Free Fast Silent CCS? 46kW IONIQ Electric Rapid Charge At Lidl POD Point UK

[@Smoje79]

In Spain we have also free chargers in Lidl supermarkets (quite similar like in this video) maximum charge: 7 KW

[@AndyJHiscock]

Great video. Lidl are really forward thinking company. Our local one has a free charger and has been proven very popular. We've now switched to do most our shopping at Lidl as it's ideal to do a charger whilst you shop, although its a little too popular at times. Thanks Lidl!

[@ZeroTailpipe]

Great :) I think this one has brought people to this Lidl too.

[@RWBHere]

3:18 - KZbin's aggressive audio processing seems to have filtered out the high-pitched whine. I can only hear the fans.

[@ZeroTailpipe]

Thanks. I can hear it (just) but it’s faint beneath the fans, I agree...

[@Kronospace]

Pod point have put up a blog post on their website detailed the roll out of 7kw and 50kw chargers to 600 Tesco stores across the uk. They say that they will adopt contactless payment for the sites that decide to charge(£) for the rapid charge.

[@ZeroTailpipe]

Great news :) I visited a contactless payment Instavolt rapid charger recently. Video about that coming soon...

[@TheAlien1974]

It's 2021 and I've never seen a single Lidl free charger where I live in Wales

[@ZeroTailpipe]

Whoah. That’s a shame :(

[@markcornwall8132]

Always used Electric Highway when we had a chademo Soul but as we are now CCS with a Kona went for the 2 x CCS/chademo units at most Instavolt sites instead. My god what a difference, silent 46-48kw real output and any contactless card payment (although still free at present) and units inspected repaired and cleaned every two weeks or sooner if they have a problem. Electric Highway is throttled to 43kw max to try and stop the DBT units from overheating. Electric Highway really need to get a minimum of 2 CCS everywhere now, take card payment and be reliable before I will think of using them again.

[@ZeroTailpipe]

Great. I’ll definitely include Instavolt in the upcoming ‘charger crawl’ video :)

[@MartynDews]

I've used the InstaVolt chargers a few times and I agree, they are great. I'm not sure why they are still free. It's a little concerning. As odd as it may sound, I hope they start to charge soon. Giving away a product is not a great business model as Ecotricity have discovered. I'd like them to be a success.

[@alanfrench6170]

In New Zealand we have lots of chargers like the one at lidl. They are all free where I live. They are also quick, it has only taken 25 mins max from 10% to 90 %. I too have an Ioniq.

[@ZeroTailpipe]

Great :)

[@MartynDews]

Another great video. I admire your optimism in that Ecotricity will be upgrading the network. It's been talked about for a while now but nothing of any substance has been announced.

[@ZeroTailpipe]

Thanks. Yes, I live in hope ... :)

[@andywonline]

I was at a Moto service station several months ago & was approached by a Moto head office staffer claiming to be scoping the site for their own charging solution - didn't mention ecotricity. Wish I'd asked more questions but was only in for a splash & dash. One interesting thing he did say was they were expecting mass adoption & needed to cater for it.

[@MiguelRamos-up5tf]

Yes, ABB are good, but I don't recall the ones I've used being silent. Efacec are also as fast as the 50kW CCS standard goes (which is 125A). DBT-CEV are not only slow (which ends up being good on a very long trip, because they won't heat the battery so much) but I also find that they tend to overcharge for the electricity you get. Whereas on Efacec the car usually measures about the same as the charger (check using Torque Pro), on DBT-CEV the car measures less. An explanation could be losses in the cable, which is usually quite big and is rolled over the top of the charger, but is probably not as thick as it could be, so there's a lot of losses...

[@ZeroTailpipe]

Great info, thanks. Any discrepancy between charge delivered and charge billed is not good :( I’ve suspected that a few times on DBT so interesting that you raise this... The poor reliability is my main gripe. Don’t mind being overcharged a few percent of it actually works ;)

[@lesliesmith6442]

That is wrong, there is not a lot of loss on the cables. Loss would turn into heat, which would make the cable hot and malfunction. Billing can be done from the DC or AC side. For a DC car charging, if you billed from the AC side, the efficiency of the charger would add to the bill. e.g. at 92% efficiency, the car would consume 9.2 kWh, but the bill would be 10kWh.

