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[@armywaldo]

as someone else on the interwebs states, we're in the dark ages where games are built for consoles and ported terribly to PCs

[@HarryClipzFilmz]

It's the Dark Ages in everything, games, movies, sports, etc. It's a whole shitshow happening in real time

[@Wobbothe3rd]

That's how it's always been for big game publishers. Since the 1990s.

[@OdinAlgeron]

and a ton of MORONS that drank the coolaid and bought ryzen because the consoles had ryzen tech thinking ryzen PC's would get better performance... meanwhile the smart people bought 10th gen, 12th gen, and 14th gen tweaked the settings and they COMPLETELY shit on ryzen setups and now the RTARDS think 9xxx ryzen is the second coming of gaming jesus... HAHAHAHA

[@raven80wolfx2]

I feel like denuvo and direct x 12 ultimate are the main issue with games currently. Vram is only slight issue, but still a factor. Direct x 12 requires a lot more developer knowledge to prevent stutters. Ultimate being the newer version, you see it tag team with unreal engine 5. It leads to all these issues we didn't even get when direct x 12 had when it first came out. It had devs needing to learn it. You could run games in direct x 11 at least until they fixed it. We don't get that option to choose anymore. PC ports are usually the best with more options. Mods and fixes by individuals. Issues is waiting out that denuvo removal to see if it's affecting your experience.

[@XFXGX]

@@HarryClipzFilmzeh not really. You’re just not looking enough. There’s a lot more variety and tons of games and movies

[@Krenisphia]

I am DDR5 indeed

[@maxdave9590]

WE'RE DDR5 IS OBSOLETE 🤣🤣🤣

[@ps3guy22]

As a CAMM2 memory module, I find this video highly offensive

[@armywaldo]

MSI showed their motherboards with huge heatsink plates covering the camm2 and big flat waterblock solution.

[@mjes911]

Goal is to have more stability at faster speeds. Maybe CAM will be the only way to go when we get to system memory at DDR6 and higher?

[@BaBaNaNaBa]

put the RAM slots on the backside of the CPU socket

[@h1tzzYT]

Disagree with lots of things said here, first of all only zen 3 vcache doesnt matter, for zen 4 vcache it matters, because cores are strong enough to push through its vcache and be limited by ram. Secondly this is only a first gen of CAMM2 and we, or at least I, dont know, maybe you can even tune it as well, so for first gen to be in such strong position against semi matured and tuned DDR5 is actually good. Also FC seems to dont realize that there is always a balance between core speed and cache size, the bigger the cache the higher the latency as well as the stronger the cores are the more cache they need. But regardless, the first gen of CAMM2 might be a nothing burger, we'll see

[@zbrkesbris5987]

In addition: CAMM2 were designed for laptops to make them more serviceable compared to (soldered)LPDDR5 while still retaining its speed and lower profile compared to so-dimms. In short, CAMM2 provides speeds of LPDDR5 at base voltage while being user-replaceable. Providing more speed at lower voltage also means less heat and less cooling needed (if at all). So, CAMM2 will primarily be in laptops, but could potentially become standard for PC market as well because it will be easier for manufacturers that way in the long run.

[@Winnetou17]

@@zbrkesbris5987 Thank you, I was looking for this. I don't know why he goes "what's the goal" as if a) this is done by Intel and b) this is for desktop and max oc folks only. Quite cringe really. Also, for the desktop max oc, it's still better (though probably it wasn't known when he made this reaction/video) because it's closer, so timings can be better. It also can support 512 GB in quad channel. I hope we actually get to see that, even if I personally don't need it (and won't get it). High-end desktops (and even laptops) I feel are lacking from being only dual channel. And right now, even on 14900K, getting 128 GB of RAM at 6000 MT/s is a challenge. Trivial for 2 sticks, or 4 sticks at up to 96 GB of RAM, but once you go more, it's not not fun anymore. Lastly, the best think for desktop PCs is that you'll no longer have issues with a cooler not having space because of the RAM sticks. Also, also, what the OP said, I don't agree at all with his takes on RAM requirements based on how fast it already goes, and how powerful the CPU is. Though I do agree that most games have their own engine as a bottleneck nowadays.

