Frank Lundy Knew Dexter's Secret.

[@SARCOPSEDITZ]

I get why some people may think this but I just don’t. If Frank Lundy knew Dexter was the Bay Harbour Butcher then he knew Doakes was innocent. This means that he let an innocent man take the fall. This doesn’t really align with Lundy’s morals, considering he’s an FBI agent. He’s also extremely dedicated, shown when he has been pursuing Trinity even after his retirement. I don’t think he would allow Dexter to keep operating if he knew. Edit: since I started a war in the comments. No not all FBI Agents are good. I probably shouldn’t of put “considering he’s an FBI agent”. But just in general Lundy hand good morals and he wouldn’t let an innocent man take the fall.

[@sphanxele5034]

That's true hey

[@HSG1999]

It wasn’t his decision to let doakes take the fall, I remember a scene where Lundy was talking to his superior and trying to explain inconsistencies on why dogs couldn’t have been the bay Harbor Butcher, and his boss basically tells him to move on because they already got the guy, so regardless of what he believes the FBI believes doakes was guilty and we’re going to move forward with that conclusion. He was talking to the guy from breaking bad who played Mike.

[@tavo7465]

@@HSG1999 I think that if he wanted to pursue the Butcher (Dexter) and he knew who he was, he would have brought it up with his superiors.

[@SARCOPSEDITZ]

@@HSG1999I know. It would have been hard for Lundy, but IMO he could have gotten it done.

[@baroqueguitarist5673]

Lundy finds out about Doakes finger prints on the butchers murder weapon from a superior at the FBI who pulled rank on him and took over. Soon after that Doakes is gone. So at that point what good would it do exposing Dexter then ? If Lundy was aware Dexter was only going after criminals that the justice system failed to punish would saving Doakes reputation really be worth it at that point ? Destroying Debs life in the process ?

[@rickyressel9263]

Lundy was fascinating as a character. I think there’s merit to this theory. The guy was potentially the best man hunter in the FBI. His instincts and deduction skills were preternatural. Dexter was an unreliable narrator. He wasn’t as good at hiding his darkness as he thought. Someone like Lundy would pick up on it. It’s hard because we don’t get his inner dialog. But some of his expressions and confrontation with Dexter. Really make me feel he knew.

[@TheAfricanNightDemon]

He was amazing at reading people and its true that Dexter wasn’t an amazing actor like a Joe Goldberg or Hannibal Lector I think it was enough to get by and I don’t think he knew.

[@josephososkie3029]

@@TheAfricanNightDemon Yep, added tension.

[@MikeMJPMUNCH]

I feel he must have suspected Dexter in some way considering he literally bumped into Trinity and in about 10 seconds was able to sense something off about Trinity so with all the time he was around Dexter there must have been something he saw in him.

[@scoottmcboot8053]

Oh yeaaa. "Something in his eyes"

[@McbubbabathOG]

Ehhh you would have to take into account Dexter has mastered the art of blending in, though Trinity was very seasoned, I would argue he’s easier to spot. His whole family knew, he can’t keep composure. Dexter however can so when Lundy would probe around; Dexter would essentially pass the vibe check, though bearly. Also he dated Deb so he probably didn’t want to dig too deep out of respect.

[@ReijiTsugikuni0626]

Trinity lost his composure upon running into Lundy, he was thrown off and was very nervous throughout the entire encounter. He also isn't that great at hiding his violent nature as he was all types of abusive to his family behind the scenes. Dexter is much better at blending in an even stated later on that Trinity was nobody to learn from. Throughout the show he was much better at hiding it from Lundy by far

[@jameshollister8294]

True but could of showed more

[@BURRDAWG_]

But i mean if you worked on dead bodies everyday you probably wouldn't be a "normal" person

[@brianquint6126]

The guy who hunts serial killers for a living recognized another guy who hunts serial killers for a living and decided they both are doing the same job.

[@themoongateofficial]

2 sides of the same coin

[@WalterM-hy5fp]

That's more like it

[@jackthomas6952]

Not at all.

[@MarlinWheeler]

​@@jackthomas6952it is and you'd know that if you watched the show

[@bensweeney5878]

Didnt frank even say that "the bay harbor butcher is doing gods work"?

[@WaKy.]

Lundy suspected Trinity from the first conversation he had with him. I'm sure he knew about Dexter too.

[@Stoicdexter]

He didn’t though

[@Stoicdexter]

@DrBlackBull no he didn’t

[@sparingpickle4918]

He was hunting Trinity for how long? Had Trinity on his brain for how long? Knows how much about Trinity? Makes sense the guy who was obsessed with Trinity could sniff him out but couldn’t sniff out dexter who hasn’t spent nearly as much time on. This is a bad theory and y’all look for bad takes all the time lol 😂

[@Captainmubz]

Trinity also acted extremely suspicious when he ran into Lundy. He was nervous and had little to no composure. Dexter kept himself composed enough around Lundy to not set off any alarm bells in his head.

[@CrippledAutist]

Lundy 100% knew and it's actually very much confirmed by the writers ​@@sparingpickle4918

[@aight3842]

In an episode Lundy says ”there is no justification” for k*lling. And then he goes on to say “oh, but one of course, to save an innocent life”. This is a massive indication that Lundy knew in my eyes.

[@sergiomordekaiser790]

It makes no sense since that’s the first time Dexter and Lundy met.

[@mr.rungus2516]

Couldnt be further from the truth. And even then so, a coincidence like that simply cant be enough proof that he knew.

[@Stoicdexter]

It’s literally stated in season 7 Lundy had no idea lol

[@peekse9563]

@@Stoicdexter when was it stated? which episode?

[@Stoicdexter]

@@peekse9563 I honestly forgot what episode but it was when Maria confronts captain James Matthew about Dexter

[@kobeyftw1789]

Disagree, but Vince Masuka being a sexual deviance was the catalyst that allowed Dexter to be more on the inside and that may be one of the greatest plot points in tv show history.

[@willowloe6917]

Wait what??

