Frank Ocean to Return on Drake's New Album? | Joe Budden Reacts

[@majooglytango]

The silence when Ice said, "Watch The Throne was not a classic album," was deafening. They all looked around the room. lol.

[@TEN21Portraits]

I would absolutely hate to have a conversation with Joe Budden

[@mosesdeleon2481]

Deadass

[@KingD1926]

Always moving the goal posts

[@TopShotta2.23]

1 thing about Joe he gonna move the goal post & play mental Olympics

[@auxcordpapi]

Shit not me . I’m dying to debate Joe Budden and Akademics

[@mikeysam2953]

@@TopShotta2.23😂😂

[@richrdxson_ixvi]

Joe trolled Ice on that. He asked why nobody seemed as excited about the possibility of a Drake and Frank Ocean collab. Ice explained why he wasn't excited. The conversation could have just moved on but, it didn't 😂

[@FALUKYOURMOM]

joe getting that content

[@ianmiller7882]

So little air in the room with that Throne take 😂

[@aaaronic_arts]

That silence spoke volumes 😂

[@btrue2]

I hate how when artist tell us the feature on their album because it usually doesn't live up to expectations

[@JDotWill]

Does Joe not know the term “contrarian”? That applies more than “trolling”

[@BristolBerg]

"Ice, what do you think of water?" "Ice : I don't like it. Its just me tho 🤷🏾‍♂️ "

[@aj2468]

“But Ice, why don’t you like water?” Ice : “It’s MY opinion. I’m not tryna change y’all mind. That’s how I feel.”

[@sticky7387]

Comparing music to water is crazy. There’s nothing subjective about water

[@paulogdmg]

Lmfaooooo

[@LuckyStrike94_]

Lmao

[@bbotelhoHI]

@@sticky7387there absolutely can be subjectivity to water. That’s why these clowns like their Acua Panna and dong drink Dasani. “It taste funny”

[@jerrettharris7623]

I just went to Watch the Throne tracklist and the bottom line is Ice simply just can’t be trusted 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@TBurr030]

I’m wit Ice. Not a classic to me. But unlike Ice, I recognize when the world thinks something is classic. So I can’t deny it

[@KingGrizzBadara]

@@TBurr030 Agreed, it ain't a classic to me either. However, culture can determine what is and what isn't. I don't listen to Taylor Swift, but mad people do. It doesn't mean she is trash because I say so.

[@thetony8959]

That would be an awesome collaboration. I been looking for this collab for years

[@MrGizzyRey]

BRUH, ICE IS SOOOOO SENSITIVE

[@ZD33319]

He hate when that heat in him bra just pod nigga

[@charlesdufresne907]

frfr

[@Noirlore]

He from the farm

[@jordanfranklin189]

Parks be havin the audio TOO perfect sometimes 😂😂😂

[@RobertGallardo]

Watch the throne is a definition of a classic album

[@vii9284]

half of that album is trash

[@wavey_b0ne]

It's not

[@wavydavybeats]

Thank you, most of the ppl that don't create music or even know how is saying it's trash, everything on that album was perfect

[@IssTrip]

Watch The Throne is definitely a classic. I thought so when it released.

[@wavey_b0ne]

It's not top 5 in Jays or Ye's catalog. So no it's niptt

[@IssTrip]

@@wavey_b0ne Good thing it’s Jay Z & Kanye and not just Jay Z or just Kanye 🤔

[@shanmusic2673]

I'm a big Hov fan & Watch The Throne is not a classic. Solid project that aged well

[@jordanclarke6450]

Frank has 3 classics and one Great album in Endless. He deserves to be held in high regard, me personally

[@raymon2319]

using classics to argue about greatness is meaningless these days because people dont know what classic means. And everyone has their own definition of what a classic is which makes it meaningless. in 2023 If you are a fan of someone, all of his top projects become "classics". frank ocean does not have 3 classics thats a joke

[@tatertots0046]

Compared to Lucky Daye or Jacquees or Luke James, Frank is an untalented hack

[@bluethingable]

@@raymon23193 timeless albums. Biggie only put out 2 and he’s still in the all time greats conversation if not the greatest. Go listen to yeat

[@tyrelljohnson6901]

Americans definition of classic is silly to me. Frank doesn't have any classic.

