Fr Hesse: Validity of Novus Ordo Sacraments

Fr Hesse: Validity of Novus Ordo Sacraments

[@jasonburdette7879]

Father Hesse pray for us.

[@ugomariapablo]

i feel you

[@piab5903]

This video deserve a million views!

[@erdodiszilard2407]

I'm re-watching this almost every week

[@chriskozik2573]

For Fr. Hesse: Requiem aeternam dona ei Domine. Et lux perpetua luceat ei. Requiescat in pace. Fr. Hesse pray for us. His clear teaching is MUCH needed today. And it's all rooted in dogmatic Church/Papal documents, unlike the majority of Modernist bishops and media voices deceiving the faithful. That 70-80% of "Catholics" doNOT believe in the Real Presence and almost all bishops are NOT taking any steps to correct and reverse that shows all too clearly that they do NOT give a damn about the Real Presence of Our Lord-quite likely many have lost their Faith. Worse, if that's possible (!), most do NOT give a damn about the risks to people's souls and their eternal fate. (Objectively, anyone who does NOT believe a De Fide article of the Faith is outside of Church. Subjectively, only God knows and can judge a person's personal state of soul.) Lord HAVE mercy on us. Padre Pio said the Rosary is "the weapon!" So many more we need pray.

[@MeisterEck]

Mindblowing. Life-changing

[@andresisrael5817]

Those who are wise shall shine like the brightness of the sky above; and those who turn many to righteousness, like the stars forever and ever.

[@sterlingteall3462]

Fr. Hesse is surely a Saint in Heaven now.

[@jasonburdette7879]

I stop attending Novus Ordo on regular basis 7 years ago. I wish more churches that offer Old Mass would offer according to 1944 St. Andrews Daily Missile

[@titanscerw]

Misal?

[@EthanJBubba]

titanscerw missal*

[@mariogeorgiev2932]

In England The Latin Mass Society who claims to Use 1962 Missal when Holy Weeks comes They Serve the Old Roman Rite (pre1950 Missal) .Same apply for the Vigil of Pentecost and many others feasts .

[@gustoman001]

I like him

[@EricGajewski]

Fr Hesse: Validity of Novus Ordo Sacraments Fr Hesse: Validity of Novus Ordo Sacraments

[@stevenfarley5161]

This is the first time I've heard the traditional folk judge the N.O. as the schismatics, while I've heard the opposite for the twenty-one years I've been Catholic. Interesting. . .

[@rosariamcnierney7477]

You will know them by their fruits.

[@time-out-tuti-fruti5142]

By their fruits..

[@EricGajewski]

Fr Hesse: Validity of Novus Ordo Sacraments kzbin.info/www/bejne/i6OUgJ99p7mIbdU

[@EricGajewski]

Fr Hesse: Validity of Novus Ordo Sacraments kzbin.info/www/bejne/i6OUgJ99p7mIbdU

[@markymarcb4932]

+TradCatKnight here's what I conclude after literally going on 2 years of researching, praying, listening, studying....you get the point.... The Novus Ordo "IS" valid, as Christ promised to safeguard His Church, (now there are those who will counter and say that the N.O. branch is NOT Christ's Church, and for that they'd be correct though maybe not 100%). HOWEVER, the confusion, question, and doubt comes NOT from the Novus Ordo BUT the Ordinations of these priests and Bishops who are celebrating the Novus Ordo. If a priest was ordained PRIOR to V2, he is valid, he has the unadulterated Sacrament of ordination. The issue is, getting into these new ordinations by Novus Ordo Bishops that "ordain" new priests. What do you think?

[@titanscerw]

+markymarc b it is answered in the video by Fr. Hesse ...