[@namethatiuse2677]

Elaborate

[@willowloe6917]

@@kobeyftw1789 seriously I need answers lol what???

[@kobeyftw1789]

@ you find out when you finish season 2

[@willowloe6917]

@@kobeyftw1789 I’ve seen all of it, still doesn’t make sense to me how his deviance was helping Dexter stay on the inside & be one of the greatest plot points of tv history lol

[@ericwhite1942]

No, he didn't know. And for 1 blaring reason. Would he have looked the other way if he'd known......maybe. Dexter's dad was a cop, he's seriously dating Dexter's sister, He knows Dexter works with the police and has been prominent in catching and convicting alot of bad ppl and as the Bay Harbor Butcher has took out alot of bad ppl who otherwise would've walked free (Something he's probably had to deal with many times to his utmost frustration). All these things together maybe would cause him to turn his attention to a more deserving case in his eyes, at least. But, then there's the Doakes problem. There's no way he would've thrown a decorated police officer like Doakes under the bus like that.

[@dnadz]

That makes sense and does contradict the theory, but like I said, everyone might perceive it different and that's the beauty in it.

[@ericwhite1942]

@@dnadz I do belive he suspected Dexter, but after being unable to find any evidence and then having Doakes fall into his lap, maybe he was able to convince himself his instincts were wrong, only to come back2 years later after he retired to try to get Dexter to help him close out "The one case he couldn't let go" but maybe the plan all along was to get Dexter to expose himself and find the evidence to convict the real Bay Harbor Butcher, clear Doakes, and clean up the mistake he made.....just....he got shot before he could do all that.

[@ericwhite1942]

Well, dont misunderstand me. I think you're right in that he definitely suspected Dexter. Like Doakes, his institution was telling him Dexter was a sociopath but unlike Doakes, he approached him more cautiously. Keeping up pretense that they were friendly while dropping small comments and innuendos that he suspects him. Common interrogation tactic to keep you subject off balanced and paranoid hopefully making them fuck up and play theirself. But he didn't have any solid evidence and probably didnt want to uproot the guys life off a hunch, especially considering all the reasons i stated above. But, i do belive the reason he came to Dexter after his retirement and said he needed his help catching dude from 3rd rock from the sun whateverhisnamewascantrememberlol yes he was there to close the books on a case he couldnt solve.....but i think he was trying to get two birds with one stone. Probably found something that changed his mind about the Bay Harbor Butcher case and was trying to use this other case to trip Dexter up and get evidence needed to clean up his biggest mistake ​@dnadz

[@dougkleen9917]

@@ericwhite1942 intuition, Doakes was a cop that could appear to be someone that would turn vigilante so maybe Lundy suspected Dexter but with all the evidence pointing to Doakes he chose to not say anything because he couldnt prove it.

[@ericwhite1942]

Exactly ​@@dougkleen9917

[@edwardroy3401]

That scene in the Bay Harbor Butcher season where Lundy had a 1-on-1 meeting with Dexter and caught him lying about crime scene evidence... I said right then, Lundy must at least suspect Dexter. I mean, Lundy is standing out in the main office looking at Dex who has pictures of blood spatters decorating his walls... It must have been almost obvious

[@OvaltineJenkanz]

Yeah it crossed his mind for sure. I thought Dex was caught when Lundy had him on that train car.

[@username.exenotfound2943]

its like L vs light except lundy probably had a small suspicion and L was 99% of not 100% certain its light but cant prove it yet

[@AlejandroSanchez-bw6wp]

He definitely knew Dexter was Autustuc or something but he hid too well, while Doakes was very high strung and had a volatile personality. If diales had kept his head down and taken the security job, Dexter would have been caught eventually and also would have been redeemed after he assaulted Dexter.

[@brotbrotsen1100]

​@username.exenotfound2943 Yeah L was 100% sure. Even when light lost his memory, L just wondered how he pulled that off and suspected that he doctored the Notebook

[@Thebloodguy]

I feel like frank knew and Quinn did to but they both cared about Deb more than taking down Dex , and Dex only goes for murders so I don’t think it weighed to much on their conscious. Also noticed that Quinn brushed off Dex killing the brain surgeon and wasn’t nearly as shocked as Angel was

[@danielteixeira309]

Very unrealistic show that ends up contradicting itself. One of my fav shows dough

[@chrisafk6369]

Rs Quinn didn’t rat out Dexter when liddy happened even though it was very obvious Dexter was the one who killed him I think but he didn’t say anything and Dexter got him off the hook with blood so that’s why I think quinn just kinda ignored that part

[@thebestpunisher5075]

Same thoughts

[@WalterM-hy5fp]

Quinn definitely knew

[@archivey-h8e]

Quinn might let it slide even if he knew what Dexter was, he would probably think "dexter is taking out the scumbags, fuck em, anyway off to the strip club"

[@awalt7084]

In the books Lundy was definitely aware, considering there was even a part where he told Dexter to get the guy they were after, however I think the show only slightly hinted at it. Definitely a good theory tho, makes me wanna rewatch the series and see

[@clockworkofficial]

Good video. I think Lundy suspected Dexter but when he fell in love with Debra he chose to ignore/forget about it

[@dnadz]

Thanks man I appreciate it , also ya that makes a lot of sense.

[@snitox]

Could also be true that Dexter groomed Deb to get into a prominent position in Miami Metro so all the male attention(in a male dominated field) goes towards Debra if anyone suspects him. Lundy might've fallen into that trap.

[@KaitoIsHim]

@@snitox This is an insane stretch seeing how deb has said many times why she joined(Because she wanted more attention from harry)

[@snitox]

@@KaitoIsHim joined but Dexter helped Deb to where she was prominently in Miami Metro.

[@AlphaConviction]

@@snitoxso genius

[@cooonstancejooones]

I love the reasurgence of Dexter because of the prequel show. As someone who only watched the show this year, I'm living for this content.

