France is Right To Ban The Veil - A Debate

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[@dinorama13]

I love the moderator's aggressive questions to both sides.

[@worldshaper1723]

Dinesh Ram Yeah I loved that too! I have never seen that before. Like he doesn't have an opinion he just, challenges them! Tim Sebastian one great journalist.

[@algnadjib]

i was impressed too ! fantastic style

[@Janewomanpower]

I like it but i find he cuts everyone off to finish their points. I cançt finished because of the talking over.

[@markuk7935]

He was very good indeed, but you do have to allow time for people to respond, to the main question, and his questions, to be fair.

[@rajadhirajmaharaj]

7:40 *"Anti-immigrant anti-muslim"* HAHAHAHA beettchh!!! Qatar is pro-immigrant?? Beeettch!!! :D can a immigrant worker from Bangladesh get citizenship in Qatar?! Biiiittchh!!! Gulf states are built on immigrant workers who they exploit like slavesss... none of whom get citizenship..... bittchh.... WTF is this biitch talking about?!!!!

[@StevesSammiches]

I love the announcer's ability to play the devil's advocate to each of the proponents. That's a skill within itself.

[@aleempervaiz8789]

@@TheNextTurn: The US is a rogue state so it is their media.

[@kaziahmed1424]

Yeah Tim Sebastian is the best in the devil's advocate role. This is why he was so brilliant in HardTalk when he hosted it

[@essadawood6901]

Devils advocate slanted more in favour of the motion in favour which is not surprising as has been the case between white and non white and between Islam and Christianity all over the globe and played out so many times

[@hermanrowell3081]

until he let the guy with the loud voice run all over him and the others to

[@Salakert]

The original hard talk. it was really good back then

[@z4kri405]

the lady who made the example of the medical mask was clearly ahead of her time in light of covid 🤣

[@markbisson6166]

Right, but it’s so much more easy to identify someone in a surgical mask than it is to identify someone in a niqab or burqa

[@paulc1939]

It is the obligation of immigrants to reconcile with the country that accepted them, not the other way around.

[@halabi97]

Itt's the obligation of a country to allow anyone to wear whatever they want..

[@paulc1939]

Obviously not in France

[@halabi97]

p carter This is worldwide..

[@paulc1939]

Actually its not the case in virtually every country in the world. In the US, you can't wear clothing that is too revealing and you can't wear anything that covers the face in a bank of other financial businesses. Every business in the U.S. has the right to refuse service to anyone if they are dressed in an unacceptable way. What makes Muslims think they are so special that governments, businesses and people have to acquiesce to their desires.

[@jimmydjjones]

SO YOUR SAYING THAT IMMIGRANTS HAVE TO DRESS THE WAY SOCIETY TELLS IT THATS NOT FREEDOM

[@NicosNicosNicosNicos]

Medhi Hassan: Excellent speaker, clear-minded guy.

[@fabriziocamisani5477]

I'm definitely a fan, except when he talks about religion, then he gets slippery, very defensive and resort to techniques to gain the upper end in the argument. To be fair, religion does that to many, just listen to Jordan Peterson, he goes from being laser-sharp to a babbling, incoherent, intellectually dishonest moron.

[@tobiasdenhollander3210]

Exactly. Therefore I cannot understand that man believes in a religion.

[@HaFii23]

@@tobiasdenhollander3210who told you that muslims can’t be clear-minded and excellent?

[@BaalBuster]

How do you alienate people who have no intention of integrating?

[@Shafiqulislam786]

How do you “integrate” with such a people who want to Alienate everyone else?

[@yeshaya24]

Do you integrate yourself ?

[@libansheikh7067]

@@yeshaya24 u r a kid. Most probably under the age of 16. So stfu and stop commenting bullshit

[@hermanrowell3081]

they purposely segregate themselves and then blame the greater society for them being segregated

[@cyberanon2463]

They are benefiting those countries better than the ones born there. It is interesting to see you speak about all of them as if you know 1% of muslims in france.

[@rapidbl4z32]

By 23.10 we all knew mehdi hasan had whooped Frances ass the smile from the host knowing mehdi hasan was ready for his questions gave it away. Mehdi hasan is a legend

[@nickgs21]

Great Moderator. This is an incredible debate process. I have not watched the entire thing, but so far, it appears that the moderator argues against whoever is speaking regardless of what they say. This is a very interesting idea for an truly honest debate.

[@tristan8105]

The announcer is the best debater on the panel!

[@SuperRegmac]

Hisham Al-Qahfah I dont. I think he's a piss pot.

[@honestghamdi1053]

And now Mehdi Hassan (the young, the one supporting the motion) is now has taken the place of that announcer, Tim Sabastian.

[@nadvinafiuzaman6723]

Mehdi is brilliant !

[@usmanghani16]

Youre fab

[@mascot5400]

the host and Mehdi....excellent work

[@secularvalue5087]

Any person hiding his or her face hide their identity. That is definitely a security issue.

[@juliusstewart4619]

um okay I think women aren't really a threat compared to men but okay. listen how many men are in prison compared to women. men in prison out nber women 9 to 1

[@lequsejones5384]

@@juliusstewart4619 but if people cover their faces, we would not know if they were women or men would we?

[@cyberanon2463]

Then let's ban Halloween masks also. They can serve the same purpose

[@holyhelena2]

Did I hear right: "When Italy banned the veil, it forced a woman to stay home because her husband wouldn't let her leave?"

