FPX S9's Best? Who was S4's Best? Worlds Winner vs. Best - Thorin's Thoughts - League of Legends

[@JennyDarukat]

one of the very few creators whose content gets better with sponsors, man I missed these kinds of intros

[@KleinpeterHank]

Lil’ Thorin with the straight fire intros.

[@wilkinlow]

Lmao I'm so dead

[@duskDrifter_]

God, how i missed these intros.

[@borofreak]

I miss the Alpha Draft days.

[@benkyung4894]

what thorin said about 2017 SKT hurt so much. the trauma of bang dragging the team down that finals came back up.

[@matsum2332]

don't remind me

[@Shadow_Master55]

That intro just made my day 🤣

[@Shadow_Master55]

Also, where would you rank the C9 run of season 8?

[@ColonelMeteorz]

FPX finished first both regular splits, they shouldve versed iG in spring finals but Zoom said no, imp was on form and mLWXg was getting caught a lot. And the sad part is they put zoom on tank duty when jdg vs iG. But thats a massive what if fpx vs iG in finals. FPX were designed to beat iG, if fpx beat iG. They couldve went on to MSI won it, atleast not lose to TL and then no one complains.

[@thunderbolt1213984]

Hard agree on this. I think thorin kinda forgot the context around FPXs spring 2019 performance since they didnt end up at msi. To be fair though, he was going through 8 years of league, so I think its forgivable to miss represent just one thing

[@Waterfiendz]

Also super agree, I think people forget how dominant FPX was in LPL that year. Had some of the most dominant stats AND eye test performances the region had ever seen till that point.

[@IxRide]

But IG then stomped through the MSI Group stage and beat everyone, yet G2 won the entire tournament. If u think going 9-1 in groups is better than winning the title itself then FPX might be the better team over the the whole year. But if the title is worth more than G2 definitely is better since they only lost 1 bo5 in the whole year and won everything there is.

[@thunderbolt1213984]

@@IxRide ill say this again, fpx also only lost a single bo5 the whole year. They also play in a harder league then g2. Fpx also won multiple championship that year and one of those is worlds. I dont think its unreasonable to say fpx was the best team of the year

[@emilsvensson9495]

That faker lb game into full counter with morg mid at msi finals is so sick. He ended up doing most dmg and almost carrying marin and bang who shat the bed.

[@nikitamarynich1794]

Very good video for people like me who only started watching in S8, giving a bit of context and history lesson.

[@ade1174]

I agree with your analysis overall but I think FPX was the best team in the World in 2019. They went 17-1 in LPL Summer 2019 on their way to the LPL title before winning Worlds.

[@press_x_tojason]

That's definitely one that can go either way for me. G2 being much better in Summer but coming up just short at Worlds is a tough comparison in value.

[@thunderbolt1213984]

And its not like FPX was shit in spring either. They were first in the regular season, and only lost one close Bo5 2-3 to JDG. I agree, FPX is still my pick for boty even if its really close

[@Iznikroc]

Thorin throwing more shade at TSM than the dark side of the moon, i love it.

[@Peanutz4life]

god tier intros

[@ricardoosegueda9286]

Few people can quote Aristotle when discussing League of Legends and make sponsored content actually fun to watch, Thorin is killing it.

[@PassivesAbseits]

The best team never ever won Worlds... the best team finished 0-6 at Worlds this year. Which is, as a first seed, a much harder task then winning Worlds...

[@aashnankhan4904]

The pinnacle of LoL Esports dad jokes is the the intro.

[@Shiriusa]

you should have your own award show in the offseason, this is a topic that always comes up after worlds

[@zexionpwnsvexenXD]

FPX was the best team in S9. 1st in the regular season in spring in the world’s best region, and it took Zoom having the series of his career-the rest of which is quite great btw-to stop them in playoffs. They do even better in summer and only drop one bo3, and then they run through playoffs to become champions. Follow all of this by winning worlds. I really think they only look weaker from a few bo1’s in the Worlds Group stage.

[@PassivesAbseits]

LoL is just weird. Somehow both of these Statements are true: Samsung White was one of the most dominant team ever. And: Samsung White wasnt even the best team overall in Season 4... But in hindsight almost everyone forgets, that SSW was only truely dominant on one patch. Which is always the story of Worlds: The team that figures out how to play on that certain patch, wins the tournament. And that team often times looks insanly good, even though they didnt do much all year... This is actually a real problem. Because being good in Spring doesnt help you much, when the Worlds Meta can look completly different...

