Frame Trap - Episode 59 "Don't Forget to Break Out"

It's time to HOTTAKE once again! Kyle, Brad, and Ben share their feelings on Mario Tennis Aces, Hitman, Hollow Knight, Earthlock, World of Warcraft, and more. There's also a lengthy chat on which classic games hold up and which don't.
TIMESTAMPS
03:57 - Hollow Knight
18:20 - Mario Tennis Aces
33:38 - World of Warcraft
46:56 - Zone of the Enders: The 2nd Runner - MARS Demo
50:58 - Earthlock
01:01:58 - Hitman
01:15:21 - Kingdom Hearts
01:23:25 - Caught in a Frame Trap - Did we do a countdown on that?
01:38:05 - HOTTAKE - Do these classic games hold up?
02:08:03 - Emails
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[@FakYuhGoogel]

Crash Bandicoot 1 still holds up to me, I've played it so often that nothing in that game is difficult to me. Just fun breezing through it, great vibes everywhere, awesome scenery, fitting music. Just sooo good.

[@Gloop97]

I agree. I never completed Crash 1, barely played Crash 2 and completed Crash 3 multiple times on PS1 and bought the N.Sane Trilogy a while back and I think they hold up very well. I complete all three games and had a blast.There are some levels that are extremely difficult and there are occasional moments where you feel like it's the games fault but overall they are very good games in opinion. The characters, level design, music, world are so unique in terms of vibes even till this day.

[@joshwaldtheanimator]

Hey Kyle, the stars appear in Mario Tennis when you return the ball with the wrong shot. Blues shots must be returns with red shots. Red Shots with blue shots. And Purple Shots with Purple Shots.

[@lystic9392]

Joshua Wald Please upvote his post. Some important info there. That makes the shot types matter more than I thought they would.

[@darthmarth87]

A new FT? I've never Ben Moore excited! I'm not sorry

[@purplatypus7405]

HOLY CRAP STUFFONAROCK! you are the man!!! I cant believe I haven't seen this for so long! I am just catching up on missed episodes. So much love my man thanks for the shout out. #L&R

[@justinrunge]

This crew. Gundam-building vibes.

[@8rb1]

Justin Runge nice INSIDE icon

[@soulful_chris]

Sidenote: Everyone SHOULD watch Hunter X Hunter.

[@dng2usb]

Chris C I usually like to read the manga before watching the anime, but I'm finding it hard to get into this manga. There's nothing compelling (to me) about the character in the first few chapters that I've read. Naruto, One Piece, Bleach, Berserk, JoJo's Bizarre Adventure, and My Hero Academia (to name only a few) were each able to grab my attention within the first few chapters, either through the art style, subject matter, or world building. What's the draw to Hunter X Hunter for you? Edit to say: I realize you said to watch the anime, but if I can't get into the manga (CREATOR'S INTENT), I usually skip the anime. Do you think people should skip the manga in this case?

[@KingKien95]

dng2usb I got into the manga after I watched the anime. Picked up right where it the anime leaves off. The story continues in the manga after where the anime ends, but the anime itself is still a complete story.

[@dng2usb]

KingKien1 Thanks for the reply! I'll start the anime after I get caught up on the MHA anime.

[@blakejohnson3965]

dng2usb i haven't read the manga, but i can say that i found it extremely hard getting into the anime at first, but once it gets going it's actually pretty damn good.

[@dng2usb]

Blake Johnson What episode do you think that was for you, number-wise? Just so I know how many I *might* have to slog through? I want to get into this series, but it's definitely slow-going... Thanks for your insight!

[@DerUserX]

I just want to chime in and say Crash Bandicoot absolutely holds up.

[@old3nglish_234]

DerUserX it didn't hold up when it was first released. It's an aggressively mediocre game.

[@DerUserX]

wrong

[@Segab]

It holds up to your nostalgia of it, maybe. Did you only own a PS1? As a kid who owned a N64 and only rented the PS1, I loved platformers like Mario, Banjo, DK, Kirby, Spyro, Ape Escape, but when it came to Crash I despised it because it was so damn inferior to everything else. The perspective makes no sense, it's imprecise as hell, and running toward the camera is just terrible design. Having to break all the boxes is also tedious and just ruins any momentum a level could have.

[@dcashley303]

The original? It has it's moments but the save system is so frustrating. 2 and 3 are sooo much better.

[@DerUserX]

They were talking about the remade one from the N.sane trilogy, though. They adjusted the save system in that. I really love the tight and challenging platforming.