[@simoncanfer5030]

PodPoint/ABB rapids are great. Good that we can also use AC if the DC side is in use, albeit at 7kW. Shame Ioniq doesn't have 3-phase AC! I think all charger locations should have a couple of AC 7kW points available as well.

[@ZeroTailpipe]

Thanks. Interesting to know the AC / DC usage conditions :)

[@lesliesmith6442]

The DC Rapid chargers can have their output set depending on the up stream breaker rating, or the rating of the DC cable from the unit to the car. So if the cable was rated to 100A, then the max output at 360V is 36 kW. But another car which a 400V battery would be able to draw 40kW. The noise is the unit chopping up the AC waveform at 10kHz so it can use a much smaller transformer, before changing to DC. Newer models run at 20kHz, so only annoy children.

[@ZeroTailpipe]

Great info, thanks! And a good way to track my hearing degrading... ;) [I just Googled for a test, found www.audiocheck.net/audiotests_frequencycheckhigh.php, and I think my ears top out about 14kHz... will have to try with my kids...]

[@petecoventry6858]

2:30 it cut chademo off. no charger can do DC x 2 at the same time

[@2namtaB]

I have a 7kw Pod-point charger at home and think it's great. It's quiet connects by WiFi too my app to keep track of the charging rate and cost. It usually fully charges my 60ah BMW i3 in about 3 hours 30 minutes and costs about £2.50. I only charge from home and have not tried a public charger yet.

[@ZeroTailpipe]

That sounds great. Our home unit is not smart. I only know when it is or isn’t charging because the fuse in the consumer unit buzzes a bit when it’s running...

[@2namtaB]

@@ZeroTailpipe I was made aware of the company from Robert Llewelyn's FullyCharged KZbin page. They even do firmware updates to the unit when they find more efficiencies. My other choice of a charger would of been the Zappi charger.

[@chriswortley5]

The home AC chargers are just a fancy plug that deliver power to the cars own charger. I would be worried if there were any sounds coming from these.

[@2namtaB]

@@chriswortley5 it's not just a fancy plug, it delivers twice the power you would get from a normal household outlet and therefore reduces the charge time by half.

[@chriswortley5]

Lol. Its a common mistake, the standard AC plug does not charge the car or increase the power available in any way (don't get picky I know they have various safety features). Its just a connection between the upgraded supply (to the plug) and the cars own onboard charger. Only a DC often called "rapid chargers" can charge the car.

[@volvocars5189]

We have quite a lot of these ABB chargers in Sweden and Norway. Works a treat most of the time. I don't think I've come across a faulty one until this date. And a twist, ABB is a Swiss-Swedish company. 😜

[@ZeroTailpipe]

Great :)

[@GSino]

Hello, you are lucky :) I am asking Lidl here in Greece to install chargers in the supermarkers but i dont have any response yet! I can see also you are close to 1000 subscribers! Well done! I am trying as well :) Good luck!

[@ZeroTailpipe]

Thanks. Hope Lidl puts them in for you :) Just watched your e-up! emergency brake video. Well done! Want to do this in our IONIQ. Not worked up the courage. Keep worrying the airbag might go off etc ;)

[@GSino]

@@ZeroTailpipe You have to use something very light or soft that will not activate the airbag if hits the obstacle. I used empty boxes and over the boxes i put air bables layer. You can try it with low speed. Works only from 5-30km/h. It was fun because we were many people... :) Thanks for watching :) Greetings!

[@TassieEV]

One thing about fast chargers that suck is no contactless payment options on the majority of them. I've seen Bjorns rfids and apps crazy. You don't pay for petrol with rfids or apps why with fast chargers???

[@ZeroTailpipe]

I know... this is a long-standing gripe for me... why re-invent payment??? :)

[@automatix5]

On this charger, you only can charge 1 car on DC at the same time, DC and AC can be charged together. Here in Germany we have a lot of this ABB-chargers and mostly they work fine. If you want to hear a very loud DC-Charger, you should try one from Efacec ;-) And the Ioniq tapers off at 82% SoC to 22kW. You can check this and other things with Torque Pro for Android and an OBD-Dongle.