[@themoongateofficial]

Deadass bro I kinda wish I had seen it earlier but I’m def glad I didn’t have to wait since 2014 for new blood it already existed when I started , now I’m just left wanting MORE

[@cooonstancejooones]

@@themoongateofficial FUCKING EXACTLY. THE SHOW DREW ME IN AND NOW IM LEFT WITH NOTHING 💀

[@themoongateofficial]

@@cooonstancejooones they even brought mr krabs in to be a villain like that’s sick as fuck I didn’t realize it until I kept hearing Kurt talking

[@cooonstancejooones]

@@themoongateofficial 💀💀💀

[@nomecognome8737]

and sequel now!

[@RandaFair-jt7mt]

There was actually a scene where Dexter walks into where they kept all the bodies of the Bay harbor butcher and Dexter was looking around and he was startled by Frank and they had a really small conversation about how there was only one reason to take a life and it was to save another life I'm only halfway through the video so I don't know if that's brought up but and everybody in that room was killed to save a life and potentially more lives

[@dnadz]

Wow YES , I didn’t even think of that , that definitely says a lot about the characters.

[@GuilhermeReis-fz7gf]

Frank Lundy is on my top 5 best characters of the show

[@Man.Well93]

1. Isaac Sirko 2. Lundy 3. Trinity 4. Oliver Saxon 5. That crazy Marshal boy in season 6. WORST 1. Lumen 2. Hannah McKay 3. Rita 4. Debra 5. LaGuerta

[@wayles25]

@@Man.Well93why is rita in top 5 worst shes cool

[@larapalma3744]

​@@wayles25😂 Hates women, loves men

[@gamerdudepunk]

@@Man.Well93Debra and Rita worst? What the

[@MamaJewels99]

Why are all your least favourites women? I agree with Lumen and Hannah but Deb and Rita? Come on.

[@Thebloodguy]

I watched all the way through the show recently and I noticed that frank seemed to brush away that it could be someone other than doakes even though he was shown evidence that it couldn’t be him , and when he first talks to Dex in season 4 he pauses and thinks carefully about his words when saying “I wouldn’t have access to a blood guy of your caliber” and even Dex pauses for a moment after because the way he said it was suspicious

[@InitialPC]

he didnt brush it away, laguerta met with doakes' old military friend who was trying to get the blood slides analyzed and found out about military ops doakes was on while the butcher was active, lundy had her tell him in detail about these ops he acknowledged the evidence pointed to doakes, but never seemed convinced

[@joeyj5924]

True. There just seems to be something more when Frank talks to Dexter. He doesn't talk to anyone else the way he talks to him. Except when he talks to Debra. He talks to her in season 4( before they hook back up) like he knows something (and we know what that is of course ). He knew she stil, had feelings for him. He talks to Dexter and looks at him with the same mannerisms. He definitely wasn't in love with Dexter. So what else could it be? Guess we'll just have to keep wondering 👀

[@Thebloodguy]

@@joeyj5924 ya , it’s like hes trying to tell him “I know your secret” without having to explicitly say it

[@Thebloodguy]

@@InitialPC I can’t remember when but I know there’s a scene where he basically says “naaaaah” to some evidence (can’t remember when but I know it happens cuz I just watched it)

[@InitialPC]

@@Thebloodguy the scene you might be referring to is when laguerta showed lundy her stakeout notes, the notes were taken while she was with doakes while the butcher was active the reason he dismissed it was because they were her personal notes and her credibility was shot when she didnt tell him she was communicating with doakes while he was on the run from the FBI it had nothing to do with doakes as the butcher it was to do with laguertas lack of credibility

[@BRexxors]

0:32 seamlessly?

[@christopher9833]

seemingly?

[@BRexxors]

@@christopher9833 it’s what he was going for, yeah

[@Eff_It]

American education.

[@arthas640]

​@@Eff_Itbut he's Canadian...

[@FoamGolemFilms]

Y’all need to remember any scene with Dexter in it is viewed from dexters point of view. Lundy was asking normal questions per his literal job description. But everything seems like a close call to get caught because not only is Dexter schizophrenic but namely PARANOID. Same with moral dilemmas. Dexter will struggle with a moral dilemma or even just self control. It always ends up with Dexter barely changing his behavior, slapping duct tape on his relationships, and lying until he has to tell the truth. Then Dexter’s like “Wow, I’ve grown.” When in reality he just finds a new justification for his unchanging behavior.

[@tamara43]

This comment 👌

[@Jaeger2086]

​@@tamara43Pretty certain he's a psychopath

[@davideivone6341]

Dexter is not a paranoid Schizophrenic, rather a high functioning sociopath.

[@FoamGolemFilms]

@@davideivone6341 all those times he’s seeing and talking to his dad, if you think it’s just a literary device, remember when his actions changed, he saw his brother instead and involuntarily. His sociopathy and desperate need to blend in manifested through schizophrenic hallucinations where Harry is his superego and Brian represented his id when usually his id is referred to as the dark passenger. Only Dexter and the viewer can see Harry, yet a few times Dexter will respond to Harry out loud and someone will hear him, meaning he is actually hallucinating not just monologging internally. He is both.

[@davideivone6341]

@@FoamGolemFilms Thank you for your answer. I can understand why you think that, but here's my thought: Dexter does not exhibit the classic positive symptoms of schizophrenia like hallucinations or delusions. His inner thoughts take the form of a specific figure providing guidance, but this can be construed as an internal coping mechanism rather than full-blown psychosis. He is oriented to reality and functioning quite well socially/occupationally as a blood splatter analyst. Schizophrenia typically involves some detachment from reality and impaired daily functioning. So in summary, while Dexter certainly has antisocial tendencies and lives outside social norms, the portrayal suggests his inner experience and behavior are more consistent with having a personality disorder like antisocial PD rather than schizophrenia, based on clinical signs and hypothesized origins of his condition. His mind does not appear profoundly disturbed in a psychotic sense. I think the decision of using the speaking figure of Harry, Brian and Debra was made in order to link with the relation that Dexter's shares with his dark passenger in the book. Still in the book dexter hasn't got any hallucinations whatsoever, his dark passenger, Moloch/ molok spawn, is more a supernatural entity living within him that guides him and makes him able to pursue and hunt down other killers. I said supernatural due to the fact that he, as an example, can hear sounds and sensation when another killer is close, even though there's no possibility he saw him/her in the first place.

