‘WE'VE HAD ENOUGH': Veteran teacher quits over 'out of control' students

Stacey Sawyer, former public school teacher of 30 years, discusses the state of U.S. public schools post-pandemic, teacher salaries, students' test scores and school attendance.
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[@mimifranklin9887]

As soon as she said "Is there anything teachers can do (about student absenteeism) I already knew that she was completely out of touch with reality. WHY IS IT THE TEACHERS JOB TO GET THE KIDS TO SCHOOL. IT IS A DAY SCHOOL, NOT A BOARDING SCHOOL. THE PARENTS SHOULD GET THEM TO SCHOOL IN THE MORNINGS!!

[@BladedBear]

In US public schools, all sense of responsibility has been stripped from the parents and placed onto the teachers. Kid doesn't show up to school on time (or at all)? Must be the teacher's fault. Kid doesn't do any of their assigned work and insists on being disruptive in class? That's apparently an issue with the teacher's "classroom management", and their work doesn't have enough "rigor" (admin buzz words). Kid makes a threat of violence to another student? "Classroom management" excuse once again...never any accountability on the part of the student or their parents.

[@gaboc1409]

I work in High school where the first class starts at 8:45, I have sever students at get in my classroom around 10am, like nothing happen

[@Dr.Sharron]

​@@gaboc1409, I observed the same as well.

[@kimoramicheal8353]

​@@gaboc1409You are talking about a high-school, I see this in middle school 6th grade! 😢

[@itsablessingbeinganamerica1401]

Exactly, It's parents responsibility! Parents chose to have children so obviously it's their responsibility to raise their children not teachers.

[@atomictime9410]

No consequences for bad behavior. Teachers get blamed for everything and never praised. Principals sacrifice teachers to appease parents and students. Students are running the schools

[@christinecrow4251]

The reporters were like, so what are teachers doing to get students with high absentee rates to attend school.. That is a parent issue, not a teacher issue.

[@atomictime9410]

​@@christinecrow4251I agree. They put all the responsibilities on the teachers. The whole education system is a train wreck

[@lookout97]

@@atomictime9410 Parents have no consequences if their children disrupt classes or even purposely fail the standardized test. So many of them just appear at government meetings complaining about how bad the teachers are with the politicians taking their side because they outnumber the teachers by a wide margin. Parents have all the power and none of the responsibility to their children's education.

[@isabellaflorentina7574]

No praise. EVER. ABOUT ANYTHING. We are constantly beat down and insulted and nitpicked about every little thing. And yet they tell us never to do that to our students.

[@atomictime9410]

@lookout97 I am retired from a prior career and sub these days. It is sad what I experience as a sub and what I hear from primary teachers (6-12, I don't do elementary). One very sad aspect is the handful of students who want to learn but can't because the period is spent addressing behavior issues.

[@Shinde16]

This is a huge problem. America is raising a whole generation of entitled people just because parents can't parent.....

[@ronfriedman8740]

You have no idea how big. As a CTAE teacher with a Masters in Workforce Education, we are graduating a generation of functional illiterates - kids are socially promoted starting in elementary school and it continues throughout secondary school. As a result, very few possess the skills required by business and industry. In addition to lacking basic math and language acquisition skills, these students also lack soft skills, a strong work ethic, coping skills and the ability to think critically. Truly a shame!

[@lesliem7919]

Yes 🙌 the future looks very frightening with the way things are going!

[@abuseevidenceresighted9071]

The kids are messed up because they're raised by messed up adults. Ppl have been messed up for years now. It's a messed up culture. This is the result of raising kids in modern day Sodom and Gomorrah. It's like Greeko/Roman culture. Many teachers quit cause the parents and the pedophilic philosophies they have to push as well.

[@LMLification]

After teaching overseas as well, I can attest to this being a global phenomenon.

[@MsL.Ringmaier]

This is happening around the globe. I was a teacher for over 20 years in my country (not the US) until I couldn't take being the butt of the joke. Only God knows how these generations will turn out to be.

[@richardjohnson2965]

My daughter taught in foreign schools…and loved it. Students and parents were extremely respectful, well behaved, and valued education. The administrations supplied to the teachers whatever they needed to succeed. When my daughter walked into the classroom in Taiwan, the students would stand in respect, and not sit until permitted by the teacher. They would often bring small gifts to show their appreciation of the teacher, and many parents would send small gifts as well. Once in a while, several students would show up at her apartment door, and ask if she would spend another hour with them. Sometimes she would be invited to dinner at the home of a student, and the parents were so pleased that the teacher would come to their home. Everyone on her apartment complex knew she was a teacher, and accorded her with respect. Then she came back to America to teach…and can’t wait to get out of the profession. Students are loud, profane, disrespectful, sometimes violent, undisciplined, won’t open a book or do their class assignments, backtalk constantly, won’t shut up, etc. America is losing it’s place in the world because we don’t have the will or courage to discipline our youth.

[@MONEYAINTATHANG100]

BadLuck, I've FORTUNATELY seen this in the states enviably 👁

[@foylebutler8952]

My wife was raised in Taiwan and went to university in America. She became A teacher and quit after 6 years because the students ran the school.

[@jaygold4467]

Single mother kids ala Murphy Brown. It doesn't work.

[@1.jurisha.j]

💯

[@EricStuder89]

Close friend of mine is a teacher in Japan & he says the same. Japanese students, culture, family, etc is far better than hea experienced in MN

[@gladyssolis7815]

Parents need to be accountable for the way they raise their children

[@keciaaskew5166]

I definitely agree

[@AbrahamPalmer-wj5cb]

Exactly

[@derekisazombie39]

And school administrators need to be held accountable whenever they skirt their disciplinary responsibilities on top of that!

[@neonnoir9692]

We know who the problem parents are, they cannot be fixed. We need to stop trying.

[@jeannettesilva4242]

@@neonnoir9692 AND THAT IS WAY YOU SHOULD NOT BE A TEACHER!

[@centristpatriot7945]

Education begins at home with the parents. The parents need to prepare the children to do well in school.

[@joeblowfromidaho3642]

Until 10 or 20 years ago, yes. NOW, they don't WANT parents involved! They don't want to "educate," they want to INDOCTRINATE without parents finding out.

[@jessetippett8886]

It would help if parents backed the teacher and if the school can't discipline it is very important the parents discipline.

[@paulrevere5197]

Same government school system taught them as well...

[@beverlythompson7046]

Schools have turned into babysitting service. So many students are performing below grade levels. Get them out of public schools.

[@muffs55mercury61]

By all means. The problem is in the last 20 years or so states have passed laws telling parents what they can and can't do with disciplining their kids.

[@liteswitvh]

These parents who don't say no to their kids, but challenge the teacher's authority are part of why teachers say, "enough!"

[@cmhughes8057]

Wait until those sort of parents don’t have a place to send their kids for school because there are no teachers teaching.

[@undergrace1808]

They don’t say no because they are to busy, gone are the days when values were a thing. Now we got both parents working and no time to spend with the children they brought into this world. Everyone wants to blame the kids, well look at the kids in her 1950s, did we have these problems? No. It’s because of society.

[@kris78787]

@@undergrace1808 AGREED

[@ashleyc3080]

It’s been going on for far too long smh.

[@strawberryme08]

The parents are so busy working 2 to 4 jobs that they’re not even around enough to say no to their kids

[@kris78787]

No real consequences for bad behaviors is a huge reason why teachers are quitting. Just talking to the misbehaving kids does nothing for 90% of them. Our society has taken real discipline/consequences out of schools and replaced it with just giving pep talks and treats for the kids who are misbehaving. As a teacher I see this firsthand. It's detrimental and scary.

[@vwilliams8196]

And they call it PBIS. They are trying to reform the child and it NEVER works.

[@kittyragdoll22]

Yes, it's a shame. A total shame. Children are being raised by a bunch of selfish "Karens and Kevins" who are spoiled and passed it down to their kids. If this is our future, we are SCREWED! You're also right about there not being real consequences in place. It scares me to know that a college classmate of mine who is a Special Education teacher had a laptop THROWN at her by a student. He only got a daylong suspension from school. I'll betcha he'll do it again! We educators are teaching kids raised by parents who can't parent, and we have to pick up the pieces and the blame, because parents are never wrong, right? 😮

[@kris78787]

@@kittyragdoll22 I also had a student who punched another student in the stomach for NO REASON and he was taken to the office and given coloring sheets to color. And we wonder why there is a teacher shortage...

[@Shannonbarnesdr1]

a big part of the problem too is, we now have people who have mental health and severe emotional/behavior disorders in mainstream schools and classes, when in reality they need to be in a special program, not shoved into regular schools and classes ! food for thought, as we know, so many people think they need to bring back corporal punishment, i disagree, because we have many countries who outlawed that completely: Sweden, Finland, Holland, Cyprus, Denmark, Switzerland, Sweden, and more: they do not use physical punishment, not parents, or teachers; and yet the students/ youth, and adults for that matter are much better behaved than they are as a whole here in the US. over all crime rates and jail / prison population is much much lower, violence and other crime is much lower than it is here. school performance(grades, attendance), is much higher than here. I think we need to research what they are doing to make things more effective . these students as well as adult need more stability, they need positive stimulation and yes they do need t be held accountable. do the research, look it up: yes, these countries and more do not use any corporal punishment and they do not have the problems we are having here.

