Activists hope mass rape trial brings about change in French society • FRANCE 24 English

[@edelbutler8027]

That man should not be allowed to skip a minute of court - he didn't feel sick when he was torturing his wife.

[@cynicalmushroom]

nobody cares about his comfort. he certainly didn't care about his wife's comfort!

[@susanbishop5228]

Lots of men care

[@Weirdkauz]

I am perplexed that a female would be willing to defend him. And in that little clip she seemed genuinely sorry for the poor old man.

[@user-gz5mx2nd5p]

@@cynicalmushroom I just wonder what happened to him that he one day decided that my wife means nothing and I will sell her and worse yet drug her every time I do that.

[@meaningfulmakings]

@@WeirdkauzMaybe she is cleverer than you think. She might be the only one who can flatter him enough to get him to stand trial. She might be being very cunning in her approach.

[@LunaMondhexe]

@@susanbishop5228 Probably because they can relate to him. Tbh I assume that everyone who believes he and his "friends" are innocent are grapists themselves.

[@user-gz5mx2nd5p]

This case debunks so many misconceptions about rape. That it happens when you are out alone, or wore revealing clothes or invited the rapist in some way or was young. . The victim in this case is a respectable woman, at home, asleep with a person she trusted the most and who was supposed to protect her and is older. Thanks for standing up for women globally who don’t have support or good examples of success of their efforts.

[@christinelee4780]

You left out the Stranger myth about rape and other violence against women. It's more likely to be an acquaintance or life partner

[@okaro6595]

This is in no way a typical case.

[@okaro6595]

@@christinelee4780 The rapists were strangers to the woman.

[@oum6544]

​@@okaro6595who were brought by her husband. But let's be real here, this is not what people mean when they talk about stranger rape.

[@user-gz5mx2nd5p]

@@christinelee4780 absolutely. Thanks.

[@thekittyqueen3495]

What disgusting. depraved behaviour. The fact that 70 men were willing to participate in such a cowardly, horrendous crime is deeply disturbing.

[@lambchop6278]

They're all perverts and sickos. Sadly they exist out there in enough numbers that the internet can now help easily organise.

[@lolohellokids3211]

“Not all men “ as they say…😢

[@Find-Your-Bliss-]

Man or Bear? Bear. Every time.

[@Starting_anew]

@@lolohellokids3211 I know; we’re supposed to wait until ‘all men’ before we can speak out.

[@adw6894]

@@Find-Your-Bliss- Don't insult bears. Bears are not that sick like those men.

[@genevievedolan1288]

She is so brave to stand up in court and face down all those men who raped her. Imagine the strength that it takes to see them troop in everyday and know what they did to her. She is standing tall and putting the shame on them where it belongs. She comes every day in nice clothes and holds her head high, dignified with no tears. Letting them know she is not broken. But their lives will be broken, because they committed a horrific crime they thought they could get away with.

[@lifesize1119]

As they all walk in covering their faces. If I were in charge, none of them would be allowed to hide!

[@solar0wind]

​@@lifesize1119 Then it's good you're not in charge. The fact that people aren't forced into the open by media in some European countries is so important if you compare it with the US where everyone's face is plastered everywhere, just because they're suspected to have done something bad.

[@suavevalen]

He should have been forced to attend. Probably trying to find a way to check out and avoid consequences.

[@amandahall4992]

It’s a ploy to escape nd should not be permitted

[@toni6053]

I think it's just an extension of his controlling behaviour. She wants what was done in the dark to be exposed to the daylight, and he is denying her that.

[@meaningfulmakings]

Yes. He had the wellness to procure pills, organize rapes, set up cameras, administer drugs, do a bit of editing, go out and do some upskirting. Lie to wife. Accompany her to the drs visits, respond to rapists online. But not able to sit on a chair in a court room. He’s still trying to get away with it.

[@2degucitas]

Yes, most likely. He's a passive aggressive coward.

[@cathy1672]

What a sick husband and sick men to do this!!!! All their faces must be shown!!!!

[@fabmissb]

“Up to 20 years.” UP TO 20 YEARS?! Are you telling me that this monster can only get UP TO 20 years?! That’s absurd!

[@mellie4174]

Unfortunately, world wide, no one cares about rape inThe world. Children are raped and their abusers get 2 or 3 years in the USA.

[@sandrajune1172]

@fabmissb I agree with you he should get life, although at his age, it is possible he will never come out. What about the men he allowed to rape her? Do they get just a slap on the wrist???

[@okaro6595]

20 years is an extremely long sentence.

[@picadosinferno]

He'll be gone in another 5 years at most, but yeah very soft sentence.

