FRAMEWORK 16: an almost perfect Linux laptop

[@TheLinuxEXP]

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[@gigalodon14]

One correction: a few days ago an extension bay for the Framework 16 was announced, a dual M.2 slot for stuff like additional SSDs or AI accelerators

[@TheLinuxEXP]

Oh nice ! That wasn’t the case when I recorded and edited the video !

[@gigalodon14]

Sure, Im not blaming you, just wanted to add this :D Also I am surprised to see Resolve running so badly on AMD GPUs when I think its running pretty alright on my Intel iGPU using Intel-Compute-Runtime

[@FUSSSEL]

@@TheLinuxEXPyou should correct that with a pinned comment imo its at time of the release a mistake in the video…

[@cameronbosch1213]

​@gigalodon14 That's exactly what happens when only one option of a class of propietary software (in this case video editors) is on Linux and that developer cares about Linux, but not enough. I decided to make do with Kdenlive unfortunately.

[@cameronbosch1213]

Those schematics are available online from Framework.

[@cameronbosch1213]

Just be aware of the following: 1. They tried to fit two M.2 2280 SSDs but they couldn't, leading to the present situation with one 2280 & one 2230 SSD. I only have one 2280 SSD installed because the 2230 wouldn't fit with my double sided 8 TB 2280 SSD. Not a huge deal, but I do have to mention it. 2. The reason the screen isn't 3 : 2 is because there aren't any good 3 : 2 high refresh rate panels on the market yet. 3. 8:05 (Windows 11? Shivers. I know my unit didn't come with it because it was a DIY unit, but still, the fingerprint sensor works, which is more than most laptops, even ones preinstalled with Linux!) 4. If you want some more Linux gaming benchmarks or other information, hit me up!

[@rhebucks_zh]

geez! you have an 8TB SSD

[@cameronbosch1213]

@rhebucks_zh yeah, mainly because I do a lot on my laptop.

[@akinovax]

@@cameronbosch1213 💀

[@cameronbosch1213]

@@akinovax ...What?

[@enzochoi923]

honestly single 8tb is a great choice- the next step down would be a 4tb 2280 with a 1 or 2 tb 2230. the 2230 slot is a worthy sacrifice for another 2-3 tb of storage at a higher speed, if you can afford it.

[@lineax5927]

Had an rma with my fw 13 last week. Touchpad worked not correctly. They sent me a new input cover, i installed it and sent the old one back. Best company👍🏻 I love my fw13. I dual boot it with windoom and ubuntu. Works perfectly.

[@DavideDavini]

Windoom, LMAO. 😂

[@lineax5927]

@@DavideDavini 😂Dont know how to describe it better

[@ContantContact]

I have my touchpad disabled through Linux whenever a mouse is attached; and it always is attached. But I should try it once in awhile to make sure the touchpad works from what you said. I don't expect any problems though.

[@lineax5927]

@ContantContact It was a physical Problem. Just tap on it to see if it works fine. Mine was clicking two times.

[@jaunie8217]

@@lineax5927i just got mine a little over a week ago. I'm having problems with the fan running full tilt from boot running idle. I've contacted support and they've decided to send me a replacement heatsink module. Hopefully it works out. Other than this issue the laptop has been great. 🙏

[@loustalk8227]

16:00 Don't worry Nick. Most of us are weirdos here in the linux community

[@trya2l]

I am (not) a weirdo ? Am I ? 😶‍🌫️

[@squirlmy]

​@@trya2l because you're not a weirdo by linux standards, making you a weirdo in the linux community!😮

[@peterkuchar219]

I really appreciate that you're mentioning negatives, too!

[@phillee2814]

I love the fact that you can put the number pad on the side it is designed to be used - the left. just look at how it is laid out with the larger and keys on the right where they fall under the left thumb. That number pad layout is copied from the calculators that were used by accountants with a pen in their right hand for checking off lists of numbers while entering them into the calculator (and before that, adding machine) with the left hand. On my desktop, I use a separate number pad so that I can have it on the left, and it is a failure of keyboard layout design to have placed it incorrectly on extended keyboards. Then there are all the other benefits, like the port arrangement that allows it to be customised to suit whatever your own needs and preferences might be, the fact that it can so easily be opened for cleaning or upgrading (how much RAM can you fit into it, I wonder?) and to replace the battery when it inevitably needs it. I can't see anything I dislike about this laptop.