[@BrandonThreatTV]

Yall throw the word " classic" out wayyy to much

[@reginaldboyd9755]

Im sick of ice and his negative music takes 😤

[@WeezyApologist]

It’s only “negative” because you don’t agree with it 😂

[@Augusto0926]

I can’t understand how Joe Budden has friends, all he do is twist words and change conversations to his liking 😂😂😂

[@TopShotta2.23]

1 thing about Joe he gonna move the goal post & play mental Olympics 😂

[@ptyten9718]

Ice the perfect example of someone who gets off on being a contrarian. I like bro but he seems to have this fixation on not being a part of the consensus opinion just for the sake of being different.

[@BristolBerg]

Couldn't have said it better lol

[@brandonb3711]

right! he be madd annoying with that

[@WeezyApologist]

People can’t have different opinions? Jeez

[@lawdhimself2423]

Conversation with Joe would be frustrating

[@raymon2319]

using classics to argue about greatness is meaningless these days because people dont know what classic means. And everyone has their own definition of what a classic is which makes it meaningless. in 2023 If you are a fan of someone, all of his top projects become "classics". frank ocean does not have 3 classics thats a joke

[@ahziahester8621]

At least two of that man’s projects are hailed as generation defining albums among critics and fans & sent a ripple through R&B lol. Yes they are classics.

[@mikeysam2953]

@@ahziahester8621what’s the ripple through R&B?! N who are these critics yo ?!😂

[@User61918]

@@mikeysam2953blonde and channel orange def classics i ain’t even a frank fan. nostalgia ultra the 3rd that ppl talk about but only frank dickriders consider that a classic

[@mikeysam2953]

@@User61918 y’all need to stop using the word “classic” too often. Only Chanel orange can be considered, the other two got a couple of great songs.

[@lepogomaboa4042]

This is Wild: the fact that you can say this so loud.. 3:47

[@ronmckenzie7053]

Ice been going crazy lately 😂

[@servaasdemuyt6403]

It's hard to say Ocean is overrated when he made 'Pyramids', arguably one of the best songs of all time in my opinion.

[@brandonb3711]

exactly!

[@ismaeladen2582]

Of all time my ass.

[@mikeysam2953]

These new music listeners 😂

[@kaiirosarchive]

Frank Ocean is a legend ice tripping

[@mikeberb]

Ice tripping . Watch the Throne is definitely a classic!

[@mikeysam2953]

Newbies don’t know that watch the throne wasn’t received well when it was released. It’s only in recent years when people go down Kanye’s memory lane…they see the project in a different light and it sounds superior mainly cuz today’s music sounds trash when you listen to that.

[@SunnyMarc]

Ice may think he sounds passionate but it’s super aggressive. Talking about music here not war, relax.

[@umdmovementcoaches6851]

I don’t think he sounded aggressive at all… But this is one of Joe’s gaslighting tactics 😂 he starts off as the calmest person in the room to make you look crazy, then when he gets aggressive and loud, suddenly everyone forgets what was said at the beginning 😂

[@Realadelphia]

ICE IS VERY INSENSITIVE AND INSECURE AND HE IS A BURDEN ON EVERYONE

[@philb707]

​@@umdmovementcoaches6851yuppppp

[@changeable1075]

@@umdmovementcoaches6851 Joe ain't say nothing aggressive this whole clip.

