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[@MrLeandrus]

I wish "Frame Chasers" used a Dark theme on the browser and Black Notepad on his videos, so we don't burn our eyes watching them lol

[@csabauri351]

It seems the 2nd CCD is not turned off at all in gaming , it handles OBS and background tasks just fine : kzbin.info/www/bejne/n53GiYKwlsZ7rbc

[@andrewsmithwalking]

LOL this guy is flat out lying to people making them think AMD would really DISABLE half the cores on a CPU. Lol it's just parking jufes.I am sure you can look into that instead of spread misinformation.

[@DanielDurbangaming]

I was gonna mention process lasso as well for manually doing it. Which is kind of cool. Since it takes 2 seconds and it remembers the profiles you set so you only have to do it once and then it will do it everytime you restart your pc.

[@saladmaker-uo1kw]

Lol I wonder if he knows that he can just disable c-states in the bios

[@claudep.1926]

so this videos is basically FUD?

[@CESAR_H_ARIAS]

🍿 🥤🍿

[@bomberbinz]

People do realise core parking occurs with intel as well yes? Nice click bait though,

[@saricubra2867]

My i7-12700K draws 5 watts without core parking at iddle and high perfomance plan. Also, AMD pulled out a Bulldozer moment because Apple that also uses TSMC 5nm draws 6 watts for Cinebench 1T, way higher IPC than Zen 4, like 50% higher. Intel uses 10nm. So, Zen 4 it's almost like a rehash of Zen 3 (the last good Ryzen gen, 20% IPC increase in one gen, 33% average increase on gaming without 3D cache).

[@Thex-W.I.T.C.H.-xMaster]

This guy is a straight up intel fanboy 😬... if someone fits the definition of a "fanboy" this guy is it 🤷‍♂️.

[@lososhiesty7225]

A lot of miss info in this vid. Kinda expected this guy to know the difference between parked cores and disabled ones.

[@EricS-uf9mv]

@FrameChasers Wow. Gordon just straight-up called you out.

[@acidnut]

I decided to buy a 7950X3D after watching this.

[@yosixxx]

​@@F1monster1This made me spit my coffee out

[@ChadKenova]

Picked up a 7950x3d, 32gb’s 6000mhz cl30, b650e aorus master motherboard today at microcenter to pair with the gaming oc 4090 I already had.

[@abhishekkm4455]

14:13 Yes why wouldn't you

[@Star_Gazing_Coffee_Lover]

Same, he is just an Intel shill.

[@meekmeads]

Unless you need the parked cores, then it's okay buy Gaming 7800x3D is overall better.

[@denanhajrovic4183]

You are Alex Jones of the tech world.. Seriously...

[@pietrycranberry6621]

Yeah,the points raised contradicts the content of the video.

[@russb3n]

That’s why I am planning on sewing him for hurting my feelings when I just bought this CPU

[@mikegermano6369]

alex Jones is also usually right....

[@GUY-on-Earth]

Broooo you picked the right match 😂

[@jurakerleha]

I hope he won't be sued by AMD or PC World because as Alex Jones Infowars 😂

[@SuperBitsandBob]

AMD's own literature states that when enough threads are used through gaming and multi-tasking, the other CCX wakes up and is used so this video is incorrect. It's not elegant but it does work.

[@oMeGa0122]

He is not arguing about that fact. He is pissed off because they misleading you buy selling you technically a more troublesome CPU with skyrocket price and labeling it FOR GAMING.

[@Kaiged11]

Troublesome like adding e-cores ?

[@saricubra2867]

AMD needs a hardware scheduler on the CPU (the real time telemetry and Thread Director that Alder Lake invented) and use a similar tech to EMIB (bye bye infinity fabric) from Intel Sapphire Rapids for the concept to really work on a chip like the 7950X3D without drawbacks. AMD should be more honest with their marketing.

[@malathomas6141]

@@saricubra2867 it’s working pretty well so far from reviews

[@girthtrude5040]

​@Sam Ross and he sounds like a conspiracy nut for some reason

[@blkspade23]

Another inaccurate take. Other youtubers (like level1 Wendell) have released video accurately talking about core parking, which Intel CPUs also do. Core parking is a soft off that still lets the core be used dynamically if needed. Which is different from when you were constantly suggesting disabling E cores. Intel's thread director certainly didn't work perfectly on day 1, required a whole new OS to get the most out of it, and still has occasional hiccups.

[@cszthompson]

This👆🏻, well said.

[@Rufeorufeo]

Out right misinformation, seriously dude?

[@rkneeshaw]

Tech nerds are such conspiracy theorists. This is like an episode of ancient aliens.

[@hpd_hero]

Agree its gotten abit out of hand. They’re just a company

[@canarat417]

i love it

[@Wobbothe3rd]

Its the youtube algorithm. To get get clicks you have to be negative, sounding a warning. Even the thumbnails to the video has to imply "this video will have an angry rant".

[@JoeSmith-gj8be]

He’s right though, this product is more about margins than anything else. The advertising made it seem, at least initially that both CCDs would have vcache

[@geforce5591]

@@JoeSmith-gj8be The config of these chips have been available for quite a while now. We knew all of these before release.

[@Azraenore]

My guy literally opens a notepad and starts shitting on AMD at any given chance lol

[@FrameChasers]

Ez clicks baby

[@stebo5562]

That’s not how core parking works. It doesn’t disable them. If the cores are needed, they will do work

[@vincentvega3093]

What a Jufoos 12:14 2-3 years? The 5800x3d vcache is barely a year on market. Get a grip man you forgot intel using "10nm" backported to rocket lake 14nm just to have product. When shilling for intel dont forget their missteps

[@okramediev404]

7950x3d uses 16 cores (8 ccd3d + 8 ccd). You can use high frequency ccd or 3d ccd or both ccd, frame chasers saying that it uses only 8 core is misleading. 7800x3d is for gamers, 7950x3d is gamers+other stuff, 7900x3d is 6 core 3d cdd + 6 core ccd, 7900x and 7900x3d parts are the ones to avoid. You should buy AM5 7800x3d or 7950x3d part if gaming needed.