[@omegaSomeone]

Hi! The current generation of FW16 mainboards supports up to 64GiB of RAM. Seeing as the newest FW13 ones support 96GiB, I think it's safe to assume that the next FW16 gen to be able to do that too.

[@robertwright8844]

I get that traditionally calculators were used by the left hand since a right-handed person would write with their dominant hand. But since using the numpad is typically the *primary* activity for a computer user, doesn't it make sense to default to the right (most common dominant) hand?

[@Winnetou17]

You can go to 96 GB of RAM, with 2 sticks, the maximum that currently DDR5 modules have (you can see it as an option when you configure it). Oh, how I wish they would've made 4 slots. My current laptop just got 8 years old, and one of the reasons it's still decently usable is that it has 64 GB of RAM (that I knew right when I bought it that I wanted, even though the jump from 16 to 64 I made it about one year later). Now I want at least 128 GB of RAM. I don't really need it now, but in 5-7 years, I'm sure I will. And I do plan to use the next laptop for 7-10 years. I also love RAMdisks, you can never have enough RAM!

[@phillee2814]

@@robertwright8844 In that case, the number pad needs to be redesigned as a mirror of its current layout. As it is, we have a left-handed layout on the right, which is not properly laid out for anyone.

[@robertwright8844]

@@phillee2814 That's a good point. I hadn't ever thought about that.

[@cameronbosch1213]

I love this laptop. Framework is one of the few OEMs that actually have official Linux support and have dGPUs. Most don't or if they do, they have serious other dealbreakers, like worse build quality, outdated screen resolutions, and non ANSI keyboard layouts. Framework just happened to have the best option after trying several Windows laptops that didn't work well with Linux at all.

[@Parker8752]

I've got the 13 inch model, since I didn't have the money for the 16 inch model, and it's great. I honestly really like the 3:2 aspect ratio - it's a nice middle ground between 16:9 and 4:3, and I like having a taller screen because I tend to do more programming and web browsing, and less movie watching and gaming on it. I haven't really bothered with the fingerprint scanner, but everything worked great, and the closest I've had to a problem (for some reason one of the ram slots didn't seem to be working, but it works perfectly now so it was most likely an error on my part putting it in) was responded to incredibly quickly. I probably wouldn't get a 16 inch model myself, because all I really need a dGPU for is gaming (or potentially hobbyist game development), and I'd rather have a proper desktop for that (especially if I'm spending around £2k; for that kind of money I could assemble a significantly more powerful desktop), but for people who need the portability of a laptop and the power of a dGPU, I can see the 16 inch model being an excellent option.

[@wile123456]

Thing is this tier of low end GPU's (they are so cut down compared to the similar named desktop GPU's) is a dying breed. When struck halo comes out with a console size GPU with tons of compute units, the low end laptop GPU market is dead. You get same performance but much less power usage and you can save a ton of space.

[@cameronbosch1213]

@@wile123456 I'd expect new GPU options at CES 2025 and from Framework shortly after. That should solve that problem, and you'll be able to upgrade to it

[@Will-sc3hw]

They should make a single piece touch pad module. Most people don't need the modularity in that area.

[@kintrix007]

> *Gigantic* 20% French VAT _laughs in Hungarian_ (27%)

[@truedatrue2744]

Laughing uncontrollably in Brazilian (95-100% + paying 10x the currency value).

[@jaimeFaithBasedOne]

Spain 21%

[@trya2l]

So we good 😮

[@schtormm]

@@jaimeFaithBasedOnehey, samesies here in the Netherlands

[@XGD5layer]

Side-eyes in Finnish 25.5%

[@gavinjones]

5:50 While the anime is what i thought of when I heard that, I certainly didn't expect a direct reference a moment later :D

[@notjulesatall]

They should *really* make a solid single body cover for the Framework 16 as an alternative to the modules.

[@Winnetou17]

I was thinking the same. It's less modular, but still easy to swap, and it would solve the gaps problem. Don't know if it would have difficulties clicking it into place as a single piece. While here, I would like this single body cover to have no touchpad, but a trackpoint, full size arrow keys (I hate the small ones so soo SOOO much) and to be rubberized or something similar. To not feel like metal or hard plastic (and not cold). Though this last point might be a problem if they thought of dissipating heat through it (this is where metal is good) but from how it looks and how weakly is connected to the mainframe, I highly doubt they're doing this.

