The Collapse Of The 'Wilbur Soot' Persona...

[@moths.for.valentine]

what creeped me out even more is this one video if niki and wilbur on stream where niki says will keeps biting her and giving her bruises and he tries to play it off as a joke but she was so serious about it

[@CharlotteRoberts-gu1dc]

There's also a video of him biting Tommy. In hindsight he definitely had some red flags

[@kai_maceration]

​@@CharlotteRoberts-gu1dc what the fuck is with him and biting?!? so strange!!!

[@katherinesmallbean3594]

@@kai_maceration Maybe it's a weird habit from when he was a kid that he never grew out of....? Or it's a kink.

[@BylerIsCannon]

And also the one time where they talk about how they met up and its mentioned that wilbur threw nikki to assert dominance.

[@aihoshinoirl]

@@katherinesmallbean3594 I think I heard it somewhere it was a habit from when he was a kid..

[@Potatoe-f6u]

I think the part of Wilbur's apology that really gets to me is that he simultaneously tried to claim that he had been to therapy and was all fixed and no longer the terrible person he once was, but also tried to act like all the worst things he'd done were somehow news to him and still refused to recognise that it was abuse. You can't change without even acknowledging that you did something wrong in the first place.

[@meisucksatlife8837]

i believe that he's at least trying to change and there's a long way to that. let's just hope he acknowledges what he did wrong, actually apologize to Shelby personally and actually changes once and for all. and if he doesn't care then i assume it's just the end for him. still, i am thinking that he left the internet temporarily because i don't see anything new from him anywhere so let's just hope for the best...

[@Catalina-Winemixer]

@@meisucksatlife8837 Girl. No. You cannot change if you do not know what you’re changing for. He can’t even acknowledge her.

[@Gxylord]

@@meisucksatlife8837 nah bc he has said that many times in the past over the recent years for smaller things before his abuse of shelby. it's his go to apology line to come across as sincere and to avoid the sterile feeling youtuber apologies have

[@homeland1128]

Finally, someone with brain

[@pakucza644]

You know, Im really sad for Philza. He seems like a good guy and everyone around him just turns out to be asshole. And one person who was a good person (techno) died of cancer :(

[@tamagho]

i agree :( although, how about tommy tubbo and ranboo? i haven’t been interacting with the community since 2021, so if anything happened regarding them i wouldn’t know.

[@pakucza644]

@@tamagho Yeah, after techno died i stopped following mc community too

[@dohaes]

​@@pakucza644 same, mc died with techno ...

[@ruffboiALT]

@@tamagho While Tubbo and Ranboo aren't really friends anymore (or at least they don't do content together anymore), all three of them seem to be doing pretty well, and there haven't been any significant dramas that I"m aware of with any of them.

[@AaronsCorner807]

Turbo had some allegations against him but that turned out to be false “a social experiment” as that person said. But those three seem to be good.. idk seeing all the allegations. I know some are false, but some, like this one, seem to be true and it’s ruining my trust for KZbinrs

[@kitkat6442]

My dog apologizes better when she accidentally bites me too hard when we’re playing. She also knows to immediately stop biting if I express pain. Wild that a dog can understand boundaries and be more respectful then a full grown man.

[@Daksh__uu__]

My dog doesn't do that bruv.. I've littreally tried everything.. I know it's out of nowhere to ask you this but do you have any tips so my dog can understand that I'm in fucking pain and stop with biting

[@kitkat6442]

@@Daksh__uu__ Do you have one dog or multiple? I ask this bc my dad breed a litter of golden doodle once and the vet recommended to keep the litter together as long as possible to make them well tempered bc they bite each other and realize that it hurts so it naturally teaches them that biting can hurt. My dog is the only one that bites but she did grow up with a couple of her litter mates. We also had a dog that we adopted when she was little but adopted another puppy around the same time and she knew to bite softly as well. We never really had to teach them. There was a point when my dog was having more accidents when biting so I softly bit her back and that seemed to do the trick at having less accidents. Maybe try expressing the pain more dramatically and stopping contact at the same time. They will eventually learn that fun times stop when they bite hard.

[@Evelyn-qp8vj]

​@@Daksh__uu__Just asking, what breed is your dog?

[@sienna.jaddee]

@@Daksh__uu__it’s normally something puppies learn. that’s why puppy play is so important, they learn how to bite playfully without acc hurting and if they go too far their moms or the others in the litter will let them know. in that same vain, when you adopt a dog if they bite too hard you could vocalize your pain and just say bad dog. if you do it consistently they’ll learn.

[@Robin-ph1ss]

​@@Daksh__uu__ the way we thought our dog when she was a puppy, was by says "stop" and turning our back. That indicated play time was over or she was being too rough. We kept our back until she calmed down. If she tried to come around to look at our face, turn around. Bite our legs, step away, bite our hands, cross our hands. All while keeping our back to her. As soon as she stoped paying attention to us or calmed down, we gave treats, pet, say shes a good dog. Sometimes we did have to leave the room because she just didnt get the message but now she calms down at the word "stop" even if shes having zoomiez or anything else. Now we have to use it very rarely because she understood it wasn't play and biting that was wrong, it was the strength she did it with. Sorry for the long message, hope it helps

[@Phoenix.Sparkles]

Funny how people used to say Dream was this secretly evil manipulative person, but then Wilbur just comes and says "hold my abusive relationships"

[@catshorts2096]

😂

[@pieceofshoot]

hes not secretly manipulative he’s very obvious. probably part of why people don’t take him seriously

[@syllet2694]

I mean Dream isn't manipulative he just dosen't know how to to be famous and is a very wierd guy

[@happyfrigginrainbowcookies]

Dream did blatantly lie to everyone about the cheating scandal. I was a big fan of him at the time and defended him a lot when people accused him of cheating, only for him to admit to it as if it was no big deal a year later. I mean, no, it's not a huge deal, but he did just straight up lie. He manipulated his fans. I can't say I don't feel betrayed or hurt by him.

[@nhmdh99]

​@@happyfrigginrainbowcookiesdo you watch the truth video by dream?

[@beanieboy8951]

Alice's statement regarding her time with Wilbur Soot deeply disturbed me. From what she wrote, Wilbur came off as a narcassistic and self-centered man with very little empathy to the people whom he supposedly loves the most. This is obviously a far cry from the caring and sympathetic persona he typically displays in his streams which showcases how manipulative and secretive this man really is. To keep up a facade so drastically different from his true self *live on streams* for over *4 years* is INSANE. More than that, the implication of sexual assault and derogatory remarks by the end disgusts me deep to my stomach. This is a man who constantly preaches *equality* and *fostering a safe space* for his audience; a man who's emphasized time and time again that he's always growing and bettering himself. In reality, he's just a sick, self-centered man who probably doesn't give two shits about other people, just how he can benefit off them.

[@martinszymanski2607]

i don't know how old you are but yeah, people who are insistent on showing how kind & selfless they are publicly usually have a lot of skeletons in their closet. and i don't think keeping up a streamer persona for 4 years is "insane", the guy doesn't have to show anyone online his real personality and that's how most streamers do things.

[@Mendoxs_]

​@@martinszymanski2607 yeah. keeping an online persona doesn't take as much effort as being genuinely kind irl. From what others said, his one goal is to gain fame and money, he only cares to look the part for as long as it will grant him that fame and money. Now that it's all a bust, he doesn't seem to care to look like a good person anymore

[@beanieboy8951]

@@martinszymanski2607 Keeping up a persona is very common and I get that; but what I'm saying is Wilbur's persona is so worlds apart from his true self that I am shocked he's able to keep it up in that medium for such a long time. Most streamers play exaggerated versions of themselves, but Wilbur played an entirely different person which is what gets me, this is why I specifically pointed out how "drastically different" his persona was. And the fact that he was able to so easily slip into those shoes and fool everyone (even some of his own close friends) for so long is at least a little bit disconcerting, no?