[@42218102742]

Our prison systems aren't ready for the huge influx of inmates they're gonna get in a few years. We're raising a violent, immoral, and belligerent generation. I'm an older Gen Z and I'm horrified to see the decline of behavior that happened so fast. It's a disgrace.

[@Cygnus75]

I quit teaching 6 years ago, after 20 years. No good pay, we're overworked, humiliated, we're diminished to mere babysitters of brats who are literally little sh*ts supported by equally shitty parents and bosses and schools. I had it, no more teaching, ever. I support you, colleagues. Make your value worth. No more humiliation.

[@emanuelcarmona9930]

I want to teach later down the road but only college and university. Where they want to learn.

[@annaburns2865]

Exactly. Teachers are going to get stressed and make mistakes. But instead of punishing them for everything they do. How about giving them constructive criticism and actually praising them for what they do right. If all you see in a teacher is how they wronged your kid one time, that’s all they will ever be. They might have helped your kids 100 times before that, which no one sees.

[@worldobserver3515]

@@cataliaishere SMH. A teacher told you there was a problem with your kids and wanted to blame the teacher? It is hard to believe that you were an educator. "Teachers need criticism and not endless praise.." What planet are you from? That isn't reality.

[@lollypop2413]

As a teacher I had zero problems with asian student. They were well behaved and worked hard....its the values and home family values

[@BladedBear]

Yeah, it all stems from their home life and if their parents care enough to be on top of their education and correct bad behavior. At my last campus, most of the parents weren't in that category.

[@michaelsix9684]

their parents are disciplined -- their kids live what they learned at home

[@ez-g3090]

Yeah but here in the USA single moms raise crap for kids. Blame modern feminism for like 98% of our problems.

[@Eric-yp9nc]

I was an ESL teacher in So. Korea in 2002...what a difference!!!

[@robroy8207]

100%

[@SteviePaints]

This mirrors the decline in our entire society. The creation of the nanny state and not being able to discipline children has been a disaster.

[@Babygurl08]

Absolutely! People don't realize schools are a "microsociety". They reflect all of our societal ills.

[@tabletalk33]

This country is falling apart.

[@vladimirofsvalbard9477]

That's what happens when we invoked Reaganomics, NAFTA, and Administrative takeover. All the jobs shipped overseas; debt became extremely cheap (driving up prices) and administrative takeover focused more on quotas than relationships. This has allowed millions of people to indulge in detrimental behaviors, lose well paying jobs, and get burnout from all the ridiculous bureaucracy that is slowing down the business sector. Children and teens are are record levels of illiteracy that we haven't seen for over a century. Single parenthood and parents that pay no attention to their kids are largely the problem.

[@TEWMUCH]

Nobody wants to take care of their kids anymore. They think giving their kids to others is good enough.

[@GorgieClarissa]

it's weird you cry about nanny states.... when the countries who are 'nanny states'' have better healthcare and educational systems. so nice try.

[@nicolet.rainer1605]

Many seasoned and veteran high school teachers in CA hate the job. The goal is no longer to educate curious minds, but to get through the day without a student confrontation. At this point it's just a check. Sad but true.

[@jerrybrickley2115]

There are near zero "good" teachers and zero teachers who earn their pay.

[@rethinkcps2116]

They are riding out the years, waiting for the gold-plated pensions they'll get. Which is seven-figures for a woman who leaves at 55 & lives into her 80s (as many do.)

[@BladedBear]

@@rethinkcps2116 The hilarious part is, if it weren't for those seasoned veterans sticking around, most campuses would be filled w/ uncertified or 1st year teachers who have no pedagogical experience beyond listening to a professor. It can ALWAYS get much worse than it already is.

[@MattTaylor-xx7gs]

A check that will definitely not take you too far especially if you live near the metro areas.

[@rethinkcps2116]

@@MattTaylor-xx7gs - public service checks are COLAed. They keep up with inflation.

[@leepatterson7790]

Discipline was on the decline way before the pandemic…and, many parents will go in and defend their special little flowers, while attacking any teacher that dares to demand any kind of standards…if pop quizzes were given immediately after high school graduations, we would wonder what the point of education is…sad

[@isabellaflorentina7574]

Truth

[@msls6592]

Right! So tired of them blaming the pandemic. It was on the decline way before the pandemic.

[@wrestlerx8494]

​@@msls6592consider that for better or worse, many of the methods of discipline used in the past are no longer acceptable in a modern society and that parents are criticized when their child is undisciplined even in spite of this. It's like saying a parent is not legally allowed to provide effective methods of discipline, then blaming the same parent for their child being undisciplined.

[@davidperry4013]

@@msls6592I’ve been noticing this trend since I was in 3rd grade and that is in 2003

[@marlawharton4090]

I'm a retired teacher. When will we honestly look at the culture? The effect of pop culture on our society? The broken family? The system continues to attend to the behavior problems with programs that promote the very things that cause behavioral problems - self centeredness, self promotion, and the idea that the individual is not accountable nor receives consequences. We've lost our way morally and are trying to repair the problem while continuing with our moral decline and the decline of our society.

[@kris78787]

Yep also tiktok is rotting out society too

[@user-vg1xx3ri6t]

You sound like a fundamentalist go away

[@waterotter3625]

Maybe it's too late. Pandora's Box is wide open.

[@celestial-mq9sc]

You are so right. This culture is failing the kids before they even enter a school.

[@LeniGirly]

I used to be a teacher and I quit teaching to do a job that pays less but I work remotely with no ride Kidd or parents. My flexible schedule allows me to focus on my son and his education. Unless I find maybe a private school that is different I don’t plan on going back.

[@bombaybeach208]

The problem is is that now we're all expected to cater to the lowest common denominator. And awful parenting.

[@dixie0625]

If no child is left behind, that conversely means that no child gets ahead.

[@karlabritfeld7104]

Exactly

[@joeldiaz5857]

Yup.

[@jeannettesilva4242]

@@dixie0625 WELL YOU LEFT KID BEHIND PRIER TO 2001 AND THAY ARE ALL IN PRISON SO HOW IS GOING TO PAY FOR YOUR SOC. AND PENCHIN BECOUSE WE DONT HAVE A TAX BACE!

[@dixie0625]

@@jeannettesilva4242 Pensions and a tax base are strengthened when everyone contributes, not when the wealthy are encouraged to use tax loopholes and given tax breaks. It's also financially beneficial when our leaders actually respond to energencies intelligently and responsibly, rather than having to placate and distract voters with "mea culpa" stimulus checks that add billions to the national debt.

[@Philcoopersworkshop]

I'm in a post secondary education school and have been teaching for nearly 20 years. I can see the change in discipline and primary education changes in my time. Our nation is out of control because of allowing the students to treat the educators any way they want to. Teachers are more like baby sitters these days, and are powerless to actually teach, which is why we got into this job role to begin with.

[@MattTaylor-xx7gs]

Common man, you gotta respect the horribly behaved student first!!! Being sarcastic, gotta deal with the same thing each day.

[@karlabritfeld7104]

It's the parents fault

[@rossmeldrum3346]

My Dad started working in a Jr high in 1955 he said then discipline was a high priority, he retired from working in 1987, he said then the discipline problem was out of control. You can only imagine how much worse it is now.

[@merrywhiterose]

My siblings & I were scared of being bad in school. If we were sent to the Principal's office, we knew we'd be whipped when we got home.

[@Shannonbarnesdr1]

@@merrywhiterose a big part of the problem too is, we now have people who have mental health and severe emotional/behavior disorders in mainstream schools and classes, when in reality they need to be in a special program, not shoved into regular schools and classes ! food for thought, as we know, so many people think they need to bring back corporal punishment, i disagree, because we have many countries who outlawed that completely: Sweden, Finland, Holland, Cyprus, Denmark, Switzerland, Sweden, and more: they do not use physical punishment, not parents, or teachers; and yet the students/ youth, and adults for that matter are much better behaved than they are as a whole here in the US. over all crime rates and jail / prison population is much much lower, violence and other crime is much lower than it is here. school performance(grades, attendance), is much higher than here. I think we need to research what they are doing to make things more effective . these students as well as adult need more stability, they need positive stimulation and yes they do need t be held accountable. do the research, look it up: yes, these countries and more do not use any corporal punishment and they do not have the problems we are having here.