[@jessl1934]

They are still in the earlier stages of developing their offerings. I think that it would be safe to anticipate them releasing single-body covers as well as left/right/center oriented trackpad lower halfs at some point, provided that demand is high enough to justify it. A trackpoint keyboard must have been considered at some point too. I know there's a small but avid fanbase of trackpoint keyboards, including for people with disabilities. I'd say that it's less likely to see this being released but it's not outside the realms of possibility. If you want to see it then I'd recommend reaching out to the company directly asking if they have one in development and if they are considering it - the answer will be probably be no to both but the more people asking means the more it'll be on their radar.

[@1234enzor]

I already ordered mine 16inch "badboy" with 7940HS and 7700s 96gb Ram Led Spacers Macropad i love that it has my region keyboard and this will be my CachyOS gamer Laptop, my games dont require all that 4080 gpu power to be at 1440p 144 hz(which is 1 of my home monitors at home but this laptop is for the on the go gaming) so this is fine, i got an EGPU for my other laptop which is 7600s from AOOStar and it runs it wellbut the fan is loud, this extra power might give it more headroom for less fan noise and i dont have to carry that brick EGPU around, fingers crossed

[@BeastViper007]

96GB RAM?

[@Winnetou17]

@@BeastViper007 Yeah, 96 GB is the maximum. 2 slots

[@BeastViper007]

@@Winnetou17 Do you really have that much RAM on it?

[@Winnetou17]

@@BeastViper007 Well, I don't have a Framework laptop ... yet. But you can seee it yourself if you go to Framework's website and configure a Framework 16, you have the option of 96 GB RAM. And it is the standard for DDR5, so no real reason for Framework to not support it (I'm not even sure if it depends on them, if they can influence this).

[@seansingh4421]

Only 16 ? Mine is 17, folded 😂😂

[@Soguwe]

It's wild we haven't seen _any_ new things for the input deck. You could make a midi keyboard. A stenography keyboard. Drum pads. A drawing tablet. A mini display, both eink and oled. A little touchscreen. The possibilities are endless, but all they make are keyboards and numpads. And not even weird ones, like Colemak. Hopefully that changes soon.

[@jojosworlds1208]

Are enough people going to be it, is the question. Because I think that's more of a niche thing that maybe a third party could do.

[@Soguwe]

@jojosworlds1208 They _should_ get some third parties on board. I've seen Yamaha do weirder things than collab with a niche laptop manufacturer.

[@Kiaulen]

A graphics tablet replacement for the touchpad module would be incredible. Make it full width, and just plug in (or Bluetooth) a mouse beside it. As long as it only accepts pen input, you wouldn't even need to worry about palm rejection. You might even be able to swap out the left keyboard cover with a well and store along that entire side. I hope framework makes this happen

[@Winnetou17]

@@Soguwe Thing is, they're not swimming in money, neither in staff members and facilities. I remember them saying in a video how much it took to make a specific module, can't remember which. And they still didn't got yet the module that has 2 USB-C outputs, that I know they're working on. So I wouldn't put much hopes of seeing something from them for the next 1-2 years.

[@Soguwe]

@@Winnetou17 but they also don't really give incentives to third parties to do the work for them. Yeah, they release the blueprints so you can make your own modules, but then what? There is no real way to bring it to the customers. The only place I've found anything remotely approaching third party modules was on the subreddit, good luck with that. The mods are arseholes. They have a marketplace where every framework customer visits at least once. They _could_ set something up to let third parties list their stuff there. But they don't.

[@alexanderdelguidice4660]

3:50 The way you removed the keyboard made me cringe. Those black pull tabs are there for a reason.

[@acoupleofschoes]

He was also twisting and pulling the silver palm panels from the sides instead of sliding them. I wouldn't be surprised if the shifting he was talking about was because he bent one or more of the panels. I'm careful with mine and the touchpad panel still got slightly warped at one of the top corners and made a gap with the next panel that I had to flatten.