[@lonebear7563]

@@beanieboy8951maybe it’s just me but it doesn’t seem hard at all and most people who don’t act like their real self around others will act opposite in an opposite way, idk much about how much streaming factors into that but he seems just like any celebrity or politician trying to project something they think people will like

[@JonHop1]

Why would something a stranger said, about another stranger, disturb you? Im genuinely curious... Why do you care, what 2 strangers do in their personal lives and their personal problems? These are not your friends or your family, they are not even your acquaintances.... You do not know these people at all.

[@Discontinued-t6w]

As someone who’s suffered abuse from a person I “loved” I am disgusted that people defend Wilbur’s actions. “Biting your girlfriend is a form of love” yeah when it’s fucking consensual. When you tell your partner, someone you trust multiple times to stop and he doesn’t it’s not love. I hope she’ll get the support she needs

[@boxbox5371]

I used sa instead of biting as an example to those peoples logic and they still said it would have been her fault because that’s what happens when u dste someone who likes kinks/sex

[@shanfitzs6688]

it’s not a form of love when she’s covered in bruises and he’s abusing her safe word. that completely diminishes her trust.

[@shanfitzs6688]

he’s a psychopath probably sadistic he enjoys others pain

[@flippanties]

i saw someone on another video about the situation say that biting is a standard part of dating and that you shouldn't be dating if you don't want to get bitten 🤮

[@aleeeeeeexoxo]

@@shanfitzs6688that’s literally what they said in the comment?

[@I03-q1d]

This fake jebediah springfield stuff really creeps me out. Why did this turn so cryptic. Wilbur should just face that this is the end of his career and stop banning people that want to help Shelby..

[@Mendoxs_]

cus he's just petty like that and I guess he stopped caring about his public image 🤷‍♀️ he knows there's people that will always support him no matter what and he wants to keep those people around

[@lumitsukii]

he did this kinda thing in the past, that being an ARG. maybe he's trying to do another?

[@Mendoxs_]

@@lumitsukii if I was making an ARG and people got it confused with allegations of abuse I'd clarify that REAL QUICK. He hasn't said anything so that means we're "on the right track"

[@CupOfTeaIndieCharts.]

@@Mendoxs_no, he always does cryptic stuff like this, like look at his arg

[@Mendoxs_]

@@CupOfTeaIndieCharts. it's still weird that he wouldn't clarify in a time like this. it's careless at best and insensitive at worst

The fact that I used to watch him is scary. How do people turn out to be successful and, in a short period of time, turn evil? I am glad he has lost over 200K subscribers as of writing this. 😢

[@kaptainmason6057]

does it toot when u walk

[@The_BlOb]

He never TURNED evil. He's always been that way. His college friend warned his girlfriend from back in 2019 about his habits. It's definitely not a new thing

[@dinner1232]

This dude is a bot everyone

[@Purple_Boi277]

@@The_BlObbitch all of these people have been lying. Wilbur hasn’t been evil and hasn’t turned evil. There is no actual evidence or proof that Wilbur did that, he only “admitted” so people wouldn’t say that he is lying or anything. I’m so tired of everyone just blindly believing people just for attention and accusing people also for attention, but also for sympathy. Which she doesn’t deserve, Wilbur is innocent.

[@NoahBirsch]

@@Purple_Boi277this situation reminds me of Kwite

[@virginiaf4117]

Alice’s statement genuinely made me nearly gag. I cannot believe how terrible Wilbur actually is. Get this man off of the internet and away from others.

[@GuyNamedSean]

It's even scarier if you've been around abusers like him before. Most can't hide their behaviour so well. He's not part of a cycle of abuse or anything like that. It's not like he doesn't know better. He knows exactly what he's doing and it even sounds like he sought out a specific type of victim and worked hard to cover up who he really was. That's fucking terrifying. I'm just glad we finally know what was behind closed doors and no one will ever trust that snake again.

[@thevlogers-mf1df]

​@@GuyNamedSeandoesn't sound like he did and I can't imagine the rest of the SMPs and MC creators just decided to stand up for his ex's while straight up pretending they didn't see it either he is extremely dangerous so much that philza who looks like he could lether(batter/smash) wilbur with 2 punches how come not 1 of them came forward and said here mate this wrong cut it or we cut you

[@rainfall6805]

I agree, he should not be allowed to ever make content or stream again, especially VIDEO GAMES which are targeted towards a youth audience. Nothing that he says or does should ever be displayed towards a youth audience. He's a disgusting creep who sexually harasses and abuses women, and even r*pes them, and then goes online and pretends he advocates for their rights and safety. What a liar. I'm ashamed to say I was _ever_ apart of this community, even if it was years ago and for a shorter period of time.

[@beaniebees2466]

I understand that, when I read her statement I actually cried. I had gone through something very similar to her in the past. It is so disgusting to think that I once looked up to someone who was just as bad, if not worse than my own abuse.

[@mooshromsystem7490]

​@@GuyNamedSeanand it's not even once he sought out that specific kind of victim. I personally have no idea who Alice is, but from what she describes, I think she's more of a shy person, sitting in a corner of a room and whatnot, bt that's just speculation. but Niki and Shelby have some similarities in my opinion. i mean, he obviously physically overpowers both, but they are (from my perspective) also rather 'shy' and definitely rather nonconfrontational. and for public image, they were also amazing. we have the "soft, protective" guy and a girl that is more "shy" and maybe "quiet", so everyone can idolise that. and it's basically a loop, if the fans idolise him, it's harder to admit to yourself that it's not true, so you act normal and people idolise it even more.

[@playboytm.]

The freaky thing is that wilbur seems to be making a game out of it (which he has done with his ARG in the past) and give weird clues to thngs, (kinda freaky imo) which makes it so much worse.

[@chailattemhmm]

Sorry but what does ARG mean??

[@cantbelieve5231]

@@chailattemhmmAlternate/Alternative Reality Game. And we should be concerned if Wilbur is planning something because people don’t make ARGs for nothing; they have hidden meanings and the implications are troubling.

[@jagp135]

@@chailattemhmm Alternate Reality Game, stuff like TheSunVanished, Petscop, This House Has People In It, etc.

[@chailattemhmm]

@jagp135 confused but got the spirit I think, it's crazy that he was able to keep that imagine (arg ??) functioning so long

[@pandorasbox1922]

Yeah that's what I thought too. In the brink of my in denial, I thought the whole situation was an arg then I realize why the fck would Shelby do that 💀💀. Bro really is making an ARG out of this horrendous situation.

[@Toobero]

The worst part is, Wilbur loves his phycology. He was doing these things knowingly, using love bombing on his partners, using manipulation and choosing words that people will like to hear to his advantage, gaslighting his victims, and hurting practically everyone. I used to look up to Wilbur, like a LOT, and to find out all this man really was, was an image ment to be perfect, hurts. I always tought Wilbur would be the last person to do something like this, because that's exactly what he wanted to achieve, and that hurts. We as fans have been made to believe this man is a saint that could do no harm, it's why there's people who still stand for Wilbur, and for example, even I wish sometimes this wouldn't have happend because how much I love his content, but no, I'm not saying I wished we never found out, I'm saying I wish he was never like this. While I support Shelby and Alice, and all the other victims, i do feel bad for the people that were close to wilbur that had no idea, like Jack, Phil, but the most Tommy. Tommy was a child when he met Wilbur, and they have gotten a bond where they unironically would call eachother their brother because that's how close they were. I am a bit worried about what all Wilbur has done near or even to Tommy, since they were basically attached at the hip. I wouldn't be suprised if Tommy has been throught a lot of fucked up shit, and never realised like everyone else purely because he saw Wilbur as a good person thanks to the image Wilbur always held up of himself to look like one. I just fear what all might have happend to Tommy from his closeness to Wilbur.

