Igors Lab Is Wrong.

[@Quarternewt]

'The mainboard used is the Asus Maximus Z790 Hero, tested with 1.6 V on the specially binned single-rank Hynix 16 Gbit A-Die modules and other voltages set to “auto”.' I'm going to give buildzoid the benefit of the doubt that he didn't actually read this entire article. "I changed one setting and left everything else on auto and it doesn't work" is tremendously stupid in any context.

[@ledooni]

To avoid confusion: this was NOT Igor himself. Skullbringer is a different person also publishing on the website

[@laz7354]

Try Igor's DDR5 80-proof Vodka today!

[@remasteredretropcgames3312]

Even if the ram is binned for 1.4V the excess spills over towards the memory controller which even if it has its own voltage is cumulative so it depends on the binning of multiple factors.

[@YTaccount11454]

im still very confused by this, i have binned 5 14900k cpus and they all worked at 8000mhz for me, i ended up not caring about the MC and only going for the cores since they all worked fine at 8000 xmp for me. i must have gotten extremely lucky, im now kinda sad that i returned the 4 cpus i had (i kept the one with strongest cores) because i guess those ones that hit 8000 are worth something :) currently running 5900mhz all core, 6200mhz 4 core, 4500mhz ecore and 8200 xmp tweaked 48gb gskill, i have not fiddled with any voltages, using asus apex encore, very happy with the machines performance!

[@MaxNakfoor]

I wonder if he set really hard to run settings to make the differences in IMC quality more noticeable. If so he should've stated as such so people would've ignored the memory frequency and just looked at the IMC spread.

[@maxwellsmart3156]

So if I lathe my 14900K and tweak memory setting infinitum I could probably get 78% hitting 8000 MT/s? But if I'm the standard knuckle-dragger and go out and purchase my 14900K, some z790 with 4 DIMM slots, and some 8000 MT/s DDR5 what is the likelihood I get to a stable 8000 MT/s? I'd say that would be around 0%.

[@liftedcj7on44s]

Apex Encore got a BIOS update this weekend (0507), Don't have my 14900k yet to test but users are saying they are having better results.

[@valdisliseks8201]

Z790 Tachyon, 13900 KF, 8000mhz A-die @ 1.55 both VDD/VDDQ, CPU VDD/VDDQ 1.45/1.4 SA 1.3 running without any problems for more then 4 month now.

[@Bazo712]

Cuz Tachyon is the goat mb, you can throw anything at that mb and it will work

[@Tuskabanana]

its 1000€+ Mb :=)

[@valdisliseks8201]

@@Tuskabanana Got it for less then 800€

[@TODDzillaInLA]

What gives higher fps, lower speed memory with xmp enabled or higher speed with xmp disabled (Manuel)?

[@mimu9599]

Hi. I am also a german guy like Igor. He is the hardest hardcore AMD Fanboy on Earth. So dont think to much about his results. 🙂

[@abdullahdanze2061]

At what frequency are you getting 8000?

[@abdullahdanze2061]

@@chrisjones7483 Cpu frequency.

[@cuma666]

what headphones is framechaser wearing?

[@zxSwifty]

Looks like steelseries arctis pro to me, it could be a different model and I could be wrong though.

[@ZackSNetwork]

Tech yes city made a video directly comparing the i9 14900k efficiency to the ryzen 7 7800x3d. My comment was it’s complete apples to oranges because your comparing a 8 core 16 SMT CPU to a 24 core 16 thread CPU that also clocks alot higher of course it will consume significantly more power. His comment was “Intel claims to have the best and that this comparison was justified”.

[@ZackSNetwork]

@@DavinmkBest CPU’s I get what your saying however my point still stands. If gaming is the only thing you care about sure the 7800x3d is better performance to price wise. However it’s still not an apples to oranges comparison on efficiency.

[@Spazzfrom.1989]

@@Davinmk alot of people here complain huh

[@valentin3186]

​@@freak777powerhave you tested yourself?

[@ZackSNetwork]

@@DavinmkIt’s not your a moron.

[@maniakfps249]

YOU CAN TEST ASSASIN ODYSSEY ON AMD VS INTEL DDR4 VS DDR5 combination

[@Schoolofmonkey]

These "mainstream" tech KZbinrs are hobbyists with personalities, it's trial and error, then what works makes it to KZbin. People like Buildzoid etc with actual tech backgrounds have smaller channels because they don't pander BS and stick to the technical facts. Sadly most people who watch mainstream tech KZbinrs aren't properly technically minded and are wanting someone to confirm there idiotic purchases based on a "performance chart" or to sell them some "cool merch".....

