Zeus Steps Up! Keria's Picks! Faker’s Wins a 4th Worlds! - T1 Wins S13 Worlds - League of Legends

[@lyh0619]

T1's run has got to be one of the most impressive worlds runs(never said most dominant). I don't think I've ever seen a team have such a complete 180 of form between groups and playoffs.

[@aaawa2074]

Still one of the most dominant. If this were groups they would’ve finished 5-1. They always have a meh 1st week. Even last year when they dominated until finals people doubted them week 1. Same for 2021. Then they literally shit stomped every team in their way except JDG “the best team in the world”. If they didn’t dominate by going 11-1 against LPL teams and stomping 3 of those series idk what to tell you.

[@hazzsin3579]

I mean they only lost 2 games the entire tournament, and played all the best teams. The only more dominant run was SKT2015 who only lost 1 game, but they had a much easier path. With swiss they played higher level competition and their entire playoffs was against the incoming "favourites". They never got free wins against BKT level competition for example.

[@roachdoggjr4648]

@hazzsin3579 the only lost 2 in bracket stage but they lost 3 because of their GenG match

[@PWzhouster]

@@roachdoggjr4648 Eh? They went 3-0, 3-1, and 3-0 vs LNG, JDG, and WBG respectively. The only other loss was to GenG (0-1 in round 2).

[@roachdoggjr4648]

@@PWzhouster you're right, i was thinking they'd dropped a game to LNG for some reason.

[@PWzhouster]

So insane that Faker was the best performing mid laner throughout the tournament by impact (honorable mention Knight until their SF match) while not being anywhere near his peak mechanical form (likely still semi-limited by injury). While it's difficult to predict his mechanical form in the future, we now know how vital he is in terms of macro/coordination for his teammates to reach their OWN peak form (especially Zeus and Keria). Oner's return to 2022/23 spring form was really sick after his struggle, it seems having Faker's experience (and the 2022 Worlds runner-up finish) has imbued his teammates with a similar process-oriented mindset rather than worrying too much about the end results.

[@nathanielrobles3284]

Faker not just by impact but overall bro. Why do people always have to think that a player should always shit stomped their lane to be the best. Zeus was able to do that because they saved tgeir draft for him to alwaus counter top and Oner be there whenbhe is on the weakside. Faker gapped all the best mid in tge tournament in all aspects.

[@bud2829]

No wonder Faker always gives us the HUSH pose, cause of people like this old man

[@xxDxxism]

Ikr lmao

[@skrattaoppar9753]

I know now why Ruler can't win Worlds again and why Guma is better. Ruler needs ardent. Guma doesn't. Source: Guma 1v2 outplay

[@MrDespisedIcon]

Based

[@gameplayerbr4962]

Oner was the MVP, then Zeus, then Faker. Oner had an insane 82.4% KP and 67% FB%, he did so much for their early games and his J4 and Rell were flawless. He helped Zeus get ahead in the finals which allowed him to take over. Zeus was blessed with Riot buffing his champions right before the tournament and he was rightfully the best top. And Faker did destroy Scout in G1, then won them the JDG series with the Azir G3 play and then taking advantage of Kanavi turning off his brain in G4 - btw he did by far the most damage on T1 with 31.5%. And Gumayusi was a passenger the whole time, he had 46.8% KP (5th on T1) in the finals and 19.1% of his team's damage (4th) even though he took the 2nd most gold on the team. And against JDG he had 62.5% KP (4th) and 21.5% of his team's damage (3rd) even though he took the most gold. But for some reason he has a massive fanbase who'll say "he gapped Ruler" and "was the best adc" because of one play. lmao He had the best team, that's it. Bang (who did so much more for SKT) was the same, as soon as he left Faker he went 10th in freaking NA.