[@TopShotta2.23]

1 thing about Joe he gonna move the goal post & play mental Olympics 😂

[@Bowmacho]

"I say what I want to say!"- Orlando Brown

[@shaunwordplay3111]

That Watch The Throne comment was crazy. Ice bout to be iced for talking to Joe like this even though he was dead wrong this. WTF has too many hits and classic songs to disrespect it as only being hot because of Jay and Ye

[@johnem17]

Ice watch the throne is classic.

[@michelewood3965]

Some people can't even make one classic album

[@wavydavybeats]

This ngga Ice is crazy, Watch the Throne was the perfect classic hip hop album, Jay-Z had one of or possibly his best line ever on there "Bueller had a Muller so I switched it for a Mille cuz I'm richer and prior to this shit was movin' free base" smh

[@dirrtydunndunn]

Ice kinda acted like a crackhead when you call them a crackhead

[@wavydavybeats]

that ngga definitely smoking crack when he mentioned Watch the throne smh

[@TheyCSmith]

If your opinion isn’t the same you’re either trolling or hating. Horrible times we’re in.

[@Ra-sb2ln]

I think the feature is Usher

[@velvetblue2285]

I honestly am not a Frank Ocean fan or never understood the hype but…. That Watch the Throne take!!! Nigga!!! He knows good and well that was a CLASSIC!!! So many songs I could go bar for bar knowing the lyrics and the rhyme’s are insane on that song.

[@mikediddyTV]

That still doesn’t make it a classic. Y’all be overhyping these “popular” rappers and not the rappers who really spit.

[@velvetblue2285]

@@mikediddyTV you acting like that album didn’t have bars in the majority of the songs that were produced on it. Forget Otis and Niggas in Paris, you mean to tell me Primetime, Murder to Excellence, Gotta Have It, and The Joy weren’t bangers lyrically and music wise.

[@changeable1075]

@@mikediddyTV Name a classic album rn.

[@monsieurjohnson24]

I would like Drake to drop at least one full rap album.

[@mohussein6286]

I don’t think we’ll ever get that.. he’s got too many different audiences to appeal to

[@monsieurjohnson24]

@@mohussein6286 I understand, but it would nice if he did. I think he would be able to pull it off if he chose to do so.

[@kdotw17]

You can tell Ice hasn’t listened to Blonde since it came out. The shit is classic. Then he says Watch the throne not a classic smh.

[@fishoutofwaterseries1424]

I agree with Ice WTT not a classic highly overrated

[@youngcraig54]

Ice is crazy. Watch the throne is classic, frank ocean came from one of the greatest music collectives of all time OFWGKTA

[@Harveygregorxotwod]

He shouted him out on sticky aswell. I wonder if camp flog gnaw would accept drake if he did this

[@MvW99]

Only in this day and age Frank ocean is the only person who can “go missing”

[@stevenblackwood9968]

Watch the fuckimg Throne is a certified classic!!

[@peytonrosenberg6603]

Joe called His take ignorant and then says I didn’t give my opinion yet lol

[@cboog8928]

Both ish and Joe respectively are right in regards.

[@mzo.7333]

Ice's take doesnt hold. Lauryn Hill dropped one solo studio album and ghosted since (release wise) and shes up there

[@JaxkzonnGaming]

ice contradictory about frank ocean in the first 2 min lol first he say "DUE TO THE FACT THAT HE GO MISSING" ..... then when Joe tries to clarify he immediately back pedals lmao

[@Dgee_Reigns]

Ice is admitting that Frank is "great" and then say "he's not up there", contradiction right there😅. I want to know if he even knows what he's music about⚠️

[@cboog8928]

The Al bundy shirt hard

[@madeit2451]

Watch the throne isn’t a classic, big facts

[@mayiborrowadollar]

WHY DO YALL CALL EVERYTHING CLASSIC?! WTF...How is Blond a classic? "No Church in the Wild" is a classic song? Watch the Throne is a classic album??? LORD 🤣 Y'all have no standard when it comes to classics. None of this shit influenced generations, nothing sounds like it afterwards, they didn't sell a lot, there's just no reason to call this stuff classic. Oh and yeah Joe did attack Ice just because he doesn't care for Frank Ocean 🤷🏾‍♂

[@auxcordpapi]

Hopefully Drake and Frank can outdo “no church in the wild” cause sheeesh

[@cbiszen]

I don’t think frank is going to be on the album. Their styles are so different. Drake is better as a solo act.