[@westphalianstallion4293]

@@Shannonbarnesdr1 Shannon, your point is valid but should look deeper. The "Inclusion-Idea" never worked, and everyone knew it from the beginning. The main problem is that, are regular Highschool Student would have been a mental health case 20 years ago because of developemental issues. Discipline is just a symptome. And the scandinavian countries are not that much of a rolemodel anymore...and it boils down to culture. Does your culture around you shame you for bad grades and behaviour? Is it your DUTY as a child and student to be the best student you can be? Corporal punishment isnt the best tool, but what is the alternative for people you cant reach with anything else. Lock them up as failed social experiments? The sad truth is, looking at the state of young people and the demands of a future economy, 30% of people wont be able to participate in the workforce in a contributing manner.

[@edwardness7497]

during that time corporal punishment was also phased out of schools... talk to him about that... when you could no longer discipline students with physical correction, was this appropriately substituted with other methods, and how did students respond to this, also the transition period...

[@LA-rc7cw]

Imagine how the kids that are being bullied feel going to school day in and day out with these out of control kids!?! My son described it as being forced to enter prison 5 days a week.

[@Roughfacedgirl]

School to prison pipeline it is designed so kids want to drop out I feel like and it is also the mindset of a lot of the chdren of illegal immigrants that much is obvious no one respects the law and order and yes it starts at home where are all these children coming from see the demographics

[@jupiterstone827]

Yes!! My son loves school. His test scores are out of this world. But his teachers are not protecting him from the bullying, and the physical violence he's experienced. I don't feel safe with him in the school.

[@lovejones4024]

​@@jupiterstone827that's awful, don't keep letting him attend that school. It's not wise

[@MattTaylor-xx7gs]

I would do homeschool

[@lovejones4024]

@@MattTaylor-xx7gs yup and kids can also attend a co-op school during the week for socializing.

[@luannkelly5071]

Its not just pay. It unruly students and parents!

[@debbie9041]

Yes, she missed the mark. I spend my days dealing with behaviors instead of teaching lessons. There’s no accountability and no consequences for students, so the behaviors continue. That’s the problem that wasn't there before like it is now.

[@susaneasterday8164]

I agree. Teacher pay should definitely increase, but the job would still be the same. Parents need to teach their children responsibility, accountability, and respect. What is happening in our education system is not fair to the good kids who want to learn.

[@eatfrenchtoast]

Not just the pay also class size.

[@T.Harry79]

Don’t forget, the law.

[@patriot5526]

One of the big problems here is the lack of parenting. Young kids, especially boys, are full of boundless energy. This has to be controlled by parents, not teachers. There must be boundaries and rules that are enforced. Too often they are not. It is important to think about what kind of adult you want your child to be and work towards that goal.

[@S.M.214]

Your gender bias is showing. Many females are no angels either.

[@jeannettesilva4242]

IT IS CALLED RECESS WE USETO HAVE IT!

[@michaelsparks6084]

We need discipline in our schools and we need fewer administrators and their ridiculous pay scale! Pay the teachers and give them authority to discipline! And get back to reading, writing and rithmatic, The 3 R’s! Oh, and some uncensored History as well!

[@jerrybrickley2115]

Shorthand solution - no more teacher unions. In the private sector, businesses go out of existence with unions. In public sector - services (police, teachers, etc.) get worse and worse, while staffing goes up and up, employees are lazier and lazier.

[@ciaronsmith4995]

SO they can turn out just like you right? Pipe down.

[@RCenal]

We also need discipline at home so it is less of an issue at school

[@RCenal]

​@ciaronsmith4995 it's better than what the current outcome is So yeah

[@knowsyourmom]

@@ciaronsmith4995 You should put down the pipe you mentioned. So what is wrong with a well rounded education?

[@martiphone4884]

It isn't about the pay after some point. I left teaching b/c the whole system is broken and it had nothing to do with the pay and benefits (Gold Star health insurance and top tier pension). The schools did not hold the students responsible for learning and simply blamed the teachers. I had students miss 60, 70 80 days of school (in a 180 day school year), not make up the missed work and then be allowed to sit for the year end exams and it was my fault they didn't pass. I've had freshman/9th graders in my Algebra class that were at a 3rd grade level math ability based on their 8th grade assessment. These students also could not read at even a 6th grade level, so could not read or comprehend what they were reading and could not set up the math problems and that was my fault. No, it's not about the pay after a point, it's about the administration not supporting their teachers and not educating the parents that were constantly complaining. It's about the parents not holding their own children responsible for doing their homework and passing their tests. It's about parents expecting the school system to just pass their kid without knowing anything. The system is broken.

[@zaram131]

Why can’t this system be fixed??? It’s going to take a complete Revolution of the school system! Like completely shut it down and start from scratch!! This is horrifying.

[@Rayray_85]

It doesn’t matter if u shut it down. Any system that u create will fail if the parents maintain the perception that their children shouldn’t b held accountable.

[@cindypayoute4008]

And those schools run by an administration that bullies the teachers get recognition for improving their graduation rates. And who got really hurt? The kids that will be fired from their job because no one taught them better. Very scenic and very sad.

[@jeannettesilva4242]

IF THE KID FAILD LET THEM FAIL SOMETIMES FALLER IS THE BEST TEACHER!

[@charlessantee8329]

These teachers are experiencing a burnout not to mention working in a unsafe environment due to contributing factors (1)violence, (2)misbehaving kids, (3) low salary, (4)undervalued, (5) unappreciated etc.

[@gardenjoy5223]

What I have heard, it seems there are teacher who develop complex PTSD on their jobs!

[@ChristysChannelYall]

I was a school nurse at a high school for a year and a half. I quit due to the awful way the parents interacted with their kids and me. They would threaten to sue me for not treating their sick kid…at the school…and I am a nurse, NURSE, just a plain old RN…not allowed to treat anyone without a doctor order. I was literally there for the kids with chronic ailments whose parents brought in orders from the doctor for their child’s specific needs and also there in case of an emergency. The teacher could send the sick student to me and parent would be contacted to come and get them or 911 called if it was an actual emergency. These nut jobs thought I had a whole pharmacy there and was there to diagnose their kid and give them medicine, ect. When I would explain that I could not do that they would holler at me over the phone, threaten me, and never could they come and get their sick child and take them to an actual doctor. I don’t know how I lasted as long as I did. I feel sorry for teachers. There is ZERO amount of money you could pay me to work in any school for any reason at all ever.

[@karlabritfeld7104]

Argggh!! The parents are the problem.

[@wrestlerx8494]

​@@karlabritfeld7104as a parent of 3, the fact that other parents WOULD NOT COME TO THE SCHOOL to get their sick kid just astounds me!! I almost can't even believe that is true at all, like it must be made up. It both angers and saddens me to know that ANY "parent" would actually do that, let alone yell or get mad at the nurse, and yet I'm hearing that several parents have and continue to do just that. Do these parents have ANY respect or self-discipline at all? It scares me to think that these same people might have a job or family that they tend to, when they care this little about responsibility. It's also making me question if everyone else out in public might be that unwilling to take responsibility in certain situations. I have 3 children and my husband and I are living paycheck to paycheck, but I would never ever behave like that. It just sickens me.

[@Lucienne-zz1sw]

Thanks for your very interesting but highly concerning comment. I question whether the parents were ever given information when their children were enrolled in school regarding the responsibilities of your former role, which were specific and not unlimited? The same principles would apply to teaching and other staff. Unless the head teacher and administration, together with the local/area government enforces these, the problems will just continue. There are some countries where parents are given a contract, detailing expectations on both sides. However, there would always be some parents who would never pay attention. But they couldn't argue that they did not know what the rules were.

[@Lucienne-zz1sw]

I am based in the UK and have female two relatives who work in schools dealing with supporting special needs children. I hear truly horrifying stories. There are very strict rules about giving any first aid to children, which in principle is good, but the implementation is another matter. One of my relatives had to deal with a young child that fell over in the playground, grazed her knee, so cleaned it up and put a plaster/band aid on the knee. The next day the parents came in and met the head teacher and accused my relative of abusing the child, which clearly did not happen and was a complete fabrication, intending to try to get financial compensation. My relative was backed up, but just that one small incident shows how teachers can be abused. There are numerous other problems with parents: sometimes the school has to call the police to deal with parents who are fighting each other while waiting to collect the children. I feel so sorry for those children.

[@kathleenardrey5094]

Read the school's expectations, if they have them. How hard could it be to just know the basics: your child must attend school until a certain age; your child and you are responsible for doing schoolwork, returning notes and permission slips; you and your child are to be respectful of other people on schoolgrounds. Not that hard.@@Lucienne-zz1sw

[@tonjawade9037]

This breaks my heart! This is the reason I left teaching in 2016. Too many students, not being supported by admin, and parents who want you to raise their children. Add to this, the behavior is disgusting, and so is the pay.🙁

[@jeannettesilva4242]

THE PAY IS BECOUSE IT IS BACED ON SINYORTY NOT WHO IS BEST. WE KNOW TEACHER WERE TOUGHT TO TEACH TO THE TEST. THAT IS WHAT IS HAPONING NOW! YOU GET WHAT YOU TOUGHT THERE PERINTS NOW YOU ARE SUFFERING THE CONSSAQINSES!