[@hermanrowell3081]

yes the husband believes in women's rights the right to stay home at his command and it's all Italy's fault how about when in Rome do as the Romans do

[@NtoyDaDragoN]

GOTTA GO NAKED & SIT BESIDE A MUSLIM WOMAN WEARING A VEIL IN THE PARK AND ASK HER "AM I MAKING YOU FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE?"

[@miljevac]

LOL ,, Good point... but debate is not about if women should or should not wear a veil but if the government should have the right to force them to wear one (as in some Arab countries) or not to wear one (as in some European countries) I think it should be a personal choice.. in the mean time clerics should discourage people of fanaticism and going overboard with things including covering up.

[@halabi97]

Ali ja There isn't a single arab country, not even KSA, Where women are forced to wear a veil

[@alicat4947]

It would take much more courage to invite her to your church......not all folk are so perverted. By the way if you think you are going to retain your culture by hate and violence against Muslims - you will fail. They will use your own laws against you and you will go to jail whilst they take your job. Thinking of them as being stupid will be another very big mistake - a 1.3 billion cult is not mickey-mouse. Get prepared - read the Quran, then read the Bible....learn all you can. A cult member feels invincible and it will be up to you to confront the superiority complex of a cult member, with the truth. Then only will you survive as a culture/nation.

[@NtoyDaDragoN]

I'm sorry to be harsh on Islam, Sir. I guess I'm to naive to be making remarks on islam without fully understanding the cult. I was hoping you could enlighten me about how Islam deals with an apostate. Bukhari (52:260) - "...The Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' " or Bukhari (84:57) - [In the words of] "Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'". Now please don't tell me this is out of context or I just made this up.

[@NtoyDaDragoN]

***** Muhammad had sex with his child bride. He beheaded those who refuse to be converted to Islam especially the Jews. He will have a muslim executed if he abandons islam (this is still practiced today in Saudi and other countries who has sharia law). Care to explain, Mr Pax?

[@BB-mr3vy]

This moderator is awesome. He makes all the most persuasive arguments on both sides.

[@arthursid1129]

Agree with the ban. How can wearing something that conceals your face be "conducive to reconciliation"?

[@gobvuu]

This is the best debate I have ever seen. I love the fact that the one controlling the debate plays devils advocate, its really a much better way of debating.

[@n.stiller146]

I agree ,everyone should be seen

[@juliusstewart4619]

yeah that is democracy for you. the government should tell the women what to wear huh you guys are hypocrites. why does a Muslim women get hate for what she wears but a Christian nun is getting love for what she wears.

[@siobhannkennett9311]

Yeh.. because the woman wearing the veil seated next to her husband could really vote how she feels. This would only work if the vote was secret. You can see people next to each other glance over to see what they put.

[@mmary952]

out of 16000 people who convert to islam there is 6million who leave this religion on yearly basis.

[@halabi97]

16000 convert? maybe in 1 city not worldwide

[@usmanghani16]

Incorrect figure, as many as 30 to 40k people convert to the religion of truth every year because they dop research and find truth in it, they dont go for the stereotype concepts and reumours which the media spreads

[@paulatkins5815]

mmary952. Load of nonsense.

[@yloading209channel9]

God has shown his power after COVID-19 where everyone is wearing scarf, 😷 mask . Myrad is also is wearing mask/piece of cloth on his face in face. 🙏🏼

[@yiyipthegruntmajor]

God? There is no god sorry for popping your bubble of christian/muslim pride.

[@skyebowleyn6364]

Really?

[@Trip4man]

one thing is wearing a temporary mask, another is using a cloth that covers you fully. if you want that stuff you should go to countries who have it legalized

[@killuazoldycke]

@@yiyipthegruntmajor ok

[@amina8048]

@@yiyipthegruntmajor why are atheists so aggressive when it comes to other people's beliefs? Its none of your business, is it? Feel free to disbelieve until the time comes, stop promoting your own belief in satan. Satan doesnt want you to believe in your Creator, so you're doing a good job at not only disbelieving, but also "correcting" the believers. You're mad that some people do actually believe and obey your God, while you fell for the plan of satan.

[@kaisuski]

Covering your identity in Finland has been banned for much longer.

[@karaoglan4085]

veil does cover an identity? thats new to me.

[@ryanwill37]

@@karaoglan4085 What? Does someone really need to explain this to you? If I say something in public and have my face covered, how many people will be able to identify me later in the future?

[@karaoglan4085]

@@ryanwill37 like right now? your identity is covered while you re posting a comment and its not a problem for both of us.

[@extremelymediocre4342]

see Esquilache riots in Spain, in 1766

[@amysands2413]

@@ryanwill37 Exactly its just common scene. Why can't they see that. Its not rocket sciences. Some people like to be the victim.

[@daniahal-ali1331]

I love how they only clapped for Mahdi Hassan. He's absolutely brilliant.

[@melese1988]

They should ban the men who pressure this sick practice of wearing face cloth.

[@alphabah7122]

Alhamdulillah thanks so much my dear bro Hassan

[@SuputraBharathi]

If muslims have problems with French government , If Religion is important than country ..Take flights to other islamic nations and practice it ..

[@SudaneseChamp]

@@SuputraBharathi who here in this debate made a Islamic point? Did they not clearly say its not mentioned in Islam. The points they made where that its not a free liberating state if it bans it.

