Fran 8K: When camera reviews go VERY VERY wrong!

[@erdnu5131]

Director: So can we shoot the next scene now? DP: Sure just let me change the ISO real quick! *Pulls out computer mouse*

[@MuwexTech]

xDDDD

[@jas_bataille]

To be fair you don't really change the base ISO 800 on cinema cameras, it's completely different than DSLRs or mirrorless - but yeah, that's absurd

[@martinesimmonds5290]

I.S.O no longer exists as a necessary measurement, it was a standardization of rolled film. Along comes digital, and and iso, is no longer needed to bake the cake. All things can be done in Post.

[@burtun1760]

Martine Simmonds lol. Ok then. “Fix it in post” I’d like to see how that works in the long run!

[@garthzutautas125]

​@@martinesimmonds5290 How is the sensitivity of the image sensor not necessary in properly exposing an image? You are wrong, it is not possible to change the ISO in post.

[@thatwastricky]

When you connected the mouse I lost it This video is a treasure

[@ActualKaktus]

Sony FS7: I have the worst UI in the industry Fran 8K: Hold my beer (loads in camera Netscape Navigator)

[@DennisSchmitz]

putting Windows on a camera. They brave

[@cooloox]

Mac fanboys sure have a chip on their shoulders. It's not Windows, anyway.

[@BinaryCounter]

​@@cooloox Yes, that's clearly Windows 10. Also this is not a Mac vs Windows thing, i wouldn't want Mac on my camera either. This needs to run a custom built realtime OS. That way they have no interruption, no crashes, no background tasks and it starts up in a fraction of a second. Canon does this, Sony does this, every major camera company does this. You don't put a freaking desktop OS on a camera and expect it to be stable. At the very least it should use Linux with a realtime kernel.

[@GhostRecon876]

balls of steel my friend

[@jimbopaw]

@@riaandebeer6718 Is Windows Server Core a real-time OS? I don't think so.

[@jimbopaw]

@@riaandebeer6718 Well from my short research I read that it is not real-time. As for medical devices, it might be used in conjunction with a RTOS or circuitry - and also we don't know in what type of applications it is used - like does it gather results from an x-ray machine or does it directly regulate a life support machine? So anyway it can probably do the job for cameras but I don't think it's the best option, the lighter, smaller other RTOS options are better in my opinion.

[@Tophymaster]

If someone ever says that the Sony UI is horrible, I will show him this video!

[@alex0589]

As a recent canon to Sony switchee, it still is but your comment made me belly-laugh. Cinemartin lowered the bar for everyone ahaha

[@matesaktesak]

I love the Canons menu, not so much the Panasonics and I hate Sonys - but this really is the worst I have ever seen!

[@martingazdag7570]

@@floatingrabbit3556 hahahha im an a7sm2 user (been that for 2 years) and i still think its horrid hahahha

[@MarcosElMalo2]

Matyáš Levíček Back in the 90s I had the luck to use a character generator from the 70s or 80s (it ran on DOS, so probably 80s). The menu system of the Fran reminds me of that. The font was almost the same, too. Yes, it only had one font. But you could choose up to 8 colors for the letters or the background!

[@reginaldworthington7558]

Tophymaster Ok, I’ll say it - the Sony UI is horrible and I’ve already seen this video. What else you got?

[@xmlthegreat]

I must say that the Philip Bloom of 2008 looked a lot like a Slavic gangster. I blame GTA 4.

[@YoungBlaze]

Cousin Lets go bowling

[@hennwei]

Slav

[@brooks.anderson6742]

Philip looks like Indian moviestar Abhishek Bachchan. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abhishek_Bachchan

[@xmlthegreat]

@@brooks.anderson6742 I'm Indian. I know who he is.

[@krane15]

Philip has gone through several physical metamorphosis since his humble beginning.

[@johncummings8602]

Sad but I hope that Fran promo video lives online forever. It's amazing!

[@Jikul]

Came for the camera, stayed for the cats. Lollipop is the cutest thing!

[@philipbloom]

Vasco Ferreira she is!

[@LaceyFilm]

That's fitting. I've heard most of Philip's followers exclusively use their cameras to film their cats.

[@DBLCreations]

I absolutely love Lollipop :-D

[@frankodeorain9616]

Holding up the cat near the beginning of the video made you look like an evil genius plotting to destroy the world 😉

[@scbeer1]

The packaging! That pretty much foretold the experience you were going to have. Two more weeks and this would have made an excellent April Fools video.