[@nimbulan2020]

Igor has a very strong technical background too. It doesn't stop him from spreading BS though, which he does pretty regularly. He loves to dress up unfounded speculation and other misinformation as technical analysis.

[@gozutheDJ]

tbf, igor isn't a 'youtube hobbyist with a personality'

[@gozutheDJ]

@@Davinmk name one bit of misinformation

[@gozutheDJ]

@@Davinmk wtf are u talking about

[@gozutheDJ]

@@Davinmk amdip happens bc of the higher latency of chiplet design. nothing to do with x3d. the infinity fabric is not fast enough to maintain frames in some (not all) high framerate fast action competitive FPS games. memory also affects this bc AMD memory controllers cannot handle as high speeds as Intel. you're not gonna see it really unless you're pushing over 200 fps or the game is really CPU intensive. (u see it in Warzone the most bc that's a game ur trying to push high frames in that is also CPU heavy). it doesnt matter for most people but for competitive gamers a bigger fps dip can mean the difference between a win and a loss.

[@overtim3overdu316]

You can spot the shills by the TR review. Gaming channels btw

[@jeroen5736]

this 8000mhz is because of a bbios upsate: AMD AM5 AGESA Update Adds DDR5-8000 Support

[@truthorpropaganda9001]

man I am so confused now. I have seen enough of the problems with the 7800x3d to be wary and it is now priced far closer to the 5800x3d which tells me there is a problem. So what CPU amd MOBO would you recommennd for longevity and stiill good gaming performance? I have no interest in OC because I am an idiot on a budget. But I can save money so What would you do?

[@Atlan_tis]

@@Davinmk IF amd 7800X3D IS THE ONLY ONE, other wise, i recommend intel, but expect lots heat, you better have extreme cooling set up

[@zxSwifty]

@@Davinmk how is am5 dominating?

[@xBINARYGODx]

@@Davinmk your posting in various sub threads in here is that of an AMD shill, why do you even bother?

[@leenagle2903]

What problems? It's dropped in price because 8000 series is coming soon.

[@ka0tiksh0t]

I couldn’t get 7200mhz ram to work on my z790 dark hero and 14900k. After 2 days of testing and changing settings. Sad day, but it’s going back to BH. 😢

[@impuls60]

My 7600Mhz G. skill had so bad heat spreaders that barely did that speed. Also adjusting the AC DC loadline also affect things in additions to to VDD, VDD2, TX and and cpu tx. I have another mb and the imc doesnt like above 1.4V. So my sweetspots are 1.37Vcore at 5.6-5.7Ghz. But its far from plug'n play. Have you tried reseating the cpu and ram. Increasing cpu pressure slightly may help.

[@jettbezos8074]

You have a local bh😮

[@erickelly4107]

I would bet most running north of 7200MT/s aren’t actually “stable” Nobody is suggesting it’s “impossible” it’s simply not the norm. The minority that are actually running high speeds are on 2 Dim Boards w/ golden bins, etc.

[@xBINARYGODx]

i need that nova video, like an addict needs whatever they are addicted to

[@nerdypcbuilder]

I could only successfully get 7200mhz to work anything after that is a no go.

[@zxSwifty]

what motherboard, cpu and ram kit?

[@zencontroller]

Looks like an oversite to me. The volts are something youd want to keep as low as possible so... and leaving the timings... Great find... Maybe theres voltage droop on the boards ram slots but that unheard of.

[@Tpecep]

I cant get even 7000mhz with 7400mh kit, 14700K and Z790 Tomahawk

[@radugrigoras]

1.6v is madness. What kind of cooling did he have on that ram? I mean it could be specially binned from a year ago when 6400 was the highest speed available on the market, now as the tech has improved you can buy 8000 off the shelf. Not sure why he didn’t follow some basic rules like use a kit that’s on the mobo QVL for 8000 and run it with the stock voltage. That would have been a more accurate test instead of introducing this weird unknown ram and ridiculous voltage.

[@radugrigoras]

@@VeRKKok100% agree, shows the noobness. Maybe he thought it was DDR4 B die and just YOLO’d it. Either way they wasted a lot of time and a great opportunity by completely goofing up with the ram.