[@Thomas_no_brain]

Every youtuber is getting accused these days. What tells you this isnt fake again?

[@eris3155]

@@Thomas_no_brain wilbur actually saying it was him?

[@Thomas_no_brain]

@@eris3155 but then is he saying it because it actually happened or because he’s being pressured to « admit » ? Can’t trust ANYTHING that’s being said online.

[@sumsumplays]

Ngl as someone who studied criminology and knowing what happened to shelby, im genuinely worried that tubbo and tommy might of been/are/were being groomed to some extent…especially after being able to do that to shelby. Like the point of grooming is to manipulate gain trust and benefit which u could see being friends then making money off of that friendship as grooming. Yes more complex than normal but still something to think about

[@Toobero]

@@sumsumplays exactly! Though, we already know Tubbo doesn't actually really talk with Wilbur, since Tubbo himself said he can count on his two hands how many conversations he's had with Wilbur, but with Tommy, we know he talks to Tommy constantly. We know they constantly hang out and do whatever, and for example something that proves this is the time Tommy went live in wilburs office that one time... But now I can see all tee red flags that that stream was. Wilbur was closed off, mean, and cold that entire stream interaction. And later, in another stream, wilbur ends up showing on live how he destroys Tommy's vlog gun...

[@haileyhardy3270]

I definitely thought of Wilbur as a feminist, in fact, I specifically remember literally crying at the exact clip you shared because I resonated so much with it and was going through that exact struggle. Although I have not actively watched Wilbur for a long time I was a big fan of his at one point and I still get occasional videos that make Wilbur seem like a supportive and wonderful person. Now, everything I look back on seems like a red flag pointing to who he truly is. I am so sorry for Shubble, Minx, Nickie, Alice, and Zoe. It is truly horrible that they had to go through this and I hope they can all heal. On a relatively unimportant note, I have seen many people who openly love Wilbur (lovejoy patches and dream smp buttons with Ghostbur and blue) and I feel bad for everyone who has been led to believe they can trust him.

[@Disccnnected]

Everything before technoblades death: 📈📈📈📈 Everything after technoblades death: 📉📉📉📉

[@A_awa-hi]

so true

[@StarRise-w1b]

Shelby don’t deserve that.

[@StarRise-w1b]

Still I don’t condone domestic abuse. A gentleman should never harm a lady.

[@love18death]

no one should harm anyone really

[@TeamLemonish]

Plz do not accuse shellby

[@StarRise-w1b]

@@TeamLemonish I’m siding with her.

[@AIec.]

i dont mean that she should be harmed i just dont care for it its not my problem and no way i can help if i wanted to@@love18death

[@anonymouscommenter2425]

Shubble definitely isn’t just doing it for clout, she tried to keep him anonymous, from this point she’s just painting the red flag on him that he deserves for every woman to stay away from that man

[@total2blue]

She apparently tried to keep him anonymous, which he also apparently did to her in his reply video, then in the video clip posted in this video, she is lambasting him for not even saying her name in his response video.

[@anonymouscommenter2425]

@@total2blue an apology needs to be direct, otherwise you aren’t taking accountability him not saying her name in the apology was a way of having some deniability as he “never actually confessed”

[@total2blue]

@@anonymouscommenter2425 Was he actually apologizing though or just giving his side of the situation. I have not seen or read what he posted so just going on what has been posted here, but it sounds more like he was defending himself rather than apologizing, sort of like; I am sorry she feels this way but she consented to the biting. She actually said that was even true, she is more upset about his ignoring her safe word and being hurt. I do not know if he actually addressed that part in his response.

[@G.D.G.]

She kept him anonymous because hed file her for DEFAMATION. Shes lying.

[@anonymouscommenter2425]

@@G.D.G. except that he admitted to it

[@chloelam-hong1938]

I don’t watch Wilbur but the situation felt like a slap to the face, as someone who enjoyed his music and Lovejoy. I hope Shelby and other victims affected recover and have the support needed.

[@workoutvideo3]

Thank you for this literally being the most respectful coverage of victims coming forward there could be. Specifically leaving out related discourse outside of things directly pertaining to it and simply stating this to inform rather than condem or speculate is really cool to see. Wilbur is objectively in the wrong, and that's how you are covering it. This isn't a "f*ck wilbur soot" thread that is dominating twitter right now. If anyone had a small piece of this they werent aware of or missed, you are accurately portraying the facts to help them know the full story. Well done. The only true negative of this video is that the subject matter actual occured. As a long time fan of Shelby, my heart aches knowing what her and others have experienced.

[@gertrude137]

People are saying he’s respectful but he literally disrespected the victim who didn’t want her trauma to be monetised???

[@workoutvideo3]

@@gertrude137 did you forget the proceeds are going to women's aid?

[@total2blue]

@@workoutvideo3Where does he say that?

[@koutsioj4762]

@@gertrude137 It's probably an unpopular opinion and it sounds weird but I think that when you're an internet persona you should accept that you don't get to decide what other people do (reasonably) with the public information you provide. I mean, he's kinda like a journalist and this is his job. He probably put a lot of work into this video. I don't see why he shouldn't get paid for it.

[@nukoz6942]

@@gertrude137it gets the story out. it’s drama that the creator needs.

[@Brambrew]

Shelby was a victim And The statement "Believe victims. always." Is extremely problematic and dangerous. There are victims and there are liars. Don't forget what happened to Kwite. Don't forget what happens when liars spew false allegations.

[@davidsmusic31]

I agree. Not ALWAYS

[@pogpurin]

Exactly. I believe shelby. but whilst we may be right to believe she is the victim here, that doesn’t apply to every case, and so the “always believe victims” narrative can be very harmful, as there are people of both genders being falsely accused more often than people think We can still hear out what the person has to say without immediately casting judgement unless there is enough information to show both sides, and even then it is good to keep an open mind because you never truly know. There are liars out there trying to take advantage of people who have followings etc, and who want to ruin other peoples names and careers because of spite or things that are completely made up. Its the same as blindly defending ur fav creator without being fully informed, just on two different sides

[@Snirtafied]

My grandmother is a private investigator. After I told her about the Kwite situation and the phrase "belive all victims," she offered an extension to the phrase "believe but verify"

[@owolivia]

no fr like support Shelby but every time someone ended their response w something along those lines I cringed a little thinking about how people believed kwites literal abuser over him and made him face reveal to prove himself

[@Jackieeeisvibing]

Kwite I feel was like an isolated incident bc would you rather protect a potential victim or a potential abuser? Everyone else who has been accused HAS been guilty like Kwite was the ONE person who wasn’t guilty at all.

[@Catgirl49]

He wasn‘t wrong when he called himself a „dirty crime boy“ 💀

[@KaylaChan90]

The last part: The thing is, and it makes it scarier... bad people can have some good opinions. He could have 100% meant that part about feeling sorry for the everyday girl getting mocked for interests... but still have done all the things that he did. It's always more horrifying when something like that is the case because those types of people are able to gather more victims more easily.

[@Odinyes]

wholeheartedly believe that philza is the only good guy there

[@LuvValv]

tommy?

[@sonakshipanda11]

Freddie?

[@GaLexi8833]

we can never know... (i have no doubts for phil but anyone else? no.)