[@tonis5140]

More than what you could expect in the US...which, understandably, isn't a standard.

[@Gypsywandering400]

Just want a moment to thank the policeman or policewoman who took that initial upskirting picture seriously enough to allow this horror to be brought to light. I hope Giselle finds healing and peace.

[@toni6053]

12:47 want to thank the police for doing their job? That's a low bar, don't you think?

[@Gypsywandering400]

@@toni6053 I agree. It’s sad that I don’t expect the police to do their job. I think they are often power hungry psychopaths, and there is research to support the idea that psychopaths are over represented in the police. This makes it difficult for good people who end up in the police to go against the grain and do what other police might not approve of.

[@iciajay6891]

She won't. As a survivor of csa. You never heal. Your soul is destroyed.

[@Gypsywandering400]

@@iciajay6891 I’m so sorry to hear that, for you and all others who have gone through this 😞

[@2degucitas]

​@@toni6053A low bar, yes. But, he investigated it as possibly not being a one-off. He went looking further.

[@Aerie925]

Rape isn’t taken seriously in the US either. Seems to be a common thing in every country that violence against women isn’t taken seriously.

[@ozdigg9254]

by men. Men need to change.

[@guinealove3744]

Thank you for saying this. It is because society is patriarchal. Men are used to having a say in the way the world is governed. In South Korea it was alleged that husbands formed groups to volunteer their wives to be sedated, assaulted, filmed and shared within the group website. The horror for these women was how little justice was served. The sentencing (if you can it that) was that of shoplifting a candy bar. It is alleged that the women could no longer function or simply remained in the marriage. Men have no respect for our bodies because the law has none. Geeze

[@jpowers7320]

@@guinealove3744I read about that. Also, there seems to be an increase in men say very derogatory things about women.

[@ireneszpara5616]

@Aerie925 very true....unfortunately don't know of any country where it is taken seriously....

[@jamesmiles4159]

Actually, rape is taken very seriously in the US as it is in most countries, with those found guilty drawing long prison sentences. The problem is though that it is often just a case of "He said, she said" with no evidence as to whether or not there was consent. And just to be clear, I'm not referring to this case where there obviously was no consent.

[@toni6053]

I don't think it's just France that is shocked. Women all over the world are horrified. Trying to elicit any sort of empathy for that pos is sick. Poor him having to sit in a chair and face what he's done..not! He's being allowed to carry on being controlling and abusive.

[@LPno.9]

Sympathy is the correct word here, not empathy.

[@NA-tf8dj]

In 2024 😢😢😢😢😢

[@nefarioussagittarius8906]

That’s the sad part - I should be horrified. I’m not. I’m shocked that people are shocked.

[@otiravla]

France is not shocked, in France it’s a common act, rape was forbidden and o talk about till 1960,70s . 90 percent of girls under 16 get rapped in France .

[@Ava2969ny]

Real men should be horrified too!! if any men are watching and listening to the details of this case and they, themselves, are not horrified, they need to do some deep-dive self-examination because this crime is an abomination! It's the level of evil that can only be described as demonic possession to be able to carry out a crime like this for years! It's 1000% misogyny and/or undetected mental illness...it's almost unexplanable how someone can carry this out for years!

[@vanessazannis5523]

Gisele Pelicot is a superstar 🌟🌟🌟Her strength and her courage is epic in the history of women defending themselves against men! Her victory is assured!

[@ireneszpara5616]

Absolutely!! When is the attack on women going to stop! Growing up I saw injustice happening to women. One was murdered possibly by a pos father.

[@ErnestPiffel]

Yes! I want to tell her how inspiring she is.

[@AyAReI00]

I bet thats why his husband hate her, we can tell she is strong willed and probably very straightfoward with her emotions, and if not wrong inread he admitted he did that to her cuz she didnt want to do some stuffs he asked ... SO is all about power, this coward disgusting psycho resent her for being strong and have boundadies SO he abuse her while sleep.... Clearly he get off of the power he had while she COULDNT consent .... Vile and deeply disturbing how MANY men think women don't have the RIGHT to refuse

[@NA-tf8dj]

In 2024 too 😢😢😢😢😢😢😢

[@HettiedeKorteDiplomaat]

Now he's weak. Right.

[@peace_oceans]

Both mother & daughter are heroes. I hope they find peace and justice.

[@jujutrini8412]

Gisele is such a brave woman. I have such admiration for her.

[@melissagray8411]

Abusers break down when they aren't in control any more.

[@iciajay6891]

That is why they abuse. It is about power and control over those they see as having no power. As a csa survivor.