[@Jason-gt5bz]

Best decision i ever made, leaving the classroom has opened so many doors for me professionally.

[@Jason-gt5bz]

@@RockingItInGrade4 I am currently a case manager helping homeless individuals get housing and employment, as well as other services. Also I am in graduate school now to obtain my MBA

[@tracyclark7560]

you were prepared by teachers, and standardized parenting

[@KenAdams-lt1ld]

What career did you choose?

[@Thomas63r2]

I'm a middle school math teacher in my 60's, I love teaching and helping my students nerd out achieve success in academics. I'm in a new school district this year. I loved my previous rural school, but the pay was simply too low to cover my expenses. My new school is larger and also serves a rural community, but they gave me a substantial raise in pay plus an additional stipend because its hard for them to attract math teachers. The math instruction at my new school had serious issues in the last couple of years, with several teachers quitting part way through the year - mainly over massive student behavioral issues, fights in the classrooms, etc. Most of my 7th grade students test out between the 2nd to 5th grade level, fully half the students failed the state test. I can handle the tough students, but discipline is the least favorite part of my day and it ruins classroom lessons for the students who want to learn. I would say that for every student who who wants to learn, there are five or six students with some combination of hostility towards education, families who do not care, or psychological behavior issues. I call them the Tik-Tok generation. I do not allow cellphones in my classroom, but on their own time many of them are watching inappropriate, nasty, graphic and sexual videos. When they come to school they have those images on their mind and its in their conversations. I want cameras in my classroom, and to allow parents to come to school and watch what their kids are doing in the classroom. I don't want it live streamed for privacy reasons.

[@matthewaddison6956]

I'm having the same issues. I teach a college tech program. Used to love my job and trade. The higher-ups at my institution have started catering tech programs to high schoolers. Of course, it's all about the money. 90% of the students don't actually want to be there. They use it as an excuse to get out of high school for part of the day. This semester has been horrendous. To the point I'm leaving at the end of the semester. Time to move on. Your comment about the "tik-tok generation" is spot on. I'm done with it.

[@thehighllama8101]

I've been subbing in the Central Valley of California for the past 5 years. I was thinking about becoming a teacher and even passed the elementary school teaching exams. However, all the discipline issues made me decide against becoming a teacher. In the lower grades, school districts are now insisting on including special ed and special needs children in the same classroom as normal children. So, I've been in TKs, Kindergartens, as well 1st through 5th grades, that had one or more students that were completely out of control, running around the classroom, throwing things, throwing tantrums, stealing (even eating other students lunches), and hitting other students. In one instance, counselors had to clear the classroom to get a 2nd grader under control. In another instance, a 1st grader pooped his pants and then threw bits of it at another student. Really, some students simply need a special classroom environment where their mental issues can be addressed and where they can have their own special curriculum; putting them in a normal classroom setting does an extreme disservice to them, as well as to the teacher and fellow students. As for the higher grades, especially in middle school, my experience has been like yours. I would say in every class of 25 to 30+ students, maybe 5 or 6 are actually learning anything. For the rest, they simply don't care. They have no attention span except for gossip, video games, and TikTok videos. They know the teachers will pass them, that the administrators will go easy on them (especially if the teacher is a sub), and that their parents either don't care or will side with them against the teacher. And as for cellphone use, in many schools, especially high schools, the administrators have basically given up on doing anything serious about it, when they actually need to implement consistent, zero tolerance enforcement.

[@reynoldsje]

If you were to take pay out of the matter. Would you still want to be a teacher?

[@Thomas63r2]

@@reynoldsje If pay was not an issue I would have been very happy to stay at my previous middle school. As it was I needed income from a second job - which means that less of my focus was on my students. I feel confident that I am winning students and parents in my new school - but it is a slow process. I have had many staff and administrators visit my classroom and they are happy to have a genuine math teacher who holds students accountable for their work and behavior. It is hard work to lift up low academic achievement - but next year I will no longer be the new guy and the incoming students will already know that I have no fear of giving low grades and failing students. The result of my standards is that now students come to my class before school starts in the morning, and come after school for math assistance.

[@kathleenardrey5094]

Wow. Thank you. Some days when teaching (and later guest-teaching) I thought maybe I was having nightmares; that no one would believe me when I repeated actions of students, and I must be the one causing a boy to pull down his pants to show genitals, that girls would throw a chair at another person, that a child would stand up and throw a book across the room.@@thehighllama8101

[@sloth9669]

Funny my sons private school costs 1/3 of public. Didn’t close during Covid and don’t have staffing issues. Maybe we need to instill some structure, dress codes, and discipline in all schools.

[@AuroraColoradoUSA]

"Marriage is the most important institution to civilize young people" (Ann Coulter). Notice how often our leaders talk about "family" and never mention "MARRIAGE". Everything else is a Band-Aid on a festering wound.

[@MW-gm7cq]

Not just in schools……Congress, too.

[@stevesmith7529]

You know you Maga clowns can post anything you want. But only an idiot would believe a REAL private school would cost 1/3 of a public school ( which by the way would have NO tuition)

[@Zheshi14]

Most private schools pay teachers hardly anything

[@MM-km5zf]

We homeschooled and then sent our kids to private school, and dont regret it ...school dress code and high behavior and academic standards.

[@AJW3B4L]

They don't get any consequences. It is ridiculous. Parents don't care. School is a graded daycare.

[@johnnyboyvan]

Just retired after 32 years of high school teaching. A disaster now because there is so little respect and no more consequences for practically anything! No zeroes...

[@NS-vu5nt]

I've got 4 years to go before I retire after 30 years. This year is turning into my worst one yet. The kids and parents are horrific and now I'm questioning whether I can make it that long. I'm literally checking off the weeks and giving myself little rewards for making it through another one.

[@johnnyboyvan]

@@NS-vu5nt You will make it and then be free . ✨️

[@edubwalter3179]

God bless you! As far as I am concerned anyone who can teach high school for 32 years is an absolute beast! This is year 26 for me. I have 4 more to go! Enjoy your retirement..you deserve it!!!

[@gregvose4281]

We NEED 87,000 treachers not IRS agents

[@Garland-nx4yz]

Speaking out against the IRS is reason for audit lol

[@atomictime9410]

A a few thousand prison guards

[@Aninebula]

Prison reform @@atomictime9410

[@BetsyRoss2U]

Not if the teachers are as crappy as what we already have.

[@linhaton4957]

Floridas veteran teachers need raises.

[@topout26]

My daughter in law lasted one year as a teacher, she said the kids are horrible. She now promotes homeschooling and is changing careers. She taught high school and the kids have the mental capacity of 5th graders. The dumbing down of kids it real people homeschool your kids.

[@kristenturner1222]

Which career is she now pursuing?

[@atticussfinch9001]

The dumbing down of kids ___ it real people ___ homeschool your kids. 🤣 Is she serious? Nice run-on. Missing her contraction. This dumby giving advice about education! Just retired as a public high school English teacher. Forget it. Hopeless situation.

[@mikeporter7939]

Students are not held accountable.

[@blossom30x4]

Agreed and the parents also need to be held accountable.

[@autobotdiva9268]

nor is the lessons being taught

[@lindaostrom570]

its administration that always is at the root. they stage the environment.

[@brybryguy6314]

Parents are not being held accountable.

[@Ma1nguy]

NO!!!! It's the lousy parents who don't establish boundaries early in life. You have too many single parents usually mothers on welfare with multiple children from failed relationships. Principals should be strong no nonsense men with a flair for maintaining discipline.

[@Bunbunfunfun]

Have parents teach their kids at home for the lockdown period , this speaks volumes . Majority of parents today are not parenting. It’s pathetic.

[@KateSmith-h2f]

Respect is a two-way street. And teachers are openly speaking about doing the bare minimum just to get a cheque, whilst calling kids names, all viewable online by students and parents alike. So why would you expect respect when you have no intention to extended it. You’re right, it is pathetic.

[@NaturalCupcake]

​@user-no9xy3xy8l This is the minority of cases as someone who's worked in education.

[@KateSmith-h2f]

@NaturalBrownCupcake I’m also in education. Well, was. I’ve taught at a well known Canadian university for almost a decade, that would be how I know what’s happening to these kids. It’s so bad and the teachers are so out-of-control that I’ve quit my job and we’re homeschooling him whilst we find a more suitable educational institution. Private really is the way to go.

[@NaturalCupcake]

@@KateSmith-h2f Ok. Our experiences and demographics are different. You're in Canada and I'm in New England, USA. Of the teachers/ colleagues I've had, I'd say 8 to 9 out of 10 come to school for the kids and love teaching. Then I saw the minority where they were jaded or never committed but just show up. Still, I like to defend my colleagues because it's not an easy job, but we mostly come to give it our all and take a lot of criticism. Still, I in no means am trying to invalidate your experience. I'm sorry that your experience is different.