[@zvonimirtosic6171]

+markymarc b We talk about the Latin Rite, which, after the council of Trent, was the official rite of the Roman Catholic Church. (Other historic rites within the Catholic Church established prior to council of Trent are all valid and recognised by the council, but allowed only in territories where they were traditionally held). Basically, Trent council said: this is now The Rite for all times, no more new rites, and dogmatically sealed the issue. Then some 400 years later, Vatican II crowd shook the issue, and then Pope Paul VI broke the seal, and introduced a new rite for the Roman Catholic Church. That was not possible, but he did that anyway. Among three ingredients for the Mass of any rite to be performed - Intention, Matter and Form - the new ordo mass has changed one vital part: the Form in the vernacular of many languages, as translations were not good. That alone invalidates the Mass. Not to mention that the whole post Vatican II atmosphere was such that it tempted priests of weak knowledge to invalidate even the Intention (say, they think it is just a prop, a show, not a sacrifice), or, some parishes might have gone farther and experimented with Matter, which is, changed the host ingredients by adding milk or honey, changed description of wine so they used sparkling wines, or grape juice, etc. However, that all those who attend the new ordo mass are schismatics, yes, that is true. Only those who attend traditional rite mass, be it Latin or those valid rites prior to council of Trent, are parts of true Catholic Church. Which means, very, very few are Catholics today.

[@mauramillay5039]

Great man!

[@dexters711]

I heard he had gotten himself Conditionally Re-Ordained before he passed away. Is there any validity to this ?

[@stevenfarley5161]

Now that the new translation of the N.O. consecration, regarding the "pro multis" is now translated "for the many", I wonder what he would say were he alive.

[@silentium9639]

Probably that it is valid but still illicit and schismatic

[@reubenkeyz5131]

The only valid Mass is TLM.

[@St_AngusYoung]

@@reubenkeyz5131 ok your Holiness

[@Wilantonjakov]

@@St_AngusYoung ??? He doesn't have to be holy to be correct

[@JoseRX95]

Still invalid coz the new mass has taken the words that express the intention of the Lord and the narrative tone in the consecration makes it a invalid as well.

[@markymarcb4932]

The Catholic Church has not said “for all” for at least 15-18 years. The Episcopalian church says “for all”, Catholics say “for many”, so I really don’t know if what Fr Hesse is saying is mistaken? At around 44:52 he says, “…the mass in the vernacular is invalid.” Later however in the talk he says, said in Latin, the Novus Ordo is fine. Why? Can someone explain if they (vernacular and Latin) mean the same thing why would the English version or vernacular be “in valid”. Thank you.

[@nathaniellathy6559]

Hesse said valid doesn't make Novus Ordo licit

[@AbadePoimen]

Galera, alguém traduz este vídeo completo pro português. Os luso-falantes tem que ver isto.

[@giuseppesarto1958]

Este canal também está para traduzir essa conferência: kzbin.info/door/qqkC5MJAWGd72ohWCusYGQvideos

[@AbadePoimen]

Fui ver essas respostas só agora rs, de qualquer modo, obrigado aí pessoal. Já tem dois meses, talvez já aja traduções né ? Especialmente neste canal mencionado. Laus Deo

[@giuseppesarto1958]

@@AbadePoimen Ainda não. Neste canal a tradução desta conferência parece estar se concluindo aos poucos: kzbin.info/aero/PLrc-ZQu3oX8OVkHkGOjWpmPkhtYxL84BX

[@KaiserLouisPhilipV]

How would we reconcile this with the fact that Pope Gregory changed the Pre-Tridentine Mass extensively? How is that different from what the papacy did through Vatican II?

[@EricGajewski]

there is a difference between organic change of the same rite and then making a whole new rite altogether...the new mass is not the ordinary form of the same rite its a whole new rite of the conciliar church altogether...its schismatic and illicit..see my vatican II section for further all your questions can be answered there in the various talks

[@KaiserLouisPhilipV]

Eric Gajewski How is what Gregory did "organic?" He just added a whole sentence in there and changed several other things. If dogma is not developed, only better understood, how can any Traditionalist say it was OK for Gregory to change the Mass? I'm not trying to start a fight, but I want to provoke some honest scholarship on this. Do you have anything for me besides a general piece of information? Specific links would be nice.