[@thereflextester_]

I know Frame Trap doesn't do corrections, but...CORRECTION: The name of the game that Thrillhouse gets his name from is Bonestorm.

[@everlastilngsilver9086]

Also the Hitman game coming later this year is called Hitman 2 not Hitman season 2.

[@Curllube]

KYLE YOU FREAK. Walking Dead Season 1 HOLDS UP. Played through all of them last year (S1 for the third time). It's the story that's good in that game and it still is. The art style also holds up.

[@TinnedWaffles]

Someone put Kyle in a bin and roll him down a hill

[@Kapenguin448]

Agreed. In my mind it's without a doubt the best season.

[@MOONDOGGIESWTF]

Hollow Knight is mandatory discussion on every Frame Trap until every Ally plays it. I'm only half kidding but the game was 100% GOTY. Also Ben, I don't know if you knew this but you can force equip over your notch limit but you become very vulnerable and take a lot more damage IIRC.

[@RebirthCrusader90]

I thought Second Life was a dumb thing that only my college cared to emphasize, that made me laugh so hard that two of you had to deal with it as well. I had the exact same experience. I logged in and was immediately surrounded by naked people in a virtual club, every student in the class trolled them, and then we halfheartedly made our own little creations before having to meet up virtually at the end.

[@mileswilliams4807]

Coming home after working construction for 10 hours in the shitty Southern Illinois weather, and seeing a notification for a Frame Trap really makes my day better. Thanks for always putting out quality videos, dudes. Love and Respect!

[@mateuszdabrowski6348]

Daniel Kayser and his beautiful hair. I miss EBC.

[@alexanderchilton911]

Hollow Knight on Switch is so good man. I absolutely adore it, played it for like 18 hours already. Perfect for the system. Thanks for the continuous push of that game.

[@ianbarker8556]

What temporarily killed my Fire Emblem hype was 2019

[@HasuLife]

Love and Respect

[@generalwoofles6240]

Don't forget Ben, Yakuza 2 remaster in August. I KNOW you're playing that!

[@___IG]

Imagine Easy Allies, but everyone is Brad.

[@adonis2418]

“Alright let’s be real, doesn’t hold up” 😂😂

[@pallyjaius]

As someone that's gotten back into WoW, for the ramp up to the expansion next month, I really got a kick out of the WoW discussion

[@DeathsxKeeper]

Correction: Bambi is a boy not a girl

[@tylerstravis]

Hollow Knight is the best thing I've played this year! I've been waiting for the Switch release since your Don't Skip. About 30 hours in and there is still so much more to tackle!

[@Not_Liquid]

“Orbital Frame” is such a badass name.

[@mrhipshot]

Oh my god THANK YOU KYLE. I completely forgot you could get the win by breaking their rackets in Mario Tennis Aces. I’ve been stuck on this one guy for so long. THANK YOU. L&R

[@macguyver7807]

Thanks for recommending Earthlock, I was thinking about buying the game.

[@GG-jl4lz]

On the topic of charms in Hollow Knight, you can actually overcharm, using more notches than the ones you have avaiable. It's a cool mechanic that you guys haven't mentioned.

[@HArryvajonas]

I have to say, I enjoy Frametrap as much as the weekly Allies podcast. Both hosts are very adept at asking the right questions and steering the conversation in an interesting direction. Thanks again for helping me get through the work week! You guys get a bonus hotdog with mustard (and your choice of condiment) for 1000% less use of the word "like" compared to other videogame podcasts.

[@nick4810]

Deebrickashaw Last I never realised before you just said it but the best thing about the Allies is they don't say 'like' every other word, so many Americans say it so much its infuriating.

[@HArryvajonas]

Rayza NC, Specifically hosts of videogame podcasts. I listen to many genres of podcasts and I have stopped listening to a handful because the hosts drop multiple uses of the word "like" in a single sentence. I am American and grew up during the 80's and 90's when the use of that word took hold. It has reached a point where people use it so frequently, if it was removed from a playback of they're commentary, it would be nonsense. I have never been a grammar A hole but the use of the word "like" is just out of control. Stop, gather your thoughts, pause again maybe one second, then spit out your thoughts.

[@TheEregos]

The Chuck Norris thing is funny, i remember Blizzard where the first to accept meme's and made a Chuck Norris commercial that was amazing around Wotlk time.

[@BriceH9]

Now rewatching yu yu hakusho thank you for this

[@Highwaysonyfan87]

10/10 at that shout out to SuperBunnyHop

[@racheltheilade8577]

*single tear*.... gauntlet legends holds up.