[@otter-pro]

While I'm not a school teacher, I once taught at private school for middle and high school students for computer science and also currently volunteer as Sunday School teacher at church as well, and I noticed the trend of undisciplined children especially with current generation of kids. Even 5 years ago, most kids were mostly well behaved. Now, I fear facing kids, even at a church, because kids are just wild and uncontrolled, and kids are yelling and screaming, jumping and running around in the middle of class. A few days ago, even when one of the parents came into talk to her child who was misbehaving, the kid didn't even listen. If child doesn't listen to his parents, they're not going to listen to teachers.

[@markelmore66]

I am a special education teacher. I am part of the problem. Yes, I am under compulsion by the powers that be to pass kids along. I have addictions like food, clothing, shelter, a wife and kids I must support. I have soul strangling mountains of paperwork, documentation, ARD preps and close to 30 students on my caseload which is twice the norm. I apologize for there only being 24 hours in a day and I can’t get it done… my job is dictated by politicians and lawyers so I get no input. I am the professional and yet not a professional. When kids act out it is MY fault I can’t control them. Even though their parents can’t either I am supposed to be the miracle worker and fail miserably. In all seriousness, I love my students and someone once said “Teaching is like a bad marriage - you stay in it for the kids”. I apologize for not being Superman. I am the problem…

[@mikathehusky3415]

You’re doing an amazing job. This job used to be valued because of the appreciation. This country just doesn’t value the people who are supposed to care.

[@cynthiasimmons8322]

You ARE NOT the problem 😢

[@GorgieClarissa]

it's weird you have listed needs as... addictions.

[@markelmore66]

@@GorgieClarissa it’s hyperbole, satirical.

[@jeannettesilva4242]

YES AND IF WE DONT FIX IT THE KID IN SPED WILL PAY THE PRICE JUST LIKE I DID SO TEACHER AND PERINT NEED TO STOP FIGHTING OND FIX IT. THAT MEENS THERE ARE GOING TO BE KIDS HELLED BACK. THE MONEY NEEDS TO BE ACCOUNTED FOR. WE ALL NEED TO KNOW THE KIS ARE THE PRODUCK OF THE SCHOOL NOT THE SOORS ON THE MONEY!

[@3joewj]

In the 1980s as a kid, I remember in elementary school every kid sitting at their desk with their hands folded waiting for the teacher to start class. Very quiet in the classroom. The teacher would hand out 10 to 12 worksheets, and each had instructions on them. You had to read each one and understand what to do. If you then had a question-- you raised your hand. I remember some kids raising their hand for 15 minutes straight before the teacher stopped by...no one spoke unless the teacher spoke to them. Every kid was dressed really well too...and we were respectful to our teachers. I loved the 80s🇺🇸-- on the bus ride home I remember hearing songs on the bus radio like " drive" from the cars...it was just so chill. The best version of America, in my opinion.

[@buildertrash4102]

It was like that here in Britain too. I loved growing up in the 70/80’s. Shows you much we’ve lost. It’s real sad.😔

[@3joewj]

@buildertrash4102 My theory on the way kids behave...is...parents don't smack them anymore. One major reason I was a good kid...is because my mom smacked me with a paddle if I was bad.... #1 it hurt. #2 it was embarrassing. After a while, you realized you deserved it and then changed your behavior.

[@davidsonowski414]

Yeah especially in assembly where you had to where a white shirt and blue plants and a red or blue tie and if you were caught talking well it was the principals office

[@Cmoredebris]

School in the '50s was great also.

[@christinecrow4251]

I remember one of the biggest fears other than your parents getting called was being sent to the office. Now when a teacher sends a student to the office even for something serious like throwing a chair at another student, the child returns 15 minutes later with a sucker. THe call to the parent often ends with the parent screaming at the teacher and blaming the teacher. In the 1980's, if a child failed, the parents blamed the child and asked the teacher what can we do to help our child succeed. Nowadays the parents blame the teacher and ask her what she is going to do so insure the child passes. Something has fundamentally shifted in schools. This rage focusing on the teacher's unions does not address that there has been a huge societal shift that is now playing out in out schools.

[@Makise3]

Literally everything in America is falling apart now. This country won’t last much longer if it continues to go in this current direction.

[@gailcarey3597]

I came out of retirement in 2019. I left before the end of the semester. I had no support from the administrators. The student’s behavior had greatly degraded in ten years time. Home school. It’s easy. You can complete the curriculum in three hours and use everyday activities as a lesson. Grocery shopping for math and science is one example. There are support groups in every community.

[@Jennifer-nz2ss]

This goes for bus drivers too. No respect or any support from your district. No raises or help with the kids. The kids/parents run the district with no rules or consequences. You see the aftermath on TV right now around the world! The youth of our times have finally been told "no"!! From the real society.

[@lisalister8002]

In my classroom, I had a student kick me which caused me to send him to the principal's office. He was there for a total of 10 minutes, returned with a sticker on his shirt and was allowed to return to the classroom. Then it would all start over again! Nothing would change by sending him to the principal's office.

[@jessicamessica2271]

I didn't get kicked it wasn't that bad but I had a similar situation with an out of control student. The principal played a game with him and sent him back to class

[@lorihill9129]

The pay doesn’t bother me as much as administration blaming teachers for the behavior of the kids.

[@mommyandliamshow9546]

Back when I was in school cell phones were first coming out so no one had one out in class at all. I feel like social media and smart phones are a root of this problem

[@jjc6530]

Cell phones can be helpful to support learning if used in the right way. using the internet on the phone to look up explanations and examples on how to math problems. But most often it’s not used in the way to support learning but as a distraction.

[@Belluser-we1uc5cb2l]

It's the parents responsibility to make sure their kids go to school. I believe it's the law that needs to be enforced. Parents are responsible not tbe schools or the teachers! Why don't we call it what it is, BAD parenting.

[@ez-g3090]

Yeah, thanks to modern feminism our society is falling apart. Children don't even have a father anymore to help raise them.

[@redflamearrow7113]

You're absolutely right. Parents don't want to be responsible for anything negative that happens in their lives and this is reinforced in the children. Parents take no responsibility for how their children, or they themselves, act. Lack of consequences for bad behavior is literally ruining our children and our country as a whole.

[@CookieCoCo_OG]

I used to be a high school history teacher and it is ashamed how teachers, students and education are under valued. Please do better educating our future leaders.

[@mtx1942]

Out of control and absolutely no support from administration

[@louisdupuy2090]

Most administrations don't allow teachers to fail students, even if the student puts forth no effort at all. This means that students are being pushed from grade to grade with no meaningful level of education at all. You are left with high school graduates who can't even read the diploma that is handed to them. This is not what the teachers want, but their hands are tied. Each year teachers are taking in a large percentage of students that didn't meet the requirements of the previous grade. This problem comes from the top.

[@christinecrow4251]

There are so many people on her blaming the teachers and teacher's union. THey don't realize that for the most part teachers' hands are tied by the administration of their school and district. Teachers do not want to automatically pass students who have done know work. They don't want that child who demolished their classroom to be returned to their classroom 15 minutes later with a sucker.

[@pjthunder]

Two words: social media... social media is silently the root cause of a lot of society's issues most especially with the young people today or if not the root cause, it ENHANCES the issues society has: behavioral issues, mental health, suicide, homicides, physical assaults, lack of discipline, lack of focus, materialism, drugs, disrespect, anger issues, laziness, addictions... Social media is more of a detriment to this world, than any good it could ever do.

[@iwuvpiesgaming9164]

When I was in school my teacher used to thank me for being quiet and actually doing the work. I even got bullied for doing my work in class and called a nerd and many other things 🤦🏾‍♀️

[@gardenjoy5223]

Sure hope you have a nice life with all the amenities that go with that. And your bullies are flipping burgers.

[@JojoR1963]

There has been a big change in children’s behavior since I started working in education 17 years ago. Behavior has gotten much worse since Covid. I work in a middle school in Illinois and I’ve seen the changes. Veteran teachers are retiring early or just leaving the profession all together. Since Covid we have a severe shortage of subs. Teachers have to sub on their planning periods. This has been going on for three years and they are burned out. The subs aren’t coming back. The largest population of subs were baby boomers and retired teachers. Retired teachers want no part of subbing. The lack of respect from students to staff is awful. Parents blame the schools but it’s the parents fault. It’s their job to raise their children not ours! Our job is to educate their children. When parents raise disrespectful brats it’s hard to educate children like this when they disrupt the classroom. In many cases administrators hands are tied. They need to be expelled and have to do remote learning at home. It will then become the parents problems.

[@TheDoReMiFaSolLaTiDo]

West suburbs? May wood bellwood?

[@lauracanedo1446]

This is so sad. I graduated high school in 2014 and I loved attending school. It helped take my mind off of my difficult home life and I appreciated my teachers not only for teaching me but also being there for me through those difficult years. I’m 28 now and wondering how they are doing. With the way things are now, I can’t imagine teaching. I’m glad I appreciated my education and I’m glad I let them know back then that they were appreciated.