[@cyberanon2463]

​@@SuputraBharathi We have a problem with hypocrisy. This is not a muslim issue but a restriction on women's freedom of choice.

[@tonyrelignisilly3633]

lots of people in fancy dress in the audience - a great party atmosphere!

[@honestghamdi1053]

lol!

[@rajadhirajmaharaj]

They are all inbred royals of Qatar who hasn't worked for a single day in their life. Qatar runs on immigrants from south Asia. But it does not provide citizenship to those immigrant workers, most of whom are Muslims. :) So, is Qatar anti-muslim? Haha

[@inaaranur1611]

@@rajadhirajmaharaj People from Bangladesh etc do not have to go to Qatar to be immigrant workers They can stay and work in Bangladesh

[@kroposman2302]

Double standard is everywhere!

[@Noddy656]

50 years ago while serving in the middle east there were strict rules on dress codes (for both sexes of the UK military). We accepted and complied with the requirements - we effectively had no choice as you could not leave the base unless you were dressed correctly. I see no reason why the veil should be worn in France - If they want to live in France - they should abide by its traditions and those include dress requirements.

[@annec9376]

Somebody in a burqa bag could get away with any crime that relied on identification for prosecution. Yes, even murder.

[@hijas9111]

A criminal is always gonna come covering his face one way or another.

[@Truth_Seeker1]

Anne C And when have you heard that happening?

[@libansheikh7067]

@Deutschland Über Alles yo ur 1 yr late. so u stfu

[@dawaronline]

So could a good enough makeup artist. Thats not a reason to ban makeup is it?

[@abadali440]

@@hijas9111 Not necessary Hijas..... I bludy got robbed on a beach,, when I was looking and concentrating on something nice....

[@DrivingTestLearn]

Farzana Hassan: 1 + 1 = 39 !

[@honestghamdi1053]

lol!

[@combatives]

Brother, you are so right!

[@olofssonwarren]

a veil covers the face a nuns only the hair.

[@HamzaKhan-fm1dx]

Mehdi Hasan was the difference between both the teams ! 👏

[@jason-fq1tk]

"When in Rome do as the Romans do" For thousand years everybody in the world agreed this common sense rule. Why stop now?

[@MrLadysally89]

then do not claim to be a free and democratic society...Say We are the west the new Saudi Arabia ;)

[@yeshaya24]

Do you do as " the Romans " when you go on holiday to other countries, do you speak their language even !

[@amysands2413]

@@yeshaya24 Your on a holiday you dont live there. Totally different.

[@BazmAfarin]

Today it was so cold in DC that many people were practically wearing the face vail. LOL.

[@Electronite1978]

That is one bad ass moderator :) He might be changing my mind from the get go. It truly is interesting that people aren't allowed to walk naked even in secular socities so there actually are limits how people can dress/undress themselves. Never thought of it that way.

[@valkyriesardo278]

There are known incidents of crime while wearing fulll body covering. One woman caught in the act of theft permitted her lawyer to claim mistaken identity, that it was actually another woman beneath the veils who had committed the crime.

[@rajadhirajmaharaj]

hahahaha

[@cyberanon2463]

And what percentage of women wearing the face veil do that?

[@agnieszkaniemira]

Re Introduction: Because it is NOT just a piece of clothing - it is about symbolism and oppression.

[@harrietharlow9929]

Really? I am a Christian lady, a nun, who covers fully. This is not required by my faith, but this is between God and me. I have no man telling me what I must and must not wear as I am a bishop in the church to which I belong as well as a nun, so pray tell, where is the oppression? Even when a woman wishes to cover fully of her own volition, she faces possibly being forced by law to remove it. Is this not oppression as well?

[@seaglass2401]

doha debate is the best!

[@atheekazaath6611]

awesome mehdi

[@Electronite1978]

I am liberal and I do feel (emotional response) that the covering of ones face is very strange and undesirable phenomena. Then again as a secular I can not understand (intellectual response) the idea to ban certain pieces of clothing. There certainly is a religious baggage with this particular piece of clothing as it can be consdired as symbol of oppresion. Then again it can also be considered as a symbol of religous freedom and religious modesty. In honesty I hate the idea of people covering their faces (emotion). Nonetheless I don't think there is any rational argument to ban it. My or anyones feelings can not be the decisive factor in this matter. As long as women choose to wear veil and it is not forced unto them, they should be allowed to wear it. Since when have secular governments banned certain pieces of clothing, hair styles etc? To deny ones right to wear whatever he/she wants is against secular values. Only potentially rational reason to ban face veil in public are security and safety issues. Then again I am not sure if we can make a case that people with mask/veils etc. are a threath to the safety of other people.

[@serenityserenity5864]

I like the way you think

[@usmanghani16]

If you are liberal, then be liberal not conservative, there are many things of others which we hate, however we act liberal by respecting their choices

[@veronicaniklasson886]

I enjoyed your thoughtful comment. I thank you for not making it only about emotions.

[@adu5335]

@@veronicaniklasson886 I am sure it is not the pieces of clothing that's being banned. It would be ridiculous to ban mini skirts or hats or some hairstyles and so on. I am sure if the face was covered with a Spartan helmet or a clown's makeup or even a funeral hat that comes with a Vail which is worn by western women, they would be banned too. Therefore it is the covering of face in public that's been banned. One can go nude in his house if he chooses and not be breaking the law. But you couldn't be in public spaces in the nude because it it breaks the law. We first identify people by their faces. I am sure if you see me roaming your streets with my face hidden behind a mask you will be scared and likely call the cops. So it's the face they don't want covered for reasons of facial identity but not because the cloth is hated or the religion associated with it is bad.