[@doug_EX]

This was the Tommy Wiseau of camera companies. :)

[@5minutemovies977]

Tommy WIseau is actually quite successful. The Room is a gem. This company was more like ... Uwe Boll ?

[@Saavik256]

@@5minutemovies977 Uwe Boll is a genius compared to these clowns.

[@5minutemovies977]

@@Saavik256 Savage x)

[@louislegofilms723]

Nice vignetting effect at the end.

[@MarcosElMalo2]

Truly artful. The letterboxing was a subtle touch.

[@YKStagram]

Spoiler alert !

[@NocturnalRecords7]

You know You have messed up when You have to hook up a MOUSE to a VIDEO CAMERA 😂

[@fjodorf7341]

That’s not really the problem, I bet you could do this with almost any camera - they are just computers with an operating system. What’s so horrible about this is that they just installed WINDOWS on it.

[@xxiamxx5535]

That's exactly what I thought.

[@krane15]

That, or its just ahead of its time?

[@cooloox]

@@fjodorf7341 That's not Windows. You must be a Mac fanboy.

[@captureinsidethesound]

@@cooloox , The pop-up is from Windows. The text format and icon are clearly from Windows. The cameras functionality/features are an application on Windows.

[@Workbenchtv]

At least it came with a RED cap. That would have come in handy if you wanted to get an actual 8K camera later.

[@ActualKaktus]

Could probably sell the cap on e-bay for some nice cash.

[@GuinnessFilms]

This is the best, most entertaining camera review I think I’ve ever watched. It reminds me of old Top Gear reviews! Fantastic work Philip - a brilliant way to make the most of what I imagine was a thoroughly frustrating morning!

[@brett327]

Interestingly, the intro music from the FRAN video clip is a guitar cover of Steve Vai's "For the Love of God."

[@Alexanderrox2010]

Something tells me they should've put their budget to different music lol

[@deanpettitt121]

Sony - "We like to make users work to get the best out of our menus" Fran 8k - "Hold my beer..." Also, love the cat colour changing magic at 6.42 😂😂😂

[@krane15]

That naming scheme does leave much to be desired.

[@RiederProductions]

That last shot with the vignetting. Comedic gold!

[@alex0589]

I just remembered this happened and burst out laughing randomly. I had to come back and watch this again. It's the train wreck that keeps on -requiring a computer mouse- giving..

[@VideoBakery]

For anyone wanting to see that instructional video from Fran, it is called "Fran 8k, introduction to world's highest resolution camcorder" It's 10/10 material. Absolute gold. Watch it in it's entirety. The borrow a Ferrari and everything

[@philipbloom]

VideoBakery Films I don’t think it’s borrowed! Head to Cinemartin.com to read their bankruptcy statement!

[@VideoBakery]

@@philipbloomHe details his lambo purchase in the bankruptcy statement... Hmm

[@philipbloom]

VideoBakery Films maybe if they bring the camera back (which he says he will do) they can use the lambo for another gorgeous launch video!

[@MaxHuisman]

The final shot with the "vignette feature". Just brilliant Philip hahah. Made my day

[@robertmumford3810]

Fascinating to see a camera that is not a major brand and a glimpse at how bad things could be! Thanks for sticking with it long enough to at least get a "review" out of it.

[@websitesthatneedanem]

Maybe it was shipped to you to avoid the the Liquidators!

[@alex0589]

Same reason why they flew the kids to the Fyre Fest

[@websitesthatneedanem]

🤣

[@HiroIchiro]

😂😂😂

[@ejkrouse1983]

This 17 minute "F You" is the greatest thing I've seen all year. Bravo, Mr. Bloom.

[@philipbloom]

ejkrouse1983 🙂

[@ProjectOverseer]

I thought the header was a bit of fun "clickbait," but it wasn't. It was an understatement 😂

[@KeberMaknaan]

i have this feeling entered and exited a cinema. watching this is like watching great mystery movie, i dont know how it’d end...

[@rosszpenz]

That vignette shot at the end... love your humour Philip! Although the doll with the wig on with some 80’s music still is nr 1 for me.

[@djamesvideography]

I have never looked forward to a camera review more than this one. Popcorns popping.