[@login415]

I have so much love for 15+ inch laptops without a numpad. This looks like a fun project computer that allows a lot of good customizability. If Lenovo did more ThinkPads tenkeyless, I would totally jump on them. I still find myself using my old T530 from time to time.

[@traveller23e]

The more recent ThinkPads just aren't that great though when it comes to build quality. I have two E-series ones, one from 2017 and one from 2021. They are both now failing in the keyboard area, the older one because the A key keeps falling off, the new one because random columns of keys occasionally stop working for a bit. The new one also has a much less replaceable keyboard.

[@login415]

@@traveller23e That's a shame. I've always owned the T or X-series ThinkPads, and perhaps it's because I buy them used or with problems, I ended up fixing them up to my liking. I understand that the E-series tend to be the more affordable "economy" class of Thinkers, but that shouldn't be any excuse for poor QC. Are you able to swap out the keyboards on your newer E-series? I know this is besides your point that ThinkPads are going down the pooper, but serviceability was always a perk of the ThinkPad line (along with its terrific HMM guides). I think the main concern I have for the latest trend of laptops are on-board everything. I understand that manufacturers use the excuse that it saves space, but bad RAM does happen and SSDs wear out over time. I always see a lot of terrific condition MacBook Airs on auctions/marketplace apps, but onboard 4GB just will not cut it for my use case.

[@ericmintz8305]

Early Framework 16 adapter (batch 7) here. I went big: Ryzen 9, 64Gb RAM, 1T SSD, the whole nine yards. It runs Ubuntu 24.04 a treat, and does a lot more than I need. My touchpad is solid, no wiggle at all. The keyboard feels great. My dry skin is incompatible with touchpads, but the Framework's is responsive, so good on it. I look forward to using it for many years. Note: the Framework is the first new personal laptop I bought in well over a decade. My knockabout machine is a salvaged 2011 MacBook Pro with a new battery, touchpad, and SSD. It, too, runs Ubuntu a treat, and I love its built-in DVD drive. I look forward to watching DVDs on my next flight.

[@bertblankenstein3738]

Keyboard flex: a while ago Framework sent me a kit of a few rubber pads (at no cost) that I could stick on various locations (instructions provided) under the baseplate to reduce keyboard flex.

[@zeriah]

If/when I need a new laptop, Framework is definitely going to be my first choice. It'd be nice if we got an option for one of the newer ARM-style processors that other laptop manufacturers are starting to move toward, since it would be more power efficient.

[@traveller23e]

Yeah, when I next get a laptop I'll probably be looking for a 14 or 15 inch ARM for travelling. Don't need high resolution, good graphics, webcam, speakers ecc just want something I can program on with plenty of ports for usb devices and headphones.

[@OohhFudge]

I've been using this laptop and I'm slowly transitioning to Linux via a VM for now. For me... - Build quality: Its good and feels premium. Its much batter than my previous all plastic laptop. Keyboard and touchpad feel good for me and I'm not feeling them moves like Nick has. However, I think that this shows there in variability from build to build. There are some raised edges on the spacers around the touchpad, but they dont bother me. - Size: It wont fit into a 16" laptop sleeve if you have the GPU module. Consider this if you have a laptop bag that only goes up to 16". - Heat: It feels warm under the laptop all of the time when its on. This includes when its not under load. Not sure if others have been experiencing the same thing. - Webcam: Its terrible and stuggles with point light sources behind the user. Those sources look like a large halo. They updated the camera on the FW13 and I expect them to do the same with the FW16 on its next board release. - Speakers: Not great, but I've heard that there is a way to improve it with sound profiles. All in all I'm actually very happy with the laptop. It was expensive, but I like the philosophy of the company and the issues I've encountered are rarely issues (My bag is big enough, the webcam is fine for teams meetings and I always use headphones regardless).

[@foxtrots5223]

I have the 13" one and the heat is the same

[@D.von.N]

Earlier this year I bought a second hand 3 yo Dell business class laptop to start learning Linux. I paid just £240 for it and later found out it also has extensive customer support. They were always there for me, in seconds, to assist. One and half more year of it... Just I replaced the nvme for 4x the capacity and got a spare charging wire, if the original got damaged, or I don't need to carry it between upstairs and downstairs if I want to use it on power supply for extended period of time. On both floors there is one power cable for the laptop. It is doing great. I see quite a number of years using it. The more mainstream the framework device will get, the cheaper it will get. For now I am happy with my choices.

