France's dress code dispute: What's behind back-to-school ban on abayas? • FRANCE 24 English

[@kevinalexander2590]

If students are allowed to ware anything they like, they should be able to go to school with their underwear too!! Why can’t they just wear one uniform??? How hard is it to do so!!

[@KateLicker]

i think maybe the problem with uniforms is that is does not look like the cool kids in American high-school movies...the Mean Girls have labels, not uniforms..

[@jaibholenath6900]

How about going to courts in an underwear? Heck how about going to France 24 studios in an underwear! Somebody can claim having a religion which mandates wearing underwear in courtrooms

[@emma_emma2729]

Kids can't have a religion. Parents force them to practice some rituals

[@agnescraig2912]

Spot on. Was born in India and live in the West. Religion was forced from the day I was born, parents did it for me as I was not old enough

[@jonm3131]

Doesn't that impede on parents rights over their children?

[@NightsideOfParadise]

Good for France.

[@sosammathomas1525]

I agree with the school dress code.The uniform is better.

[@samgee8582]

France must do what is best for the country and not any religion or dress code, all schools must have one type of uniform regardless of any religion and all students and parents must respects country's / schools rules if they want to live or leave the country

[@pastelmoon9118]

Agreed!

[@jaibholenath6900]

Why just France your statement holds true for all čountries But when Bharat does the same liberal terrorists of the World goes berserk.

[@Ashnesss]

Countries that support freedom of expression from a young age, do not have school uniforms unlike United Kingdom.

[@TheFrancis2003]

Well done France

[@dingdingdingding2871]

I don’t see any Muslim women in the debate. Men dictating what women can and can’t wear.

[@appletree6741]

That’s what has happened in Islam for over 1000 years … old men deciding clothes for women

[@balsarmy]

I think it is right decision. It us not banning muslims

[@muslimresponse103]

as a white European Muslim revert, I would rather france ban muslim immigration and refugees, than ban abayas and hijabs.

[@kennethrohen5963]

@@muslimresponse103 Why don't you wear a hijab!

[@muslimresponse103]

@@kennethrohen5963 my sister wears niqab in England. Alhamdulillah

[@KateLicker]

and you are both freaks @@muslimresponse103

[@mohamedali2858]

@@KateLicker Try not to explode

[@voulathomacos-lagonas8445]

BRAVO to France ....if they don't like it.....LEAVE

[@muslimresponse103]

6 million french citizens cannot just leave and if they did leave then france would be in chaos.

[@MohamedAli-ko8gc]

Or you can practice freedom.

[@agitohd]

Where they should then?

[@pastelmoon9118]

indeed their country their rules!

[@mohamedali2858]

France: Five threatened Afghan women evacuated from Taliban to France Some of them had close contact with Westerners or had important positions in Afghan society. Comment: Instead of being preoccupied with the situation of the French woman, three of whom are killed a day, France goes to show Contradictions

[@KateLicker]

what is this? the old "let's not talk about religious-driven terrorism, let's talk about DV and male-pattern violence" routine? Yes...those falling shot over the fallen bodies of those fleeing b4 them, and those crushed under truck wheels at Nice, needed to convene about domestic-violence.. BTW..discussions of all of these issues exist...I'm not sure why you need to play the whatabout card regarding a separate issue, every time THIS one comes up...what are you afraid of? Me, I do not try to deflect when the DV is the subject..have at it.

[@mohamedali2858]

@@KateLicker Why bothers you to show hypocrisy and double standards among decision-makers who divert the public's attention from issues that hurt people to issues that have no harm to people, in a padded way.. And my style and my way of presenting and linking the relevant topics in common does not concern you as I do not concern you too, the dialogue is open and public without domination and restriction of freedom as the French government does.

