Why Teachers Are Paid So Little In The U.S.

[@mysterioustiings9909]

Seeing my 63-year old Civics teacher working at Walmart after school hours and weekends always hurts my heart.

[@stephj9378]

No worries.

[@yesitsme889]

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[@christopherblackhall2832]

She can get a better job lol

[@mysterioustiings9909]

@@christopherblackhall2832 I doubt at 63 she can find a better job. She says she’s retiring next year anyways

[@Pradeep-sr8sz]

@@blippy3511 YESS THANK YOU

[@SAFFY7411]

Education simply isn't a priority, that is why they're paid so little.

[@zeitgeistx5239]

America is literally the Cyberpunk dystopian future. A third world country that pretends it's in the first world. The political class distracts you with China, meanwhile the NSA is breaking the law with global warrantless mass surveillance. Oh yeah China's the police state alright.

[@MasonsTurtle]

Sad but true

[@jasonmartinez9051]

I think a lot of it is a result of our history. When I was a teenager, I ran into several adults who insisted that "life is the best teacher", "you learn on the job" and "the best way to learn is to do it." Growing up, I heard several stories of successful adults who barely graduated with a formal education who worked hard and "made something of themselves."

[@lucasmate1582]

First of all you should know that education and school diferent Things. Capitalism did more good for education than any othrr system in the world. Look to internet, so many books, classes for free in KZbin ans Google and othr Channels e people Just dont use It, why should Others people pay for those who are lazy to search?

[@onengkusumah2905]

Education is a priority, but formal education is not. Teachers only lead you to get some not-so-useful papers at the end of the term...

[@Steamrick]

The short of it: You pay for what you value. Apparently, education doesn't rank high on the priority list.

[@PoringPoring951]

Sad but true.

[@chiquita683]

You pay for value and most teachers hate their job and the people they teach

[@Vim_Tim]

Yes and no. Wealthy parents pay crazy amounts for private tutoring, private schools, and test prep for K-12 children. They’re just not interested in paying for better public education for others’ children.

[@SA2004YG]

Because it's more about higher education than grade school. Universities are already over saturated as is and they don't care about underperforming students

[@ShadowTheNinjaKitty]

@@chiquita683 The teachers I had in public school always liked their jobs it seemed. I went to pretty poorly funded public schools too.

[@paulthompson6553]

I'm a teacher who makes $32,500 a year with a master's degree and 10 years of experience. I will be leaving the profession that I love after this school year because I cannot afford to live on that low of a salary anymore.

[@henryjoshual1848]

leave and do something else. don't waste your potential, you have GREAT value to the world....

[@OFFONE]

That’s insane,

[@Sharpshooter649]

Have you tried cutting back your spending instead?

[@lukewise3244]

At the school system I went to in Ohio, there is a healthy amount of teachers with Masters’ degrees who are making in the $70/80k range. I would say if you’ve gotten out and want to get back in, try to get into a suburban school district. That’s where the money is.

[@pufferfluff]

@@Sharpshooter649so insensitive 🙄😒 do you realize how little 32k is for a working adult?

[@jemontes1]

I brought up this topic to someone & they replied “well, they don’t care about the money. They’re passionate about their job, they do it because they love it. Not for the money” and while that is true, that most teachers go into the education system because they are passionate about it, THEY DO DESERVE BETTER PAY. Teachers are so important!!!!!!

[@mzzzzzzday]

I teach for the money. It is a job. Every job is for the money.

[@wii1199]

I'm a teacher and I care about my paycheck. If it's light then I am not happy. Yes I care about my students, but I am an educated adult with bills to pay and financial goals. People need to stop like teaching is not A JOB.

[@elcuh9976]

not when they are horrible at teaching

[@mzzzzzzday]

@@wii1199 Exactly, I'm passionate about teaching. but at the end of the day, it is a job. and I work for money.

[@ms.bubs4fun506]

Teachers receive a lot of toxic positivity to work hard and receive less.

[@daishaoutar5128]

I'm a teacher, and although we knew this before, this pandemic really showed how little the US values teachers. Economically and as individuals

[@3611-i2v]

The pandemic indeed forced me to want to change career paths after college, not to mention how politicized the profession has become. Trying my luck at applying for alternatives in the city and state civil service in NY.

[@christinaheater2500]

We are seen as babysitters instead of as professionals.

[@charliemilroy6497]

@@3611-i2v It doesn't help when parents are seeing their kids getting fed political propaganda

[@3611-i2v]

@@charliemilroy6497 I agree. Being a conservative I don't support the false and farsighted narratives of Black Lives Matter being force fed upon innocent kids beyond their wills. This isn't racial justice they're pushing, it's black supremacy.

[@Big-Government-Is-The-Problem]

in a study of millionaires teachers were the 3rd most common career that made people become millionaires. maybe you're just not budgeting properly and investing for retirement? you should easily be able to retire with a 2m+ net worth if you started teaching when you were young and started investing asap

[@kaeekelih5484]

One of the things that makes this worse is the fact that many teachers aren’t given enough money to get supplies for their students so they have to use their own money. I vividly remember a teacher nearly in tears when she was talking about how there were no more public pencils for us because people kept taking them

[@ktoth29]

People don't value what they don't earn. Its not the teachers responsibility to buy supplies for the students.

[@CarlosRodriguez-hb3vq]

That’s more true in poorer neighborhoods. In affluent areas, parents clubs launder donations from wealthy parents to supplement the school budget. I’ve seen them haul in hundreds of thousands of dollars in donations that go to buy classroom aides, technology, supplies, etc

[@jackdaniels2657]

It's the same for mechanics nobody buys mechanics tools there's no benefits if u got no experience u pretty much make minimum wage

[@JM-gg8ko]

Private school pays more. Public schools can raise taxes or shift budgets around to accommodate higher pay... From where (healthcare, law enforcement, public housing, road maintenance. ).. is the question.

[@sambotros1918]

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[@daniella3404]

As a parent I agree 100%. Teachers are grossly underpaid and the expectations are unreal.

[@niabelizaire3596]

Right! As a teenager who is a future educator, not only does it baffle me but it boils my blood that teachers are being underpaid compared to lawyers and doctors. Teachers need to be paid more than what’s on paper for the things that they put up with on a daily basis 💯

[@NazriB]

Lies again? Ugly Teachers

[@kevinbru5848]

@@niabelizaire3596 I totally agree with you sentiment, however, doctors and lawyers are income producing professions, where teachers and the average laborers are not. The USA needs to share all taxes in order to fund education, not just property taxes

[@BossItUp911]

"You are paid based on the difficulty of the problem you solve." Babysitting kids teaching them easy grade school topics is NOT a difficult problem. And then they have the most time off of nearly any profession.

[@shadowwolf8496]

@@BossItUp911not exactly because all the good ones work out of school to get lessons ready

[@joshmiller8528]

I was recently at the mall for Christmas shopping with my wife and daughter. I only work 1 job and financially do pretty good. I was disappointed to see 2 of my daughters elementary teachers working at bath and bodyworks because they have to work 2 jobs just to live. They are ELEMENTARY TEACHERS. They work with young children to mold them and teach them and help them and yet we pay them so little they have to work 2 jobs. This is depressing and needs to change immediately. I will start a campaign to raise teachers wages today and make sure they are paid well.

[@1966bluemax]

Ok double the property tax

[@loov7779]

@@1966bluemax or wouldn’t it be better to cut from military spending and give it to education?

[@1966bluemax]

@@loov7779 One man's waste is one man's livelihood. You might think military spending is a waste. what do we do then with military people and employees of military contractors? they will lose their jobs too? so, are we gonna be back to square one? pulling money from somebody else's livelihood to give to someone else's salary increase?? It's more complicated than that.

[@brokkoliomg6103]

I would recommend you to check for other organizations, be it big or small, and how you can help them. Splitting up resources by going on your own makes things just harder for everyone and reduces the paste on which we could go forward by working together with those that already strive for similar ambitions as we do. I wish you all the best in your mission to do so.

[@AbcAbc-sp1od]

@Josh Miller , how's that campaign coming along? lol

[@BobTheBob647]

My high school teacher was literally working minimum wage at a grocery store.

[@vietnamvet4533]

Guess my sons gym teacher just retired with a NY State pension of 85k a year, guess you don't live in NY.

[@socrates_the_great6209]

@@vietnamvet4533 Pension is another subject. 85k is nothing worth in 10 years anyway with 20% inflation a year.

[@nyakosenpai5856]

@@socrates_the_great6209 inflation is 2% a year...

[@THESLlCK]

@@socrates_the_great6209 damn bro you slow

[@fitmotheyap]

@@socrates_the_great6209 85k is a lot depending on country or state Here that's like 20 years of working non stop cus poor country

[@ThatStonerCharm]

To all teachers reading this thank you for never giving up on me I was that one student that appreciated your time and love, you make differences in children’s lives with impacting us with your determination everyday

[@sambotros1918]

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[@edithdlp8045]

All students should be grateful to teachers for the hard work they do.

[@livingminimumwage6359]

@@edithdlp8045 But many aren't, and it has a lot to do with a culture that worships ignorance above education.

[@staralioflundnv]

Thank you, ThatStonerCharm, for your kind comment. Everyday, your teachers and many of us other teachers, are cheering you and our students on, for the duration of our Iifetimes. We carry our student in our hearts forever.

[@jacoblipkestudios7621]

@@livingminimumwage6359 we value ignorance over education huh? Then how come so many things were invented in America? Why are we the only country to have successfully landed men on the moon multiple times? Because America does value education, but teachers are not intelligent people. Most of them literally just follow whatever the Democratic Party believes, and now that the democrats are actually beyond stupid it’s very clear that teachers actually have no critical thinking skills. The bizarre part is that they teach kids how to use critical thinking skills, but they don’t apply that knowledge to politics. They’re so biased that they are unable to use critical thinking skills in relation to politics, and anyone who can’t practice what they preach when it’s that obvious is a total idiot.

[@greatlakes7942]

As a father of 10-year old, I sincerely appreciate and respect what the teachers are doing to my kid: just look the smile on my daughter’s face when she comes home every day

[@Sun-diver]

Wild how you can’t take care of your owns kids? Nothing is stopping you from paying these teachers more.

[@stephanies3862]

Please be sure to let her teacher know how much she is appreciated. It truly does make our day to have parents like you express that 😊

[@NazriBuang-w9v]

Lies again? American Education Grab Courses

[@MR.Drowsy158]

This may be a unpopular opinion, but teachers only work for about half the year, the school year is 180 days, and they are more than aware of the pay range before choosing to get education for that profession.

[@geodefence]

@@MR.Drowsy158however, they also are extremely important to America and kids life’s

[@rasaecnai]

Politicians have no incentives to have educated voters.

[@michaelanderson2881]

You must be a teacher, because any thinking person could not possibly write something so tone deaf. Are you actually saying that government-funded schools are the ONLY places children can go to be educated? Lots of people send their children to private schools; SOME Democrats and MOST Republicans favor vouchers and school choice, which indicates that they are absolutely, positively in favor of having educated voters.

[@marioxmariox]

@@michaelanderson2881 Democrats depend on uneducated young to get votes. As people get more educated as they get older they realize the Democrat lies and vote Republican. Democrats have controlled the school system for around 50 years and it is where they push their stupid critical race theory and push kids to join LGBTQ. One big problem with the school system is the teacher's union that don't care a bit about the kids.

[@rayzala1393]

Yeah that's a bunch of b.s. While I agree with your statement; the politicians definitely do not want educated voters, it's not elementary/high school teachers that teach anything valuable. The curriculum is ultimately decided by politicians and higher ups and school is a waste of time. If I had a time machine I'd go back to me when I was 14 and tell myself to drop out, get a job, and invest. Not go to school and end up in 70-80k debt and live in my parents house like most of my friends. Even if you worked minimum wage from age 14-22 and saved half of your money and invested it in a house/stocks/mutual funds you'd be better off than 90% of student graduates. 0 debt, positive net worth, assets that are appreciating. I'm sure most college educated people (under 40) cant say the same thing.

