Frame Trap - Episode 68 "Guns and Glory"

Ben, Huber, and Kyle drill into Red Dead Redemption 2, Battlefield V, Tetris Effect, and more on a high-spirited episode of Frame Trap.
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13:15 - Tetris Effect
28:14 - Red Dead Redemption 2
52:57 - Battle Chef Brigade
01:00:44 - Hitman 2
01:20:07 - Caught in a Frame Trap: Bonus HOTTAKE - The FFXV DLC cancellation and Tabata's departure
01:39:14 - Battlefield V
01:55:25 - HOTTAKE: With Destiny 2 not meeting Activision's sales expectations, what does that mean for the future?
02:17:59 - Emails
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[@jigarbov]

Oh no... Kyle's on to me.

[@brawly]

I knew there would be a RDR2 rant by Kyle and he delivered.

[@Geinrendour]

Gotta start making that God of War case.

[@DragoSaul]

He’s gonna hate the epilogue

[@rafael471992]

He's absolutely right imo in the way the game is so linear and restrictive. The funny thing is that I still loved every hour I spent in this game.

[@kasperpedersen6672]

Kyle delivers some of the best rants. This was so nice to have, considering how much praise RDR2 gets without any negatives.

[@jlr3739]

Really? I thought it was about as interesting as a reddit comment (as in boring and totally expected).

[@vadanu]

I really love when Kyle teases Huber. And I can see he loves doing it!

[@BriceH9]

If you think Arthur doesn’t change based on his decisions just read the journal you won’t regret it

[@samuelcardwell577]

I'd love Kyle to write an essay about the meaning of Tetris. He's expressed so many fascinating ideas about the game and what it says about life that it'd be lovely to have all that distilled into one piece.

[@pallyjaius]

Really appreciate different perspectives on RDR 2 as someone that has sunk in 100hrs plus now. Also Kyle 35:15 Arthur can literally take a knee, hold Triangle/Y out in the world, and Arthur will 'rest', kneeling down on one knee.

[@HadesWTF]

I NEED Bossman RDR spoiler talk.

[@DragoSaul]

HadesWTF we need a rant on the epilogue lol

[@pacocarrillo1574]

I think Kyle didn't finish the game

[@tetopeto1]

The Awesome Trio!

[@jean-alexandrethibault3892]

Best gaming show on the KZbins

[@zerodef10]

I love Hubers passionate defense of Arthur and the importance of personal decisions made by the player. I agree completely.

[@happyraccoon1]

Totally bro, i love so much arthur, he's such a unique character, the right hand man, wondering if hes been making the good choices in life, awesome game.

[@damour0007]

I love all the allies but damnn that chemistry with you 3 is hard to beat good podcast

[@amandakrueger6462]

Great episode beginning to end, worth the wait :) Also, thank you for the time stamps, I click to the HOTTAKE first thing just to get the good vibes going.

[@TinyDancerX99]

So glad someone at EZA finally played Battle Chef Brigade. One of the best indies I've played in the past couple years. Ben is spot on, from concept to execution it's just excellent.

[@tiggerdyret]

Today's ensemble is my Frame Trap dream team.

[@TAHK0]

Just set my microwave to cook my TV dinner for 16 minutes because they were currently talking about final fantasy 16 oops

[@drifter6870]

Little Pig.. Little Pig.

[@VanderJamesHum]

look out its the the dream team, the three amigos.

[@captgeech]

I think if you're playing Red Dead expecting it's the kind of game where you're getting more powerful to overcome the ending, you are going to be very disappointed because that's not it at all. I just beat the story and while there's no game clock I have to imagine i'm over 100 hours because I spent a lot, a lot a lot of time just experiencing the world and living in it and totally sinking in to the slow parts. Going on long hunting trips and running into random little encounters, playing a lot of poker. It's definitely the opposite of a video game-y video game.

[@rawleyfear5749]

Wait, you never found the Ice Shotgun +10? Or the Revolver with +10% damage to O'Driscolls?

[@WhammyTime91]

While I disagree with Kyle's opinions on Red Dead, it makes for a lively debate.

[@rawleyfear5749]

Hard to disagree with the mass murderer take, though. And how there are infinite amounts of your opposing gang.

[@DaRkLoRd-rc5yu]

i will say i find the cocking of the repeater pretty satisfying between shots

[@ennur4208]

A good guy move, was Square-Enix letting IO Interactive keep the Hitman IP.

