The AMD Framework Laptop 13 is a dream with Linux!

[@TheLinuxEXP]

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[@mal-avcisi9783]

This is the worst notebook I have used in my entire life. It's just junk. I tested it and I was so dissatisfied I threw it out the window

[@mal-avcisi9783]

This is not a review you are doing here, but rather advertising. As if the notebook has no weaknesses at all. Can you also address weaknesses? What's wrong with you?

[@Duckly97]

Framework 2 years ago: We're not _officially_ supporting Linux, but we won't make it a pain Framework now: We added a Super key, mock Windows on social media and send one to every Linux KZbinr

[@joe-skeen]

I mean, honestly the target demographic for their product is way more likely to be familiar with, if not comfortable with Linux...

[@eduardoroth8207]

not making it a pain/not getting in its way is more than enough linux "support"

[@testsnake]

Framework has officially supported ubuntu and fedora since at least April 2022

[@D4no00]

windows has nothing to sell anymore, their new updates only add more spyware on your system while still having the same issues they never fixed since windows xp (cough cough getting to desktop while a game runs in fullscreen mode, still a thing that doesn't work on windows 11). Linux desktop arrived at the stability of windows these days and has all the critical software, namely a browser and things like telegram, watsapp. If they manage to make games support officially linux, then that will be game-over for windows, as that is the only relevant use-case these days.

[@eduardoroth8207]

@@D4no00 no need for games to have linux builds either, the translation layers are good enough, the problem is stuff like anti-cheats that don't work, either intentionally or not, on proton/wine

[@Cyco_Nix]

I have a lot of respect for Framework. I do not own one of their laptops at this time, but they are on the short list when I need to purchase a new one.

[@LarixusSnydes]

For me too, but I'd like 6 ports at least and yes: I *do* use these simultaneously. It would also pair very well with my Fairphone.

[@trayvibez399]

​@@LarixusSnydes usb c hub

[@jackwoodhead]

​@@LarixusSnydesYou probably already know this but their larger laptop has 6 ports exactly (though one of them is lost if you want a 3.5mm jack).

[@LarixusSnydes]

​@@jackwoodheadYes, I do and I do want the 3,5mm jack. To be fair, when I'm on the move I only need a USB-A port for my RF-mouse and a micro-SD card reader. At home I can easily use a port replicator.

[@Parker8752]

@@LarixusSnydes They've got a 16" model that has six ports (in addition to the mentioned optional gpu).

[@savagepro9060]

The AMD Framework Laptop 13 without sacrificing an ARM or a leg!

[@taliaflor]

Ba dum tsss

[@gigalodon14]

Its also not particularly RISC-Y

[@kab43]

ba dum tss x2

[@drlukewhite]

Ah, it's the way you In-tel 'em!

[@TwoDpads]

Ba dum tsss x3

[@piercewang6077]

Let's go!! Framework and AMD was a dream. Now it's a reality 💪

[@taylormanning2709]

Truly. This is the machine I have been waiting for. I was bummed when framework was exclusively selling intel laptops, but had yet to find an amd manufacturer that matched the ethos and affordability of framework.

[@pyepye-io4vu]

Now we need RISCV!

[@giomjava]

Two things: Framework has ALREADY kept their promise and release several generations of updated mainboards, display, mic/webcam, chassis, etc. Perhaps worthwhile to mention that they already have a good track record.

[@bennypr0fane]

So the crappy mic and webcam can be replaced by decent parts?

[@giomjava]

@bennypr0fane they are slowly releasing webcam+mic upgrade, but I haven't been able to get my hands on it yet. People say it's better, but I am yet to see a good comparison

[@Nelo390]

@@bennypr0fane They released a second version with a new webcam sensor.

[@YLprime]

@@bennypr0faneWhy cares about mic and webcam so much on a laptop?

[@YLprime]

@@dolurosubecause it’s simply not important, almost every laptop has a bad webcam and mic. And seriously how often do we use them? If u want a good quality webcam and mic then get a good quality webcam and mic. Why do u have to battle the laptop for there features that no one cares about when there is a dozen more important features to look at?

[@erickleefeld4883]

Those “hot-swappable” ports are simply USB-C dongles, in a specialized form factor! Pretty clever design, really, turning dongle life from a hassle into a fully integrated user experience.

[@mrcvry]

And just remove them if you need another usb-c! 👍

[@erickleefeld4883]

@@mrcvry You’re really not supposed to use the USB-C ports on the motherboard directly, because the pressures of insertion/removal could cause problems. On laptops you go out and buy, the outward facing port is on a small ribbon to the motherboard, both to absorb the physical shocks and so it could be replaced (yes, even from Apple). The direct USB-C modules for the Framework serve a similar purpose.