[@unieboy5]

I agree mostly with what you said, except that technically the face veil is not a religious thing, as it has no basis in Islam. I am a Muslim, and even I feel uncomfortable when I see people wearing the face veil. You're right, however, in that it should not be banned by law because of the oppressive nature of such a thing.

[@yourstruly1234]

I dont get Mehdi's argument that there should not be a law because it impacts a very small number of people..You make a law based on whether it is right or wrong..Not based on the number of people impacted..

[@None-self]

It is Europe's Criteria...

[@patriciacalunniato]

Thank you mousebryofite

[@jeffpowers1979]

Talk about a stacked audience !!!!!!!

[@shookreeseeree4]

The moderator is excellent..hard questions for both sides..

[@babs591]

Well the vote is a little unfair when 3/4 of the audience are Muslim 😏

[@robcharteris1756]

Bullshit... Thats like asking a room full of Fox hunters if we should ban fox hunting.. Are you that dumb!

[@ayshas288]

well they are in Doha afterall...

[@cyberanon2463]

If this was happening in france and 3/4 people in the audience were french, I would hope that you would mention that too for the sake of consistency.

[@roseh9193]

from what I understand, you can't wear a cross or crucifix or religious medal either - why do these people keep saying it's only about them

[@zigablay9476]

two GREAT journalist going head to head, others spectating....oxford vrs oxford

[@AZK91]

The way Mehdi and Tim bicker with each other makes me laugh lool

[@fernandezramon21]

Middle eastern faces are very beautiful if not the most beautiful faces on earth. The skin tone too, not too dark not too light. If I were the creator of these, I would not mind exposing the beauty for what they are, so why the covering? If the veil is not a prescription in the practice of Islam, what is the reason? If this is borne out of the fear of men that beauty such as these might be an object of lust then the men with that kind of mental disease must be the one hidden or locked up, why the women? If the husband fears that other men will take away their wives then the women does not have to hide their faces, the men should try to be better husbands. Ralph Waldo Emerson said it beautifully: "If eyes were made for seeing, then beauty is its own excuse for being". Emerson is correct.

[@OfftoShambala]

Beautiful sentiment. I think the reason may be two fold and I am only guessing. The practice of covering the face with a cloth is probably because the sandy geographic area from which they come probably commanded the use of a face covering so as not to breathe in fine dust and sand. As time wore on and Islam spread, it's use evolved into some kind of religious rule. But, it would be interesting to look into the real way it came about.

[@fernandezramon21]

That could very well be. Like you I believe it just evolved to avoid grit. Still it draws stares and scares especially in countries without the Arabic sand. Not that it is any of my business. Women could cover themselves up or better still, go with the barest. nonetheless, if this is becoming a statement of "I am hollier that thou" thing, this could spark indignation. For this, I pity, the very attractive women behind the veil.

[@hermanrowell3081]

who are you trying to fool it's men covering their sex objects and all men know why

[@drkbala2009]

You Pundits, it's a question of revealing one's identity, you cannot hide your face to the person you are talking to, because it is a question of showing respect to the person you are talking to.

[@aaayhvcvb3219]

By that logic face masks would be banned even ignoring the corno the face mask was never banned

[@SanderKivi]

Great moderator, hands down.

[@hamidsaleh27]

Mehdi the best debator

[@intelligentleader123]

How many churches do we have in Saudi Arabia ? In most Islamic countries, will they allow you to build churches ? France please don't allow the veil

[@karaoglan4085]

well you want to live in a state like saudi arabia. ok then.

[@Dave_chappellee]

47:20 the look on Jacques face is an absolute image of how a defeated person looks like.

[@northernlightsssg9540]

what an amazingly intelligent and powerful person mr Hassan mehdi is..I'm so impressed by his way of debating...

[@shahrzad7026]

Hassan need somebody like Ayan Hirsi Ali,to shut him up completely !

[@creevey82]

What I don't get is this: why is this a major issue? It's Frances' choice. No other nations or groups. When I went to Dubai, for example, I was told not to kiss my fiancée in public, as that is considered 'offensive' there. I respected that, and did not. But I certainly didn't come home, and start a debate about it. If the French don't want the veil, that's their choice. Simple solution if that offends you: don't go there.

[@halabi97]

How about leave the choice to the women to wear what they want instead of france? based on your logic why didn't the allies let hitler do whatever he wanted? It's individual choice, not country choice

[@creevey82]

Your first point is actually, exactly what this debate was about. But to summarise, France sees itself as secularist, and integrationalist. Their choice. As for the Hitler remark, I hardly think comparing the mass extermination of peoples, and forceful annexation of countries, to be comparable to requiring people to remove a piece of cloth. Just spouting the name 'Hitler' is not an 'auto-win'. And individual choice does not either, ie: I could CHOOSE not to pay my taxes, that simply means the COUNTRY gets to put me in jail.

[@jimbojones7340]

halabi97 Muslim countries can force a girl to cover up and not wear a skirt or a tight top just because they don't like it but France cant force a girl to take off a hijab for security reasons? Covering the face is a security risk. You don't know who is behind the veil. A muslim man dressed as a woman recently to run away from the police in England without being seen. That is exactly the reason why France have banned the covering of your face. It is so we can see who you are,

[@jimbojones7340]

It is a major issue because Muslims insist on forcing their opinions on other people and wont shut the hell up and leave the country. I think that is the only reason.