[@junkyryan138]

1:11:17 Kyle's face: "Oh no it's gonna spill" 1:11:19 "Ooooo it does not? Impressive."

[@dearkazuscorner2549]

That's what VR does: turns this barebones version of tetris into something fresh and exciting

[@pallyjaius]

Don't skip fortification building Huber. Played a Frontlines map that our team was struggling on, me and another teammate started building a trench that blocked the snipers view across a bridge. Our team rallied behind that fortification was able to push pretty hard. Large sandbag walls are also good at funneling people around objectives in Conquest.

[@smokeyman1121]

It's so weird completely seeing both sides of Huber and Bosman's experience with the game. For me, a lot of times there was just way too much realism where fast travel from wherever you are to camp or whatever town you wanted to go to would have been a lot easier and wouldn't have taken my enjoyment out of the game. As in there was enough realism in the rest of the game to make me feel like I was role-playing Arthur without it having to be tedious. But, exploring and meeting people on side quests were some of the best parts of the game for me, as Huber implied in saying it's all about the journey. I wish on the other hand that it would have been more videogamey by letting me complete a side quest with a character I really liked right away because I was invested in them and not have it come only when certain conditions were met, like with the scientist guy who needed it to be raining and lightning for the quest to show up. I wanted the rest of his story after that, but he never again appeared on my map in my playthrough until even after I finished the game and it's a bummer because I wanted to see what else he had in store for me and the trophy will go unfulfilled now that I have hung the game up, for the time being at least.

[@tarmantim3015]

I got a lot of Shenmue vibes from RDR2 which I was not expecting.

[@yodal_]

2:33:13 That look killed me!

[@jacobwiman3733]

CORRECTION: Battlefield 5 squad leader. If he suckes and you request order and won’t get it in 60 sec you will become the leader

[@GamingInTheWild]

Beautiful description of the cumulative quality of RDR2 from Huber here

[@mckloggins]

The GOTY debate is about to be HEATED lol, can't wait!

[@melloking7780]

This whole episode was one giant Hottake!!! And Huber breaking last minute was the best pay off! Hahaha! LnR!

[@xBroskix]

Yess the Kyle, Huber combo

[@Frumlock]

hahahaha the Syndrome crepet in at the end :P L&R ✌

[@seanmegamitensei]

2:33:13 eternal mood, love ya ben

[@AlexKing-wd8ny]

"That is a Hottake"

[@joaofreitas2899]

Love and respect 👌

[@ashe666]

THE DREAM TEAM

[@razasaeed5053]

Really enjoyed the discussion on Destiny 2. I think Ben's idea of Destiny 3 going free to play is a good one. There has been so much added competition in the multiplayer space since the original Destiny launched, of course Destiny is not going to command the same market share that it once did. Providing an easier barrier to entry and learning from the successful monetization that Fortnite has implemented could really benefit the game. On the other hand, I feel like Fortnite was a perfect storm for Epic. The battle royale genre was insanely popular at the time with PUBG, the game was free to play, and the art style seemed to appeal to a wider audience. Also, maybe the first person loot based shooter is just not in vogue anymore and may never be as popular as it once was.

[@MrDannyWright]

No need to throw shade at Garrett, he is easily the "Stealth Master". While I love Hitman, it's more of a puzzle game than a stealth game. Garrett, Sam Fisher and Rikimaru are the stealth guys.

[@kactuso]

Guys, play Episode Ignis!!

[@rinaldus4512]

“You don’t need 50 characters” Stephen King and David Foster Wallace would like to have a word with you.

[@NamekianPOSTBOY]

Rolling and spot dodges were nerfed in Ultimate, so maybe that will hurt Brad's performance in the Smash Tourney lol

[@terencecaron2922]

Magic trinity right there. Short frametrap though it seems, only 2:30hrs ! JK, thanks ben !

[@ImCookii]

My biggest complaint with RDR 2 is the weapon equipment, you get of your horse and you have different guns from what you had before. If you have too many guns you gotta cycle through so fucking many to find the gun you need.

[@ncxcarnage]

Battlefield 5 has the Request orders option that removes the slacking fireteam leader is really nice

[@stinkinmushroom]

GOTY: Tetris Effect

[@meganlinart948]

If you told me at the beginning of the year that the next Tetris game would make me cry and be my GOTY the same year RDR2 would release? I would have laughed at you, but here we are.