[@prawn8536]

Guma was the best performing ADC at the event. It's not even debatable, similar to Faker being the best performing mid. It has nothing to do with stats, with "gapping" or any of that. It comes down to one thing: when it mattered, he performed better than every other ADC, and especially better than the ADC he was facing. He 1 vs 3'd and solo'd Gala who had a huge advantage (both supps shielded near end, but lets be real, it didnt change anything as a Renata W would have) He 1 vs 2 Ruler and 369 in a bad spot and he outperformed ELK and Light whenever they played, just not to the same degree as the aforementioned plays. Ruler was argued to be the best player in the world, by some, and still made his characteristic mistakes (mid pick as Varus by Zeus and e in as Zeri and getting punished). Not to mention, he got his best champion (Zeri) when it mattered, got a huge lead from 1 play, and did NOTHING with it. Guma from behind was better, from even was better and from ahead was better. Same as every other game against the LPL outside Game 2 against JDG. And he WAS a passenger in the finals, but thats not his fault. The topside of T1 shined brightly on the day and deserve their due. Guma doesnt deserve hate for his teammates gapping their opposition. He was steady and didn't make mistakes that cost his team dearly, like he used to. You can line all these stats up that you want, it doesn't matter. There's not a single ADC that outperformed Guma at this Worlds and was more instrumental to their team's success. And let's be honest: it doesn't matter that JDG was 2 series' away from the Golden Road. They didn't do it, and Ruler was, as much as Kanavi, the reason for it. He got picked in Game 3 by Faker, and that, like last year against JDG, led Game 4 to be a slaughter where JDG mental boomed, just not quite as hard as last year. In all honesty, T1 players were all the best performing players in their roles. You can make arguments, but with how hard they gapped everyone after Gen G., it's a bad argument, even statistically.

[@unknown-em6ly]

Oner like guma had the best team with faker and Zeus being top of their role and bot high up also. Oners opposing Junglers had good moments and were often the bright spots of losing enemy teams rosters unlike Zeus/Faker opponents so i would put Oner 3rd on that list.

[@prawn8536]

@@unknown-em6ly You're not wrong in any way, the only thing is if Oner doesn't step up and gap the junglers the way he did, T1 doesn't win Worlds. Add into that, that his "worst" games were on Maokai, other than that he was stellar, and he definitely has an argument. That's all I want to add lol

[@oreoyo5639]

@@prawn8536T1 doesn’t win worlds if faker didnt perform like he did. T1 doesn’t win world if bot didn’t have champion pool big enough to skew draft their favor and counter the previous bot meta. Zeus doesn’t hard gap top laners like shy as hard as he did if he wasn’t given counterpick all 3 games cause his bot was willing to blind 3 times in a row. Idk how you watch guma in final and get mad at him for being passenger. Put ruler/gala/elk/viper and they be passenger as well vs Weibo. T1 play for topside in final to counter theshy in particular. There wasn’t much guma could do. Even faker was bored out of his goddamn mind cause jungle/top carry the 1st 2 game so hard.

[@MrDespisedIcon]

Oner probably gets overall tournament MVP but honestly this is one of the few teams that wins worlds where you can say every single pulled their weight during the tournament. All 5 players played incredibly well and had individually shining moments at different times in different games throughout the tournament. It was something truly incredible to watch.

[@MrAznDream]

Before watching the vid just my thoughts about Faker. I think the fact that faker did the game that basicly won them the final (vs JDG game 3). If you remember the context JDG was winning the game and just took baron. Faker makes the perfect engage on ruler and also plays the tf really well after this doing nearly max possible dmg. This wins them the game instantly. If this doesnt happen i dont know if SKT can win the series. Faker being Clutch was back in this tournament and that was huge. Also in the last couple finals Faker always had one game, where he fell apart, which then decided close series. He played with much more consistency again in high pressure games. That said ofc Zeus was deserved MVP. I just wanted to highlight again how important Fakers play on Ruler really was.

[@hazzsin3579]

T1 literally beat JDG in teamfights while behind in gold.... The Oner engage was a teamfight... The Faker engage was a teamfight. Teamfights often start with an engage... JDG were not the best team in teamfights.

[@therainguy0312]

They keep on saying that phrase JDG are the best team fighting team in the world. But in their series t1 played better and beat them through team fight. But all we hear is that kanavi inted in game. Azir just got the mega play on Ruler and JDG was ahead. They also forgot to mention that before that instance T1 was ahead. Got baron buff but then overchased 369 eventhough keria and faker said this could go wrong.

[@LordKeram]

I agree with you. That's why I think JDG would have won in a rematch. Ruler and Kanavi didn't play up to their usual form. Otherwise they win most of these fights.

[@sriraamsritharan4691]

​@@LordKeramLol jdg didnt even win teamfights vs t1 in their best meta at msi lol .They got huge gold leads from oner ints and lost games when they were even lol.