[@sapphirecamera]

Thank you for setting the precedent, madam. She is a pioneer for the rest of us.This is happening. Don't let him get away with this offense.

[@NA-tf8dj]

In 2024 😢

[@dragonfox2.058]

The Weinstein stunt again "oh I'm a poor sick man!" feel sorry for me. GAH

[@lambchop6278]

Entitled narcissists feel unfairly attacked when they are at last held accountable.

[@Jenny-nz8fb]

Entitled narcissists feel unfairly attacked when they are told no!! What creepy weirdo’s these guys are! I hope all their mums, sisters, daughters and partners shun them completely. I couldn’t look at my brothers ever again if they did this!!

[@amusedBYfools]

​And Cosby's too.

[@GoldieBrown-pc6mb]

Fake, fake he is faking being unwell to make others feel sorry for him!!!!

[@karenlebron-morales8672]

You may be right! A man with so little empathy and compassion for the mother of his children probably has no thought about facing his actions, only about how others see him.

[@christinelee4780]

Let's hope that he doesn't play the mental health issue card

[@Reba-123]

Faking illness and leaning on a cane … as a disabled person this does not fool me for one moment

[@Kitchie26]

​@christinelee4780 even if he does, he will be confined in a mental institution.

[@Kitchie26]

Well, it's working for some

[@msjapan112]

Chemical submission? What a strange term yet again to decriminalize RAPE.

[@triciaamheiser785]

The term was used in conjunction with the term "rape", and in translation it might be direct translation, my french isn't good enough to know. Either way, she's an incredibly brave woman.

[@Aerie925]

They explain that chemical submission is when someone is drugged without their consent, so it’s still rape.

[@yehmen29]

I think it's an adaptation of 'chemical straight jacket'. Whenever I come across Thoreau's quote 'Most men live a life of quiet desperation', I think this is especially true of women, especially in patriarchal cutlures (where women are encouraged to stay silent). The medical profession have been enabling this, by prescribing psychotropes to women, medicalizing their distress. 'Mad, bad, sad'...

[@lolohellokids3211]

It only qualifies the type of action that has been taken to allow the rape to take place

[@hannahg.8572]

It's not a euphemism for the act of rape, the term chemical submission refers more to the "weapon" used, in the sense that this was the method he used to incapacitate her before the assaults. It's like saying a kidnapping victim was restrained by rope, that's not a euphemism for assault either.

[@LouiseHume-mo8du]

So incredibly proud of Gisele Pelicot ❤ Your strength and courage is Amazing. I am sending so much love and gratitude to you Gisele and your family ❤

[@massasvassa]

Rape culture is probably more common than we are willing to accept or think it is. France isn't alone in this, the world is in deep denial when it comes to this. As long as nothing drastic is done, It will remain as a fact of our society. The main difference on what happened here is: he got caught. If he hadn't, he would've continued. He can't simply be an exception. The "Me too" movement happened for a reason.

[@curtisalex456]

The fact that this has happened in France is not a surprise. When I was a kid, the way the adults talked about "their women" was traumatising to me. The way the adults acted towards "their women" was shocking to me. Women were being "sexually harassed" right in front of me.

[@user-gz5mx2nd5p]

@@massasvassa I couldn’t grasp how universal this phenomenon is and how ancient this is but now with social medias, secret recordings and access to cash for such acts made the world even more dangerous for women.

[@massasvassa]

@@curtisalex456 Happens everywhere, but yes, in certain countries it's more accepted to do so openly in public. And now Abbé Pierre, yet another can of worms of horror. Sexual crimes are far more common than people want to think it is.

[@massasvassa]

​@@user-gz5mx2nd5p This has been the case all the time, it's not a 'new' or an 'increasing phenomenon'. Social media/internet has just brought it to our homes/screens: we have more the access to the information on the fact that it happens all the time and always have, than we cared to admit to before.

[@tintinismybelgian]

There's a reason why Roman Polanski fled to France.

[@amandahunter4034]

What needs to change is that men need to take responsibility and police other men's behaviour. It's incredible that so many men thought it was OK to have sex with a woman who was unconscious, and that they did this based on another man's word that she was consenting. Her husband's behaviour was appalling, but those men's behaviour was equally abhorrent. Not one single man who saw his ads or attended the scene, not one doctor that she saw about gynaecological problems thought to say there was something seriously wrong in the way this woman was being treated? Of course there are decent men around, but how often do women hear them challenging other men about their attitudes and behaviour? Men need to step up.

[@inevski]

Why would they need to. Second class status suits the first class.

