Frank Yang - why I won't have children (srs)

[@frankyang]

I live a good and happy life. I am not a depressed person. At least not anymore. The conclusion i draw here comes from logic, not subjective emotions. People keep thinking that I'm depressed because I made this video. Nah/

[@frankyang]

Just because I know of something objectively, it doesn't mean that I should "do it". It's objectively true that most men will have desire for women other than his wife. It's objectively true that men are hard-wired to "cheat"...putting it bluntly, but does that mean one should? Objectivity doesn't always lead to the right kind of behavior. Time and space are not objectively what they seem from the physics' standpoint, but no one's going to act accordingly to "objective time"

[@frankyang]

And you are contradicting yourself. My time spent on bodybuilding is not natural at all. Bodybuilding is a very artificial sport. According to my argument, bringing a baby is bad because existence is bad, since it by default entails suffering. Am I hurting anyone by bodybuilding? I doubt it.

[@frankyang]

im 42. I look young, like my mom.

[@andresperez-wc8ty]

You forget Ego. Some folks believe of their children as their legacy to society.

[@triantv.6824]

selfishness...

[@gamwpanagia]

What's so wrong with that you wannabe intellectuals

[@mandalorian4620]

@@gamwpanagia It is not wrong but it makes no sense, it is a selfish fantasy. If it does happen the child is a cheap copy of its parent.

[@gamwpanagia]

@@mandalorian4620 OR IT IS A BIOLOGICAL REALITY YOU FUCKING IMBECILES. That's literally how our species survives. "it makes no sense" YOU make no sense.

[@frankyang]

Did you miss the part where I mentioned that happiness is fruitless anyway? It's just a temporary absence of suffering. We are forever "in debt"

[@frankyang]

Because killing a fetus is not the same as killing a full grown man? lol...

[@frankyang]

I didn't say this is why most people don't want to have kids. I am simply saying that most people SHOULDN'T have kids because of these reasons. A lot of people don't want kids NOT for these reasons.

[@frankyang]

for the 100000000000000000000th time, I am fine with my own existence because I happen to be one of the more fortunate individuals (although not 100 percent), but for the majority of the organisms on this planet, existence is mostly suffering. And even if I want to end my own life, we are programmed to self preserve at all cost, thus making suicide just about the most difficult thing there is in existence. Jeez people need to WATCH THE GODDAMN VIDEO every question has been addressed

[@infinitewarr1or699]

without suffering one cannot experience pleasure, therefore the suffering is requisite to seek fulfilment. This enables advancement. Without life this is not possible.

[@ss00mm11]

Nothing matters objectively, and your values are unique to you. Even feelings you feel are result of a subconscious, involuntary value your body gives. I dont kill myself cuz i wanna fuck around a little bit and enjoy having consciousness for a while.

[@bentleyg90]

I agree with this 100%. Having kids is the most unknowingly selfish act a person can commit. They didn't ask to exist, and you're gambling on their life just so you can feel this illusion called "happiness," and so others will think of you in a better light. As always, great video, Frank.

[@roymarshall_]

"Imagine how boring life must be" If you're having a child so you wont be as bored with your life, you probably shouldn't be having a child

[@hansolzy]

i want that hat

[@reeson226]

Hansol the firemage watches Frank Yang, cool. lol

[@SolitaryAnnihilation]

everybody clings to life in some point of their lives, sadness and misery is just a perspective, an idea that comes from expectations of urself or others thats why choosing to be a prodigy is an amazing option, be urself, neglect others, conquer all life!

[@frankyang]

definitely not. If the desire to have sex and the desire to want to have a child is the same, then people wouldn't need contraceptives.

[@insanepickleboy]

suffering is an opinion. pain is an opinion. this is my opinion.

[@bigrobfitness7953]

Come back to me on that when you’re dying of cancer in a couple of decades.

[@1995yuda]

Happy reading the description and seeing you changed your mind. Keep evolving brother. Life IS good, maybe even too good !!

[@frankyang]

There's always some kind of underlying, subconscious reason why you fee happiness. A removal of suffering ...

[@williamgrant8043]

A bitter pill to swallow. How do we get people on board?