[@devilhunterred]

​@@marioxmariox It's actually the opposite in realty, look up the facts. Overwhelmingly vast majority of uneducated, older Americans with no secondary education, work in manufacturing, trades, labor or agriculture in rural areas vote for Republicans. George Bush Junior and Trump have both severely cut public education budget. On the contrary, younger, better educated Americans with college degrees vote for Democrats. Look at California, NYC, Washington State, Massachusetts, etc.

[@crescentprincekronos2518]

@@devilhunterred going to school or college is not the same as being "educated" when the curriculum is crap. Smart people don't take out "bad debt".

[@estebanruiz9158]

"Because the government doesn't want a population of critical thinkers" George Carlin.

[@KA-md6je]

100% true. Do you think the ruling class wants the general public to be highly educated?

[@g.williams2047]

True. There's a reason for everything, it's sad that most people in the comments don't see who is dumbing us down.

[@jpb4264]

Teachers teach you to think critically, not these days!

[@jo_verabradleyfan4743]

💯

[@kuvjason7236]

From all I've seen, it's the Republican government that wants Public Education to be underfunded. Everytime the Dems wants to increase Public Education budget, it's those who lean right that has an issue with it

[@avaamcnicol]

i will never forget my 6th grade history teacher. he made learning fun. he played pranks on us, we did plays and engineering projects and i learned so much that year. but the one thing i will always remember is when my friend asked, “mr wilson, why are you a teacher if it makes so little money?” and he responded “ i don’t do it for the money, i do it to help kids learn.”

[@terynb4407]

The real MVP. But honestly I've had so many great teachers over the years, some I would even consider another mother. They are more than just teachers they are unofficial therapist to and a friend when you need it and just a comfort that you find away from home.

[@johncam8420]

Respect to that teacher. But they make a fairly good income tbh. Not "little working poor class" of money.

[@elizabethhenning778]

@@johncam8420 Why should they make "little working poor class" of money? They have at a minimum a college degree and often have a graduate degree and additional certification. They're not paid very much, even with benefits, relative to other people with comparable qualifications.

[@avaamcnicol]

he has two daughters and his wife is a nurse so neither of them make good income

[@avaamcnicol]

the pranks were the best though and that’s why history is my favorite!

[@saras.301]

I was a teacher for 3 years and my salary was around 27K. That's what they paid starting out. I taught HS Math and subed whenever needed during my planning period. I was expected to be at sporting events/games as much as I was able, have lunch duty one week a month and do carline morning and afternoon one week per month, and have help/tutoring class once a week for one hour. So most days I was working from 7am to 4:30 nonstop. All that in addition to checking tests and HW at home in the evenings and weekends, and having to stay even later due to a meeting or making sure I had my planning done for the week when many teachers fell sick and was expected to be subbing everyday.

[@seinfan9]

Dude, your work activities are neither mentally nor physically taxing. You know oil rig workers put in 80 hour work weeks out in the field where injuries are a common occurrence? Engineers that design the crap you like to buy face intellectually difficult challenges they must overcome to make sure you're happy forking over money for their product. You're just doing a pared down version of babysitting and doing busy work that takes very little thought to go through the motions. Your job is boring and unrewarding, maybe at times requires that you're away from home longer than you'd like, but it's not difficult.

[@stellardust6954]

@@seinfan9 get over yourself... come and try teaching teens. 🤣🤣🤣

[@paulthompson6553]

@@seinfan9 Those professions also pay six figure salaries. You wouldn't last two hours in today's classroom. Very ignorant!

[@12inter88]

@@seinfan9Jeez who hurt you?

[@BG-ig6fd]

Yup, they are impossible demands for a non-living wage. When will people wake up? When there are no more teachers left?

[@BK-jh2mg]

No wonder why Walter White from Breaking Bad got into drug making business.

[@trawrtster6097]

Tbh, even if he did get a decent income as a teacher, he still probably wouldn't have been able to pay for cancer treatments in the US

[@jixxeo]

Lol

[@supermanprime1281]

@@trawrtster6097 He's Columbian

[@supermanprime1281]

@@trawrtster6097 He's a made up character

[@harshvaghela47]

Walter White's story is also about failed US health care system.

[@plants4thewin]

I remember that teacher that was able to show me how to get the common denominator in fractions. She kept me after class and went through it slowly. I was so grateful cuz I felt like such a dummy in class. Thank you Ms Clay

[@sambotros1918]

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[@lolz6337]

Honestly you could use KZbin tutorials for that lol I taught myself discrete mathematics for CS

[@shregga367]

So she did her job

[@sailorsister211]

@@lolz6337 Everyone learns at a different pace. KZbin videos may work for you but not for everyone else. For me I have always struggled with Math and science, my freshman math teacher was the only math teacher that actually help me to enjoy math class. I actually passed her class with an A. The only time I ever struggled in her class was if there was a subsitute.

[@sailorsister211]

@@shregga367 She did more than her job required if she stayed after school to help out students. Many teachers won't even take the time to help students during class, let alone after. I have had teachers, where you better have understood what they said during the lecture, if not then you are screwed unless if another student is so kind enough to help you. For example, in my 2nd grade, teacher whenever I struggle to understand the assignment, instead of sitting down with me and telling me step by step directions, she would either A. Ignore Me; B. Just reread the directions that it (which I could have done that), or C. Just told me to figure it out, it isn't her job to baby me.

[@milenasoloduhina1726]

My jaw dropped when I saw Latvia has better teacher pay than so many other countries. By a bloody landslide! I am a Latvian living abroad and honestly could not even imagine my country leading anywhere. Tiers of joy.

[@busyant2944]

Tears. Not Tiers.

[@megalocerus1573]

Is that due to good teacher pay or bad pay for other college graduates? I wondered, since they were out of line with Europe.

[@milenasoloduhina1726]

@@megalocerus1573 Not sure really. Haven't researched it. Was just nice to see us being hopefully good in something (that is not high rates of suicide) Please don't rain on my minuscule parade :D

[@jsebby2284]

They don't have better teacher pay than so many other countries though. That's not what the chart says

[@milenasoloduhina1726]

@@jsebby2284 In this chart it says "teacher salaries relative to similarly educated workers", which means that the profession of being a teacher is being valued more in Latvia than in other countries. This would mean that if the profession was valued less, teachers in LV would be paid less, but they are not. And that's a win in my book, however small. I would sincerely appreciate people not raining on my tiny parade, there is sincerely very little for me as a Latvian to be proud of my country on a global spectrum.

[@sneakprev1984]

I'm a teacher in Germany and I'm always shocked by how little my colleagues in the US earn... I'm paid really well and teachers in Germany are also treated well in other regards (paying less taxes, better health-insurance and most teachers are state-servants so we can't be fired unless we do something really bad)... However, we also have a shortage in teachers over here...

[@jsebby2284]

Teachers in the US make more than in Germany

[@sneakprev1984]

@@jsebby2284 sure, but you also have to take costs of living into account and how their income compares to the average income in that country... only few teachers in Germany have a second job (I don't know anyone who has one) and most of us are able to live a financially comfortable life... and, like I said, we pay way less taxes so the pre-tax/post-tax ratio is far better than that of "normal" employees...

[@jsebby2284]

@sneakprev1984 very true. But the US doesn't have a high cost of living compared to other developed countries. Basically my point is just that you saying you're shocked at how little US teachers earn isn't accurate - because they don't earn little

[@AngstyPenguin69]

It’s because everything’s a lot more expensive over there. The higher the cost of living, the higher the pay

[@lukekneubuehl3109]

@@jsebby2284idk what country your living they you describe the US where teachers earn a lot cause that’s been not even close

[@Sipapate]

Teachers are paid little all over the world, I'm in Zimbabwe and teachers have been on a strike for the past 5 years

[@quanbrooklynkid7776]

damn

[@CrysfelVilla]

Same in Mexico, my mom was a teacher and she got paid almost the minimal wage 🤦‍♂️

[@abhinandjanakiraman2632]

yeah but the US is supposed to be slightly better than a third world country in Africa (no offense to those in Zimbabwe, I'm simply talking about the mathematical definition - all people are equal regardless of where you're from, and it's not their fault they were colonized)

[@jimJim-]

Sheesh 5 years

[@sensen9909]

Indonesia too

[@nang4218]

I'm a teacher. My sister stayed at my house for a month. The first week she stayed with me she told me that she was thinking of going into teaching. The last day at my house I told her that I would help her with her classes once she got started. Then she said "I don't want to be a teacher anymore" startled I asked why...she said that she saw me work everyday after school at home including weekends and that she didn't want that for her. In that moment I realized that she was right... I don't want that for her either. The stress and the pay is not worth it. Now I'm thinking of leaving teaching behind...and this makes me sad because I truly love teaching.

[@angellover02171]

And yet there are so many people that say teachers have it easy because have the summer off.

[@chrisortiz8072]

I know many teachers who are happy but they have higher degrees and make 90k a year so that's partly why I'm sure lol. As they said in the video location is a big deal. I mean as with any job if you move get better pay you will have higher taxes. The poorer the state the less one would expect in general I assume.

[@nikkivp82]

@@angellover02171 They have summers off but have to choose if they want their pay all year round or get more money through the school year. They shouldn't have to make this decision.

[@angellover02171]

@@nikkivp82 teachers in my state get paid monthly basically their yearly pay is broken up and they get paid more over the summer if they do summer school.

[@carlosa7598]

Try teaching in Japan. Even during Spring breaks and Summer vacations, we still come in for work😅😅 i even give my English Students homework during their time off. Thats not easy😅😅🗾

[@solinvictus4367]

Let's not forget all the unpaid overtime teachers are expected to do

[@shadowburrito4]

Say it loud for the people in the back. We're talking another 20-30 hours' worth... weekly.

[@jojoeb16]

That every other professional also does

[@MO123rules]

@@jojoeb16 For more pay. Like, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying a teacher should make as much as a top engineer in a global private company, but why can't they make the average living wage for their State like other professionals?

[@solinvictus4367]

@@jojoeb16 Easy to say when your professional pay per year is 20,000 higher or more than the average teacher

[@jojoeb16]

@@solinvictus4367 and what is my profession?

[@cl9315]

It’s good to see teachers standing up for themselves and not accepting the toxicity and disrespect in these districts.

[@JackieOwl94]

It’s risky. Talking about it can get your license revoked in some areas. Saying anything about the school or even going out on the weekends is frowned upon in some districts. They want you locked in that school getting no pay.

[@cloudie8314]

A special education teacher at our local high school left to teach at our local prison because he stood to make almost double teaching prisoners🤯

[@peaceandquiet1983]

Prisoners are fed a hell of a lot better too. School lunches are a disgrace of prepackaged garbage. We must really hate young citizens..... no wonder they hate back.

[@cloudie8314]

@@peaceandquiet1983 Right?!

[@danielflores9014]

And good for that person because I am willing to bet that teacher will get more out of it because usually those who are in prison will appreciate it more because they want to change their life around and its part of their probation program. Plus the teacher can retire early because it's a prison system and if their working with adults they don't have to deal with the classroom management as much because we they have police officers standing outside the door. There are pros and cons but they get all their money up front its not divides up into equal pay installments and you can retire early with 20-25 years with full pensions which public sectors won't match unless your working for the state

[@cloudie8314]

@@danielflores9014 I agree. He was an amazing teacher. I was sad because our kids missed out on a teacher who cared so much for them. I know it killed him to walk away but it was in his best interest.

[@cormacthem8406]

Doesn’t that make sense, working in a prison is essentially more dangerous it would merit more pay. If that’s more attractive to someone there’s no stopping that.

[@amberfennell5154]

I’m a teacher and I went overseas where I was paid and treated better. It’s a shame how our own country doesn’t see our worth!