[@halabi97]

Jimbo Jones When have Muslims try to enforce their opinion on you?

[@zazzledelacruz6036]

I'm American. Can I come to France and receive government financial support like the Muslims.? Awesome.

[@marcostation1000]

The doha debate AKA petrol money rule the information .

[@holyhelena2]

We came as immigrants too. It was hard. As it was for everyone else. What happened to that struggle? Or do you just feel you can ask for ridiculous "rights" because your ACTUAL ALLEGIANCE is NOT to the WEST?

[@blondie7341]

👏👏👏

[@inder19852000]

I am not against veil which covers only hair. I am totally against Niqab, where a woman can´t show her face.

[@elboudali_hamza]

+tony thomas Correction. "Won't wear the veil." because they CHOSE not to

[@crusty7208]

i could told you how the voting would go at a mere glance of the audience...when an audience looks like chess board thats a clue that the vote will not go well for such a proposition.

[@mukuthasan2863]

great

[@marilynverick2544]

One look at the audience at the start of the debate and you’ll know what the vote will be.

[@teehee1604]

If I was in a shop and one of the checkout workers was wearing a veil, I would join a different queue. If I walked into my GP surgery and the doctor was wearing a veil, I would switch to a different practice. If a child of mine walked into a class and the teacher wore a veil, I would change their school. This is not a question of race, religion or culture. It is an unquestionable fact that it is impossible to relate to or interact with anyone if you cannot see their face. A fundamental component of communication is non-verbal, with facial expression being absolutely key to that.

[@AmusedChild]

Agreed. We do not allow facial covering in the library - end of story! Do you know who tries to wear them in my experience? Young men up to no good. Why should societies allow women to cover their faces when none allow men to cover their faces in public?

[@teehee1604]

AmusedChild Exactly, if we're going to allow women to wear the full face veil, then why should we make men remove their motorbike helmets when they enter any public place? Is that not discriminatory? What I hate most of all is that it's become one of those topics where you're branded "racist" for speaking out against face coverings. But hey, that's the political left for you, all in favour of freedom of speech as long as you agree with them!

[@Political-Satire]

teehee1604 what "SOME" Frensh decision-makers and citizens should have in mind is the word INTEGRATION instead of assimilation. It is not fair to impose on women that wear a viel as a response and faithfulness to their religion to take it off simply because you have passively developed stereotypes about them, and saying that your safety is on showing their faces like you do. If you take the argument that wearing a veil belittles women's status and and connotes descrimination, ask yourself whether they are enforced to wear it or they are chosen to do by their free will? and islam has nothing to do with enforcement of wearing a veil !? employing a partial, selective and subjectilve secularism is a dangerous thing that can lead to a conflict wherby no one can live in peacful environment. Integration rather than assimilation is the solution for a stability and coexistence of many diverse communities that can form a national body and acheive a real democratic state insead of only giving a tongue to it.

[@teehee1604]

Smiler Ismail You've completely missed the point. Yes, women are free to wear the veil, but if it's going to stay that way, then I'm going to exercise my right to refuse to engage with them. I can not and will not talk to someone who will not even do me the courtesy of showing me their face. It's as simple as that. I don't give a toss why they're wearing one, as that is a separate issue.

[@Political-Satire]

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[@faa633]

Thanks to the only intellectual and respectful people Mehdi and Nabila👍🏼at least they are indeed free minded

[@onlylexus]

Unfortunately I was forced to close down my camping shop the other day, due to turn downs in the business area I was in. I wondered what I should do with my vast stock of tents that weren't sold and were left in my stock room. The day before closing the shop I was tidying up and getting ready to throw out some gear that was no longer viable to sell. So, on going outside to the trash bins to dispose of the unwanted stock, which was down the alley by my shop, a Muslim woman approached me and asked "I notice you are closing down, do you have any tents that you may be letting go for cheap, I'm looking for 30 or so tents for my family and friends?" I smiled at her and thought that I just might have some. So, I invited her in through the back door to where the stockroom was. I then said to here "Take a look around and see if anything here interests you". She thanked me and began to rummage around lifting boxes here and there to get a better look. After a while I asked her what particular size tents she was looking for, her reply: "I was looking for the 8 man type of tent if you have some", she said, hopefully. I began to thank God there and then, because I had 20 left of the 8 man tent variety, and now I might be able to sell them to this lady, and just in time too and before closing down the shop that very day. We talked a price,she haggled a bit, but at last I managed to get the lady to pay £400 each for the tents, she paid me in cash too, wow! I was so lucky to get all my stock cleared and make a killing too! As I stacked the last of her tents into 3 piles for her, that was by now 6 feet high, the lady took hold of one of them and began to open it, I presumed so as to check their contents. As I watched She slid out the long tent poles, the guy ropes and ground pegs casting them aside, only retaining the tent itself and then putting it back into its box. She did this with all 20 boxes, which took some considerable time until there was a huge heap of discarded items on the floor, other than the tents themselves of course. Since I had been looking on, while she had been doing all this unpacking and re-packing, I just couldn't help wondering what the hell she was doing, and why she didn't want to keep the other stuff, only the tents themselves? But I had made some money so said nothing, after all, a sale is a sale. Just then the shop door abruptly opened and in rushed a crowd of Dark haired Muslim women with their hands over their heads, looking kinda worried. I called out" "Sorry we are closed". One of the ladies quickly replied: "Its okay we are all with her, we all went shopping for tents", she said, pointing to the lady who had just purchased the 20 tents from me. "Oh, That's fine, come on in", I replied politely, "She got lucky and has bought 20 of them from me", I said with a smile on my face. Then All The women began to wander around the shop, opening doors here and there, three of them even went out back into the kitchen where I made my coffee and prepared stuff for lunch, usually out of bounds to my customers. I began to wonder what the hell they were doing, and what the hell they were looking for. So perplexed, I turned to the lady who was just putting her purse away back into her hand bag, after having paid me for the tents. "Sorry" I said, "But what exactly are you and your lady friends looking for?" She glared at me and then replied.......... "The changing rooms of course! Or are they called 'fitting rooms' here? We need to try them on for size."