[@iherrera911]

I understand and agree with your statement, but I would like to think, that Igor made this "methodology" thinking in the common user that is not going to apply manual times or spend hours in bios. This is also contradictory if you are going to buy an 8000MT kit and an APEX mobo. At the end of the day it's about not being poor and following FAFO rules. 🤣

[@iherrera911]

Of course, I agree with it, I wanted to try to understand the methodology but there is no room for it. @@VeRKKok

[@alexandrulascu6436]

8000 > 6400 for 7950x3d (not 7800x3d). Is it a stupid cpu? Yes. Is it faster? Yes.

[@alexandrulascu6436]

@@Davinmk did u test it?

[@valentin3186]

​@@Davinmklimiting fclk makes it run faster? Crazy I belive it's stable fclk>>>sorta higher but not stable fclk but yeah

[@Muldeeer]

@@Davinmk You should run the fclk as high as you can...caps out at around 2ghz-2133mhz, then you can run 3x ram speed with that, between 6-6.4ghz. Then tighten timings.

[@alexandrulascu6436]

@@Davinmk thats a bunch of bullshit. higher fclk is faster (lol) as long as its stable. if yours wasnt stable above 2000 doesnt mean higher is worse. for 7800x3d yes, like i said, 6400>8000. for 7950x3d 8000>6400. IF it wasnt for you, you either didnt set it up properly or it wasnt stable and started correcting itself which lent to lower performance.

[@chvtney]

Thankfully I get mine work 7800mhz stable after following your video guidelines and buy specifically the hardware what gives the highest possible success. (Msi z790i and teamforce delta)

[@zxSwifty]

Which video did you follow? I've been watching a lot of his content and just ordered a 14900k, z790 apex and 48gb 72000mhz t-create but I havent seen a video from him on how to get it to 8000.

[@chvtney]

@@zxSwifty kzbin.info/www/bejne/fYLPZZeemrp0iZYsi=iEnSRnW8mRg_oNTH Ddr5 Tips and tricks He is talking about chances% with these motherboards and what is compatible. And in one he said teamforce is best succes for xmp above 7200.

[@synqFPS]

@@zxSwifty z790 nova might clock better than z790i no cap keep an eye on the overclock net thread

[@xBINARYGODx]

@@synqFPS i need this channels nova video yesterday

[@beyondspecs9401]

The butthurt for Igor is real. For those of you who have no clue, just take a second look on Igors reviews regarding products made in his homeland and you'll immediately notice a pattern... i do not think he does it with bad intentions though, just a patriot 😊

[@beyondspecs9401]

@@Davinmk I noticed it in many reviews. On another note, i myself overclocked memory to 8000 and yeah it is true that more often than not, too much voltage results in worse frequency especially when everything else is left on AUTO. That shows me the guys on Igors have no clue. Many voltage rails have dependencies in one another. Boosting one line and leaving the rest on auto is "i cannot even google" level of incompetence. Not liking Joofes is one thing, but discrediting everything he says because Igor looks smarter wearing his nerd glasses is ignorant 🙂

[@beyondspecs9401]

@@Davinmk Listen man I've seen you saying this in many other comments but i'll respectfully ask you to not try to pull this with me. Even though Jufes is overdoing it a bit, the AMDip is real and here is the true version of it if you must know: Let's take an imaginary example and say that a Game has 200fps on average. An 7800X3D will fall to 125fps for 0.1% lows. The 13900K will have 180fps average and fall to 100fps for 0.1% lows. So AMD wins clearly this battle even on 0.1% lows right? YES BUT AMD retained only 60% of it's average performance when measuring the lows whereas Intel retained 80% of it's average performance. Hence it can be said that AMDs framerate "dipped" deeper than Intel leading to the friendly term AMDip. Check every single review and do the math and you'll see this behavior is very very common in AMD cpus. Of course that is not always the case because different game engines react differently but is common enough for it to be a valid characteristic of the brand. Before AM5 platform things were even worse in this matter but I'm tired of writing and not gonna bother with legacy tech.

[@johnnyringo35]

Then price him wrong....show it live. You can't and won't. That's how we know you are a shill.

[@TrueRegulators]

When you want to test the CPU, you want to make sure motherboard and memory aren't running at their limit, duh

[@videocardzrule354]

Wait, isn’t this guy selling Pre-Tuned CPU/Board/DDR5 bundles for like $2500? All Because running true stable DDR5 8000 is not easily done? But now he’s saying Igor is wrong and manual tuning is easy? 🧐

[@zxSwifty]

He's always said that manual tuning is easy, he charges that much because he can.

[@unitybeing777]

You boss, you awesome boss Jufes.

