Roasting The WORST Helmet in History & More Tire Explosions - The Wild Ones Podcast Ep.39

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00:00 What’s up with Pogačar’s riding position?
06:44 More hookless tire explosions
14:38 Is this the worst helmet in history?
18:52 Wiggle sold for less than £10million
24:17 Would you rather have rain every ride or 4 punctures every ride?
26:26 Would you rather give up bib shorts or wear them at all times?
27:04 Would you rather win the lottery or Tour de France?
28:30 Would you rather have Pogačar’s skills or Stephen Hawking’s IQ?
29:34 Would you rather win £1million or go back 10 years?
30:56 Would you rather ride without a saddle or with one crank?
31:56 Would you rather all your meals be too spicy or sour?
32:51 Would you rather never lose fitness or teleport with your bike?
33:55 Would you rather only eat energy gels or cheese from now on?
34:41 Would you rather ride with a squeaky BB or a half-wheeler?
35:30 Would you rather be mega famous or everyone forgets you?
36:50 Would you rather see 10 minutes or 150 years into the future?
38:43 Overrated/Underrated: Custom-made bike frames
45:15 Overrated/Underrated: Shakets
46:39 Overrated/Underrated: CBD
48:35 Francis’ next bikepacking trip (FUOTW)
51:26 Motivation and DNFing
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[@Silidons91]

Peak Torque had good commentary about hookless. Safety needs to be a sliding scale, not you’re running 2psi more and now you’re facing possible death. Your clincher tire says max 120psi, but you can pump it up to like 160psi before anything happens. How many times did this happen with clinchers?

[@lason999]

I think there was a chanel that tried pumping up tires on hookles way above the 73psi... hmmm, guess which chanel it was? ;) I believe that ISO put that limit of 73psi the same way as it is with clinchers and 120 psi. We just don't have much experience to be sure how it works now as riders, but I am kinda sure that manufacturers (especially in US) are not willing to put their customers at risk that much, that 75psi would kill them on a descent. BTW, I ride hookles myself with no issues. I ride them at about 60-65psi and comfort is superb, grip is superb, control is superb. Ofcourse it's hard to judge rolling resitance but they feel fast ;) Don't see a point of going higher (but i can imagine that heavier riders might need to). Also I hit a rock once on a descent at about 70kph and it was fine, although I puncutred the tire but it sealed fine. In the end, just a small scratch on the rim. In my opinion, the biggest problem is, that owners might not now that they run hookless and pump it up much above the threshold. I totally agree that it has to be solved somehow as nobody should be required to be a skilled mechanic to perform a basic pre-ride check and pump up his tires.

[@Silidons91]

@@lason999 I'm willing to bet anything that if you rode the same exact course on the same tire, hooked vs hookless, it would be the exact same result. thus there is literally no positive point to have a hookless rim. only positive if you're the one making and selling them.

[@lason999]

​@@Silidons91 apart from comfort of riding the lower pressure. And for the amateur rider it is supposed to be the most important.

[@Silidons91]

@@lason999 explain to me the difference between running the same exact tire and rim width for hooked vs hookless on a tubeless set up. Why do you believe you can run less psi than hooked.

[@ChrisRufus76]

Mousse is the Motocross term for Tyre inserts, they've been doing it for decades.

[@sparker602]

I don't speak Italian but I do speak French and there "mousse" is a pretty general word for foam. So I'm guessing they're mainly referring to what the insert is made out of.

[@ComradeMozorov]

@@sparker602can confirm mousse is also the moto x term for tyre inserts

[@KB-Riderwithabeard]

Only just found out about this podcast and it will be my go-to from now on. Bought a Triban RC500 2 weeks ago mainly based on the review you guys made and the podcast is a valuable extension. The chemistry between Jimmi and Francis really makes this as good as it is!

[@petermyers4409]

The trouble with Sports Direct, historically speaking, is that they don't sell goods of the same quality as you can find in Decathlon. You can buy some crap in Decathlon but a lot of the stuff is good enough to practice the activity. Which is why they are so dominant here in France.

[@zmuzzy101]

This is the big difference. Decathlon is surprisingly good quality for the money especially at the higher end the quality is brilliant. They're also very honest about the use cases for products. Sports direct takes the names of quality brands and destroys the quality and hardly decreases the price. Awful business!