[@Silverturky]

At this point i think he knows but is ike F%©¥ it I'ma just keep going 😂.. i enjoyed some of his previous overclocking videos but now i kinda lost respect.

[@cszthompson]

And I have met aliens. This video couldn’t be more wrong. Solid misinformation.

[@ms3862]

Total conspiracy theory video seeth

[@JusstyteN]

Why are you always crying its not that bad.

[@ColoradoDualSport]

I am so glad you made it obvious that you don't understand the engineering of what you are talking about in the first few sentences of this video, so I didn't have to watch any more of it. Dude, at least attempt to understand the subject material before offering an opinion. You couldn't be more wrong.

[@CWWJR]

Ok to clarify. Its NOT a scam. Look up the definition of the word scam. Its just BAD BUY for pure gamers. Period. The 7800x3D will be for pure gamers. The 7950x3D is GREAT for Gamers who do content creation/video editing or some type of work station stuff on the side. While gaming they essentially have a 7800x3D. The moment they stop they are on a 7950x that uses less power and had better thermals then a true 7950x. So its kind of a win/win for those folks. The chip for pure gamers is indeed the 7800x3D. Now folks who do stuff like that can as a hobby or use their computer for work can have the best of both worlds. A 7950x when working and a 7800x3D while gaming. Im one of those folks and its a really good buy for us

[@Ant-De-Great]

they stated all of this and you dont need 16 cores for gaming you only need the 8 cores with the 3d vcache my boi you a intel shill.

[@towergod-ny6vk]

Parking the CCD doesn't prevent its use - so all 16 CPU cores are available - it just discourages using more than 1 CCD (8 cores) when at all possible.

[@philpin6343]

Level1Techs posted a a very good technical explanation on the Windows OS "parking" cores. Cores wake up when needed. Cores that are idle go to a low power state which can allow more thermal headroom on active cores. Threads can stall so that is when hyper threading is efficient. Let sleeping cores sleep.

[@AndrewDixon-ng6ge]

23 minutes of a notepad window and no actual proof of any of the lies... nice bait

[@SKHYJINX]

AMD literally told you the same flaws in the video he is talking about.

[@nakshtraroshal]

subscribe so you can watch his video when it comes. press the bell icon too

[@untaxableacorn5685]

cope

[@victork9706]

So apparently u have to activate Xbox game mode to utilize all the CPU

[@surpriseblueviana3803]

The "scam" cpu beat a KS ...So "block" E-Cores is acceptable...but "park" cores not?!..Nice tendencie...But just wait for new KING 7800X3D...But you see the video of HU?!..You said that dont see others youtubers...

[@SKHYJINX]

Imagine disabling P cores and compare that to disabling E cores... LUL

[@genuran-7559]

in another world the 7950X3d with 8 cores parked (7800X3D) beats 13900KS i n gaming and consume half power, great world isn't it?

[@gprojectnoob4779]

"I never watch those dumbasses HB" " hey did you see the chart on HB" Exposed himself.

[@surpriseblueviana3803]

@@genuran-7559 Right!

[@surpriseblueviana3803]

@@VeRKKok WRONG!

[@jerrym1401]

Guess this one hasnt aged well ! Hope he will apologize for spreading lies !

[@Isaiiahii]

The 7800x3D might not be as fast as the 7950x3D in gaming. No one seems to mention how the 7800x3D is clocked slower and has less L3 cache.

[@Choterownsu]

If it's 20-30% faster in gaming who cares if the other cores are parked if you game its faster for gaming. If any CPU turned off 90% of its cores but my FPS goes up who cares. Faster is faster. Purpose is faster gaming performance and it does it. I have intel but the AMD x3d in games is doing good.

[@ruizhewang4917]

Maybe he had half of his brain parked somewhere too.

[@crazybigball82]

Half of his hair is too.

[@myamaha62]

I love it when a fanboy cries about other fanboys. 😂😂 what a joke. I have 2 pc. One amd and one. Intel. Both sides have positives and negatives.

[@slimjimjimslim5923]

Well it worked. Everyone is making video about 7950x3D not a scam in response to the outrage Jufes has manage to stir up. LOL level1 made one and Gordon made one and there’s a couple more

[@ShokujiAkai]

After seeing multiple videos on this product, I think you're wrong on most points and you really need to check your biases.

[@tresnugget]

4:40 if they assigned Photoshop to the game whitelist of course it's not going to run on the 2nd CCD. They just told the scheduler that Photoshop was a game so it's only going to run on the first CCD. The 2nd CCD isn't disabled, it's being told not to run that application.

[@doctorfresh3856]

EXACTLY!

[@chriskaradimos9394]

you do great videos but i hate this buyist stuff you do , your calling everyone a fan boy but you are the one perpetuating it.

[@FrameChasers]

Fanboys are good clicks, as long as they click I will push their buttons, it makes my channel grow. Not my job to save the world.

[@quicogil4565]

It's beating 13900K at less than half the power. Cope.

[@Cremepi]

Mainstream maybe not full oc lol

[@quicogil4565]

@@Cremepi At like 3X the power which requires an expensive cooling solution? Sure. Take your L intel fans

[@Cremepi]

@@quicogil4565 damn you must own both 13900k and 7950x3d to be making these claims

[@lauwie7610]

Misleading videos, is this sponsored by Intel ?