[@ZakynthosDiamandis]

Someone on reddit said the story of season 2 should have been the penultimate or last season of Dexter. This makes so much sense when you think about how it would have kept up the shows quality for longer. Doakes (and possibly Rudy) could have been in the show way longer, extending both their undeniable chemistry and intrigue when interacting with Dexter. The stakes would have felt so much higher when the metro were finally on to Dexter. Also Lundy's character would have an even greater impact if he were already established and we were more familiar with him by the time he was on the Butcher case. Obviously there would be some tweeks needed but if the main plot went: Season 1 (Ice Truck) , 2 (Miguel) , 3 (Trinity), 4 (Bay Harbour Butcher), (and maybe a better season 5 to end the show)

[@heavenlypath1065]

Season 1. ( Icetruck ) Season 2. ( Lila + New ending with Doakes Alive ) Season 3. ( Miguel ) Season 4. ( Trinity + New ending with Rita Alive ) Season 5. ( Isaak Sirko w/o Hannah ) Season 6. ( Dexter gets caught and tries to escape from the Miami Metro ) Season 7. ( Dexter ends up in Iron lake with his new identity just like New Blood ) Season 8. ( Someone figures out that Dexter is alive and the whole cast goes on a manhunt )

[@AJ-lq1zq]

I don’t think he knew, but I don’t think he wild be shocked if it came out. He definitely knew there was something different about Dexter. I just don’t think he would turn a blind eye and let Doakes take the fall. But I love the theory.

[@dnadz]

Ya that’s the thing , the theory really is a way for people to think of it in their own way , since nothing is necessarily confirmed.

[@JayAKway]

On one hand I want to agree that Lundy must've known, he's shown to be pretty competent at his job; on the other hand this would imply that he knew Doakes was innocent and I don't think he'd allow Doakes to be wrongfully accused and hunted. Lundy definitely knew something was off with Dexter I just dont necessarily think he knew he was a serial killer.

[@Stefan0v1]

He obviously suspected Dexter 100%...It was his expert instinct talking to him... Then he fell for Debra, and took his foot off the gass.. Was he still suspecting Dexter? Sure...Dexter looked mighty guilty when Lundy talked to him about the sloppy blood work he's done on some cases...He for sure taught it was Dexter..At that point they knew the BHP was a member of MPD.. After Doakes left Lundy's office when talking about his cases, Lundy still taught of Dexter as the main suspect. Doakes left the country, and the MPD found the Dexter's blood slides in Doakes' car at the airport....Lundy's main suspect changed to Doakes.. Lundy started to believe Laguertas arguments towards Doakes not being the BHP.She pinpointed that Doakes was on different assignments when some of the murders happened..She even had some personal filles, but Lundy didn't take them and was angry with her because she didn't announce the call she's had with Doakes(unofficially), It looked suspicious...It showed she had intentions of protecting him, thus anything she brought up would look tempered in the eyes of a court, i guess... He believed the evidence Maria gave him....but when Doakes was found dead, with Dexters tools(with Doakes prints on them) and a fresh body to boot, Lundy didn't have any way to deny it..He said that the evidence was more than compelling..

[@AlanMichaelJackson]

He knew and knew Dex was a necessary evil. He was a killer killing killers, like the Boondock Saints.

[@toromontana8290]

I think he had Dexter on his short list of suspects, but I don't think he would let it slide if he was certain it was him. And he wasn't that close to Debra, not like Quinn was. I think Quinn knew Dexter was the BHB, he had clues that were impossible to not connect even for a semi-competent detective.

[@mikem.4201]

"Trinity is in Miami Dexter!"

[@dnadz]

🫡🫡

[@DamnIsThatAPro]

great video brother. i personally believe Lundy knew. just some scenes that they interact you get the same sense from Lundy that he had when he encountered Trinity and watched him get on the bus.

[@dnadz]

Ay Thanks man , and YES that is so true.

[@bensweeney5878]

I could imagine that in original sin right after Harry tells Dexter to make his first kill on the nurse, Dexter leaves the room to make his first kill and as soon as he does, frank lundy appears out of the bathroom or side corner (a hidden place) to ask Harry; "So, are you SURE you have this under control??"

[@PortalOfAwesome]

I think they're going to have revelations like this in Original Sin.

[@quiqueu6906]

It's been confirmed by the writers that Lundy didn't suspect Dexter, the writers just made it seem like he knew to add suspense

[@twintyara6330]

You're no fun

[@quiqueu6906]

@@twintyara6330 don't hate cause I'm right

[@JavahFusion]

I thought I was the only one who noticed this. bro definitely knew

[@FatalDyZr]

Can’t believe special agent Lundy was the bay harbor butcher.

[@JohnSoroka-j5z]

This is a great video. I personally don't think that Lundy ever knew Dexter was the Bay Harbor Butcher or even a killer. To me, Lundy getting close to Dexter was meant to represent Lundy trying to get on Dexter's good side since Lundy was romantically involved with Debra. I think that the while Lundy noticed there was something about Dexter, it was meant to show Lundy noticing Dexter was smarter than most of the people at Miami Metro while also believing that Dexter was simply a blood spatter analyst. I think Lundy noticing Dexter was smarter than most of his co-workers was similar to how Mike Anderson noticed Dexter's exceptional intelligence when he helped Miami Metro hunt Travis Marshall in season 6. Anderson noticed that Dexter was intelligent, but never once thought that Dexter might be a killer, the same thing I believe applies to Lundy. The only reason Doakes suspected there was something off about Dexter and that it was nefarious was because Doakes had spent years not just as a cop, but also a soldier hunting killers and knew what it was like to kill himself, something that Anderson and Lundy didn't understand. If Lundy had suspected Dexter was a killer, I don't believe for a second that he wouldn't try to arrest Dexter. Lundy said it himself, there's only one justifiable reason to kill someone, "To save an innocent life." While Dexter would argue that he's saving countless innocent lives by killing criminals, I don't think Lundy would share the same view because of his commitment to the legal system.