[@stevelitton]

Its sad to see another independent camera maker go under, but that last scene with the 'vignetting' had me rolling! That was comedy genius, well done sir 🤣

[@jimbopaw]

I'm happy to see people who have no clue of what they're doing, go under. It brings back some faith in the world.

[@user-yv2cz8oj1k]

I'm happy to see them go under, the issue is they took other people's money with them.

[@stevelitton]

@@user-yv2cz8oj1k Yeah, it's never nice to see that happen but I think when you are an adopter of something that is not yet proven you need to understand that the risks are huge. There are thousands of funding projects each year that get fully funded and never see the light of day with no one receiving their money back. Some are genuine and some are just outright scams, but either way, there is a lot of risk in anything like that. If you don't want risk, you just buy a camera off the shelf.

[@EvanMcKeeFoCo]

The 2019 Best Use of a Guitar Solo in an Ad goes to ...

[@hudarod]

hahahahah I laughed so hard when you used that vignette feature at the end. But seriously you are the nicest camera critic ever, if it was me Id smash it with a bat at the end.

[@alex0589]

**cocks gun** it's a feature, philip, it's a feature

[@flyguy8787]

17:14 I literally busted out laughing 😂😂😂. Excellent use of the vignette feature 😂😂😂

[@VinceCheong]

It was a good concept.... but great that you actually made this little review. If whoever said kinefinity has crappy UI, I’ll show them this.

[@pawpaw324]

Lmaooooooooo! When I saw the ports, I lost it. The packaging is comedy gold. Thank you for a laugh.

[@ankitjojha]

OOOF! The faux-vignette at the end legitimately killed me 🤣

[@APUGuru]

Waited all these months for a new camera review, and this is what I get. This was actually amazing 😂

[@joelbos3506]

So entertaining, had a good laugh. Thank you Philip. I hope your back is getting better. Good Luck

[@OUTDOORS55]

RIP fran 8k😂. The promotional video tells it all.. Great review by the way 😀👍

[@phoenixTampico]

You just made my sunday morning!, love your cats.

[@philipbloom]

Tomás Vargas thank you!

[@centurymusicgroupnashville]

The music enhances the hilarity of this video. Excellent video as usual!

[@Noealz]

I don't like camera reviews on KZbin, but yours are always a pleasure to watch. Greetings from Seoul and let me buy you a drink if you ever come around here

[@perrymorrisjr]

Philip has a way of making even a review of a bad camera become interesting.

[@geraldundone]

This was hilarious! Loved it, Philip. 👍😂

[@YuzuRyougi]

Waiting for a teardown!!! Wondering what camera they've put inside the case

[@ChrisProuse]

If only you'd uploaded this on April 1st!! In any event, always love watching your videos Philip :)

[@philipbloom]

Chris Prouse April 1st I will release my follow up review of the Fran 8K where everything works brilliantly and is better than every cinema camera out there!!!

[@ChrisProuse]

@@philipbloom - Lol! Can't wait!! 😄

[@innomind]

Enormous patience Philip! I would have thrown it out the window at the point I saw that horrible UI.

[@RBGEscuela]

uuuhh!! I don't know why but this whole Fran 8k thing has stirred me up inside. Maybe because I am a spanish content creator, and I know there is a lot of talent here in the cinema, photography and video world. But somehow this kind of cheap, awful, ugly way of doing things of spanish people can still be seen in many many areas. In many other areas people just don't feel spanish at all, and that's why we all look outside or become part of the so called "brain drain". But despite all that, I am glad that you showed this whole story, and I thank you for that! I wish you more luck in your next reviews :D

[@LauraBlesaC]

Aisss... muy triste y muy cierto lo que comentas...

[@Dangermaniac206]

Aquí nos tratan como a mierdas, mal pagados (o sin pagar directamente) y a base de enchufes

[@MikeEvs]

I can't imagine they had Steve Vai's permission to use For The Love of God in their advert

[@rosszpenz]

Most probably they didn’t. Maybe Vai torn the company apart! LOL

[@mdc07zilla]

And not just his song, but a horrible cover at that.

[@antiseth3964]

Something tells me this was a last ditch effort by Cinemartin to get their camera into the hands of someone who might be able to use it and give them enough support to keep going. Unfortunately it seems like this camera was not at all in a usable state. If anything it looked like a prototype, and some of the "features" they show on their website appear to explain away engineering issues. "Shipping in two months" with a product like this means these guys probably didn't have a clue of what they were actually trying to accomplish.