[@jsebby2284]

Teachers in the US are paid the 5th highest in the world

[@Meton2526]

The free market sees your worth, the problem is you think it's more than that.

[@DougBlacktuba]

@@Meton2526 it’s not really a free market when it’s almost totally controlled by the government. Nice try.

[@bryanj2881]

lol lies. Teachers in US get paid rather high compared worldwide.

[@SmartChannel01]

@@jsebby2284 but living is us is more expensive

[@triad6425]

Too much is spent on admin salaries and their are too many admins. Even the superintendent is over paid

[@JadeoftheGlade]

Absolutely. Infrastructure too.

[@JK-gu3tl]

Adopting blockchain in our tax/spending structure would do wonders. Make things more transparent and reduce the middleman.

[@Jay-om8gr]

The superintendent in my city makes $300k and we’re in the bottom 3 states in the country in education

[@DietPizza1]

NJ has 555 school districts...the overhead for the people not teaching is insane. Fight the teachers union though and you’ll be permanently relocated to the pine barrens

[@MJ-vf1im]

You could hire four or five teachers for the cost of one superintendent. This is why I vote against tax increases for schools. Until there is some accountability for how they spend the money I will never vote to send them another dime.

[@johnjohnson7804]

It’s been two years since this article. I check back in on this from time to time. I’m a teacher. I fall into a pit of despair knowing nothing changes. I’m tired and trying to get out of this hole. I want to be able to afford a family of my own and a home of my own. I work hard and do a needed service in this country. Why can’t I as a teacher have those things?

[@seinfan9]

Find a career that pays better.

[@Yasminescookingshow]

Hello fellow teacher. I left the classroom after 6 yeas in January after the 6-year-old shot his teacher in a district 30 minutes from me. The news made me physically ill that day of the shooting. I'm currently in graduate school studying HR. I say you just have to get to a point where you've had enough like I did. Take a leap of faith and trust God, our Provider. It's not easy, but you can do it. Just believe in your heart that you deserve more, a better quality of life. Yasmine

[@lucci6142]

Come to the Northeast/ New England area where teachers have the highest salaries and benefits, while homeowners pay the highest property taxes in the country to support the public education system.

[@BENR8108]

@@lucci6142your cost of living is also some of the highest in the country to…. So your high teacher pay won’t go as far as you think…

[@leslielucci3182]

@@BENR8108 That's true but there are so many more options when you're earning a high salary. Not just teachers but there are also many high paying administrative positions as well. They all come with generous pension and health benefits after retiring with 30 years of teaching. In my area it can be very difficult to even get a teaching job unless you know someone in the school district, there is so much competition for these jobs. After retiring, teachers, police officers and NYC firemen seem to be the few that can afford to stay in this area courtesy of the generous pension/health plans funded by taxpayers.

[@marisa768]

This is why I always tried to be a kind and courteous student to all of my teachers. I saw the stress on the faces of the ones working so hard for our best educational interest, and as I got older, I learned how they aren't paid nearly what they should be. Wouldn't be where I am today without all of the amazing educators I have crossed paths with in my school years. Teachers/professors - THANK YOU, from a very grateful (almost) nurse!

[@dr.markdudleythompson7616]

You must be a great lady with a very great sense of humor and i would really like to know you more better, this is my gmail address [e-mail] hope to hear from you soon.

[@karenhardie1132]

Teaching jobs are not easy. They deserve more respect and money. Now with the pandemic parents are seeing how difficult that job is.

[@jjohnson01]

Dont teachers technically have a high hourly wage considering a lot of them take the entire summer off?

[@fuzzywuzzy5749]

@Alan Martinez Are you for real? I expect Karma is coming to bite you very soon. Beware my delusional friend.

[@fuzzywuzzy5749]

@@jjohnson01 Yes they get the summer off but the wages are structured to cover 12 months so there is no savings there. Every month is a scratch to pay the bills.

[@thisisnotaschoolaccountbtw]

@Alan Martinez If you don’t like school just say that. Teachers are humans too and are not people who just give you assignments for nothing. There doing it for a reason. Without teachers you wouldn’t know how to read and do most of the simple math you do today.

[@Jerbt]

@Alan Martinez oh my ok we got an high school kid that hates the idea of homework

[@zelilee5312]

They really deal with not just teaching but all of society’s problems, everything from poverty to bullying to mental health to people’s personal tragedies to behavior issues. School is one of those places that everyone is required to attend and at any given time you can have all of that in one room.

[@jimgilbert9984]

I was bullied as a kid, so when I became a teacher, there was no bullying in my classroom. I kept a CLOSE eye on my students at all times. I only ever had two cases of bullying involving my students in 25 years as a teacher. In the first case, the child was the victim. She complained about being bullied at school. The parent got so upset she called for a meeting with me and the principal. During the meeting, the child admitted that the bullying happened during PE (when I wasn't around), and not in my classroom. In the second case, one of my students was the bully. This was in a 2nd grade class. At breakfast in the school's Cafeteria and in the hallways on the way to my classroom every morning, he picked on Kindergarten and 1st grade kids (always making sure to pick on kids half his size). My other students told me about the bully's actions. I tried talking to him, punishing him, calling his mother, and making countless counselor referrals and discipline write-ups to the assistant principal. None of it worked. However, during one of the meetings we had with the counselors, I asked him why he didn't pull his bullying nonsense in my classroom. He said that he knew that I didn't put up with bullying, so he had to be a bully away from me. See, being vigilant is the key. It's extra work being that watchful, so other teachers don't want to do it. Just like when they would ask me why my class was so well behaved (even with the notable exceptions like the bully) and I detailed all I did in my classroom management plan, they would shake their heads and not even try my methods. But my students respected and loved me because I maintained discipline. Of course, my having not just punishments but rewards, too, as well as my being the "fun and weird teacher" probably had something to do with that, too.

[@truthsetyoufree104]

Sabere Synergistic Board is taking the teaching & Learning world by storm. Imagine keeping students engaged from bell to bell, learning from interacting with each other. Asian schools are all over a product created in the US. One rotating board for each group of 4 students. They keep moving around the board to provide each other feedback, comment, revise, ask questions, elaborate, correct, add, etc.. all of this while they are in their stations. Engagement increases, therefore, enhancing learning gains. Make your life easy while teaching!!!

[@jercasgav]

Cops, paramedics, nurses, CNAs, etc are in the same position, but we don't work great hours, have bathroom breaks, and we work year round without lots of weeks off.

[@zelilee5312]

@@jercasgav We are not given the resources or time to deal with ANY of those issues. All the other professionals you mentioned are specifically trained for those purposes. And we don’t just deal with one case at a time, 25+ kids all needing something/attention at once.

[@unluckyomens370]

@@jimgilbert9984 i wish teachers were given enough resources or incentive (better pay) for that to be more common

[@Kenichi_one]

To all teachers, I respect what you do and what you put up with.

[@scrateshooter]

Because there are three $100k/year administrators for every $35k/year teacher.

[@Awesome_Force]

In my local districts the STARTING pay for vice principal is $100,000 and principal is $120,000. It goes up from there each year. lol It takes a Masters degree to have those jobs, which a third of teachers also have masters degrees. the administration is paid much more, but they do have to deal with significantly more stress. The principal does. the vice principal is mostly a glorified secretary in many schools that is way overpaid.

[@j.c.2240]

It should really be the other way around... seriously, why so many admins???

[@somguy5035]

@@j.c.2240 Central planning = admins galore

[@corneliusmakin-bird7540]

@@somerandomperson6936 Best response on this video.

[@Hellsking]

Ever been to southasia country like India , Nepal . Avg teacher got paid $150 per month

[@gretchengraef3012]

In Arizona, teachers are paid much less. I was offered 31K with over ten years experience and a Ph.D. in engineering. I walked.

[@markc.5750]

That’s insulting

[@gregparrott]

@Polo Jack Don't be so sure Gretchen's statement is incorrect. I was on an engineering advisory board for a college in a more expensive state than Arizona. We were involved in the selection of a replacement teacher. The candidate we selected had a PhD in engineering and 5 years teaching experience. I was appalled when I learned that the college salary cap was $50k for the position. That teacher stayed for 2 years before moving on. (He had replaced the prior PhD teacher, who lasted a year) Some argue that because teaching breaks for periods, such as Summer, that their salary is actually for ~ 9 months work. But this is a fallacy. During the time school is closed, there are meetings, work to maintain accreditation, promotion of the school, preparation for the next semester, etc. While many teachers earn additional income outside of school, it's not like they're free following the end of a semester.

[@beth8775]

Jeez - you've got to have a living wage. Such an important job should have commensurate pay anyway.

[@m.l.l.d2316]

@Polo Jack My sister has a Ph.D. and 25 years of experience and had a similar offer...this year! To be a professor she had to have a Ph.D. It is a terrible imbalance in terms of what qualifications are required and the amount of pay.

[@kevinerose]

@@m.l.l.d2316 It is not the pay that is the imbalance. These employees are being overly trained. Just because you are overly trained for your job is not in itself a reason to expect more money. Ph.D. doesn't mean anything. Your income is based on your job primarily and secondly by your skill at advancing into higher paying jobs.

[@pamelamays4186]

Nowadays, many teachers have to dip into their own pockets to purchase classroom supplies.

[@ondradeese4017]

That's right

[@jackwilliamketterer8908]

I did that so much.... And the owners of the private school that I did that for are well known as being the richest family in the country of Honduras. (I teach overseas) So, I felt I was subsidising a millionaire family

[@jackwilliamketterer8908]

@Eileen TurciosWell, I am still here... I love the job and I get paid well and live well... As "just" a teacher there is no way I could have the lifestyle I do in the US doing the same thing... grant it, I get paid a little more than locals, but I am lucky to be at a school that doesn't horribly underpay Hondurans... which, either you married into or are... your last name is quite specifically from Honduras/El Salvador/Guatemala... Am I right?

[@killaburribo]

Yup, k-12 for me, Just about all my teachers paid for class supplies out of their own pocket. In a few of my classes we had to cut construction paper into rulers because the school couldn’t afford them

[@iamyou9755]

There are other profession that have to dip into their own pockets to purchase their own supplies

[@Thee_Dennis_Scott]

Here’s the crazy fact I realized: Most people in their professions today would not be where they are without teachers. I say this because we all learn from teachers in some way or form. We do not just go into a profession without knowing anything.

[@annai157]

A lot of people learn everything they know at home, without professional teachers.

[@Thee_Dennis_Scott]

@@annai157 true

[@Thee_Dennis_Scott]

@@Rest323 probably

[@TheSocratease]

@annai57 and it shows. Homeschooling has a lot to answer for. You sound like you were homeschooled.

[@hangjiang8771]

well unless your parents are educated prior how the heck do you get homeschooled. That or u hired private tutor

[@primetime645]

Don’t forget often times, a teacher buys supplies for the class. Need to print out a worksheet for the class? Buy your own paper (which is while I hated it, I understood why they had to ask students to bring in reams of paper for extra credit). Extra pencils/pens for students that can’t afford it or forgot one? Guess who funds it (not the school). And good luck getting it back. And that’s not even getting into the *science* teachers that try to keep their students engaged with interactive experiments. I can’t begin to imagine how much they have to spend on more complex experiments - for multiple classes at that. It’s sad to see how teachers are treated. Most good teachers I’ve had slowly got worked in by a combination of dealing with disrespectful teenagers all day, low pay, unlikable faculty, etc. and either *A.* Leave the profession. *B.* Leave for a different school/area. Or *C.* Slowly turn into a teacher that hates their job and has the class read textbooks and do worksheets all day instead of making learning engaging.

[@sirunfunnyiv7600]

Well said. I remember a few years ago in my 7th grade math class (I’m now in high school) when my math teacher said that she was only given a $400 dollar budget for the whole school year. With nearly 200 different students throughout the day, and around $0.01 per sheet of paper, I could tell that she was struggling to get by.