[@NolsHub]

I feel like Lundy didn't "know" Dexter was the Butcher, but had a lot of suspicions since he was able to identify patterns that could connect Dexter to the Butcher - and wasn't necessarily on Dexter's side. The problem is Lundy cannot just accuse Dexter without any evidence as that would cause Dexter to be extra careful, so instead Lundy tried to apply pressure to try and cause Dexter to be off his game and slip up - I definitely feel this was the case when Dexter was brought in to look at the blood trophies, while it does cause suspense and plot twist for the audience it doesn't make sense why they would specifically need Dexter to confirm they were trophies (regardless of him being the "blood expert"), and I feel Lundy just wanted to see how Dexter reacted and if he would give himself up believing he was caught.

[@Pokelegacy]

Honestly Lundy saying “there’s no justification to killing. Oh, except if it’s to save an innocent life.” Proves he knew.

[@mysteryman1877]

Lundy's Body Language absolutely suspected Dexter of being the Bay Harbor Butcher.

[@CinemastringFacts-iy4yb]

You are literally seeing it from the perspective of a paranoid serial killer lmao if Lundy knew he would have caught him he hunts serial killers

[@rua._.mfx2]

Frank Lundy was by far the best side character in Dexter

[@Astrox326]

This show is a Diamond 💎 I haven't been hooked on a show for a good year

[@Wojacksamillion]

0:59 UNBENOUNCED

[@AamuAurora]

He didn't know. I see a strong analogy in the portrayal with Dafoe in American Psycho. He always recorded two takes, one acting as if he knew Bateman was guilty, and the other where he believed he was innocent. They were later remixed together to bring atmosphere of uncertainty and distress. Here situation is exactly the same. Sometimes he looks like he knows, sometime they're best buddies.

[@BillyBatsonMarvel]

Dexter and Lundy’s banter in the yellow cargo container was evidence that Frank Lundy knew exactly who Dexter was. ⏩️ 7:17 kzbin.info/www/bejne/f4DMmnuCjryleKssi=DugS7NdDmPC1XNhZ

[@anonimus500p6]

I think there’s no right answer, I think the writers played it similar to detective Kimball in American Psycho (Willem Dafoe’s character). Sometimes Lundy knew it was Dexter, sometimes he didn’t, and other times he suspected. This is meant to confuse the viewer. Imo, he strongly suspected / knew at first, but never had the evidence to back it up. He later on retracted when Doakes was framed, bc there was “evidence” to back it up. He also didn’t like Doakes.

[@Hobofish11]

No way Lundy knew. He wouldn't pin the killings on Doakes if he did

[@sebastian_the_creator_712]

I remember that Lundy never agreed with the idea of a serial killer who kills other serial killers. In the episode where Dexter enter for the first time in the lab where lies all his victims that were founded in the sea, Lundy said that the Bay Harbor butcher is just a killer, he didn't care of the "social service" made by him, he was just a killer, and Lundy's job was arrest killers

[@jackthomas6952]

No you are totally wrong about Lundy. Lundy is a consummate Law Enforcement Professional and truly elite profiler and investigator. Lundy has no opinion on the validity of the bay harbor butcher’s killings, he simply knows he is a murderer and a sadistic criminal that needs to be caught and incarcerated. As an Officer myself I’ve had the pleasure of working with Agents, and Detectives very much like Lundy who are sharp, professional and go by the Color of the law.

[@maddyc2412]

3:23 "pairs" of three 😂

[@unLokii-]

I actually just thought of this but I think Lundy was a perfect definition of a psychopath who had extreme drive and crazy ego. If you think about it he was supposed to be the most professional of ppl that hunt these killers, which means he would have to have the mind of a killer to be able to be so successful. Not only that but we see how Lundy would kinda manipulate Debra in the beginning, and how he’d appeal to her in specific ways to where she would fall for him more and more like the way he appealed to her feeling useless and helpless after the ice truck killer, and saying he appreciates her inside knowledge on killers. Then he actually DID make it seem like him and Debra were gonna be a forever thing at first UNTIL she found out he was definitely gonna be leaving for his job, which he did not gaslit her into thinking it was her fault and being like “oh well what did you think was gonna happen?” Basically (that was a small fuck up on his part). Then after leaving and coming back SEEING Debra moved on, he comes in and intervenes and shows himself to her and lowkey tries to make her feel like shit about moving on but also asserting himself in the position to fw her again. Also when she left Antoine for Lundy, he didn’t even try to stop that, HE FUCKS HER. Also him being a psychopath would explain him being able to portray the emotions so well as he does, he’s been around long enough to have learned and be able to mimic being human. Also it would make sense on how he would also know that Dexter is a killer and also lets him keep going. He was literally a mastermind and on a completely different level compared to

[@MinimiMax]

I am currently rewatching the show and I have just reached season 3 and I just realized something that somewhat ties in with this theory. There is a scene early in season 3 where Miguel confronts Dexter about snooping around his dead brother's files. It is never explained how he knows this but it left me wondering... if Miguel can know what Dexter has been up to on his computer, what is stopping anyone else from finding this stuff out? And here's where Lundy comes in. An FBI agent who looks deeply into the police department employees would surely find out he has been looking into these victims' files before? Also, this realization gave Dexter a huge flaw in my eyes. If it's that easily traceable to him, then using the police database for this purpose is a HUGE oversight on his part. Like he has literally searched people by name that the cops had not yet identified. And this confrontation with Miguel did not make him realize maybe he should stop doing this shit.

[@gengarpokemon7731]

easter egg/alternate theory/universe in criminal minds he's a FBI agent also named frank and a serial killer. it's farfetched but an interesting and intriguing theory to intertwine both universes.