[@ktjs2000]

@@LordKeram go watch KT vs JDG. JDG literally got shitstomped by KT in game 1 and 4. not even close. they were literally on the rope that series. saying JDG is the best team in the world is literally delusional and dont have eyes fr

[@LordKeram]

@@ktjs2000 If you want to say JDG were on the rope against KT, then you would have to say the same about T1 vs JDG. Think carefully.

[@Daniel-ik6wi]

I don't get the meta argument people are talking about, you can literally say any tournament winner lucked out on meta.

[@LucasHadi]

Crazy people like this keep disrespect Tom as a coach like he done nothing. T1 with the same exact roster has won fck all and the draft is just abysmal and you see how T1 draft since he and roach takeover?

[@MrDespisedIcon]

Thorin lacks understanding of the game beyond a silver level player, if you read the post worlds content you see how Tom/T1 perfectly predicted drafts vs JDG and WBG

[@LucasHadi]

@@MrDespisedIcon true, how can we undermining coach importance when they're winning and straight up blaming them when team loses because of fckup draft?

[@hazzsin3579]

T1 may not have won MSI or made finals, but they took the winner to 5 games. They lost in spring finals but had won in the upper bracket vs Geng. The meta shifted away from T1 by the time it got to playoffs in spring. In summer, T1 struggled because Faker was injured and they self-proclaimed to be quite burnt out. Nonetheless, once Faker came back they beat everyone but Geng. Faker did gap scout... If you switched the nametags I have no doubt every LPL stan would be running around saying Scout gapped Faker...

[@MrDespisedIcon]

If the teams were swapped, Dom, Monte and Thorin would be having 5 hour podcasts daily glazing JDG and the LPL. The amount of disrespect towards T1 and how actually insane their worlds run was is really crazy and sad to see. Everyone was saying this is LPL stronger year ever and T1 was able to dominate every single one of them at worlds.

[@DK-wj1rv]

@@MrDespisedIcon theyre just frauds that says whatever controversial opinion they can to stay relevant 🤣

[@Xilefx7]

The only thing you missed in this video was the Faker injury and how the team was one of the worst teams of the lck without him. About T1 staying together I understand your point but this is the most consistent roster ever in league of legends to reach finals if they solve their choking problems, maybe there is a chance. Amazing video as always I hope you make another video about the 10 years of Faker, because that was the most impressive part for me, that he became the youngest player to win a real world championship and the oldest one to do it.

[@1RubberDucky]

His take about making the team better on paper makes sense but the org might have had only options to keep everyone or break it up entirely. Salary sacrifices they willing to take might been conditional on them all staying together. I cant blame the org for taking this route.

[@sidmichiels5322]

I honestly feel like Faker will ALWAYS be praised more then other T1 players regardless of his play, which is plainly based on what he did in his career. We do know one thing, regardless of his mechanical skill or plays him and Keria do the shotcalls that win the game. But he never completely "gapped" a lane as hard as his teammates did. He is their rock that attempts to prevent them from tilting as much as possible.

[@nathanielrobles3284]

Bro put anyone in midlane and tell them to Gap Knight, Chovy, and Scout with opposing junglers moslty looking for you. Faker is winning lane and he gapped Scout the best mid in LPL, he was ahead in CS many times but junglers always ganking him. The rest of his team don't have simillar difficult oppositions and they always save the draft for Zeus to counter and for botlane too. Faker was target banned against Weibo too.

[@yassirelhidani6803]

Why change guma he is literally the best preforming adc in world 2022 and 2023 he was soo clutch , and the most consistent player on T1 , if it wasn't for him , T1 would have not made it to worlds when they were soo shit in summer , guma gets soo underrated idk where the narratives that viper is somehow better than him , when he is just being really insanely good , only ruler can replace the guy , and that just for the sake of replacing

[@Oznek2014]

Faker have the best macro and top mechanical form equal or better than everyone is bonker. Its 2 ppl in 1 person.

[@hahahobo247]

This entire video just sounds like massive cope after he was so wrong on every part of that team all year if not for years lmao

[@валерийножкин-ф8у]

So IWD crying whole worlds that WBG and T1 finals is the worst that could happend is not hate ? Even in all SF games he is whining all the time. Every team had their shot and all of them couldn't do it. And mature people accepted it. And children like IWD keeps on crying about it all the way throughout. And the angle that Faker is not the bset player in this tournament when all their comms paint a clear picture that he is the shot caller and ingame leader. And on top of all that he is still clutch. Ridiculous

[@therainguy0312]

The worlds meta didnt suit t1. They tried playing the meta on their first 2 games. They could have lost vs TL and they lost vs GenG. After those 2 games what they did was get back to the way they play and where they are good at. Where keria can pick these crazy adc support and range champs and bot would just bully their counterpart. So no meta didnt fit t1. They made their own meta using their playstyle and the LPL teams are not used to playing against those champions and also they cant play it as good as keria.