[@brandonb3711]

both artists are versatile i think they pull off something dope and creative

[@jfraz1992]

I never heard of that rumor

[@Noirlore]

Why these dudes wasting so much time on a fake rumor. They have interns hired specifically to do research…

[@lovelegacy500]

Time to Renegotiate the Contracts 😂😂😂😂

[@mademanstl]

Joe did dismiss Ice. I would feel a way too.

[@breezy4_]

I’m with Ice, I really do not see the Frank Ocean hype. I’m sorry.

[@jdawg1902]

Frank Ocean has No Classics. Dude albums are not transcendent.

[@dariuswashington9997]

That’s the first classic of Frank ocean ?

[@SaluteTheVet]

Frank Ocean mixtape is like 80 something songs

[@EricMrRareAir]

3:47 what’s wrong with this guy?! 😂 i need whatever he’s smoking!!

[@derrickcox645]

Watch the throne is a classic. He’s trippin

[@ClumpLord]

I’m curious Ice thoughts on D’Angelo considering his thoughts on Frank Ocean?

[@catastrophecookies6066]

So true it’s usually no in between people like both or hate both lol

[@Realadelphia]

ICE REALLY A DXCKHEAD

[@TheChristian50]

I thought Zane lowe came out and said he never said that

[@meshame6785]

Ice was hella spicy during this episode. Relax!

[@EATZitUp]

He actually said “Frank Ocean ain’t there” out loud 😂🤣😭😭 Talk about out of touch 🤦🏽‍♂️ He literally just says absolutely anything 😭 then he gets defensive

[@Realadelphia]

WE DONT WANNA HEAR ICE EMOTIONAL ASS OPINION ABOUT MUSIC ANYMORE! THIS IS ONE MOMENT WHEN I GIVE JOE HIS PROPS AS AN INDUSTRY OG!

[@minfamous5841]

I’m out the looop like a mf I never heard a Frank ocean album

[@marcelprimes]

If it’s almost been a decade since you dropped a project you’re pretty much saying “f*ck you” to your fans.

[@TheGhostVillain]

U know Joe trolling whenever the conversation go from music to who’s mad & who’s not or now let’s talk about why my opinion is fact & yours is opinion based.

[@2w0nGranTurismo]

Ice was making a valid point, and then he went on a tangent. His music takes piss me off 70% of the time

[@NeckCrank]

Joe Budden sounds like 5 minutes before this question he got his period.

[@Keys2TheCity_]

Watch the throne not being a classic is crazy. But it's Ice so 🤷🏿‍♂️

[@thatwilightzone4760]

Frank Ocean so overrated. Miguel deserves the kind of love Frank gets

[@thatblackguyjones1981]

Honestly I think Childish Gambino better than Frank🤷🏾‍♂️

[@Hooperd2023]

Miguel could sit on gambinos shoulders and they’d STILL have to look up to Frank. Seriously…

[@thatwilightzone4760]

@@Hooperd2023 daaamn lol. Maybe I’m missing something with Frank . Cuz I don’t get it . Pyramids is fire tho

[@Hooperd2023]

@@thatwilightzone4760 lol nah you not, hes just really good songwriter and knows how to string an album together very well.

[@leeroyuckface6893]

Don't like all 3 ...but that's just me

[@Smoke_1tv]

Ice shirt 🔥🔥🔥

[@killercam126]

Poor take, D'angelo goes missing for years and drops bangers, same wirh Frank.