[@ajmamora6332]

Unless your SKT

[@PassivesAbseits]

@@ajmamora6332 especially when you are SKT... They tried to power through after Season 3 Worlds, played a perfect Winter and then basically collapsed in Season 4. Ever since then, they often time take of entire Patches during the regular season... and only won Summer twice since Season 3, but reached 3 World Finals, winning 2. Once when they went into loadmanagement mode with Easyhoon... the other time after finishing the regular season only in 4th place. Just remember how often SKT finished like 4th during Summer Regular Season and did just enough to secure their spot at Worlds. I always believed, that that was somewhat intentional. Like I actually remember SKT completly sucking for an entire patch in 2016, randomly loosing to bottom LCK teams all of a sudden... and everyone was like "What is wrong with SKT?" and I was like "They are taking their anual break from mastering the game... That was the phase when Wolf even forgot how to pick a skin... and yet they won Worlds a couple of patches later... So yeah, SKT used to be the best team at getting themselve into peak form when it matters, but laying back when it didnt.

[@mminette]

Gotta disagree with the IG take on s8, they went 18:1 in both regular seasons and stepped up in worlds. The kt bo5 was close to a 3-0 sweep and the only big lose they had was against fnc in groups, but after groups they looked miles ahead of every other team.

[@Lunarday87]

As an IG fan it's hard to think what would have happened if Griffin made worlds in 18.

[@Thooorin]

Weird how after going 18:1 you just skipped straight to the Worlds quarters with no mention of how they did in the LPL play-offs or Worlds group stage. Almost like you're a disingenuous fanboy making no attempt at accurate historical context.

[@Lunarday87]

@@Thooorin they took RNG to 5 games in summer finals, and spring quarter finals, but let's skip over facts and cherry pick results from the server

[@thunderbolt1213984]

@@Lunarday87 I think you could even make the argument that since it was RNG in both their bo5 loses that IG were the best team and they just uad an RNG weakness. Plus IG showed their performance to FNC in the group was more of a fluke when they crushed them in the finals. Im not 100% convinced, since no domestic and no msi titles is a pretty bad mark, but i may lean towards IG as well

[@chrisk1039]