[@lambchop6278]

You don't believe that defence?!! They KNEW she did not consent. They organised in a chat room where the title was all about a woman not consenting AND were told to do things like warm their hands so that the wife wouldn't accidentally wake up whilst they were raping her. The HUSBAND said this. They are ALL sickos. A bunch of sickos who deliberately gathered together via the internet specifically to do something like this.

[@CoffeeCatsAndTrueCrime]

I couldn't agree more. As children, girls are taught all kinds of things to keep us safe. But for many it's never enough because men too need to take a few steps towards a safe society for their mothers, daughters and wives.

[@inevski]

@@CoffeeCatsAndTrueCrime Some may protect their own. Others absolutely do not, or think they can harm one as though it doesn't harm them all. Meanwhile we don't operate in a prosocial paradigm, it's a neoliberal everyone for themselves. Corruption and crime wins the day

[@inevski]

@@amandahunter4034 We cant move or breathe for the dad brand. It's on them what sons theyre raising, or mums theyre supporting. Are they raised to reasonably challenge men, or raised to unreasonably challenge women. The political economy we suffer.

[@joselenisolidum3158]

Only a max prison term of 20 years??? Very weak French criminal laws. Amend it. 😢

[@mikicerise6250]

We can't do that. Our lefty boyfriends wouldn't like it and they'd call us fash. 😭

[@SassySlater]

Is this per charge of rape?

[@SassySlater]

He’s 72yrs old. 20yrs means he dies in jail.

[@christinelee4780]

Calling it chemical submission minimises just how harmful being drugged and raped is

[@Pou1gie1]

@@SassySlater Yes, but what about the ones that are 20, 30, etc?

[@Weirdkauz]

Madame Gisele looks so elegant and holds herself so composed! What a legend!

[@MicheleNerio]

This is just so shocking. She trusted him, gave him a family. The violation is beyond comprehension.

[@Ava2969ny]

That's the same feeling I had when I heard this. For days I couldn't listen to the entire story because it left me with a sick feeling in my stomach that someone who shared 50 years of his life with her, could betray her on such a deep level, with no regard for the leve of physical, mental, emotional harm to her, was just beyond comprehension to me!!

[@beatpirate8]

are we feeling for him or her? she has not shed a tear or leaned on a cane. She is the one who was betrayed!

[@mikicerise6250]

*gasp* Far right rhetoric!!!! 😱

[@z90347UniversalMind]

​@@mikicerise6250More like far left vs far right

[@PersonalAccountNo]

Wth you talking about? "Far right rhetoric"?

[@Starting_anew]

There are countless untold stories of men who use drugs or other coercion to abuse women. I was one of them. Many are never charged. To hear that this even was brought to trial is a triumph. Some stories are too hard to tell.

[@leotardbanshee]

Same.

[@amandacarvalhodegenhardt8364]

My 78 year old mother told me this year for the first time that she went through that as well. Drugged, abused and recorded in mid 90s in a Dentist chair. The aggressor was my school friend’s married and “respectful” father who offered her a dental treatment for lower the price 😢

[@pennybyrd1058]

@@amandacarvalhodegenhardt8364 OMG! It seems we cannot trust any man to protect us.

[@chopsieflores4844]

Happened to me at 19. I never eat or drink anything handed to me by a man.

[@thisismetoday]

It’s funny how they’re always perfectly capable to commit the crime, but when it comes to taking responsibility they are too weak to do so (physically AND psychologically). SMH

[@iciajay6891]

They commit the crime in the first place because they are week pos thst need to abuse others to feel like they have power. All sex crimes are don by week pos that want power and control over those they see as week. When they are he week perosn to begin with. As a csa survivor.

[@sherryquast7463]

This is one of the most disgusting things I have ever heard… he should be forced to be in that courtroom every second of this trial… “he can’t sit that long waiting” tough… laughable excuse considering what he put this woman through

[@natashafranko4951]

Yes even if they escort him to court in a wheelchair . It's only because he has been caught . If he had not been caught , I bet he would have the energy to continue his disgusting behaviour .

[@stephfindlay]

I hope this trial also opens the eyes of people to attitudes towards women.

[@mugenjin205]

E.U justice system is soft. He was in good health taking pictures of those young girls and setting up the r*pes of his wife. And only now he is claiming to have health issues? he and all the other men need to face justice.

[@lemon1657]

Exactly, the judge should ensure he stands trial. It's the least he can do and he even gets to sit down the whole time so it's not physically demanding at all. His health claims are an excuse and even if they're not, the trial should proceed.

[@KayIveysspecialmessage]

The EU court is for countries, every EU country still has their own court system to deal with national cases. This case is being handled by a French court because it is one French citizen suing other French citizens for crimes that happened in France.