[@airflight1989]

The al bundy shirt ha ha nice

[@august_3rd]

Once he said WTT WASN'T A CLASSIC YEAH IM NOT LISTENING TO HIM 😂😂😂

[@biggmonie]

I agree with bald homie about Frank Ocean. He's no Sade.😩

[@GUMA34]

How is channel orange a classic ? Which one of the songs are timeless or regarded as classics on that album? Nostalgia does not make an album classic and you should not lower the classic bar becuase there are not many quality classic albums being made these days. That's crazy. Frank is alternative. He ain't known troughout the world. Maybe 2-3 songs are mainstream in the world. So stop throwing around classic tags

[@Kung_fu_doctor_87]

Yall crazy to say ice buggin he just being honest i hate when you be real now days people say you trolling or hating

[@bartowflorida]

Watch the Throne was trash. Blond was trash

[@premiumpreparationmedia]

That was a fake report btw

[@henryhudson4965]

Frank Ocean's first album was his only Good project 1:43

[@hazebanga]

blonde is a classic none of yall are tapped in lol

[@billy3603]

Frank ocean ain’t on The Weeknd’s level? Why am I listening to this?

[@Hooperd2023]

In terms of stardom and output, no. Frank and The Weeknd are apples and oranges. (No pun intended)

[@mouksb2000]

Nah, I agree with Ice. He's not at the level of the Weeknd. Yes, there's a mystique to him. He's elusive. But it's not like if Adèle dips for 5+ yrs n comes back n shatters records. Becomes a billboard bully in the sense where she has so much fire she bumps artists right off the map. Frank Ocean ain't there. He's a great artist . Ice be right when he says he can be a troll but is NOT always trolling. It's not fair to accuse Ice of trolling just because he diverges from the main on his views on Frank Ocean. Just chill on that.

[@hazebanga]

sorry ice but ur take on frank is wayyy off lol

[@straitupbw]

I remember when Ice hated on Future last album when it 1st came out. He also mentioned how he took 21 Savage off the album he made with Drake. And this mf said he be changing the artwork on album covers if he don't like them. Sounds like he's spoiled

[@ManMattWhat]

Lmaooooo called him spoiled

[@mikr2221]

ICE LOST HIS FUCKIN MIND

[@armandopadilla5596]

Jbp been goin crazy

[@slickvilla11]

Frank Ocean put out more classics and more body of work then Lauren Hill and she be going missing: Ice Crazy

[@Hooperd2023]

Because itd take 3 Channel Oranges’ and 3 Blond(e)’s to match 80 percent of *The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill* stop it.

[@brownhornet3461]

I agree with Ice. Wth is up with Joe lol? Fuckin up his own shit wtf? I see what he doin. Gotta know how to run a ship bruh. That money he got apparently wasn't indicative of his true capabilities to keep shit in order. Every time it's running smoothly its HIM jumping out on unnecessary bully shit instead of letting the panel organically rock out. And Joe can really work this pod shit. But lately he been showing his worst in regards to keeping shit afloat. You gonna sabotage ya own shit? C'mon son!

[@Ms110209]

Ice is so bitter all the time.

[@paisanthadon510]

WATCH THE THRONE ISNT A CLASSIC?! ICE NEED TO GO HOME AFTER THIS ONE

[@MADWEIRD]

I respect Ice personal opinion but Frank has 3 consensus classics, that’s definitely enough to go missing how many artist have 3 classic projects?

[@dikembegilbert633]

Ice needs slapping for this .. he tried Frank hard

[@Noirlore]

Facts he has more classics than drake

[@Noirlore]

Ice rates Chris brown over Frank. Enough for me to block anything out from his mouth

[@MarkoFrancisco-gd5jz]

Chris is better than frank bruh

[@Noirlore]

@@MarkoFrancisco-gd5jz not entertaining your nonsense. Lmk when Chris’ albums get held to franks regard

[@andilentobekomadlala5227]

​@@MarkoFrancisco-gd5jzwhat grass are you smoking?