It feels odd to me to just hand G2 S9's team of the year considering their inability to play against Chinese teams; you could definitely argue going into MSI finals that had TL not upset IG that IG would've been favored to beat G2, and you could also argue that IG wasn't even the best team in China, and got lucky that JDG kinda fluked a Bo5 win against FPX in the semis of the LPL spring playoffs. LEC titles have always been worth less to me than LPL and LCK titles throughout the years (being as there were only really 2 great teams in LEC, and 2019 FNC was a shell of the 2018 LEC rivalry teams, despite making quarters, they did it over Clutch gaming, and an RNG team that didn't look great to me). So while G2 has the "results" to back up being team of the year, having won LEC Spring, MSI LEC Summer and 2nd at words 2019; There was little point that year that I felt as though they were undisputedly kings. MSI was tainted by them going 5-5 in groups (losing 0-2 to PVB and IG no less) beating SKT in a close 5 game series that imo could've gone either way, and then beating TL, who ALSO didn't do great in groups. The teams in the finals of that MSI combined for a losing record in the group stage, with 9 wins 11 loses. That doesn't scream to me the level of dominance that I would expect from a team of the year that had so little discussion revolving around it. Couple that with the fact that G2 may have won both splits, but beating FNC 3-2 twice in summer also wasn't exactly a display of dominance of their own region (in spring G2 hard bodied OG, dominance displayed) The issue I have though is that I don't know what other team could be in the discussion; FPX won worlds (Beating G2 VERY convincingly in the finals); but ran into JDG's miracle run to the finals in spring, in a format which allows a team to build momentum before ever facing an opponent which I think can lead to more upsets than a standard 1st place plays 8th place bracket; which robbed them the chance of cementing themselves as the team of the year by winning MSI; they didn't even get the opportunity to. However they were the number 1 team in the regular season, and were the favorites going into playoffs. In summer they absolutely RAN the LPL, going 29-4 in regular season and only dropping 2 games in playoffs for a final record of 35-6; they then had a shakey group stage but still came out in 1st, and then ran the worlds bracket, smashing griffin, beating the defending world champion and dumpstered G2 in the finals. It feels very odd to me that in some ways, both G2 and FPX had 1 "bad" series the entire year, it's just that FPX's cost them the chance to go to MSI, while G2's cost them the world trophy; but G2 gets very heavily rewarded in this scenario, despite looking worse overall looking at the composite of every B05 the two teams played on the year. G2's B05 game win rate on the year was 66.6% at 24-12 (as a result of them winning 3 separate series 3-2; and losing 0-3 in the finals to FPX). FPX on the other hand had 20 wins and 8 loses in B05's for a win percentage of 71.43% (They lost 1 series 2-3; and won every other series 3-1 or 3-0) If we only count their series wins to show how "dominant" they were, G2 was 24-9 and FPX was 18-5, so G2 had a 72.72% winrate and FPX had a 78.3%. In terms of total game count (regular season MSI and worlds all included); FPX was 82-22 on the season, while G2 were 62-25, so FPX had an overall winrate of 78.85% while G2's was 71.26%. In the end It comes down to how much you weigh MSI appearances and winning; especially if you think beating the tournament favorite counts for "more". G2 competed in almost inarguably a weaker region, fought a weaker region than they should've for their international trophy; avoided the "dominant" region of the era until the finals at worlds, and then lost there. In a year where they failed to win a single game against what was perceived to be the best region in the world, it feels strange to me to name them as the "best" for the year, and slightly disingenuous to just how good that FPX lineup was throughout that year. If in the end you still think G2 ends up with the crown because of the MSI win then hey; fair enough, but I felt as though the context of that FPX team deserved to get talked about a bit more; and honestly that would be a deep dive topic I'd be interested in hearing more about.

[@ThePolarpop]

Man very well spoken and too factually backed up to say youre incorrect, at minimum definitely some bias of what thorin rates highly vs lowly there for those 2 teams and deserved more talking at the least.

[@anxiety9z]

0 mistake dude that's well said.

[@randyroo2]

This sounds a lot like the tennis ATP ranking system where winning a grand slam doesn't necesarily make you number 1 in the world. Instead number 1 position is determined by the accumulated results over the past year compared to other players. We need more international events. Maybe riot could add a pre-season tournament and/or a champions league. also for international experience it would be beneficial and interesting to see events for the mid table teams similar to the uefa to see how they stack up against each other.

[@thunderbolt1213984]

I think I have a different opinion on best team of the year for s9. Id actually have to agree with the level 1 opinion of FPX being the best team for the whole year. They were a pretty dominant team for both spring and summer regular splits. They choked a close 3-2 best of 5 to JDG during the spring finals which kept us from seeing them at MSI. And remember, fpx was a much more stable team then IG. I think if fpx went to msi, we wouldn't have seen that team choke to team liquid. That best of 5 is the only series they lost all year. Plus the fact that they so utterly fucked G2 in the world finals means Im pretty comfortable putting them as the best team all year. Im not comfortable giving it to a team that FPX railed in the head to head just cause they lost a single best of 5. I get you could argue that G2 only loses the head 2 head cause of a bad style matchup to FPX, but id still take fxp over g2 in a bunch of matchups against other top teams that year. I know fpx also had a weakish groups showing, but id just insert the normal groups excuses (bo1, new meta and tourny, hiding shit, not taking it seriously, bla bla bla) Still, its not outrageous to want the best team to go to g2

[@mylastaccount8328]

See that’s where I think your wrong I think skt was the better overall team, I think match ups were massive though. I think g2 just had skts number due to the match up, but if skt were to beat g2 then I think skt beat fpx

[@ZimzamsXD]

The irony is that the finals was the first time that year that FPX had gone 3-0 in a Bo5. Sure they were regular season monsters in the LPL, but the main criticism / talking point about them was whether or not they'd choke under pressure. Historically DoinB teams have had a tendency to do this in the LPL, get to playoffs as favorites/strong contenders but not win when it counts. Like you said in spring they were upset by JDG, and then even in summer they didnt play clean series either. Even at worlds they never really looked like a dominant clear favorite until game 2 of finals had been played. They dropped games all over the place, losing to J team of all things in group and having to tiebreak splyce for 1st.