[@bigcazza5260]

its time for 4 dimm boards to be relegated to h series if u need 4 dimms u dont want to oc u need stability everone else is better off on a 2 dimm board, everyone

[@gozutheDJ]

yeah i do not understand why 2 dimm isn't the standard. 4 dimm is fucking pointless unless all you do is heavy video/graphics editing where gobs of RAM is nice

[@ouki4925]

igor spreads a lot of fud and bad testing in general. Now I'm questioning his Alphacool Metal Fan review lol

[@vincentvega3093]

Sure random dude on the web

[@zxSwifty]

bro in the comments trying to justify his amd purchase rather than just playing games lmao@@Davinmk

[@66Ton99]

Thank you for sharing!

[@xSKOOBSx]

Mislead the consumers then let the 'personal responsibility/its not their fault consumers are dumb' people come in and defend them. So typical.

[@mrpenshi]

can you make a direct die 14900kS video, it might be a waste of time but I enjoy the content for science since only Der8auer does that video and he's basically normie food now.

[@SuperBitsandBob]

8000 gigawatts!!

[@chieftron]

"Special binned" ROFL! I'll tell you what's a "special bin" my 2x16Gb TEAMGROUP UD5-5600 kit 32-36-36-76-112 @ 1.2v. I have this kit overclocked to 6400mhz at the exact same timings, at 1.3v. Now THAT is an amazingly binned kit. It does have SK-Hynix A-Die memory as well. But an 800mhz increase with identical timings at only 0.1v more while still being low powered, is incredible.

[@ZaPirate]

Thank you for the honest content.

[@LoLPaTCH101]

Great video

[@aytokpatop]

i loved your video !!! we want more :D

[@mypeeps1965]

I have both intel and amd high end systems (latest gen, side by side) and the amd systems have always been buggy, ALWAYS! Thinking back to 1st gen ryzen til now it has not gotten better, just a lot of unexplained behavior. i have no horse in this race, but i'll stick with intel soley going forward. It doesn't bode well for the industry when it seems like there's a whole cottage industry that seems to keep covering up amd's bizzare cpu behaviour. There's NOT a one of you that doesn't know what i'm talking about, NOT ONE!

[@gozutheDJ]

bro calm down

[@johnnyringo35]

This times 1000

[@maksonzi]

зря люди сходят с ума, ddr5 скорее всего переходная технология

[@mavenaz1975]

1.6!!?? WTF!

[@EzBreezy750]

Algo fuel ❤

[@knuckleheadcomputers]

Great shit

[@geph13]

I NEED 1 MORE FPS HOW DO I OC MU 136900K TO 66.1GHZ ?!?

[@young-j731]

8000 xmp is the way

[@johnnyringo35]

It just works... that's how

[@pvt.pingus1758]

2:29 I liked the video to make sure more people see your content. Ty for the honest takes you have. Extremely rare to find people who got morals.

[@BillForesmanWilliam]

Morals? He openly states he'll screw people for more money based on misinformation...

[@TwoOmarz]

i wanna join your discord how?😥 i love the community

[@zxSwifty]

go to his site and pay $5

[@AndroidPCMMORAW]

Who is Igor ?

[@AndroidPCMMORAW]

.. oh wait I don't care who is.

[@MrWindle]

For the algorithm

[@untcclan9494]

1st

[@jakevsall]

1st to respond to ur comment 😂

[@Sickoloko24]

I just recently stared watching your videos but Im 4 minutes deep in this and I can’t stand your arrogance

[@MadMackz]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@gozutheDJ]

thank you jufes

[@maksonzi]

ddr6

[@princetexasloaf2632]

yo at first i liked you but also really disliked you, but i end up coming back cause despite you being 100% intel, its not without reason and you speak the truth. big difference or not, intel is the way to go for max performance, amdip is real no matter how big or small. 100% makes me really wonder if i should have stuck with the 13600k i got, but im on 7900x right now, good cpu but an intel alternative would still be the better performing option power draw aside. i still think ill be an amd user but i still think intel is the better performing choice. i personally use an intel gpu, arc a750, which isnt power efficient, but im going to stick with intel gpus cause i know it will be more stable than amd and a better deal than nvidia most likely. ive had the arc gpu for quite a while now and its been reliable. yet amd proves itself to be bad with drivers time and time again, so my money isnt on them. i do know intel had a rocky start on gpu's but its proved itself reliable for me so i feel confident in it.

[@johnnyringo35]

Post video disproving AMD I P Bet you cant

[@Tapwater45.]

UU

[@arthurmelo3472]

You are just jealous, go buy a FX.

[@Remmaster]

jufusssssssss

[@lancemccarthy4751]

great job