[@Bringbackdislikebutton07]

Tubbo?

[@Kittiesftw]

​@@Bringbackdislikebutton07i wouldn't be surprised if he got exposed as a hidden druglord, you just can't trust anyone these days

[@greenwithin2126]

Just to add one additional piece of evidence that right now hasn't been discussed at all: a lot, if not ALL of the songs on his album Mammalian Sighing Reflex has a LOT of references that add up to both Shelby's and Alice's. In case someone wants to do additional research, check the lyrics of the songs Edit: Once again thank you for the ones on the replies to educate me a bit more about this. Don't use this as evidence! But if you wish to still check the songs out and draw your own conclusions without using it as factual evidence, feel free to do so. I do feel the lyrics are at least inspired by these events, but feel free to draw your own conclusions :)

[@christophsiebert1213]

Lyrics interpretation is bad evidence. Even if true, you can make lyrics mean everything, if you bend your mind hard enough. I wouldn't take this as any evidence whatsoever.

[@greenwithin2126]

@@christophsiebert1213 how would you misinterpret "teeth before tongue"? Serious question

[@total2blue]

@@greenwithin2126Don't forget to open your mouth and get your teeth out of the way before french kissing.

[@sugoish9461]

​@greenwithin2126 could be not in the literal sense? I havent heard his recent songs and then the allegations came out before I found the time, so i havent heard the original. But just that sentence alone could just as well be interpreted as scaring people off rather than letting them in, for a fear of vulnerability. Or acting before feeling, I guess, if food or consuming something literally, is used as a metaphor for handling situations

[@total2blue]

@@greenwithin2126- There are a couple of things that come to mind that do not have anything to do with abuse. I did post one earlier which seems to have been removed, so I will not repeat it, but it did not involve biting.

[@Simonsizzle]

I like the part where Alice says that she doesn’t want youtube news channels to monetise off of her trauma and then you’re like “yeah ima do it anyway”

[@12MyNameIs]

The "drama"(emphasis on the quotes) is pretty new and people are already making youtube videos about it like it's not someone's traumatic experience, kind of weird and disgusting

[@gertrude137]

Its so gross

[@edenbee88]

god forbid this guy does his job and gets paid for it

[@VampireBabysitter]

Yeah immediately threw me off.

[@fahrenheit2101]

Fr and then he starts distancing himself from "bottom-dweller" channels that are the "real problem" to save face. Total bullshit.

[@maxharvey165]

Is it just me or the dream gang is falling one by one ? Dream, will and now george ? I had a feeling they weren't all good people and now my feeling is being confirmed.

[@ChillyOutside]

Punz now..

[@erincurrie1560]

minecraft youtuber turn out to be bad people? no way lol

[@CatBC2009]

​@@ChillyOutside Who in the world is that

[@saltystick_99]

Please, I'm begging, don't let Ph1lza or Slimecicle have some real gross skeletons in their closets.

[@anodeskywalker]

​@@ChillyOutside wtf did punz do???

[@CloudyAviation]

18:12 "I'm sorry in advance, but no I will be monetizing your trauma." Oh how... noble?

[@emiofnnc]

yea wtf was that, like i believe at the start of his last video he said he wont monetize it, but hes monetizing this one???

[@Ev_box]

@@emiofnncidk why people care. these videos take time to make, it’s the guys job. literally just a waste of money if he doesn’t monetise it

[@Shadoallcaps]

@@Ev_box fake altruist social mindset. People are rather dumb these days lol

[@ungamerismyname]

Based

[@liam1912]

i mean he didnt clickbait with it in any way, it was one of 4 Parts of the Video, not the sole cashcow, iykwim

[@xxsydneypopytxx]

I watched Alice when she was a LPS youtube and I have recently gotten back to watching her in January after years of not. I'm so sad to see that she was victim in this too. No one hurts my LPS tubers

[@AliAkbar-pw6uf]

get ready to do one about the George not found allegations

[@dolphyna6358]

Im lost whats happening can u send some link or tell me whats going on? 🙏🙏

[@Puesunapersonamaslol]

What happend?

[@never3am]

​@dolphyna6358 just look up "caitibugzz george not found" and you should find some videos explaining it

[@virginiaf4117]

Huh?

[@AliAkbar-pw6uf]

It's a long story just type in "goarge not found drama" the story is so bad i didn't even believe it at first

[@0wlTerrace]

While I've always loved Wilbur's content, and a lot of the content he's been in in the past- I hate to finally say that I can not watch it anymore without being disgusted, seeing one of my favorite streamers now as a terrible and horrid person due to the new and recent allegations. Which now seem to be turning out as very true. I am not saying this in a "Stir the pot" fashion, not at all. I will always believe the victim until there is concrete proof they are very much not the victim. This is a definite situation in which I believe the victims of Wilbur. Nothing can change that now. I personally, have also been listening to Wilbur's music for a very long time, and it genuinely hurts me to remove the music from his own albums from my playlists. Those songs have gotten me through some of the toughest stuff I have gone through. Personally, I also listen to Lovejoy almost daily, and I hope to continue- though it is a moral dilemma when it now comes on my playlists. I most likely will be listening to those albums and songs much less now. Thank you @FoxAkimbo for having a solid argument and well written video on the topic. I hope everyone has a wonderful day, stay safe, and thank you for reading my take on the situation.

[@lmdsn]

that is quite literally guilty until proven innocent

[@christophsiebert1213]

First, this is guilty until proven innocent. You want definite proof of the accuser being wrong, until then you believe them. I'm currently believing Shubble, as the situation seems more in her favor, given statements from various people, but you're very hypocritical in your proof standards. You should want proof from both sides for their respective arguments. You should want proof for Shubbles accusation and Wilburs defense. And yet, you chose to just believe Shubble and want proof for the opposite. You should rethink that approach and maybe you can: Second, split the art from the artist. If you enjoy Lovejoy, his old content, etc. still enjoy it. If it gave you inspiration or shapes you, let it influence you. Even if the accusations are true, that doesn't make his music less beautiful, this doesn't undo the help and mental strength it gave you to go through hard times, and it doesn't undo the joy you felt watching the content. Please, learn to draw lines. Distance yourself from now on, if you need, but don't cut all ties to something that helped you a lot.

[@AlbertoTuber]

@@christophsiebert1213 I feel like it should be the opposite, you want proof of the accused doing what he did. Otherwise how do you prove that you never did any of those things if you didn't do them?

[@christophsiebert1213]

@@AlbertoTuber That's what I said. You should want proof from both sides. Everyone can do a He-Said, She-Said. Believing Shubble just like this and then wanting proof from the accused that it didn't happen is hypcritical. You should want proof from her for what she said. And then wanting proof from the accused for the opposite, if the accused doesn't acknowledge the accusation. In this case, we didn't really see much proof from either side. We just heard stories that may or may not be true.

[@kaitolight6839]

I feel utterly broken about this... Wilbur was an important comfort streamer of mine... I never thought he'd ever do that to Shelby and the other poor victims... I didn't want to believe it, thinking that it was all hearsay and Chinese Whispers, but now....I feel kind of numb... I sincerely hope Shelby and the other victims (my apologies, I am terrible with remembering names) get the justice they deserve

[@ezentsy3329]

never get attached

[@trigger5258]

dude, if she's telling you she doesn't want videos covering this monetized don't monetize them. Your "apology in advance" doesn't mean shit. knock that shit off, it's gross

[@scp-phenomenon014]

he has four options, apologize while still bringing the information forward, dont apologize at all but include it anyways, dont monetize the video despite putting decent time and effort into the video, or dont include it as per the op's post and then have moire damning evidence go to waste for who knows how many people who dont have twitter like me. gee, i wonder which one makes the most sense. it sucks he cant respect her wishes but for gods sake, if we asked alice ourselves if she wants more people informed or not i feel like the answer is self explanatory.