[@toddhermit]

Jufes is wrong about core parking, but there's no repercussions so who cares. AMD still is scummy for delaying 7800x3d until April, but there's no repercussions so who cares.

[@detroid89]

Very very poor take on this. You need to watch L1 Tech to learn about core parking. It's a computer science topic that explains how cores are kept off if they are not required at a specific time and woken up when they are.

[@geeesejeeeze6055]

Amd cope

[@NBWDOUGHBOY]

LMFAO. The Comments are Funny. The AMD fanboys are going crazy. LOL

[@CC-Pi]

There are some incorrect facts in the things this guy is saying, AMD has had software that can direct processor/threads to different cores since the 2990WX CPU which is called Dynamic Local mode, whether it worked very well is another matter.

[@Edog1337]

You make outlandish statements like KZbin is dead, streamers are only relevant…with no evidence. You accuse others of AMD bias while showing extreme Nvidia and Intel bias in every video. You haven’t even watched others content, as guys such as GN take all brands to task. Unsubscribing.

[@matthewtomlinson2681]

jesus man, your bias is showing abit much in this one

[@adamchambers1393]

This guy is compeltely wrong about this CPU and how it works. It literally uses one CCD with everything on it until there is enough thread utilisation adn then the cores on the parked CCD will be automatically enabled. It is part of the latest AMD chipset drivers so someone probably messing with it prior to the release of the driver needed. Dead video talking rubbish then.

[@unlimiteduploads2971]

scamming ppl? I think you went overboard here.

[@GTFour]

There’s so much wrong in this video, literally all of it 🤦‍♂️

[@BobaMotoring]

i am playing and Rendering a lot, so 16Cores is fine for me. I know only for Gaming I don´t need it, but 120W for this Performance is unbeatable.

[@doraafelfedezoofisol]

rendering with cpu? Video rendering?

[@BobaMotoring]

@@doraafelfedezoofisol Autodesk 360 and other shit. Video i do with my GTX4090. It works fine.

[@marktackman2886]

You should really watch the video before posting a comment like this because he just told us how it was beat easily by the 7950X and a 7800X3d

[@marktackman2886]

@@Boba_Gaming you should really learn English before you post English comments

[@marktackman2886]

@@Boba_Gaming are you a real human or a bot

[@doctorfresh3856]

Here's an idea... Just don't buy a 7950X3D and wait for the 7800X3D! If you need the multicore there is something called the 7950X. Your making a mountain out of a molehill here.

[@aj0413_]

All he’s doing is calling scummy business practices and explaining why these products shouldnt be bought by anyone; nothing wrong with that

[@doctorfresh3856]

@@aj0413_ That's exactly what's wrong here. It is not his place to say that these products shouldn't be bought by anyone just because he doesn't like it. The people who want these products are for are people who want both the benifits of 3D cache and or the 16 core - 12 core Multi Core performance. If not those people can either buy a 7800x3D if they just want the V-Cache, a 7700x if they just want those high clock speeds or a 7950x if they want that multi core performance for productivity workloads.

[@sebastianlaakso2729]

​@@doctorfresh3856 But while gaming it's a 7800x3D. Utterly pointless. If I were to get a 16 core chip, I hope it would allow me to multitask, not make one of the ccx:s a paperweight while doing so

[@doctorfresh3856]

@@sebastianlaakso2729 IT'S NOT POINTLESS THOUGH! It's for people who want both. This CPU is a 7950x(-5% negligible) OR a 7800X3D OR a 7700x. It's for people who both work AND Game basically. Instead of paying $399, $449.99 and $599 I can get me THREE CPU's for just $699.99. IT'S AMAZING. If I want to game I shut off 8 cores on either CCD depending if the game scales with clockspeed or cache. If I want the extra cores for productivity I enable all 16. This CPU is a real technological Marvel but everyone is so buthurt in there feelings to see it.... ALSO AMD has enable overclocking on these although not the same way you overclock the non X3D chips. You can get an extra 10% over it's regular performance making it go blow for blow pound for pound with a FULLY TUNED 8000 - 8200MHz DDR5 13900KS System WITH LESS HEAT. THIS CPU IS AMAZING.

[@aj0413_]

@@doctorfresh3856 it’s a bad product because most people that buy these wouldn’t be aware of the core parking. You can already find people confused about this in the comments of videos since the point of buying this for gamers is generally to have the benefits of both at the same time. Companies can and do make bad products at times; ones people are best avoiding, unless they have some extreme niche circumstances Intel 11th gen was one. This is another. Intel ARC 770. AMD zen 1, for 70% of users. Various badly designed cases and PSUs The point of using a strong multi core chip for gaming is so you can be doing bunch of background tasks at the same time. It’s the same reason I use to run a 5950x + 64Gb RAM; it’s just quality of life to not have to worry about it over allocation

[@ChadKenova]

Love my 7950x3d so far

[@geeesejeeeze6055]

😆 and fanboy

[@ChadKenova]

@@geeesejeeeze6055 no i could care less about brands just wanted the fastest cpu at gaming i came very close to buying a 13900k many times. And I wanted longevity with the board and intel your lucky to get 2 generations.

[@geeesejeeeze6055]

​@@ChadKenova unless you literally upgrade every single time they release a new CPU I don't see the point in caring too much about the motherboard. The fastest CPU on Earth right now for gaming is 13900ks.