[@roeitarrab9712]

nice vid I like to see other people taking about the show and bringing new prespectives

[@dnadz]

Ay Thanks bro 🙏🏻

[@NonchalantlyChozen]

Frank feels like a man who'd arrest the fuck out of Morgan. He knows he'd escalate. Most serial killers start with rules but throw them out the window when they finally admit they just like killing. Frank would understand that

[@ilaypipefr6675]

I remember the scene where they were in the train cart ( Lundy & Dex) and Lundy were describing how he thought the BHB acted and Dexter was doing everything he was saying and Lundy was just watching him squinting his eyes at him like he realized something. And I thought the same exact thing when Lundy told dex about trinity, almost like he wanted him on his table.

[@ashtondonnavin4390]

i believe the writers meant to imply that lundy suspected dexter BEFORE doakes made the mistake of taking dexter’s blood slides. after the slides were found in doake’s car lundy’s suspicion of dexter ceased to exist

[@Jellyfish1st]

I think Dexter Morgan knew who the Bay Harbor Butcher was idk why he never told anyone though

[@dnadz]

Might have to go further into this theory some day.

[@barrellracer]

Most have no clue that Keith Carradine (Lundy) is an OSCAR WINNER... In 1976 he won for his original song "I'm Easy"

[@toromontana8290]

I think if Lundy was sure Dexter was the one, he'd organize a sting operation and catch Dexter in the act. Basically, just have an undercover cop be "arrested" for a serious murder and then released. Dexter goes after him and he's done.

[@ardianosmani3482]

Guys, I can assure you that I’m a really BIG FAN of the theory because it’s sounds so fucking nice and it would be so cool in a way. But it is not true, I’m so sorry. Some people say Lundy had Debra in his head and ignore Dexter because he was afraid that Debrah could be angry at him. Hello? He is FBI agent and is very mature because of his age. He would NEVER EVER because he’s in love with Debra ignore a big case like the butcher. Sorry his character wouldn’t allow that. He is a clean man. I could imagine this from Quinn but not from Lundy. And he left Debrah to continue to work on other cases. He was in love yes, but his job was more important to him and this brings us back to point 1 that he wouldn’t ignore just because he has a romance with deb. And if this is a Easter egg or a hidden theory the directors would give definitely a hint that this could be a theory so that the fans can discussing. But they didn’t give a directly-indirectly hint. We are just interpreting too much (trinity) Third he wouldn’t let doakes die. Sorry guys. But I’m also a big fan of this theory

[@dnadz]

All good bro 😂

[@ardianosmani3482]

@@dnadz sorry haha but I saw it so much on TikTok recently and had so many thoughts and now let them all out haha. What’s your favourite season?

[@dnadz]

@@ardianosmani3482 Season 4 ofc , but tbh season 1 is underrated 🤝wbu?

[@ardianosmani3482]

@@dnadz why everybody loves season 4? Y’all forgetting that Rita died? 😭😭 I love season 2️⃣. Because they searched for Dexter. The conflict with him and doakes was also very good. 👍🏽 very sad he died, too early. For me they could put this as a final season

[@dnadz]

@@ardianosmani3482 dude although yes Rita dying was sad , it was essential to concluding his story with trinity , and trinity is in my opinion the best villain on the show , and it just had so many good scenes

[@hommeldavid]

Lundy’s relationship with Deb was a way to explain why he was so oblivious to what Dexter really was because of his personal relationship with her. Deb was a conflict of interest that inadvertently kept Lundy at bay.

[@conorfromireland]

great video dnadz

[@haarisshaikh9621]

Can't belive doakes was the bay harbour butcher

[@JaySchmittyTheProphet]

Season 4 Lundy says to Dexter. “People like us. We don’t really have a home. Just passing thru”. Referring to himself and Dexter and Trinity as them 3 being the same

[@thor7219]

I don't think he knew. He also gravitated towards Dexter because he thought Masuka was a creep. I do however think he suspected Dexter at one point but pressure from his boss to pursuit Doakes derailed that, as well as complications/relationship with Deb. From what I remember, Lundy’s boss was an AT and wanted to wrap up the case as soon as possible. So, he was more than happy to pin everything on Doakes without taking a closer look, which filtered down to Lundy. I also can't see him framing an innocent man (Doakes) for Dexter's crimes. Well, I suppose, he thought Doakes doled out his own vigilante justice, so who knows. But I am thinking not. It just wasn’t his character.

[@lewislewis3531]

Lundy must have known. His deductive and inductive skills were on point. Realising it was a law enforcer, for one thing

[@mcp22baseball]

I think they took inspiration from the movie American Psycho. Where they did things in 3. Scenes where the detective knew, suspected, and had no clue when talking with the killer. And intertwined this into Dexter to give people a curiosity of does Lundy really know. It was very well done.

[@backrooms_timeline]

Tbh Lundy was acting as he knew from the beginning. He was playing with Dexter as Doakes should, telling him "i knew who you are", acting like with child. Always step ahead, knowing Dexter can't do anything about it.

[@TomHigginsWx]

One very interesting scene that is never mentioned is in S4, when Lundy first walks up to Dexter at the bathtub crime scene, Dexter has a bloodslide. Very odd that he did that, since he never did that at crimescenes. There is a reason the writers did that. Remember in S7 when Masuka is asked by Laguerta who takes bloodslides at crime scenes. He responded, no one except Doakes. This confirms that the practice was not done by forensics.

[@terry_j99]

Thw fact that the creators literally said he didnt know, closes the case

[@visionary_void]

Why is nobody talking about 5:06 lmao

[@TheJim42069]

Lundy is no idiot by far...with that said I think he figured out Dexter was a killer early on but also figured out around the same time that Dexter had his code, his moral gray area only going after other killers. Lundy seen Dex as more of a vigilante in this cesspool of a legal system where killers, rapist, and thieves all get away with their crimes because of this flawed system we have.

[@ChristophGangrel]

He was FBI's profiler so he for sure knew that there's something odd with Dexter. Doakes had some suspitions but it was more like "gut feeling" Lundy knew that's Dexter have some dark side... I dont know if I can properly explain the diference... But i dont think he knew it all. he may suspected that Dex is BHB but he wasn't positive about it...