[@Aspy208]

i don’t have twitter so this video really helps me keep track with what’s going on thank you

[@G.D.G.]

Just a headsup. Fans already figure out Shelby is lying. When given proof - she deleted and blocked that person.

[@ponchylol]

​@@G.D.G.can you link the video where its debunked? Also he said it himself that he did it

[@cgirlie]

I feel like this might be important, in Wilbur's album "Your city gave me asthma" he mentions a girl a lot of times. 2 or so years ago I found a then-deleted vlog reuploaded, with him and a girl going on a trip around Europe. In one scene he was seen smiling with a bandage on his face( like he described in a line from "Since I last saw Vienna") and I hope that the girl in the vlog, that he made the album about, will come forward. I think that her experience could be the most telling out of all of them. Maybe it is Alice, but I doubt it because it was released in 2020 but in the song he mentions "It's been 60 weeks since I last saw Vienna" and I don't know if it was made even before(2019/Alice)or not. Anyway, I am truly sorry for all of the people involved, that experienced such maltreatment and ab*se. My heart goes out to all the girls that went trough such horrible things, and even the young streamers that were around him and looked up to him, that were minors at the time...

[@Jackieeeisvibing]

People saying “biting isn’t bad enough” is creepy like what is wrong w you?? Like ANYTHING where someone said stop and you don’t is abuse

[@Lyney_le_Magicien]

Ranboo's comment there really hit hard. I had a sexually abusive boyfriend once, and since my friends knew him longer then me, immediately took his side. The conversation ended with him saying he didint mean it and then I left, frustrated.

[@xoxoSam292]

I am so sorry are you ok? Having and abusive person in your life is tough I hope you have healled ❤

[@alexskywalker8945]

I think this is a genuinely good video and the fact that you're spreading awareness of this topic and domestic violence is great, but you can't just say "sorry I used your statement Alice". That is just blatant disregarding of her wishes. There are so many other things you can do. 1. take ALL the money and send it to organizations that help with domestic violence/abuse 2. Don't use her statement and simply just link or mention it, or 3. turn monetization off all together. Going off the fact that I got no ads, I hope that's what you did, but seriously, you can't just disregard her wants and say sorry

[@adalon378]

Thank you for making this video. People need to wake up... This is beyond typical internet drama. This is about people being hurt by someone, before and after Shelby, in addition to Shelby herself, who is more brave than most of us could ever dream to be.

[@LazyLea]

I always used to have this weird feeling when watching him but still loved his content and Lovejoy music.....I juts realized that i always had off feeling about him after this whole thing. I hope other Lovejoy members will come forward with this

[@pogpurin]

Sometimes when you watch people, their real self can peak through in minuscule ways, especially when interacting with others as well and so you can feel off about someone, and not fully know why, until you have a reason.

[@heyder9403]

he is an "actor" playing multiple roles, from the ARGs he made it's obvious that he is skilled at story telling, so it is not surprising that he managed to keep this behind the curtains for so long. It is upsetting that someone as him. With an audience of I'd say many young people as far as minors, has been hiding behind a mask this whole time.

[@somerandom3291]

Even still, monetising this video is more than a little shitty...

[@G.D.G.]

Didnt alice plug her OF account after the statement? 😂

[@BucketOfJames]

The thing is, I don't think it was an apology Wilbur made, it was a response/defence, in that case, it's justified to be "self-centred".

[@markosmywords9202]

Definitely not an apology, especially since he barely said sorry.

[@lord_boneman]

While Fox won’t name Shubble’s critics, I will at least name one: Lerix. And his ire (although crass and rude) makes sense; he wants evidence proving Shubble’s accusations and has discussed situations prior where people bought in to controversies yet he wanted proof (MamaMax claiming to have evidence of a cult leader SAing hundreds of girls, SuperMega being accused of hiding and not caring about SA, Plagued Moth randomly accusing people of being pedos, TwoMad being accused of being an attempted murderer an hour after his death was announced, Dream getting accused by damn near everyone of everything, etc.).

[@ItsTanuki0_Clock]

Specially with the "believe all victims always" thing We have plenty of cases of famous people being falsely accused of things to ruin their career, Johnny Depp, Dalas Review, Melanie Martinez, Dream etc. I am 100% in Shelbys' side especially after Wilbur's behavior recently, but people should at least understand why so many people want actual proofs from one side or the other rather than allegations because this things are serious enough

[@sherikrupp]

Didn’t Wilbur literally admit to this though…?

[@rawntech_7820]

@@ItsTanuki0_Clock I completely agree. I dont understand how that man (Wilbur) can see someone he used to love nearly break down on stream, and then not even name her in his 'apology'. That being said, of course im on shelbys side her, but 'beilve all victims is a dangerous precedent. What is a victim?- self defined. Anyone can make themself a victim through lies, so to belive them with no evidence is crazy. Just to re-iterate, so no one gets mad- I AM TALKING ABOUT IN OTHER SITUATIONS. I AM ON SHELBYS SIDE.

[@snowfire321]

honestly, the fact that so many people who were such good friends with them both all took shelby's side says a lot

[@rawntech_7820]

@@snowfire321Fr. although it would be hard for them to support wilbur, i agree it speaks volumes.

[@sapphiresplash]

The worst part is he's making this into a game. He's done it before. He knows how to twist clues and hints into seemingly nonsensical things, he knows human psychology and how to use that knowledge. That is a truly terrifying person.

[@sevenfifteen]

It's a classic case of an abusive narcissistic sociopath. As such he has no empathy, nor does he care for other reasons. The biting itself is an impulse control disorder. Yes, this guy is seriously, seriously ill. He needs treatment in a hospital for a few years. But please make no mistake: He is fully responsible for all of his actions. Sociopaths do know what's right and wrong - they just don't care. Btw, this also explains why he could be so different on streams for years. Sociopaths know what they are expected to show on an emotional level. They just don't feel those.

[@justjaguar2314]

An ex-friend of mine was REALLY into wilbur when we were friends, like 2-3 years ago, they rarely stopped drooling about him at the time I wonder what they think of him now...

[@theWublin]

been watching sense the beginning love your videos

[@mistermistermr732]

*since

[@EthylBaker]

Very well done video! Definitely a informative watch

[@orvit3467]

The state of KZbin comments makes me so frustrated, exactly 4 comments on this video right now that are at all related to the content/have any reason to exist other than begging for a pin or trying to seem cool for being early.

[@sirleopold2378]

on camera he presents himself so brotherly. my friends and i sometimes rate youtubers by whether or not we could trust them to hold our drink and i used to rank wilbur as "no but only because he would drink it" i guess just goes to show that no matter how nice someone is they still might be a vile human underneath the surface.

[@emma_nutella58]

Wilbur should listen to the yo Gabba Gabba song “don’t bite your friends”

[@masontoy1976]

"Cause all I want to do is turn back time at least a couple Tuesdays to before I found my life turned 2" -Wilbur Soot

[@maddoxpadgett1525]

damn that hits

[@crit24]

damn, i used to watch wilbur soot so much. this is quite a shock tbh...

[@cant_help_myself]

God what a strong woman. As someone who enjoyed all of these creators content, it was like being punched in the face. They got me through hard times and I will be forever grateful for that. But the fact that this is even a thing hurts and I can only imagine what shubble is going through. Even after recovering from the break up and having do deal with all this backlash just because she reviled the truth.

