FRACTALS IN MUSIC - Exploration & Experiment

TIMESTAMPS:
0:00 Loren Carpenter and fractals
1:53 The melody
3:34 The timbre
4:55 The speed
7:10 The structure
8:50 The result
I have always been fascinated by fractals (by alsways, I mean like 10+ years) and I've wanted to make a fractal music for a very long time. This video is the gathering of different ideas I wanted to explore, to see how it would sound and how difficult it would be to compose a fractal tune.
That was a lot a fun and made me want to explore this a bit more and compose "real tracks" using a fractal structure. Time will tell, in the meantime, I hope you have a fun time watching this.
Thanks for passing by.
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[@Jaystophers]

I immediately got the feeling of a fugue from this - interesting how that naturally comes up with this fractal process

[@darudeSandstorm.]

Bro this is blowing my mind right now! Thx for thinking outside the box

[@Woochia]

Thanks, glad you liked it :)

[@lokoowun]

Whoah, this is insane, specially the theory behind of it. Thats why i love fractals

[@derekfernandez7701]

7:22 This is genius - It sounds incredible, thank you for exploring these ideas and explaining your process so wonderfully! 💙

[@Decoy303]

Fractals are just like music. The possibilities are endless.

[@SoulMedia1]

That …. Is unbelievably beautiful! Thank you !!

[@happyjessus]

I feel like watching this made me smarter! Jokes aside, I d like to see someone trying this on modular

[@panthersfly]

I played a Nintendo DS game called "Electroplankton" that had some modes where you would create a melody and it would play it simultaneously at different speeds. Reminds me a lot of this!

[@Woochia]

I remember this! Hypnotic game :o

[@FirstnameLastnameHandle]

Subscribed. I love fractals and music. Mind blowing concept and delivery.

[@MarcelloDiLorenzo]

I discovered fractals in 2002, and used them in my compositions at the time ...

[@yolxanderjacagonzalez5177]

U are a genius!!! Please do a serie on this ideas.

[@GrvMUSIC4U]

I m so happy i discovered your yt channel Thanks for sharing these crazy ideas

[@Woochia]

I'm happy you like it :)

[@stefaneli323]

Great work man! Thank you for dropping in so deep on the fractals to create this 🙏🙏

[@MikeS-1969]

Excellent. You really do like what your are doing and it shows!

[@jacksonsherrill9484]

this shit rules!!! keep it coming man❤️

[@Woochia]

Thanks :)

[@wiwaxiasilver827]

I love how the final result essentially turns into something akin to a fugue. Bach really had something going on huh ^ ^;;

[@jopmens6960]

The same melody faster and slower is a common part of fugue subjects. And the first 4 notes of the example melody are the same as that of The Art of Fugue (by Bach), not to mention at 7:20 it sounds bit like a clavichord lol! A vague suggestion: fractal patterns seem like it would suit granular synthesis so maybe modify a max4live device? Nice vid, thnx!

[@jbrupam8749]

That's what it came to my mind too. Then when were fractals (or what we call them) discovered?

[@ldb3282]

I googled "fractal music" and got this. Exactly what my brain was craving. TY.

[@GreenFesh]

Wow, that is so amazing! The second version I like the most. And I can't quite describe the feeling of it. What the whole thing maybe is lacking is a little soul in my opinion. It sounds very robotic. But it's very difficult to make a concept like this come alive, I'd have no idea how to approach it. I think the beauty of fractals comes especially to live when they are a little more vibrant and complex. I also believe what Bach was doing with his songs was kind of going in this direction. It was very mathematical and flirted with the idea of repetition of a theme in a bigger picture. Maybe it'd be most interesting if one cannot see the mathematical side of it at all at the first listen.

[@Boddhisattva007]

Brilliant! I had these same thoughts awhile ago but you took it much further than I did because (generally speaking) I didn't much like the results I got. (thanks to your video) I might try to play around some more with the concept.

[@orderofchaos8680]

So creative!

[@bendudding]

Brilliant!!!

[@iamisandisnt]

I can't resist being the 100th comment here :D great video, and beautiful musical production!

[@Woochia]

Thanks :)

[@josephs2791]

Wonderful video and ideas! I'm going to attempt some of your ideas on the arturia polybrute, hopefully I can tag you in something lol can't wait to see and hear more of you!

[@Jeff_Leon]

This is awesome!!

[@demiurgoproject]

Wow this is really smart. Amazing

[@gabrielvorosmarty2291]

I thought about writing some sort of fractal piece for some time. The only idea I would have to make this even more musically Interresing would be to write a longer more complex base melody beeing able to give the feel of chord changes over time with added iterations.

[@danielpirone8028]

Fantastic!

[@someguy7764]

Very. Cool. Thanks!

[@ImpliedMusic]

fascinating. i'm now a fan. subbing. as you do. great work.