[@danzy4474]

YOU ARE DDR5 is OBSOLETE KEK

[@maxdave9590]

🤫🤫 HE DIDN'T GO TO SCHOOL TODAY 🤣🤣🤣 WE ARE DDR5 IS OBSOLETE LMFAO 🤣🤣🤣

[@marcmathes41]

that did not last long wow....

[@parkersgarage4216]

@@maxdave9590 he sure didnt lmao

[@wilhelm391]

do you speak English?

[@Adreno23421]

No, you're DDR5.

[@ultraviesonic]

My ddr 3 is working great...

[@LOT9T]

I was at that live and asked about CAMM II. Jufes again provides!👍

[@TheAdrianpp]

Bro misspells the titles on purpose now 🤣

[@joshhernandez8680]

when he talks with his hands, he's going DEEP

[@Krounder]

This dude is so based

[@Greez1337]

Pretty much one of the only dudes I wanted to see give 2 cents on these. Interested to see where CAMM goes on raising the floor. Still chilling on B-die, so not really in need of an upgrade for a while probably. Might wait for the gaming industry collapse before upgrading again. Man jaw industrial complex AAA slop, or another 100 pixel slop roguelites don't warrant it.

[@killerrf]

Got that right

[@SilkMilkJilk]

before we need better hardware, we need some actually good games that justify it^^

[@Greez1337]

@@SilkMilkJilk Every "acclaimed" console port to PC i played has been nothing but boring slop we've seen since 2008. Never again will I believe joe normie who just wants to chase map markers and can't tell when a game has shit writing or mangled character designs.

[@shanksisnoteventhatstrongbruh]

PLENTY of fantastic pc games released between 2010 & 2020, i built a PC in 2019 and haven't had a reason to upgrade other than Dragon's Dogma 2 and with how bad the performance is with that game there isn't a point in me upgrading yet. Those who play games don't bother upgrading that often so you're doing well.

[@thecatdaddy1981]

​@@SilkMilkJilk✋😀

[@jouniosmala9921]

The most important metric for memory performance is latency, which is timings divided by frequency. That's actual time physical time CPU needs to wait for a single cache line. And that doesn't improve with frequency beyond certain point. At 8Ghz at speed of light, each 3.75cm is one cycle longer from CPU to memory module and another cycle back. So maybe this is something like 10% improvement in latency for high quality dies at that frequency.

[@trothfox2160]

Thoughts on Camm-II cooling potential? Looks like it would be super easy to keep cool over the traditional Dimm's

[@crabbylabbe]

I like the way you talk about ram slots if you know what I mean

[@righteousone8454]

As a gamer I knew ram speed mattered since putting 1333 ram to 1600 in Battlefield Hardline in 2015, and saw like 20-25 fps boost, and that was on i7-4790k. Everyone including Linus and Jay (JayZ2Cents), and dozens of other huge techtubers telling us the ram does NOT matter in games for 7 or 8 years after. This is why I rarely trust tech KZbinrs, most don't know what they are talking about You have to sift information. Jufus is pretty on point. I listen to Gordon from PC, and most of the time he is right, but he is still shilling, that 7950x3D retract discredited his loyalty to truth, but dude is very knowledgeable and he actually said the truth in previous video. Jay actually says a lot of great info, but he definitely sprinkles opinions all over his videos, and a lot of them are wrong. Steve from Gamers Nexus is the one I listen to very carefully and Buildzoid is very accurate about his evaluations. There too many tech channels that do not know anything about tech, but are winging it hard. Experience will give you real answers, or people with experience and scientific mind.

[@SigsJourney-og2yx]

why does it all matter, manufacturers and game companies have a thing, they can always make products nerfed at will. Who knows, old devices haven't reached it's fullest potential , dumbed down on purpose to make obsolete.

[@Patrick73787]

@@SigsJourney-og2yx Exactly!

[@sean.d7171]

Half life alyx vr engine is so good it can use 20g vram of the 4090 and 99% usage and no cpu bottleneck. I'm more excited about game engines that actually use all of the hardware correctly. the old games I love but they use 1 core on the cpu the 4090 is like 30% total waste.