[@oreoyo5639]

Topside meta did fit them tho. Faker really good on ori/neeko/azir. Zeus rumble/aatrox. Oner rell/Jarvan. But yea t1 bot change the bot meta to suit them even harder. T1 also got pick like yone/lee etc but I’m not gonna mention cause those weren’t really meta champ at worlds.

[@boiscooka232]

​@@oreoyo5639Zeus 100% grinding because last year his Atrox isn't good as this year 😂

[@chicassoproductions8527]

Interestingly Caedral said the meta was perfect for T1.

[@TWSVince]

Not to brag but I did select T1 as a world champion in my pickems. (The Chrystal ball thing)

[@cobywells1923]

I love watching Zeus when he's on. nothing like watching a top laner dominate and carry

[@azrrrrrrrr]

Then watch Bin. He is better and more consistent version of zeus

[@jerrytang5888]

@@azrrrrrrrrbin is theshy son and Zeus grandson

[@azrrrrrrrr]

@@jerrytang5888 zeus is bins son. Bin dominated him at MSI 2 years in a row

[@jerrytang5888]

@@azrrrrrrrrbin on stream said Zeus played better than him in the rng finals. That series was Wei and xiaohu outplaying oner and faker while gumayusi was underperforming the entirety of msi

[@azrrrrrrrr]

@jerrytang5888 and what about blg vs t1 this year at msi? 3-1? You forgot that?

[@BladezOfFuture]

In this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death, taxes, and LPL teams choking at Worlds when one team doesn't just try to draft the same 10 champions as they do.

[@Bereli93]

I'm a T1 and Faker fan, with that said I'm under no delusion that faker was the best player this tournament. I do however believe that he bring intangibles as in leadership, coaching to some extent and shot calling, this is however I admit, hard to know to for certain. We did however have the injury in the summer split which gave some insight.

[@jerrytang5888]

Who is even saying he was the best player? There’s literally no one who’s saying that. They say he’s the best midlaner which is true but pretty much every t1 player at the tournament was the best in their role

[@aaawa2074]

No one said he was the best player but he was by far, so far the best mid laner. The best player was Oner no one can deny that. Then it was maybe Faker or Keria. Thorin knows nothing about the game, you could give him the hands of Chovy and he would probably not be able to reach gold. He’s a mad boomer that knows will become irrelevant if he doesn’t make the most obvious shit takes to create engagement. No one likes him, no one takes him seriously. He will follow his bias no matter what. Faker could win LCK MVP and still think he’s washed up. Rekkles could win worlds with a Brazilian team and he would still call Rekkles shit and carried. But if one of his boyfriends in LEC plays poorly, be certain that he will find a way to make it look like they’re not actually bad it was their team’s fault.

[@MrDespisedIcon]

There is 0 people saying Faker was the best player this tournament, Thorin creates his own narratives in his head and then argues against them

[@unknown-em6ly]

Fakers been playing consistently at a high level for years, that form being teamplay and not mid gapping in lane does not undo that or make him clearly under the top players of the role at the time. Deft is in higher form?He had some good players in dk, he should do better right? but the roster was doomed in draft with the anchor of Canna, the guy Faker took to many finals.

[@NwinDii]

Maddening that we don't don't get games to determine the 2nd and 3rd best teams. Instead oh you got knocked out go home you don't matter. You have to be kidding me. We have the best teams in the world in one place and we play less best of 5s between them than double elimination guantlet qualifiers. I'm happy for T1 they should have gotten the trophy last year. Excited to see how the changes to the rift and game shake things up. It would be interesting to see a repeat of T1 coming back from worlds for OGN.

[@TheMrSnuSnu]

Nice graphics, under-appreciated how much attention to detail you add to your videos

[@johngo3715]

Is it T1's fault that the semi-finals ended up being the finals? Or is Riot to blame for not having double elimination which could have allowed JDG or another strong contender to reach the finals?