[@fkoff7649]

YOU CANNOT DEMAND THE SAME FREEDOM IN MS. LIM COUNTRIES. I HOPE YOU ARE AWARE OF THAT. THEY EVEN STRICTLY IMPOSE THEIR LAWS EVEN TO NON MS.LIMS WHAT MAKE YOU THNK THESE SELF-RIGHTEOUS, DOUBLE STANDARD PEOPLE SHOULD BE GIVEN ANY SENSE OF ENTITLEMENT? IRAN'S COUNTRY, THEIR RULES. FRANCE'S COUNTRY, THEIR RULES. SIMPLE. WHAT A HYPOCRISY INDEED. IF YOU DONT WANT THEIR RULES, LEAVE! AS SIMPLE AS THAT

[@galemartin9155]

If you want to know what religion does to a nation look no further than the Middle East.

[@muslimresponse103]

which part of the “middle east”? Qatar, Saudi Arabia and the UAE/Dubai! or the countries like iraq and Libya which france and the USA invaded and destroyed?

[@Zoco101]

Yes, the Christian militia in Lebanon has a lot to answer for. And the Israeli fanatics. Any European history search will turn up gross atrocities by representatives of the Church. All organised religion is dangerous, not just the muslim variety, but we have to tolerate religions, per se.

[@agnescraig2912]

Main reason why Muslims from the Middle East seek asylum in France Europe or the West but never go to Muslim countries

[@anshuraj4277]

​@@muslimresponse103 All destroyed by their weakness and backward mindset

[@link10909]

​@@Zoco101Or we could take a look at atheist states like North Korea... It's almost like the problem with humanity is deeper than some top level national beliefs...

[@kathleencaffrey1716]

If you want to be super religious stop moving to a secular nation. I don't see how this is hard.

[@abhijeetmane3378]

If you want to wear abaya burqa go to saudi Or afghanistan

[@marpintado]

France should bane religious fanaticism. From all religions.

[@judykinsman3258]

👏👏👏

[@muslimresponse103]

the only fanaticism is coming from the fascist, nationalist, neo-imperialist "secular" french. wearing modest clothing is not religious fanaticism.

[@marpintado]

@@muslimresponse103 If you think so go back to your country, respect the house that as received you. Go read The Coram!

[@jonm3131]

It's not a ban on modest clothes tho.

[@JW-YT]

Its your country France, they will abide by your rules or they can leave.

[@nisahmed9121]

Why do you want native French who converted to Islam to leave their country?

[@BC-mj7gj]

Is that why the French are refusing to leave Africa even when the people there don’t want them

[@JW-YT]

@@BC-mj7gj "when the people there don’t want them" if the people didn't want them the foreign legion no longer need to protect them and would be happy to go home. But we both know thats not true. Because machetes and rape.

[@agnescraig2912]

It is not the native French who converted to Islam but the Muslims who chose France over their countries or other rich Muslim countries. It is choice period

[@JW-YT]

@@agnescraig2912 I know. They're trying to get to the UK for free money. If that wasn't the case they would have stayed in Spain or Portugal.

[@zubversivezigotto9731]

Sparing kids of religious ideologies and influences during their formative years is a bad thing? Being 6 hours in a neutral space endangers their 'faith' or integrity, come on! They'll drop the costume for a coaster ride, they're kids, let them breathe, free space is healthy.

[@second2none914]

A society that forces women to not wear an abaya is as bad as a country that forces women to wear one. It’s just a measure to control women.

[@etheriumrise39]

Unless you are a homosexual jew !

[@muslimresponse103]

16 and 17 year olds are hardly kids and they are growing up with absolute hatred for fascist france! is that the type of integration france wants? telling kids to take off their clothes is evil and human rights abuse. the french politicians should be in jail for child abuse!

[@KateLicker]

trouble is, this is a from the cradle ideology...not from the 'radical' mosque as they also like to pretend..

[@abdallaha92]

Stripping a kid of his/her right to practice their religion isn't freeing them. It alienates them, singles them out, and causes them to choose between society and their religion

[@agnescraig2912]

The debate was interesting. The Researcher commenting on tackling other more important issues with education is not aware of the inhumane treatment of women in Afghanistan. The moral police in Iran Saudi or Aceh Indonesia. The Professor of Sociology critising the French for their extremely absurd use of Lacite and banning the headscarf and Abaya. Middle Eastern rich countries are holding the West to ransoms everytime their Religion and practices are challenged. France has been compelled to change to because of the aggression of stupendously rich Arab countries who wish their followers o conform and defend at any cost their religious practices. It is all about economic and political power and nothing else. The ex Teacher on the panel was succinct and precise providing the best counter

[@marpintado]

In Muslim countries foreigner women must obey local dressing rules. The same must be applied on non Muslim countries. In Rome be Roman.