[@RizzRaz]

"Tetris will be your GOTY." That's preposterous, I-- "Tetsuya Mizuguchi." I'M YOURS FOREVER

[@Ayoul]

I don't get it. Anywhere else online, people are bashing the game for being too much for casual and too middle of the road for hardcore Tetris players. Is it just that some people are missing something when critiquing this?

[@RizzRaz]

@@Ayoul I think part of the problem is that that "Mizuguchi touch" that some of us know and love is the most subtly (albeit deftly) applied in this case out of every game it's applicable to. Thus you're left with a large contingent of potential players stymied by a $40 price tag who can't think past "it's just Tetris", a half-truth that undersells the experience for anyone who doesn't know what they're missing, and upon reducing that $40 experience to "just Tetris" people are understandably critical of that crucial element. That Mizuguchi touch just results in something far greater than the sum of its parts, but you'd have to play it through to really know it.

[@Ayoul]

@@RizzRaz Thanks for the reply. I'll definitely check it out one day as I love me some good Tetris and it really looks like an experience on top of that gameplay I know and love.

[@peterwilkinson1975]

I've been playing alot of battlefield since it came out and the grand operations mode is really standout. It's like rush from battlefield bad company 2. In the later battlefield games they have tried to mimic bad companies rush, but it's usually just a refitting of a conquest map to work with rush objectives, with the end result being a mediocre mode that feels tacked on. The engineer being able to build in Grand operations is amazing. You can basically build sprawling forts and defenses around the objectives, it's pretty crazy. A good engineer can build defenses that can carry a win if the other team doesn't built offensive "forts". You can wall off whole flank routes with sandbags with the only way to clear them is with explosives.This leads to some really cool stand offs. When both teams are unloading across a field from both their "forts", it can be pretty magical with tanks and planes bombing the defences. There are alot fewer tanks running around, but one tiger tank can make all the difference in breaking a standoff. Also they randomize the objectives type for each round so it's not "arm" the objectives mode every round. Something that's interesting I pre-ordered the game, but got premier so I wouldn't have to wait two extra weeks. On the launcher next to the play button theres an offer to quickly refund my game since im playing with premier. I thought this was strange because game companies usually arn't so eager to refund a game after I bought it. They are really pushing for people to subscribe to premier over buying the game outright. Like making people who pre-ordered it wait half a month, when they paid 60$ vs 15$ for the subscription.

[@DeviMon1]

I'm with you Ben, Tetris Effect is 10/10

[@Saxm13]

Ignis DLC alone was worth the season pass. Definitely one of the best side stories i've ever played.

[@mushinjedi6526]

"Kill this guy or let him go" is such a by the numbers Open world 'choice' that it's hardy that impactful at this point. I mean that's basically the crux of 90% of your engagements in Mass Effect lol

[@RandyVie86]

Please play the Ignis DLC, it's amazing

[@treebush]

The amount of O driscoil actually makes sense since its not actually his man hes constantly acquiring people as we can tell from Dutch and Kirans dialogue. Its more like he contracts alot of other gangs and wanders.

[@ziadbruh]

really appreciate kyle pushing back on red dead

[@zhontigue]

RDR2 is less of a sandbox, more of a themepark

[@mwmrhdm]

I love holding pieces, I like slamming... a lot! -Ben Moore, 2018

[@Bynoe]

I wanna know what made Ben laugh about the ending of Tetris Effect.

[@hoopyy782]

Huber is 100% correct about Red Dead 2, it's about the journey. If you've played the first game, you pretty much know how the second one will end. Also, the manual cocking of guns feels amazing.

[@InputOne]

Battlefield V... DON'T. SKIP. So surprised at how well that game came together after the rocky beta. Feels good to be playing a great Battlefield! The campaign is one of the series' best.

[@sircrimz]

1:11:13 Almost had a heart attack

[@brannonh7406]

The way Kyle feels about Red Dead Redemption 2 is the way I feel about every Rockstar game except for Red Dead Redemption 2. Other than the combat and controls, it just feels different than all of their other games in a better way. The characters aren't overly cliche or annoying, there is way more variety in the missions and the game feels like it was given much more care than games like GTA V or GTA IV

[@jlr3739]

Kyle, if you don't respond to RDR2s calls to become more invested in the world outside of just story missions, you're missing an enormous part of what makes it so special. I don't know why you'd rob yourself of that

[@UziSuicide666]

31:54 out of context this will be very funny

[@DaYoda191]

I loved Hitman 2016, it wasn't perfect, but I played it a lot. I would just come back time and time again and always had a great time. And IO supported the game really well, lots of free add on content and new challenges, it was great. If Hitman 2 is just more of the same, I'm happy. Though I would like to see them add a stage or 2 in the form of DLC which they never did for the first game. Very hyped!