[@thunderbolt1213984]

@@mylastaccount8328 i dont think thats an unreasonable take. I would have worried that skt team wouldnt have been able to break doinb due to the worlds midlane meta. Either way, i dont think theres a clear best team in the world that year.

[@thunderbolt1213984]

@@ZimzamsXD I think this argument is a little disingenuous. FPX went 3-1 vs rng in china amd 3-1 vs ig and fnc at worlds. I get that they never gave off overwhelming dominance in playoffs. But i feel like that perception is due to 2 things: their dominance in regular season and their playstyle. They didnt have a faker or caps or uzi, but they had some of the best skirmish and midgame decision making id ever seen. Like doinb had problems in past teams with bo5s but to say fpx was pleagued by them feels wrong to me. And also remember that all the top teams that year had things you could point out as "looking shaky". Skt had moments where players wouldnt show up. G2 loved to int every so often, rngs mid was kinda shitting the bed, and ig had a bearly sentiant ward in the jungle (for a top team at least). I still think I can call FPX the best the that year

[@ZimzamsXD]

@@thunderbolt1213984 Well the point of "they didnt have a top player" when we are talking about the best team in the world, isnt exactly a selling point is it? Id agree it is hard to argue that FPX werent the best team at worlds. That YEAR you can then start to formulate an argument for G2 through their clutch factor etc. But again, this is an odd case where , while fpx were certainly strong, the stars also aligned perfectly for them. They had about as easy a groups + bracket draw as you can realistically get, they lucked into a very favorable meta, there was no uber strong seemingly unbeatable opponent, and they had the worlds song buff (lol). In other years you could change some of these factors and the best team would still probably be the best. Not so in 2019.

[@coryjohnson6965]

Eye test told me Suning was the best Chinese team after 2nd group stage game. Eye test also told me HotshotGG was the best top laner in the world. We win some and lose some when we trust our own ability to predict the future.

[@christhis9597]

Without watching the whole video: Was g2 the best team in 2019?? Cause it sure felt like that. Fpx was not even on my radar

[@nathanharris8896]

Eh, SKT might have been the best team. FPX said that SKT was wrecking them in scrims and they knew worlds was free when G2 beat SKT. It could have been a rock paper scissors setup though.

[@kemvaros5031]

Holy fuck that intro was fire

[@Ghosty4k]

Need some more thorin with french accent pap pap woop woop :D

[@finis6368]

RIP KT😭

[@jorocinak1238]

Tha't intro was so fucking funny XD

[@cwins10]

we're 10 seconds in and im considering going back to the sponsor to spend actual money instead of just leeching the free sample

[@Woodrow512]

Even when the video isn't about TSM he finds a way to bash them in the sponsor spot. What a fucking legend hahahaha

[@Magni87]

Oh my fucking god! The FIRE intro's are BACK!!!!

[@Tannerd101]

did you just rap to us at the start, if so, I liked it.

[@nathanaelsallhageriksson1719]

I believe that people find it hard to recognize wester talent compared to eastern talent in League cause of the history of the ressults. And taht is especially true in 2019, way to much I've heard "FPX have been goating it since 2019, they beat G2 3-0, not even clsoe" etc. But even though IDK who would've been the best team that year definatly, giving 2019 G2 the recognition of greatness they desserve is soemthign I think is valuable to do.

[@keiikeiitv7707]

FPX if i remember nobody likes that team at that time everybody was super biased with RNG and iG who was very inconsistent thats why they flop vs TL, FPX was the best but nobody care about them they just do their thing and won xD. 2018 RNG was in the spotlight but iG was strong similar to top and dwg thing. I agree with the rest.

[@Mr123aussie]

The thing is for s9, fpx had insane regular season runs. Yes, they lost spring playoffs whereas g2 won spring playoffs, but winning worlds more than makes up for that. As far as msi, credit to g2 but it's hard to compare them on that since fpx weren't there. For my mind fpx were the best team of the year

[@Wizardi1111]

I'm just here for the intros

[@pumpernickel1955]

upvoting just for the intro

[@einer1314]

You mention teams getting lucky brackets, but totally ignore that for G2 for season 9. The only reason they won MSI is because they didn't face a Chinese team in the bracket. Hard to pick a team of the year for season 9, but if it's a team that went 0-5 against Chinese teams and 0-2 against Vietnam teams, that's a pretty sorry format to decide the best team.

