Frank Vogel DID NOT deserve to lose his job! - Perk unhappy with the Suns' firing | SC with SVP

Kendrick Perkins joins SportsCenter with Scott Van Pelt to react to the news that the Phoenix Suns have fired head coach Frank Vogel.
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[@iwishiwasthomasshelby]

Vogel got $31 million for one year and zero playoff wins. I can achieve that too and would like to sign up.

[@fiberoptikstv7121]

Stop being a clown, you wouldnt even be able to coach a quarter

[@davewinston4304]

At the end of the job you'd feel nothing like some vampire drained you dry 😂

[@anirudhranjan2934]

I mean, his TEAM got 0 playoff wins. How can you call yourself a team a blame just 1 person when you lose. That's the opposite of a team

[@zyxtrr]

5 yr / $31 mil contract **

[@NoVisionGuy]

I believe you could get 0-82 season then, but get that bag bro lmao

[@Daausby]

Perk speaking facts….keep these guys accountable!

[@KennyrayOG]

Devin booker is too self to have the ball all the time.

[@1212CSmith]

"Soft-cupcake players?" I recall Mr. soft cupcake himself sitting on the bench as his teams fought in the preseason & playoffs, forget about the all-stars. Perk is such a lazy thinker and speaker.

[@waynesmith9408]

Accountable for WHAT ??? 2 WHOM ???

[@nassiglutt6587]

Facts??? Perk is a dosser tbh. Says these things but doesn't have the same energy for his daddy lebalco. If Frank doesn't deserve being fired, definitely ham doesn't as well. LA been beating playoff teams when lebronze sits with his fake injuries. Can't believe you're taking this clown seriously

[@csy2068]

You guys criticize coaches all year round and when they get fired you act surprised I don't get it

[@KayBeen]

Kendrick Perkins must not no that there is footage of him playing basketball.

[@urbaindelva7869]

This is more so on the front office than the players. Beal's injuries are not a surprise. Booker was actually trying to be unselfish by being more of a facilitator this year. Vogel was only hired because Ty Lue wasn't available, which means the front office didn't believe in him anyway. They gave him a top-heavy roster with glaring holes that did not fit the kind of coach he is, and told him to make it work. They actually did him a favor; at least he gets to keep the money he made.

[@christopherwarburton1889]

Exactly that, I get the accountability of the players, but as you said is more of the front office in how they construct the teams!

[@melanatedgod5337]

That's the thing, Booker isn't a point gaurd.

[@smoothsavage2870]

Frank was hired for Deandre Ayton. If you look at Frank's history, his best seasons are with Centers like Ayton. Problem is Ayton still wanted out even after they fired Monty Williams. Without Ayton, Frank Vogel became useless as he had nothing left to really offer once Ayton was gone.

[@GodzHypeMan]

I appreciate that the media is now including GM’s and roster construction in these conversations because imo winning is a collective thing. Players get blamed for not winning when the roster is not up to par and/or coaching is lacking. GM’s are usually exempt and coaches who do bad jobs are called scapegoats. If all 3 are not working well together then you have disaster. You need the right coach (not just a good coach) a GM that understands the team and the players to buy in. Look at Phil Jackson a hot take might be that he was the right coach for those 2 championship teams but may not have necessarily won on the Cavs or Hawks. He knew how to manage superstars we saw the inverse on the Knicks

[@BBSPIDEY232]

James Jones should be accountable for making that dumb move to get Beal and not a point guard. You hire a defensive minded head coach and get rid of the defensive pieces what do you expect. That’s the Suns for you.

[@Jermaine2099]

Apparently he never wanted him. But the new owner being a new owner got too involved in everything

[@ani2595]

Yeah he’s a good GM! It’s the owner that forced him to make those trades

[@tuanngnt]

​​@@ani2595I agreed and Frank Vogel also confirmed that he wanted the true PG player, not another SG superstar. Now he took the blame for something he didn't want in the first place.