[@jimbopaw]

They couldn't do quality sound capture nor get the focus right in their "promotional video" which further proves your point.

[@alex0589]

The question is: what happened to the camera? did you ship it back or did you make a museum of failure in your house?

[@XanderWhat]

But how did you achieve the state-of-the-art vignetting with the actual Fran 8k in the frame, when only the Fran 8k itself can do it??? It was clearly an organic (not emulated) effect, so either you got two of them, or this camera is capable of true magic!

[@matesaktesak]

...Or he had a mirror...

[@town3]

OMG I was on the floor Philip lol This was just funny!!! man this made my day all i was waiting for was one of the cats to come and take a dump in that box of cotton that camera came in lol. Wow! funny. This was better than a Benny Hill classic lol. Great work like always Philip at least you tried to give them a chance.

[@philipbloom]

Michael Mystro Pierce cheers!

[@vargheesejoseph6729]

atleast u had the courstesy to wait till the company is dead, RESPECT, but why did i thing about steve martin

[@Jamesmatthews]

Oh my god that Final vignette at the end actually Killed me

[@xxiamxx5535]

I love how heartbroken you are. By far one of the best reviews I have seen on KZbin. My condolences lmao

[@danielurrutia4772]

So much for Fran. RIP. Love the vignetting, will miss that...

[@FilmedbyEdmund]

One day I will be showing this video to my grandchildren

[@bobbydbuze]

Hahahaha... that ending shot with the Vignette! Classic!

[@FilmMastersChannel]

Lmao!!! Loved this video. Especially the Frank 8K close with the special vignetting. There is a saying that fits well with this camera. You can crumb a turd, but it’s still a turd. This camera could have been really good but as you say, UI and the customer frustration is not what a filmmaker wants. As always Philip I always enjoy your Cats and reviews 😁

[@graycinllc]

Mr. Bloom gave us the best short film on a camera in 2019 and completed the 10 year ‘fashion’ challenge with flying colors..hahaha!

[@MoscowBaseStation]

The Red cap cracks me up.

[@RCodyWanner]

Fantastic use of that vignette feature. Compelling. 😂♥️

[@philipbloom]

would you like me to ask them to send you one to try?

[@RCodyWanner]

Philip Bloom since you posted this I have been doggedly messaging them on Facebook asking for one - anything you can do would be great

[@philipbloom]

Cody Wanner consider it done.

[@DeistBeats]

That was way more fun than I expected. Probably not for you but I had a few good laughs.

[@darkdealproductions]

I come back to this video whenever I need a good laugh 😅

[@robchado]

This was quite a fun watch.

[@hoz40]

This actually kinda makes me feel sorry for them. I feel like they tried their hardest and this is how it ended up for them, and now they're bankrupt poor guys.

[@philipbloom]

hoz40 it is sad for sure

[@Jsjsjjssjs]

It's hard being sorry if you 'followed' this brand for a while... looked like a total scam

[@scottslotterbeck3796]

I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. Not sure what they were thinking though. Would anyone start a high-end camera company seemingly without a clue? Scammers wouldn't send a non-working prototype out to Mr. Bloom, they'd just keep over-promising and never deliver. I guess kindest way of putting it is they are delusional...

[@philipbloom]

Scott Slotterbeck probably.

[@jimbopaw]

@@scottslotterbeck3796 How much does it cost to produce this "prototype"? A few thousand dollars? How much do you think their "promotional video" cost? Probably shot on a phone by an unpaid intern. How about their website? Probably hired the cheapest web developer they could find and ended up not paying. That's not much money considering the potential returns. Just a few "pre-orders" and a bit of investment, and they're all good.

[@daniloallen2]

That final shot was superb

[@takeone22]

that was by far the funniest review ever! philip good you didn't publish this video in april first

[@TwoOneSe7en]

I was actually laughing at your pain and suffering at one point during the video, strictly out of fun and light hearted-ness. It’s so crazy how cobbled together this camera still is. I mean, it literally looks like a high school shop class project at this point. Having said that, I agree with Philip that its always nice to see the “smaller guy” be a disruptor.

[@Coollok100]

Would be deeply interested in tearing one of these down - they've somehow hooked up seemingly quite a crazy sensor up to a full-on Windows PC so there must be some frankenstein electronics going on there

[@qnetx]

A harbinger of things to come for that company.