[@Gestr3482]

What are we basing the prediction on that 15th gen won't clock as high? Just curious. Because can't the e cores more or less replace HT?

[@Heitorr]

Your DDR5 is OBSOLETE 😱👑*

[@maxdave9590]

🤫🤫🤫 NO, IT'S , YOU ARE DDR5 IS OBSOLETE, HE KNOWS BETTER THAN YOU ARE🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@WiFeYBurGLeR1]

I was waiting for this video lol

[@hadleys.4869]

CAMM2 is about better stability at high frequencies and easier to stabilize as well. Those shorter traces could also man faster communication with the CPU. Also, 15th gen has more cache than 14th gen. Will be interesting to see if the 9000series X3D will still have frame dip issues, like the 7800x3D. High FPS but lower 1% lows than intel.

[@AgentSmith911]

There's almost no practical improvement for PC gaming other than maybe getting slightly better room for your CPU cooler

[@yedrellow]

There's a lot of games that need way better cpu performance but a lot of that is related to game engines. Squad / Arma etc.

[@Jerry-jo6dn]

Arma engine is trash.

[@mikfhan]

Pretty much. I love what arma provides but reforger tech demo must enter the next decade for arma 4 success or it will be almost 1 human generation behind the cutting edge.

[@xxxmtb]

Marginal gains to keep the marketing team in a job

[@mohammedalkhayat7888]

I'm just a gamer PUBG COD Valorant and an enthuthiast when it comes to hardware love buying the latest tech. I had Maximus Z690 12900K with G-skill 6000mhz 3090 then got Z790 Maximus 13900KF with G-skill 7200mhz 4090 and ever since moving to DDR5 my gaming has never felt sharp, Smooth yes Super high FPS definitely but not sharp it's like it lost the Peaker advantage I always felt like i was a fraction of a second behind so I switched back to DDR4 4400mhz G-skill on a Z790 Strix board WoW to me this feels the absolute best.

[@jagenaudas8605]

I can see you next video. "cam 2 at 9000 mhz. the new gaming king"

[@jagildown]

would be nice for itx/sff builds though. for their goal? get rid of desktop ram sticks and get the same standard for desktop/laptop, reducing manufacturing cost and increase margins...

[@wilhelm391]

"probably a fact"

[@AmericaWhatsup]

The few engineering sample motherboards were shown to have a large heat sink with thermal pads covering the CAMM2 module. Super easy to build a water block for that.

[@RafaelSilva-yv3oh]

I think bitspower was that already had one on display with a waterblock.

[@one_rich]

you might not even need a waterblock, with a cover as large as the ones shown, those plates could be large enough to dissipate the heat with just a simple fin stack on top although i think E-ATX might be the new norm for those top tier boards using camm2. Looking at my ATX MB, I can't imagine fitting a camm2 module on it comfortably

[@AmericaWhatsup]

@@one_rich And to the point of this video we are yet to see any numbers as to what advantage this will bring to 14th gen other than having to buy another type of RAM. Maybe we can all run 8000 or better……..

[@usmcp]

Love you jufes, but it looks like the difference will be more apparent on ddr6, where dimms won't be able to match camm at 15gt/s, while not requiring the fafo via voltages, timings and qvl that dimm still does. Also, one camm will be dual channel, making ram post problems a memory 😂

[@snakeat3r114]

Yes, I am DDR5! Jesus, English is not my native but crap like this just grinds my gears. How can I know this better than (yes, not THEN) so many people that speak only English? I am not that smart..

[@Winnetou17]

I think this one he did it on purpose.

[@jakefoster8308]

Upgrading to more memory with the new system will require replacing your old module instead of adding a second. IMO that is the biggest reason ram companies want to promote the new system.

[@gtijason7853]

Not all RAM slots use through hole. I even have DDR3 boards that are SMT only. Z97X SOC F LN2

[@GodRob]

Current ram design for DIY has reached it's end of life.

[@radugrigoras]

Also, I think if trace length etc was such an issue they would have changed the mobo layouts, on the newer intels the Ram pins on the CPU are on the opposite side from where the Dimms are now. PCIe is on the ram side from what I’ve see, so ram should be on the left and your GPU on the right. But it’s not, so it’s not an issue. Just remember this was designed by dell for use in their laptops. Why? To cut costs, has nothing to do with performance or gaming.