[@Weirdkauz]

Being found out and dragged to jail, publicly shamed... is quite bad for one's health.😂

[@childeater319]

weak prosecution and legal child 🍇 is common in the EU they side with preds not v1ctims

[@julieproctor6039]

stoning??

[@michelinedickey6405]

Its ironic that he expects mercy for himself. Certainly did not show any towards his wife. Judge sounds biased towards the guilty man. Disgusting travesty of justice.

[@lambchop6278]

If he was sick, he should be required to have a tv screen of the court case be playing live in his hospital room, with a policeman present to ensure that he has to listen to it all.

[@ohthechitchat]

How in Gods nane does anyone care about HIS health? Let alone his psychological health? The law will always find a way to avoid justice for women.

[@katiePetsy]

Up to 20 years? Absolutely disgusting. 20 years and a little snip snip with rusty scissors

[@susanrhein7546]

Can he also be charged with human trafficking, not just rape? Any law violations from the EU not just French law? Sounds like the mayor should be investigated too.

[@jl4260]

Over 50 men??! This makes me not trust any man. Like wtf.

[@LittleKitty22]

Over 90 men. But only 51 got taken to court. The rest got away with what they did, as usual.

[@Bebedollie]

All of a sudden the defendant is unable to attend the court hearings ? But he was certainly able to hurt and do disgusting things to his wife all those years!!

[@sandrajune1172]

Bad health??? Very convenient

[@jolorna3654]

How dare that man try to avoid court??!!!

[@rozaucja8612]

I am grateful to the victims for making this public. I think in no country rape is being fairly persecuted and punished. Most perpetrators do what they want.

[@karismith5079]

Gisele you have the support of thousands of women over here in America, Canada and several other countries!!! ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@JobHuntingAbroad]

All countries in the WORLD, women are horrified the planet over

[@YogaBlissDance]

This story is so so disturbing and it should be for men as well on so many levels. Truly horrific.

[@genevievedolan1288]

Chemical submission? There is no submission !! Submission means you accept something

[@ShannaNL]

bs. submission means you relinquish control, either consensual or forced. Born in 88 you should know better by now, eh.

[@flangekiwi]

No, it doesn't mean acceptance.

[@chairmanofthebored8684]

Pick up a dictionary and/or encyclopedia before you attempt to challenge words and definitions.

[@genevievedolan1288]

I apologize, you are right, submission means coercion, and is not in any way acceptance. I was trying to say what a dreadful concept chemical submission is where there isn’t even consciousness. But I absolutely used the wrong word.

[@iciajay6891]

Bro, it is just the translation. Relax. And this is coming form a csa survivor.

[@lealuckau9278]

Maybe he could be heavily drugged so he can attend the trial with no ability to defend himself.

[@JayCee-m4m]

As a non French person I note so much misogyny in their movies. Generally beautiful, vulnerable young woman and a less attractive older man. It's like time has stood still there.

[@Aspett0]

What movies are you talking about?

[@dammar117]

In this case, it's about an old woman. So while you do have a point about French cinema, this case goes beyond French culture. It's simple male perversity brought to light.

[@JayCee-m4m]

@@dammar117 you are correct.

[@socraticdialogue29.]

Almost all the men are married with kids...let that sink in..what if someone did this to their kids or wife

[@adw6894]

How does he feel sick? It's his wife who has been drugged and graped for years? Not him!

[@farhana6913]

This man violated his wife the most but also took sexual photos of his own daughter and grandchildren as well as his daughter in laws. And hes been nothing but entitled since expecting people to care about his wellbeing and blaming her. I dont care about his damn health he didn't care about hers

[@JosannaMonik]

Some people always try to blame the victim; she should have not been out with men she didn't know, etc. This is a prime example that there is absolutely nowhere that a woman is completely safe; not even at home with her husband.

[@azerty123qw]

I saw a documentary on Arte TV years ago about the rape culture in France ("Elle l'a bien cherché" from Laetitia Ohnona). It was just mind-boggling. The young woman complaining of rape was being interrogated in a police station. In front of her, there was a huge poster of Fifty Shades of Grey. On her side, there was a poster for a local swingers' club, together with a black, sexy, above-the-knee boot with pointed toe and super high heel exhibited like a trophy on a set of drawers. Then on another shot, the policeman was in a different room. Pinned on the wall hung a set of martinets... I was flabbergasted.

[@LittleKitty22]

Here in the UK, police arrest us grape VICTIMS and if our grape-ists are of a certain ideology that is above the law, then it's us that get accused of being the grape-ists. Even if we are severely disabled as I am, children, old women... we get charged with the grape of our grape-ists and arrested.