[@ChadKenova]

@@geeesejeeeze6055 it all depends on the game really intel seems to do better in older games like cs go that like pure frequency but the extra vcache seems to works better with newer games. I think the x3d is faster but it’s anywhere from 1-2% slower and 2-15% faster. And faster ram helps the ks but if i had to choose the fastest cpu for gaming i would still say the 7950x3d. And it takes the ks 100-150 watts more just to compete with the 7950x3d. Honestly the ks is a joke this time the last cpu i think the ks was valid was the 9900ks because you could find it for 20-40 more than the k. Temp and heat hold it back on 13 gen. and you better off buying the 13900k and fast ram.

[@ViperFox_]

Can you guys please help me out!! I’m putting together my first pc and I want it to be amazing! I cannot decide on what chip to get the 13900k or 790x3d. Mainly playing cod/WZ and streaming/making YT videos

[@CALLINGINDOGS]

Holy cope.

[@GuidoDePalma]

lol

[@Bostonski]

Test it 1st. I bought it. Not going to listen some Dumbo. You don't need to disable anything , just set priority in BIOS. Other cores still being used for minor tasks, just priority set to 3d cache one 🙄

[@FrameChasers]

Go see what happens to your FPS when you load more than 8 cores, enjoy your purchase

[@Bostonski]

​@@FrameChasers just try it 1st before having opinions

[@geeesejeeeze6055]

​@@Bostonski you're literally not even disagreeing with him? AMD Fanboys literally remind me of a cult

[@Bostonski]

@@geeesejeeeze6055 why argue with an idiot? Let him eat his words live or maybe on video.

[@geeesejeeeze6055]

@@Bostonski you did try o argue lol.

[@SocksyyAU]

Thanks to this review I went ahead and bought the 7950x3d cpu

[@pixelshaketv]

Does the 7950X3D perform almost as well as the 7950X in creative workloads yes... Does the 7950X3D offer the best gaming performance overall currently yes... Is the 7800X3D the best idea for most people yes... I don't see why it's a scam. The 7950X3D is running fine without even using the chipset drivers, just use something like CapframeX.

[@agoogleuser2369]

I'm not going to get into the scam or not scam argument, however, the important thing here is that I can sense a massive class action lawsuit not because of the CCD parking or whatnot, but because out of the box these 7950X3D CPUs simply do not function as intended without a thread director. Relying solely on the user to tweak the BIOS settings and install and tweak a plethora of softwares to "fix" the CPU in the first place. It's a mess.

[@ledooni]

Honestly, probs to AMD for milking their fanboys. Those people deserve it at this point

[@sbacon92]

half an amd chip is faster than intel's best and you're still complaining?

[@dimwillow7113]

Lots of cope from this. Does Intel tell you need to disable e-cores to max fps.. right they dont.

[@ProVishGaming]

I’m happy with my 12600k after this news. It destroys a 7600x and is on par with a 7700x, don’t really need anymore than that

[@Thex-W.I.T.C.H.-xMaster]

A 12600k hell, I'm happy with my old fashioned 3950x and 3090 🤷‍♂️.

[@tadejpeckaj1151]

Yeeah nah Ivan. You fucked this one up. Go look at PC world where he has a game and cinebench running at the same time and all 32threads are used to a 100%.

[@FrameChasers]

Negative, go launch a game and load more than 8 cores, see what happens to your FPS when the other CCD wakes up

[@tadejpeckaj1151]

@@FrameChasers it goes down. But you said the other CCD is turned off. I am not saying it’s perfect.. far from in. But it doesn’t turn off the other CCD it just doesn’t want to run anything on it because of added latency and poor scheduling.

[@FrameChasers]

@@tadejpeckaj1151 uh ok, so you paid for a 16 core, and you got 8, if you load 16, now your cpu is useless. Good on you if you enjoy that 🤷‍♂️. That ain’t for me or my audience

[@tadejpeckaj1151]

@@FrameChasers yeah I agree 100%.. not for me either. Not in a hurry with building a new machine. So might wait until next gen stuff.

[@maxwellsmart3156]

@@FrameChasers How's that any different than a 13900K a "24 core" CPU with only 8 usable gaming cores and 16 not game available cores. You and your audience only care about 8 cores but you pay for 24 cores. You have to do that so you get the better binned silicon. I feel sorry for the clowns that actually listen to you.

[@Djuntas]

I just wanna build now sigh...Another 5-6 weeks. I just hope you can even buy 7800x3d in EU...prolly no stock due to demand.

[@TheMessiah1337]

This video is 100% cap and a scam lmao.

[@x1po1po1]

well deserved unsub

[@uncannygambit]

He doesn't even know how the CPU works and people are just taking his word for it. This video is just spreading FUD. Do your own research, he has shown his lack of knowledge enough times so everyone should questioning his every word by now. He's just as bad as the mainstream techtubers he doesnt like.

[@wilhelm391]

Nvidia lied about how much vram they put in there cards..... no big deal bro to u bro

[@redclaw72666]

Still on that 970? Let it go 🤡

[@notlahaan]

​@@redclaw72666 970? What about: PhysX & HairWorks, better known as Gimpworks? Countless amount of cheating in benchmarks? And more recently: MX150 being two different products with the same name without Nvidia saying anything? 1030 VRAM incident? You know, when they changed the GDDR to DDR without telling anyone and kept it selling as normal? Or how the 1060 3GB had less ALUs (CUDA cores) than the 6GB model, and again didn't say anything? Or how they tried to force partners out of AMD with GPP? Or SPCaps incident with 30-series? + substrate problems + cheaping out on the node + 100C+ VRAM & more! Or how they easily got away with trying to sell a 70-class card (which by itself is a stretch) as 80-class? Or how basically everything after Pascal has had severe, misleading, anti-consumer marketing? I can go on-and-on. I feel like since you're brainwashed by Jufes since you can't form an opinion yourself and you just toot whatever everyone else are saying, I have to mention that Nvidia isn't the only one. AMD has done messed up things as well, especially Intel. But out of the 3, Nvidia is by far the worst. You people seriously have no memory.