[@quintennn]

In Belgium as well I'd assume most of Europe? What I find interesting about Decathlon is that way too many people still think that they are low quality. I think you often can't get better quality for the price, you can always get better quality at a higher price.

[@JoshFosterBikesAndEngineering]

Excellent podcast - listened on Spotify as soon as it came out. Please keep them coming, they're getting me through the horrendous factory noise by my desk at work 😅 insightful, education, and entertaining.

[@ploegdbq]

It seems a lost opportunity that they didn't put a shark's head on that helmet.

[@monochrome_linux]

Ah shit, now I see blåhaj on their heads.

[@paronetti6192]

the helmet looks exactly the same as the speed skiers used already in the 80s when they descend over 250 km/h

[@LaurentiusTriarius]

Simon Billy just did 255.5 last year, idk we plateaued I guess 😂

[@danielakerman8241]

@@LaurentiusTriarius you can’t beat gravity…

[@gregorysteffensen3279]

I used to do downhill longboarding at a casual level and some of the pro guys who were doing fast mountain runs wore really insane aero helmets like this too. Almost more surprised it took cycling this long...

[@THEGEEK2001]

True, also aerodynamics are squared ..@@danielakerman8241

[@gur262]

​@@gregorysteffensen3279id love to see curvy downhill road cycling races with bikes made for it. Likely longer with 2.0-2.8 tyres , slack. And guy martin wins.

[@snakeubowski]

Skateboarding got the 9 Club Podcast, cycling got you guys. Keep on the good work! 💪

[@Avioto]

I live for the packpacking content, can't wait!

[@YellowKneedMoose]

A long time ago, when I was still practising biketrials (rock/obstacle climbing with a bike without a saddle), we would often ride 5-8kms a day just to get from spot to spot. Every day. Never will I ever have such abs and core again. Did this for 14 years. Well done on the podcast journey though! Been listening in on every ep since birth, it's a joy.

[@imauxia]

Really like the would you rather. Keep doing it!

[@paulmorrison30]

Nailed it yet again ✊🏾👌🏾👊🏾🔥

[@pphaneuf]

Hookless for gravel or off-road, sure, but for road, no thanks! Just as Dov from Parcours explained in an older video...

[@sketch7]

Great podcast folks thank you. Have been and checked my Reserve 35 wheels which I’ve been riding for 2 years. Website says they are ‘semi-hookless’. They say: Currently, the limiting factor for hookless rims is tire compatibility and a limit on tire pressure. Full hooked rims on the other hand are typically heavier and harder to install tubeless tires. Reserve road rims as a result are semi-hooked, which means there are reasonable limits on tire pressure, no tire incompatibility issues and tires are easy to install.

[@jvogel431]

Quick comment: Phil Gaimon went back to the Big Island of Hawaii to re-take the KOM on the Mauna Kea climb. 56 miles from beach to top of the volcano gaining 14,000 feet (4300m). The final 14 miles is insanely steep and includes a long stretch of powdery gravel ash. Phil did it on a road bike with road tires. Crazy.

[@lolbubs11111]

He mentioned he had to get off and walk at times, though. He was planning to switch to a gravel bike for the loose part but his support van wasn't allowed up so he just yolo'd it with the road bike.

[@rob-c.]

Yeah from the video it sounds like he basically walked the whole of the gravel section

[@MrJohnnyTN]

Vittoria air liners are indeed ridable with a flat, but they are not big and boofie. They would not cause the tire to fly off. Even the second incident at SB.. the guys rim was cracked in two

[@litespud]

Yes - the foam inserts are closed-cell foam, so they compress when the tire is inflated - they only “puff up” when the tire is deflated, so they wouldn’t have pushed the tire off the rim unless the tire was already compromised

[@pphaneuf]

Getting an S-Works _and replacing a bunch of parts for fit_ is just epically expensive! Absolutely not doubting that getting those exact same stem/handlebars/cranks/saddle on a custom bike might come out cheaper!