[@salvadorvega9834]

I just got off a shoot with red's 8K cameras. I was very surprised. a beautiful image that didn't look too video-ish, which is what put me off red before. The compression red uses is actually very good. 8K at 8:1 gives me about an hour of record time w/ 480gb cards. I thought it would have ridiculous files but the flexibility of the raw sure is fun.

[@stevenstevenson4400]

Didn't realize that Hugh Mungus was reviewing camera gear until this very moment

[@moundofsound4768]

As if they sent it in a cardboard box. Also, i doubt very much that Steve Vai gave them permission to use his music. Absolute tools.

[@MoiraOBrien]

I am not surprised that the camera is no more! I ended up more interested in watching your beautiful Burmese - my all time favourite breed :).

[@BLThackrey]

This was like watching a Coen Brothers movie .... and that ending . superb

[@endaoconnor]

So glad you uploaded this Philip.

[@ThePrimordialChronicles]

This might be the best review of anything in history of the world

[@tabongaproductions]

that final shot with the vignette was too fucking good

[@JoshtheSnake]

Enough of that shit haha I’m pumped for the Mavo LF review. Take your time!! Video should be AT LEAST 2 hours long 😉

[@ReefPatrol]

We looooove your reviews!!! Like a new Nextflix Episode every time 😚 we call it teatime with Bloom ... TV on sit down and watch 📽😁

[@SuchetB]

I love the way you reviewed and filmed this haha 😎😇🎬

[@VishnuAttiappan]

Kudos to your patience Philip 😂

[@BlackWarriorLures]

Wow, They could have hired any number of college film students to shoot the promo video for them, paid them in pizza and beer, and had a much better video to boot! As far as aesthetics, it reminds me of the old 8mm/Super8mm film cassette type cameras. I don't have a problems with the looks of it at all. I hope they can get it sorted. But for the prices they're charging, my goodness, they have work to do.

[@MatthewHyatt]

I think you missed the end of the vid...lol.

[@BlackWarriorLures]

@@MatthewHyatt na, I saw the end. I was happy to see Mr. Bloom pack up the camera and send it back.

[@MatthewHyatt]

@@BlackWarriorLures my bad, man. lol. one of his best reviews though.

[@scdobserver835]

Cats can never resist when a new box is opened. Always.

[@TimeMachineMedia]

The last shot says it all...

[@alex0589]

I'm just here watching this for the 4th time in 7 days. Still can't believe this. It's like "The Room" (2003) ... you just can't look away. #ohHiFran

[@MatthewHyatt]

Philip Bloom single-handedly took down Cinemartin with this review. Behold, the warlord of camera reviews.

[@philipbloom]

well to be fair they went bankrupt before I posted this. I only posted this after that happened. I wouldnt want to harm their company

[@MatthewHyatt]

@@philipbloom technicalities. haha. best review yet, mate!

[@Drewxcifer]

That ending shot mimicking the vignetting feature! I almost lost it haha

[@DavisTibbz]

Omg.... i laughed so much throughout the video 😄😄😄😄

[@MsMoeb]

Your best review so far, loved it :DDDDDDDDDDDDDD

[@xoseanlife]

This camera looks like a backup generator

[@C7Mediaart]

OMG love it...the music is so funny... the mouse...LOL..

[@GhostRecon876]

imagine showing up to a shoot and you have to tell the client bootmgr is missing from the camera so i wont start

[@JamesBenet]

I had been offered the Fran 8k to review as well. I passed due to the promo video and frame rates but now think I dodged a bullet. As a cat owner I think Bert might have been looking for some litter box alternative near the end based on that acrylic stuffing junk. Comedy timing gold that you just couldn't plan for. What a missed opportunity for a competitive camera :(

[@EposVox]

Man, I was super hyped for this - but what the heck? Running Windows, too?! LOL Guess Kinefinity is still the next go.

[@deeyammy783]

You were very very very very kind. Very kind.

[@ChrisKoehn]

hahahah the vignette "feature" at the end had me laughing.

[@karimbiri]

lmao this was the best review ever, very entertaining !!!!

[@Red35Photography]

You looked ‘Evil’ which that backdrop at the beginning 😂😂 great vid!

[@SixBlix]

Made me think of that african bloke who tried to build an airplane

[@ChrisVidouras]

The vignette in the end killed me!! 😂