[@geesehoward7261]

perhaps 15th gen will have less cache and more cores

[@DragoMorke]

To achieve better speeds they needed to do that. They already needed to remove "theough-whole-solders" for PCI express 5 to work and they prefer to solder ram on mobile boards because its cheaper and they can go higher in speeds. I prefer this over not being able to switch RAM module on a Laptop or using ddr6 (which I expect neef camm2).

[@TheStruggleFest]

Efficiency is going to increase before we see more clock speed. With heat loss and heat efficiency it’s a lost leader. But 5GHz at 25w TDP is going to be a performance boost.

[@pcrundown]

I agree with you about not really needing better CPUs for gaming... Did you see I asked you about unblocking me on Twitter?

[@bigcazza5260]

"15th gen" no its core ultra 200 series and no it has a new cache hirearchy and yes the igpu is much bigger hence it will actually need the bandwidth

[@StuartBoyer]

My current Z790 Apex runs 48GB XMP 8000 out of the box with my 14900K (bin equal to a KS) and 4090. It will even do 8200 with no timing or voltage changes just punch it in. I recently swapped that kit out for my older 64gb 6400mhz kit though. I found in my games when comparing the two that I got roughly the same FPS at 4K + or - 1 or 2 fps. So I now run the 64GB kit for DCS World. Dont see the point for the new RAM and new CPU coming out. May tweak the 64GB kit.

[@valentin3186]

Test it @1080p scenario. DR is okay though even below 7200Mbps

[@StuartBoyer]

@@valentin3186 Really don't see the need to test at 1080P and swap them out again as that won't gain me anything, I don't run anything this PC is built for at that resolution. I run it in a 4K ROG PG32UQX as the main monitor and occasionally a LG G3 77" OLED TV as another. Even if there were any differences at 1080p it's meaningless in my individual use cases. Maybe if I have time some weekend I may try it if I get bored.

[@valentin3186]

@@StuartBoyer true, don't bother. U are all set

[@impuls60]

This vid is one scenario, I really hope they made the new socket of supporting the upper end of the DDR5 standard. If they dont, whats really the point of upgrading Intel? With the market flooding over with lga1700 boards, good luck selling the new platform. High price is fine if you can back it up with an equivalent uptick in performance.

[@SigsJourney-og2yx]

reinventing the wheel..?

[@alphacentauri3994]

For the ram in current time is good: for ultrabooks and big tablets 2 in 1 like new lunar lake for bigger laptops is CAMM 2 for home PC is the current DIMM slots Maybe that will change after 2030 if see chips like lunar lake in home pc's with capacity's like from 32GB to 256GB not like now 16GB and 32GB.

[@Rabieh-jr5gb]

How can you water cool that thing?

[@wilhelm391]

does it even get really hot? man its really gonna suck having this better ram................

[@derenbong6060]

Agree with Jufes here, I predict arrow lake will have the cpu die with its memory controller, soc die with npu and L4 cache since lunar lake has a separate cache block and cache does not benefit from high end nodes, IO die with pcie and USB and thunderbolt and, GPU die,

[@walterrankin200]

They already have water blocks for Camm2 and it will be so much faster.

[@OptiVR]

My prediction, it will do something but wont matter for 99% of the market.

[@TGC1775]

Well. They Gotta do something even if it’s not worth doing yet. Cost will be high for a while before we see it ourselves.

[@sayonara5699]

I don’t get the point of this just download more ram

[@NBWDOUGHBOY]

I mean, If CAMM 2 is going to allow higher performance with little to no FAFO, I dont see the issue with that. Obviously its gonna cost a lot so its going to a cost to performance trade off in there. EDIT: If Intel isn't going to have an 3D V-Cache competitor which it looks like they aren't this might be a good thing for Intel Systems. It might give them a boost in certain gaming scenarios. We will see when the official benchmarks come out.

[@slazy824]

Just wondering, if you only use a single stick does that cancel out the latency from using 2 sticks?