[@danielmales123]

Ben making me wanna get back and finish Hitman

[@djk287]

Link to the Past holds up and will hold up forever. Such a classic game, just beat it again this year.

[@Small_Leviathan]

Something I think is really cool about Hollow Knight's Shade mechanic that I don't think a lot of people talk about is that's a really natural way to make you more curious about the story. They could just have left your Geo on the ground for you to pick up, but your dead body turning into a colour-inverted ghost version of yourself was something that, personally, really caught me off-guard and made me start questioning just who or what the protagonist is. It isn't just a meaningless death punishment mechanic, it holds some real weight and story implications and that is something I think is really novel.

[@Thuriazs]

Evaluating Tomb Raider when nobody on the panel has played it recently, classy. In the world where you can literally beat platforming sections in 3rd person action/adventure games with your eyes closed, classic TR is a very unique experience with extremely deliberate controls so there's a learning curve. And it did environments like few games since. You know how people praise Dark Souls for forcing you to really take in the world around you in order to make progress? Well Tomb Raider did the same exact thing in 1996. If there's anything about it that doesn't hold up, it's the shooting, but there isn't a lot of it. Having said that, TR2 was a big improvement over TR1. Source: I played them earlier this year. Holds up.

[@HGRezende]

Almost a month late on this one, just wanted to say that I'm an Earthlock backer and ended up never playing it (oops). Hearing Kyle talk about it motivates me to start it up sooner rather than later, especially with it being on the shorter side.

[@MisterShine7]

"You just need to kill some time and you look at the people you're with and you say... "Smash?" ... then you do it for 10 to 15 minutes.. probably never going to happen to me!" BEN!!! This is a family channel :O

[@lystic9392]

I loved the quiz as a kid. I knew most answers too.

[@lucaslui9665]

yes Kyle! Limited Run rocks!! support it guys!

[@TinyDancerX99]

You get the ability to shoot bees near a bee farm in Bioshock

[@metalmilitia89]

Banjo Tooie holds up.

[@sacredarfaid3699]

I like it better than the original.

[@Starkride48]

I agree. I've always enjoyed Tooie way more than the original.

[@nick4810]

I always found it annoying how much time is spent wandering around looking for something to do, that game needs a map

[@enzumah]

I'm that guy. I played The Walking Dead season 1 earlier this year. And granted, it was still my first Telltale-style game... but it worked so well. I got emotional more often than with any other game I ever played. HOLDS UP.

[@Hazz3r]

Hitman 2016 is a masterpiece. Spent 60 hours in that game before finally moving on to other things, but could easily go back and waste more time, going for challenges, excalations, etc. My favourite things about that game is the story in each individual level, which has always been more interesting than whatever overall narrative there is for the game. Bangkok and Sapienza especially have absolutely fascinating plots that are incredibly satisfying to discover all the pieces and how they fit together.

[@8rb1]

I think we can all agree that Killua destroys Yamcha

[@dcashley303]

34:20 a wild Sensual-Wipe Kyle approaches

[@Fleetw00d]

"Hi, my name is Michael Huber, and THIS is the Syndrome." Not a bad idea for The Michael Huber Syndrome. Though I'll miss the hard and loose Huber Syndrome opening.

[@Zanarkand99]

Writes Earthlock down as possible future game :D

[@ZrKy7]

Timeless/aged convos really rile me up.

[@MaxJahner]

Oh hey, PSA for tiny group of people who probably won't see this: If you bought Earthlock under its previous title (Earthlock: Festival of Magic), you might need to go find it in the store you bought it from and purchase it again for... Free. That was worded poorly. I bought it on PSN and when I looked up Earthlock no subtitle it was a separate entry with the cost of "free" tied to it. I'm going to have to give it a second shot. Didn't get far the first time, but love to hear about devs who continue to improve games that need it.

[@mi2-c035]

16:45 that's my best memories with the Switch so far: tabletop mode with friends playing competitive or co-op games. (I spent months playing Puyo Puyo Tetris that way last year). It really sucks playing with a single joycon but it's still the only option for local multiplayer on the go.

[@kwagmeijer26]

CORRECTION: Bambi is a he. In fact, Bambi going through puberty and finding girl deer attractive is a pretty big part of the movie, and he has antlers by the end. Thought that was important enough to point out.

[@8rb1]

I like Tien but love GON! Really enjoyed the attention that Hunter x Hunter and Hollow Knight got in this episode. 😊

[@adonis2418]

I’m shocked the crew doesn’t like crash. As a first time player of crash on the remaster, I loved it, even the first one.