[@virtualmartijn]

@8:48 Zipp's rims might be compliant but their own tire/rim combo recommendations are not. They still say 28mm tires on a 25mm internal rim width rim are OK which is in direct violation of ISO/ETRTO guidelines. @16:08 however: these are fully within the helmet guidelines of the UCI. According those guidelines it actually has always been allowed to wear a TT helmet in a road race (see the comments on the new POC TT helmets being worn by EF in road races). @17:57 you can have a prototype provided it is commercially available within 12 months.

[@texugooooo]

The perfume's cover cracked me up!!!

[@chrisridesbicycles]

Somebody HAS to play the Spaceballs theme when Visma rock up to the next TT

[@Leo-ii8nb]

If you go back in time 10 years you just buy bitcoin and retire...

[@Vixen1525]

Do it 15 years ago

[@dangrows_za4798]

Said the exact same thing. Dont know if I could give up my wife and daughter for BC tho. Tough one.

[@chipperollie]

Hiya! On your Decathlon video for the RCR pro, you mentioned it will be available in the AG2R spec. Did Decathlon confirm that include the AG2R paint colours? Thanks!

[@danielfisher-gh8el]

10 years ago when tubeless was new to road, and Francis will remember this, a few hundred of us riding the transcontinental went over the gravel roads around Alp Assietta Italy, all on road tyres and some of us on 23-25mm! Yeah there was punctures but a lot of us made it over fine.

[@ssmtb]

38:43 was expecting Francis to say we actually need a different custom bicycle for the morning/evening to factor the height difference 😂

[@timsemple9745]

Thanks for tip, Jumper was alright!

[@davidrock3959]

Weekends are great 😌

[@studioromeo]

Hey Guys. Could you mark this playlist as a podcast please? 🙏 Can do it within KZbin studio. Thanks

[@Atamanxxxvii]

On the conversation of one crank vs no saddle, I once met a German gentleman, ironically, who was an amputee, and rode with only one crank. He was ascending the Stelvio at the time, though sadly I don't think he made it to the top.

[@pphaneuf]

"Mousse" is French for "foam", so that makes _some_ sense?

[@jepulis6674]

Moose is English for a moose.

[@RenAigu]

The benefits for hookless are benefits for the manufacturer, more than the consumer. And i don't believe the cost savings are trickled down to consumers anyways. And if safety is the major downside, than just get rid of it.

[@workshopninjathe1st]

Mr De-motivator… hilarious

[@tonystrange7224]

Sigourney Weaver would have taken out the rider thinking it’s the alien on a bike 😂

[@jeremynorth]

Like the French, the Italians call it mousse because it man foam which is what we also call that material. Excellent episode, informative and as always, entertaining.

[@avocette]

Funny thing is, I have once foolishly ridden a cheap road bike on an XC casual ride on the rural mountain footpaths with babyhead rock gardens. I had 25mm tires, gotten a million punctures, kept on riding despite the flat tires and marred my rim flanges, but not once have my tires popped off of my rim 😂😂 Also, Peak Torque has released a video on a breakdown about hookless rims.

[@LaurentiusTriarius]

The worst helmet in history was the white styrofoam Lazer with a fluo sock on it I had in the 90's 😂

[@spen8467]

Mr De-motivator is excellent 😂

[@nige_breaks_bikes9782]

Running Vittoria inserts in Hutchinson tundras on my gravel bike … mainly to protect the rims as I had a tubeless blow out and trashed the rear rim. Could they make a blow out worse ? Any experience of this ?

[@kadenlindsey358]

Peak Torques video explains it well. Having the insert lowers the volume of air in the tire making the tubeless sealant not seal as well.

[@aarondelossantos8354]

The imperial officers' caps in Star Wars were most definitely inspired by cycling caps

[@thomasridsdill5898]

Mike Ashley has previously said he wants sports direct to become the "Selfridges of sport" which you have different sport or brand boutiques under the sports direct banner. The flagship store in bham that opened last year has the usual football, running etc but then Adidas, Nike specific areas and a whole Evans bike store on the bottom floor

[@jayobannon5359]

I got a custom frame during covid. It was the best frame I have ever had. I had another one built this year. (2 different disciplines). Like wise, best one I've had. With the cost of high end off the shelf bikes, building up a custom frame is still cheaper. Toe overlap was also an issue, which is not a problem on my custom frames.