[@ramzibouderrah7425]

Malding

[@siciliandragon4675]

The Best team of 2019 was FPX.... They played beautifully at rift rivals and won worlds ...

[@ramzibouderrah7425]

@@siciliandragon4675 delusional

[@siciliandragon4675]

@@ramzibouderrah7425 Malding .

[@myweapons8445]

That intro dude, so funny :P

[@Mr-fe5ng]

Intro hot fire, its Thorinspear

[@tahlwyn8610]

S9... G2 best team of the year, arguably the best team in the world? I will take that... *sheds a tear in the corner over the worlds final*

[@fernandobarrantes240]

This is such an interesting topic. And Thorin makes really good points as always. Luv it

[@kdkwan7016]

S1 FNC win with "adc+sup" bot strategy S2 TPA win with 4-1 split push S4 SSW win with Mata+Dandy duo jungle invade and heavy warding S8 iG win with heavy early turret dive S9 FPX win with mid-jungle duo roam There will always be some teams win with big brain.

[@ajmamora6332]

And SKT just Wins

[@helloimgigaszef6807]

S1 FNC win with shusei's alistar, gragas full ap

[@werwar27]

You went over MSI 2015 too fast. Maybe this isnt a popular opinion but I always saw that match 5 as a highlight of Fakers excellence and the insane EDG counter draft. The drafting game was insane and very smart to bait fakers LB, but faker SOMEHOW managing to make that work only for the rest of his team to fail. I think this was also where we first saw Bang's tendency to crumble under pressure (that in 2017 or 18? cost them titles) its probably my favourite game 5 ever

[@TheGarouKami]

Thorin take a sip from the anime shaker bottle and i shall buy up

[@_ketosucks1355]

Good Thorin Tuesday Video :)

[@MrReese]

Ouch, choosing SS Blue over SS White, that one is a hot take :D.

[@ajmamora6332]

SSB was better all year though until they face SSW in semis lmao

[@_veikkomies]

What is the difference between "the best team of the year" and "the best team in the world"? If you're the best team in the world are you not by extension the best team of the year? Or vice versa? (When talking about specific seasons, like SKT in S5). Is it that the best team of the year is more to do with the actual achievements and wins and best team in the world more so about the eyetest?

[@LordKeram]

This is the reason why in after the last 3 worlds all I was feeling is: "Is this it?" I often don't even watch finals live as they almost never contain the two best teams and have one huge favorite. It is becoming more and more obvious that the format Riot is pushing onto us is unsustainable. God how great would it be to see the playoff teams play 3 tournaments instead. How many great matchups would we see? How dominant would a team have to be to win them all? What adaptation would come out of certain teams? What storylines of certain team matchups would develop?

[@thunderbolt1213984]

Yeah, coming from the fgc and tennis world, year round tournament series are amazing. Wish league kept its season 2 structure but just had points teams could accrue at tournys that qualified you for worlds (a little like tennis does)

[@ThomasMueller999]

Fpx was the best team by any regard.

[@LordKeram]

@@ThomasMueller999 You typed few words, but spoke so much.

[@thunderbolt1213984]

@@ThomasMueller999 by ANY regard? Dog i agree that fpx was the best team, but thats kinda language i think belongs to the dumb normies. Like in ANY regard do you mean all parts of game play? Cause fpx had like the 8th best top laner at worlds so thats not true. Do you mean in accolades cause even in the video thorin points out that g2 technically won more titles that year than fpx. I just hate that we cant defend this opinion without resorting to terrible language and rhetoric

[@Snootz86]

The plebs wont get it.. even Alex Ferguson said winning the Champions league required a decent bit of luck.. football remains relatively the same.. LOL on the other hand changes every week and teams are at the whims of the developers.. Jungle went from practically useless in spring (especially early/mid).. to being OP and a massive deal in summer. Overall G2 were the best team in 2019 one b05 doesnt change that.. does anyone believe FPX would win worlds in a mid/top flex meta with OP champs (i.e MSI 2019)??