[@baning23]

That was definitely 100% Kaiser

[@NamekianPOSTBOY]

Walking Dead season 1 HOLDS UP.

[@Bman54X]

Banjo-Kazooie is in my top 3 of all time, so it definitely holds up. The controls are a little iffy, but the levels, music and graphics are all still great. Weird thing though, Gobi's Valley is one of my least favourite in the game, unlike Kyle and Ben. It's not bad in any way, but doesn't feel particularly special. Click Clock Wood and Freezeezy Peak would be my favourites.

[@Bman54X]

The only good part of Spirit Tracks is that theme. The rest of it sucks

[@franzusgutlus54]

Switch...only handheld mode for me. Love it!

[@chumphonFC]

Damnit, you finally pushed me over the edge to buy a copy of Hitman Definitive edition.

[@VGJunky]

Don't have VR but still bought ZoE2 just to play that sick game again in HD

[@ML-pg8cq]

It’s funny Ben says that about Banjo Tooie because growing up I actually preferred Banjo Tooie. I don’t know if I could defend it now that I’m older but I still love it. Funny enough as a kid I liked all the story and cutscenes even though it brings the game to a halt.

[@sacredarfaid3699]

The the Banjo Kazooie quiz salt is still in effect, I see. The hate for it is over blown IMO. There was a nice variety in the types of questions: Audio, Visual, Trivia and Challenge based. Some of the question are a bit obscure, but I feel they could be conquered those with basic test taking skills. The characters, music and sound effects were memorable enough to make for reasonable questions.

[@Segab]

It's not really that it's hard, it's just out of place both thematically and gameplay wise.

[@sacredarfaid3699]

I can't see that, but it never felt as jarring to me. It was obviously a new and surprising turn, but didn't feel problematic for me because it wasn't something that need a lot of explaining to play it effectively. It just felt like a unique culmination to your adventure. Just a fun way to revisit the game.

[@CriticalMax]

Nice episode! Correction: The girl in Goldeneye is not Natasha, but Natalya!

[@Maztuhmind]

They were going to release an Akira game around the early 90's for the Genesis, but it never happened. There is some footage of it though. Could have been cool.

[@darksydeernie]

47:22 Please be the Caught In A Frame Trap word...

[@CrissCHG]

correction (i think) kyle was talking about the opening of tomb raider 2 not the first one

[@alexandredoiron2124]

I love Banjo's quizzes

[@ahorserunning]

I too miss the beauty booois callout from Ian. Since Kyle asked, there was an episode of Mandatory Update Nights where Ian essentially said the beauty bois are the fans that will watch literally anything from beginning to end regardless of what the content is, just because it was produced by you guys. That was pretty much every GT fan when the sink was shipping...ever so slowly. So yeah, most EZA fans are beauty bois by default.

[@dafoomie]

Sonic CD! Amazing intro, holds up.

[@AFriendlyRobot]

I just wanna say I'm 24 and I played the first Tomb Raider not too long ago on friends recommendation, and it's still one hell of a game. Yes the controls and the camera are awkward and and rigid, but there's a finesse to it and to the way Lara moves through her environment. To me, more than Uncharted and more than most recent games, this is one the few real 3D platforming games, where traversal through a world is the problem and a puzzle that you have to solve through careful observation and daring exploration. The fact that controling Lara is hard only makes it a better experience in my mind because what she's doing IS hard, you feel her effort. I loved most of that game, being very late to the party. That being said, the shooting was pretty shitty.

[@JakeMoody_]

Crash 1? No. Crash 2? ABSOLUTELY.

[@kenshokram]

Walking Dead holds up, Half Life 2 holds up, and Ben please replay Half Life 2, the only one that seems to fiercely defend it in the allies is Huber and we need a fresh take, it really is still an incredible game!

[@markernst7494]

I've actually been planning to go back to Walking Dead Season 1 to play it with my partner, haha.

[@clockstomper]

Yay! Yu Yu Hakusho! One of the few dubs that is better than the original.

[@soulful_chris]

Dude YES. Turok totally holds up but yeah, probably more specifically the remastered version.

[@ricardoabarca5229]

Kyle is straight up wrong about Gon from HxH, he absolutely has limits and the one of the things that make HxH interesting is seeing how they actually overcome those limitations in believable ways, unlike just powering up through their sheer will as in DBZ. And just doing an unfair but direct comparisson of Tien and Gon, I have a hard time believing Gon would win that fight, power levels in dbz are just higher all over.