[@muslimresponse103]

only iran and Afghanistan has these rules and telling women to put on more clothes is NOT the SAME as telling women to take OFF their clothes!

[@marpintado]

​@@muslimresponse103 No one was told to take out their clothes, just to use local cloths. Are you not man enough to make a wife stay with you without using force? I am proud of my wife, let others envy me for the man that I am to have such a beautiful and lovely wife. Or is it that your wife is so ugly that it must be covered up?

[@CrudeBeach]

@@muslimresponse103both parties are still dictating how people dress. So if poor and innocent meslims can dish it out they better be able to take it

[@Earth_snoodels]

@@muslimresponse103no one says get undressed and jump in a mini skirt, even though no matter what a woman wears they deserve respect, right? Instead of wearing the abaya you could wear baggy trousers and a loose long sleeve shirt, what’s the problem? That you can’t be identified with your religion bc of clothes? Cmon

[@pastelmoon9118]

THIS!

[@Phoenix-in-flight]

If you can identify the persons faith just by looking at them, it's a religious outfit.

[@joiedevie3901]

So what?

[@Hotshotgels]

solution don't colonize Muslim countries

[@joiedevie3901]

@@Hotshotgels Or they can grow up and deal with the consequences that they did.

[@anshuraj4277]

​@@Hotshotgels What's done is done

[@anshuraj4277]

@@alls8990 No wonder u r hated and bombed

[@liamp.8826]

It's called trying to integrate the unwilling, France24! 🤦‍♂️

[@williamzabiski7653]

Easy, then leave

[@muslimresponse103]

its called cultural genocide and forceful assimilation.

[@3azra2eel27]

​@@williamzabiski7653well since you are french and most likely bitching about the immigration why dont you leave ?

[@BC-mj7gj]

But France is refusing to leave Niger

[@agnescraig2912]

If they are unwilling seek asylum a Muslim country. Instead they all seek asylum in France and The West

[@Tulipman1]

Their country their laws, abide by them or leave simple.

[@agnescraig2912]

Same as Qatar who banned alcohol during FIFA and Saudi stipulated the dress code for non Saudis during the Grand Prix.

[@link10909]

Mmm but France loves them some revolution so perhaps they should just assimilate some french culture and "viva" some revolution...

[@haseebahmed3258]

Why don't you tell them when they invaded others for so called FREEDOM & PEACE.

[@liv-turner]

But this countries can put the laws they want and no one can criticise, but not in Europe……

[@mohamedali2858]

@@liv-turner America, the European Union and the World Bank threaten the Ugandan government to sanction and stop food and medicine because of the moral decisions of the traditions and culture of Uganda regarding the the homosexuality, Just look how the media dogs were launched to succeed on this topic.

[@julianagarciaalvarez8027]

Thank you for bringing back ‘The Debate’! I love this program!

[@FarsightAE]

Respect the culture and laws of the country you're in.

[@hoothothoti9369]

So why are the French not leaving Niger. The hypocrisy. 🙄🙄

[@FarsightAE]

@@hoothothoti9369 Totally the same thing. 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@nogyo]

@@hoothothoti9369 What does Niger have to do with a new French law?

[@muslimresponse103]

@@FarsightAEits not the same, you are right, french imperialism is much worse!

[@muslimresponse103]

@@FarsightAErespect women! stop taking off their clothes.

[@ly________]

really only affects young girls - why is every man obsessed with being the one who decides what women wear? focus on education for women, not what they look like. thanks.