[@dcltdw]

I think DNF has to be placed in context, which a friend did for me (we met via a running club): DNF is better than not starting Not starting is better than not training Not training is better than not signing up So yes, this is a bit of a whimsical race to the bottom :) but especially for Type A people (looking at you, fellow US peeps), I think it can be good to remember the broader context.

[@traversecitysufferclub]

Tadej was probably running 30/32mm front/rear, and somewhere in the neighborhood of 60 psi. Wanna bet? Cx racers get around the track on 35mm or less, so 30/32mm seems like a good compromise.

[@rolffuchs2737]

In CX 33mm is the widest tire allowed by UCI regulations.

[@mikeODVentures]

Just a quick question for the team or any bike lover: on 42:00min into the podcast, what is toe overlap on a bike? Awesome podcast, regards

[@davidrock3959]

I am pretty certain the problem with hookless rims is the missing hook and the lot of problems with hookless. I don’t think that the hooked rims are the culprit for these problems.

[@paulhugo1623]

Are the foam inserts expanding under load/heat?

[@derekhobbs1102]

I possess shackets from my younger days, but never knew that term until today.

[@snance]

The Specialized helmet sock got banned this week.. The Giro helmet can't be far behind.

[@kimrice394]

Had one tire just blow off rim. Specialized Tan-wall Cotton on a Wabi Sub-15. Unloaded from car, topped air off to a pressure within spec that I have ran 100 times. Dropped off a curb, crossed the street and 50yrds into path BOOM. Remounted foolishly and rode on.

[@PHHE1]

Everyone should not forget that pogi didn't only mention where he was gonna go 85km from the finish pre-race. He also did it with a saddle bag as, in fact, he might have thought this was a training ride

[@addiecusack1530]

Sports direct do have lots of sections now and I would imagine they will increase their bike section and use the wiggle and evans brands to enhance it. Like you say more competition for decathlon perhaps ?

[@AntoineThisdale]

28:15 Producer speaks. best part of this podcast. HighFives

[@leissp1]

the Giro Aerohead II helmet was designed following the UCI rules in conjunction with Visma Lease a Bike and appear to provide aero benefits. They also appear to allow the rider to look ahead down the road. Aside from the looks which I agree are over the top lets see what the UCI does now.

[@erlendsteren9466]

Stefan Kung rode the wc tempo 2023 with the worst helmet ever. The helmet was so bad that he chose to look down in stead of forward, and crashed really bad. The Visma Lease a bike helmet is different. I wonder if the design allows better forward view while keeping your head aerodynamically ok?

[@knutselaardre1272]

There is one thing that can never be overrated: Belgian beer! ... and just enjoy cycling of course.

[@thephoenixcycle8854]

Hopefully I can get service for my Vitus now with the Frasier Group.

[@8paolo96]

I raced the amateur Granfondo the next day at strade bianche, I can assure you that with my 30mm pirelli pzero race I was totally comfortable, the gravel roads sometimes felt smoother than the asphalt. And I'm Italian, and don't know where mousse in coming from, it's not an Italian word

[@smithandshortdogs]

Part of Jumper took place at my Uni

[@centeredcycling.isbipedalt9544]

Agree with Jimmy, more competition against the big brands and look at the results; Trek starts quiet shutdown.

[@tenaheffernan1368]

I replaced the Giant wheels that came stock on my Liv Avail Advanced 1 with DT Swiss wheels because the Giant wheels are hookless and the DT Swiss are not. I probably would have gone with Zipp wheels if they were not hookless.

[@garethskwarczek]

Jimmi - you should pop back down Cardiff soon and check out the new flagship Sports Direct store on Queen street. Evans Cycles, Sports Direct, Game all under one roof

[@bashimashi]

Jonas playing Viktor Krum 🦈

[@benoitbvg2888]

26:10 IDK about Italian, but in French "mousse" basically means "foam".

[@MarcoSimoneGili]

ALL episodes with PRO MECHANIC NICK 👨‍🔧 are wayy better than posh kid Francis! 😂

[@AwwSweet]

Actually Fulcrum Wheels published good article Hooked vs. Hookless, where they explained in details why hookless wheels provide zero improvement while adding risks.