[@myronbledsoe44]

​@@tuanngntYeah blame all the black players for the shitty coaches who don't know what they're doing..

[@nicholasnervina7337]

Matt Ishbia does not know basketball! You fire, Monty Williams and now Frank Vogel after one season? Wow!! And once you get a new coach and if the suns don't make the playoffs next season, you going to fire him too??

[@Jermaine2099]

He forced James Jones to get Beal too 😂

[@nicoalexander774]

“I’m tired boss.” ❤ 😢

[@jbwolf4]

Now pheonix has to hire Darvin ham! It’s literally perfect

[@dun3154]

They played iso ball the whole year with no adjustments he was not coaching

[@mccm333]

Exactly

[@philb.1502]

Vogel wasn't their first choice for the job. They wanted Ty Lue. The owner was very iffy with Vogel, so this result after a first round sweep isn't surprising. The owner poured a lot of money into the team.

[@loodakris5928]

what do you think of the owner?

[@sbs-0055]

@@loodakris5928he’s someone who doesn’t know any about basketball

[@mr.joshua6818]

As did the Lakers. Ty Lue can't coach every team. 😂

[@neverlookbackwilly]

on shitty picks, how to not win a chip: get beal and booker on max contract. They have the worst prospect until 2030.

[@jamesdavidian7717]

Ty who?

[@alexanderdumas-]

He didn’t deserve to be hired either, such is life

[@bigjigg5672]

That's fair 😂

[@APORIGINAL-bk2ly]

You gotta be black

[@ys-bo5zt]

Bro was using kd as a spot up shooter😂😂 definitely should’ve been fired

[@8Brodzta]

As soon as the suns stop building around booker, they will instantly improve the depth with trading him. Mikal bridges would have been the better player to build around - yeah, I'm a hater but I hate correctly

[@urbaindelva7869]

No, you don't. Bridges is not even proving to be worth building around in Brooklyn, so you're wrong. Bridges is basically Booker with better defense.

[@neverlookbackwilly]

@@urbaindelva7869 so u saying Booker is like Bridges with worst defense? Gotcha

[@thomascrowniii1693]

For everyone who claims Vogel didn't deserve to get fired I challenge you to watch all four of the Suns playoff games and tell me what adjustments Vogel made from game 1 to game 4 on either end of the floor. Point out how many ATO's he drew up in four games that actually worked. How many plays were drawn up to get Durant in space against KAT. What actions did the Suns use to get McDaniels and Walker off of Devin Booker. He's a defensive minded coach who couldn't maximize the offensive talent of two of the top ten scorers in the league. He had one of, if not the greatest, scorers in history standing in the corner watching Booker run pick n rolls with Nurkic; no mid post or elbow actions, no flares or pin downs, no two man game with Durant and Booker. He's not a creative enough offensive mind for THIS team.

[@smoothsavage2870]

They aint trying to hear this though because it contradicts the narratives.

[@mccm333]

Yep, dude had no idea what he was doing.

[@waynesmith9408]

EXCELLENT ANALYSIS POST

[@Evan-gi1hs]

another KD coach bites the dust!

[@RavagHer]

kinda wished steve kerr got fired too. how the hell do u get bounced in the first round last year. then not even make the playoffs this year? also the regular season wins has been horrible.

[@playtowin3031]

Perk the last person who should be mad 😂

[@user-iq5tg8fb7y]

While it wasn't entirely his fault (the lacking roster wasn't his fault), he should get a big part of it, because he doesn't make adjustments. Beside he never was the right man for the job (a defensive minded coach on a team that has only one defender).

[@leetraviusmckay314]

Stephen A "Bradley Beal ended up looking like a Washington Wizard" 😂

[@tomt5482]

Isn't player empowerment wonderful for the league. Coaches love being fired, fans love seeing their favourite player load manage and All-Star games have never been so exciting!!

[@mannied6395]

People blaming KD.....this was all on the owner, if you know the history of the Sun's owner, dude is Very impatient!