[@hs5312]

Maybe in some areas of the country teachers are low paid but as a whole this not true, Teachers in the US on average get paid more than teachers who in most countries. Part of the reason people think teachers are low paid is because they make less than other jobs that require the same qualifications but that doesn’t equal low paid. Heck I am would consider being a teacher they get paid 50k starting, that is not even close to low paid

[@salmonkill7]

@@hs5312 I earned my BS in Physics and BS in Chemistry with extensive Biology and a Minor in Math from Whitworth University. I completed my PhD Physics coursework at Purdue University with a 5.9 / 6.0 GPA and was one of the top students in my class. I ended up working as a Senior Research Scientist for PNNL a DOE National Laboratory for 33 years and I invented many key technologies. By age 56 I had lost my funding sources and suffered from a very bad back. I ended up going on short term disability and I was given some ineffective treatments that really didn't help me! My options were limited and I retired. I ended up taking a job teaching Science at a Private high school for one-fourth of my salary as a researcher and it's true TEACHERS BUY ALOT OF CLASSROOM MATERIALS they need for teaching!!

[@bidenliccsmen3611]

Printing work sheet is Tax payer money, also other profession have to buy their own tools

[@charlesdarwin3124]

@@salmonkill7 I checked the PNNL website and there is no mention of you if this is your real name. So I doubt your claims - could you clarify your scientific authorship name?

[@harperwelch5147]

It's true. I taught school for 11 years and then felt like my personal life was going nowhere. Income matters. It's not only about loving the job. It has to be reasonably financially rewarding as well.

[@seandmello3793]

Thank you for the work you do

[@JamesDea45]

it’s an outdated system. Needs a huge overhaul

[@kevinerose]

They do a huge overhaul every year when they raise my taxes. Computers, laptops, special choreographed lesson plans, and feeding the poor. They need to do a reverse overhaul.

[@JamesDea45]

@@kevinerose Yeah. But I mean a more modernized education. Not to mention they don’t teach anything about handling money,cooking, or taxes. They’re setting kids up to fail in the real world

[@marylawrence2218]

@@kevinerose that's not an overhaul. That's just updating a current system

[@brownjenkin8893]

@@JamesDea45 I'm sorry, but that wouldn't be a "modernized" education. It would be regressive--you'd be teaching kids that they need to be able to do tasks that others should do for them when they all become doctors, lawyers, and multimillionaire businesspersons. You would be inhibiting their potential. All students should be encouraged to strive for the top, as all students have equal intellectual capacity. Failure only happens because of external factors--it is never caused by lack of intellectual capacity on the part of a student. Handling money, cooking, etc. is work that is beneath Americans, and ought only be handled by people imported from less fortunate countries, and not taught in our schools.

[@JamesDea45]

@@brownjenkin8893 Not saying they should be a main class. But more of a rotational class where they have “specials” like gym. And what are you talking about? Our current system teaches us that we need to go to college to get any good job when in reality. Most of the high paying jobs that don’t require extra education get paid A LOT of money. Trades for example

[@peterslattery9581]

I’ve had some amazing teachers Shoutout to Mr. Semus, Mr. Killion Mr. Rosenberg, Mrs. Lockart, and the Top G himself Mr. Farkas Y’all make me love Math, History, and Music! Plz keep doing what your doing and inspiring kids Here’s to those good teachers who somehow find away to make it fun and memorable even with all their life stuff going on!

[@foxfiresidechats5227]

Because it goes to worthless Administrators, not the Teachers.

[@ms.bubs4fun506]

Yep! And they even have a wardrobe budget too!

[@astephiesteph]

Yep, and a bunch of random 6 figure “curriculum specialists”

[@martavillanueva1062]

In my city, CEO for the community colleges makes $@100,000.00+ a year and still got a raise in the thousands recently. Meanwhile adult educators had to fight for 4+ years for our union contract to get approved and adminstration refused to include a fair hourly pay, insurance benefits, ect. Chancellor's pay is up there, too, above $50,000.00+. And if I'm not mistaken both have never been educators themsleves. Like why do we have a CEO & a chancellor is like saying we need a Mickey Mouse and Cinderella for our college. During virtual, administration refuses to give adult educators money for remote teachin like a good laptop, quality microphone, headphones, printer, paper, electrical costs.

[@shubhamsagarsingh9451]

Agreed

[@Yukosan13]

What sucks is those administrators are paid very well by our local district but the dude still felt the need to steal more money from my city, and barely got caught after years of illegal activity

[@ltkwok]

The title says “Why”. Most of the video just states the problem over & over... not “Why”

[@appleducky5234]

They started out ok with how the career changed into a woman's profession, but should've expanded on that more.

[@louf7178]

MSM. That's why.

[@vvvnokk8309]

@@louf7178 what is that acronym? I cannot find a relevant answer on the web.

[@mrlazer2616]

@@vvvnokk8309 MSM = Main stream media.

[@randomperson9291]

Maybe it’s supposed to be asking why, not trying to answer the question

[@beauthestdane]

My aunt was a teacher and retired from it, she did it because she loved what she was doing and cared about helping the children, she certainly did not do it for the pay. We absolutely need to pay our teachers reasonable wages for what they are doing.

[@beauthestdane]

@Anakin Skywalker It is literally not taught anywhere but in colleges. On the other hand, teaching actual history, the good and the bad should be done.

[@sambotros1918]

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[@truther001]

@Anakin Skywalker Teachers don't design the curriculum, They are mandated by the district or state.

[@1m2rich]

Until recent years all professions with women paid little. Nurses, teachers, sales people, etc.

[@RCenal]

@Ms. Nancy sadly yes For example My former governor Kate Brown has made it to where kids are not required to have math and reading as part of the credits it takes to graduate high school

[@KatsDad]

I can’t remember a teacher that really impacted my life at all except one teacher that let me pass pre calculus with a grade of 0.8. That made it possible to graduate with an associate degree in Nuclear Technology. I was fortunate to be able to provide ok for my wife and family.

[@jamesw5836]

Mississippi teacher here. We lose about 2-3 great young teachers each year to better paying and less stressful jobs. I talk to every young teacher that walks in the doors at our school about looking at the future and think about it financially and not just "you are doing something important" or "you are doing something you love". The truth is after your teaching career is done, while you may have enjoyed it, you still want to "live" and even with a pension it's almost impossible to justify the lost potential wages by changing careers. Fifteen years ago I made that choice and at this time I'm more than a million dollars down, pay wise, compared to what I could have made at a job I was offered. I don't want another young person to make that same mistake. And the line, "we need to invest more to get better teachers" is just pure BS. Young teachers that I see are way more qualified to handle the modern education system then most veterans. Ninety percent of them are better than most of us veterans were at their age and experience. I'm out at the end of this year and can't wait. I'm not tired of the kids, I'm tired of the admins, testing, parents and all the other constant crap that makes what was once a great job just pure misery.

[@Elcherino123]

What other careers do these teachers go to or for though? More than likely they would have to go back to their masters or phd, no?

[@jamesw5836]

@@Elcherino123 Not necessarily but it depends on the degree they came out of school with. In my case I was offered a job through a contact I made when I asked him to speak to my class. He came in during a class I was teaching and offered me a job based on what he observed. This year two of our second year teachers have gone to jobs that pay much more than teaching does. Both of these folks were fantastic teachers and the students were lucky to have them. In the end though both of them decided that the pay scale just wasn't enough to give them the life they wanted for their families.

[@Elcherino123]

@@jamesw5836 Yeah but what jobs did your peers move to? Like geologist or marketing pr person? It seems these days social mobility is extremely hard or fixed so if you spend years in school and tens of thousands of dollars, people rarely switch

[@jamesw5836]

​@@Elcherino123 What most fail to understand is the majority of secondary teachers truly aren't in the profession for the money. I have know very few teachers that couldn't do anything they wanted for a job IF they had not decided to teach. At many colleges a secondary education teaching degree is almost considered an add-on with the teaching part. Most require that a person takes the hours to obtain a bachelor's in the field they are going to teach in. This makes them valuable assets to many companies since they have the knowledge in their field plus training in people management. Both of the folks I mentioned went to work for corporations. One of them is doing training for different locations and the other is training to work in marketing. In no way am I saying elementary teachers have less ability or opportunity. The difference in what colleges require lends the secondary ed person more training in a specific field outside of education. I agree with you 100% about social mobility. Those that have it want to keep it that way.

[@JacobAnawalt]

Unions usually hold onto older members at the cost of letting new members/ideas go.

[@sincere954]

Imagine someone watching this video and saying “Teachers should be paid more!”, then voting for politicians who don’t support public education.

[@Tallie602]

Betsy DeVos is a horrible person. I don’t know how people put her in the position she was in.

[@englishspeaker8179]

They shouldn't be paid more. Not categorically, anyway. I mean can we make any case that they should? We spend more real world value on education, and get terrible results. Why would any reasonable person think more money would get a different result? We need to perform a scientific study on what improves education, because the experiment we have run, and are continuing to run, shows us money is NOT the solution, as much as we wish it was. It just sounds "compassionate" to want more funding "for teachers." It isn't compassionate to our children however. True compassion would be finding what actually works for their educations sake.

[@someguy9070]

@@englishspeaker8179 I do agree that we need to overhaul our education system. We used to be #1 in the world but that time has passed. All I have to say is that... is it unrealistic or dumb to want teachers to earn more while also greatly improving the quality of public schools? Can’t we have both? I know it’s gonna take time and it won’t come easy. But, nothing good ever comes easy. Thoughts?

[@ozzitor8]

I agree. The entire right-wing of our political spectrum doesn’t believe in public investment (like education) and the centrists (liberals) believe in just throwing money at administrators who make $100k a year and fix nothing. Teachers need to be paid more. Full stop. Also, education needs to be completely overhauled. A lot of it could be done with the same amount of money we already spend, but giving more to teachers instead of administrators and removing all the private contractors from the equation.

[@englishspeaker8179]

Maybe we should make the priority the kids, and not the adults who made free choices to be where they are. Let's look at what improves their education in actual reality. Throwing money at the teachers doesn't work. Let's do some real work finding out what does work instead of the "won't somebody please think of the teachers?!" routine. Yes let's reform education, but let's do it focused on the kids, not the teachers. The kids need to be better prepared. Full stop.

[@otakucat3827]

Drive through any Department of Education parking lot and you will see where all the money goes. It's like driving through a BMW or Mercedes dealership. Administration is where you make the real money.

[@kristenrdesinski2937]

That is actually true on all levels of the school systems in our country. Administrators make much more than teachers (some are less qualified than those teachers) and the number of administration staff per district has increased over the years. I am not saying that there is not a need for people to assist in that role, but there needs to be a balance between the dollars available for all staff and who they are allocated to. Principals and Superintendents are not CEO's, the pay gap should be kept to a reasonable level.

[@TENNSUMITSUMA]

Yessir!

[@lizr.g6925]

@@kristenrdesinski2937 but y?? How they earn more?

[@nikkivp82]

@@lizr.g6925 It is "Why? How do they earn more?" Most adults do not understand slang or ebonics irl much less typed out!

[@lizr.g6925]

@@nikkivp82 sorry boomer🙄

[@danielalonzo7445]

I went to school outside the United States. The school system would weed out the kids who were there to make trouble and really focus on students who really wanted to learn.

[@reneedennis2011]

Yup.

[@pete5668]

They would tempt them with weed, and those who took it were expelled. Brilliant!🤣

[@kristinsearight3813]

I loved almost all of my teachers. I hadn't seen my high school history teacher in over 12 years and he hollered to me in Walmart not to long ago. 12 years later and he immediately recognized me. He was in the military and deployed my freshman year. I keep in touch with my 5th grade teacher. She was amazing. When my 2nd grade teacher passed away, over 700 former students turned out to her funeral. My middle school math teacher, Mr. Crowley was also a memorable guy. He worked at the gas station with my uncle because teaching didnt pay enough. Sad he had to do all that.