[@Inb4ify]

Parked cores doesn't mean they wont do background tasks if needed. It mainly helps the scheduler in your OS prioritize your game, and avoids having the thread moved too much which can cause microstuttering, as other resources of the process have to be moved as well. Not only that but it uses the vcache for games, imagine that. Found a video where Wendell explains here- kzbin.info/www/bejne/pZ63mpqnm7yBq5I

[@BrianCroweAcolyte]

Gordon actually just released a video better showing it. He loaded up Tomb Raider and the last 8 cores got parked, then he ran cinebench with 4 threads and it still just ran everything on the vcache CCD. It wasn't until he told cinebench to use all 32 threads that the parked cores got used. So its not *AS* bad as this video says it is, just 90% as bad lol.

[@Inb4ify]

@@BrianCroweAcolyte That is on cinebench, as well as how the scheduler works with it and what type of software it thinks it is. The scheduler decided that no more resources were needed to run the process, for whatever reason. It simply wasn't "strenuous" enough or a function that was being recognized as something worth waking the parked cores for. After all 4 threads aint shit. Besides, that is on the OS, btw, and not the CPU, or the CPU manufacturer. It may surprise you to learn that the scheduling for all 10+ core chiplet CPUs still sucks on most OSes as far as doing everything correctly by default. I cannot stress enough how complicated scheduling is. This is a large part of the reason for lower framerates in games on high core count CPUs without hardware schedulers, like the newer intel chips have (required by their asymmetrical design), as the processes will keep getting passed around and slow things down. If you want an example go look at hardware unboxed review of the 7950x3d and look at the factorio benchmark specifically when half the CPU is ACTUALLY shut off (7800x3d simulation), and you can see this manifest itself as a huge performance boost, as factorio is particularly sensitive to this type of process-passing latency. The scheduler knows a lot better what to do with only 8 cores to use. This is a big part of why the max core CPUs are better for production work, and not necessarily best for gaming vs even a 6 core part. There aren't really any games that will use all 16 cores of a CPU, even brand new ones like hogwarts legacy only uses 4 lol. Even your example of SOTR caps out at 6-8, with basically 0 benefit going to 8. Games DO NOT scale with core count, at least for now. It's not all clockspeed, its software utilization of the hardware. This chip strikes a happy medium for someone who streams, or does anything related to production work that actually scales with cpu count, but still wants the benefit of the 3d vcache as maybe they record a lot of game footage, and the extra cores help with editing workflow, or they program, and it speeds up compiles. Maybe even a game developer! This is for someone who wants to be able to game like they have a better-for-gaming less cores CPU but still be able to fall back on it for production work and get the benefit of all the extra cores. You could even run something by setting affinity like a compile on the second CCD and max it out doing that while you're gaming with no performance hit, that's pretty cool. Just because this chip isn't for pure gamers doesn't make it a bad product at all. Bringing up a niche case like this is also disingenuous. Why would you ever be running a game and running cinebench at all, and not to mention on less than all the cores? That's just stupid and a waste of time, as a synthetic benchmark run this way is useless information. If you really cared about something the scheduler isn't allocating correctly just set affinity manually. It isn't hard. It doesn't prove anything. Just more ignorance being spread. Not to mention that in almost every other case with basically every other piece of software there wouldn't be a problem. If you actually watched Wendells video I linked he explains the latency benefits of not having processes moved around on the CPU again and again. Running NORMAL software that would run in the background things work normally. There was also a bug in W11 recently that was messing up high core CPU scheduling. On top of that, if you were working on a scheduler why would you even bother prioritizing tuning niche benchmark software that is almost always 99.9% of the time run on all threads? Schedulers are really complicated and there are better things to do. kzbin.info/www/bejne/n53GiYKwlsZ7rbc

[@BrianCroweAcolyte]

@@Inb4ify I think KZbin deleted my other reply because I edited it to put a link in it, but cinebench isn't just a benchmark lol, it's based on real software people use to do real work(Cinema 4D I think). You can bat for AMD as much as you want, but it doesn't change that fact that this is a lot more ghetto and unreliable than Intel's bigLITTLE. It relies on a driver white list, Microsoft bloat bar, and coreparking lol. That's an inelegant solution even by AMD standards. What people rightfully expected is that as soon as they launch a game, EVERYTHING gets moved to the non-vache CCD and the game has the full performance of 8 dedicated cores. From what I've seen, everything just runs on the vcache CCD until something big happens like a render, and even then it'll just run the render on all cores. This is crap. Intel's solution is like magic compared to this, this video shows what people were expecting: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iHXXe2ieZbOdrLM The only person this CPU might make sense for is a single PC streamer, and it looks like they're better off going with a 13900K because Intel has a much solider solution. This begs the question why AMD even released this is the first place. The only thing I could come up with is they're either beta testing for Zen 5, or they had extra chiplets they couldn't get rid of. Neither of them is good for consumers.

[@Inb4ify]

@@BrianCroweAcolyte I know what cinebench is man, you just don't understand what is going on. I'm not batting for amd I'm simply countering this moronic fud that is just related to people not understanding the computer science behind what is going on here. Using words like solider doesn't help your case, I outlined exactly how it all works and you start going off about how Intel is better lol. It doesn't matter how valid cinebench is, or what algorithm it uses, that doesn't change the fact that by running it that way there was no chance for the scheduler to handle it properly, while in almost all other cases with other software this wouldn't happen. Obs being a perfect example. But no you start going off about how Intels hardware scheduler works differently than the OS software one. Wow no shit? You can't even set affinity on that. You're out of your depth man.