[@richmiller4626]

No discipline in schools & no consequences for criminals in our society equals the downfall of our Country. Under Democrat control, we see nothing but chaos resulting in hard economic & extremely unsafe times.

[@atomictime9410]

You are 100% correct. I see it daily as a sub in Southern California

[@fremontpathfinder8463]

This has been going on a long time not just under Dems

[@bikeracerdude]

Democrat policies have destroyed American culture and that's what we're seeing every day.

[@hottew_twat3963]

@@fremontpathfinder8463 yea but the uptick since Obama didn't help

[@sweetladysutton]

You sound so stupid.

[@Summerdee223]

My daughter will begin her junior year as an elementary education major in 2024. She loves children and is so excited for her career in teaching. I am so concerned for what she will face in the current state of US education.

[@mommyandliamshow9546]

If she stays with the lower grades she should be ok. It’s the upper grades where the kids behavior is horrible

[@sweetpea74127]

​@@mommyandliamshow9546the lower grades can be challenging too.

[@KenAdams-lt1ld]

Tell her to pursue speech pathologist. You make great money and don't have to worry about classroom discipline. She could simply work with small groups daily. It's the way to go and she would have job security. She does not want to be in the classroom. It's horrible.

[@Summerdee223]

@@KenAdams-lt1ld funny, she actually mentioned that she would like to do speech pathology. Is this something she would specialize in after she gets her education degree, or would she need to change her major?

[@KenAdams-lt1ld]

It varies by state so i would talk to a counselor at the college for guidance. Here is mostly the requirements: Complete a state-approved certification preparation program in Speech and Language Pathology at the master’s degree level; Complete a master’s degree level or higher program approved by the American Speech-Language-Hearing Association (ASHA); Hold a valid ASHA Certificate of Clinical Competence (CCC) in Speech and Language Pathology;@@Summerdee223

[@rosieinwonderland8132]

I work with early years and 'tired' is indeed a new kind of tired for educators. Children don't listen any more. They can be violent, they hurt each other and we have to just try to stop them all day. On top of that we try to teach them and care for them and it's 3 different jobs in one! We try to explain in different ways to them to stop hurting others and it's very hard because they don't understand consequences or empathy.

[@gardenjoy5223]

Seems you are a last woman standing! Your service is as important as that of the army defending the country. You are the first defense! I'm real sorry, that you are so tired, but your heroic efforts are greatly appreciated by many normal people. Keep the consequences going and keep teaching them values. The whole system basically falls or stands with you prevailing in this immense task. Because of your teachings all of these kids lives will be better. Some won't become bullies, due to your installing of values. Some won't become victims of bullies as well, since there will be less bullying. You might even prevent a school shooting 10 years from now.

[@mrs.stocky2445]

Myself and four other teach friends have quit and started a homeschool co-op with other parents for our kids and others in our community. We have about 30 students and they are doing outstanding.

[@lindacarter6332]

That's what happens when kids are allowed to run wild.

[@valerieleonard572]

My friend got stabbed with scissors last week. He teaches second grade

[@gardenjoy5223]

Wait... What? That kid still in school? Or on a 3 day out and come back only with the nicest apologies and the threat of out forever Plus child protective services alarmed if anything even comes close to such behavior ever again.

[@sunnysmiles8211]

Meanwhile professional athletes make Millions of dollars playing 12 games a year. We as a society value the wrong contributions.

[@jeannettesilva4242]

YES, PROFESSIONAL ATHLETES GET PAYED A LOT, BUT THAY HAVE TO PRODUSS TO GET PAY IF YOU PRODUST LIKE TEACHERS THAY WOULD NOT HAVA JOB! I DON'T REMEMBE ONE TEACHER GETTING FIRED EXEPT THE ONE THAT WAS SLEEPING WITH A KID!

[@patriciakeever7227]

We need to bring back the paddle. When my teacher pulled out her paddle we all fell in line. Only recall her using it one time. Now I look back, she was the best teacher I ever had.

[@KenAdams-lt1ld]

They can't because people will sue. It's too much of a liability. I wish they would bring it back and some states still can paddle, but it never happens out of fear of lawsuits. My dad used to paddle me and it worked wonders: I respect my elders, never have done illegal drugs, never been arrested, etc...but who knew that discipline works?

[@SABOARITI]

I am so glad I am not teaching now. I have been retired for 28 years and am shocked at the changes that have happened.

[@seekingtruth3054]

Many people do not realize that home school does not mean the parent has to be the teacher. There are homeschool online services the parent can set up (and monitor) to allow children to attend via computer. Some services are free. My son and daughter-in-law pay about $1200 per school year for a service that they are very happy with.

[@hanshansen3885]

$1200 divided by 36 school weeks is just over $33 per week. Only feasible to do online with your child watching the computer screen all day long.

[@seekingtruth3054]

@@hanshansen3885 It is my understanding that my granddaughter is online about 4 hours per day. I believe there have also been books provided to work out of. Extra online support time is provided if needed. Also she recently received some credit for vacation time to a national Aquarium and Zoo (as many other schools do, with documentation and a written report). Like I mentioned there are free options available. I think some homeschool options are actually provided by public schools. If someone needs more info they can simply search for "free online homeschool programs".

[@sburris65]

Exactly. My niece does that. Due to her disability it is actually paid for by insurance. But even if they had to pay for it, it is inexpensive. It's less than $100 a month. 4:23

[@Rayray_85]

All programs are not the same, so u have to b careful of these services. As a teacher we have had many students who re-entered the school system very behind bc they were just given busy work, made all A’s in terms of grades, but never truly learned. I also facilitated some of these online classes. It seemed to work well for Gifted and AP kids that were juniors and seniors. It didn’t not work well at all for the 9th grade class I facilitated. They did the work but before a test, they would ask me to take them to my classroom and teach them the curriculum bc although they aced the work, they had not truly learned the material

[@jeannettesilva4242]

NOT ALL KID CAN DO SCHOOL ON A COMPUTER! REMOT LERNING WAS A NIGHT MIER FOR MY LITTLE ONE BCOUSE SHE IS SPESHOLNEEDS! IF SHE WAS GOOD WITH SCHOOL ONLINE, SHE WOULD NOT BE IN SCHOOL!

[@mikehaws3187]

2 jobs no one wants. 1. Police officer. 2. Classroom teacher.. Guess why america????? We digress

[@taraking6472]

It’s even worse for the substitute teachers. They are basically like the step parent of the classroom.

[@Jedi12789]

@@taraking6472and if you go to most schools throughout a normal week probably 30-50% of the staff is substitute teachers.

[@whomeye2168]

Yep! I was gonna Fast Track a teaching certificate to teach at the high school level. But then... I noticed how awful kids in the area behaved. I talked to a couple teachers who just rolled their eyes and told me about why they were considering resignation after 10+ years. I was appalled and abandoned the idea altogether. Kids are content being stupid and behaviorally incompetent. I don't care if they don't care. They are dumb because they won't put in the work. Teachers can't do nothing if kids won't try.

[@rhondabryant6873]

As a teacher, even with only a bachelor degree, the problem is not the pay. The problem is there are no negative consequences for bad behavior. In fact, both kids and parents know if they behave badly enough they will actually get rewarded. Even my Asst. Principal, who is regularly cussed out and threatened and never bats an eye or gives in, is dealing with a parent of a girl who I sent to Time Out (Time, Out! … for two minutes tops!) AP asked me -in tears - to please apologize to this student because if the AP has to have a face-to-face with the girl’s mother she won’t sleep for a week. THIS is what no amount of pay will fix.

[@RP-vy8st]

I'm an elementary school teacher as well, and see the exact same nonsense at my school. One of the parents got so offended because I told him (in a polite way) that his son was kicking the walls in my classroom and coloring on it with crayons. The dad went straight to the principal and complained about it and said he doesn't want to hear anything more about his son's behavior at school! Now the kid gets snacks and coloring sheets at the office when he misbehaves. I'm so done with this nonsense.

[@Toffymustang]

No consequences for bad behavior.

[@michaelrains2268]

My children are grown, If I had school-age children now, they would be home schooled and not take one step inside a government school.

[@Rayray_85]

We’re u, ur dad, ur grandpa, and ur great grandpa all raised in the government school?

[@charliebrown5611]

Shame on the school board and the principal.

[@AmeliaHuckleberry]

Ten million dollars a month wouldn't be enough for me to take a job in some of today's public schools. The trauma and danger is unreal. And now you can't even suspend the worst offending students, at least in California.

[@LeaFromLA]

I’m a behavioral specialist at a public school and we are literally being trained to deescalate student behaviors by giving the students what they want and negotiating with extra disruptive kids. It’s ridiculous and makes no sense. We’re raising future convicts.