[@stephj9378]

Gglad you had that wonderful experience but no, it's not sad. It's basic economics. You work two jobs or get ONE job that will give you a better salary. Sad, but true, (From a retired teacher)

[@seandmello3793]

@@stephj9378 ... that's not economics.

[@stephj9378]

@@seandmello3793 Can you explain? Maybe I should have used the term ' basic finance'. ?

[@gungde_ngurah]

Thanks to teachers all over the world even though they are low paid, they are still highly dedicated to teaching

[@pravinpatel9895]

The cheapest BABYSEATERS! A sad story.

[@lilcurry1813]

@@jessicasimmons5706 exactly these teachers are baby sitting and teaching kids and getting payed lower than babysitters

[@jessicasimmons5706]

@Joe Duke if you amortize out the wage per hour a teacher receives for all the hours they work, the hourly wage a babysitter is paid is a higher hourly wage.

[@jessicasimmons5706]

@Joe Duke li don't know any teacher who is paid 5000 a month. Including sports coaches. I worked at a day care and was paid 14.00 an hour. A higher wage than my immediate circle of teachers.

[@jessicasimmons5706]

Who all put in any where from 45-60 hours a week depending on the grade they teach and age group they teach.

[@jessicasimmons5706]

@Joe Duke as a babysitter no I was not getting ripped off I was getting paid well for only 40 hours a week with no take home grading and I was paid for my lesson planning. I don't discount what you say when you quote an average. That is the problem with averages, they represent a scale which does not factor in differences in population density or cost of living. I honestly was making an offhand quip or joke, because the daycare or "babysitter" wage I was earning was higher than teachers I new personally. Most of whom teach in a rural areas, I as a babysitter in a daycare in a city had fewer responsibilities, could take a bathroom break more readily, and only worked 40 hours a week. The daycare was not underfunded, or understaffed. I effectively had a better situation than many of my teacher peers, even if I had to toilet train my charges. I intended no offense or correction of your point. Simply to supply a differing perspective from my limited point of view.

[@scrumbles]

Parental involvement is the number one factor in student success. If the parents don't teach their kids to respect the teachers, how good the teachers are makes no difference.

[@Ludendorf01]

The situation with American teachers is heartbreaking for me. I worry about US education and healthcare. There's such a rich/poor divide.

[@jsebby2284]

What is heartbreaking about it?? They're paid the 5th most in the world And why are you worried about our education?? We spend the 2nd most per pupil in the world

[@Ludendorf01]

​@@jsebby2284 Patently false on their pay. But regardless of how you cherry pick the data, teachers should never need a second job to get by.

[@scottmatthews6889]

As an American I can tell you that this country could pay for education to the point where everybody could have a 4 year degree. They’d rather put the money towards military… because we have this obsession with being the worlds police

[@jsebby2284]

@@Ludendorf01 it's not patently false lol. There are rankings for this type of stuff. Where does your cherry picked data say they rank? The only reason 0.001% of teachers need 2nd jobs to get by is because they only work 80% as much as a normal worker - so some of them want to use their free time to make more money

[@redexcold9631]

There not that a lie

[@jonreiser2206]

The best thing I’ve ever done for myself was to leave teaching music in a public school to teach privately. I just couldn’t keep living like that. The stress was too much for me. I earn less now but am much happier.

[@joseph2ne]

I was thinking about the point they made in the video about changing jobs to earn more money in a district. I am the only band director in my district…where should I go?

[@jonreiser2206]

@@joseph2ne sorry, are you asking my advice or just making a rhetorical statement? I am utterly unqualified to give anyone else any advice. It’s far too complex and personal of an issue. You’ve got to follow your heart.

[@solidfuel0]

I thought they said private pays more

[@jonreiser2206]

@@solidfuel0 I’m not sure what they said exactly regarding that. Maybe in private pk -12 schools? I teach out of my own music teaching studio these days. If I taught in a big city I could charge considerably more, but even then I doubt I’d exceed what I’d be earning in a public school with as many years and credits. There’s only so much demand here even though I teach multiple instruments. I do fine, but I’m making about half what I was when I left the public school system.

[@sambotros1918]

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[@wafiywahidi3317]

give the politician a teacher wage per day and we might see the difference

[@ahadumer418]

Depend what state

[@ruthspanos2532]

And have them substitute teach in Kindergarten!

[@wafiywahidi3317]

@@ruthspanos2532 yes please do that

[@KnightGlint]

You'll see side effects. Increase in wages, but oh hey look the state decided to take money out of another program(s) instead. That money is going to come from somewhere.

[@scottmolnar4132]

Teachers are one of the highest paid per day actually worked. Politicians would love getting so much

[@igbypaul474]

Teachers need to stop thinking of their profession as a charity project and start demanding fair compensation.

[@priscillajimenez27]

When I first started as a teaching assistant, I came to the school early to plan and stayed later planning and getting things together. Since I worked by the hour, I figured I put my time in for the hours I worked. Then the secretary told me that I only put in the school hours even though I invested at least 3 extra hours a day to get things together for the students. And that's not including stuff I did at home. Plus I had a second job. And that second job was getting higher raises than my TA job. So I had HS kids and people coming off the street working at my second job getting almost as much as my TA job which I got a degree and experience for.

[@glimmeringsea5105]

Very true!!! Nobody mentions teacher assistants!!!! They get paid worse than regular teachers.

[@ak5659]

@@glimmeringsea5105 In the district where I taught TA's got pay increases as they gained credentials. Those with specialized credentials got first dibs if they applied for a position in a matching specialized class. They also got regular raises for years of service. It was one of the few things the district got right, IMO.

[@truthsetyoufree104]

Sabere Synergistic Board is taking the teaching & Learning world by storm. Imagine keeping students engaged from bell to bell, learning from interacting with each other. Asian schools are all over a product created in the US. One rotating board for each group of 4 students. They keep moving around the board to provide each other feedback, comment, revise, ask questions, elaborate, correct, add, etc.. all of this while they are in their stations. Engagement increases, therefore, enhancing learning gains. Make your life easy while teaching!!!

[@jeSuisbar]

@@glimmeringsea5105 I know a former teacher who tells he earns as much as claims administration which doesn’t require a degree or extra time. In claims administration we have 1 month PTO, less stress no paper grading or planning. Matching benefits to a teacher and we have overtime, crazy how much teachers get paid. It’s so so little.

[@idaliaherrera1609]

I honestly think the people getting rich are book publishers like pearson. Most of the admin at my local school aren’t rich.

[@SissyFlower5]

The textbook authors barely make anything either so it's insulting how much they jack up textbook prices

[@inthevault9603]

And assessment creators. That’s why they’re saying the SBAC is still going to be given during a global pandemic. Everything is always about money 💰.

[@ratherbfishing455]

Most administrators in my city drive Mercedes, BMWs, Land Rovers, etc. They are not rich but well-off.

[@wwz1011]

We need to break the book cartel. Step one, when a new edition comes out, avoid it. Keep the old version, buy up the depressed pricing of the former version. Do we really need a new version of an algebra book every three years?

[@aliciawoody7978]

@@wwz1011 Every 3 years. I taught at my HS alma mater and they were using the same textbooks I had when I was a freshman - 10 years prior. 😳

[@michaelmckeever2734]

My High School teachers had a major impact on my life and to this day 12 years later, I still keep in touch with them. They definitely deserve more for the impact they have on all of us.

[@Blueyzachary]

I legit cried when I started working a job after school and the librarian was my coworker

[@Falconlibrary]

I recently retired after 32 years in teaching. I didn't make a living wage until the last 8 years of my career. For each of those 32 years, I routinely spent at least $1500 a year on supplies (sometimes more) out of my own pocket, worked from 6 am to 9-10 pm at night, worked weekends, worked during our so-called "summer vacations". The workload is crushing and my wages didn't keep up with the cost of living. You have no personal life during the school year and barely have one during the summer. Why did I do it? The kids. I miss them every day. Those 32 years meant something more than money. But younger teachers are quitting before they get locked into the system because being an educator has become more and more difficult each year. Parents and the administration often don't support us, but they are happy to thwart us. Don't get me started on the politicians, who conveniently beat up on our profession for votes and cheap applause. Our schools are broken because as we veterans retire, younger teachers are NOT taking our place. I don't blame them. We need more money, but also more autonomy and respect. I won't hold my breath.

[@k.c1126]

Thank you for this honest comment. So many of the teachers at retirement age have kept going "through it all" because of the kids. But this younger generation is less altruistic, and, frankly, more conscious of their self-worth. Additionally, they are actuated towards teaching as 21st century teachers, but part of that reality comes with the expectation that they will be provided with what they NEED to be successful. The pandemic has hinted at the powerful role computer technology and internet connectivity can play in the educational future. But none of it is worth a thing unless American schools can get their communities to supply the money, the autonomy and the respect. Enjoy your retirement!!!

[@BC01300]

Since leaving the teaching profession, I have nearly doubled my salary, while simultaneously reducing both the number of jobs and hours worked. While teaching, I worked two jobs, as well as a seasonal job and coached athletics year round. Factoring in lesson plans, grading, and regular phone calls made to parents, I averaged 60+ hours per week for my primary job as an educator. In my current profession, I work a single job and average 45+ hours per week. My general health has also improved due to a reduction in work related stress. Teaching is a challenging profession and many individuals fail to understand its complexities. Edit: Because it has been mentioned several times below...money was not a primary factor in my decision for leaving the teaching profession. The video is centered around teacher salary so my response merely reflects the topic of the video. I have a family and finding a balance between work and life with my family is most important. I can work less hours in a different profession, thus allowing me to spend more time with my family. I'm merely fortunate that my income increased from changing careers. Personally, I feel that money only matters up to a certain point and after that it yields diminishing returns.

[@renehanna2096]

That's a great story! Do you know why other teachers wouldn't do the same as you?

[@BC01300]

@@renehanna2096 I can't speak for others, but leaving teaching was the most difficult decision I have ever made. I am passionate about education and want nothing but the best for future generations. Building and establishing meaningful relationships with students kept me in the profession. This sentiment is probably true for other educators as well. On a side note, I never became a teacher for the money, but I also wasn't aware that my decision to become a teacher would commit my family to a life of financial hardship. Fortunately, I hold multiple degrees in high paying and "in demand" fields so I had a guaranteed job upon exiting the teaching profession. This isn't the case for many educators since education degrees typically don't transfer to other fields easily.

[@godofwar4276]

Good for you. I pay through my nose for education. It goes to all sorts of things and teachers are under paid. Good teachers can't be paid more and bad teachers let go. Terrible system.

[@clifflaw]

@@renehanna2096 Should we not have Teacher’s?

[@BC01300]

@@godofwar4276 Our current public education system is archaic and in need of reform. When this does occur, I think it's essential that educators have a seat at the table since most decisions are made by politicians, which in turn directly impacts both educators and students.

[@forevermarcia]

ALL EDUCATORS SHOULD HAVE 100% STUDENT LOANS FORGIVEN.

[@AnguishedMan]

Hell no

[@Waywardpaladin]

They do after ten years of payments through Public Servant Loan Forgiveness at least.

[@SalveMonesvol]

The thing with student loans is... If you forgive them, you punish the best students and hardest workers. If you go to community college and finish your carreer ASAP while working part time and living with your parents, you will end up with very little or even zero student debt. If you go to an extremely expensive university, live on campus, overspend and take longer than average to finish your career while not even working, you will end up with lots of debt. If all of that was to study a career that serves nobody but yourself, you will not be able to pay them back. That's nobody else's fault. Well, yes, it's unfair to expect so much from a 17-18 year old. What you suggest is a way to cheat the system. Somebody will pay, just not the one who benefitted from the loan in the first place. Now, since you seem to be from the USA, could you explain to me, how 50k dollars a year isn't a living wage?