[@DFAZaNDRiC]

Building in BF5 can be an absolute tide turner in grand operations. Not as important on conquest besides a few examples like tank stoppers between B and D on Rotterdam.

[@tmoczygemba]

Huber needs to grow some.

[@johnwiswell4022]

2:33:10 is my favorite Ben thing of all time.

[@YoungsterSkaymore]

I think Smash is bigger than you guys realize. If you grew up in the GameCube era or later, you played Smash. Especially because of the Wii, even most nongamers from that era know Smash

[@andrer4508]

RDR2 is ALL about exploring kyle! the main story is the side mission in this game.

[@babyryanimay]

I want bungie to go hideo kojima on Activision

[@CBRzWhiteRhyno]

I played all the episodes for final fantasy 15, prompto and gladio aren’t great, but the ignis episode is awesome it’s definitely a don’t skip in my opinion.

[@TinyDancerX99]

King K Rool is a joke. But Piranha Plant is cool...Kyle being Kyle

[@mattiaberselli7698]

Hitman 2 is so good, so so good.

[@AlexBrowne1993]

You can get SS Rank in Marathon mode with just Tetrises if you start at level 15. I got a score of 613k that way. Still pales in comparison to scores earned by expectational T-spin/combo strats though

[@trounbyfire]

Finally someone mentioned it started with gta Sa

[@brannonh7406]

Chapter 3 was so incredible that I almost wish that was the end of the story because Chapter 4 was just far below Chapter 3 and made the game move slowly after that

[@Maxbeedo2]

All the talk about Tetris Effect made me go back to watch KevinDDR at AGDQ2015 get a standing ovation during Tetris The Grandmaster 3. Such a hype moment.

[@calvinbarboza]

I agree with about Red Dead and Rockstar games in general

[@treebush]

OH man kyle some of those "help me people" can have pretty emotion if you help them or talk to them and actually build arthurs development or how arthur effect them. You can tell which are the good ones by the outfit they are wearing like the homeless veteran in valentine

[@Killingston42]

Let Blood choose the next tournament

[@ajfsound]

Kyle has missed out not playing Tetris Effect in VR - almost every review says that this is the best way to play it - even digital foundry recommend the VR version over playing on a large flat screen

[@timeeee9191]

After Ben talked about Battle Chef Brigade i went and checked the price on my switch. But i didn't want to pay 20 Bucks for it. Today i randomly checked my twitch games and it turns out i already own Battle Chef Brigade. So if you, like me, just add all free twitch games without really checking them out you might also find this in your library. can't hurt to check.

[@faroff22]

Controls are fine

[@Ahlgreenz]

That guy from FFXV, Arden (is that how you spell it) sounds an awful lot like The Wanderer from Diablo 2.

[@lystic9392]

1:42:10 Huber's colorblind? (My superdad is redgreen colorblind too.)

[@HumanCapybara]

34:30 Huber is soooo right on this one!

[@MrIsaac95]

Like 80% of RDR2's missions are shooting dudes.

[@tristankimball834]

Kyle is so right on some of his red dead opinions. I hate the main mission ratings. It bothers me so much that I can't even see the mission goals until I finish the mission. Really enjoyed the main story, though. So many awesome stranger missions, too. One of the most beautiful and detailed open world's of all time.

[@Ayoul]

The issue with showing the objectives before or during the mission for designers is that it forces the players to play a certain way and some would restart before the mission is over if they failed a single objective. I guess they don't want that. I think they should just hide the rating at the end and let the players who want to replay missions discover that there are side objectives through the menus or something. Then you run into the issue of having an incentive for replayability that's completely hidden from the players, but it could be an alternative.

[@tristankimball834]

@@Ayoul Yea, thats not a bad idea. I wish there wasn't an achievement tied to getting gold on 70 missions but the achievements in this game kind of suck anyway imo. I don't like online achievements, there r a few missables, and having to study every animal is ridiculous.

[@Ayoul]

@@tristankimball834 Agree with this. It should more often be something like "do 50-75% of something" to unlock the achievement. Especially when it would otherwise take dozens of hours more. At the same time, achievements should really be achievements. I'm torn haha.

[@defearl]

Ben, Kyle, and Huber must not follow the scene. Sakurai went out of his way to make Smash "for everybody". In fact, he openly said he doesn't like the competitive crowd because it's a small subset of the playerbase at large. If Smash was "for hardcore", they would have made a successor to Melee a long time ago. Sakurai made it pretty clear that he's catering the series to casual gamers.