[@beyond990]

10 mins in to the future, reminds me of the file "Next" with Nicholas Cage 😊

[@scoresandflames]

Mousse is foam in French and also kind of in Italian as well, so I guess that's why

[@billinhouston3291]

18:09 Jimmi, Harry Mac, and Chris Hall all weighing in!

[@dustinmhill]

Fusion cade should definitely be an energy drink

[@nadernayo]

love your podcast..

[@kylehagertybanana]

I think the helmet looks cool for TT stuff, no question that youre the most aero there(or at least the most committed)

[@Tbo1235]

New sports direct stores are sick. Limited cycling gear but that may change

[@user-cm7nm6nr8i]

You can clearly see the wheel being broken in the Strade hookless fault. If your rim brikes like that it is gonna cause a crash, no matter the tire system.

[@PinkBunnySlipers]

Road hookless are great if you are a light rider, if you are like me and the the very heavy end of the spectrum recommend tire pressure for my weight does not get low enough to even consider a hookless rim.

[@gearmonger8616]

Nick might be half right on the insert. Having ridden that tire on a hookless rim in a 100 mile road race, I was nervous but experienced no issue. HOWEVER, in moving that tire to a different set of wheels, I did notice that the sidewalls had gone really soft and bendy after only 250 miles on them. Combine the cotton sidewalls with that insert and irregular road surfaces (rocks) and you might have the recipe with a little too high pressure.

[@josephlatuscha8043]

I've been saying "why is no one talking about the damn foam inserts here" for weeks.... The large insert HAS to be sizeable contributing to the tire rolling off the bead, it's like a big a$$ dull tire lever at race speed. You may as well have a darn baseball bat beating the tire off the wheel say "see, told you so... it failed". I'm not exactly a light rider, I have three sets of hookless Zipp wheels, ride both gravel and road on properly set up tire/wheel combinations with appropriate pressures and I have zero problems.

[@norgtube]

The french call the inserts "mousse" cause it's the word for foam.

[@bpasquel]

The foam insert and the high psi is da reason why they xplode

[@Tbo1235]

Decathlon is so much fun

[@WredFawks]

"WYR eat only gels or cheese for the rest of your life?" Me, lactose intolerant: Flavor be damned, gels all the way.

[@ChrisRufus76]

Sports Direct only every have one or two crap Muddy Fox kids bike at the back, they haven't ever added a internal bike shop like Decathlon.

[@dylanl9532]

How would you be able ride with non-drive side crank ‘cause you would not be able to have chainrings

[@jepulis6674]

I absolutely hate the bike fit shite. It is ridiculous. Buy a bike online based on chart, swap the stem, enjoyed 15 years of riding. Could even swap it to an upright city bike with a tinsy bit shorter stem and new handle bars.

[@blueyhills]

well said.

[@GeneTantiongco]

South East Asian cuisines have sour dishes. Filipino and Thai cuisines to be specific have delicious sour dishes, like sinigang and kinilaw for Philippines ang tom yum soup for Thailand

[@GeneTantiongco]

Thinking about it more, Thai cuisine is both sour and spicy. Lol

[@jongoerke8983]

Dark Helmet from Spaceballs for sure

[@rickom]

Shoutout to Emily for F1 hoodie!

[@Xarx42]

Its a bit disappointing you didn't zoom into the new picture regarding the hookless issue, because you simply can see how the rim is broken. If he hit something so hard that he broke the bloody rim, it really doesn't seem to me hookless is the problem here. Manufacturing of hookless: zipp has already a patent to put on hooks on hookless tires, which I assume they'd use as a backup in case of a ban. That hookless should be just slightly cheaper to manufacture sounds odd to me, because before zipp wasn't able to recycle the mold, which, as far as I am aware of, they can do now.

[@workshopninjathe1st]

Weird shaped people will always say custom bikes are better. As a normal shaped person with many many bikes I am perfectly happy with most of them.

[@larryt.atcycleitalia5786]

I'd say the folks who think made-to-measure is worthless have a) listened too much to industry BS b) never had one made. Would you buy shoes in t-shirt sizes...as in "too small, too big or close enough"? GIANT started it all back with the ONCE team bikes...nobody said much when S+ or M- frames were made for riders who hated the things with flagpole seatposts and 13 cm+ stems.