[@anirudhranjan2934]

KD expressed his problems with the coaching and offense in media. Him being not on the same page with the coach did not help. You think they would fire him if KD liked the coach?

[@neverlookbackwilly]

@@anirudhranjan2934 yea, the Suns owner said that he would die with beal kd and booker, thats why they are in max contract and they have zero draft picks until 2030. A genius of a chairman, lol-.

[@smoothsavage2870]

@@anirudhranjan2934 I think they still would've fired him. Frank is objectively one of the worst offensive coaches in the league. To have 3 offensive weapons and not be able to utilize them on that end of the floor just made him look bad. But i'm sure he'd have stayed and the season would've looked entirely different if Ayton didnt want out.

[@mannied6395]

@@anirudhranjan2934 Yes! Just like the Bulls got rid of Jackson even though MJ liked Phil.....and on the flip side just like the Heat kept Spo even though Lebron wanted him fired,...other than the Lakers, no team or owner is giving any player the final say so right now (input yes) but not the final so!

[@melanatedgod5337]

As a Mavs fan, i shouldn't be talking, but this is wrong. Blow that team up, and maybe You’ll be better in the future.

[@buddhavaro]

If players doesn't respect you, you got to go

[@justified004]

The Suns situation is slightly different than LA. This just screams that Phoenix is impatient. While LA did a horrible job building a team, we all could see Ham had issues with the basics of coaching. Yes, LeBron did him no favors but i recall everyone saying earlier this year that Ham needed to go. Vogel on the other hand only got a year and nothing he asked for. That has to be owned by the GM and KD.

[@EliteMixtapes]

💯

[@SquidysTents]

So a team that struggles on the defensive end is firing their defensive minded coach for an offensive minded coach who’s showed an inability to make postseason adjustments. It’s amazing how quickly the Suns could destroy their own franchise

[@GorgeousRock]

To be fair the Suns problem this season was offense. It was too much iso ball and not enough ball movement. Maybe Mike could unlock their offensive potential and actually run some decent olays

[@nerosismuse3139]

"Deserves got nothing to do with it. Just his time thats all!" -Snoop Pearson

[@paytontrue6973]

Suns biggest mistake…..I’d get rid of Kevin before getting rid of A LEGITIMATE CHAMPIONSHIP

[@smoothsavage2870]

Were you trying to call Frank a legitimate championship coach? Because that would be laughable. He won in 2020 because of luck. That year the Lakers were 11th in offense which had NOTHING to do with Frank. After that, the offense went back to what it normally is with Frank as HC, which was bottom 10.

[@besmorpheous]

He wasn’t a good fit for the team

[@richspizzaparty]

Well, Celtics need a coach.

[@intheshell35ify]

Perk is growing on me.

[@srdepr9186]

if there was a prize for talking bs, Kendrick Perkins would win every time

[@waynesmith9408]

PERKINS....TITLES...1 KING of ESPN BS 2 . BUFFET JEDI MASTER

[@smoothsavage2870]

Frank never should've gotten the job. He was only hired because of Deandre Ayton. Deandre Ayton left, so what was his purpose with the Suns? Anyone who knows Frank's history knows that he NEEDS a C like DA to run his famed defensive schemes. With him being terrible offensively, it just made the team look even worse.

[@harlemm6047]

It literally makes no sense why they fire coaches so fast. The lack of commitment and patience in the league is sad

[@focuz4899]

Why should we feel sorry for coaches? These dudes are making millions of dollars even after they get fired because the contract still has to be honored. The team is losing twice. Because they still have to pay him and a new coach when he arrives.

[@AxxinTheSupernova]

1. Need an athletic pass first point guard. I know those dont really exist anymore though. 2. Durant is the oldest between the three, he needs to lead the bench. 3. We need a pair of centers

[@hittkid6312]

Or a wing player that can facilitate and defend which is also rare but does give the Suns the size to play alongside Beal.

[@AxxinTheSupernova]

@@hittkid6312 I just dont think three of them on the floor at the same time works.