[@thunderbolt1213984]

Ill take this one. Yes, I think FPX would have won msi that year if they went. I know no one watches lpl, but fpx looked hella good in spring 2019. They were 1st place coming out of regulat season and lost 1 bo5 2-3 to a good JDG team. I think the pendulum swong to far in the direction of doinb cant play anything but tanks. I think the strength of that teams jungle support duo would have meant they could ha e completed with g2 at msi. Dont know if they would have stomped g2 as hard as they did at wolrds, but i thunk theyd still win

[@jasperlost6912]

*Thorin does Intro* Me: Chiiil Thorin 😂😂 but don't actually 🤣🤣

[@tomshumate3940]

MSI is just trash for setting these things up though... I agree with everything, every pick except IG. They go 18-1 in Spring Regular season, lose 2-3 to RNG in semis who won MSI dominantly. They lose in the 3rd place match in a meaningless game, then they go 18-1 again in Summer, make it to finals and lose 2-3 to RNG again. These guys were two games, not series, games from ending the entire year in the strongest region in the world 40-2 (those are all series, not games) and being Spring champs, MSI Champs and Summer Champs. And you say there's NO way they were the best team in the world after beating KT G2 and Fnatic... They were my pick to win worlds going into the tournament and I don't pick upsets. Almost definitely most dominant team of the year, maybe RNG but idk MSI just needs to invite more teams for this conversation to mean anything at all.

[@nc_aravindan]

Can't agree with 2018 rng. There's no excuse for not getting out of groups and then still being called the best team. But idk who else to say though.

[@sedaw3261]

This is a weird argument, since in many sports we see teams win the biggest tournament even though some other team(s) were certainly better or more dominant throughout the whole year, or season. But regardless, before I watch, here's how I look at it: - Season 10 best team was Damwon, won Worlds. - Season 9 best team was G2, didn't win Worlds. - Season 8 best team was RNG/KT, didn't win Worlds. - Season 7 best team was Longzhu, didn't win Worlds. - Season 6 best team was ROX, didn't win Worlds. - Season 5 best team was SKT, won Worlds. - Season 4 best team was SSB, didn't win Worlds. - Season 3 best team was SKT, won Worlds. - Season 2 best team was M5/AF, didn't win Worlds. (Didn't watch season 1) Edit: Holy shit, agreeing with Thorin feels weird :p

[@AmExxYT]

I don't feel like G2 was best in s9 and i don't feel like ROX was best in season 6 agree with everything else tho.

[@IxRide]

@@AmExxYT who was better in s9 than G2?

[@larzarus1234]

Team that wins worlds is the best :). Don't bother to reply.

[@MonadProxy01]

So, when is your first mixtape dropping?

[@McGliga]

I can see where Thorin is coming from in this one, it makes sense that just winning one tournament doesn't make you the best team in the world, however, i would counter that just by saying that the entire system of league torunaments is just beyond retarded. Yea IG in 2018 didn't play MSI, but that's because MSI only allows the winners of each respective region to play. If the system wasn't fucking idiotic, maybe IG make MSI, and then WIN IT, thereby having the only two international titles available in the given year, so even if they can't win domestically, internationally speaking they'd still be the best team.The lack of international play in League is a massive issue imo, and potentially the main reason developing regions like the South American ones or the CIS can't hit their peak, because they just never get to play some of the world's best

[@Braddropsnoobs]

World Elite in season 2 could also be argued for?

[@Lolking9]

no way s9 best team was G2......... according to your own logic they were not even best team in 2018 MSI, they were only better than SKT or they know how to counter play SKT or TL. They even lost both games to Phong Vu buffalo and IG. IG had the best result in MSI and were able to beat SKT in record breaking time. G2 never won IG in MSI(IG 9-1). G2 in worlds that year same story, they were thrown down by Griffen, again they were able to beat SKT( only real achievement), lost to again chinese team. If they would have meat IG instead of Damwon gaming story would be so simple and easy. G2 was the luckiest team in 2019. G2 only showed up in play offs, there over all performance of that year was just above avg.