[@shiapeace8212]

Go mahdiiii!!!

[@nabimuhammadsaw1]

fuck mehdi...

[@shiapeace8212]

lol okay bro

[@SuperRegmac]

Yea go back to an Islamic country

[@usmanghani16]

We love mahdi

[@bornfree6875]

I'm with banding the viel

[@stevencage89]

god bless you

[@amber_limitless]

I never ever seen a intellectual man like mehdi ....they way he respond .the way he relate facts & give example is just woooww.... his ulterior motive is just to win debate ..& every time he proved it

[@americanfools2008]

He is lying to you ! we have 20 millions muslims in france !!! they are making our lives hell !!!!

[@robcharteris1756]

It is true. I find veils insulting and divisive.

[@juliusstewart4619]

how. a woman covering is divisive hmm but a woman half naked is freedom.

[@cyberanon2463]

Putting strict laws on minorities is more divisive

[@robcharteris1756]

@@cyberanon2463 not sure what i think now. That wss 6 years ago. I think the mask mandates were worse tbf.

[@cyberanon2463]

@@robcharteris1756 I agree but do you still think the face veil is insulting?

[@robcharteris1756]

@@cyberanon2463 good question. I guess no one and no culture is perfect. I think in an Islamic culture I should respect Islamic ways and that respect should work both ways. I also think Western culture has become nihilistic and amoral. In fact it's just a culture of self. It's pretty clear that Islam has been weaponised by US (globalist) policy and if they hadn't meddled in the Middle East we probably wouldn't be having this discussion. God Bless

[@khalifayasin4570]

Wearing a veil or burqa is cultural, Islam only requires women to wear a hijab. France is a secularist state and because the poll to keep the veil out of the society reached over 80%, we should accept that if we are going to be living there. Regardless if it may violate a freedom of wearing what you'd like, there is no need to expand the topic, it will not improve matters.

[@beigeholland60]

Right, and we as a society have decided you can't walk around naked either, much as many, many people would love that.

[@yloading209channel9]

I am shocked that when the lady for ban said husband forces their wife to wear hijab, then I wished the moderator or Mehdi should asked in the crowd a ? To a married women wearing hijab if their husband forced them? 🤔

[@Ahmedqamislo]

But how is that fair of course they are gonna say yes

[@nielserikhchristensen3301]

The funny thing about ban the burka was that an algerian business man said he would pay the fines. Then Algeria banned the burka. 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@AliKhan-vd7fe]

Mehdi, MashaAllah, nailed it to the best of logic and height of argument!

[@Fitplayer66]

Did Hassan really make the argument that banning the veil is wrong because a husband imprisoned his wife inside the house instead of her being imprisoned under her own veil? Did he realize what an insanely stupid argument that was?

[@reader3007]

its not stupid, kind sir. he said in the beginning he does not like the veil and he knows there should be something done. but later he also says HOW it should be done. if you ban the veil, these women will disappear in their homes but if you let them move about, they will interact with society and then you get the chance to make an argument. What part of this did you not understand? the incident of a man willing to lock up his wife if she cant wear a veil is a case in point for this ban backfiring and being - as mehdi puts it - self-defeating! how do you think her being imprisoned in her house is better than her being imprisoned under a veil in public where she has a chance to be seen and rescued altogether?! do you see the imbecility of YOUR argument?!

[@reader3007]

***** sir, you are mixing two things. you can charge ANY man who imprisons his wife in his own house. It has nothing to do with him being a man who insists on her wearing a veil. If you wish to prosecute such a man, you have no trouble doing it, because it is a crime, even without the law that bans face veils. Therefore, this is no sound argument for a ban on the veil.

[@reader3007]

***** i think you are also being very unfair in saying that mehdi wishes so force everyone to accept the veil when he not only states openly that he doesnt like this practice but he ALSO GIVES solutions as to how to tackle the problem of this practice. He not only acknowledges that it is a problem, he also gives suggestions on how you could solve it in a democratic and enlightened fashion. how can you say he is forcing anyone to accept something when it is YOU who support a coecive means such as a BAN?!

[@usmanghani16]

No it was absolutely fab ! Listen to the entire debate first

[@heatea5255]

@@reader3007 If they are willing to imprison themselves for that veil THEY are the problem we shouldnt cater to them

[@user731akdj]

20:06 😂😂😂😂 My man hit the nail on the dot of the head 🎯🎯🎯🎯

[@darrenloke5486]

Yeap. The first time I’ve seen Mehdi owned.

[@ICEGTN]

How do you know that I live in Switzerland?