[@frankyang]

Why don't you watch the fucking video. 1. We are programmed to self preserve at all cost, thus making suicide extremely difficult, therefore to prevent another life from not wanting life at all, do not even let it come into existence in the first place 2. i enjoy my life quite a bit, but that doesn't mean everyone is fortunate enough to experiences more pleasure than pain.

[@Ciutacosfera]

Bringing a child in the world involves a great responsibility but unfortunately procreation can be done by any looser who don't know on what planet he lives.

[@enacku]

@13:28 "We're programmed to not kill ourselves, but its a lot easier if someone else helps you do it" lol Frank just helped out a lot of people on the edge of suicide, realize all they needed was a suicide coach.

[@frankyang]

You are missing the whole point.I do these things precisely because I find the universe extremely meaningless.I am sure a lot of other artists and musicians and philosophers will tell you the same thing.Making meanings for oneself is as "natural" as the need for food and sex.It's the same reason why a hungrier person will do more for food than a full person. I am trying to PREVENT more meaningless lives from coming into existence, but for those of us who are already here, make the best out of it

[@DaVinciDaSecond]

And what exactly, are the 'beatings, rapes and humiliations' of life that make life so unbearable to live?

[@frankyang]

Of course i am aware of this fact. As a matter of fact, i stated clearly in the video and in various comments that just because we are programmed to do something, it does't mean that we "ought" to. Cheating is wrong, but most men are programmed to do so. According to my stance, creating children is wrong, and it doesn't mean we should. We have the INTELLIGENCE to suppress what's "nature", that is why we are humans.

[@BFG8000]

Throughout our childhood we were conditioned to live a certain way. In adolescence we created our own way of living. And NOW we are aware that it was all for nothing, we were tricked to belief that what we did meant something. Now we continue to do it because of habit, being lost and trying to avoid pain. Our mind and body is used to living like this and it prevents us of ending it. This vicious cycle continues on and on and on with every newborn.

[@frankyang]

Life's purpose is not happiness. A sentient life's worth is measured by its ability to FEEL (pain and pleasure)...that is not the same as "purpose';

[@TheSobertoaster]

any intelligent person comes to this conclusion. nice frank yang. People have kid's for themselves, they are used as a means to an end for the parents happiness. And when life is built out of hunger and deprivation states and the rebound from these states it's only logical to conclude forcing something into that entropy and degradation is selfish for your fish/bird brain happiness. which, having kids doesn't even make people happy anyway statistically.

[@BladeKnight]

You mean any depressed person :v

[@frankyang]

That's a good question. I guess it's up the to the parent to decide this. I can only strongly suggesting to have an abortion. But if you follow my logic, and that non- existence is better than existence, then it is more justifiable to kill a person than to let it live...providing the fact that the killing is painless.

[@Patrick-zx7do]

Wait so Frank doesn't believe this anymore according to the description right?

[@Jescide]

i think otherwise, what he said was the truth. probably doesn't want to promote suicide because i've seen some suicidal comments here

[@frankyang]

That's one of the selfish reasons i listed actually.

[@akashnaresh7683]

My God I love this guy

[@Smash3x]

I don't blame you man, the world is actually fucked and why would anyone want to bring a child into this fucked up world?

[@lawnchair6997]

Do you still believe that 6 years later?

[@stuqua]

Sadness (like all other emotions) is just a temporary absence of insentience.

[@-Brendon-]

I’m curious what your thoughts are on this now Frank hahaha! So much has changed.

[@FruitCakexDD]

I respect you so much, its ridiculous... Everything you said made sense, and the last bit about suicide and parents doing it for themselves was perfect.

[@topsecretjony]

agree ... perfect video

[@Fight2LiveIive2fight]

i think having a kid is like leaving the best possible legacy in this planet

[@Jonny-eu7le]

Nothing will ever make you happy. People think kids are the next step and they're still miserable

[@frankyang]

well the whole premise of antinatalism is that pleasure and pain are not symmetrical...

[@TeRrOrRiStU]

Frank, you're really smart. I wish more people would listen to you. I think i'm starting to realize why you are trolling so much, so you can catch the attention of as many people as you can, hook them with your trolling(which has a message attached to it most of the time) and then make a serious video, indoctrinating them with new ideas and ways to see the world. I admire that.