[@urbaindelva7869]

​@@AxxinTheSupernovaAre you gonna put Booker or Beal at SF?

[@AxxinTheSupernova]

@@urbaindelva7869 Booker since he is taller.

[@BLACKMAAT]

BECAUSE IF THE PRIVILEGES AFFORDED TO PIGMENTOCRACY, IT ID NEVER FRANK VOGEL'S FAULT. ITS ALWAYS "ROSTER CONSTRUCTION 🚧 "

[@datbio7302]

why they are allowed to fire a coach but cannot fire a player?

[@basmets]

They actually can? They can waive any player - unless there’s a specific clause in their contract, but coaches could also have such a clause. In both cases the team still owes the coach / player the remaining money

[@RatedTypeR]

Because of the players union

[@urbaindelva7869]

They can fire players. It's called waiving.

[@kevinmclain6741]

They can release a player any time they want.

[@DeoAlong]

coaches are a lot less expensive than players to fire/waive.

[@terencew7716]

Frank Vogel shouldn't have been fired

[@freeguy3751]

Get Steve Nash back in Phoenix 🤣🤣🤣

[@alexquintana8700]

Historically terrible 4th quarter team. Zero playoff wins with a healthy team with enough talent to at least compete. Clearly did not have the team’s respect.

[@adrenalinerush369]

LeBron and KD getting reps as coach killers now.

[@rogerjohnson833]

It wasn't Vogel's fault. The Sun are built wrong. They are not a team. They are a group of allstars individuals who thrown together. They don't have a facilitator at the point guard position. They don't have a legitimate power forward. Moreover, they are lacking defensively. In conclusion, they are ISO PLAYERS !

[@seth2388]

Perk acts like he was a good NBA player, buddy was below average and wouldn't play at all in today's NBA.

[@hashmapinc8613]

Let us make Perk happy

[@cremdeniro237]

So where is the bus rider

[@Nighthawk-8050]

It's not the coach It's the players simple as that

[@Jayoplantern]

Adam Silver ruined the NBA

[@dd_zzero6827]

Perk is so right. Cupcake players with no accountability. Well said

[@BLACKMAAT]

KENDRICK PERKINS SCORING POINTS BY DEFENDING FRANK VOGEL PERKINS DOING THAT "BUCK MEDIA"

[@DrewTRamz]

Frank was also not the answer.....

[@dave4138]

A 49 win team that ran into a buzzsaw Minny team thats won 2 road games in Denver now and 6-0 in the playoffs. Not sure what you want to do? I think often times GMs and owners want to deflect their poor roster construction, at least clearly not the best roster construction, on the coach and make then rake the fall. Vogel and Ham are good coaches....i havebt heard a ton of actual criticism about their in game decisions so not sure what the point actually is of firing these guys.

[@smoothsavage2870]

Vogel is a good coach, but he's had his FIRST top 10 offense this year solely due to the offensive talent of the Suns big 3. Please explain how that made him a good coach.

[@dave4138]

@@smoothsavage2870 you just said he's a good coach🤷. This is just a very shallow team, KD is old, Beal looks old (missed a ton of games), Booker..meh. not much else to be excited about. Grayson Allen, Nurk? Eric Gordan is like 90 years old. Vogel got the 6 seed....that's pretty good. We knew.early.on that this team, as constructed at the start of the year, was not a legit contender.

[@smoothsavage2870]

@@dave4138 You dont know how to read sarcasm CLEARLY. I was explaining how he's a bad coach. Stop giving me excuses for why Frank failed and explain how he's a good coach. The 6th seed is good??? Are you serious?

[@dave4138]

@@smoothsavage2870 Ya 6th is good in the west. The #4 clippers had two more wins so Phoenix or Mavs could've easily took the 4 spot . Would that have made you feel better about coach? You think this is a better team than Nuggs, wolves, or OKC? I think you're delusional to how good this roster actually is🤷

[@smoothsavage2870]

@@dave4138 You realize that you have to factor in losses too right? So no PHX couldnt have easily taken the 4 spot. You're not telling me anything that makes Frank a good coach, you're just trying to devalue the roster to give him an out. What makes Frank a good coach?