[@taelongx]

MSC had an interesting bracket system but it didn’t count? o.o LPL teams were pretty dominant in that tourney

[@moldveien1515]

Think it is more that it doesnt represent the asian regions so you cant give it as high importance as a true global tournament like msi

[@ColonelMeteorz]

@The Teamx what fraud way? by the shitty single round robin b01 group stage thats just like worlds? Or the standardise 60 ping?

[@sriraamsritharan4691]

@@ColonelMeteorz worlds is double round

[@валерийножкин-ф8у]

Yeah let's ignore Fpx winning summer 2019 and finishing top 3 spring 2019. Btw RNG was 5th in spring.

[@feature8]

How is G2 best team of 2019 , FPX were the best, 3rd place spring, dunk summer in a way tougher year then blow up the bracket stage, and humiliate G2 in the world finals, just because you won MSI doesn't make G2 the Best team of the year.

[@Nebrophonus93]

They won both splits and MSI and got to the finals at Worlds. Easily best team of the Year

[@sashin2661]

@@Nebrophonus93 dont say that they "won both splits" like winning a split in LEC is the same thing as winning an LPL split, like ofc they won the only competition they could possibly have was FNC and even then they were on paper way better than them.

[@bradbrad090]

Fuckkkk the intros are so spicy

[@bradbrad090]

Legit re-started and listened to the intro twice

[@itemtest1]

Thorin on another level compared to others :)

[@dylancummings5033]

Fucking amazing intro

[@joshsirmans4624]

Team Siren is the best team every season

[@faketruth7740]

WTF did I just watch... Saying IG wasn't the best team in 2018 just because they lost the 5th game to RNG in lpl summer final is just dumb, even through the eye test, IG was able to play carry style through all 3 lanes while RNG was only able to play through bot with UZI which was very exploitable as you can tell when they get hard camp bot at worlds. FPX bitch slapped G2 in one of the quickest bo5 series at world and were extremely dominating in LPL and you still count them out.

[@diet6047]

What is that outro music?

[@brain_tonic]

Ken Theme from Street Fighter 5.

[@Altunuzraids]

2012 Moscow 5 2013 Skt (maybe even Najin) 2014 SSW 2015 Skt 2016 SKT 2017 Skt 2018 iG 2019 SKT 2020 DWG Helped you out

[@Fel7639]

IG was easily the best team of 2018. Did you see their record post season? Or the fact they couldnt play The Shy in 2018 summer playoffs...... Fpx Almost annihlated 2019 spring and and then did summer season. They lost in 2019 spring playoffs in an upset.......Onto 2020. Its stings but TOP/JDG was definitely best of the year but damwon was the defacto best team in worlds. If not for MSC and damwons change of approach towards the game I think Worlds would've turned out vastly different. In my opinion both JDG and TOP slumped, along with sunning over preforming hence the results of the bracket. The meta favored JDG's playstyle heavily yet they failed at quarters in a serious upset....

[@Dylan-lh1zj]

let em have it duncan

[@vegetaroronoa2660]

God tier intros

[@liborsysel2234]

One of your best videos Thanks

[@team3am149]

The most nonsensical video Thorin has ever put out.

[@anakinskywalker212]

SSW def the best team to ever win

[@MunkysKantSpel]

Spicy best already xD

[@theroyal908]

Saying G2 was team of the year over FPX is super biased.

[@imscuffed3601]

Season 7 faker is 2018 LeBron. Shit team but still made it to the finals and got swept.

[@juxtapose9500]

Didn't get passed the intro soz

[@EELLIEK]

I fucking hate thorin but I liked the video just off that intro.

[@FailMachineInc]

straight fire

[@domikatz]

Griffin 2018 Spring I think was peak league of legends.