[@katsirregular]

Wilbur turning to make an ARG type thing with Jebediah, is quite frankly inhumane and disgusting. He simply needs to accept this is the end of his career, and lay in the grave he has dug for himself. Disgusting.

[@G.D.G.]

I personally find it funny! Its fun to laugh at a girl lying about you when you have proof.

[@kaylacrowson5216]

​@@G.D.G.I'm sorry, what proof has Wilbur laid out on the table? Hold on let me check the file-- Nothing. Absolutely Nothing.

[@jennygracefully]

I’m genuinely concerned about why Wilbur is not being criminally charged for his alleged abuse. If the allegations are true, and he’s not being held accountable for his actions, then he could hurt more women. If this man is truly dangerous, then he should be treated as such. If they can’t criminally prosecute him, then at least sue him. There has to be some form of legal action here if this alleged abuser refuses to take any accountability.

[@Catalina-Winemixer]

Welcome to reality, where courts are congested and it’s really hard to prove abuse even when there’s proof. Lawyers are expensive. Death threats are scary. Most victims don’t get their justice.

[@MissyMona]

Hi! SA survivor here. It's very unlikely that the evidence would be enough to stand in the court of law, for that to have worked Alice would of had to immediately gone to the hospital upon waking up after her assault and then do a police statement. Between shock, confusion and pain that just isn't what most people go to. Many of us don't even realize we've been assaulted until after. Saying "stop" and someone not immediately stopping during sex is sexual assault. But usually we give them the benefit of the doubt, why would they PURPOSEFULLY hurt us? In my case I went the police with solid evidence, but because a lot of the evidence was online they didn't help me. I'm sorry to say in most places the actual act of getting help is a lot harder then it looks from the outside.

[@kriichan6100]

8:46 people do know that emotional abuse is a thing as well right? It doesn't have to be physical for it to be taken seriously and emotional abuse always ecompanies physical.

[@coltonbenitz9557]

The thing mentioned at 10:00 with Wilburs friends blindly taking her side is they basically would have to take her side or their time on the internet would practically be brought to an end. That is why I personally believe Tommyinnit hasnt come out with a statement is that he is genuinely taking time to consider what happened here.

[@G.D.G.]

Hes waiting for Wilburs full statement. If he - or anyone for that matter - didnt side with shelby they would lose their careers. Jackmanifold said "ive never had a bad experience with wilbur" and shubbles fans attacked him for defending him

[@Ramsesamonra]

*You are always betrayed by your closest friends......never by your enemies*

[@greytae7129]

It just so sad to see one of your childhood KZbinrs turn out to be a person who abused people, I’m really saddened by this whole situation but my whole support goes out to Shelby and any others who experienced this.

[@erstwil]

Hearing Quakity's voice waver like that is something I'd never thought I'd hear. It stirred something within me. I can't imagine. This is really taking a toll on so many people.

[@nemolai7989]

its been a hell of a start of a year, man

[@Angelica_tina]

*Dream = proved innocent* *Forever = 8 years ago WAS a ped0* Result: Kicked from qsmp *Willbur = proved abuser and r@per* Result: kicked banned *George = Guilty suspicious* *Punz = racıst took advantage of his gf* (George and punz have been acused of the same thing)

[@TheGamersState]

I'm gonna be honest here and what I'm saying may make some people angry but I wanna be real; I think the idea of "Believe all victims, always" is very dangerous and a horrible approach to take. Now just to clarify, I'm not saying we should always believe the accused, what I am saying we should stay neutral until both sides have had their say and presented their sides before we decide who's side we are on. The main reason why I do not like this approach is what happened to ProJared, he was accused of sending inappropriate pictures to minors and almost everyone believed them. I'm even sad to admit that I even was guilty of doing this but once he made his response video and cleared his name, I realized we all had been deceived and blindly follow what his accusers say. For the record though; I do believe Shelby. Wilbur's response to this was downright appauling and after all this other evidence has come out, like the infamous tree story with Techno Blade we well as people that you'd expect to take his side turning against him, I can say out of the 2 that's most credible, Shelby is the 1 to go with. All I'm saying is I really do think there is a dangerous side to just blindly believing the victims, by doing that you are risking making people that are innocent into actual victims of lies and misinformation.

[@iamalfred7435]

Bit weird how you still monetised this vid considering Alice's request. I would of uploaded a separate demonetised vid covering her story.

[@SSS-suu]

Dang the way Quackity’s voice sounded was very sad to hear, I hate that Wilbur did all this stuff!

[@benena4619]

bro got that Rio de Janeiro background

[@dzjengis]

Im just so sad right now, ever since techno passed I have been watching more of his friends, including wilbur. I've been finding comfort in their video's and I just want to go back to not knowing, and yet I am glad to know.

[@Suri-ph5jf]

I always thought he looked like a serial killer

[@evelyneisenhower8338]

You know what? He does

[@q.u.o.t.e7149]

Why is this so true, he looks like the starter skin or design of a serial killer in a game, brown hair, brown eyes, white and tall. And his eyes to me always look empty, plus his style of clothes and glasses makes him look like a game from the early 2000’s

[@tosdy8480]

Honestly those vibes were the reason why i loved his videos like especially his weird sense of humour.

[@sleepingkiwibird4411]

I understand when Shubbles says that all her friends didn't blindly sided with her, but most of Wilbur's friends if I'm correct said they didn't know this side of Wilbur and have left his side because siding with a possible abuser is just morally wrong and to believe victims would be the correct way to handle this type of situation, which kind of just says they blindly trusted her. Of course how Wilbur has acted makes me more incline to believe in Shubbles but I'd still like some sort of physical proof to insure this is true since we only have hearsay and second hand or first hand encounters that could have been easily mistaken, forgotten, fabricated, and etc.

[@MystamiSalami]

You are a rando on social media. You don't need physical proof on peoples REAL ASS LIVES that you are not involved in. That's weird. Her friends sided with her because they are her friends, that's what friendship is. To say that you need more proof on a situation about someones personal life that you will never be involved in just because its been popularized on social media is kinda gross. It's not like shes asking for the whole internet to side with her, she was just telling her story.

[@akakun3203]

Bruh... he ADMITTED TO IT

[@officiallytrist1360]

The thing is, it's very uncommon for victims of abuse to have proof of their abuse, because a lot of them don't realise they've been abused until much later. As Shelby said, it took her months of therapy and other people speaking to her for her to realise she was abused, add on the fact that the bites were on more private areas of her body, I don't believe many people would want to take photos of them, it can be embarrassing to admit you've been abused, and even upsetting to have to photograph the evidence.

[@Professional_Tough_Guy]

​@@akakun3203misconception, he admitted to being a shit boyfriend but not an abuser. He was too coward to admit it ig.

[@Kenzieistired99]

You sound like our broken legal system.

[@crossanddream2]

I feel bad for Shelby, its so sad hearing what people are sending her and trying to falsely her story. I'm someone who has gone through abuse so shelby saying something is amazing, its not easy to talk about much less confess about the abuse given how many people support Wilbur. And I do hope the victims who haven't said anything are doing okay and are safe. And when the drama with dream came up he didn't try to manipulate people within a fake apology, he just calmy explained everything and gave proof which is much better than what wilbur did. Its honestly sad seeing how many people are turning out to horrible/disgusting people. Though I am glad that Shelby has support from her friends, its nice to see that aren't trying to accuse of her lying or something. I truly hope all the other victims hsve support as well.