[@FrameChasers]

No because they are on seperate channels

[@papasmurf5598]

Only thing I might drop a dime on is a new GPU, if it's as powerful as they are saying it might be. 2 1/2 X the performance of the 4090 would be well worth the upgrade. Maybe then I will play around with Ray Tracing.

[@InnocentiusLacrimosa]

I am pretty certain that RTX 7090 or RTX 8090 might be 2,5 times the performance of RTX 4090

[@CrackaSlapYa]

13th/14th gen 7200c32 > 8000c38 Intel owners- safe to buy no new tech this year besides rtx 5090 (if u already own a 4090), all the other things are side-grades.

[@connorharris1900]

Cam allows for waterblocks which will give alot better performance. its been around since the 90’s.

[@cannaroe1213]

Waterblocks or CAM? I've only ever seen DIMM, UDIMM, and chips soldered directly to the board.

[@connorharris1900]

@@cannaroe1213 cam ram ive seen it before a long time ago its not a new design.

[@cannaroe1213]

@@connorharris1900 I see, thanks for setting me straight :)

[@connorharris1900]

@@cannaroe1213No problem! it will allow us to waterblock directly onto the ram die’s. temperature is even more important with ram than cpu and gpu. that will all reveal itself in the following year.

[@Archonsx]

you should post more on youtube

[@defectiveclone8450]

There will be heaps of people testing cam vs stock ram slots to see if theres a performance jump. If we dont see one cam will fade away from the market much like all other failed PC changes. Its how the market works. Rambus RDRAM :)

[@terminator9099]

how does he have such jacked arms ? Please drop the workout bro

[@termopylae5506]

Low bodyfat %

[@chrisgarner5765]

camm2 sucks, i rather just have 4 or 8 channel slots vs 2 channel and 256gb of ram on consumer desktops now that LLMs are a thing vs moving to a server board like I have with 12 channel DDR5 with 12 DDR5 slots

[@Winnetou17]

From what I saw, IIRC, CAMM 2, one module will allow quad channel 512 GB of RAM. Which I also think it's sorely needed on highend desktops (even laptops) PCs. Only having dual channel for 16 cores is insulting. Meanwhile Apple goes to 16!!! channels on their ultra chips. So much hate.

[@chrisgarner5765]

@@Winnetou17 may have higher rank, but bandwidth is still 2 channels because all the new desktop CPUs are still only dual channel

[@kren4449]

The idea is to get you to buy a new motherboard + memory.

[@one_rich]

Its not being developed and introduced for todays ram and processors requirements, its for the future going forward. PCI express is an example of this. a 4090 barely saturates PCI 3.0 and here we are on PCI 4.0 with 5.0 around the corner

[@killerrf]

But for gaming he is right. Dont need faster cpu. Need games that utilize more of the cpus we have like flight sim for example. Uses like 1 core…. Unacceptable. Then battlefield 2042 uses most cores of what a cpu has thats being used. Then how many more fps do we really need for fps or singleplayer games? which current hardware maxes out

[@one_rich]

@@killerrf but we're talking about hardware and not software. Hardware always needs to get faster so that as a whole, all the technologies in a system progress forward togeather

[@killerrf]

@@one_rich ok.

[@h1tzzYT]

@@killerrf MFS2020 uses ~8 cpu threads, def not a single core lol

[@ericvalentine1497]

They should just do HBM4

[@one_rich]

I imagine in the far future, you won't need any additional ram or cache on cpu/gpu. You would have one storage medium with an interconnect fast enough to satisfy general storage, ram and cache all in one for both cpu and gpu.

[@ChrisAzure]

Too far, HBM needs to be on the same package with the CPU, that would kill RAM upgrades. It's only viable for laptops.

[@iceboy1170]

HBM only provide bandwidth, but all gaming needs is latency. Bandwidth and latency are orthognal.

[@yzonker]

Yea, it's just for everyday users with cheaper boards, so they can do higher speeds.

[@iceboy1170]

I want small SRAM instead of large DRAM.

[@chriskaradimos9394]

cant wait till you benchmark new ryzen

[@hailstorm7868]

So with 14900k and 4090 how many gens can I skip?