[@marlenemcmillan8891]

Just so crazy 😮😮😮 disgusting

[@toriladybird511]

Are we supposed to pity him? Hes a monster!!!!!

[@jamesmiles4159]

A lot of these men thought that because her husband gave them permission that made it okay.

[@gdaymates431]

What a load of BS. There's no excuse!

[@Evanthebat15]

He should be forced to attend, didn't feel sick when he was hurting Gisele. 20 yrs is a joke for what he did. Thank you to Gisele for making this trial public in order to bring awareness to the R@pe culture and expose these monsters. Stephanie Soo introduced this trial to me, she did a deep dive on it.

[@Weirdkauz]

I am perplexed that a female would be willing to defend him. Now I hear she's using rape culture arguments to do so? And in that little clip she seemed genuinely sorry for the poor old man. Why? How?

[@LittleKitty22]

Look at the state of the female lawyer defending him - she's not quite the full ticket, wonder where she broke out from!

[@iciajay6891]

​@LittleKitty22 she is sane. She lives in a society that rewards abusers and misogyny. And women can be misogynistic just as men can.

[@Weirdkauz]

@@iciajay6891 Very true, lots of women actually despise females and worship males, in fact, if no woman was aiding and abedding them, misogynists would die out within one generation. And yet... I don't get it. Why? How, in this day and age, a woman feeling this way, still does not outgrow that to understand how wrong it is, is beyond me.

[@LittleKitty22]

@@iciajay6891 Nope, I've seen an interview with that female lawyer that's defending the husband and I'm afraid she is not quite the full ticket. That's nothing to do with her defending a monster - she's in such a state that during more normal times, she would be in a rubber cell!

[@littleblackfox1]

Moneyyyyyyyyyyyy

[@marleengevers]

What a convenience "bad health" can be, eh ! He should be forced to attend court, his wife was forced as well.

[@veramae4098]

This is why I've never married. I would have to trust him, and I've never found a man I do.

[@wcwaugh]

How sad

[@leek.3671]

Agreed, I don’t think I could ever trust someone like that… I have my friends and my family and that’s enough for me

[@Mitty8504]

​@@wcwaughYes, it's sad that we have people in this world who lack empathy for others.

[@Emptytopfloor]

@@auroralights2759 yes we can blame every man. It is all men until it’s no man.

[@marilenaganea6578]

​@@auroralights2759so your husband and male relatives gets a sticker for being "good"... Even the "good" ones receive benefits from the horrendous acts of the bad ones... Wake up!

[@susannehuber3996]

If I see all these awful comments from men in this section.NOTHING WILL CHANGE

[@LittleKitty22]

Yup, as a fellow victim of multiple grape over several decades I am also shocked - though sadly not surprised - by this case and have watched several videos about it. Under each video the vile and disgusting comments from men defending the grape-ists and blaming the victim are far more numerous than the normal comments expressing shock and sending love to Gisele! When I briefly mentioned my story, men replied with "this doesn't happen, you just think you are irresistable"! And people wonder why we women stay single...

[@jmo2104]

Screw that judge

[@wilmabayaua8166]

Put him in jail no more trial. Life in in prison!

[@Pou1gie1]

I wonder if these two had kids. What a horrible thing to go through if these are your parents. Also, the trauma of being raised by a creepy dad and a mom who was his constant victim/survivor. It might also stand to reason that he might do this to his own child.

[@lakrimozzza8312]

I read somewhere that they have a daughter. On this man's computer they found a photo of his almost naked daughter where she is in underwear that does not belong to her. Unfortunately, I don't remember where I read it, I can't give a link.

[@Zozette27]

She has a daughter and two sons. All three are standing by their mother. The father also secretly took semi naked photos of his daughter as well as photos of his two daughters-in-law which were taken while they were in the shower.

[@VeginMatt]

@@Zozette27 I heard that some of the pictures indicated he had likely been drugging his daughter (and maybe in laws) to get the undressed photos. No evidence yet that they have been raped too.

[@inevski]

Interesting discussion about a country's rape culture. Why confusion though about what reproduces rape culture. Simple sexism, chauvinism, male violence waved on. Well documented and thoroughly researched. Meanwhile the victim wouldve known something happened and was happening with the numerous offenders. Something in the news narrative there does not stack up. Chemical submission and the medical industry. Why is this being invoked. VAWG is not submission. Poisoning is not consent

[@klem4159]

He cleaned her post rapes and likely used condoms to collect sperm.

[@iciajay6891]

Stfu. Who cares if she knew or not. Most victims are not believed unless they have video proof of being raped. Jsut saying you were is never enough. You are siding with abusers for this comment.