[@brandonwx98]

What makes the debt of educators any different than the average American? That's BS!

[@Waywardpaladin]

@@brandonwx98 It is a question of incentives. They are having a hard time attracting people to the field, so it is one of the ways they can get more people to choose to be educators.

[@thenightporter]

Mr. Chuck Nyberg was my 6th grade science teacher in the early 80s. I was at the bottom of the class, but through his encouragement, at the end of the semester, I was at the top of the class. Thank you, Mr. Nyberg. Throughout my life, whenever I felt I could not do something, I remembered you "you can do it!"

[@mr.c493]

I’ve been teaching for 17 years and my salary barely goes up. I’m at a point that I might be looking elsewhere. My own kids tell me that they want to be a teacher like me, and I have said many time, no because it doesn’t pay the bills. Unfortunately, we have bills and responsibilities. It’s sad that our future’s education is not a priority. Hopefully this will change in the future. I know I won’t see it but I really hope the teaching career changes for the better.

[@geosock]

@@brycemonkey3867 the private school model sounds nice, but it really only works in few use cases. All private K-12 schools including mine have to stay eligible for funding, get grants from foundations, beg alumni for donations, etc, and that’s because the average person can’t afford private school tuition. Privatizing education would cause more problems then solve, especially in rural America. Economically, having a a school in rural areas make no sense. Very few people live near it, so you have to drive them which is very expensive, you’d need one big school since a bunch of little ones wouldn’t have enough teachers, and all that would cost more then someone on a rural average salary can afford. The only reason rural Americans have electricity is because the government forced electric companies to run wires to rural areas, because it was economically pointless to do so before.

[@kishad1542]

But that's true in nearly all professions. I'm still trying to understand what is going on here that makes itdifferent.

[@zephead843]

If Americans were serious about the future of public education, they'd abolish teachers' unions, remove the "strike clause" from those onerous "gangland contracts," and swap out those "golden pork chop" pensions for 401K's.

[@tationotaliaferro8418]

This breaks my heart. My teachers were some of the most important adults in my life. Teachers too essential to be getting paid crap.

[@jahjoeka]

Teachers in the hood I respect them so much because these kids could be so *DISRESPECTFUL*

[@IMagnus123123123]

Teachers should call OSHA. report these schools. because laws stop schools from expelling and punishing students who punch and kick teachers.

[@felixf4378]

I agree. I went to high school in the bad part of town and I honestly felt bad for the teachers. My school was just filled with crazy animals who had no interest in learning.

[@curtcrossley6847]

F Fuentes what you mean you probably a white Fortnite kid calling black people animal

[@optimusprimee]

Kids are disrespectful.

[@jahjoeka]

@@curtcrossley6847 wow that got racist fast...

[@bluestripetiger]

In NJ teachers were villainized by Gov Christie simply because we thought that the state should honor its contractual pension requirement for educator retirees after an entire career of low paychecks. We are constantly told that we are failures-- "those who can- do, those who can't- teach." We are told we are lazy because school ends at 3 pm, not taking into account everything that happens after school from tutoring to coaching to leading clubs to taking work home and grading and lesson planning deep into the night. We are told we are leeches because we get two months off in the summer and that we're "paid to do nothing" , while not understanding that the "pay" we get in the summer is money we gave permission to the local Bd of Ed to deduct from every single paycheck we receive during the school yr and hold in escrow for us so that the Bd can then release that money to us in July and August. Lastly we are always told to shut up because teaching is a privilege and if we don't like it to switch to "a real career. " I love what I do, and I'll deal with your high schooler and their problems all day long if necessary, it's the constant disrespect from the adults and society around me that I and other teachers don't appreciate. During a school shooting I'm supposed to die for your kids. During the worst of the pandemic, when people were dropping like flies, I was expected to accept the possibility of getting ill and dying so that your kid could go to school and you could work and society could function. Despite all this, somehow my peers and I are still not deemed worthy by our states and municipalities of getting a decent wage. It's mind boggling and given all the circumstances around the profession , it's a miracle that only now is there starting to be a national teacher shortage crisis. It's a wonder it didn't happen years before. When no one decides to teach, what will happen then?

[@nancyomalley6286]

Sadly, there are just nasty, elitist, entitled people who treat teachers as 'menial labor'

[@markwilliams8257]

Nowadays with the advent of the Internet, computers, audio/video technologies, etc., most people who are older than 12 years old should be able to get educated online without the need of a human teacher.

[@bluestripetiger]

@@markwilliams8257 you would think that and i think for adults that would work just fine, but the pandemic taught us that for kids it's simply not true. The high school kids simply don't have the discipline and focus required to just give them an online syllabus and due dates for assignments and put the class on autopilot trusting that theyll watch online videos and educate themselves. The adolescent mind tends to think in immediate gratification mode, without a teacher to hover over them they dont do anything. It's unfortunate but true. The failure rates during the pandemic, when class was on zoom and assignments were strictly online, were phenomenal.

[@sarahmartinez1021]

Not only do they want you to be a social worker, a therapist, a teacher and learn safety skills, but they also want you to be a data entry clerk, a monitoring/evaluation specialist (i.e. grading and commenting in a meaningful way on assignments), and in some cases, they also want to micromanage you, and ask you to break the kids’ spirit. I taught middle school math (pre algebra, algebra, algebra 2) and at one school, I was evaluated poorly for taking 20mins to review a topic that I estimated would take 5 mins in my lesson plan. It was a review of what they learned the week before. When confronted, and asked what did I think that said about me as a teacher, I said I think it says I’m student-centered and dynamic/flexible. I noticed a few glaring misconceptions and addressed them right then and there, and I was able to do so thoroughly, on my toes, because I am so familiar with my subject. I nipped the misconception in the bud and re routed my whole lesson so as not to move on to more complex things before the kids were ready. My principal said she thought it showed I was a bad time manager and should have moved on with the lesson as planned and set aside time at a future date to address the misconception. I said that approach might be best in other subjects, but math builds on itself. You cannot move on without certain foundational skills, of which this misconception was one. She said no. Then she made me role play with her acting as the student and set a timer (that she explained was set up purposefully so that she could see it but not me). The first time I did the exercise, quite amazed that I was even being asked to do this and also still in disagreement with the premise, I went 1minute over. So she made me role play again. This time I went 1minute under (still with only her able to see the timer and me blinded to the timer). Then she said no. And demonstrated the way yo do it (so now I played the student in our role play). She of course got right on the dot, 5min (because, again, she could see the timer). So I was asked to do it again, with me playing the teacher again. Finally I got it very close to 5 min. And she ended the session with a very condescending “you’ll do better next time” (I had already been teaching for four years). She also suggested that I script myself in my lesson plans and time myself in a mirror the night before. (So now add actor to the list of jobs I was supposed to do. Never mind I’d earned multiple times speech competitions at the state and national level.) Frankly I think any teacher who feels dependent on scripting themselves daily should consider another profession. At another school, the kids were never allowed to talk to each other. Lunches were silent (every singe lunch, not just a one-off for a punishment), hallways were silent. They were only allowed to talk to each other during structured group exercises in the classroom, where if we heard the kids switching to social talk, we were asked to redirect them and issue demerits if the talking persisted beyond the subject at hand. This was the most depressing school I ever taught at. It broke the kids spirit and it broke my spirit too. One week the school counselor asked us to do a mind map where the kids would draw things that made them happy on one side of a stick figure self portrait and on the other side, things that made them sad. I was alarmed and brought it to the counselors attention when I noticed ALL of my students had school in the sad side. Not a single exception. They ALL put school in the sad side but the happy sides were all different. Some had soccer, some music, siblings, art etc. the counselor didn’t seem to care and didn’t think there was anything to do about it. I quit by October that school year.

[@burger_kinghorn]

The principal spends 20 minutes on a condescending role play exercise to criticize *your* time management?!

[@BrooksTV4]

I’m sorry you went through that. It’s sounds like you were a great teacher in a bad environment with an administrator who has an ego problem. The entire school has a problem if it makes all the kids sad, and doesn’t allow the kids to socialize.

[@annai157]

And that, in a nutshell accounts for fully half of the reason that good teachers are so hard to hire nowadays. What intelligent person puts up with the sort of treatment you received? For a whole career? What you describe has nothing to do with pay, and everything to do with the mass exodus from the profession.

[@thenightporter]

As an adult who wasnt diagnosed with ADD until age 48, who has executive level functioning disorder and was terrible at math, your method would have been a godsend. Thank you❤

[@SpeakingEnglishToday]

Growing up I never really saw teachers leaving their job or quitting during the school year. But now it seems normal. It always seems like the best teachers leave.

[@truthsetyoufree104]

Sabere Synergistic Board is taking the teaching & Learning world by storm. Imagine keeping students engaged from bell to bell, learning from interacting with each other. Asian schools are all over a product created in the US. One rotating board for each group of 4 students. They keep moving around the board to provide each other feedback, comment, revise, ask questions, elaborate, correct, add, etc.. all of this while they are in their stations. Engagement increases, therefore, enhancing learning gains. Make your life easy while teaching!!!

[@reneedennis2011]

Yup.

[@littlesongbird1]

I recently returned to teaching (very blessed as I am a private school with an amazing principal) and I was shocked when I applied in January how many schools wanted me to start like right away! Very different from 10 years ago. It was a lot of the same story different schools: a teacher left the middle of the year. I agree when I was a kid I don't recall any teacher leaving their job in the middle of the year (we had some who may had to take a medical leave but they came back)

[@BusArch42]

Indeed the good ones find better careers.

[@tookie8888]

I’ve been teaching for over 15 years. In that amount of time I’ve seen a lot of changes in education and none for the best. Teachers have been bogged down with more paperwork than ever before due to someone in admin’s idea of programs that are sure to “cure” our educational issues. I average about 10 hour days and give up one entire day of my weekend every week...and this was before the pandemic. I’m afraid of more pay because I think someone is going to say, “Show me the proof that they are worthy of this increase” and we have more paperwork, data collection, and testing to do. Standardized tests that are grossly not age appropriate for most child’s level of cognitive thinking are really in place to see if the teacher is worthy of their meager 1% raise each year...these tests aren’t about student achievement when a teacher’s raise is tied to these scores by 30+% of their yearly evaluation.

[@imnotanalky]

100% correct about tests not being age appropriate. State testing is ridiculous

[@FirstLast-rd6hw]

215 days on 150 days off a year sounds pretty good (although a stretch to say the average teacher works more than 200) considering people making $15 an hour have to work 300 days to earn less than you. They don’t get holidays off, insurance, or retirement. They don’t get paid sick days or vacation days. If a teacher making 30k a year worked full time all year their pay would increase 25-40%. They are compensated for their time worked and to say teachers are overworked or underpaid is pure ignorance.

[@GoldenWolf152]

@@FirstLast-rd6hw yeah no that’s dumb logic

[@FirstLast-rd6hw]

@@GoldenWolf152 says someone who lacks basic math skills and common sense. Remain ignorant if you choose, it’s not a good look but it’s expected from a Trumper.

[@iamyou9755]

@@GoldenWolf152 no it is not, schools have what the Minimum amount of instructional times per school year 180 days, how many Calendar Working Days in a year 262 so if I make 90k to work a full year , and then decide to work half as many days I would expect my pay to be half or 45k..

[@geraldoyo1]

I loved my students and they loved me! I walked away after 3 short years. The system sucks along with the pay. Districts and many principals just can't leave teachers alone to do the jobs they've invested a lot of years and money to prepare for. Too much micromanaging and always heaping more on your plate yet reminding you to do self care! Biggest lip service business out there!

[@psychopath416]

Great information but it didn’t really answer the question “why”

[@hb-dc3170]

All I needed to give this video a nice big 👎🤬

[@ricflair5956]

Nice tag line that doesn’t get answered.

[@stesit]

They did though. They talked about the history, the pay structure, the pay cap, years to reach that cap, lack of ability to change companies, lack of performance raises, etc. If you're talking about why us low compared to world, it's because of politicians.