[@thaddeus2447]

with that bsods on 14900k not managing to even start the game + burning 4090, i think you will need to upgrade in upcoming months lol

[@hailstorm7868]

@@thaddeus2447 Maybe I got lucky, but running all that stock I have no issues unless running something heavy when gpu cooks ram and makes it unstable. Dropped some ram speed and never seen a blue screen.

[@XFXGX]

@@thaddeus2447what are you talking about?

[@laszlozsurka8991]

1 gen. The RTX 6090 is definitely gonna be at least 80% faster than a 4090

[@toonnut1]

I like this video 👍

[@SodaiGoku]

Bro, you really suit the shaved head/beard look! 👍

[@dieselphiend]

Camm style memory is much easier to cool than any other format. You just cool it like it's a CPU. Can have water or air blocks.

[@heslo8767]

Not if the back of the board is populated with chips too

[@radugrigoras]

Really? What about the chips underneath? I have a 64gb module in my laptop and it has chips on both sides….you drank that snake oil too fast and are hallucinating

[@dieselphiend]

@@radugrigoras Both dual, and single channel variants can be made on a single side.

[@dieselphiend]

@@radugrigoras Much easier to cool than traditional ram sticks, which only offer a few millimeters between sticks.

[@radugrigoras]

@@dieselphiend if you say so, maybe 32gb modules, but I doubt you will see too many 64gb or 128gb modules that are single sided, they would need to be too long negating any advantage. Unless we get higher density ICs this generation which I doubt. All I can tell you is that my 64gb module is packed on both sides with not much room left, the 128gb module is also packed on both sides but is one memory IC row longer. Also the limitations are still the memory controller on the chip. All the modules use the same SK Hynix 5600 chips but 32gb runs at 5600, 64gb at 5200, 128 at 4800. Maybe that’s just dell being conservative on their Precision line but they are doing it obviously for a reason. All I’m saying is camm2 isn’t going to revolutionize anything as much as they make it out to. It’s mainly to save height in laptops vs the old SODIMM slots, also made by dell to force you to buy a whole new module instead of buying a laptop with 32gb and then adding 32gb yourself for half the price. Now it’s fooling gamers into thinking ohhh if I buy a new camm mobo and a module I’ll be able to hit 10600mt on my 14900k..Answer is NO, you can’t hit that now with 1 stick in the closest slot, why would this change that?

[@weswesotrashed3754]

Lower vr frame times the better 4090 isnt eought nor is ryzen 7xxx / intel 14th

[@SigsJourney-og2yx]

game companies and tech companies have a handshake when it comes to deliverately making fps worse to make gpu obsolite.

[@weswesotrashed3754]

@@SigsJourney-og2yx sure, it's definitely not called making the games look prettier I'm talking about a vr game with user-generated content.

[@radugrigoras]

Most camm modules have ram on both sides. Also it’s not any closer to the CPU as far as the first dimm slot is concerned, just the second. The goal is to stop you from buying 2 dimms and adding 2 more later, you have to change the whole module. They had CAMM2 and regular DDR5 running 10600MT at computex, same timings, which makes sense they are using the same memory chips…Nobody other than Derbauer mentioned that all the systems running 10600 were running AMD 8000 APUs, camm or dimm. Why? Because the trace story and interference is BS, it’s all about the memory controller, the APUs have a much better memory controller because they were designed to run with LPDDR5 soldered to the board, there are laptops right now running over 10000MT ram. The limit is still your CPU, you buy into this BS hoping you will run 10600 on a 14900k or 7950 and you are fooling yourself, you might get 100mhz more at best and -500$.

[@walllec]

The goal is to make xmp work.

[@Sakrin117]

Jufus, you need to work on your sketching XDD

[@pf100andahalf]

Everything you own is old and obsolete.

[@PokeStoryHarry]

previous ddr5 will be cheaper

[@shephusted2714]

people should be very skeptical - it is not really obvious, will be over priced and where are the platforms - so far it is vaporware for desktops and will remain so - more than likely

[@J.king87]

If it the same as 14the gen...then go amd right ? 7800x3d and wait for zen 6...and your futureproof for poor people like me 😂❤

[@parkersgarage4216]

i run cam2 in my race car does that count lol. funny they call it race gas. you cant compete w out camm2 come on now lol.