[@kokoth]

Debates held in Doha? Haha I've seen it all. I hope nobody on the side speaking for the motion was arrested on the way out.

[@yamaaniabshir9222]

2019 for mehdi hassan.

[@myrnaleon8464]

No way! Meh Di Hassan is arrogant! !! !

[@cyberanon2463]

​@@myrnaleon8464 He is clearly not. He is very intelligent and sharp which is probably something you lack.

[@arishkhan-lz8yz]

good debate

[@TheNightOcelot]

Heck! The Moderator should stay candid and not take any side. This one on the other half is aggresively attacking secularists.

[@boxerwayne6660]

Why are so many Muslims moving to westernised christian countries? Why dont muslims move to their own muslim nations for eg: Iraqis move to iran, Lebanese move to pakistan, afghanis move to saudi arabia, somalia move to syria and so on rather than moving to the west for instance, Australia, Britain, America, France, New Zealand, Sweden etc etc,!

[@iriszimbicka858]

Because the West destroyed most of those countries, so people are forced to move out. Don't just dream that the west is a better place, not at all.

[@boxerwayne6660]

The west is not better??? you are delusional your answer is so vague!!!!!! If its not better?? How come majority of Muslims are seeking asylum in the west rather than relocating to their own muslim countries I will tell you why? Its because Muslim laws, beliefs and traditions does not allow a human being to become a normal person. Muslim societies are not pragmatic in their thinking within government and every day living. If there is a disagreement or problems out comes the jihad or i will kill you and your family bullshit. Women are treated like shit they don't have freedom to express. the list is endless. Before you consider putting the west down ask yourself this question "Why did your parents chose to leave wherever you were in the Muslim world and relocate to the west and why do they want to remain in the west rather than moving back to any of the muslim countries and be part of what that muslim pride. The west rules and the christians will always dominate the world and thats true.

[@Mr.Jasaw13]

there is fair amount of those people who re immigrating ...but there is fair amount of converts ;) Islam is the fastest growing religion ! so yeh

[@SiliconBong]

boxer wayne Haven't you seen the sign on Australian immigration offices?? It says; FUCK OFF WE'RE FULL

[@boxerwayne6660]

BboyNitendo Christians will still rule the world and its well known in the West for instance a lot of christian denominations are growing eg; Catholics, Anglican, Mormons etc

[@thatspartofmyplan3056]

14:20 How many suicide bombings? No it is not a question of numbers. If loved ones of the person reading this sentence has lost his/her/their lives from a single suicide bombing, then just one bombing is a lot. How many people have to die from suicide bombings by terrorists wearing a burqa, before banning it? If the person killed is a relative to a member of parliament, is that enough? And if it is just plain Joe Smith, how many of them have to lose their lives before the burqa is seen as a security risk of suicide bombings? If we really value every single life, then if just one suicide bombing has occurred from persons using the burqa to deceive, then, if even just one person lost his/her, that one occurrence is a lot. This has nothing to do with religion. It has to do with security. Covering the main means of identification should be banned whether it’s because of a creed, culture, group etc. How can there be anonymous people going around in public? What if a person wearing a burqa, in the street, tells me that he/she knows who I am and will harm my family? Can I report this person? Report what? A moving black dress? What if a pervert is inside the burqa? Going around and saying stuff to children? Or worse! Face covering is risky, can be abused, opens a window to terrorism, and many other frightening happenings. The face is there for identification. Five persons wearing a black burqa enter a shop. One of them shoplifts. The security camera caught the act on tape. Police are looking for a person in a black burqa. This is why the burqa is ridiculous. Cover your head, your arms, hands, legs etc but covering the way you can be identified, thus deterring you from doing any harm to others, and cannot be identified, is a no no.

[@TiberiusMaximus]

3:03 Damn he's either constipated or is about to blow up the debate.

[@mikejames7116]

I think that anything that blocks the face and makes it hard to know who a person is SHOULD be banned. I have a hard time locating my clients when they go missing due to those "hoodies" everybody is wearing in certain neighborhoods. And they ARE wearing these things specifically NOT to be able to be identified by officials! It's dangerous and deceptive! Maybe that's a MAN under that burqa who might kick your ass! No blocking the face and obscuring your identity should be tolerated in this DANGEROUS world!

[@chrissyhammerer7019]

In case no one noticed. At 18:03 the guy defeats his own argument that wearing the veil would be o autonomous decision of the women. He says that the HUSBAND of the woman who was fined for wearing it announced that she would no longer leave the house. So the husband makes the decision that she will have to stay home. Free autonomous decision my ass !!!

[@jakommenterara1237]

He never said NO woman is forced to wear it, he pointed out that when this happens, this law will make it worse for some of the women that it claims to protect, since they will be forced to stay at home instead. It's self-defeating in every possible way. Not very bright, are you?

[@chrissyhammerer7019]

JaKommenterar NO YOU are not very bright and you just showed it. According to you we should just stop making laws against things that are problematic to stop. why not stop making laws against rape then ? Because many homicides after a rape happen because the rapist is afraid that the woman would report him. So we should get rid of laws against rape, h this would for sure safe some lives. You also assume that this law is only made for the benefit of one party but there is more to it. If you can walk like this in public space so it is not possible to identify you, then you are a security risk.

[@usmanghani16]

Its a patriarchical society

[@tonyrelignisilly3633]

Hmmm. 'a perfectly decent religion'. ... a contradiction in terms, n'est pas?