[@figmentariumanimation7598]

Mind blowing, subbed.

[@Woochia]

Thanks mate!

[@djtall3090]

Really cool man!

[@feelgoodfire]

Love this!!

[@onedarkside4830]

Loving your content Bro. Such great ideas. Following now. Also Ty for the comb filters - they are heaps good.

[@Woochia]

Thanks a lot!

[@jmsauret]

Amazing !

[@luismoraga684]

thanks for this, really good

[@schwarziat]

Fascinating

[@181grisa]

Wow. Your video looks and sounds like fractal magic. Thank you so much for experimenting with this, my best wishes

[@martinrabiller8048]

This is so great ! I really want to try to achieve something like this. I was thinking about using a vsti patch with a big "complexity" macro. I would start with a pure sine wave for the lowest fractal layer, then the automated macro would add harmonics (by doing some FM synthesis for example) and other crazy stuff while raising in fractal depth :)

[@ammar2008007]

thanks man for share this valuable content for free

[@Woochia]

Haha thanks ^^ and you're welcome

[@jatorresl]

Inspirational... Thanks a lot. I Will try this concepts to make generative music adding a some feeefback to the fractals loops. I believe that it works fine with modular synths. Thanks again

[@crissvolo6047]

So cool!!

[@johngrahamiv]

As for input compiling the final track- yes connect all segments into a cohesive pattern then the white line showing what is being played is analogous to the monitor zooming in on specific portions of the mandlebrot fractal.

[@1.4142]

Sounds cool.

[@hallucinogen4903]

Awesome work done bro. Love your explanation and Video. I will try something using this method and send you.

[@Woochia]

Oh yes, please do! :)

[@abitpoet]

very, very interesting! thanks!

[@ADOLFOIBANEZ73]

Fascinante ❤

[@mib32]

this video is seriously underrated

[@gavinpeters9531]

Hey! I finally found someone who thinks about things like this too!!! Another great video. I've been having fun with AI (LLM mostly for music), is there one coming on this topic?

[@Woochia]

I had plans to make a video about generative AI in music and interview someone who develop such AI, but for now it is lost in the long list of videos I'm planning to make

[@california.g5530]

Mind blown

[@ThongNguyen-fl9jp]

awesome!

[@charlesbrown1365]

Sounds like Bach

[@LoraxPendragon]

I just came across this video because I was thinking about trying out something similar myself. I really enjoyed watching your process and how you put it all together. I do have a recommendation for your transitions. you jump from the fractal melody directly into the next fracton music, I think it would be interesting to hear those melodies speed up and wind up into the tones that make up the same or a similar but different melody. You could also layer the same or other melodies at slower speeds to balance the sounds when they speed up into a monotone. I was thinking about making a song(s) or a set using tones that turn into looped melodies or songs/clips when they are slowed down, so the transitions would be the current melody speeding up into a tone that incorporates its self into the new melody that is a tone from the old melody that has been slowed down. and this concept could be really fun to play around with on a live recording were you can speed up and slow down multiple melodies at the same time in different octaves. However, I am a complete novice when it come to the practicality of sound design, and using daws, creating programs and other tools. So if any of these ideas sound interesting or give you inspirations, I would be happy to hear anything you might make out of it. And I would love to talk more about it because i have countless ideas for music, songs and sound design, I just haven't made time for myself to learn the necessary tools yet.

[@Woochia]

I originally wanted to keep the part where everything speed up progressively until it becomes a tone. But there was 2 things that bothered me : - the transition was very long. It took a long time to really hear things speed up progressively, even if that was speeding up pretty fast - this part was chaotic and not very musical. So in the middle of a song to make a big break, why not, but for a musical example like this, I didn't want it to be mostly unmusical noise :/ The last issue is that I ran into the limitations of my software. You can't speed up a sound as much as I wanted, so I had to use tricks. All in all I decided to shorten this part as it was already enough to get the idea across. From there, anyone can do their own experimentation with these concepts ^^

[@Atomicslash]

I am imagning taking a sample then using fractals create a loop that can be manipulated in real time like a DJ table where you can step the number of iterations up as well as more layers and speed intervals.

[@Woochia]

I imagine there might be a way to do that with max for live 🤔 but I never studied it enough though

[@Landeville]

I have been thinking about this. Maybe you could do follow up video on sound synthesis using fractals?

[@marschi_music3397]

Let's do it together, I'm right now looking for somebody to code a plugin that can do video/image resynthesis in a circle shaped area, so the line, that is collecting brightness and color information moves like the hand of a clock. So basically my take on it is doing image resynthesis on fractal zooms. I think this will serve you with loads of content for rhythmic risers, through a simple tweak and record workflow.