[@mrcvry]

@ ok!

[@DryPaperHammerBro]

​@@erickleefeld4883Iirc, they sell USB C pass through modules

[@NiyaKouya]

@@erickleefeld4883 Sadly not all laptop manufactures follow that rule. I recently learned at work that the main charging/docking USB-C port of the Lenovo X1 Carbon G8 is directly soldered to the mainboard, so if you wreck that port the whole MB has to be swapped... But yeah, I guess Framework really avoids issues like that with the modules since they are guided to always slot in correctly which should minimize stress for the "internal" USB-C ports.

[@Pumpkinwaffle]

For those on the fence, I have a gen2 framework that I've been using daily for the past 3 years. They're very good machines. Since then acorss their releases: the battery, hinges, screen, speakers and webcam modules have been updated, besides the mainboard. To know that I can upgrade individually any of those components as I need is simply a dream come true. And a huge win for sustainability. The device is well made and very functional, I've been very happy with it myself. Also worth noting the screen bein 2/3 gets you a little extra height for the same 13inch size in width, which is nice for text, websites and some productivity apps.

[@qwesx]

Can't wait for them to offer a touch screen at some point so than I can actually put them into consideration when buying laptops!

[@bennypr0fane]

If the webcan/mic has been updated, but they're this terrible quality shown in the video, then I find it disappointing. Or can you actually get better ones than the ootb parts?

[@Pumpkinwaffle]

@@bennypr0fane The unit doesn't seem to be using the new microphone / camera board as the video quality is average indeed. Same on my unit, it's enough for people to see my face, that's as far as it goes. Regarding Mic quality I have not had any issues or heard anyone on calls complain about mic quality. Shame this review doesn't have a sample audio test recorded. Dunno why framework didn't send a unit with the new screen and camera installed, seems counter intuitive to me. Correction, the mic doesn't seem different, only the camera is upgraded. You can see sample tests at the end of this video. It's deccent but nothing stellar indeed. kzbin.info/www/bejne/oWekpHyndtKjm7M

[@bennypr0fane]

@@Pumpkinwaffle I'm getting a bit confused if you're talking about the unit reviewed by Nick or your own. I think calling the video quality demonstrated here average is putting it nicely - and more so considering the price. So you're saying there's a more recent, better cam/mic released by Framework that didn't make it into this build?

[@Pumpkinwaffle]

@@bennypr0fane I would guess so considering he got the 1080 screen instead of the upgraded one. Just watch the end of the video I linked, you'll see a comparison between old and new camera modules. around 19min mark It's up to you where you see value or not, no machine is perfect, this one isn't either. The tradeoffs here are for the sake of upgradeability and repairability. If those are not priorities for you, you will indeed get better specs for the same price on non repairable laptops. Depends on the use case. Mic and camera are average, like any laptop that's not a macbook pretty much. Was not a dealbreaker for me based on my needs. Depends what your needs are on your end. To me personally the device is worth it and I think I will recup the premium I paid when I upgrade and get a new motherboard instead of having to buy a whole laptop. But granted that's not to everyone's tastes. For eco friendly / sustainable laptops there are only so many options, and framework is the best one currently, swapping out a mainboard and keeping old functional components is about as good as it get to limit e-waste. (oh and motherboard is designed to work standalone outside the laptop, so can create a smart TV or whatever out of your old mainboards.)

[@0hN0es203]

Love my AMD framework 13. Fedora 41 KDE plasma works like a dream on it.

[@bobowon5450]

The framework laptop makes me wish i had a reason to own a laptop.

[@shadowseek27]

The only reason you need is that you want one... actually afford it on the other hand, I'm with you there

[@alexcerzea]

Same dude, I'm not a person that had a good experience with laptop on the past Heat+bad battery+using the igpu instead of dedicated one made me a no go for laptops in general, maybe I can give framework a shot if the time comes by

[@ArifGhostwriter]

And then there's me - super impressed with the Raspberry Pi 5 as my main desktop computer!

[@bobowon5450]

@@ArifGhostwriter I tried once but I kept running into issues where websites wouldn't load properly on any browser i could get to run on it. like it kept loading the mobile version of everything and then not working right

[@hyperspeed1313]

Something to think about when considering the price of a Framework: it’s competing with business grade semi-repairable laptops like Dell Latitudes and HP EliteBooks, not consumer laptops. Those business laptops are priced a lot more similarly to Framework’s devices, but without the upgradeability path.

[@altbinhax]

Thanks, that's an excellent point. I'm keen on the upgrade path over time, but I'm also aware that a mainboard+CPU will entail new memory and storage. But other components like battery, wi-fi, etc can be upgraded, and being able to adapt various expansion ports for video, USB, etc is nice. Not having to replace the whole unit is a significant difference. Now imagine an organisation that doesn't have to totally replace every device every two, three or four years, but can cycle through an upgrade process.