[@TriforceOfTheGods80]

Maybe that's what they want, jails/prisons are profitable.

[@neonnoir9692]

I was an absentee student. Missed 80 days out of 180-day school year. Graduated with high honors. Why? Because my Mom taught me how to think.

[@kellyprobst3533]

It’s the parents , social media and gangster rap culture .

[@ElaineWood-f2t]

Everyone who is slamming teachers here, I urge you to take a day and go to your local school and observe. The students are often out of control because they know that they will have no consequences. Parents don't support teachers when students are discipline problems in class. When test scores are low, the administration blame the teachers. When will the parents and the students be given some of the responsibility for what's going on in our public schools? I spent 7 years as a teaching assistant, and I have witnessed firsthand what goes on in the classroom.

[@BetsyRoss2U]

Teachers ARE the problem. They sit by as School Union and Dept of Ed eliminate education in favor of ideology. TEACHERS take it upon themselves to monitor families and don’t hesitate to accuse parents of child abuse. TEACHERS are undereducated and underworked. Teachers are part-time employees. Every teacher should be required to pass the SAT in the subject they teach. If we implemented that standard we would lose about 90% of the teachers, AT LEAST. Teachers are overpaid. If I turned out the poor results teachers turn out, I would be out of business. Luckily I turn out a good product so I can afford to send our littles to PRIVATE schools.

[@Osprey23-o8l]

Takes the whole team. If the teacher doesn’t involve the parents nothing happens. Should be on the phone everyday with parents of disruptive kids. Then support teachers when they have to send the kid home or give them the strap. Wow yes remember those days? There were no disruptions.

[@BetsyRoss2U]

@@Osprey23-o8l When kids are disciplined by parents the teachers accuse them of child abuse. In Colorado teachers are being told to keep kid’s emotional and mental issues secret from the parents, because in the “school’s” opinion, parents are abusers. Teachers go happily along with this. Teachers implement everything the unions tell them to. PUBLIC school teachers ARE the worst society has to offer. Willing abusers.

[@stuckgrenadepin.225]

Teachers join unions. Unions and school boards are made up of mainly liberals. Liberals are anti-discipline, anti-parents, anti-religion, pro-degeneracy, pro-marxism, pro-pushing their political beliefs onto the students. I have zero sympathy for someone that is the professional equivalent of a drunk that pisses the bed then blames the bartender for letting them get so drunk.

[@Rico-oy3dc]

If you are NEA or AFT then go away.

[@jenncampbell277]

I taught for 7 years with no raise. At intro pay. With inflation I was actually getting poorer every year. I quit teaching because of pay and complete disrespect from parents, administrators, and students. It ruined my mental health to the point I was having to seek medical help. Almost every teacher in my school was taking antidepressants and Valium or Xanax. I also had to work a second job being a wife and new mother. I was literally throwing up before school because I had to go back into such a toxic environment.It’s just not worth it. I quit and I’m 100% happier in my life.

[@Rayray_85]

Same here. I don’t think anyone can truly understand unless they have lived it

[@nildabridgeman8104]

I'm so sorry for you

[@isabellaflorentina7574]

I can totally relate to this. I wake up in the middle of the night with panic attacks about going to school the next day. Sometimes I will get up and get dressed and the anxiety is so bad I will get literally sick to my stomach and have to call in sick. Today was one of those days. Set my alarm, got up at 4 am, got ready to go, and was having such a bad panic attack that I had to take the day off. My caseload is 185 students, and not motivated well behaving students. I am well educated, have multiple certifications, have been teaching for over 20 years, am caring and kind, and yet the students treat me so horribly and are so downright hateful that my mental health is declining. I had to go on anxiety medicine just to be able to go to work. No one would understand except another high school teacher. 185 students is too many with the behavior issues of today!

[@gardenjoy5223]

@@isabellaflorentina7574 Get out of there! No one is worth that! Find an alternative, any alternative. You will be developing auto-immune illness next, or heart disease. Save yourself from Complex PTSD.

[@BennieCarter-r8e]

I'm a middle school science teacher. Thirty-eight years in the lab and classroom and this is my last year teaching. Please, please, please prohibit students from having phones in the classroom. Everything went south when students began carrying them.

[@jeannettesilva4242]

WAY? BECOUSE WE CAN SEE WHAT TEACHERS ARE DOING NOW!

[@Dstar5me]

@@jeannettesilva4242 It is imperative that you limit your phone usage, as it appears to negatively impact your spelling and sentence construction. Furthermore, I would recommend that you consider enrolling in additional writing courses. Your current skill level underscores the challenges and pressing needs within the teaching profession.

[@jeannettesilva4242]

NO THAT IS CALLED DYSLESYA AND BAD TEACHER AND A BADE TEACHING PLAN IT IS THE SAME RESON KID CAN'T READ TO DAY GO LOOK HOW THAY CHANGED TEACHING IN THE 70 PRIER TO YOU BECOMING A TEACHER! OVERPAY FOR PECE OF CRAP!

[@jeannettesilva4242]

TOO LATE! WE NOW ATHER PERINT KNOW WHAT I HAVE KNOW SENC I WAS IN 4TH GRAD!

[@jeannettesilva4242]

@@Dstar5me I DID NOT HAVE A CELL PHON TILL I WAS 29 THE BAD SPELLING CAME FROM BAD TEACHER LIKE YOU I HAVE TO USE A DICINER BECOUSE OF YOU BASTERS!

[@AHealedPerspective]

I remember back in 2007 2008 there was a woman who ran the Washington DC school system who thought it would be a good idea to get rid of veteran teachers. The philosophy was that veteran teachers were out of touch and unprofessional, therefore younger teachers with new ideas were better. Remember “Waiting for Superman”? This is what happened and many of my friends lost their careers. in addition, school mental health workers were laid off and fired because they weren’t seen as worthy during those days. Because of this, I resigned from my mental health job due to constant bullying and threats of job loss. That type of philosophy and action is why we are where we are today. Many education systems in other states were doing this. Because educators were not valued during a pivotal time in history, we do not have what we need today to manage this post pandemic crisis.

[@Lava1964]

I quit after a month of being a substitute teacher. That was in 1997. I've been a private tutor ever since. I still have my sanity. I'm not sure that would be the case if i had stayed in the educational system.

[@t.terrell7037]

Is it full time work?

[@kimberlyturner820]

Nothing worse than unruly kids.

[@ronjohnson9641]

No discipline at home, too few 2 parent homes.

[@karek4635]

Daycare should be a *last resort*, not pushed onto every family. Schools are filled with kids with severe attachment disorders, and parents who dont know their own children.

[@gardenjoy5223]

Oh, that's sad! How society at large failed these children. An attachment disorder is a life sentence. They will never (fully) recover.

[@jamesdeagle]

Your point about 'behavioral issues' and that teachers are 'tired' is very real! James

[@abbyc.4215]

I'm a foreign language teacher and sent an e-mail to all of my administrators recommending for around 10 or so of my native Spanish-speaking students to be moved to my Heritage course around the 2nd week of school. Beginner Spanish was far too easy for them and they goofed off the entire time since they already knew the content although they weren't doing any of the work. Finally, a week before the end of the quarter (7 weeks after my e-mail), my administrators "transferred" those students who all had Fs into my Heritage class. The catch is that the transfer process wipes away all of their scores and I was told that I was not allowed to give them anything lower than a C even though they were on multiple failure lists that I'd documented. They also pulled the same trick with other teachers as well. Changing their schedules one week before the quarter ends when it would have made 100% more sense to do so for quarter 2 is so obvious. It's quite pathetic! I am currently reading and planning over this fall break because I'm going to work them so much that they won't have any time to play their games (far less at least). I totally understand why so many teachers are quitting and when my time comes around, Lord willing, I will be taking my 401k/ pension and will be heading straight back to Spain.

[@Dallas3212]

Omgg lucky you you're almost at retirement stage!? You from Madrid?

[@TheDaisycakesandSnowmanShow]

Yes, why does this happen? There must be a reason. Backlog?

[@abbyc.4215]

@@Dallas3212 Lol! No and no! I am only in my 7th year of teaching public high school and am far from retirement age unfortunately. And I only studied in Madrid, but am from the States (US). Taking my pension and 401k out early is more of a backup plan for me.

[@Dallas3212]

@@abbyc.4215Wow! Best of luck to you! You must have the patience of Job (from the Bible). I am in my 2nd year and it's a daily fight to not quit. I be taking mental health days like every week. I probably don't even have any more PTO left at this rate! I'm burnt all the way out!

[@joannebeauchamp1169]

Funny she should mention the lack of Substitute Teachers…They are disrespected even MORE than regular teachers, if you can imagine! 👎🏽👎🏽👎🏽👎🏽👎🏽👎🏽

[@ginger6582]

I personally know one teacher that quit and I know another teacher that wants to quit. She was trying to hold out for retirement but doesn't think that will happen.