[@nananakeson]

I've met pitbulls who bit less people than Wilbur

[@LordPanda9259]

Hey, I loved watching your vids, but I think I've lost interest after what you did to Alice. She asked people not to monetize her information, and you did it anyways. You easily could have said, "I'll link her information in the description for you to read" but you didn't. You ignored a victims one request. You don't seem malicious, but what you did was scummy. Wish you the best, but this is gonna be the last video I watch. Please respect the victims of future drama you cover.

[@emma_nutella58]

It bothers me that there are still people that defend Wilbur and flat out support him saying Shelby is the one that’s the abuser. I feel a big reason for that is because he’s a good looking man and “cute”. Because I know that if he was not attractive their would be people saying they support Wilbur no matter what

[@EzraH214]

Believe all victims always if they have stable/reliable evidence, saying believe all victims just by itself is stupid as that includes when they don't have anything to back up what they are saying as true, just for example look at whats happening to George

[@DevilSpade]

Hey dunce its been 5 months, and wilbur hasnt said anything to "prove his innocence" in fact he admitted to abusing shel and made the most dog shit apology to calm the waters like a coward. And stop acting like this is internet drama you arent finding text from years ago that will incriminate the abuser most tales of actual abuse have the abuser never get punished because there isnt proof against them to throw them in jail word of mouth is extremly importaint Especially considering how several other women have come out and saying that Wilbur has harrassed them

[@Edge0fEden]

it still stings months later knowing what he did. i used to look up to him. and im sad to say that if it weren't for him and his streams, i might not be here now. he gave me hope in humanity and now hes why im losing faith in it. he helped me feel a little less weird because i related to him but now im scared that ive hurt people too.

[@Taliafreaksout]

I personally think you should be on the victims side until proven wrong. People cannot just say that this is drama. This is just abuse. This is manipulation, and physical abuse. No one should be on Wilbur’s side just because he helped them through music or whatever. I understand being upset, but you cannot defend his actions. Wilbur’s friends and Shelby’s friends all sided with her because there has been actions he had done that makes it believable, or people who just have been hurt by him or seen people get hurt by him.

[@lovely2wice]

i think you should support and believe the victim, but dont do anything bad to the person being accused without evidence. false accusations are life ruining, and you cant just take a victims word, run with it, and destroy the life of person being accused. that said, you should believe any victims, but dont take their word as fact unless they have concrete evidence. in this situation, theres more than enough proof to show that wilbur is an abuser which is simply disgusting, but i genuinely cant believe how people are so willing to ruin peoples lives even without concrete evidence, like what happened to dream and whats happening to george right now.

[@Y30J]

False allegations can ruin someone’s life. Wilbur is definitely guilty he literally admitted it himself, but you can’t believe everyone. You can still support victims without believing everything they say, Kwite situation is the biggest example of why it’s not good to always believe the “victim”

[@G.D.G.]

​@@JCTheToonisthi! Wilbur supporter in the wild. We already have proof shes lying.

[@evelynhenson8962]

It's very heartbreaking to hear this shit... I was in love with Wilbur and his music. Knowing this all happening is quite shocking and truly disgusting. I just wanna cry right now.

[@CoolzTR]

Innocent until proven gulity. I do not support Wilbur nor do I support his victims but to me seems like a grand master plan to ruin Wilbur's career since how fast all of his victims are coming out. And considering how all allegations are announced online than going through inital court cases just proves that this is not all true and matter of fact emphasises on my opinion that all of Wilbur's friends (excluding Tommyinnit as I havent seen his reaction) wanted him out and to ruin his reputation to the point of no coming back. Maybe something did happen off camera with all of his friends wanting to ruin him, or maybe Wilbur did assualt those girls. I personally feel that it this should of stayed off camera and gone to court than trying to ruin him online without solid evidence. I mean look at the Tubbo allegation, and yet Tubbo is off clean (knowing that it was fake allegations), why cant Wilbur be seen under the same light as Tubbo. Like i said, innocent until proven guilty.

[@MojaKravica1985]

real knows real

[@grayishady]

You're so right,believing people without proof in this situation is fucked

[@Nolongerusingthisaccount-t2b]

Exactly

[@yikes8932]

Isn't it so convenient that every single time that a creator is outed for abuse it's all a conspiracy. Why is it so difficult to believe that when 93% of women experience abuse in their lifetime that some of their abusers will be famous? It doesn't give them a free pass. It doesn't make grand plans. Particularly when the victims always recieve more criticism than the abusers. The mental gymnastics people like you have to do will never cease to baffle me.

[@CoolzTR]

@yikes8932 Okay, I get that you hate what I said, and although I don't understand that last part with mental gymnastics, I want to believe every victim of abuse because it is not right either way. But, ever since the MeToo movement, there have been women abusing that power to get at their ex-partners or wanting to ruin someone credibility. This is why I always agree to the idea of going into court and having more than one person opinion. Take the Johnny Depp case vs. Amber Heard, everyone loves Depp and the court ruled that Heard was out to get him. If Depp did abuse Heard, then he would get the Wilburr treatment instantly. So why is it wrong of me to state the obvious that this should of gone to court instead of online if these allegations were serious as they proclaim to be? Like I said before, I will love to support every woman victim but, it is hard to support, let alone go near a woman, when they only want to cause trouble. For Wilburr sake and these allegations, go to court and provide evidence and let the justice system decide. Innocent until proven guilty.

[@SeaBunni0]

The thought he manipulated his fans and friends makes my stomach nauseous. I feel used, and I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one. Everyone, fans, friends of Wilbur, content creators, please take it easy. Remember to express what you feel in a healthy way. You are not alone. Stay safe everyone.

[@samiuyo]

so disgusting how people can do this to others, and i’m glad that this has brought attention to other people’s situation and people aren’t afraid to share their stories. they are so incredibly brave for sharing their stories, so much support to them.

[@purlpup]

Techno passed away believing his friends were good people. If it turns out that Philza, Tommy and Tubbo also have these allegations I will have lost all faith in humanity. I can’t believe I looked up to these people, but I guess some people just have a really good pokerface.

[@potatoman7594]

so glad the mod team decided to leave him! it wouldve been really easy for them to control the chat so the abuser wouldn't have to face his actions. I'm glad they couldn't find it within themselves to do that. if you're reading this mod team good job!

[@Bobbcat99099]

I commented a few months back that you were one of my new favorite KZbinrs. Since then I’ve watched your videos every time they drop and even go back to watch your older stuff. You are def one of my favorite KZbinrs of all time now. I always recommend your channel. Keep it up!! You are so good at sharing information while keeping it entertaining and respectful!🎉

[@Malkinsmoth]

From what Shelby has said I think he just loves the fame, whether it's good or bad he's getting a lot of attention right now and I think that's why he hasn't addressed it properly and also made this Jebediah account

[@martimfernandes6136]

The reason why everyone agreed «blindly» with shelby isn't because deep down they knew what she said was right, it's because each and everyone of them is very much associated with social media, and things like this bring terrible publicity to their reputation/company.

[@jarnold]

during the dream allegations really no one spoke on it at all.

[@zeltzamer4010]

@@jarnoldProbably because his allegations were baseless if I recall correctly.

[@scp-phenomenon014]

@@jarnold didnt like ranboo, tommy and maybe a few others distance themselves from him though? i mean before the allegations but like i saw a clip where some of them were even making fun of the situation

[@G.D.G.]

True. Recently even Tina broke down that on every social media platform shubbles fans are attacking her for nor showing shelby support.