[@jannikmeissner]

One note on price: you can bring your own SSD and NVMe, which brings down the price a good bit; On top of that, if you compare with something like a Lenovo T or X series, Dell XPS or Apple MacBook, suddenly it is cheap for the price

[@boringsmath]

Absolutely. I bought it with 2*32 gb ram Kingston fury impact and 2TB ssd for hynix Gold. The ram and ssd upgrade are really compatible and much more cheaper than apple macbook air🤡.

[@Nope-gu3ph]

The mini-breakdown and rush of frustration on people saying you installed Windows to fake benchmarks is beautiful.

[@peterjackson6228]

Earlier this year I bought one of these for my children, knowing that if they did anything to it, I'd be able to get parts and fix it. Super impressed with what Framework have done! So much so, I bought myself one! Yes, it is a compromise from a hardware perspective; but that's a good tradeoff for upgradability! Oh and the excellent Linux distro support (yeah the Windows support is good too). I like the idea that when I want to upgrade the motherboard, there are 3rd party cases to mount the motherboard into, superb!

[@scottrabinow2773]

@peterjackson6228 Yes, the upgrade-ability is for real. My personal 2021 FW13 has been upgraded from the original 11th gen Intel mainboard to the Ultra Series 1 mainboard, and the 11th gen mainboard went into one of the Cooler Master cases, resulting in a second very portable computer!

[@phfn08]

About the Price: You can buy storage and RAM yourself. If you take a look at a price comparison site you can easy safe 100-200€. So the gap gets a bit closer

[@frankhuurman3955]

still way pricey though in comparison to others with better specs

[@mllarson]

That's what I did

[@Parker8752]

@@frankhuurman3955 True; the real problem here is that they're still a relatively small company that isn't yet able to take advantage of economies of scale the way companies like Acer can. It's less the cost of the parts, more the cost of assembly because the fewer machines you can build at once, the more expensive each individual one becomes to build - and even the DIY kits have to be fully assembled in order to test them and make sure they actually work before then disassembling them for use as kits.

[@Ebalosus]

@@frankhuurman3955 better specs in a crappy body with repair parts that are "what repair parts? Lmao!" I know this for a fact because I groan whenever someone brings in an ASUS or Acer for hardware repairs.

[@miguelcanais]

​@@Ebalosus The price is still unacceptable. For the same price I got an asus with better cpu, better build quality, better screen, better battery life. Being "repairable" is not an excuse to overprice your products

[@cristinelcostachescu9585]

9:46 "Do you know how long it takes to install Windows, with all the stupid screens and bypassing the account creation stuff?!! No one has time for that!" Wow, I have seen Windows being insulted in every way, but this one really tops them all! (I agree too) Nice review, I was wondering when you'd make one for the Framework laptops! I wouldn't be surprised if you managed to get sponsorships from them :)

[@Parker8752]

yeah; last time I installed windows on a machine I'd just built, it literally took days due to all the updates that needed downloading, installing, and separately rebooting from.

[@under6075]

@@Parker8752 days?

[@Parker8752]

@@under6075 yes, days. Admittedly, this was back towards the end of the windows 7 life cycle, but back then every update was sequential, so you had to download the updates, install them, and reboot before repeating for the next batch of updates, rinse and repeat until all the updates are installed. On a 1mbps connection, this took two whole days. Edit: I don’t know if windows updates are still sequential, but thankfully internet speeds are at least faster. Still, installing arch and getting it set up as I wanted it took me maybe two hours tops.

[@under6075]

@@Parker8752 Oh ok and I'm pretty sure Windows updates are not sequential anymore

[@LordTrashcanRulez]

Installing Windows 11 takes more time than even installing Arch from scratch, and you end up with a lot of telemetry, spyware, bloatware, etc.

[@cameronbosch1213]

My purple bezeled Framework Laptop 16 has been better on Linux than any of my Windows laptops have been on Linux. The fingerprint sensor works, the system has offical Ubuntu and Fedora support, and it's much better in terms of build quality and screen quality and aspect ratio than Linux-first laptops. And it has US ANSI keyboard layouts, unlike Tuxedo and Slimbook at the time.

[@cameronbosch1213]

Also, the expansion card system isn't the _only_ reason to buy a Framework Laptop, the official Linux support, right to repair focused design, and another level of upgradability are all reasons as well.

[@StartlingScorer]

I am using the AMD Framework already for a year now with Arch Linux + Gnome and I am more than happy! (switched from a MacBook Pro M1)

[@accidentalibi]

Any issues setting up fingerprint scanner in Arch?