[@deborahsimpson2732]

Students' bad behavior has been in the classrooms for about twenty years. That's why we homeschooled; well, one of the reasons. Our now adult children are grateful.

[@Non-religiou]

Why arent they looking into the parents and holding them accountable? Seriously people need to speak out about it, the problem always starts at home. This does not have to happen

[@rpstephans]

Educational leadership in this country is afraid to challenge the parents. Student conduct is the elephant in the room that no one wishes to address. The parents are the tax payers and essentially pay the salaries of those in leadership so nobody wants to offend them. They have the power to threaten lawsuits and affect people's careers. However, somebody with authority has to be willing to sacrifice themselves by calling out the parents of our society for simply not doing their jobs. Parents aren't spending time with their kids anymore and are doing so much damage by giving their kids smart phones without any restrictions. At the end of the day, every parent needs to take accountability for the outcome of their children but it's easier to blame the public schools, social media companies or anyone else. No wonder nobody wants to teach.

[@pamelahalfelder1141]

Teachers and bus drivers have had enough of these out of control kids that no one in the school system or at home that will discipline the kid's behavior on any level. Kids need structure, they need to know their behavior is unexceptable in all situations. We need the parents back up and the school administrators to back up these people on the job so kids can be transported SAFETLY and while in class can actually LEARN whats being taught without the disruption of a hand full of spankies wrecking the entire class or making riding the bus home from school a ride from hell. These kids should not be in charge of the situation but it seems no one has a back bone to tell them NO. Even the safety officers in schools just walk by knowing nothing will be done. Its disgusting and no ones doing these kids any favors by not calling them out for bad behavior. If your not in class to learn go home. If you cant behave on a 20 min ride home on a bus get another ride or walk home. Start doing those things and most will change their behavior.

[@Rayray_85]

Most of us in the school system has gotten reprimanded from parents for correcting their angels. We had two teachers who always took care of behavior. They got ran off by whining parents. “Those teachers r picking on my kid” well ma’am ur kid is absolutely horrible

[@hellodolly9879]

This teacher did not really articulate the discipline problems, the problems dealing with administrators, students’ lack of respect, parents not taking responsibility for their children’s learning, etc. The pay isn’t bad considering we only work 9 months out of the year. We get health insurance and pensions. The problem is society in general!

[@Preservestlandry]

The pay is bad because you're getting paid per job, not per hour. It doesn't matter how long the job takes.

[@meggrotte4760]

They work all year. Most teachers are grading after class. Not to mention they have to teach summer. They don't get much time off and when they do they're creating curriculum as well. Ever friend who's been a special education teacher for twenty years I was a teacher in taiwan for twenty years. I was a teacher and Taiwan for 20 years. And pretty much did the same thing.

[@maritamuras8978]

What about all the summer professional development we have to attend? Sometimes it comes out of our own pocket. Not to mention, by the time we pack up our classroom it’s nearly June. We are expected to come back no later than August, so it’s really 10 months. Plus, we have to work on weekends sometimes, especially if we are new to our career, grade, or curriculum.

[@jonathanburmeister1946]

Maybe the possibility of being sued by some angry parents for daring to say that their precious little urchins aren't perfect has cooled the urge to say the truth.

[@kathleenardrey5094]

If you took each hour that most diligent teachers spend on school work during the school year, we would be working full-time every week of the year. The lesson plans, the preps, the lost lunches and "planning periods", the volunteer work ( demanded), the parents showing up after school, the always grading every day and week-end, the emails from parents and students-on and on. Who works only "nine months a years"? Last day of school is often mid-June, and resumes with meetings before Labor Day. That is not 90 days off. (And going to summer college.)

[@21truthbetold]

The parents don’t help! We have a kindergartener who tears the room apart and his mom doesn’t want to come into the classroom to help- even though she doesn’t work!! Those are the kids that hurt other kids. The parents want to be hands off. We need to go back to having separate schools for the troubled kids- disabled or not- whether it’s majority black or not. The troubled kids are making the classrooms impossible for the other kids and the teachers.

[@mam09d]

Nurses, doctors, other ancillary healthcare professionals feel the same exact way.

[@avramwurf5804]

If public schools would stop it with social promotion, verbal abuse towards special ed students, enforce discipline plus getting those qualified to teach things would improve. As a special ed student I know what it is to be abused in the public school system. Thank the board of ed and those above who only care about having thicker wallets, and could care less about the welfare of children.

[@jillstark3432]

Parents aren’t disciplining kids Parents to blame

[@WilliamMurphy-uv9pm]

Kids belong to the government. Parents are irrelevant now. Kids got the message and would call 911 on their parents if parents stress them.

[@antoniobarreto3960]

Well I have actually known what teachers have to put up with and I can say beyond a shadow of a doubt you cannot pay me enough money to do the job that a teacher is being asked to do 😢

[@christinecrow4251]

That's one of the problems. More and more teachers think the same way. People often forget that every teacher has both a college degree and supervisory experience. They don't have to stay and more and more of them are choosing to leave. This is making the situation so much worse on the teachers who stay. Teacher's are loosing their work period and often having other student's dumped into their already crowded classrooms because there isn't any subs. Class sizes got bigger when positions went unfilled. Admin said everything was fine because they simple divided those classes into other teacher's classrooms.

[@astridgalactic9336]

As a former teacher, I totally agree. I would never go back to that Hellhole I taught in even if they paid me a million dollars a year. My pay was very low and our pensions had been stripped to bottom dollar for anyone hired after 1981. With that said, the money had nothing whatsoever to do with why I eventually quit. My life was literally put on the line every single day I went into those schools. I was yelled at and cussed out every single day by students whom the principals refused to discipline, and the kids knew this full well. Good luck trying to appeal to the parents! Couldn't even reach most of them. The stress and lack of being allowed to go to the bathroom all day would have killed me if I tried to stick it out until retirement. That's assuming one of the kids or neighborhood thugs wouldn't beat my failing health to that end. Also, an extreme lack of sleep for 10 straight months due to the excessive work and extra schooling we were constantly required to take just to keep our jobs. (No, we did not get 3 months off in the summer. Only 2 and they were unpaid.) I was constantly being assaulted and the administrators did not care and always blamed the teachers when we were assaulted. I knew teachers who were pushed down steps, set on fire, had guns pulled on them and even shot, punched in the belly while pregnant, desks thrown at them... on and on. It got worse and worse every single year even though I tried harder and harder and kept putting in more and more of my life into that job. Also got tired of my car being vandalized while parked in the school parking lot. It really annoyed me to no end that this teacher only went on and on about the pay. Some are grossly underpaid while I know of other school districts (not where I taught) that pay very well. You cannot assume that they are consistent across the nation, even within one state. As noted above, even though I was very underpaid, that had nothing to do with why I and many others finally quit. It was either quit or die trying. I chose life and never looked back for a second.

[@buddyjenkins7188]

We had over 30 teachers leave out of 170 in the school this past year. Teachers are looking down the road at retirement and realizing they can not save enough on a teacher's salary.

[@devonnareynolds]

Beyond a lack of consequences, some kids TRULY have unaddressed and untreated mental disorders/conditions. The schools have very little capacity to serve such students well in the public school setting.Taught formally for 2 years and still work in the school system; everything in this video is so true.

[@Rayray_85]

When she said “teacher tired is a whole different ball game” she is correct. I worked through college as an EMT. We worked 24, 48hrs and sometimes be up all day and night. I’ve pulled 32hrs straight working, and that 32hrs still doesn’t hold a candle to teacher tired.

[@josephtingley654]

"Let's talk about test results, they're not great". (They're not even good)

[@gardenjoy5223]

Translation: they are horrid.

[@loveme24now]

The way I see it there's alot of people who don't value education anymore. We're living in a time period where social media is the way to make income. A person doesn't need to know how to read, write, and etc. All you need to know how to do is entertain people by dancing, making weird sounds, and take pictures of your feet. The parents are not at fault if the world shows them what's best for them and their kids. The parents teach these kids what they know. I worked a hard labor job making crumbs, but a person on social media makes way more than me creating a 15mins video, and people pay into it. Make that make sense.

[@StacyJenkins-k1e]

With the huge migrant issue, no one's talking about that additional in education in America.

[@Huddie400]

Did NOT address student behavior as suggested at the beginning of segment. People need to know about student behavior!!

[@mark-pe3bt]

I quit teaching high school history after 16 years in a town because they wanted to offer us a 0% raise and have us teach a extra class for for free, while the superintendent shaffer and top brass voted themselves a 20% raise. HUNDREDS of teachers including myself quit for better paying suburban districts. I work in a wonderful town now with supportive parents and great admins.

[@tayachting6345]

Good for you but...people are working mighty hard to bring Paterson to your new place.

[@mark-pe3bt]

@@tayachting6345 the charters tried and failed because they couldnt compete with the top notch public schools and private ones. The locals are too smart and know the charter's plans to bilk the tax payers and drive up property taxes. My old district they went up 65% in 6 years thanks to charters