[@BrianCroweAcolyte]

@@Inb4ify I know how it works, it's a ghetto half hack using a white list and core parking. The reason why people are mad/disappointed by this is because they expect everything to get moved to the non-vcache CCD when a game gets launched. Every talk about AMD products always comes down to some fanboy going "bro bro bro bro you dont understand bro, that's not a real use case bro" meanwhile, Intel and Nvidia's equivalent feature/technology works a lot better.

[@Nukerunin]

AMD's been BSing hard for awhile now. Lost all respect for them when the 5000 series came out and realized it was all nothing more than a hype train.

[@chriskaradimos9394]

proccess lasso does not work , it cant destinquish between a big or little core and the affinity setting if it works causes much latency to direct a thread thus making it useless , its better that cores park themselves for gaming and then return to full usage in windows , thats perfect the second ccd turns off , games are hardly using 4 threads these days but you wanna make scene about amd , i kinda wish my intel did that, and from last i seen intel thread director can only work 50 percent of the time. I already bought it can wait to play star citizen which the ryzen beats intel even without the cache and with the cache the game goes beserk , only other game i play is ashes of the singularity , and AMD loses there pretty bad so ill keep my 13900k and play it on that, overall less power usage by amd so wonder what will happen when i put my chiller on it , if it can turbo even higher .

[@thedream9752]

its sad but i can pay an nvidia gpu 150% overproced rather than buy a product from this bullshit company, and seems the same with the cpu

[@DMitr0]

bro wants to destroy my QD-OLED with this despicable light mode on PC.

[@DMitr0]

also, doubt that they thought nobody would notice it, that would be absolutely redacted, they banked on early adopters to buy alot. and we will then sell it when the next gen with a thread scheduler come out. we'll loose some money, and somebody else is going to baby it, once we change to the next one.

[@DMitr0]

addition number 2, tonns of ppl are using this video of his as refeence material, almost every review i've seen mentioned the core parking.

[@bobtrund]

100% what they did. These companies are not your friend. They only care about your money. I love this dude and his brutal honesty.

[@claudep.1926]

100% not what they did. 2nd CDD is not turned off at all in gaming, it handles OBS and background tasks just fine: kzbin.info/www/bejne/n53GiYKwlsZ7rbc

[@josephkelly4893]

The delay of 7800x3d was so outrageous, good video my bro

[@myamaha62]

That’s funny. My 5800x3d beats or matches the 13900k in many games I play. Not bad for an older generation.

[@myamaha62]

@@od1sseas663 your opinion. Once you are over a certain fps. The slight difference in the top CPU’s are negligible. Therefore it matches. Don’t be a fanboy and say something wins because it has 3 fps more. That’s not how it works.

[@theburnerking]

Is this the Alex Jones of the tech industry? WTF is this guy?

[@timbertv5525]

Scheduling is definitely an issue for Intel P&E-cores too. For example; just look at Star Citizen that allegedly JUST NOW got patched. Before the patch you had to disable the E-cores FULLY in BIOS settings if you were running Windows 10 to run it without the game chugging along at low FPS. I have faith that scheduling will be fine in time on both sides.

[@ionelroza8711]

Star Citizen in 10+ years is still in alpha, of course it has issues. This is the game's fault. If you told me a list of applications and games, sure, it could be. But your example is bad for 1 game, which is in 2023 is still alpha build.

[@timbertv5525]

@@ionelroza8711 It's less of an issue among Windows 11 games. Microsoft also needs to adjust things. Drivers need polishing. All new technology improves over time. Gotta work out the kinks. Also AMD's ditto coming out. It's not just Star Citizen. Microsoft works with the CPU manufacturers to make it all come together over time.

[@humbug1]

Everything in this video is complete nonsense, you have no idea what you're talking about, you're being debunked hard on the internet, but that was your intention wasn't it? This is pure click bait.

[@vocalninja5889]

fake frames and fake chiplets for my fake games.

[@denvera1g1]

I'd rather have a ryzen 11 7990 Black Edition with two 16 core Zen4C chiplets for 32 cores(with reduced cache) Yea its reduced cache, but its the same as mobile Also, look at the marketing for the 13900K 90% of it mention 24 cores, doesnt mention that 16 of those cores are turned off for gaming. Equally as bad as AMD. Whats not equally as bad is that the 5950X has less silicon than the RX 6600XT, doesnt come with RAM, doesnt come with cooling, doesnt come with VRM, doesnt come with board, doesnt come with licenced ports, yet costs WAAAAY more. AMD makes chad profits on their CPUs, AMD charging that much for a tiny ammount of silicon is worse than Nvidia taking a 60 class card(60 class die size and 60 class memory bus), calling it a 12GB 4080, and trying to charge $900 for it

[@saricubra2867]

I never turn off the e-cores. In fact i loose perfomance on my Switch and PS3 emulators (even when my i7-12700K is a 2021 batch with AVX512), music production needs, multitasking... Also, the i7-12700K has like 50% higher 1% lows than a 5800X3D in Troy: A Total War saga. The problem is the optimization of games, i have a smoother experience running Ryujinx Nintendo Switch emulation (a flat frametime graph) than people dealing with stutters on Hogwarts Legacy on Hogsmead and AAA games lacking proper shader compilation. Also, CSGO compared to Portal 2 runs like garbage, DRM Denuvo (maybe?), i tried to force 20 threads, the game crashed. Portal 2 that was launched 2 years before in 2011 (and has real physics unlike CSGO), i watched all 20 threads being used and is a massive increase of framerates vs CSGO (even i'm CPU bottlenecked on the UHD770 iGPU at 720p low for a deathmatch).