[@susup4300]

What's not descent about it ?

[@user-he4ef9br7z]

I am still undecided on the issue, the moderator is slaughtering both sides before I can make up my mind.

[@edenfinch5299]

Just one thing, how do u know who is who then?

[@TheSabatuer]

Mehdi Hassan: Great speaker, emotional manipulator, terrible thinker. The combination that makes the perfect Muslim apologist with zero intellectual honesty. A combination that is fostered and encouraged at every mosque i ever went to.

[@palodoxaliqua5809]

It's his job to have the upper hand in discussions and he is a very skilled talker which gives him a advantage over most other speakers regardless if he's right or wrong. Unfortunately he also seems quite egocentric and only interested in pushing his own agenda. Smart people are often incapable of allowing arguments made by other people - especially ones they disagree with.

[@TheSabatuer]

Good points, I never consider him having the upper hand tho. he is just a loud bully. With zero intellectual validity. You can polish, and dress up a turd and give it a British accent. yet it is still just a turd. I dont know why they still invite him to these debates. Or atleast they should recognize his debate style and find a counter opponent that is more aggressive and well verses, one of the many exmuslims will put him in his place soooo easily. Instead they get these betta debaters that aren't used to his aggressive, over hyped sometimes overboard debate style.

[@sajjaddtube]

Did you actually listen to the debate or just watched their faces with the volume turned off? Mehdi was the only one with some stats and facts. The turd was the French mayor, the emotional rollercoaster was farzana and the other lady was somewhat frazzled .... It's not about being a bulky. It's about the facts!

[@TheSabatuer]

dunno Ohh is that what we're suppose to do with a debate? people actually listen with the volume turned up? How Fascinating hahaha you're such a dumbass, no wonder rhetoric like Mehdi works on you. Go do some due diligence. Mehdi did nothing but try to exonerate Islam by using subterfuge and dodging the whole point of the discussion. I agree tho, the other debaters were just as weak. The french mayor was on point 100%, Islam and Islamic ideology has failed the litmus test of multi multiculturalism. They immigrate and hold ZERO respect to their host nations ethics, morality and secular values (which completely surpasses any 7th century myth like Islam) the whole issues has little to do with the burka and all to do with what it symbolizes and the risks concerns it poses.

[@sajjaddtube]

Well it's pretty obvious from your response that you went in to this debate with your mind set on islamophobia and hatred for people with a different perspective in the society. My point was not defending the burka , I actually don't agree with it, coincidently like Mehdi Hassan. Nor was it to defend Mehdi Hassan. My point was that in this debate, Mehdi was the only one with facts and stats. Politicians and emotionally ignorant people play on words. People who are looking for the truth, look for facts. And in this debate, Mehdi proved that. Now, over to you for more 'name calling' and hatred speech for Muslims and Islam since you don't know any better .

[@aceroger2568]

France government is right Even Turkey (a muslim majority country) bans the headscarf in public workplace and schools, and in id cards and passports you can wear headscarf in private places, but not in public/government where you need to be identified from face

[@DonCorleoneQ8]

Turkey lifted the ban on head scarves last month. They stated that it's against the freedom to wear what you want. So, the French government is not so right after all.

[@aceroger2568]

But for many years, Turkey had that ban, and it proved beneficial for their progress. Just compare the state of human rights and values of Turkey compared to Arab and North african countries. Stop being a tool, you can cover your woman at home or in private, but not in public where there seems no fucking reason to cover the face

[@aceroger2568]

Ataturk Kemal valued progress, and real progress for the turkish people Not for himself, but for the people Apostasy is not a crime in Turkey, nor do they have religious police force They even have a women's basketball team That's how you value people, by valuing the women. And you value women by empowering them, not subjugating them Islam in turkey is much like christianity in italy today, only valued for its historical and cultural values, not on its monopoly of morals and laws You don't see women in jerseys playing basketball in Saudi Arabia or Libya

[@abucr70707]

ace roger lol they need to cover because in the public place will be more people who can see her. but in the Islam it is not allowed to show the body to another man.. so they can only uncover in the privet place or home

[@aceroger2568]

dazmon assasin you sir, are one of the most ignorant people on youtube Glad not all people think like. Even muslims in Turkey would hate your comment

[@KarinainOZ]

17:50 Mehdi tells the story of a Tunisian-born woman in Rome whose husband was going to confine her to the home if she can't go outside without being fined for not wearing a veil. So why is the husband not up on charges for imprisoning a person? If the wife is not at liberty to leave the home, that's false imprisonment. Bring this husband and any other person who forces a woman to stay in a house in these circumstances up on charges!

[@Mr.Jasaw13]

I Swear by Time | Surah Al Asr Tafsir | Pt. 03

[@sabrinayounisaden6413]

Great debate.mahdi is soo inteligent

[@beverleyarthur2944]

Sabrina Younis Aden k

[@noboatiman]

mehdi is so brilliant, so intelligent and rely on the facts...and the moderator is very fair from the panel discussion

[@Janewomanpower]

Being in a time of covid now in 20/20. I wear it for safety but i could never wear it if i had the choice. Key word choice. But we know when talking about the burka, niqib, we cannot forget about the women who ate forced to wear it. But that is not the debate here.

[@politicallyincorrect9672]

Wear the face veil in the middle east feel free

[@juliusstewart4619]

the middle eastern countries aren't democracy but most European countries are democracy. there is a difference you know.