[@frankyang]

this IS the reason why i don't want kids, but unfortunately, not most people's/

[@satchitananda4658]

YES! So we can see that when you give up totally, when you stop running after the world, you find that happiness, joy and bliss was always there for you, but your ceaseless craving and running after the world prevented you from seeing it.

[@here5574]

Why do people ask if someone is on coke, drugs, etc. when Frank or anyone says something "odd" or acts differently just listen.

[@frankyang]

so you didn't consciously decide whether or not you want to type this sentence?

[@Pollockdinner]

People who say they don't want kids usually end up having kids. Guarantee he will change his mind and have kids.

[@deathpresent101]

no man not everyone should have kid but there are people who are defiantly parent material. it is a big responsibility that isn't for everyone but that doesn't make you stupid.

[@BFG8000]

That's right, I tried this once when I was down on my luck and standing in the rain. I wanted to be happy so I became happy, while I had all the reasons not to be.

[@frankyang]

care to defend your own position and tell me why? I need an argument.

[@frankyang]

I don't think my existence is particularly bad, but a lot of people's are. Suicide is the hardest thing to do since we are all programmed to self preserve for the goddamn selfish DNAs. That's why I argued for euthanasia

[@kakashi088]

you could say it would be a one sided relationship as your body is continuously giving and you are simply just taking. if you were to work to give back to your body, your body would respond. if you give as much as you receive from your body you would be content. if you gave less then what your body required from working for you, you would suffer.

[@frankyang]

I've seen a lot of those videos. Like the what the fuck do we know documentary. Extremely interesting yet unconvincing at the same time.

[@frankyang]

This doesn't hold. Are you saying we should do everything that nature dictates? That's called the naturalistic fallacy. If you feel horny, even if you are married, then should you fuck other women just because its "natural" for men to want to spread his seeds?

[@antoshahorosha]

Also, one of the reasons why we want to control our children may be, because children fulfill the ancient dream of immortality and we feel by extension our children, are us, and we often times than not attempt to live through our children.

[@Scruffy77]

at first i was like im not gonna watch a 17min vid on why frank doesnt want to have kids, i was wrong

[@frankyang]

what? can you tell me just ONE living vertebrate that doesn't feel pain? If you can't then of their existence brings suffering. Are you going to skin a cat and presume that it doesn't feel pain therefore justify it been killed?

[@TotoLFC]

Although I don't agree with not having children, you have some very good points. I always find it crazy that people say parenting is one of the hardest things in the world yet anyone can do it even at a young age. You have to be educated to be a doctor or to do some type of engineering etc but any fool can have kids. I always say there's a difference between mothering and parenting a child. Two very different things. Most people are mothered but a very few out of them are actually parented.

[@frankyang]

yes.

[@slimjim88]

I like fronk, hes smart, lifts, and doesn't afraid of anything.

[@whiteb011]

When i grow up i want to have children because i want someone else to experience this life with me. I want them to grow up and learn whats good and bad about the world. I want to teach them how to do the right and wrong things. Having a child is a wonderful thing. You said that it was selfish to have kids, i think you meant to say that people who have the wrong reasons are selfish not everyone who has a kid.

[@frankyang]

Yes everything is selfish if you want to state it like that. But perhaps certain acts of selfishness yield more pain than others?

[@00Maximilian]

Regarding your reasons about having children, what do you think of people who want to carry on their genetic data to the next generation? Or maybe just on the off chance that you can be proud of what you created?

[@kixxa101]

Again, deliver a message of why YOU don't want to have kids, NOT most people.

[@satchitananda4658]

9:51 "So in other words, happiness is just an illusion" Why? You can be happy for no reason, right?

[@HarrisonBos]

Hey frank whats the story with the image set of you and that old-man in a hotel/motel room?

[@B1indFremen]

That's why I watch lots of TV/movies/read lots of books. It's like living multiple lives! ~~foreveralone~~

[@r3fus32d13]

There could be a necessity with nature evolving to consciousness. Conscious beings have trillion times more potential than non conscious beings... There must be a reason for survival and for our awareness, if it doesn't come now then many things will only be known in the future. This is not the limit. Realizing your own illusions does not mean the end of your journey. Above self-actualization is the "sacred". Your ability to connect with a bigger entity. Same thing as individual atoms all working in unison to achieve the state of a molecule, cells, and ultimately a seperate being wiht own direction and purpose.