[@oreoyo5639]

I mean if you look at the knockout bracket regardless of whether you are in favor of double elim or not, it ain’t riot fault wbg made final statistically. They upset blg who upset geng. Geng was one of the tournament favorite by most people at worlds til they choke. It actually geng fault lol.

[@HubbePersonerkan-hm4cj]

T1 would win anyway. They had the best plan

[@LucasHadi]

It's JDG fault they lost, if they going into the final, none of this talk gonna occurred, because they supposed to be the best team ever created in league. T1 fault is just being T1

[@oreoyo5639]

@@LucasHadi Actually no. If jdg had won 3-1, the real final would have still been jdg vs t1 unless wbg don’t get 3-0.

[@DEVILONBOTHSHOULDERS]

it’s just single elim moment lmao

[@tehAmbi]

I agree on that take that adding Canyon + Viper would make a better lineup and possibly an even better line up than JDG this year

[@goodbye6967]

i mean you make your own arguments against yourself. you hate t1 fans so much you're so biased against faker. there wasnt another midlaner that performed other than him in the tournametn

[@roachdoggjr4648]

I hope you're trolling

[@roachdoggjr4648]

Youre calling Thorin, the guy who told Kkoma he ruined esports history by wasting Faker's prime years by fielding Easyhoon instead of Faker as a weird flex, biased against Faker? Ive been a T1 fan since the very split Faker joined, and ive watched everything since. Plebs like you cant just be happy that OUR favorite player of all time won his 4th title, you have to try your hardest gaslight everyone into thinking Faker was the best individual player at this tournament, when he just wasn't.

[@kiwi5265]

Faker was the best Midlaner at this Tournament no? Best player, ofc not. Think mid was rly weak this tournament somehow @@roachdoggjr4648

[@kiwi5265]

but am i missing the Part were he said Faker was Shit ? he just said he was the Worst player on a winning Roster, he was still good.

[@Geeageee]

@@roachdoggjr4648 Nice try gaslighting us into thinking the OP comment said he was the best individual player, which he didn't. He specified midlaner, which Faker was, by FAR.

[@victorchoi1318]

Lol... guys.. it is not important that genG did well in this year or jdg. if they were really good, they should have prove themselves in the worlds

[@HubbePersonerkan-hm4cj]

Faker the goat and no player comes close!

[@ajmDRUM]

I had them as winning but I'm just a die hard fan lol

[@chrissears5482]

Bruh. Sure you wouldn't call them the favorites, but this iteration of T1 has never finished worse than 3rd in any regional or international event. To pretend like they never shown they could play like this is just dumb. I'm not saying they should of been favored over JDG, but GenG are known chokers at international and T1 has never finished lower than them at one

[@marstonpablo2542]

I had GenG or T1 winning. All the analysts who get paid to be analysts airballed. NA performance out of the analysts.

[@therainguy0312]

When GenG lost vs BLG. I was silently thinking damn now T1 has a chance to win worlds.

[@iRiDiKi]

Thank you for putting the truth out there, Thorin. I am very tired of looking at reddit and everyone claims that Faker was the best performing mid forever, that T1 didn't look awful right before this tournament even after Faker came back and all these running narratives that are blindly false. I didn't have faith in T1 to beat LNG, I didn't have faith in T1 to beat JDG, but they did it and every single player had a glow up for this tournament. I am glad they overcame their nerves (The first game against WBG looked like they had a lot of nerves - go and count how many skillshots they actually miss in this game. Spoiler, it was REALLY sloppy.) but it is so sad that people don't see it for what it really was. It downplays their achievement and how they went about it. (Kanavi and Tarzan should definitely be investigated btw I don't know how you can be so egregious at literally the very top level - they and their opponent were within the top four teams in the world at the time) I have a question to ask that anyone can answer - why does every single godlike mid laner play so subdued internationally? Namely Chovy and Knight... but the list of subdued midlaners is quite long IMO. I think it's something we should look deeper at. Is there a gentleman's handshake going on? Is there a lack of confidence because everyone is so damn good/just as good as each other?

[@RomnysGonzalez]

Why is Faker always telling us to shut up in all his photos?