[@bigcazza5260]

mainstreamers AMDont want AMDumbs to AMDie out

[@Bostonski]

Just a glimpse of a difference in cpu performance. Mincraft Dungeons on 12700k 5ghz oc and 4090 was giving out dinamic 170-350ish fps , 7950x3d stock , all updated, on x670e-a asus rog strix , had same results. But.. when I set CCD priority to Cache in BIOS setting, same game has 650-950 fps dinamic. No performance loss in general tasks was observed.

[@mercygotnerfed315]

What you just have to understand that this type of tech processor are quit new to computer industry. Obviously it's not 100% fully integrated like any other processor but we will see some improvement in the future. It's quit nice to have a dedicated gaming processor as a quit large part of people buying procos are gamers. Tho i agree that's quit fustrating overall. They could have made a better integration before selling, most people don't like to setup ther shit before using it. We are all used to plug and play now

[@pascaldifolco4611]

Jufes is back throwing sh#t at AMD 🤣🤣 They're still way less scammy than NVidia and Intel...

[@Wobbothe3rd]

Neither of these three companies are scamming anybody.

[@ze-ph9774]

I believe Intel processors also park cores.

[@HyrrokkinX]

waiting for the 7800x3d for sure..

[@koford]

As long as what you're doing mostly fits in the chache on a given set of CPUs it make more sense to have fewer cores active than more cores active when you are latency sensitive in what you're doing and most of the time you will be latency sensitive in what you're doing when we're talking about gaming. "tekwendell". Jufus did not do his research.

[@letsplayskyrimle9391]

When playing with the 13900K, if you want the most of the performance, you must manually turn off the e-cores to have a slight performance gain in games, but if you want to use that processor for productivity, you need to go back to the BIOS to manually activate the e-cores. And you think that's normal. Meanwhile, AMD launches a processor, the 7950X3D, in which, if you have Widows properly configured, when you play games on your computer, part of the processor cores that could delay performance in games are automatically disabled and are automatically activated again when you leave the game, to have maximum productivity performance. And you think it's a AMD scam, that's brutal. I'm sorry to say, but either you didn't think through what you said or you're lying just for your audience's satisfaction. As another KZbinr said, it's blatantly obvious that this processor will only serve those who want to have the best of both worlds - a good processor for gaming as well as productivity. Those who just want a good gaming processor simply have to wait a little over a month for the 7800X3D to be released. My last two processors (10700K and 12700K) were again from Intel, for the simple fact that AMD processors, at least until the first generation of Ryzens (I had the Ryzen 5 1600X before) had bad performance in games that had too many draw calls, making them bad choices for anyone who was a Skyrim addcited, like I am. And it seems that AMD's new processors still demonstrate a lower performance (I'm not absolutely sure!) in games with a lot of draw calls. If it weren't for this uncertainty, and I were about to buy a top of the range processor for games and productivity, this 7950X3D would possibly be the choice I would make, precisely because it automatically turns off cores that are not needed in games, unlike the 13900K, where this has to be done manually. To me, and I think that I'm not the only, this is the part where the 13900K sucks! I don't you comment that?

[@gprojectnoob4779]

I lost so much respect for this guy. If Intel did this he would be showing how to OC it and never bring this BS up. The fanboi really comes out in these times.

[@pets4489]

The difference is 16 P cores advertised vs E core advertised. P cores should help in gaming E cores are expected to not help So, the main problem is not disclosing the half of your P cores on the product do you no good when gaming. Whereas all Intel P cores are good for gaming. No one expected E cores to help gaming performance.

[@JoeWayne84]

None of the benchmarks you saw had the e cores disabled ??? Sure if you want to you can but most people won’t it already beats the 7950x 3d without the e cores disabled at 1440p and 4k. Just admit your a fanboy.

[@mcgmgc]

This is no longer true. 13900K actually gets the highest performance with E cores and HT on in like 90% of the games, the other 10% prefer HT off (but E cores on). E cores should not be touched, this isn't the 12900K which had issues with that in specific games so you gained 10-15 FPS by turning them off. I know since I bench games all the time and had a 12900K as well. I'll be getting the 7800X3D for my other PC and giving the 5800X3D to my brother. Haven't had any issues with the 5800X3D so hopefully it stays that way with the 7800X3D. The 7950X3D seems like a total mess tho, avoiding that for sure.

[@xTurtleOW]

on some games its few % better to have them on, on some its better off. On average it doesn't matter. I have always multiple apps open while gaming and the e cores are just running those and it helps more than turning all of them off

[@radugrigoras]

As a couple of people have said, it’s not quite like you describe it. I will say it’s perhaps the laziest implementation of what is essentially quite simple to implement on a driver level with more granularity. The issue is the system does work, UNTIL you have multiple apps that also prefer v-cache. Your game is essentially locked to those cores only and then more apps can be loaded depending on the whitelist. They should have something more elegant in the driver that allows you to enable a game mode, where as soon as a game that prefers either v-cache or high core clocks is launched all other processes are moved to the other CCD regardless of their preference. Intel is just as bad, you shouldn’t have to disable the E-cores in bios. Their software should know, ok is this a game? Does it run better with e-cores on or off? If answer is off, set the affinity to the P cores, migrate all other processes to E cores. It should be automatic. Shit even a simple UI where you can see all your apps with a toggle, P-core. E core, both, and a check mark that says prioritize, you can figure that crap out yourself in 10min of benching. Long story short both are equally as lazy with their software. I personally wouldn’t say one is better than the other. Is the 7950x3d good for gamers? No, will it OC better than the 7800x3d. No. Is the 7950x3d better for an all in one twitch streaming/gaming machine? I would say absolutely. Is their implementation lazy? Yes. I’m not sure you will see any gains by overclocking, from what I can tell to get above PBO clocks involves BCLK overclocking, and best you might get on the v-cache is 5.2 vs PBO 5.0. 5.9 vs 5.7 on the higher clock CCD. Memory still 6000 if you want your pc to boot every time.