[@noammusk519]

@@stesit It's because of people. Stop blaming politicians, they're in their offices only because people voluntarily vote for them over and over again.

[@stesit]

@@noammusk519 True, the people keep voting them in, but it is the politicians that write the budgets and allocate money. The people are not involved in that process. Additionally, ALL politicians say they support teachers, but when they are voted in, they don't increase teacher pay. The people voted for the one that said they would increase pay. In the end, why is the people who say they support teachers and literally write the budgets not to blame?

[@anneliesececi418]

In addition to low pay, teachers do the bulk of their "paperwork" on their own, unpaid time

[@zeldaadlez3377]

It not about how much you do. Smart work > hard work. Quality> quantity

[@icvip9753]

@@zeldaadlez3377 maybe on paper but this is the real world mate

[@kh8655]

@@icvip9753 explain why Finland's education system is doing so well then...

[@elcaldy4435]

@@kh8655 They’re also paid much better.

[@kh8655]

@@elcaldy4435 so the only reason teachers are doing bad is because they choose to..

[@angrychick9649]

Childcare workers too. As a preschool teacher i get paid crap,but iam expected to do so much. Guess what,i get them first. Nobody could do their job without childcare workers,yet we are seen as “babysitters” and disposable

[@mariee.5912]

Well said!!

[@dietrichjoanne]

I am a preschool teacher. My pay is much lower than an elementary teacher.

[@davidjones3165]

Everybody!!!

[@dietrichjoanne]

@j.denino57, it is hard to get a job in an elementary school.

[@CherryFrog321]

@j.denino57 the qualifications for teaching preschool and elementary are usually different. You often don't even need a degree to teach preschool if it's in a non-public school setting. But elementary obviously always requires a Bachelor's degree. So it isn't necessarily that easy to just go right from a preschool teaching job into elementary. If the person doesn't have a degree in education, then they'd have to go through four years of schooling before they could get an elementary teaching job. And some people just really have a passion for teaching preschoolers and are happier doing that.

[@brad349miller]

The real question is why is it not enough? We provide our children with the most expensive public education in the world for 13 years and have nothing to show for it.

[@nicolet.rainer1605]

I'm a teacher in CA. The curriculum has been dumbed-down in the name of "equity" that's it's now a complete joke! Teacher's can't hold students accountable for missing due dates, missing assignments, disruptive behavior; we're strongly encouraged to give them points for anything they turn-in, even if it's wrong, incomplete, or rap lyrics. "F" grades are arbritrarily changed to "No Pass." It's a sad, sad affair out here.

[@pengguo4954]

unfortunately, it is so true! same things at college level.

[@VansFullOfPandas]

Because we are in a middle of a pandemic... this was only the case when we are CDL. I am a teacher in OR

[@dianemitchell1717]

School administrators treat parents like clients. They want to keep them happy so they will vote for school bonds, etc.

[@stephj9378]

You must leave that job. It's crushing your soul. In fact the whole state is a mess.

[@googleaccount2968]

That's ridiculous bruh 👁👄👁

[@patrickmiller6530]

For all our teachers, your students love you and we respect you.

[@Yugetubes]

No. No, we don't.

[@garyenkwong1683]

Yes. Yes, we do

[@Yugetubes]

@@garyenkwong1683 .*

[@kennypenny5205]

No we don't

[@patrickmiller6530]

@Ohm of Life Yes!! We love you all! Keep investing in the future! We won’t forget!

[@ariagrumpy8254]

Ms. Dias is the BEST math teacher I've had in all my 12 years of school by a long shot. If you're seeing this, Love from Aria!

[@christianj252]

I had a high school math teacher who would stay after school with me to help me with Calculus homework. He had to stay after anyways to grade stuff, but he took the time to explain hard concepts to me. He deserved to be paid a lot more than what he probably got.

[@bingchilling3120]

@@christianj252 Yes, i had a similar type of teacher but in the current world where education is turn into business,it's hard to find a teacher who is passionate about teaching rather than money.I know money is also essential too.

[@KeiPalace]

And one of the reasons that teacher's can be attacked is that it is a female profession, and conservatives hate that they have had strong unions.

[@jsebby2284]

Nobody attacks teachers because it's a female profession

[@johnwhite5035]

Question: Why are teachers paid so little worldwide? Answer: Because politicians and their agencies are pocketing the money. Question: Why will you not be able to get a pension and retire? Answer: Because politicians and their agencies are pocketing the money.

[@enigmafiresup4658]

Actual answer: Because a teachers job is easy, and is not something that takes any remote skill below a college level.

[@johnwhite5035]

@@enigmafiresup4658 'Actual answer': Because Enigmafiresup is not a teacher and has not studied to be a teacher.

[@HarshRajAlwaysfree]

@@enigmafiresup4658 i think high school teachers should be paid and trained more high school is really important i doubt professors should even be called teachers at this point, they live in a total different world compared to them

[@jinalea1273]

@@enigmafiresup4658 Guess you only meet lazy teachers who only read books in front of you and never meet a good one. Try tutoring someone or teaching in a class. It's hard trying to get to make a room pay attention to you and teach someone. Besides coming up of method so your students will understand the lesson. Teachers also act as second parents to kid. Why don't you try taking care of energetic preschoolers? Since it seems easy to you.

[@muhdadam9931]

TERM LIMITS!!!

[@Al-ht5pi]

It’s crazy I graduated high school in 2013 and Worked my way up to a store manager and making more than my teachers that been teaching for 25+ years it’s a damn disgrace

[@iamyou9755]

yeah its amazing what hard work will get you..

[@zephead843]

@@Hank_Chill Of course, there's no way to substantiate your story, so we'll say that Panda Express pays their managers 50K. You must take into account a public schoolteachers entire benefit package. I'd be willing to bet you more money than you could afford to lose that no private sector company can match a public schoolteachers' pay, benefits, or pension package. Do some digging and you'll soon learn why American universities are still awarding 500,000 Education degrees every year with tens of thousands of students on waiting lists in the event of students dropping out or changing majors.

[@ihcend]

@@Hank_Chill Panda Express hires store managers at 39,000-52,000 according to glassdoor so I'm not exactly sure where you're living

[@bettywith2girls]

@@zephead843 Yes, I respect and appreciate teachers, and want everyone to be paid and treated very well in life. But there are indeed some perks to teaching too that nobody mentions and that's the 3 month summer vacation they get. Sure, most use that time to get additional training or experience, or take work at a 2nd job bc they can, but it I-S nice to be able to stay at home with your kids and not pay daycare during the summer and/or after 3:30 pm (yes, you have to grade papers after 3:30 pm but you also can do that at home), or travel for enjoyment for 3-months just bc you can. Most full-time jobs go from 8 am to 5 pm or 6 pm at the office or traveling to different locations every day M-F, with maybe 1 to 2 weeks a year off as vacation...that's it. Teachers absolutely earn that 3-months off but it also is nice to have that too.

[@stephj9378]

As a retired teacher, i hear you. But teachers are like any other Americans. We have the FREEDOM to move on to better paying situations. And if people really want to support education, they can allocate more taxes to us.

[@Violent2aShadow]

"WHY ARE MY KIDS FAILING IN SCHOOL?" "Well, do your kids complete their homework?" "HOW CAN MY KIDS DO THEIR HOMEWORK WHEN THEY HAVE SOCCER PRACTICE?!?"

[@mikeylikesit3393]

stop loading them up with 3 plus hours of homework each night. He's 9 years old!

[@reerutherford6109]

@@mikeylikesit3393 okay yeah that’s true. I’m on spring break and I’ve just spent 4 hours on a packet with material my teacher hasn’t even touched on and with incomplete instructions. But I also agree with OP where if the parent is worried enough to go after the teacher for the grades then maybe the parent should prioritize.

[@TENNSUMITSUMA]

@RoastWorthy they can't do that for each and every single different kid! They don't have the time, or resources to do that! Kids aren't trying to learn, they're trying to go outside and play... or in today's day and age, social media!

[@TENNSUMITSUMA]

@RoastWorthy private school is irrelevant! The same points still stand.

[@TENNSUMITSUMA]

@RoastWorthy Why?! What relevance does my being for or against private schools have to do with anything?!

[@josephsmith594]

People are paid based on how much revenue their contribution generates. That’s why the CEO of a bank makes millions and the teacher who creates that CEO gets paid nothing.

[@mosijahi3096]

Don’t you think that should change?

[@diverman1023]

@@mosijahi3096it won’t ever change. The rise of AI instruction is only going to accelerate the decline of teaching

[@rashadpaige564]

Teachers' salary is disrespectful!

[@kevinerose]

No, their salary is fine. What is disrespectful is the amount of training required to do a base job. If they had the correct amount of training, then their salaries would equal salaries of other jobs requiring similar training. If a man has a Ph.D. in janitor work, he is still going to make a janitor's salary.

[@aluminumfoil770]

@@kevinerose pray tell genius, what is the right amount of training required to be a secondary school teacher, or a primary school teacher?

[@nuggets0717]

@@kevinerose you need a masters degree and certificate in most US states to teach at a high school level. That alone can cost tens of thousands of dollars conservatively. They are underpaid, period.

[@ericl3272]

@@nuggets0717 I think bachelor's is sufficient to teach high school and masters for college

[@nuggets0717]

@@ericl3272 I know for a fact where I live in NYS requires masters for high school teacher's certificate; I think it varies state to state though

[@ManCatCheese]

the US could easily increase teacher pay by just removing a minute percentage of what it spends on the military lmao

[@reecedrystek2992]

According to the OECD the US already spends more per pupil than any other country in the world except Liechtenstein. Please explain this then?

[@ManCatCheese]

@@reecedrystek2992 the money is obviously not being used efficiently if some teachers in the US have to work a second job. In Australia beginner teachers start at $73k and go up to over 100k. Senior teachers, high school teachers and other positions earn even more.

[@reecedrystek2992]

@@ManCatCheese That is my whole point that the US spends more on the education system than Australian, pays teachers less, and gets mediocre results at best. How can that even be possible? Your solution of reallocating money from defense to education doesn't even attempt to address the actual issue, and if you look at the current fact pattern would only appear to make the issue even worse. The segment hasn't answered a single question as to why this is. If you look at the empirical evidence it suggests a bloated bureaucracy and incompetence by school and government administration.

[@susanwright7682]

@@reecedrystek2992 a lot of students receive their medical care through the schools, plus healthcare is deducted through the employer versus the government

[@rebeccamcphink4625]

@Thor Odinson LOL say you hate teachers without saying you hate teachers

[@powerofk]

TL;DR: The biggest issue in education is that the experts (teachers themselves) are rarely consulted in what works and what is best for children. Instead, because many people seem to think it's a job that anyone can do (due to the history of education in the US), most decisions are made by lawmakers. Here's the thing - the US, when it comes to education, has a much different education system than most of the rest of the countries we're compared to. We are one of only a handful of countries that does not sort out our students at the end of 8th grade, and we were one of the first to provide specialized education services to children with disabilities that allow them to be in school with the general population. What I like to say is that when comparing the US to other countries, we're comparing a random bunch of apples with a group of apples that was specifically cultivated for excellence from the best seeds, best fertilizer, etc. What people don't tell you is that most major education decisions are not made by teachers - they're made by state and federal lawmakers. Most teachers know best practices, but are often handcuffed from using them due to initiatives imposed on us by politicians, both right-leaning and left-leaning. The testing fiasco from No Child Left Behind, while possibly well intentioned at first, actually ended up bringing test scores DOWN instead of up. Why? Because the insistence and focus on raising test scores in reading and math led to the cancellation of activities that actually promoted brain development in young children - play (at recess) and the arts. And it made the teaching of science (partially - still tested once every three years, but not used to grade schools) and social studies (including geography, history, etc.) pretty much extraneous in elementary school. As for Common Core - as much as people love to hate and throw conspiracy theories for Common Core, the original intent was simply for states to save money by being able to have a common test (and remember, yearly standards-based testing in reading and math was required by NCLB, and the development of these tests was a huge cost for the states, so it made sense for them to try to save money somehow). But to have a common test, they had to have common standards. But, like all well-intentioned things, it backfired - becoming nothing more than a cash windfall for Pearson Education, the publisher of PARCC (the common test developed for Common Core). Pearson now had a near-monopoly on testing... which allowed them to have a near-monopoly of textbook publishing.