[@younewser]

Kyle honestly has a great point on RDR2! It’s an old boring novel and I’m a little confused by the love for it

[@ynangoglepop]

No idea why Kyle exuses so much or ff15 but hates on rdr2 here, 1 second he's praising my hero acadamia for having so many characters then says you don't need so many characters?

[@Ayoul]

Kyle is not the most consistent about his opinions. I think that sometimes he just says things to create an interesting discussion.

[@mihirchitnis905]

The square enix discussion starts at 1:24:30

[@timolampe]

As a non-native speaker, I always wondered...why do people go to friend's houses? In my language, we say we go to a friend. And that's logical, right? I'm visiting my friend, not his house. I don't want to spend time with his house. English is so weird sometimes. ;)

[@allthefixings6504]

I wonder what huber thinks is the best game that game out this year

[@gilfon9171]

Oh how I hope Kingdom Hearts 3 sells well. It's been so long since 2 that I can't gauge the hype level overall and not just from the hardcore fans

[@FebreGundam]

I don't want a game to be my second life. I gave up on GTA San Andreas after a few hours exactly because it was just too much: you have to eat, you have to exercise, you have to do this and that all the time. Sometimes I just want to have fun, I just want to shoot webs and swing across Manhattan.

[@kwozymoto]

So just don't play Red Dead, easy solution. The game absolutely isn't for everyone

[@rafael471992]

San Andreas is a weird comparison, in the sense that if you didn't have fun with freaking SA, you are definitely not having fun with RDR2. The only things that are similar are these superficial survival mechanics. SA was the epitome of fun, just messing about and causing all sorts of chaos and spawning stuff with cheat codes. RDR2 is all about the story and is way more serious and grounded than anything Rockstar has ever done.

[@Maztuhmind]

A lot of people would still find merit in the aspects that you don't find appealing about those games.

[@sebastianvonp1467]

17 million wont give Rich Developers Redemption 2.

[@mckloggins]

Didn't think much of Arthur morgan half way through the game. Towards the end, I genuinely believe he's one of the best written video game characters.

[@samuelcardwell577]

Top 10 stealthers in no order: Adam Jensen (I love Denton, but Jensen's gonna win that fight), Emily Kaldwin (bye, Corvo!), Garrett, 47, Snake, Aiko (from Shadow Tactics), Ninja (from Mark of the Ninja), Cate Archer, Internationale (from Invisible Inc - don't skip it), and of course Anthony 'Eye' Switcher from 'Hidden and Dangerous', with that 100% stealth rating (there's one for the hardcores out there). Seriously, that'd be a super-fun top 10.

[@charoleawood]

Where's the love for Styx?

[@samuelcardwell577]

@@charoleawood look, everybody adores Styx. But I've never played it...

[@charoleawood]

I recommend giving it a shot. I couldn't really get into the first Styx but the second one is a solid stealth game with some very challenging environments that are fun to tackle. Stealth isn't my genre, but I certainly love all the Deus Ex games. I'm also all about Metal Gear Solid 5 and, of course, Metal Gear Solid --- one of the Greats!! Anyway, you should also try Splinter Cell Blacklist, I noticed an absence of Sam Fisher on your list. Blacklist is my favorite game of that franchise, plenty tough, lotsa fun.

[@samuelcardwell577]

@@charoleawood Yeah, never played a Splinter Cell game either tbh! Just a big blind spot - I guess there's something about the whole Tom Clancy vibe that puts me off a little bit. If they brought out a new one, I'd probably get hyped tho.

[@charoleawood]

Well, like MGS5, Blacklist just plays great. I don't care about the story in either of those games and I certainly don't jive with the gung ho oo-rah pro military slant of either of them but they are damn fun to play. I actually think that Conviction, while Splinter Cell fans don't like it, has a very good story and one that might be good for connecting you to Sam if you're looking for an "in" to the series story wise. I also think it's great fun, though it is more action than stealth focused. Blacklist is only available on PC, PS3 & 360 but I wouldn't recommend waiting for a sequel. I think Ubisoft has their shooter shoes filled right now and they like things to be multiplayer focused. The team that made Blacklist went on to make Wildlands which was a very successful game. If they do announce a new Splinter Cell it will no longer be a linear level based experience and likely push players more into going online than Blacklist and Wildlands already have.