[@StartlingScorer]

No everything works fine. I just had to learn which packages to install and how to configure fingerprint in the terminal. But now it's exactly like in fedora :) the arch wiki was helpful

[@AzureSoukyuu]

no issues here as well. it's basically just fprintd and some pam edits to get it to work everywhere. arch plasma wayland and sddm here

[@tommi531]

You use arch btw.

[@FedJimSmith]

how about Arch+KDE?

[@notjulesatall]

14:10 you forgot to mention the camera is replaceable with a new module 🤓

[@Mudflap1110]

Love the entire prospect. I'm completely broke and running over 20 years old thinkpad (s) with debian, Linux mint, and freebsd.

[@hyperspeed1313]

The customizable ports are only one of the two major selling points of this laptop. The other is that literally every component has replacement parts available and even inter-generation upgrade options (i.e. display, webcam, cpu/mainboard package)

[@FranciscoCostaHideOut]

Watching this in an AMD Framework 13, Ubuntu 24.10 :) Totally pleased! Finally they started selling in Portugal and that was the trigger for me.

[@Its-Just-Zip]

That fingerprint reader works out of the box because myself and a bunch of other people on the 13th gen Intel one ran into an issue with their new rendition and they started flashing the new firmware on those fingerprint readers before they leave the factory. To get mine working, I had to load up a Windows VM, pass through the fingerprint reader, and update the firmware. They fixed that problem now. Fedora 41 was a massive upgrade for these laptops because switching from the power profiles daemon to the Red Hat-tuned service got me about two extra hours of runtime just for changing my power management service.

[@GSBarlev]

o7 Thank you for your service!

[@edfromnc7660]

I got my DIY Framework AMD 13 almost a year ago and installed Linux Mint on it. I had to get the OEM kernel to get the video resolution correct, but by the time Mint 21.3, I just use the release kernel now. I haven't installed Linux on a new computer (as opposed to reviving an old computer for testing) as the only OS before this and I haven't looked back. I love the user repairable of the Framework and this offsets the higher cost as I can repair if needed or upgrade without tossing whole thing.

[@buildyear86]

I dont quite understand: does it work with linux mint cinnamon ? What exaxtly dies not work?

[@edfromnc7660]

@@buildyear86 Most everything I've tried works on the first go around. The fingerprint scanner took some command line magic (I found what I needed in the Framework info). I don't think there is any problems with Cinnamon desktop, I just started using XFCE on my older machines since it has a lower resource requirements and I kind of like the way it works.

[@buildyear86]

Got it! Thank you! Helps a lot!

[@Deinorius]

My perfect dream Framework laptop will be, when they release a keyboard with included TrackPoint device! That would be an instant buy! Oh, and arrow keys like those on the Framework 16, and I'm even happier.

[@under6075]

So you basically want it to be a ThinkPad?

[@Deinorius]

@under6075 I would be fine with a ThinkPad but then I couldn't change the mainboard, if I want to upgrade and had to buy a whole new laptop. I wouldn't have the same flexibility with the ports. A Framework might even be a bit cheaper, especially over time, if upgradability persists. So, there are differences.

[@L-uu7fq]

I think one thing they did that was super cool was making a usb-c motherboard module that is a 1tb ssd. I use it as a dedicated back-up via Dejadup. I never have to manually plug in my external drive to my laptop all the time now to back it up. It also allows people the flexibility of being able to have a spare 'computer' on them at all times if they so wish to install an OS on the 1tb module.

[@andreasn455]

Sorry but I disagree completly with your take that frameworks are more expensive than other laptops. The Ryzen 7 has a big price increase compared to the ryzen 5. I bought the framework 13 with ryzen 5 7640u and 64gb RAM and 2tb SSD for 1300 Euro (vat included) . Show me any laptop with a ryzen 5 zen 4 cpu or better, a good keyboard, a good aspect ratio and quality screen with 64gb RAM and 2tb SSD for 1300. The competition is not cheaper. You save so much money by buying the ram and ssd yourself. Compare that to the soldered Ram of the competition that charges way more.

[@justsomeonepassingby3838]

But is it cheaper than a refurbished thinkpad ? That's the reason why i can't afford a framework with a 300€ budget. But now that i have spare parts (ram, ssd and wifi) i should be able to buy a framework soon

[@beefchalupa]

This isn't up for debate. It just is more expensive. Maybe you are making the mistake of looking at the MSRP of other laptops? Other laptops are almost never sold at MSRP, there are always great sales. To say that framework laptops are not more expensive is disingenuous and requires a lot of mental gymnastics. And I say that as the owner of one.

[@jonathanrealman8415]

I was just waiting for a 2024 review of the Framework, creepy

[@JollyDigitalServices]

The price is definitely a problem for a lot of people, but the design concept is one that more manufacturers should adopt.