[@johanmaasing]

I got this laptop a few weeks ago for use as a developer. I had the same experience using Nobara Linux. It just works. Great laptop and good review.

[@lightyisreal]

FRAMEWORK!! I love them

[@erlienfrommars]

This may not be everyone's taste but I honestly think that using screws to lock those parts together instead of magnets would make those modules more rigid and less wobbly, yes it will take more fiddling to replace the parts, but isn't that what we've been doing on Desktop PCs already?

[@BootlegGremlin]

The keyboard is probably shifty because you treated it like a brute with how you pulled that thing out.

[@05Matz]

If I were in the market for a laptop right now, I'd definitely be considering this...

[@JessicaFEREM]

I would love a rear battery that would replace the GPU. It might not be the best use of space but if I'm carrying a 6 pound behemoth in my bag and not doing anything taxing I'd love to have a big battery for long road trips.

[@TroubledTrooper]

My HP Notebook from 2016 with upgraded ram, Linux Mint and a SSD is a perfect Linux laptop.

[@bertblankenstein3738]

Regarding the ethernet: just get a small usb 3 hub that has an ethernet port. This way you do not need that rj45 card that sticks out.

[@IvoJesus]

“The gigantic 20% french VAT” - come on over to Portugal, we ONLY pay 23%.

[@averdadeeumaso4003]

In Finland it is 25,5% right now

[@tulsatrash]

I'm glad that I've come to enjoy the seams and tiny movements.

[@Luckdragon2000]

It's actually a competent gaming laptop as well, especially when coupled with Nobara Linux (a custom version of Fedora).

[@Heavy_Chevy]

Great to finally hear a review focus on the price context.

[@elberttanner6189]

Suggestion: To correct the small wiggle or item movements, I would suggest trying small bits of double sided tape strategically placed under the components.

[@jkr9594]

Doesn't have to be two-sided even, in my experience. I just have some tank tape under there.

[@Huehnerpapst]

That wiggle is probably only on his unit or already fixed for the retail units. The FW16 I have doesn't have any wiggle room for the modules at all

[@Kurotama_STR]

@@Huehnerpapst Same here

[@Winnetou17]

@@Huehnerpapst I did hear others complain about it too. And about the modules not being even which can be REALLY annoying, as one side/corner sticking out will bother you everytime you use it. So, to me, it's a bit hit and miss. Their quality tolerances don't seem to be good enough just yet.

[@joeyjumper94]

actually frame.work did come out with a new option for expansion bay when i first got mine, i could choose between expansion bay shell or graphics module, but recently they came out with a new part, it is the M2 adaptor, it goes inside the expansion bay shell and needs the graphics module interposer, with it, you can add 2 more SSDs to your machine.

[@abc_cba]

I have an obsession with AMD processors since i had my Zen 2 based Ryzen 4500U processor purchased 4 years back. I'll wait for Zen 7 to make a move, until then i am still satisfied with my laptop processor.

[@THeck_23]

We love the weired french dude!

[@xgui4-studios]

true !

[@mavfan1]

Is that how you spell weird in French? 😜

[@sylvainHZT]

I'm a old Proton user and supporter, but they should provide better linux support (Protondrive for example). Nice video btw !

[@vladimir_k_bestplayerna1217]

Split tunneling not being supported for Proton VPN on Linux is a big downside for me

[@Anubis1101]

I reached out to support about it and they said it's "in progress". But yea that and albums for photos are my top requests.

[@joshuawaterhousify]

One thing I'm hoping comes soon for the Framework 16; a desk-based case for the mainboard. I'm not surprised it's not out yet, as they don't have a second generation of it yet, but being able to throw that into a case for a server or lower powered desktop after upgrading the laptop would be awesome. My long term plan with them is to, as I upgrade the laptop, print out a blade based chassis and use them as compute servers for different things. Not there yet, but one day.

[@MatthewHill]

Watching this on a... Framework 16.

[@ContantContact]

LOL, SAME HERE!

[@fredio54]

Thumbs up for proton sponsorship, legit company.

[@chosenArchitec]

"massive bezels at the top" 7:57 where? Do you want nose cameras again? ;D

[@marcelomafra]

On Fedora 41 Workstation (Gnome 47) scale-monitor-framebuffer and variable-refresh-rate are enabled by when installing from default ISO.