[@myronbledsoe44]

Need more cowbell baby!

[@joelreyes978]

Suns will hire Jim Boylen as head coach

[@domvic9]

Scott Van Pelt is invited to the BBQ

[@SANDMAN_7]

Why do the media think every head coach shouldn’t get fired?

[@cremdeniro237]

Its KD thats to be blamed not the coach yoh dont know bball if you think its the coach thats the problem kd got swept again this should never happen to a team kd is on barkely was correct he is a bus rider

[@smoothsavage2870]

@@cremdeniro237 KD should be blamed when the coach doesnt know how to make proper adjustments and offensive schemes? That KD hate has some of you pretty delusional.

[@CoachRJ334]

Susper stars are paid all this money and never takes accountability but takes credit when they win....I honestly felt bad for Frank Vogel ....

[@giffondhall9214]

Perk smokin crack Vogel was a bad coach

[@scottipippen6554]

Fire Devin Booker! A superstar wannabe, who never delievers when it matters the most!

[@urbaindelva7869]

He showed up in Game 4 against the Wolves.

[@breaknfiction21]

Why does Perk still have a job?

[@Legiey]

New coach same problem

[@VinayakPande53]

This shows how broken the NBA is. Players are guaranteed huge salaries no matter how much they suck and apparently can't be straight up cut from a team and general managers don't seem to accept any blame either. So the obvious scapegoat is the head coach.

[@smoothsavage2870]

Explain how Frank was exempt from blame this season.

[@ericradford2142]

That’s why the NFL will be no. 1. There are no guaranteed contracts.

[@ieverhart]

Sign John Wall!!!

[@Firme_Gee93]

😂😂

[@randyhoward2739]

Mike Budenholzer better not take this job

[@tuanngnt]

Why not, millions of dollars salary instead of staying at home.

[@jpprophete1988]

Really Phoenix???!!!! REALLY??!!!!

[@smoothsavage2870]

Why not. Tell me why Frank should've kept the job. He honestly had no business there once Deandre Ayton got traded. But by that point, he was already hired.

[@John-PaulHunt-wy7lf]

Vogel can't sell the team brand the sport or nike shoes Espn! KD CAN!

[@sergioandrade8874]

Trade Booker to the Lakers!!!

[@tendaichiota97]

beal playing cheeks all year and vogel is to blame i guess

[@grizzz_9042]

The GM James Jones should be fired he's the one who made these trades.

[@letsgetlit2829]

I thought he was gonna complain about white head coaches in the NBA. Seems to be his M.O. Then he comes out with this take and blames the lack of accountability and professionalism of the players and I think im in the bizarro world.

[@donbuyshousescash4765]

Darvin Ham shouldnt have gotten fired either.

[@colonelJ77]

KD = biggest joke ever

[@jamesdavidian7717]

Suns just needed to shoot more 3's.... but they have three stars that love shooting 2's. So the younger NBA players will run these guys out of the gym.

[@bimpernguen9519]

Perkins knows nothing while dictating this and that.

[@jrod132]

Not Vogel’s fault I mean the GM trading away what they need the most which is a PG (CP3) trading away for a washed up Beal

[@smoothsavage2870]

For Frank they needed Deandre Ayton the most for his defensive schemes. After they moved him Frank instantly became useless.