[@MrXelaim]

The thing is, Doakes also had a similar dark side, including unsanctioned following of a collegue.

[@LightBluMew]

Why did it take you a minute to read the paragraph with edits in there?

[@cross6937]

I have a couple of points. 1. If Frank DID know that Dexter was the Butcher, he would have had to have known from the get-go. He would have to have been exactly like Detective Columbo (incidentally, also with the first name of Frank), who always had that keen sense of who it was right from the beginning. 2. I doubt Lundy would have let the rap fall onto the head of Doakes (an innocent man). That would have gone against Lundy's sense of justice.

[@FernandesEfrahim]

Underated Channel

[@kirkdavis2881]

Did he think Dexter was hiding something? Sure. Dexter was odd and had a troubled early childhood. But I doubt he knew he was a mass murderer.

[@Phosfit]

They wrote Lundy so well that not even the creators knew if he knew.

[@Customsbymlm]

I never thought of this but I’m gonna rewatch the season

[@Customsbymlm]

Thought there would be more details

[@BigDeal0716]

Lundy was able to take a single look into Trinity’s eyes and know something felt off about him, so much so that he taped an audio log describing Trinity right then and there, and that was a SINGLE encounter with Trinity. Even Doakes was able to sniff out Dexter, and he’s just a guy who’s seen quite a few killers, Lundy is the best serial killer hunter on the planet, and suspecting Trinity from a single encounter shows that. Lundy 100% knew about Dexter, if the show writers and Jeff Lindsay come out and say he didn’t then they messed up, because they’ve done nothing but show the contrary. Just the way Lundy looks at Dexter alone should show enough, but when he confronts Dexter about his “sloppy blood work”, he’s giving a peak into his suspicions, and when Maria is trying to prove Doakes innocent, he straight up tells her he thinks she’s right, and Dexter is the only person we’ve ever seen him suspicious of, and when they have Dexter analyze his own bloodslide collection, Dexter is visibly nervous, and Lundy is analyzing Dexter, he 100% would notice Dexters behavior (again we’re talking about a man who can take a single look into a mans eyes and see a killer). Will we ever 100% know whether he knew or not? No, because we were never given any concrete proof, just speculation and behavior, but all of that points towards the most likely scenario of Lundy knowing about Dexter, or at least suspecting him, because we haven’t seen ANYTHING to show that he DOESN’T suspect Dexter, unless you count him not blatantly saying outright that he suspects Dexter as proof that he doesn’t.

[@JustinMcGee-be8fu]

I was in law enforcement for many years, worked homicide division and crime scene investigation and also worked along side many many FBI people who would come to assist with various investigations. In the particulars of the bay harbor butcher, the minute lundy got the inkling that the killer was possibly law enforcement related. Dexter would of jumped straight up to the top of his "i need to look into this" lists. You can see the writers thought of that because of how Lundy interacted with dexter. He wasn't really accusing him of anything, he was most just trying to poke at the man to see what would happen. There are some leaps in logic because its a show after all, but anyone trained in interviewing techniques in regards to criminal investigations you can clearly see him going with the tried and true methods of using existing context to just strike up conversations to see what dexter's responses would be. Dexter really never gave up anything relevant but still, Lundy saw dexter's compulsive behaviors and he did keep a general eye on him. Ultimately he would of moved on like he did in the show, the evidence dexter had against dokes closed the deal, but its clear it never sat right with Lundy, thats the glimmer of an actual investigator, to be open to the possibility that the evidence is outright lying to you. Its just hard to ignore it at a certain point but you always retain that slight hint of suspicion, its what you're paid to do after all and at a certain point you begin to trust that suspicion, you just can't act on it without evidence and dexter never presented anything. Loved Lundy as a character, reminded me so much of FBI people I've worked with over the years and learned from. The guys that work those kinds of cases really are a breed of their own and anyone in that field would be foolish not to try and absorb as much of that insight as you can from that person while you're working with them. Can be a real eye opener on how to do proper critical thinking.

[@Jokerex44]

I actually agree. I have read the books and watched the show bot multiple times. Lundy could see the "Dark Passenger" however also know that he used it for justice in a way. He knew Dexter could also see others dark passengers.

[@santylovsky5968]

Lundy no solamente sabía que Dexter era "the Bay Harbor Butcher", sino que sutilmente le pidió que se encargara personalmente de Trinity.

[@brianjong8945]

Personally I think that he knew, and people would say that he wouldn’t have thrown Doakes under the bus if he knew he wasn’t the BHB. But I feel like he was kind of stuck between a rock and a hard place, he was looking at Dexter but then Doakes ended up incriminating himself with the blood slides. The two main pieces of physical evidence they have for Doakes are the slides in his possession and his fingerprints on the kill tools as well as him turning up at the cabin with the chopped up body. When Deb asks Lundy if he thinks Doakes did it he says that the “evidence is compelling, overwhelming even” but he says it in a way where to him it doesn’t feel right, he doesn’t feel like he won. Even if Doakes was able to present the blood slides himself to Laguerta or the task force it would create an issue because he obtained them illegally and wouldn’t be able to be used as evidence in the case against Dexter plain and simple. If he hadn’t acted impulsively he could have won. Lundy had a feeling about Dexter but because Doakes had all the evidence linking him it would be very hard to argue that Doakes wasn’t the guy. Basically Doakes and Laguerta were the ones who botched the investigation for Lundy.

[@erikkkkkkkkk1]

If Frank Lundy had a little bit of an idea that Dexter might’ve done it, the reason he wouldn’t of put him in handcuffs because he was in love with Deb and he wouldn’t want to ruin their relationship. They def hinted like he had an idea or that he was intrigued by dexters sense of being, mainly because he is drawn to serial killers. Idk if he actually picked up on that fully but he makes you feel like he may know most of the time

[@GenesisVillarroel6]

I'm just rewatch all dexter´s season , plsss do more videos like this , I would love to hear more details or theories

[@argarman09]

Lundy knew there was something about Dexter. He just didn't know what exactly. He made Dexter uncomfortable and nervous, and he knew it. He was trying to figure Dexter out.