[@EricGajewski]

Kaiser Louis-Philip V Vatican II was not development clearly it as rupture it was FreeMasonry it was the modernist new faith put on display. My friend it is clear you dont pay attention to details nor direction I said visit my section on Vatican II on my youtube page there are plenty of links from canon lawyers, doctorates of theology on the matter including my own spiritual director Fr. Kramer. Trent says dogmatically that there could be no new rites and thats exactly what Paul VI did...Vatican II new rites are schismatic.Its up to you to educate yourself on the pages I leave behind not for me to have to stop every five minutes and link everyone to posts.....dont have the time...

[@EthanJBubba]

Kaiser Louis-Philip V because pre-Vatican II popes changed aspects of the Mass. The Novus Ordo Missæ is a new mass entirely.

[@JoseRX95]

St. Gregory didnt change the mass he reorganized the Missal adding things to the ceremony he did not change nothing that was different of what his predecessors used yo say Mass. Paul VI change the form, the assertive tone for the narrative tone, he replace the pro multis for pro omnibus, and took out the misterium fidei that was a tradition handed down from St. Peter himself. All these changes made the new mass invalid even in latin.

[@karenbowman7724]

Does the mass become licit again if you go back and change the translation so it's an english version of the latin rite?

[@st.michaelsknight6299]

That's a bit of a complicated question because you need to know if it is actually a different mass or just the same mass in english. For example, eastern catholic liturgies are sometimes done in english, and literally no one considers those masses a seperate rite from when they are said in ukranian.

[@mathsy_PL]

@@st.michaelsknight6299 Or rather, Old-Church Slavonic.

[@yippierb]

Benedict 16's revision of the novus ordo changed the wording back to "many" instead off "all" during the consecration. Does that make the "n/o" mass now valid? That seemed to be his only objection?

[@EricGajewski]

+Yippierb yes however the new mass still remains illicit and schismatic and is to be avoided

[@nickj5451]

+TradCatKnight Wait, I thought the question was not whether the Novus Ordo is valid, but illicit because of the change in wording (as I don't recall any other specific reason for it being called illicit and schismatic). Didn't Fr. Hesse say that a Mass in the Novus Ordo rite is a valid Mass done illicitly, because of the change from "many" to "all"? So if it was already valid, and now the wording is "many" in the Novus Ordo, is it still to be called illicit? This is all very new to me and very confusing. I find his point, that we should not be declaring something as true or condemning something as false unless we have irrefutable evidence, very simply agreeable, and I cannot bring myself to take a strong stance without something more compelling. How much is the average person of limited intelligence expected to understand?

[@norbertx9415]

It still leaves the problem of doubtful Holy Orders.

[@CDave1972]

@@nickj5451 Per Quo Primum, no pastor (including the Pope) may change or omit the mass (Tridentine mass). The creation of the Novus Ordo in affect violates Quo Primum upon Promulgation, however it was never legally promulgated, and it could not be legally promulgated due to Quo Primum and the Council of Trent Session 7 Canon 13.

[@lucillebonds2196]

Could hardly hear the questions.

[@trolls4rent354]

good Job

[@wilmarmontes5115]

9:20

[@BeBe-vk7nx]

It is the blind leading the blind, it is not valid. And part of the third secret of Fatima

[@johnp556]

I'll take Canon Hesse' s words over yours

[@norbertx9415]

@@johnp556 At the end of his own life he did believe his own words since he received conditional ordination.

[@matiasc4121]

​@@norbertx9415 Good for him but a little late

[@norbertx9415]

In light of this video, it's rather ironic that the year before Fr Hesse's death he received conditional ordination.

[@catolicoromano4139]

that means that he had the conviction of the nullity of the novus ordo sacrament of ordination.

[@josephrodriguez2520]

Father Hesse has never received conditional ordination.

[@norbertx9415]

@@josephrodriguez2520 I know a family that was quite close to Fr. Hesse. They confided to me that Fr. Hesse had told them less than a year before he died that he received conditional ordination, but instructed them to not reveal this publically, nor who performed the ordination. This family is quite reliable with their info. So, yes, it happened.

[@ewela3432]

@@norbertx9415 how convenient for you. lmao like anyone would ever believe that nonsense

[@deusvult2302]

In light of your comment I suggest, you stay Novus Ordo, I stay Catholic!

[@JoseRX95]

25:44 El Papa no puede atar al Papa.