[@michaelarighi5268]

I've been running the Intel version of the Laptop 13 for about 16 months with Debian 12, which was not officially supported, but works fine. I've had zero problems traceable to the hardware. Did have a weird glitch of it not recognizing a pair of off-brand Bluetooth headphones in Debian 12, but a recent update of Blueman fixed that completely.

[@GabrieleTurelli]

Be careful about the placement of the usb-c ports. In the configuration you did in the video it uses way more battery power. They have a guide on their website for this

[@rvmiv_]

Love my Framework 16 and I treat it like a gaming laptop with Bazzite I had to replace the fan because it died (over exposure to cat hair) and it was quick and easy, any other laptop would not be easily recoverable

[@skorp5677]

Overexposure to cat hair is my new favourite reason for failure. "Couldn't do the chores duet o overexposure to cat hair" xD

[@PremierPrep]

LOVE to see Framework's support of Linux!

[@JustBCWi]

I've been driving Framework 13 for about six months. Apart from the occasional Black SOD, love it. I upgraded the screen when it was available. I ran Linux from 99-09, then switched to Apple because "I got lazy." But Apple's market behavior persuaded me to return. Framework made the transition painless.

[@gigalodon14]

The thing woth Framework is that the base price is rather hefty but if you want a lot of storage and RAM the DIY edition is actually pretty worthwhile. Also its a lot easier and cheaper to fix if something fails

[@GeorgeKaranikos]

Thanks mate. Good video. I'm sure others have commented similarly, but it's not just upgrading in 5 years. It's also if I happen to break the screen I can replace it. If I spill water on it, I can replace the motherboard for instance. I see the premium as paying a little bit of insurance. Let's also not forget that you can take the motherboard out and plug it into an external case and use it for whatever project you like. Say a media centre . Definitely a premium but in my opinion it's worth it

[@frustratedalien666]

I own two Framework 13 laptops. The first one was from the first batch of their very first shipment, which I've now upgraded to AMD and the old motherboard is on server duty these days. Very pleased with the whole experience

[@Beryesa.]

Forget the Apple event, we got Framework over TLE Let's gooooo!

[@savagepro9060]

Just upgraded Fedora 40 to 41! Yesss!

[@questionlp]

Earlier this year, I was looking for a laptop to switch away from macOS to Linux and both the Framework Laptop 16 and the ThinkPad P1 Gen 6 were my top two picks. I opted for the Framework due to the modularity, official support for Fedora, upgradeability and repairability... plus the DIY version was cheaper, since the P1 isn't available without Windows and its tax. I didn't get the GPU expansion bay since I don't game on my laptop and I don't need GPU power for anything else.

[@GSBarlev]

This is my work laptop. It's running elementaryOS 7. I've taken it to a conference. I've presented from it, both in person and over video calls. I do software development from it. I use it to remote into other systems and to manage cloud infra. It's perfect. Completely stable, literally everything worked OOTB. This is in stark contrast to my _last_ work laptop, an HP running Windows, and the one before that, a Macbook Pro. Both were a pain to install software onto, with both I needed to jump through hoops to develop and run data science workflows, and while both cost more than the Framework, neither was nearly as capable of running analyses locally.

[@michelfug]

As a proud framework owner I'm happy to see your take on the laptop!

[@TheTOBroShow]

As always, great video with information to aid my computing choices

[@jaumesinglavalls5486]

you forget, in case that you change the internals, you can buy (and 3D print) a case for puting the old motherboard and us it as a desktop computer . (I've got mine for 2 years already, I think it's a really good computer)

[@Ben79k]

ive really wanted one of these laptops for a long time but its hard to justify the price when my current laptop still works fine. great review.

[@tobilinz_]

I‘ll buy a Framework laptop the moment they release a touch screen and a pen for it. I am sick of my IPad.

[@DJDocsVideos]

you could probably do that yourself... they use standart display components. There's also a marketplace so maybe check there if there's already a 3ed party selling what you need.

[@eufrozinak9461]

​@@DJDocsVideos the touchscreen is the smaller problem, we need a 360° hinge too

[@accidentalibi]

100%! The touchscreen is the option I wait for as well. However, both of us don't have to wait. It's the Framework, remember? You can buy a touchscreen separately once it's available.

[@jackwoodhead]

A touchscreen is the sole reason my friend who also uses an iPad can't get a Framework. Here's to hoping that they can find a compatible touchscreen for the device like they found the high end screen upgrade.

[@jakebenson4187]

Big minus that it probably has is that it doesn't have a AC passthough feature.

[@tulsatrash]

Love my framework 16. Looking forward to upgrading the GPU later.