[@pastelmoon9118]

thing is they dont want women to be educated : educated people are harder to manipulate

[@Zoco101]

Whatever happens, these unfortunate girls will suffer. Either they will be stigmatised, or their parents will keep them at home. I remember how we had to wear uniforms at my high school in Australia. They weren't cheap. Classmates who didn't have the full uniform (blazer too) could not go on school excursions. Teachers behaved aggressively towards me for having a winter coat over my uniform when it was cold. Anyway, I deeply resented having to wear a uniform. Even at 11+ years old I knew it was a violation of my rights. Let's rid ourselves of concepts like one-size fits all. Ironically, these dresses are a bit like that (one size fits all) but let's not get confused. France needs to be careful. I believe that Macron is turning it into a nanny state.

[@Hans-Zaman]

Why don't you choose school uniforms so that everyone wear the same dress in that way everyone will be fully integrated and i think focus should be on betterment of education in France and not on tights and pants

[@elainegoad9777]

School uniforms solves the problem

[@eelmohamed]

A very distraction from France's internal problems and its being kicked out of Africa. A very good plan by Macron 😂😂😂😂

[@4ledki]

Oxford dictionary says an abayas is a full length robe worn by some Muslim women. Yes, it represents a religion & that's not allowed in secular public school since France is a secular country.

[@yepkopa1554]

What is a muslim woman? Have you seen non religious muslim?

[@judykinsman3258]

I’ve never known anyone who saw Islam as NOT directly connected to religion. Are there atheist Muslims?

[@pastelmoon9118]

in islamic states there are people who claim to be muslim when asked in public but they keep it to themselves because apostasy is punishable by death. Seen that some muslims even in europe keep their status as "muslim " but dont practise.. mostly because of killings

[@appletree6741]

Leaving the Muslim religion can be dangerous for your health

[@sabahetful]

France needs to gauge the complexities of its citizens. Imposing an either or; that it is 'cultural or religious symbol' shows how simplified notions of identity are in france

[@yberai]

it's the opposite, you don't know anything about French culture. Take an interest in French history, the separation of church and state as well as the ideas of the philosophers "des lumières"

[@agnescraig2912]

Surely defending the wearing of an Abaya which is a Religious mandatory part of Sharia law must not be put to culture and religion. All religions are headed by men and none of the men or the lone woman on the panel alluded to this fact. Only women have a dress code and it is to do with modesty and not incite males for sexual reasons. Have lived in the Middle East and there is a groundswell need to conform no matter how persecuted one feels

[@KateLicker]

don't pretend the women are not utterly willing going along with this stuff...ISIL proved that..but the western left leaps at the straw of conflating every issue with the wicked patriarchy..those poor women dragged kicking and screaming to do all of these crazy non-enlightened things@@agnescraig2912

[@Dsc870]

They are right … if i would live in France i would respect their culture, uniforms, or style…

[@Nom_AnorVSJedi]

Then it’s okay for the Chinese to persecute the Uighurs as well?

[@jonathanbelanger6574]

​@@Nom_AnorVSJediwhat does that have to do with France??

[@jobarmure6169]

it's logic if the french politicians and media weren't always actively criticize Iran and other country that control what woman should dress.

[@muslimresponse103]

if the french told you to take off your clothes and wear a miniskirt, kiss strange men on the lips, because its french law and culture! you would be ok with that?

[@marpintado]

​@@muslimresponse103 In Muslim countries foreigner women must obey local dressing rules. The same must be applied on non Muslim countries. In Rome be Roman. Go study the Coram.

[@snimsay]

BRAVO FRANCE! Secular country, secular values, secular rules. You don't like it? Don't come here. Period.

[@KateLicker]

bravo..

[@haseebahmed3258]

Sickularism

[@KateLicker]

you show your true colours..the ugly face of backward failed religion..@@haseebahmed3258

[@darshansingh4375]

The French republican secular dogmatism and intolerance at work, stop harassing Muslim girls, and focus on reall problems instead. Vive la liberté et la diversité .

[@TheDerangedBlood]

Baggy pants are not a religious item no matter how hard people try to make them be. Also, baggy pants should be outlawed based on bad fashion sense.