[@MrDespisedIcon]

Cause he knows Thorin talks out of his ass

[@ajmDRUM]

I thought beryl had 2 or 3

[@nathanhosea489]

I think it's sad that so many T1 fans are making it look as if they were the best in the world before this tournament - it takes so much away from the sheer monumentality of what they did. Some people, like me for example, predicted C9 to win vs T1 based on how they played v LNG, and how T1 played v Gen.G. I also have to disagree with your assessment of Knight and Kanavi. He wasn't just average, he was awful. He was losing lane as Orianna to Azir, getting hardcarried by 369 and Kanavi, and not making the plays he usually makes. I also have to come to Kanavi's defense, almost every single misplay he made in Game 4, was a move of desperation. This win changes so many narratives surrounding this team. They are genuinely a top 10 team of all-time now, with more and more potential to grow. Agree with your assessment of Oner, but the only AD carry that allows Keria to be Keria is Guma. Most teams that win Worlds have that one guy that allows the others to shine more than him - ManDu and Bang on SKT, Baolan on IG, GimGoon on FPX, Ghost on DWG, Deft on DRX. The player that fits this role on T1, is Guma. It's simple - how many superteams have won Worlds? Yes, 0. Agree very much with you on your narrative surrounding Faker's wins, but I have to question why you have so much emphasis on Faker not being that good individually anymore. Because he has clearly been one of the best mids in the world in these last 2 years. Chovy, Knight, Rookie, Scout are the only ones I'd put over him from an individual standpoint. You also forgot to mention the X-Factor that can keep this T1 team hungry - kkOma. The young kids on these team have effectively never been coached by kkOma before - in the case of Zeus/Keria, one month isn't exactly a good sample size. It will be an entirely new experience for them, and that will keep them hungry and fresh. When SSG won Worlds in 2017, they brought in nobody. That's why and how the results started to stagnate. kkOma imho with all of the success he's had on Damwon and Team Korea, will keep them vigilant and hungry, as he, too, wants to prove he can still win Worlds after he failed to do so on Damwon. Great video overall, though not without its flaws.

[@therainguy0312]

Agree with your take on guma. Alot of of these Analyst keep on mentioning Ruler to replace guma to make the roster better. Yes Ruler is a better hyper carry and probably a better player overall. But what they dont realize is the way he plays with keria plus his chmapion pool which lets keria choose this said picks.

[@minhanhle4027]

what do you mean T1 fans thought T1 was the best team coming to the tournament. Did you even hear all those scream in the stadium when drawing happened? T1's scare the shit out when facing BLG, T1's fan was happy only to face C9. I'm from Vietnam and T1's fan here have slogan "Doubt until it really happen". There is no sane T1's fan think T1 is the favorite.

[@nathanhosea489]

@@minhanhle4027 I'm talking about what they're doing right now. I'm only pushing the narrative to satisfy Thorin's ego anyway

[@jaengonzalez6377]

Great video! And basically agree with everything ,I just think faker has won those first two worlds being the best player I don’t think someone will match with that type of play style ,maybe ruler can one more

[@katox9192]

*3 worlds

[@dendydaffaanugrahprawira9d173]

He did won 4th world

[@Prince_mt12]

I don't want to be that guy but am I the only one in the room that has this thinking of them sucking hard next year? Like they caught a lightning in a bottle for this worlds because the meta literally played into their wheelhouse so hard like I can even say that they are even more luckier than the 2019 fpx world champion roster and that team is considered the worst team to ever win a world championship.

[@LucasHadi]

what you saw in knockout are T1 shifting the meta to they favour, it's not just the meta fall into their hands, if you even watch the whole tournament from play-in, what T1 did in knockout actually ruin it for everyone else, which different from what FPX did, FPX are playing into the meta and take full advantage of it. I agree with what Thorin said, if you don't know what I'm talking about go and see the last MSI when everyone including LCK teams trying to play like LPL and they got fkd. hard.

[@Prince_mt12]

@@LucasHadi Nah most korean teams are doing it not just them. In fact from what I saw they are not even the one who started it in scrims it was Lehends who are trying out Ashe and Senna but for unknown reasons didnt pull it out in actual stage games. What im saying is it is already in everyones radar but T1 knew they will have an upper hand if they started it so yeah.

[@nathanhosea489]

Based on what they did the year before, and based on who they've brought in for next year, I have to disagree with you.