[@KingKrouch]

I'll buy a Framework laptop once they got a black or gunmetal variant, and a mechanical switch keyboard. I really like what they're doing for forward compatibility, repair, and upgrades. I feel like most laptop keyboards are mushy and terrible to type on, but I really like the mechanical keyboard (Which they partnered with Cherry to make) on my Alienware laptop. This wouldn't be bad to use on Linux if fan control support and RGB support was basically barebones or non-existent for recent AW hardware.

[@Nelo390]

They've stated that they do not like dyed annodization due to the pretty bad waste it causes. I don't think mechanical keyboards will ever be first party available from framework, but I've seen a few projects in the forums!

[@rishabhkrm]

wow the concept of this laptop is so awesome, u get what you want.

[@bennypr0fane]

Awesome video (even though, something's wrong with the audio...)! Well what do you know, I complain about fingerprint readers missing from Linux laptops, and presto! there's a fully working one on the next laptop presented by Nick! 😂(if we count Framework as a "Linux first-OEM", which at this point, I find justified!) It would be super interesting to know in this context if Framework made a conscious decision to ignore the current security problems that Tuxedo cites as their reason for not including fingerprint readers, OR if they're trying to remedy the problem, maybe by contributing to the library? Or trying something new, hardware-wise?

[@nikodunk]

I’ve been using the Intel version for 3 years now. Super solid laptop. I run Fedora on it, too!

[@dragonfly-7]

Well ... as soon as I need to replace my current Fujitsu notebook (2.5 yrs at this time) the framework approach is something I'll take into consideration for sure. As you emphasized already if they keep thier promise it might be a sustainable choice ! On the question of connectability: I for my own run my notebook using a USB mini dock with both LAN and HDMI at home and without these things when I'm abroad. Works very well for me. And it should work with the framework notebooks as well.

[@dsouth7754]

I bought the AMD Framework 13 last month! My 2015 Macbook Pro was in spicy pillow territory, and I was determined that my next laptop would be a Linux powered Framework. No regrets!

[@FinaISpartan]

Also worth nothing that the AMD Framework 13 has experimental support for Coreboot, with full support on the horizon. Big selling point for FOSS enthusiasts.

[@intrinsica]

My Framework16 laptop arrived about 4 months ago, and I absolutely love it! The only thing I would do differently is instead of getting the LED matrix modules, I would go for the macropad module. The LED matrix modules don't really do much other than make it look pretty, and they are a bit difficult to configure in Linux.

[@bobbyhinner3225]

If I needed a new laptop, I'd get a framework. I just don't need a new one right now, my current ones work just fine.

[@Anuj_Tomar]

Good that we are having more linux laptops, looking forward to it, got a used dell latitude 7390 for around 300 usd , core i7 8th gen, similar bezels as on this framework 13 and it is running fedora 40 flawlessly

[@misterweise]

We are not surprised that Fedora will work. In such devices - sharpened for Linux - you need to try to run Trisquel. Or something similar.

[@Watchandlearn91]

If Framework comes out with a haptic touchpad, i'll buy one immediately. I really just can't go back after using macbooks for so long.

[@oaksaint4458]

Wish I could get a framework in Brazil, sadly we live in the dark ages when it comes to tech here. Glad to see the their products are good! I hope upgradeable laptops become more common.

[@Parker8752]

That's the main reason I really wanted a Framework laptop (and was finally able to get hold of one a few months ago) - so long as Framework don't go out of business, and they don't seem to be in any danger of that, this will probably be the last new laptop I ever buy for myself (unless I end up getting one of the 16" models in the future for the fact it can have a GPU).

[@gljames24]

Waiting for LPCAMM2 to either come to System76 or Framework before I upgrade.

[@Ebalosus]

Ditto, and the fact that they aren't available (officially) here in NZ yet.

[@justliberty4072]

I wish these were actually available when I needed a laptop last year.

[@michadybczak4862]

I was considering Framework, but the price just killed me. I would have to pay twice as much as for Tuxedo laptop and still have less in terms of hardware plus repability and upgradeability. As much I love and support the idea, it was out of my price range and Tuxedo won.

[@frankhuurman3955]

I did the same but not really pleased with the infinitybook pro, thinking about returning it and getting a fw instead

[@chic_luke]

The 13 is a very nice machine, but I wish I had the same smooth experience with the 16. Many support tickets, and I am now getting several graphical artifacts and screen flickering. It does look like the 13 is a fully ready and refined product for now, but the 16 needs time in the oven still

[@cameronbosch1213]

Wdym? Mine works just fine. Although I'm getting a bit impatient for a better dGPU, especially since Nvidia wants nothing to do with Framework and AMD lacks anything that is more powerful.