[@julieproctor6039]

They used chemical submission on Elijah McClain during an unlawful arrest. No real consequences essentially. He died from ketamine overdose. They tried to label his horror and defending himself as excited delirium. Absolute hogwash. Chemical submission by cops is already here. No medical personnel needed

[@annmarieknapp]

This man is evil. Pure evil.

[@anastasia10017]

you know what else is crazy in this case ? One man puts an ad online to come SA his wife, and almost 100 men show up.

[@agriope2334]

So the defense gave up on the verdict and is already working on lightening his sentence. Tells you everything about the case against him!

[@tintinismybelgian]

There's a reason why Roman Polanski fled to France.

[@amusedBYfools]

The pedophiles go to Thailand and the Tate brothers went to Romania.

[@littleblackfox1]

​​@@amusedBYfools sadly its true, these days the pedos and rapists (who have a plan), just go wherever there's a poverty stricken population, so they can exploit the women and/or children, knowing theres no coherent or functional police force to protect them or get any justice.

[@pscar1]

Yes, but the Swiss and the Poles have also been protecting him

[@tintinismybelgian]

@@pscar1 What's their interest in the matter, I wonder?

[@JobHuntingAbroad]

​@amusedBYfools there's a lot of dodgy men in Cambodia too

[@cm1642]

NO MERCY!!! His lawyer is a disgrace.

[@fabmissb]

Wonder if Catherine Deneuve and Brigitte Bardot have anything to say this go round?

[@diannemcbeth7428]

Beyond perverse.

[@aspcia]

20 years is crazy. Should be much more than that.

[@dammar117]

At 71, 20 years is enough. Not so for the younger perpetrators, though, who will still get to live a live after serving 20 years.

[@Vee_of_the_Weald]

I grew up in Paris and there - especially in the Métro, showing any skin and/or looking at a man in the eyes WILL be seen as being provocative/a seductress and lead to men harassing you or worse, and women warning you that if you get attacked, don’t come crying because you deserved it. It’s insane!

[@julieproctor6039]

Also on public transit in Italy, London

[@BritInvLvr]

Oh….now he gets sick.

[@jadedjhypsi]

This is the first I am hearing of this and will research so more but as far as the court appearance, why don´t they just use Zoom or some other video call platform? It because normalized during Covid so not sure why we cannot continue with that practice in cases like these?

[@nightingalesastra5451]

No, no Zoom. He should be there in person to face the consequences. He should not be allowed to hide.

[@jadedjhypsi]

@@nightingalesastra5451 I agree but they also should say he has no excuses.....

[@KarenTski]

Doctors usually brush off older women telling them to calm down. Many older women would agree with this

[@isabelleg9118]

Did her husband make these men pay for doing this to his wife?

[@Buzz0216]

No, he did not. Not sure tho which one is worst

[@isnoozeulose]

Search: Rotten Mango, 7 husbands. They should honestly look into the possibility. Hopefully this brings more awareness and strengthening of laws/support to help victims. In the case of 7 Husbands, I wondered if those victims felt threatened to seek leniency for the perpetrators. I hope there's proper counsellor to help de-sensitise the victim then ask for their opinions.

[@isnoozeulose]

They should honestly look into the possibility. Hopefully this brings more awareness and strengthening of laws/support to help victims. There's a similar case, 7 Husbands shared wife. I wondered if the victims felt threatened to seek leniency for the perpetrators. I hope there's proper counsellor to help de-sensitise the victim then ask for their opinions. (Repost cuz not appearing..)

[@alicepaul6276]

He sold the rape videos and pictures online.

[@ccsretreat1513]

Chemical submission? Still not taken seriously,smh. She was chemically restrained, in fact.

[@royceroyce7715]

I imagine she felt sick and her health deteriorated, but the sick f never stopped or cared. Why so much gentle care for horrific abusers, but not the same for the victims who survived their torture? In many countries, if you as the victim don't show up, they rule against you and clear your attacker, or slap them with mere community service if the state brings it on your behalf, bc it "obviously didn't matter that much if you wouldn't come to court." Why is he getting an ounce of compassion from a justice system that regularly penalizes the poor and mentally ill, who similarly have health problems flare up or implode with the stress of a trial?

[@victoriakennedy4811]

If he is so sick - what about her - she is really abused, and he is not there to explain himself - Why do they not have a Zoom on him to speak - he was not sick the other day when he was looking up girl's skirts in the shops.

[@Dubaifinedining]

Living with this man your entire life and not knowing what he’s capable of, truly shocking. Or better yet, no other family member, sons, daughter, no one could tell a thing. Nobody is that good in hiding its true self.