[@candygender]

For me its the Marin, Faker team

[@anakinskywalker212]

Idk if that skt team even makes worlds if all the legendary Korean players go to china after s4. SKT T1 S AND T1 K were both getting slapped up by both Samsung teams and every1 else

[@First8116]

My God that intro. Some 🍑 got 👏👏👏👏!! Straight up 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@younghuynh6930]

2:30

[@themlgbrosftw4960]

That intro makes me wanna buy some

[@Monotheist137]

Please remove bwipo and ls from black list

[@sumo7101]

Fire intro but that g2 bias is crazy. FPX easily shit on g2 and the won chinese summer finals. Was the best chinese regular season team for the whole year. Idgaf about lec titles compared to lpl and definitely not msi compared to worlds final. If it was 3-2 maybe 3-1. They got 3-0 dogged

[@cepheus9856]

As usual G2 biased video. I think FPX was really good entire year even if they didn't win Spring, this is because Thorin doesn't even watch LPL regular season. FPX and IG are still better teams than G2. How is wrecking LEC even impressive when competition in LPL is way tougher? I see no world where G2 beats IG, even slumping IG, when G2 always loses to teams with better topside, meaning top, jg, mid. If that guy, GRF Sword can fk Wunder on the arse going 7/0 on Jayce, what would TheShy do to him? oh right you think with your biased brain TheShy is shit, and Wunder is somehow a "God". Even Gimgoon was better than Wunder in the entire Worlds run. G2's weakest players at Worlds has always been Top and Jungle, 2 years in a row. Not even Perkz. I mean ask Rookie who even said the same thing. Just watch Wunder play Camille so averagely, always carried by Caps TF (which is supposed to be a busted duo Camille TF, watch and compare him to Zoom and Bin Camille, not even close) and how bad he played Renekton 1-4 at Worlds, losing on winning match ups vs Gimgoon and Nuguri. Wunder becoming so useless once DWG banned tanks. I haven't even started yet on Jankos, he was jus uncomfortable on all carry junglers and carried no shit, it was still Caps. But of course, your biased anti Caps brain, will always think every G2 loss is somehow on Caps.

[@andreashallner8427]

It wa har to hear him say "yöö" so much

[@primetime7385]

The best team can show up and win the games that need to be won to acquire the trophies. If you win 90% of your games but can’t pull it off in the last 10% to take you to the title or to the next leg or to worlds, you are not the best

[@Lolking9]

just like IG in MSI 9-1. and were not able to win it all.

[@patrickkearney1172]

sound fucked up?

[@LolLol-ui3jh]

banger

[@coffemaker200]

fa mai monee

[@javiermunozcruces5325]

💥💥💥💥💥

[@thestealthgirl3231]

FPX certainly weren't the best team in s9, they won worlds since they peaked then, yet were nowhere in spring/msi.

[@thunderbolt1213984]

"Nowhere in spring" is a funny way to say "best regular season team who only lost 1 bo5 2-3 and then got 3rd" but maybe you gargling thorins balls made me hear you incorrectly

[@thestealthgirl3231]

@@thunderbolt1213984 sorry how many titles did FPX win outside of worlds? horrible team who fluked at the right time. noone will remember them in 20 years as a good team. They were lucky to dodge SKT who were smashing them in scrims.

[@thunderbolt1213984]

@@thestealthgirl3231 its funny, the main point to this video is that the best team in the world doesnt always win the championship. Thats means it could be true for G2 in s9 as well. I probably shouldnt argue since you seem to not speak with any nuance. Like i wish I could talk about how its close between g2 and fpx. Butbased on the language you use, your probably not even open to the discussion which is especially dumb. It most certainly isnot a clear cut case of g2>fpx (also the same for the other eay around). But your keyboard warrior head-ass isnt developed enough to understand gray areas.

[@jimmybaker4821]

@@thestealthgirl3231 calling them terrible is a bit too far imo. But the worlds draw did help them aswell..

[@Mr123aussie]

Lol, spring playoffs was virtually their only loss all year, they killed it in s9. Can't really criticise them for msi since they weren't there

[@hoddedman_ARG]

I mean, if you don't consider the worlds champion the best in the world at least at that moment, then might as well dont' consider the championship at all. The best way is to use the unofficial world champion title

[@Thooorin]

I think it's trying to communicate.

[@thunderbolt1213984]

Ill try to convince you this take is bad with just one example. Just know theres a dozen things that go against your point. Something thorin didnt point out in the video is sometimes the best team on the world can have a Achilles heel in the form of one specific team. If the best team faces that Achilles heel in the quarterfinals and the winner of tournament ends up coming from the other side. Say that team that wins the tournament doesnt even end up playing the Achilles heel team to win the championship. Say the team that won got stomped by the best team regionally every time they played. Are you really going to claim that the team that won the tourny is the best team in the world. Nah