[@agnescraig2912]

The researcher claiming that baggy pants analogy with the Abaya is absurd. If abaya was not a Religious dictate why would the moral police in Saudi Iran Afghanistan and Aceh in Indonesia roam the streets enforcing the strict sharia code. Her arguments were just clutching at straws in opposition to the ban. Women in Afghanistan are not allowed education and live in utter desperation with an extremely inhumane code of dress or rights. In Iran the women are much more able with their men folk to stNd up and be counted. In Saudi women have weathly fathers and are able to put up with their lack of certain rights. Go live in the countries as I have and then defend these religious practices

[@KateLicker]

yes, the old "oh, it is not a religious garment, it is a cultural one " double-talk...the same set of garments are worn globally, regardless of ethnic group..@@agnescraig2912

[@Joe--]

​@@KateLickerSo you're saying ethnic group does not equal religious group? Agreed.

[@KateLicker]

I'm saying that when they tell us a same set of garments worn globally by members of same religion are not garments re religion , that they are jerking us off...which jerking us off and jerking us around is also a critical part of that religion. @@Joe--

[@lkaymedia6276]

France again

[@nisaxon_04]

Allah knows everything. Allah witnesses everything. People who ban Abaya, Hidjab respond in front of Allah

[@blackpanther8219]

Where do we stop 🚫 I like her questions

[@farxiyacusman4026]

I don't know why they are always busy for what women's are wearing? And other hand they are saying we are free country!! ?

[@pastelmoon9118]

because they want all westerners to become muslims all our values are anti muslim and they cant stand it x)

[@Kexgoija]

Just declare Kilts for everyone; very practical and democratic!

[@nisahmed9121]

😊 This will start a whole new argument. You know the bad blood between the French and the British !

[@mohamedali2858]

Don't hesitate to ask who said this dangerous statement.👇 More and more women no longer dare to take public transport for fear of being assaulted. We are going to double the police presence in transport, in particular at times when attacks are most observed. & And look at the state and its ministers are busy with what.

[@eelmohamed]

Just in, the Taliban have invited Macron to join forces and organize the clothing police.😂😂😂

[@appletree6741]

Many countries across the world have school uniforms and nobody complains. Lots of fuss about nothing

[@MSArtist01]

Does the dress remind France that they have been a Colonist country.

[@CrudeBeach]

No actually it reminds them of the many Muslim driven murders they’ve experienced lately

[@RaySmith79]

This is simple. Are hats banned in school? If not, then let the girls wear what they like. If so, then ban it.

[@Phoenix-in-flight]

If it's a white pointed hat and identifies you in the klu Klux Klan, yes.

[@MK-cy3ww]

They wear the abaya without the hijab tho

[@TheSamuelbest12]

Hats are banned in all european schools

[@annas4843]

Have you been in Europe? Ofc hats are banned in the classroom. Same as sunglasses or having earphones on.

[@TheMetrored]

It's not that simple. They banned the headscarves because muslim kids were wearing them back in 2004. Now they're banning the long flowing dresses that muslim girls are wearing. After they ban that, there will find something else to ban. It's not about the garment, they're trying to ban muslim (really North African) students from having any sort of visually discernible identity.

[@interstellar2560]

He said we need to tell the kids how to think !

[@cynthiaokeke8321]

Leave their country to yours where you can wear whatever you want. You don't come to someone's land and want to tell them what to do

[@pastelmoon9118]

b-but who would turn this infidel country into peaceful if all muslims leave? :O

[@eveborg1839]

Don't go to someone's home and tell them what and how to do things, you are the guest, its as simple as this. Otherwise stay home..

[@SpringFlowers11]

The Biggest mistakes of all time - France never adopted the tradition of SCHOOL UNIFORMS from the beginning of schooling era. It is real time The French people, The French parents take the toll to ask the government to adopt school uniforms for government and private schools in France from Primary to secondary schools and college. Then the Islam religious students and parents will have to understand that no fashion wear is worn in schools - UNIFORMS must be worn. Like this it will solve the problem. If the Islamic parents don't like it, they should LEAVE France - The airports are open 24/7.

[@MrJankert64]

imagine having the time and resources for this BS.

[@corinnehamdi1768]

I agree completely with the lady.