[@Kikinz87]

I wonder if these people do this to others. Like is it a ring

[@carinakaron8068]

This is an unbelievable horror.

[@lovelylipbonesouwwwwwwwolv2198]

This is so sickening how could a husband betray his wife in this horrific way!?! I'm just glad she is alive to stare down each of these monsters and watch justice being served!

[@jolorna3654]

Investigate monsieur le mayor after his comments too. Only the guilty could downplay this depravity and how widespread its evil is.

[@jenna7397]

This is such a sickening crime

[@annwood6812]

What's wrong with zoom?

[@VeginMatt]

Poor baby can't even sit up in a chair, waah. Its a shame that video taping him lying down in a vulnerable position is considered inhumane.

[@mariadegan1029]

Well how handy for him🤔he got sick just when he was needed in court!!🤷🏻‍♀️ Cheers and more power to Gisele and her daughter👏

[@Humanity_Hope_]

Never before Men and Teens have been exposed to Porn like today This is shaping the way they relate to other Humans The intensity and frequency of the exposure is unprecedented

[@missfriscowin3606]

I absolutely agree with you 100 percent

[@susanplatt5331]

I agree, somewhat but men have always been this way.

[@seitanbeatsyourmeat666]

@@susanplatt5331agreed. This has been happening for thousands of years.

[@lambchop6278]

I think you're spot on. Internet porn is creating more abusers and traffickers.

[@childeater319]

​@@Super_Grover_infact its less today than it was before, now you dont marry the person you violated.

[@ChrisMorton]

What a brave woman!

[@advocacynaccountablity]

These horrors were brought to light (and law) because the police officers responded to an earnest call, and they took it SERIOUSLY.

[@victoriakennedy4811]

Those people that do not feel that it is a bad thing - especially men - what if that sort of thing was done to them against their will. They would not like being the target of rape - and forced to do things they do not want done to them. They have no empathy for women and their feelings - they are put into terrible situations.

[@joannejohnson7006]

I respect their courage to go through this process after the nightmare they endured. This is extreme and his heath is irreverent. This brave woman is opening up the doors for others to end the brutality of the taking of another person to seek sexual gratification and the trafficking that this clearly demonstrates I send my most profound condolences to this woman and am grateful to see the system supporting her truth. Rape can happen once and your life is forever changed by it. It’s a life sentence and he deserves the same in prison. And those people who actively participated are complicit and need to stand trial. Time is up and change is here.

[@jasminefrichtl806]

Condolences 🌹💗 to the women violeted- I am a victom of sexual abuse/domestic violence, retaliation from family & their friends after I called cops & CPS on abuser in our family & victom blambed, disowned when I needed family the most due to being gadlighting by doctors after diagnosed with menstrual anemia that turn into folate anemia allergic reaction to vitamin B9 that the doctor feels turn into Mega Blastic Anemia cause of blood work being abnormal and no further testing being done and no medical treatment for it while in the hospital and after I was illegally prematurely discharged before fully medically better due to his statement of my insurance running out and I told him there's financial aid the gives out to people in need he didn't listen to me-hoping she gets justice cuz I know what it feels like not to get Justice and to continue to get abused even if it's not directly mostly neglected now

[@Pou1gie1]

@10:50 She asked a question regarding the mayor, but the guest is talking about the lawyers??? The mayor needs to get replaced.

[@DavidDavidunderthebridgeChampi]

As a fetish, there is Sexual activity like this. However, this is done by consent of all parties. It is important to realize that the men involved are responsible for their involvement to insure that all parties involved have consented. If not, it is nothing more than rape. No different than the actions of the gang activity of things like fraternities or other groups of men. Yes, there are various kinds of consensual activity that defy some people find difficult to deal with. Perhaps, it is time to be honest about consent.

[@ckcnj9175]

This sends chills down my spine.

[@thebluetrain6797]

I'm sure that a lot of these men genuinely thought that because they had the husband's permission they didn't need her consent.

[@theoblongbox4909]

I want them to do whatever it takes to make this trial airtight, even if that means giving him days off. I don't want there to be ANY grounds for him to say the trial was unfair and be let out of jail or given a new trial.

[@BRunoAWAY]

Why no put the dude full mask? Protecting the worst of the worst? Why?

[@abbyl1449]

this is a travesty. He was totally fine until the time came to face the music. it's disgusting that even now he's given priority over his wife. he should be immediately seen by a doctor and forced to testify unless he's on his deathbed (and he's clearly not). and by the way, his mental health is completely irrelevant, his lawyer should be ashamed of herself just mentioning it.