[@Grunfeld]

Good review. Nice balance of pros and cons. Thank you.

[@bertblankenstein3738]

I have a FW16, yes you can feel that it several parts, but it isn't a problem for me. I can't say I feel the touch pad sliding around. The laptop seems solid enough.

[@ciswhitememe]

I have mine for 6 months as of now with the GPU module and 64GB of ram. I also have a Llano laptop cooler (best laptop cooler on the market) for keeping the temps low when gaming. Not planning on switching my laptop any time soon.

[@StarlordStavanger]

i would hope you have no plans to switch its only been 6 months! A laptop should last you years and years!!!

[@ukaszpalczewski7588]

Thx for all the info :)

[@unusefulidiot]

The big selling point of this product is it modular design, so the review should not just look at repairability and a promise to an upgrade path but stuff i might do right now Are webcam and mic replaceable with something better? Can you (hot)swap different keyboards(en/jp)? Are there any 3rd party extension cards(zigbee)? (example questions, i googled the answers)

[@ContantContact]

Are webcam and mic replaceable with something better? > ALL parts are replaceable, but I do not know if anything better is available right now. I can say mine works fine. Can you (hot)swap different keyboards(en/jp)? > Yes, in under ONE minute. And hot. Same for the numpad. Are there any 3rd party extension cards(zigbee)? (example questions> Not Zigbee that I know of, but this laptop is pretty Open Source, so anyone can make whatever. I know someone was working on a cell-phone card. Do not know if it got completed.

[@unusefulidiot]

@@ContantContact Thanks, but didn't you read the "example questions, i googled the answers". My comment was intended as a constructive critique of the review :( Linus Tech Tips gave the FW16 webcam ten month ago the same "potato quality" score in their review, there is nothing better in the framework store(neither now nor then), but the old framework 13 webcam is upgrade to current potato quality

[@dallenbaldwin3484]

I really hope Framework releases "full" keyboard parts for the 16in. I bet lots of people would opt for a single part, or even 2 parts (one for the keys and one for the trackpad) with the "most common" layouts. Yes it's less configurable, but I also believe that for 90% or more of customers... they pre-optimized the keyboard modularity.

[@bluephreakr]

The keyboard can be _significantly_ stiffened up with a 3D-printed structure. Likely, an infill pattern with a base as a platform and raft to hold it down.

[@tomreingold4024]

Framework systems look great. I considered switching from a Macbook Pro to a Framework. But I've had an M2 Macbook Pro for 15 months. It's very energy efficient, and I hope Framework can build a system with an energy-efficient ARM processor. I think RISC is the future (again).

[@magnusgreel275]

...I mean I have a second-hand latitude... Hehe. It's a cool idea, and I'm glad they're working towards modular devices.

[@SeanClarke]

Framework won't sell me a laptop because they don't ship to Thailand.

[@Anubis1101]

Time to make a friend in taiwan

[@SeanClarke]

@@Anubis1101 Framework said having someone buy one and shipping it to a country where Framework is not available is not allowed.

[@Anubis1101]

@@SeanClarke yes, because its against international law to ship Lithium batteries without special arrangements. so you can either ship the laptop without the battery and work something out for that, or just meet them in person and bring it back with you.

[@SeanClarke]

@@Anubis1101 That's interesting. Thanks. I could easily fly to Taiwan and buy one there in that case.

[@bluephreakr]

Intel needs to make a Battlemage GPU for Framework. That would certainly help to give them some footing in the competitive space of GPUs, even if it is limited to Framework machines because of the competitive PPW it has compared to alternative offerings.

[@ronm6585]

Thank you.

[@maf_aka]

the charger located towards the middle on the side of the laptop doesn't look right... can't they just put a dedicated power plug (or maybe an entire modular component) at the back? 🤔

[@bsgamer5069]

I think the fan also should be modular too so that I could clean it.

[@StarlordStavanger]

merry early xmas nick!

[@TheLinuxEXP]

Thanks 😄

[@aragmor09]

The biggest downside of FW16 is the modular keyboard. I bought the Thinkpad T16 just because of that fact, and I would love to have the option to purchase a rock-solid, stable top cover with just a replaceable keyboard.