[@workshopninjathe1st]

I have never had one made - but I’ve worked in shops where I’ve had more than one bike fit (serotta size cycle) and sell full custom fit bikes (not just using it as a tool to sell you a bike) Every fit I’ve had has shown the same - that I fit a stock 56cm frame - I know I’m lucky :)

[@ianparkes5097]

Emily fingered the culprit; it's the insert thingies. They take up a lot of volume in a skinny road bike tyre and they are not compressible, at least not like air. So hit something like a rock or a curb and the little bit of air in there has to compress a lot; the pressure shoots way above 73psi, and the tyre pops off. No insert and you have more air to spread the load. But the big issue for me is getting any kind of puncture or flat and there's NOTHING in a hookless rim to keep the tyre on. Adam Hansen is right; tyres should not come off. that's why hooked rims are better; hooked rims have got a grip on the tyre, inflated or flat.

[@denysbike]

But also last year there been at least 2 crashes because of hookless wheels, for example q36.5 pro team had a crash on zipps

[@stephensaines7100]

Cade 'rolls with the punctures'.

[@LoscoeLad]

I BOUGHT GP5000s 28mm for my back wheel yesterday.. and punctured at 9km. Then my oatches wouldn't stick.. and the core blewn out of my spare tube. crap 4000s before that - no puncture in 2 years! Are 5000s as crap as i now think?

[@DerekGreen123]

Obviously, your own personal experience is what it is (it sounds to me like you've been unlucky 🤷)... But just to give You and everyone else a positive counter-example. My last pair of GP5000 28's (non-TR) had minimal punctures and lasted 8000 Km. Riding on Latex inner tubes on horrible S.England roads!

[@larryt.atcycleitalia5786]

Did you expect the tire to be flatproof? What punctured it? Couldn't you have run over that last week with the other tires? Patches wouldn't stick. Why? The lady on this video says consumers should be able to change their own tires during the hookless explosion segment. Do consumers change the flat tires on their car? Joe and Jill Crankarm want bikes just like their hero races on....what does their hero do when he/she has a flat - the car just seconds behind hands them another BICYCLE! I wonder if the average pro could even change one of these tubeless, hookless, stuffed with a pool noodle, filled with sealant things him/herself? The daze of pros yanking a tubular off with their teeth and pumping a spare up themselves are gone. If you wanna be just like the modern pros you might need a follow-car these daze! Anyone who has ever worked in bike retail knows there are some bike riders/owners out there who should never be left near tools of any kind, for any reason.

[@derekhobbs1102]

I wouldn't go around saying no one suspects a cyclist. Here in South Australia, there was a spate of armed holdups in early 2000s by a person they tagged the bicycle bandit. He only just got caught a few months ago, and was a former police officer.

[@hectorvillagran177]

53:00 "you did the best you could at that particular point int time with the tools, knowledge, training, and circumstances that were available to you"

[@MarkusFolkesson]

I only have one spare tube, so rain for me.

[@konstpetrov]

Elliptic cycles exist, and they don't have any saddles. A lot of people enjoy riding them :)

[@newberg6thgradea686]

I have been running Zipp 303s wheels for 3 years now. I am 6'6" and weigh 245lbs. I run 32c tires with a rear insert and run 60psi in front and 65psi on rear. I have total faith in hookless rims. I believe that most of the failures are caused by user error not manufacturer.

[@adamanderson1212]

In regards to the Hookless issues: I wonder how much of the issue is due to accidental over inflation. For example, let's say the max PSI is 75 (I can't remember the exact max PSI number) and the mechanics inflate the tyres to 75 PSI before sending the rider out into a warm sunny race. Over the period of that race, surely the PSI will naturally increase due to the heat and other natural conditions. That surely would cause the tyre to be over inflated already.

[@dtolios]

If same weight of rider uses the same "max" PSI with an insert installed = less volume to support the weight = higher PSI spikes under impact = blowouts. Maybe

[@logojones96]

Yeah Andrew Feather seems to get on ok without using his saddle

[@curtvaughan2836]

Those helmets are ALIEN.