[@nathanhosea489]

@@Prince_mt12 I think it's simple - the others weren't confident enough to pull it out on stage

[@yassirelhidani6803]

How in the world they're going to suck "HARD" when they are always top 3 in every single tournament , domestically or internationally for the last 2 years in diff meta?,? Cmon dude do you even watch LCK , they won LCk 2022 on diff meta

[@shatterfall_hunted8236]

Post worlds Thorin's Thoughts hits diffrent.

[@thequangle356]

LPL fan?

[@skrattaoppar9753]

LPL is incredibly good this season like legit good. That is why T1 isn't even on the top 3 prediction list. But breaking the meta isn't the only reason why T1 won. Their playstyle just counters LPL unlike any LCK Team. LPL forces you on scrappy fights and all of LPL players will attempt to save a dying teammate if they are caught in a bad position. T1 will find leads elsewhere, that is why you can see them dying solo and sometimes T1 doesn't try and save them cuz T1 knows walking there is already wasting time, they will ward the obj, or push the lane or steal some camps that is why when you watch T1, the gold almost doesn't diminish despite having deaths or losing obj. And if T1 will contest obj, they already set up the wards around and wins the obj it like in JDG and LNG series. The loss against GEN at swiss is probably the last straw to finally believe in the champs that they practice and the meta they created. TL:DR; LPL gaps everyone, but T1 counters their style.

[@ajmDRUM]

Man thorin is just never happy with anything lol

[@DavidS-q1g]

People still watch league??? Jesus

[@aaawa2074]

The viewership at Worlds only increases every year…

[@nathanhosea489]

6,4 million this year

[@DavidS-q1g]

@@aaawa2074 And you believe they aren’t mostly bots to boost interest in the game? Are you really that naive? Why do you think Riot stopped reporting on active player numbers years ago?

[@DavidS-q1g]

@@nathanhosea489 I said people, not view bots.

[@aaawa2074]

@@DavidS-q1g lmao Next level tinfoil hat

[@mrfoodfrostfiend4100]

I still think JDG was the best team in the world and should have won worlds but they just got sucked into T1's type of meta especially top and support where JDG normally puts their engage outside of knight on neeko but it was banned the entire series. It was really painful to watch 369 actually play these carry top champs and not once did he go back to his Gragas or Ornn even if these picks are bad into Aatrox he should be able to go even in lane. Game 4 was the worst thing I've seen from JDG draft where they just decided to have no engage and play strong top side for a belveth who needs to be ahead the entire game or they will lose because no engage / objective control late.

[@LordKeram]

I still think JDG beats T1 on a different day even in this meta. Game 3 and 4 Kanavi has had absolute stinkers and game 3 T1 pulled off 2 incredible plays that kept them in it.

[@Daniel-ik6wi]

Personally, I think g2 was the best team in the world and should have won worlds, they just have to get more consistent, not choke, be mechanically better and most importantly get good.

[@aotisgoat4343]

Think t1 or blg could win msi if meta was around toplane not botlane, jdg meta was perfect in msi, 369 got exposed in carry toplane meta like this year and last year

[@therainguy0312]

369 was horrible during this series. Only played one good game.

[@LordKeram]

@@therainguy0312 if 369's play was horrible, then idk what the fuck you would call most of the other players. Game 1 was jungle gap. Game 2 he went even and was completely fine. Game 3 he gapped Zeus in lane. Game 4 he got hard countered and lost. Big whoop. He played fine. Is Zeus better? Yes. But 369 didn't play "horrible".

[@phreakisop9810]

League community is so silly. JDG were better than T1 this year, best team for 95% of the year then became the 2nd best at worlds, T1 were bad all year till worlds. worlds is such an overhyped tournament, just rewards who gets lucky in the right meta. last year as well, T1 were better than DRX all year, till worlds final. Worlds shouId just be removed in favor of like 4 majors a year like valorant or something. instead of allowing one team to luck out the right meta at worlds, and then ''be remembered''

[@Daniel-ik6wi]

So basically JDG lucked out on meta in msi

[@hazzsin3579]

@@Daniel-ik6wiBu Bu B... T1 JDG in msi wasnt close, it was a 3-2... JDG were totally close to beating T1 but underperformed amirite XD

[@therainguy0312]

T1 was not bad all year. They were a beast during first half of spring where they abused the double adc bot meta which forced riot to hard nerf it.

[@sriraamsritharan4691]

Mate riot didnt nerf the meta jdg played or invented like they did with t1 lol.

[@MrDespisedIcon]

Cope more