[@Matrox473]

I had this latop for about 2 months, i was hesitant because of the price but after buying it and getting it 5 day later (from Taïwan, its insanely fast) i am satisfied. The only grudge i have with it is the >> absolute garbage default display

[@pipeliner8969]

this might be my next laptop

[@autohmae]

A laptop that doesn't have coreboot, but you can replace the mainboard with a RISC-V developer mainboard, which is really cool !

[@th3Tyk3]

I've been running Arch on my AMD Framework for a year now and it's just a joy. If they keep on the good work they will be my goto brand in the future (as long as my case is still fine and I just need to upgrade the board that's a no brainer anyway).

[@farhanrejwan]

5 mins in the video, and you already got my like! great video.

[@AlfredNobel-u1u]

RISC-V is the future!

[@DJDocsVideos]

the FAR future. There fixed it for you. Posted from my HiFive P550.

[@AlfredNobel-u1u]

@@DJDocsVideos The far future IS the future.

[@TheComputadude]

For the embedded world absolutely.

[@AlfredNobel-u1u]

@@TheComputadude No. Risc-v is currently popular in the embedded world only because it is brand new and the easiest way to start playing with a new cpu architecture is through embedded. It does not mean that it's just an embedded thing.

[@Nelo390]

@@AlfredNobel-u1u why not both worlds? ;P

[@microcolonel]

In '21 I got a Framework Laptop 13 with 11th gen Intel, it's worked great the whole time, and I've been upgrading this and that since then, no problem. I think i'll go for a ryzen 7000 board next.

[@adndot]

i have the amd framework and it's a truly dream. running fedora 40 (will soon update to 41), i haven't had any heardware issues! (some stuff does like to break tho lol)

[@ericdanielski4802]

Nice review.

[@Junky1425]

Maybe for other watcher who wants to buy one, i can recommend to buy the DIY version without RAM and Storage, because for me i saved there 100€ and both the same RAM and Storage, with same i mean really the same product for half the price on amazon. So here is a some potential to save money! I both the 12gen Intel (2gen Framework) with that saving and linux didn't worked out of the box with kubuntu 20.04 and 22.04 (will try now 24.10) only the fingerprint sensor made some problems but on Windows it was a bit more complicated because you need to download first a driver package and install. Maybe in 2-3 years i can buy a new Mainboard with RAM and Storage to have it easy and cheaper then a complete new device

[@boringsmath]

I recently buy a framework Laptop 13 invh with AMD 7840 u with higher resolution. Actually you can cut the cost by buying third party ram and ssd and even use my original apple 68watt charging brick. It runs very smoothly and battery life is very competitive with MacBook air m2 . Install windows on my new laptop cost me 2 hours🤡 very annoying and despite very hard for me to change the wifi card, It runs very smooth with a lot of repairability in the future. BTW the first thing to do in windows 11 is to uninstall copilot😂 It’s really good that the keyboard is provided without copilot button🤡.

[@NachiketVartak]

The thing is, no one can predict where technology will go in 5 years. I'd probably want a new laptop at that point anyway. And I can't depend on hope that Framework will update their components appropriately.

[@IgorEngelen1974]

really like this approach.

[@EstelonAgarwaen]

My brothers framework 13 and my macbook air are quite different, but both are very solid computers.

[@lsdowdle]

That CPU can chew through AV1 encoding like a champ by the way. I have a different brand laptop but with the same CPU... and I can usual get 150-200 FPS on 1080p video re-encoding to av1/opus.

[@satav5805]

I have an 8 year old HP envy that is still doing what I need it to, and when I need to upgrade it will probably be a framework but I need to be able to feel the keyboard before I can concretely say it will be a framework for sure

[@BytebroUK]

Keep it keep it. Then in say, three years time, you could try and get I don't know, motherboard upgrade, or Thunderbolt plug-in or whatever is new and hard-to-find at the time. Let us all see if that adventure worked?

[@LuuppiChan]

Oh hey! That's the same laptop I have. (With different parts of course) Also I use that with Davinci resolve and works fine. Currently use it in Windows but planning to give it a try on Linux soon now that I know why it wasn't working the first time.

[@AlanDampog]

I love framework laptops!! i have the 16 and I like it so much I want to get the 13 too!

[@krisspencer9769]

I want one of these so bad! By the way, the 16" model has 6 swap-able ports :)

[@Malix_Labs]

ARM and us, patiently waiting our turn

[@PrazgreenStudios]

This is actually pretty well priced. The version I would get with the taxes would be 1105 USD including a WD Black NVME SSD and 16 GB Ram with AMD Ryzen 7, 3 USB A ports, 1 USB C, and 1 micro SD card slot

[@jakebenson4187]

Having the ability to swap what IO is the best feature ever made. Though it's a 13inch laptop I'd still get a 12.4 inch tablet rather.