[@nvnstar]

2:25 until some GTK apps decided to use up the dgpu for no reason lol

[@Vegan_Touring_Cyclist]

Gigantic 20% VAT 😂 In Hungary the VAT is 27% ... In Sweden it is 25...

[@Vegan_Touring_Cyclist]

I am not trolling, I just really thought it was funny.

[@averdadeeumaso4003]

Yep in Finland it is 25,5%

[@PrograError]

They should have an aftermarket full sized keyboard and touchpad modules... (standard should still come with the individual ones)

[@nWestie]

I have a lenovo laptop currently, hinge broke off the screen side recently and when I took it to be repaired, multiple shops said they couldn't do it without replacing the screen for ~$500 US, which is like half the price of the new laptop. Just because of some crappy design on Lenovo's part that made it break in the first case and not simple to fix. The framework might be expensive up front, but if it breaks, parts are available at a good price and repairs are easy.

[@Mr_BetaMax]

Oof that keyboard flex though. Looks a little rough

[@r.g7261]

8:47 I was today years old when I realized that sudo accepts fingerprint as an authentication method

[@ContantContact]

Yes, I got mine configured with fingerprint soon after I received it.

[@rimbaud0000]

Nice balanced review

[@evanjrowley]

I want one for my next laptop, but I don't have the budget for one at the moment. The dGPU can be swapped with the recently released expansion bay featuring dual M.2 SSDs. With that storage and support for 96GB of RAM, it could replace my Proxmox host. 😆

[@pinchofdoom]

I wonder if putting a small amount of double sided tape under the modules once you have them where you want them to be would stop the wiggle/play in the modules. Enough so they are still removable of course.

[@SuperFx89]

It looks nice. Just make sure you don't drop it if you don't want to pick up all the different modules off the floor.

[@adziak]

With arm based snapdragon chips framework laptop would make more sense but on the other hand there is still lack of support for many apps and programs.

[@lindseylinck]

Seeing an amazing that i cannot have without leaving my home-country, this is weird a mix of feelings. The joy of seeing something very nice, mixed with the disgust of being born in a place that forbids the importation of that great laptop - "to protect" the worthless local industry. Another sad day to be a brazilian.

[@paladingeorge6098]

As someone who is watching this video on my Framework 16, I will say that it is definitely the best Linux machine I have used. My custom built desktop (which has Nvidia graphics) got demoted to just a gaming machine while the Framework 16 is now my main machine. I have had some small issues that may or may not be dependent on the laptop or the version of Ubuntu I am using (24.04). For starters, sometime when I turn on the machine the touchpad doesn't work. This requires me to restart the laptop again to get it to come back. I think this is an issue with Ubuntu 24.04 because it doesn't seem to happen if I boot to Fedora, but I don't want to use Fedora because it just doesn't feel as smooth as Ubuntu on the laptop to me. Secondly, I have noticed an issue that seems to trigger when the laptop lid is closed and its been on battery for a while where the CPU clock speeds drop down tremendously and even after being plugged back in won't return to normal speeds until a reboot. I haven't had this happen to me while using the laptop normally on battery and its not a cooling issue. Lastly, when I first initially got my DIY kit the input modules did not work at all. However, with a little bit of intuition I figured out quickly that the ribbon connector for the input module daughter board was not seated correctly on the underside of the cover plate. It doesn't bother me since it didn't take long for me to figure it out however I think its worth noting. I also got mine DIY with the RX 7700S, R7 7840HS, 32GB RAM, and a 1TB SSD. After configuring everything to my liking, the price was just shy of $2100. This is absolutely the most expensive laptop I have ever bought and I think that price would be a sticking point for most people for the level of performance you are getting. However, you get what you pay for. I don't need to repeat the aforementioned reasons why someone would buy this laptop, but I can at least attest to the fact I have already dropped it once from couch height and it landed squarely on my USB wireless headset dongle. The force of the drop was enough to wrench the USB Type A expansion card out of its slot but surprisingly nothing was broken. The expansion card and my dongle were the only things that got damaged but both still work and no damage to the laptop body or the locking mechanism for the expansion cards occurred.