[@Lizziex1000]

I personally find all of this super interesting. I never watched willbr soot but my ex boyfriend LOVED HIM and based his whole personality off of him. The hair the clothes the posh voice everything. And my ex boyfriend was super abusive. Not physically, though he was rough and gave me bruises regularly when biting my neck (but I didn't mind at the time because physical pain during intimacy doesn't upset me) He was emotionally manipulative and constantly threatened to kill himself. He would take just enough paracetamol to get him to the hospital and sent home again. All for attention and to guilt me after arguments. Idk man hearing all this makes me feel heard because It feels as though I was dating a little clone of willbr. I was also demonized by his friends. After we broke up my ex told them that I cheated on him (I didnt. I got SA'd in a forrest) and he would trigger me publically by putting his hands in my face (I'm autistic and this makes me feel really Invaded and trapped) so that I would lash out and he could be seen as a victim.

[@VEXON963]

I hope you feel better now

[@dodonixx953]

That's... and pardon me if this sounds bad or deaminening. It's kinda as if wilbur was doing the "it's all a joke and satire when I do n@zi things," but for abuse... A lot of his songs and personality in his videos struck me as abusive, but in a way that felt like it was supposed to be satire.

[@Alex-fc8xn]

Oof that's awful, the detail about him deliberately triggering autistic meltdowns/fight or flight responses is particularly significant to me because I see people trying to say that autistic victims are actually the abusers because of lashing out instinctively when overwhelmed. My mum acts like my brother abused her before he was even an adult for hitting her when she screamed at him. It's why my own meltdowns are mostly shutdowns where I dissociate and lose the ability to communicate instead of instinctively protecting myself, and that has made me more vulnerable to abuse :(

[@ebonydarknessdementiaraven4610]

this actually scares me ngl, like how can someone be so violently different on and off camera? Did he ever care abt his friends or fans? Were their any streams I watched that took place only moments before or after he acted like this?

[@vxjhxhj]

The fact that MULTIPLE PEOPLE had stated that Wilbur bit/hurt/manipulated people before is sickening. I’m so glad people aren’t blindly taking his side and that Shelby is getting the love she needs. ❤️

[@Faamouse_]

DSMP Member “Try to be a normal person challenge” (impossible)

[@Parzival9778]

Sure. Listen to allegations without any proof, without any word from Wilbur himself, let’s hear only stories that are not even provided with true. Imagine if you’ve been framed, from everyone and no one even gives you an opportunity to say something in defence. In the apology message from Wilbur, he tried to prevent any attacks from his community’s attacks on her, and then she showed herself to his community. Say all you want, hate me, but I’m on Wilbur’s side. Wilbur does not deserve to be left out by everyone. And dear people, please have your own opinion as well. Think with YOUR head. Sharing my support for dear Wilbur Soot.

[@kaushikisaxena2026]

Opportunity?he still has an internet connection...if he was innocent,he would've said that In the apology...he admits that he did it... What makes you think he'd apologise for something he didn't do?

[@TylerThatMusicGuy2011]

​@@kaushikisaxena2026 again, what proof did Shelby have that Wilbur "supposedly" abused her. But people have proof that Wilbur was being abused by Shelby and in every photo that he was in with her he looks like he's moving away or that he looks uncomfortable. Also Shelby has been accused of grooming with valid evidence and the same day that these allegations came up was the same day that she went bankrupt. Shelby doesn't want to admit that she was wrong. She just wants attention and money.

[@starferno9194]

"believe victims always" is one of the sentances of all time. Today should be more like it always was, innocent until proven guilty. Take a neutral side and do not follow the hoard of people going to where they get less hate like 90% of these so called friends do. This is why we have a thing called playing the victim card because some people pretend to be the victim to get more fame or reputation not saying that is the case here but in todays world anything could be true.

[@MojaKravica1985]

real knows real signed - Astro Flipper

[@yeko_xh]

Ouch when you talked about Quackity you remembered my younger self who used to ship their characters together and have fun about it My smp phase was probably my inner self and it hurts I thought I was healing while watching the video, I’m just not yet I hope Shelby’s doing alright, I hope these nasty replies of people will be stopping soon God bless her, Niki and the other girls that we don’t know about yet

[@thsxi]

“Believe victims, always” no I’d disagree, however that doesn’t mean you should not believe them. You need to provide proof, person allegation levied against should first respond before assuming their guilt. In this case Shelby is to be believed because Wilbur responded and literally admitted to it.

[@abandonedaccount.6834]

Correction, but yeah, Wilbur admitted to being a shitty boyfriend. Not an abuser. Still, as another comment taught me before, its better to support a potential victim of abuse than a potential abuser.

[@G.D.G.]

​@@abandonedaccount.6834so...acedentally believing and swingging the pendulum to accuse a womens ex with no proof and only her words, sits right with you?

[@abandonedaccount.6834]

@Cioculator thats fair lol. my opinions change a lot on specific matters often so i dont really go by that standard anymore but yeah thanks for the advice

[@mememan5466]

I always felt like something was up with wilburs content. I'm not claiming to be some kind of social genius and that i expected all this to come out (i didn't expect it at all). But when you talked about him just saying what his audience wanted to hear it explained exactly what I felt. His persona on camera has always seemed very forced and manufactured.

[@wimsy69]

idk who but someone once that something along the lines of if wilbur didn’t have pretty privileges, people wouldn’t put up with him and that stuck with me. especially as I pretty much idolized him back in 2021, his words just so right to hear for a teen. Kind of really sucks for lovejoy as well as a good friend has tickets and wanted to go with me and now this. edit: ycgma hard carried me 2020 - 2022 and has a special place in my heart and now when I listen to it I feel repulsed. man.

[@Acedoutspace]

I've watched both of them for a while now, and so when I first found out about the situation, I was extremely conflicted. I feel like I did trust Shelby in what she said even from the start, though, and once I found out more about the situation, I physically can't understand why people would continue to support her ex. Shelby is a sweet person, she didn't deserve any of what she went through during that relationship, and neither did Alice or anyone else he hurt. My heart goes out to them and any other DV survivors. Wilbur's actions and response disgust me and I don't understand why there are people who are still defending him.

[@G.D.G.]

Alice photos are photoshoped. The fans found which photos she used to edit wilbur in. For shubble... bitter exes exist.

[@ponchylol]

​@@G.D.G.but she isnt a bitter ex What is your proof of her being a bad person. Just because you support wilbur, doesnt mean that you can hate on shubble for nothing

[@lulianjuliuswassbach]

Guys, just because Wilbur Soot abuses women does not mean everything he's ever done was actually just horrible and insincere. People are multi-faceted and even abusers can do good stuff out of their heart. That does not mean I'm supporting him in any way, I just want people to stop thinking black and white.

[@fregeu]

tommy and jack are the only ones who really survived because they just weren’t problematic

[@Hooliganpunks]

Omg💀 The moment i clicked the video an ad immediately popped up. And the first words i hear were "appearances can be deceiving"

[@xoxoSam292]

Lmao

[@rozirusvlog7742]

In the polish youtube community we had a very similar case of "apology" sometime last year, it was a case of domestic abuse as well, and that situation was overall very similar. (Gargamel was the name of his channel if anybody's curious) The victim came forward, the creator apologized with a heavy focus on himself rather than the victim, everybody simultaneously cut ties with him, the community was in chaos. It's very surreal to see a case so similar but on a global scale. Of course, I hope Shelby moves on and copes with everything that has happened. Domestic abuse and intense manipulation is something I wouldn't wish upon my worst enemy, and how someone can do this to another person disgusts me

[@ceciliabruh2488]

I remember I used to watch his soot house videos. After a while I started watching another KZbinr reacting to videos Wilbur made directed towards said KZbinr (vaguely remember so I might be wrong about the circumstance) but my goodness they were creepy. Even at the time it felt genuine, it changed my perspective on Wilbur and stopped watching his content.