[@REdds-ws4ll]

"I do no think that children are strictly the responsibility their parents'.... Just felt dirty listening to that, I need a wash..... I think the guest in london, De La Ferriere, was right to note the Jacobinistic nature of all of this.... It's sad. It's beyond absurd.

[@deidresable]

That's their goal re educated all children what government wanted, even to demonize their own parents. Not going to be suprise if they wanted to introduce rainbow ideology after this

[@muslimresponse103]

a sick western principle!

[@saiyedakhtar3931]

​@@muslimresponse103no, just French. It's not really an Anglo Saxon way of thinking.

[@muslimresponse103]

@@saiyedakhtar3931 true, the fascist french are very extreme on these issues, but I have heard some in the UK and USA also say similar things and have now began to force school children learn about lgbtxzs and their parents cannot opt out of these lessons and much worse is happening in places like Scotland and Canada.

[@saiyedakhtar3931]

@muslimresponse103 in the US, you can have your child opt out of classes discussing anything controversial. In the more conservative states (Texas, Florida, Georgia etc etc), it's not at all part of the curriculum. Second, children are free to wear any religious clothing in US schools as long it doesn't disturb other students. The Supreme Court in the US has recently ruled on religious freedom within schools in a recent case. So, the matter is closed. You can pray in schools, wear religious clothing, etc, as long as you are not forcing others and not disturbing others. This comes from the fact that schools are localized and not federal. The school boards are elected by the local community, and curriculum issues are voted on.

[@hourbee5535]

Francistan

[@Imrk17]

😹

[@quantizedcorp]

As a Christian I don't support this ban.

[@jobarmure6169]

t's logic if the french politicians and media weren't always actively criticize Iran and other country that control what woman should dress or not. and asking the majority muslim to not oblige minority to dress like them

[@jaibholenath6900]

When one of Bharat's state Karnataka banned Hidjob in classes France 24 had gone berserk

[@joiedevie3901]

This is one of the most ridiculous rules of any nation anywhere. As one of the guests notes, the question must be asked whether it is possible for someone to wear this clothing and not be religious? Is it a cultural expression? A fashion statement? Men are not banned in France from wearing turbans, which is a religious article of faith by Sikhs. What is up with that? This is not the 19th century and no other religion in France is anywhere near contesting the French political hierarch as the Catholic Church did historically. In 2019, a nun was told she could not wear her habit in a retirement home. That was rescinded when it made news and was exposed for its cruelty. What kind of atavistic nonsense is this? Perhaps, the most remarkable aspect is that France, exceeded only by the UK in planting its flag across the world in places it had no business, has the audacity to claim it is protecting its home culture where it literally destroyed the culture and overran traditions everywhere else it landed, as the rest of European colonial powers did. Granted, France is on its 5th Republic, so maybe they are just a little scared that fashion may bring this one down, too. But how do they include liberté on their statement of national identity when they mean "except when it comes to your clothes"? Jeremy Stubbs sounds like a throwback to Queen Victoria's reign. What exactly makes a public school something other than a public forum when he claims that girls can "wear the abaya in public"---except school? It seems that France's best move to restrain theocratic influence is with cultural intolerance. C’est tellement français !

[@interstellar2560]

French the still doing same things in Africa

[@CASLUCASTON]

Just make it “No Head Coverings in Classrooms”, No Hats, Scarves, Caps, Etc…..Issue Solved!

[@eduardosimoes2228]

Banning clothes in the name of equality. Comrade Mao would be proud! In the end you will have 3 types of clothes in 3 colors. Courtesy of the french government and his sacred moral principles. The problem it's not about a laic state establishing the limits to a religions. The problem is the state becoming the religion...

[@nogyo]

You don't poop in the kitchen or the bedroom just because you have the right to poop anywhere.

[@eduardosimoes2228]

@@nogyo I just have one comment after your insightful elaboration: YOU ARE FULL OF SHI..... of poop

[@muslimresponse103]

@@nogyo france is pooping all over Africa and now Africans will poop all over france. it is only right!