[@J.king87]

Can 14900k with 8000 ddr5 max out rtx 5080 or 5090 ?

[@OdinAlgeron]

depends on how much faster they are compared to a 4090

[@laszlozsurka8991]

@@OdinAlgeron So far the 5090 seems like a 40-50% leap over the 4090

[@ChargerDawg]

[@GuidoDePalma]

yeah, intel will add more and more cache to compete with AMD x3d chips

[@InnocentiusLacrimosa]

cache is more impactful if RAM is slow and/or timings are loose. Lets see how much extreme amounts of cache would even benefit Intel CPUs if they are paired with fast RAM out of the box.

[@GuidoDePalma]

@@InnocentiusLacrimosa true

[@righteousone8454]

The problem is not just the cache, Jufus (my opinion) Architectures are flawed to max out things like RTX 4090 at 1080p Architecture should have least overhead, and cpu should utilize your GPU to over 90% usage, not hang GPU in the background while CPU is slide dancing to new task slowly. We already learned that raising Ghz to 6.0 is not the only way to boost performance if IPC is not high enough for 1080p gaming and 4090. CPUs are not regressing, but not catching up fast enough to RTX cards. I want to see a day when CPUs are actually fast enough to catch up to GPUs. I speculate mining industry caused GPU market to develop stronger than expected GPUs. While CPU did not have that demand. There is only a few games that I can nearly max my 4090 with my 13900k, and 1 title off the top of my head is RDR2 (story, not online). RDR2 online uses about 70-80%, while Story is hovering around 97%, and story mode is more consistent in FPS. I had FX-8320 and although it was great at multi-tasking compared to i7-4790k, it struggled with gaming and GPU usage being low. Because once again IPC was better on Intel, and way better architecture on Intel's cpu. Same logic applies to Threadripper and Xeon cpus/Epyc/etc. Lots of cores, but weak per core performance. Intel and AMD needs to focus on IPC and changing architectures. 7950x chips have infinity fabric delay, so the architecture is made more for rendering and workstations, not for gaming. Similar to Intel i9-7980xe, great for rendering, not great for gaming. So i7-8700k smokes it. Because IPC But, it doesn't disprove what you are saying, because older Xeons like v3-v4 had way larger cache than i9-9900k, so it had better stability in frames, but they were lower because IPC was lower and it would clock to like 3.8 ghz max. So, in ways you are correct. You need higher L3/L2/L1 cache, but you also need architecture that can utilize it. Whether it achieves it through speed like 13th/14th gen intel or by other structures/nature of the chip. As modern 4.5 ghz chips beat out AMD Bulldozer at 4.5/5.0 ghz

[@Yolo_Swaggins]

I was like 69

[@anhelitoARG]

What a bunch of rubbish, we don't need new faster ram nor faster CPUs! :D That will age well.

[@666Necropsy]

you will need gear 3 12,000mhz for this to matter. anything else will be slower. just like ddr4 4000mhz to ddr5 8000. we are not even close to this.

[@impuls60]

What are you talking about?! Try gaming on a 360Hz rig and see if you change your mind. Pubg on 240Hz is so much better than slow 50fps a normal pc can master in 0.1%lows.

[@mypeeps1965]

I stopped watching 99% of everything pc hardware related. I just dont give a fuck! I can play my games and no one is ever going to pay me to care, so why? Even trolling for entertainment value has gotten boring. Its will always be some version of left VS right or green Vs red and we'll see about blue when their relevant in gpu's. Sheep will drain the life out of you if you let them!

[@DaKrawnik]

stay away from computers, bro.

[@victimUK]

your*

[@FrameChasers]

Aw shucks, there goes my spelling again

[@Gee_isMyName]

y'ourentent

[@jonsnow2555]

Banned lol jk

[@XFXGX]

LOL you fell for it. It was intentional 😂

[@MrEdioss]

russians explain this better

[@InnocentiusLacrimosa]

the only things russians should be explaining is why their nation has descended into genocidal fascism

[@valentin3186]

Which channel do you recommend