[@josephrodriguez2520]

No es sierro.

[@wpreece123]

He's a little lad who loves berries and cream!!!

[@danielkilpatrick4885]

Fr ........you can speak all the truth in the world......but if you cant be heard..... for many you have wasted you time and energy?

[@brunosantos5837]

Should I be Sedevacantist?

[@mende72]

It's the only valid stance at this time.

[@anthonykhoury9292]

No

[@Diddykong8775]

@Instaurare Omnia In Christo FSSP is compromised though.

[@ewela3432]

no you shouldn't. find a traditional latin mass (preferably SSPX)

[@joanmaxime9716]

I am very charitable to sedes. But some of the dogmatic sects are very exclusive and may be spiritually harmful to you. Sedevacantism is just one theological view on heretical popes. Please do not make it a dogma.

[@lucillebonds2196]

Quis cum que - Whomsoever.

[@ElNuevoEstado]

This guy is not honest.

[@lorenzor5387]

the essentia in mass in jesus. the rest are secondary and can change through time. in the 3rd cent. all was greek and translating it to latin was bit controvesial. greek was the apostolic language

[@EricGajewski]

+Lorenzo r no the rites couldnt change per council of trent which was dogmatic those who say otherwise are anathema

[@j5555785]

36:00 - "the many" can mean "for all" and I think it's always been poor argument that they mean something different. You can be offered a pile of oranges and say, "I'll have the many" and you will receive all the oranges. How "many" oranges are there? 30. I'll have "the many" - if you do not use "the many," and just, "many" then yes, you have a difference. I think if you are a self righteous hypocrite modern day pharisee, then yes, Jesus' sacrifice was reserved for a selected amount of self righteous Jews, and not Gentiles. Or today, the Latin Rite attendees. In the context of Mathew 26:28 weather in English, Aramaic or Greek, the emphasis of the passage is on the sacrifice of Jesus as it was offered for all mankind, that each individual now has the opportunity to repent, work out their salvation, and enter heaven through the Sacrifice of Jesus, WHICH EXCLUDES NO ONE!

[@jeromepaxkiro552]

You're confused JC died for ALL but only MANY will be saved. See the difference? Even this was streamlined ,(made more focused & specific) in Mt - 7:13-14 ..WIDE is the gate & BROAD is the road to destruction and MANY enter it.. SMALL is the gate & NARROW is the road that leads to LIFE & only a FEW find IT.. This is the heretical belief of francis & many suckups who claim that all religions (faiths) are equal & have the same goal but different paths to Heaven and that the Catholic Church is just one of those paths. These fools without even realizing the irony of it made the road to destruction EVEN WIDER🥴🤯😭💀 To clarify further using secular e.g. Fr Hesse said there are MANY democrats fortunately NOT ALLL are😝🤣

[@user-xr7qn3rs4v]

You must be an imbecile. Many and all are not synonyms in ANY real language. If there are seven oranges on a table and I take five, I have taken many. If I take ALL SEVEN, there are none left. I must deduce that you flunked kindergarten.

[@rrickarr]

Do you really think that Jesus is all worked up about these things. Either version of the mass has very little resemblance to the Last Supper as described in the Gospels!!!!!!!! So the "Mass" as we know it is a bunch of humans who got together and felt that they knew better than Christ and had to fix it!

[@Wilantonjakov]

Disgusting statement. You know nothing apparently

[@mathsy_PL]

But the mass is not about emulating the Last Supper, surely you must know that?

[@EricGajewski]

Fr Hesse: Validity of Novus Ordo Sacraments kzbin.info/www/bejne/i6OUgJ99p7mIbdU

[@markymarcb4932]

TradCatKnight Hey, can anyone help me out? At about 43:00 -45:00 Fr Hesse says and I quote: "Mass in the vernacular is invalid." But at 48:00 he says that it is valid? What is going on, and why can't I get a straight answer out of this? Seriously, PLEASE help clarify. Is the Novus Ordo Valid or NOT?

[@SuperScarrow]

markymarc b he says in latin yes, in most translations no because they lack the form necessary due to bad translations.