[@dnadz]

Right on the ball

[@Montanakid1988]

If Frank Lundy was as good as they made him out to be in the TV show, there is no way in hell he didn’t know Dexter’s secret. I think maybe he actually considered Dexter a necessary evil. He knew that there were evil people who will always get away with horrible things due to protocols and regulations, and Dexter is the one who does with the law can’t. He dispenses justice in a way that the law is unable to do, so Lundy turns a blind eye because he thinks what Dexter does needs to be done deep down

[@wwarpedw8740]

Terrible naration, just a big slur of words,all blended into gibberish

[@NicolasAristizabal-rb3ju]

I’m watching this video literally 17 years after the episode where Lundy first appeared aired. Weird coincidence

[@rezboy4]

I can't believe doakes was the bay harbor butcher 😮

[@WalterM-hy5fp]

Lundi would know if he studied Dexter's past. Question is did he?

[@EthanGamePlayer]

After just now getting to s8 and finishing, there is a chance Lundy knew about his childhood through the therapists videos we learn about

[@nedakgaming9090]

Im glad we got a personal report from Dexter

[@thefifth9830]

Harry never believed that murder was morally justifiable, and he never truly supported Dexter being a serial killer, regardless of the circumstances. Harry only gave Dexter the illusion of supporting his psychopathy and taught him to become a successful serial killer, because he believed it was the best option available, and Harry foremost taught Dexter "the code" in attempt to justify the unjustifiable to himself so that he could follow through doing what went against his beliefs. After he actually sees Dexter's first kill, the true culmination of his guidance and support in practice, he can no longer continue hiding behind the veil of good intentions to do what he knows is wrong, and Harry takes his own life as a direct result. Everything about Lundy's character points to him sharing that same belief in the sanctity of life with a similar of not greater tenacity, and without the fatherly sense of responsibility for Dexter's well-being that Harry bore and with a career's worth of experience in the brutal reality of serial killing, it seems highly unlikely he would ever be able to justify turning a blind eye, even considering his love for Deb.

[@GopherpilledTunneler]

He directly told Dexter to kill the nurse that was overdosing people and pushed Dexter towards killing a pimp murderer.

[@n34tsaucegames]

I actually really like this theory because something that always bugged me was season 4's return of Lundy being such amazing timing. He arrived RIGHT AS Lisa Bell was k!lled in the tub, fast enough to be there as Dexter was still collecting forensics in the bathroom. He didn't come to Miami because he thought the Trinity killer was already there, he MOST LIKELY planned to bring that case to Dexter (knowing that if he failed, Dexter would take care of it). There were multiple times where Lundy even said that he, himself, thought like a k!ller & that's what made him so good at hunting them, even noting in one scene how meticulous & compulsive the BHB is, while watching Dexter do the very things he was describing. Also, I saw someone mention Lundy letting Doakes take the fall, he actually didn't. Lundy's boss was the one who closed that case. When Doakes died, Lundy was in the process of finally listening to Laguerta and believing she may be right. He may not have been 100% because of his personal connections and biases, but he knew SOMETHING was up.

[@SourPatchCJ]

I swear Angel said that Dexter was Lundy’s primary suspect before doakes’ car was found with the blood samples. This was in New Blood where in Dexter’s new life, someone he knows who is a local cop calls Angel talking about a case similar to the bay Barbour butcher.

[@jon8094]

I thought that was Jordan peterson

[@SmashingCapital]

No

[@1997lordofdoom]

Jordan Peterson if he had a brain.

[@The_Platinum_Realist]

I felt like Lundy was wasted character. I hated it when he got killed off.

[@Wes.jumpss]

DOUBT.

[@JacobD-js2vn]

Still can't believe Lundy was the Day Sunshine Catcher. That's crazy!

[@Resanctify]

Lundy had seen many cities CSI agents and associated detectives, while most of them weren't as animated as Dexter is when he works with blood, Lundy knows it isn't abnormal. If Lundy did indeed find Dex's enthusiasm a bit much, his now set baseline profile on Dexter would allow him to notice if Dex seemed to have switched from analyzer to "enactor", as in, now *creating* crime scenes.

[@celestiangaming87]

He knew Dexter's father. He knew everything. He was even testing his word. Even if he messed up a blood work on a case and had no good excuse. He just thought to him self. "You're lucky I'm on your side."

[@Ryan_Rants]

I always thought Lundy knew there was more to Dexter, but wasn't sure exactly what it was. I think there is merit to the fact that his interest in Deb, who was literally obsessed with Dexter, may have shaped his own perspective on Dexter. The tea scene where he calls out Dexter's shotty bloodwork, he knows there was a reason behind that because he knew and witnessed just how methodical and meticulous Dexter was. I don't know if he knew Dexter was the BHB, but I also don't think Lundy truly believed it was Doakes at all. An alternative theory could be that Lundy did know and did not want to move on it. Maybe because of Deb or maybe he, like Harry, saw value in Dexter. Lundy stalled and thought either Doakes would disappear or return and force his hand. Then he would have to act. However, Doakes' untimely demise cleared everything up and the BHB could just be left to die with him. But letting Doakes take the fall does not align with Lundy's morality. This is a big issue for me. I also think if Lundy didn't know, he would eventually find out. I think he still had his suspicions. I love Dexter. Maybe my favorite series ever. But Dexter had maybe the strongest plot armor of any character ever. Anytime someone was onto him that would cause moral damage to Dexter if he put them on his table, or would break his code, a third party swooped in and saved the day. Lila with Doakes, Christine Hill (Trinity's estranged daughter) with Lundy, and finally Deb with Laguerta.

[@a-oh2bc]

There's a scene where Lundy walks in on Dexter with a blood slide at a crime scene. He seemed suspicious. In S7, Lundy's notebook expressed doubts as Doakes being the BHB too