[@KateLicker]

at school level 3 types of clothing in 3 colors might be enough..it does not have to have a retro Marxist look..

[@agitohd]

@@nogyo Nice try comparing apples and oranges.

[@BOBBOB-ih2tg]

Muslim should speak up & resist

[@liv-turner]

Lol I thought that’s all they do all the time…

[@appletree6741]

By resist you mean violent rallies and beheading infidels? No Muslims have to adapt rather than terrorise people who disagree wit them

[@Gotrek-sk8rq]

Hahahahahaha DAMN y’all cut him of, he’s telling the truth, don’t forget France

[@citraamalia6561]

??? The world going backward..

[@sosammathomas1525]

Uniform is better.

[@alexeygrinchuk1716]

Macron, where is Gabon ?

[@YOUTUBE_AMERICA]

When India tried to do entire west weep crocodile tears

[@dmdrak]

Abayas is a religious, that how they wear in arab

[@ajitKumar-zk1yx]

🤣🤣🤣😂

[@farid7838]

Of course, not a single Muslim woman voice in the debate. Legacy of colonial thinking: to talk past someone, rather than to talk with them.

[@fooleyadaawe3434]

Why france24 invide muslim women to the debate?

[@Zainitentiony]

It's their country so they can make rules as they like, however, students should have the right to wear religious attire as long as it does not outrightly proselytize.

[@KateLicker]

yeah, some chick way back at my highschool wore a Star-David necklace...it caught my eye one day, interesting, first one I'd seen worn..nice gal. but,as a religious symbol, it is easier hidden,barelky noticeable at close-quarters, , than some broad dressed to resemble a mail-box or wearing a potato-sack or 12th century nun's habit..

[@Zainitentiony]

@@tahaAFK I believe what french are doing to justify the ban is the same as Iran and Taliban. Technically it's their country so they can do whatever they want, but it shouldn't be state business what a girl or boy should wear

[@yepkopa1554]

They have this right. It's not proselytism if you hide it under non religious clothes. For example, you have the right to wear a cross under your t shirt. If it shows, it is outrightly proselytizing.

[@sentenced2sail]

Thank you again for the great Debate!

[@hassanndow7967]

The devil's unfruct garments of shame (haya), under the Watcheful Eye of the Creator Allah (Exalted is His Majesty and Glory). (CSPDST) COMMUNITY SPIRITUAL PSYCHOLOGICAL DEVELOPMENT SUPPORT THERAPY

[@balsarmy]

Teaching isn't just service

[@Pazzystar]

Fashion gendarmes 😂

[@Nom_AnorVSJedi]

Isn’t this like what the Chinese are doing to the Uighurs?

[@muslimresponse103]

similar but not the same.

[@Nom_AnorVSJedi]

@@muslimresponse103 how is it different?

[@GZimmermann]

Nope

[@GZimmermann]

@@Nom_AnorVSJedieducation camps ? Jail sentences ? People having their organs harvested ? Look it up. If you go to Saudi Arabia and many Muslim countries western women cannot wear as they please. Same way around, this is Europe.

[@joiedevie3901]

@@muslimresponse103 Close enough for government work.

[@swallowedinthesea11]

I'm 16 and I know a lot about life and positive change is needed! We need younger people in office and we need to send aid to France and help them make a good law!

[@joiedevie3901]

Love your id. Great floor plan!

[@KateLicker]

do you actually have any comment on the issue itself, or just trite platitudes about rien ?

[@swallowedinthesea11]

@@KateLickerIDK a Rien I'm American

[@mohamedali2858]

@@KateLicker Make France great again 😂😂really it needs that .

[@joiedevie3901]

@@KateLicker Est-ce que vous avez autre chose à offrir que de la consdescence dans votre pathétique tentative de paraître supérieure ?

[@kennyz4953]

Read France's icon which is a liberal woman, so is France liberating women?

[@sakariasheikh9739]

The irony is that the france department of education approves Christmas and Sundays to holiday. Christian children are off during their holidays. Align your argument

[@annieluminarias463]

Uniform is good so there will have no descrimination and children learn to asimilate to the countries culture!