[@experimental0000]

This (Framework) will my next laptop purchase when my current HP laptop dies

[@lyianx]

id be cool if Framework came out with a Tablet pc.. like the minisforum v3 :)

[@cameronbosch1213]

@@lyianx oh my goodness, I'd love that!

[@aggierev]

Running Ubuntu 24.04 LTS has been a nice stable experience. 23.10 and Fedora not so much. Though my Fedora experience was marred by BTRFS going bad. But I am really happy with how it runs with 24.04

[@cameronbosch1213]

I've been hearing a lot about Btrfs going bad? What does that mean?

[@aggierev]

@@cameronbosch1213 I am not exactly sure what happened. But the result was the boot partition was lost or corrupted so my computer wouldn't boot. So when I managed to boot to bios, I decided to change to ext4 which I've never had an issue with.

[@deansmits006]

It runs that chip pretty fast, but at least we know that it will take Strix Point without a bunch of thermal engineering

[@Nope-gu3ph]

Importing these things would cost an arm and a leg and Framework rightfully doesn't want to enter the Indian market because they recognise that Indians aren't into the whole philosophy of replacing parts as time goes on and stuff. But if it was available here, this would 100% be my next laptop. Without question. It's sad, none of the Linux first companies sell their laptops here either. I'm stuck with big brand names only.

[@ronm6585]

Thank you.

[@jcholewa]

Wow. I have a Tuxedo Stellaris, and it's great, but I feel a little bad that after so many ads you've had with them, you may have just completely lured me away from them for my next upgrade!

[@cero-of5jj]

Great laptop! Would love one but man my chunky p53 is just so nice.

[@Daniel_VolumeDown]

10:50 Do I remember correctly, that you have to install some packages from rpmfushion to have hardware acceleration working properly under fedora (because fedora was "scared" of licensing of codecs)?

[@cameronbosch1213]

You can also use Bluefin, Aurora, or Bazzite to get codecs afaik.

[@mllarson]

I have an 11th gen i5 and a Ryzen 7 with the lower-resolution screen (the higher-res screen was not a thing then) and I really like the laptops. It feels quality, and while I don't have a new Macbook to compare it to, it is at least a similar build quality to a 2012 Macbook Air that I have laying around (although obviously the internals are much more advanced on the Framework).

[@XSpImmaLion]

Fingerprint scanner working on Linux is such a rarity that I'd say it's worth the extra only for that if this is a priority for you. But personally, I just can't justify it. It'd be one thing if the company had local operations and representation, so I could have a better idea of local price difference, have a proper warranty, and costumer service. But as it stands, the company simply does not sell here. Same problem with Steam Deck... I'd have gotten one a long time ago, probably even before the OLED refresh. But they don't sell it here, and because of currency exchange rates plus taxes, paying for laptops, portable pc devices and whatnot is ultra expensive, so I'm not ready to go grey market route to import those without warranty, costumer service and whatnot. It's not the fault of those companies, it's just how sh*tty my country is. Protectionism is the death of innovation. We are doomed to always be left behind on tech because of this sh*t. If people in the US wants to see how awful the situation is when you have overburdening tariffs on your back, just look down south. You will see what happens. It's not only about you not caring about paying a little extra on imported products because it'll "protect local industries". The real effect this has on a society at large scale is far more disastrous than most people think. In the end, I'm trapped with brands who took huge risks to establish an official presence here. Which means only big brands - Asus, Acer, Dell, HP and the like. And their prices for newer tech is crazy as well. Give you an example - if I wanted to buy an Asus ROG Ally X right now, it's around half a year of minimum wage. Yes, that's right - half a year of full minimum wage. Not half a month, not 100 hours of work or something like that - half a year, 6 months of work, 8 hours a day, at minimum wage. The Framework laptop in the video would be closer to a full year of minimum wage work, after currency exchange and taxes. So whenever I'm prepared to take the financial hit of upgrading hardware, I need an absolute guarantee that I have a place to go if something doesn't work, or something is wrong with my order, at least with those prices. What I end up doing is buying cheaper stuff for lack of money and options. I very much support and respect the ideas behind Framework to make a repairable and upgradable laptop, and I wouldn't mind paying more for it. But ultimately, the priorities here are completely different. Doesn't matter how much you wanna support and pay for the ideas that are more aligned to what you want as a consumer, if you don't even have the choice to do so.

[@therealforge]

Just a little note, the rear (closer to hinge) ports on the AMD FW 13 are the high performance ones, you really shouldn't have the HDMI adapter there. It messes with idle power dissipation, by a watt or so. Nothing that would ruin your tests, but your battery life would probably have been just a little bit better. (This is actually in the docs, but I know you said you didn't look at them.)