[@Ahmedj24]

Bro i will be honest, i disagree with you on alot of things u have said in the video but i still respect your opinion. Stay safe bro ;)

[@5k4k1dhtp]

I haven't finished the video yet, but I just want to say that at least so far I agree with you and I think it's funny yet very expected that other people are getting mad about what you're saying. All these people want children, but I don't. I'm happy to hear you don't either, I think we're coming from a good place.

[@DiogoDC123]

wtf does that have to do with looking into the camera or not?

[@DaVinciDaSecond]

How else, would we know what 'suffering' is, if we haven't experienced the comfort? If life were only full of suffering we wouldn't know the difference.

[@cliffibom]

i wonder if many suffering people have ended their lives after watching this video

[@OMFGLOLROTFLWTF]

he said before that he hates his existance but cant kill himself because of human nature

[@j0xIWsNt]

here's what i think about the parents allowing their children to die: parents shouldn't allow it IF it's some short term bullshit i.e. child broke up with boy/girlfriend, depressed and wants to kill him/herself. people aren't able to make rational decisions when under the influence of negative emotions (even positive, in some situations). i think it's only acceptable if the child has been feeling like he/she doesn't belong for a long time and there's nothing the parents can do to make him/her

[@andypejman]

if u were wide awake u would not exist in this dream

[@Pendaz11]

someone pleease tell me where to get those beanies!

[@1Petter5]

So what happens if Vivian gets pregnant and she don't want to have an abortion?

[@eromattiffarg]

Damn frank, your thoughts are all over the place on this one. Obviously there are wrong reasons to have kids, but that isn't any of your business because you aren't going to indulge into any of those wrong reasons thus it is irrelevant. The worst part of this video is that I've taken notice to your pessimism. Bottom line you don't want to have kids because you fear of bad things that are going to happen to them in their lives. If that's your belief then I respect it, but I also pity you.

[@Njliving22]

We are here to experience. Choose them

[@Gongchiu]

You didn't answer my question about Vivian's thoughts, so what are her thoughts on you not wanting to have children does she definitely have 100% the same view?

[@NotSureIfSrs_x]

not sure if srs

[@Ciutacosfera]

existence is suffering and happiness and other ,each individual controls its destiny as he wishes, by its acts, depends on the genes that are activated in his genetic code.the child is like a blank cd,what he write on him,depends by himself,the anturage and many other circumstances

[@sayedshou]

Hey Frank I enjoy your videos....... What is some good books that you think are beneficial? and more violin tutorial....... Good luck.

[@frankyang]

That's the narrative of this video!

[@frankyang]

No i am wide awake.

[@e00d20]

i love you for posting this

[@cultivatelife]

What does Vivian think about all this?

[@COReYY101096]

Frank how come you don't live in Taiwan anymore?

[@InsertDessertHere]

That's exactly how i think but most people around me are in denial and dont want to think realistically. Humans can be very ignorant.

[@5k4k1dhtp]

I cannot agree with you enough, I wish I could like and favorite this multiple times.

[@frankyang]

yes. It's cruel.. worse than killing someone iMo if u don't let a person die when he wants t o

[@hawkscout17]

Parents do give their child death but most of the population never regrets their existence and they do have much more pleasure than pain weather it is derived from our pro creating design or not.

[@roymarshall_]

Not true. He understands his circumstances, so if anything he is completely free. He does exactly what he wants to fulfill his human desires. Because thats all we have. Human desires. He does it because he wants to, and thats it.

[@OGTripleTriple]

You have a great point. What I want to know is where to get that damn hat. It's the best!

[@crisDAwog]

if you were never born you would have never known, life is pointless and painful if you believe it to be so, life is also wonderful and enjoyable if you believe it to be so, so i agree and i also disagree with my ideal and also yours

[@DomoSensei]

daily dose of Frank Yang, thank you

[@umadumadumad]

very important video

[@eightyeightdays]

It's easy to invent reasons for living once you are alive, much harder to justify creating that life in the first place.

[@grencyc]

where did you buy the hat'?

[@frankyang]

exactly