[@Enormiker]

Matt Ishbia is one of the worst owners in the NBA. Just because he played basketball doesnt mean that he understands what he is doing. Sell the team, Ishbia

[@FaLL-Edition52]

Devin Booker 👎👎👎

[@user-xq6yk5bh4z]

About time he gets booted out, terrible coach, I could've done a wayyy better job with that roster lol

[@deezosaintloyal]

Can we please stop giving KD credit for the GS championships in 2017 & 2018? Was he the best scorer? Absolutely… but KD has proven that any star scorer would have thrived in that system and helped GS win. Before KD went to GS, he couldn’t win anything. After Kd left, he attempted to form TWO SUPER TEAMS and failed MISERABLY. KD is not a winning player…. he’s a player that’s good enough to help you win if you already have the pieces ready . There’s a reason why Curry won before KD AND after KD. Curry > KD. its undeniable at this point

[@smoothsavage2870]

No. Because the Warriors were getting destroyed by the Cavs without him so long as the Cavs had their big 3. The Cavs big 3 is why they came crawling to KD in the first place. At least KD made the playoffs. Steph just missed the playoffs and everybody's worried about maximizing his next few years. Curry won the 1st chip because his opponent was injured. He won the last chip because he didnt have to go through Lebron to get it.

[@mrj5695]

KD coach assassin

[@Dliu1116]

Frank Vo Gone

[@clintperlman1492]

Wayne looking like a real mental patient lately

[@darrelhopkinson3560]

lol this owner a joke 😂

[@J3three]

I’d need to talk to his quad nothing was wrong with frank

[@smoothsavage2870]

You're loudly telling us that you werent watching the Suns this season lol.

[@J3three]

@@smoothsavage2870 how brad and db didn’t preform

[@J3three]

@@smoothsavage2870 when it mattered most

[@J3three]

@@smoothsavage2870 when their season was on the line

[@resurrectedainu6751]

Who these commentators think they are? Human resources? Lol You don't have power to say who deserve firing. He been fired before lol for a reason!!

[@perc9-4]

They overreacting they need a center and point guard not a new coach

[@energizedc1841]

Big Perk was keeping it all the way a million! Many NBA players are just a reflection of what is going on in society now. Soft, can't handle the responsibility or take accountability when in the wrong or out right play the victim card and blame someone or something else. The disrespect for a coach who has completed the mission is way out of pocket!

[@myronbledsoe44]

Why do these shows exist? Who gives a fart about what these retired players think?!The American public is media driven..Will believe anything they see or hear on tv..Get it from that individual's mouth.

[@ovo3954]

in time for lakers to pick him up XD

[@nicholasware2484]

Perk right these players cupcakes now thank god for ant man

[@user-nl4cn1ew4w]

Soft commissioner= soft league

[@MrDaddyRexx]

🤮🤮🤮

[@xDaPrincex]

I agree but Booker needs to be unselfish? He was good at PG all season long even SAS said he was good, Book never been selfish.

[@leonardo_da_g9168]

Stop it

[@CoachDarren]

KD, Book, Beal ain't winning anything together. Frank deserved another year. I usually don't agree with Perk but he nailed this.

[@commodorezero]

He didn't deserve to lose the Lakers job cause he won a title and then became a dumster fire. Here? They got swept in R1 with a superteam. Why should he be retained? Getting a new coach is one of the only ways the Suns could possibly turn this situation around.

[@urbaindelva7869]

Their roster has glaring holes in it that Vogel was not gonna fix. A new coach is not the answer, especially not Budenholzer.

[@commodorezero]

@Tobe-rn3of I'm not a Suns fan. But I'm not denying theres probably nothing that can be done. Changing the coach is one of the last options they have. Whether it works or not.

[@onlydbrasko]

Should've still been the Lakers coach. Strange firing on their part

[@smoothsavage2870]

@@urbaindelva7869 How many Suns games did you watch this season? Tell me what he was doing on the offensive end. He was hired for Deandre Ayton, but Ayton wanted out so they traded him. They likely cant get Frank the center he needs for his defense this offseason and with Frank's offense being hot garbage, what's the point in keeping him?

[@nbapbaupdate8338]

Kevin Durant TIMBERWOLVES next season 😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣😂

[@miketetteh95]

Hire budenholazer

[@LiteDnBFnatic]

Weird how all these teams want Ty Lue so badbthat they fire their first season head coach, when Ty Lue hasnt been to a championship in the past 5 years