[@jinasura3052]

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[@BrianCroweAcolyte]

This is still bad from a competitive gamer perspective. When the cores are parked, Windows is extremely reluctant to use them. Gordon just did another video on it. Basically he opened up Tombraider, the non-vache CCD got parked. Then he booted up cinebench and told it to use 4 threads and Windows still just put everything on the vcache CCD. The non-cache CCD didn't get used until he told cinebench to use all 32 threads. So it's not as bad as this video says, but it's still pretty shit. Intel is doing rocket science implementing a hardware scheduler and working closely with Microsoft, AMD is just like: "mIcRoSoFt GaMe BaR wHiTeLiSt AnD cOrE pArKiNg!11!!!"

[@ADV_PO]

Well, as for most stuff of yours I do agree with you. But this time it's a product for Pros who want's to game also. And for them this is OK. I disagree in fact that the info about only one CCD is having Vcache. You're an overclocker. You're aware of ability to change max op temperature in BIOS? So you can in fact disable CCD with Vcache and upscale max op temperature on non Vcache CCD and then overclock it. I do believe it would be better to have both CCDs with Vcache, but maybe this way they wanted to have ability to differentiate which apps are operated on which CCD? What do you think?

[@mesicek7]

Just ignore 7000 series and their 3d chips. Wait a year and a half and buy the 9000 series. It's not worth it being an early adopter.

[@corygregghorner111]

easy work around is what im doing. Get process lasso and set all your games to run on the first ccd and the other shit like chrome etc to run on the second ccd. no need to park cores or worry that way its just a little more involved for when you play a game for the first time having to set it to the proper cores. You can do this with task manager as well but with process lasso you can set it so it Always run on those cores and it will remember from then on. Ive been doing this with even just the 7950x for months now and works great to keep games from crossing the ccd and stuttering etc. Some games run better on the second faster clocked ccd (like csgo) so this way you can choose what game gets whats better for it

[@corygregghorner111]

just got to latter in the vid and he mentions process lasso . yea lmao its more hassle but eh it works. It does make a ton of sense to keep your "gaming ccd" clean of all rando background processes and chuck it on the other one.

[@ajpanton]

I don't know why they delayed the 7800X3D, but it's not the reason you base your whole rant on. They are in fact able to sell every non-3D chiplets they produce, easily, for a lot more money than putting them on these CPUs. The demand in servers is just insane, and is the main reason they are delaying the threadripper so much, going so far as to betray their old promises (demand is high for Zen3 as well). The chiplet shortage is a big problem for them in servers, as getting up to ~40% market share there would basically set them for decades financially. Also, these are really low volume products, so using these as a means of getting rid of chiplets makes no sense at all.

[@denvera1g1]

10:45 'Nvidia doesnt launch the high end products before the low end products to get people to buy the high end products because of FOMO' Nvidia normally does this with every launch, otherwise we'd have seen the RTX 4030 launch at the same time as the 4090 Unless you're talking about some other angle. Also, dont box me in, just because i dont like Nvidia doesnt mean i like AMD. Just because i hate trump doesnt mean i dont also hate biden. I'm an independent thinker, i dont buy into this tribal capitalism/politicism crap

[@AKMcF]

No pleasing some people, 5900X3D and 5950X3D don't materialise.. complains.. release broken 7900X3D, 7950X3D complains.. you people 😆

[@denvera1g1]

9:29 I dont want to spend the money to test it myself, but several different reviewers *****claimed***** that when gaming the second CCD does work, but if you dont have enough threads everything stays on the X3D chip, which is still stupid Put windows and all its crappy telemetry on the other CCD, thats the point of having a second CCD, so you can move everything not related to the game onto the other CCD so you dont have to load in and out of cache, the game doesnt have to wait for windows to unload before it can compute a driver call.

[@thewarriorpainter9159]

This is honestly depressing, I can’t believe I am going to buy a 13900k or ks… shame on AMD.

[@Jack-qj2pr]

AMD couldn't even be arsed to add DDR4 support to their silicon. Further shows that they are minimum effort. Intel added DDR5 and DDR4 support, and we don't need to install some nonsense blacklist/whitelist game driver for it to work. This is coming from someone who is using a 3000 series Threadripper. Probably won't get an AMD system next upgrade, especially with how Intel's new Xeons are looking.

[@RobertoMandrile]

ok, buy this CPU is bad for the software parking of 8 core during games but in some video we speak how to disable the e-core on 13900KS and use is at 8 core and work better... 🤔after a session of game if i need all core power for work i need to restart pc and load a new setting in bios.. but hey.. AMD is scam (not amd fanboy.. i've a 12900kf and 13900k)

[@andrewtillery]

why are they comparing every benchmark against ddr5 6000? intel cpus run at ddr5-8000mhz. they need to compare both cpu's performance in its fastest state period. shady benchmark practices.

[@Ghost_R3aps]

Jufes😂

[@protexnoob]

Shouldnt than be a 13900k be faster when gaming while using background stuff in 2nd and 3rd monitor than a 7950x3d?

[@MrDutch1e]

Man 7000 series has been such a flop lol. Performance is OK but just a bunch of AMD bullshit comes along with it as usual. Always strings attached.