[@3995hz]

I believe it can be simply understood from a basic conceptual level, but in fact, constructing fractal concepts in the music field is not so straightforward. For example, consider establishing a basic rhythmic pattern consisting of two sixteenth notes followed by an eighth note. For this, I use '1' to represent a note and '0' to represent a rest. Numbers close together represent the duration of two sixteenth notes, and a separate number represents the duration of an eighth note. Parentheses indicate the unit of time for this rhythmic pattern. Examples include: (11 1), (1 11), (1 10), (00 1), (01 0), (0), etc. With connections and increases in duration, the rhythm becomes increasingly complex. Adding dimensions such as pitch and dynamics, it becomes extremely complex. I think the difficulty lies in how to use fractal concepts to control the overall structure, or rather, to find a natural logical thread after combining various pitches, rhythms, and dynamics. It's like 3D drawing; how can I be sure that a hill constructed from many triangles is the closest to natural?

[@bendudding]

What about fractal music on the harmonic level? Not quite sure how you would do this but I know some synths like uhe bazille have fractal oscillators.

[@mhr0909]

7:54 sounds like Javanese traditional music. Gamelan orchestra.

[@NeovanGoth]

I think I heard that trick with the perceived acceleration a couple of times in psychedelic trance. Particularly weird when being mile high on acid. ;D

[@Woochia]

Haha, indeed ^^" there's was a song by infected mushroom with this kind of trick. I think it was on the album army of mushrooms

[@hygro9625]

hah I too found the "Recursion in music" paper as well! @2:00

[@hygro9625]

I posted too soon 😳 you, sir, are a right worthy madman

[@stefanhansen5882]

Interesting idea. Have you read the book Does God play dice? It was my first intro to chaos theory.

[@Woochia]

I've heard about it but never read it. I'll probably add it to my book list when I find it :)

[@stefanhansen5882]

@@Woochia It's a classic. :)

[@mrflashbang4304]

Can you make this a stand alone track? This is so nice to listen too!

[@Woochia]

I'm in the process of retaking old uncomplete tracks like this to turn them into finished tracks. Unfortunately, this song didn't make the selection :/

[@mrflashbang4304]

My guy, even just posting this so I can listen to it on repeat would be very nice of you.@@Woochia

[@jbrupam8749]

Did Bach apply this principle to his compositions of FUGUE - it seems similar.

[@Woochia]

It has some similarities :) though, even if some fractal patterns can be found in Bach's music, the principle of a fugue is different. In a fugue, the melody is played by a voice and is then repeated by another voice, then it's repeated by another voice, etc... While this happens, other voices play one or several other counter-melodies. It is not really the same melody sped up or slowed down.

[@jbrupam8749]

@@Woochia Thank you so much. I'm really looking forward to more of your brainstorming research topics. Regards India

[@AvaTillman-hs2lj]

What computer program is this?

[@Woochia]

The music was all made in Ableton Live

[@xsxoliver1720]

Where can I download this

[@Woochia]

What do you mean by this ? The software ? That's Ableton Live

[@vicentetarabelli]

maybe while accelerating it could also go up in pitch ;)

[@M3taSlash]

Listen to Caterina Barbieri

[@Paramashiva_frequency]

May lord Shiva bless you on your musical journey 🕉

[@BlimGlim]

It's feedback.

[@davec5330]

Philip Glass

[@marschi_music3397]

I'm pretty new to producing and I just had the idea to do stuff like you did here. Message me if you're interested in collaborating with me on finding out how to implement this into a creative sound design plugin.

[@patobarajas7207]

Hi, I’m interested :) .

[@marschi_music3397]

@@patobarajas7207 Hi, I kinda lost track of the idea, but as I was experimenting and doing some research I came across a MAX for live device from Dillon Bastan that uses fractal data to sculpt sounds. It is called "fractal filters" and it is free to download on his website. It's not exactly what I imagined and I didn't test it yet, because I'm not very familiar with using Ableton Live. Anyways, here's a link to a video with explanations on how it works and what it does: kzbin.info/www/bejne/f3mrhZSVacqmbs0

[@claroushkakatoes8630]

First

[@disectormusic]

My artist name is “fr4ctal” haha

[@andreamarino95]

Dear Woochia, I loved the video! I am a mathematician and have several ideas about how applying fractals to create a music (mainly to rhythm and to harmony). Please contact me if you are interested in collaborating! I love the project

[@Woochia]

Hi, I'd be very interested to see these ideas, but I don't really have plans to make more fractal-focused content. If you can share some of your ideas here, that would be great, or if you make a video about it, I'd be willing to see that.

[@marshallodom1388]

Very anti IDM

[@whiterottenrabbit]

Thanks for the video, but why the fuck are you constantly putting an emphAsis on a wrong syllAble? **facepalm**

[@qantuum7567]

he's not a native speaker of english I reckon

[@calcradden6293]

He's french g chill out