[@frankhuurman3955]

20% VAT seems to be quite the average in the EU, NL is at 21% and imagine being in Hungary with 27% o.O

[@forestgiest1380]

11:04 WHAT??? The RX 7900XTX out benches a 4090 in DaVinci resolve on every test I've ever seen. I've never heard of this before.

[@dominikheinz2297]

how well does palm rejection on the touchpad work with the framework on linux?

[@aaardvaaark]

I'm wondering if the modularity causing things to shift around a bit can be solved by some duct tape and/or double sided tape? It might look ugly but that wouldn't bother me personally, as long as the thing works properly and feels nice to use.

[@compsciwins-p4d]

I was trying to decide between the fw or system 76 to buy as my main workstation laptop. I really enjoyed it it made think even more with which I should go for. Really enjoyed the video.

[@Ramotttholl]

IF i get another laptop as a secondary, its going to be a Framework one. But i been considering getting a Tablet-Hybrid (like a Surface Pro or Dell XPS 13 2-in-1) instead for Photo-editing via touch screen. as i noticed i really dont wanna use my main gaming rig for photoediting partially because i run Linux on it and halve my prefered photo-Editing tools dont work on it. and all i do with my current secondary all i do is just browsering stuff like youtube and anime. Wish they made a repairable 2 in 1 that way i wouldnt be stuck in choice hell.

[@blackandcold]

Austria: 20% VAT - feel you

[@anonymoususerinterface]

Man, I just wish framework had coreboot. I am going to have to stick with Nova and Sys76

[@ChrispyNut]

There have been some odd pronunciations on this channel, understandably, but spelling out ROCm rather than saying rock 'em, that caught my attention and had to think for a sec :D

[@9a3eedi]

It's a real shame that they couldn't figure out how to make an RJ45 expansion moduel that doesn't stick out. I've seen laptops that were able to fit an RJ45 into a compact laptop by making the connector expand. Wish they could do something like that.

[@safsaf99]

I've alwaysed liked the Framework concept, but they need a better mechanism to hold the modules in place

[@JuanCAraujoS]

What about a tutorial on how to run DaVinci Resolve with an AMD GPU on Linux?

[@HandballerBL]

2 video ideas: - Hot takes for Linux 2025 - Do a survey what distributions TLE followers are using and compare it next year again

[@KyleNorris-s8y]

Can you put the num pad next to the trackpad?

[@reiuji_utsuho]

Did you try out using RustiCL instead of Rocm for DaVinci Resolve?

[@kaz49]

I was fully expecting to hear crab rave in the speaker test and was confused when it was a different song I've been watching too much LTT lol

[@RogueRen]

Funnily I have the opposite experience with Resolve on AMD. Native never worked but Davincibox did lol.

[@peter5leconte]

I got a framework 16 for work. I had immense LCD bleed with yellowing and the bezel pinched my screen. The fans also made a sound as if it's a harddrive. Looking online these weren't rare issues either. QA seems to be problem with how many people seem to RMA. There were some driver issues on Linux as well but not specific to framework. I returned it as I didn't want to take the risk yet for work. It felt a bit too first gen for me atm. I wish them luck though. I wouldn't recommend it to people that wouldn't wanna deal with such issues just yet.

[@ContantContact]

I have had mine since May 1st, and seen none of these issues.

[@jakob1379]

So you use ansible or similar to setup your machines?

[@iPard2]

Are the keys on the keyboard back-lit?

[@jahanson]

16:06 favorite part haha

[@francootaola9172]

what in my opinion should framework make, is 2 or 3 versions of the complete keyboard in one piece as the 13inch version. people don't want to change it so frequently

[@johnnyblue4799]

Any of the laptops you review/use have battery management, like my old Thinkpad T510? I really miss this feature in laptops, since I keep them plugged most of the time.

[@xgui4-studios]

and it is the old win10 logo

[@betapacket]

Why is there a Windows icon on the Super / Meta key 💀

[@batubircan3457]

Hellooo, can you make a video about how to use something similar like GoodbyeDPI in linux?

[@tulsatrash]

A good 10 key ( numpad) makes a laptop keyboard so much prettier to me.

[@lingondraken]

Yeah I am not convinced by all that keyboard customization, it may just be a bit too much sacrifice to the solid feeling for what it gives you.

[@chrisdejonge611]

There is a dual NVME module that can swap in place of the GPU for the framework 16!