұрын
Whats the name of the track?
@DJayFunk12 жыл бұрын
Actually is it out already?
@SolStateMusic2 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure Fox ever released this. He has TONS of unreleased ideas.
@GorgonDrageil3 жыл бұрын
Song name?
@SolStateMusic3 жыл бұрын
it's an ID by Fox Stevenson
@GorgonDrageil3 жыл бұрын
@@SolStateMusic Alright, I'll try and hunt it down. Thanks for responding.
@no-name1683 жыл бұрын
1:00 Can somone explain to me why he yelled so much at the phase? What's the problem there?
@SolStateMusic3 жыл бұрын
Basically phase cancellation leading to less loudness. May need to do another video about this...
@RahulMehra03613 жыл бұрын
I know this thing already. It's all about sidechaining your lows and highs seperately
@SolStateMusic3 жыл бұрын
The adaptive sidechain thing is big too!
@RahulMehra03613 жыл бұрын
@@SolStateMusic hmm
@ilmondodifaxe82163 жыл бұрын
for me all this is just a great showcase to sell plugins, from an audio point of view it is pure madness! In the years 89/90/2000 (it was pre-daw) all this was not there, yet all the songs of the EDM genre (from pop to the most extreme techno) sounded fat, big and crystalline, without all the bullshit! Wake up people, and don't fall for these clowns who only sell you hot air!
@MajorCinnamonBuns3 жыл бұрын
This was still done by all the professionals, they just used hardware compressors.