[@alexanderchilton911]

Ricardo Abarca He still has plot armor though, Tien doesn't :p

[@lukedbsyt]

I'm right there with you about VR, Ben. In fact, I think I might be even worse. I recently bought a PSVR and was hard out on it after feeling so sick one day while playing Resident Evil 7, I couldn't even eat for the rest of the day. It's a bummer, by my PSVR is now back in the box indefinetely. The cost of my well being is just too high and, if I'm being completely honest, I didn't find it to be all that immersive with the super low resolution and the bluriness, minuscule field of view and mess of cables, so it's really hard for me to justify insisting on it while feeling so awful. Will probably try it again for tetris effect and beat saber, but that's about it.

[@andyclouser5139]

Walking Dead Season 1 episodes 3 and 5 certainly holds up. The whole thing holds up if you haven't played it yet. Plus any telltale game is a good introduction to video games.

[@oimrqs1691]

You guys should timestamp the emails!

[@ncxcarnage]

cyberpunk 2077 might as already well be an Akira game lol

[@brawly]

Crash 1 doesn't hold up (especially in the remake). 2 and 3 absolutely do.

[@andenogma]

I didn't know Brad plays WoW, wich realm?

[@matthewmigler1623]

Super hype for Fire Emblem myself, since it's one of my favorite series, but I totally see how it gets a Lukewarm reception. Plot wise, we know little, and from what we can gleam, it's not every exciting or interesting just yet. Regardless of how people feel about Fates, from the get go the story and overall theme of two very different kingdoms clashing sounded awesome. And no doubt the visuals could be better, especially for the map from what we've seen. But I am sure it will look awesome with more time. Recent Nintendo games usually have a huge visual jump from earlier trailers to launch.

[@Aussie27Legend]

I love the furnace of fun fight me!

[@Happinesstwin]

Man I just finished kh final mix (first time playing kh in a good 10 years) and it's amazing. I personally don't think the jumping was bad, but 100 acre woods and Atlantica are absolutely terrible. Anyone that hasn't played it and has access to a PS4; it is absolutely with paying, especially if you can find it on sale. Highly recommended and I'm glad that some of the allies are playing through it again though.

[@YoungsterSkaymore]

Phantom Hourglass IS GREAT

[@elfynde8863]

first tomb raider holds up, levels are a real challenge unlike the new ones, and the end of that game is scary holy shit

[@charoleawood]

I wouldn't play OG Banjo today, just the Xbox Live version or else emulated with cheats activated. Why? Because on N64 in every stage all 100 notes present in those stages has to be collected without dieing or leaving the world. And for that reason, I'm out.

[@Kareemelb]

Surprised they wont give mario tennis online multiplayer. Its soo addicting

[@soulful_chris]

I was almost about to go into Frame Trap withdrawl.

[@fillinthevideogameblanks914]

I am surprised no one mentioned that if you like physical media on some digital only games you should also check out play asia. they have some physical games that are only released digital sometimes.

[@bxfguif]

Banjo-Tooie is excellent! Witchy World is the best world in either game hands down.

[@Garoth4582]

I've never understood the VR motion sickness. I guess I'm just lucky because I haven't had the issues.

[@Maztuhmind]

Gregory Joslin I once got motion sickness from playing Halo. If that's possible, then I can't imagine the effects of VR.

[@JosephLeeEun]

Love and Respect!!

[@jackw5430]

an Akira racing game

[@Frumlock]

"Are we beauty boys?" HELL YES!! ... :'-) L&R

[@fin9672]

I defiantly consider myself a Beauty Boi. I thought we where an old and forgotten order but if Kyle is going on the record in saying the Beauty Bois are not only, not forgotten but are infact the forerunner for an Ally!? This is big news for the Beauty Bois indeed.

[@daniellec6337]

It is bonkers that Hollow Knight is almost as large as a dark souls for only $15. It's so good and I can't believe I almost slept on it. Imo it's an honorary soulbourne.

[@danielmales123]

Danielle C its to big and unfocused with repetitive enviroments people overhype this game way to much

[@Parenegade]

TWD S1 definitely holds up. I just GameFlyed it last week in preparation for the end of the series.

[@PedroNarra]

The people online are goooood, alarmingly good. I strugle everytime to pass the first round of the tournament and lose everytime in the second round.

[@charoleawood]

1:44:00 Nope, I adore Nuts and Bolts

[@charoleawood]

And Sonic Adventure, love it, holds up.