[@tookie8888]

Agree with your post 100%

[@OneAdam12Adam]

You're absolutely right. I used to work for several textbook companies and witnessed Pearson buy up all them. Their products got worse not better.

[@ayansaid788]

When you take lawmakers out of the profession and let teachers make the decision then the education would be better since they teach the students and know whats best for them not politicans that don't the struggle teaching 30 kids or more with little funding and no authority over the students. Politics ruined education.

[@yourneighborhoodwierdo8349]

finally, a reply that isn't "death to amerikkka burn the flag"

[@powerofk]

@@yourneighborhoodwierdo8349 Thank you. I love my country. And yet, I truly believe that our country, every once in a while, needs to see how well our actions match our stated beliefs. I don't agree with the tactics (or even many of the beliefs) of those on the far left, nor the far right. However, I do believe that it would behoove us to look beyond the anger. Beyond the rhetoric. And beyond what they believe their stated goals are. And see that, in truth, there is a reason for why they feel angry and upset (and are thus easily manipulated - because the easiest person to manipulate is the person whose anger or desperation has clouded his/her thinking). Our country's history has been one where our actions have not always matched our stated beliefs, and yet we have worked tirelessly over the centuries to try to make our stated beliefs become a reality for all. Are we there yet? Probably not. Will we ever be? Almost certainly not. But are we better today than we were 50 years ago? 100? 150? At our country's founding? Most certainly. And will we continue to make improvements in the future? I certainly hope so.

[@Chelovyek]

As a former teacher, I have mixed feelings about this. Yes, many teachers are underpaid, but I've met some who were overpaid. Taking education courses should never be a substitute for solid training in history, math, foreign languages and English grammar. Secondly, I feel our society should take a much closer look at school administrators and their bloated salaries. Every citizen should check the salary schedule for their local school district and should demand to know the ratio of the number of students to the number of students.

[@kqa2893]

Early Childhood/Preschool teachers make even less!

[@MsBhappy]

It's unfortunately an easier job to find replacements for, less schooling/lower qualifications needed and quicker to train turnaround. The biggest issue is long term care and retirement homes where under and unqualified are hired with a lack of uniform education, pay and workplace safety and oversight.

[@kevinerose]

Do they make better than their babysitter counterparts?

[@kqa2893]

@@kevinerose preschool isn’t babysitting so yes they do make more, however some nannies make more than teachers. It’s ridiculous.

[@Pirategirl4nightwish]

@@MsBhappy Many preschool and daycare centers require a bachelors degree at a minimum, along with experience. There are a lot of under qualified people working with young children and they don’t always get the training they need from their employers. Low pay is a huge reason for turnover, especially when you have to buy materials for your classroom yourself.

[@Pirategirl4nightwish]

@@kevinerose I think it depends where you are. Some babysitters are paid $12-$15 per hour, which is about what a preschool teacher makes. But babysitters are often charging per child, which isn’t the case in a preschool. Babysitters also don’t usually bring their own supplies to the job.

[@JoseRojas-eu1oc]

I do agree that teachers deserve a better salary of their putting in their effort to help kids learn and be successful

[@micahcantu5905]

Especially if it’s a good school. My mom would work all day cook and then do more work and still got payed like every other teacher. It’s a shame

[@englishspeaker8179]

Not all

[@johncrow1412]

Public Schools do not teach you to be succcessful they teach you to get a job and become an employee

[@giixgiggidygao4569]

There’s a reason why America’s education system is ranked so low 😂

[@gamelaser8770]

27th out of 195 is “low”

[@johnharris6655]

Our education system is not so low, it is pretty good given we educate everyone, even if they are here illegally. Mandate resources for special ed students and give every one a chance to go to college. In some countries by age 12 you are either on a college track or some sort of trade program. The Problem with American education liberals will not stop using it as a lab to test out new ways to engineer society.

[@gcc2313]

GameLaser you realize that it has dipped significantly. So it’s seems like they’re not on the right track. Despite having such a high gdp per capita. That’s really strange and almost sad.

[@gcc2313]

John Harris I swear Americans are on another level of let’s blame the other side for everything. With this extreme party identification they can’t stop mentioning, as if either side cares for the people. Both sides have had opportunities to improve and both sides have done good and bad things. There have been improvements in education during liberal terms as well. Maybe people should take more accountability and just work together. Because the rest of the world is getting really tired of constantly hearing y’all’s “this group vs that group” bs.

[@jjohnson01]

Actually if I remember correctly a increase in spending didnt increase grades. But yes, "America bad jajaja". Where do you live my guy?

[@Alldayanyday1OnThePS4]

I think the best way to help improve the pay rate for teachers is start their pay rate at the normal pay rate on their first year. Every year they stay they should get a raise by 5%, and another raise based off their performance (behavioral, emotional, and knowledgeably towards their students and school). The reason I say this is because I know teachers who have their masters but are some of the worst educators, yet those who had just received their bachelor and even those who are assistant teachers are much better educators. Teaching is extremely important and having amazing teachers is even more important. Having a higher pay rate and more benefits for teachers would allow more teachers to stay in that field.

[@johngore7744]

My Dad was a high school vice principal in Montreal in the 1960s-80s and used to go on Administers conventions around the US and was always appalled at the lousy salaries of his American counter parts. America wake up please. On so many levels. You could be so good.

[@1m2rich]

The top 1% have it all. There is little left for the rest of us.

[@jameshusentoff2953]

Principals barely do anything. The school administrators are over paid.

[@Katiene8246]

@@jameshusentoff2953 LOL yeah okay bud

[@jameshusentoff2953]

@@Katiene8246 the principal at my private school didn’t do anything. It’s much more difficult to be a teacher than a principal.

[@tylercooper1551]

The amount of time, energy, funds, etc, that my mom put into her job as a teacher told me that I could not be a teacher... I wanted to since childhood but once in highschool then college I saw what she went through and I said nope, nevermind

[@sambotros1918]

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[@1m2rich]

Many professions put in long hours, little vacation, little pay, etc. Mostly women doing it.

[@tylercooper1551]

@@1m2rich women do seem to have more patience

[@123fourfive5]

I remember staying at after school care and watching teachers leave at 6-7pm. School finished at 3. Teachers really are underrated.

[@benb1103]

I’m a first yr high school teacher and this is me. I try to leave on time 4:20 but with grades and emails from student throughout the day plus meeting that sometimes start at 4:30 in to 5 or later. I try not to bring work home because i have a family a husband and a 3 yr old to tend to.

[@lindawylie4182]

@@benb1103 , even after 34 years I was still putting in those hours. I don’t know how those young parents like you even do it !,

[@Meton2526]

Teachers are the most overrated profession in contemporary society. For 80% of students they're over-glorified babysitters, and of the 20% that can benefit from teachers, most of them are matched with bad teachers that don't help them.

[@marylawrence2218]

@@Meton2526 do you have any source for those statistics, friend?

[@Meton2526]

@@marylawrence2218 First hand experience. Granted the sample size is pretty low, but throughout the entirety of my public schooling, that's what I saw. Teachers were even then nothing more than babysitters and helped tutor the few kids that couldn't learn from the book. Now with the internet and resources like Khan Academy, it's probably even more skewed against teachers.

[@Brittnie946]

That’s so crazy I’m a dental assistant went to a 9month trade school. I’m 4yrs in and make 55,000. It’s disgusting how they are treating teachers we wouldn’t have doctors,lawyers,managers, or nurses if it wasn’t for them!

[@orbitalpotato9940]

If you pay teachers too little, their quality of teaching decreases.

[@drew2c659]

Or they leave the profession because they cannot sustain themselves or their families with the terrible pay

[@johnathin0061892]

Make their pay based on MERIT. The better they teach, the more they should be paid.

[@kadoodledo]

It’s the cycle. Lower wages=less quality teaching. Less quality teaching=worse school experience of the next generation. Lower appreciation of teachers=lowering the teacher’s wage.

[@iseenargles13]

@@johnathin0061892 but how do you accurately assess teachers' effectiveness? I'm not saying it's impossible, I just haven't seen a way that has been implemented that would be fair. If we're going on test scores, then I guess me and every other urban teacher is screwed. I teach in a high poverty area. I do all I can to fill in achievement gaps, but between food insecurity, trauma, lack of prior knowledge and overall apathy due to no one pushing them to achieve better at home, my overall score will never be as high as neighboring districts. If it's evaluative, how can you be sure you have an unbiased evaluator? And is the teacher then just only teaching well that day when they're being evaluated? Portfolio system is probably the most effective, but what if you have an overall lower group one year? Will my pay be affected? I agree in accountability. I hate seeing lazy teachers or ones who don't care keep their jobs because most of my colleagues and I bust our assess. I'm just not sure what the best solution is.

[@RumblesBettr]

If you pay them too much alot will get into it for the easy money and only working 185-200 days a year

[@everettlegler4208]

government that is unrealistic and doesn’t update payscales with cost of living

[@louisdzialo9990]

because of regulatory capture say it with me

[@allstarwoo4]

Even then it’s mostly people don’t want to vote for it. People think minimum wage is bs because of supply and demand. But then every couple of years there’s a strike and minimum wage goes up.

[@JackieDoesStuff]

@@allstarwoo4 national minimum wage has been at 7.25 since 2009

[@allstarwoo4]

@@JackieDoesStuff at state level, I should've specified.

[@myghkl]

This doesn't answer the question, "WHY are teachers paid so little?" Elected officials, when dividing up revenue that doesn't increase at the rate of population in their districts, know that reducing crime rates is a much better strategy for reelection than trying to track the success of high school graduates over 6-10 years. Delaying or neglecting investment in education is also better, politically, than neglecting the demands of members of chambers of commerce.

[@food7479]

I mean I can understand it to a degree.From my personal experience US teachers aren't as skilled as those from other countries. This is rather subjective and based on my experience alone, but I just felt like that the teachers in Helsinki and Germany were better compared to mine in the US. Not just in how they taught but also in their general skills and knowledge. In the US I had a CS teacher before moving back to germany, that didn't even have a basic grasp on complex numbers, something like that would be fired in the other countries. Like I said, all very subjective. But I can understand.

[@zacwoods]

The issue 9.9/10 times ISNT what these people make in salary. Its the debt they put themselves in BEFORE acquiring their career job that is the issue. Car payments, student loans etc. The vast majority of the time they ARE making living wages its just after they pay some of their debt off every month they dont and that has nothing to do with the school system nor is it the system’s fault.

[@RoyeReedBenjamin]

@@food7479 I do not doubt your observation, but I think the direction of causality goes the other way. Teaching has been known to be a poorly paid profession for decades. That fact has pushed many of the most capable people away from the field.

[@sambotros1918]

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[@myghkl]

@@zacwoods Okay, setting blame aside, it sounds like you're suggesting people shouldn't get into teaching unless they're financially independent enough to not have to take out loans for essentials to the profession (a master's degree) and essentials to living life above the poverty level. Can you imagine how reduced the pool of teaching candidates would become if your argument obtained?

[@Green-Andy]

Teachers/educator should be one of the highest paid professions. No reason why they shouldn't.

[@mylesgray3470]

And pro athletes should not make even close to what they make playing a GAME. I’ve found wages are nearly 100% supply and demand driven and hard jobs don’t pay more if there is a surplus of people trained and ready to do them. A lot of kids choose to be a teacher because that’s a job they are familiar with from school.