[@ZeroTailpipe]

Useful to know, thanks :)

[@automatix5]

@@ZeroTailpipe Fastned says, they will expand to the UK next year. On the newer stations they have 175kW-chargers, an Ioniq can charge with 67-68kW max there. In Germany we have until now 3 stations of them working and more under construction. In NL you find them everywhere ;) And they also use ABB chargers.

[@davidsworld5837]

lidl ones may be moving to 23 p a kwh by pod point and not free

[@ZeroTailpipe]

Yeah. They were moving to an app as I moved out of the UK but hadn’t started charging yet :(

[@jOeLwAlBy]

This is my go to charger in lidl todmorden

[@ZeroTailpipe]

:)

[@stumpywest1652]

have you tried the newer ioniq?

[@mcarter5054]

I'll wager that the red triangle for the Leaf was a warning that there was no power for that connector. Do any of these charging providers have security so that others can't stop your session and start theirs?

[@ZeroTailpipe]

Sadly I think these free ones can be stopped by anyone at any point...

[@TheBeggFamily]

Very helpful.

[@ZeroTailpipe]

Thanks :)

[@btnbiker]

I avoid Ecotricity like the plague, I plan my trips around Polar Plus, like Lidl its a pleasant experience ( I get free PP membership with my OVO energy supplier)

[@ZeroTailpipe]

Useful to know, thanks. I wasn’t aware of free Polar Plus memberships. That’s great :)

[@btnbiker]

@@ZeroTailpipe yep just drive up to Nottingham using PP (one stop and then at my arrival hotel) 20 min to fully charge each time, brilliant

[@jasondavis545]

Which Lidl is it? As if it’s just of the M62 heading to the A1/M from Manchester side could be useful to know where it’s location is as a back up of Ecotricity network is down!

[@ZeroTailpipe]

There’s apparently a rapid charger at the Bentley Lidl which might serve the area you’re needing? I looked up on the Pod Point app and there aren’t that many rapids in this area (yet). Most are 3 or 7kW points only. I checked back and the one in this video that I spotted whilst driving past was in the town of Todmorden. Not a short detour from the M62 sadly. Only useful if your route takes you North from there, say up towards Skipton, as the charger coverage is a bit patchy in that direction generally...

[@jasondavis545]

Hi thx for that, I’ve also found a few rapids at other Lidl’s around the Yorkshire area, one is just off the 62 just before it joins the A1/M, found it via the pod point app as well as one at Knaresbourgh too.

[@Thomas-in2wu]

I'm planning a trip to London with my IONIQ. Does the Pod-Point APP cover most of the chargers in UK or do I need something else?

[@ZeroTailpipe]

Thanks. No. I made a recent trip and noticed Pod Point rapids seem quite rare. I’d suggest looking for Polar rapids (app may work or you may need a subscription RFID card in advance), Instavolt rapids (contactless payment I believe) or the usual Ecotricity rapids (app only). I hope this helps

[@pete9b]

Another good video, thanks!!....

[@ZeroTailpipe]

Thanks. I’ve since discovered how rare these particular good units are. Looked for some on a recent 200 mile trip - none anywhere close! :)

[@ursodermatt8809]

the ABB charger is probably more efficient in AC/DC conversion and therefore needs less cooling

[@ZeroTailpipe]

Possibly :)

[@enduro_six8419]

i like that car! i love this vichle:)

[@ZeroTailpipe]

:)

[@danielfearns7125]

If Hyundai bring out an App you'll be able to use that to check charging instead of having to keep walking to your Ioniq.

[@ZeroTailpipe]

Yes. This is true :)

[@Lewis_Standing]

Success! This now exists bluelink works great in my kona

[@arenjay3278]

Should be able to use a phone app on most chargers.

[@REXgbg]

ABB is Swedish and Swiss. 😉🇸🇪

[@ZeroTailpipe]

Cool :)

[@Kimppikoo]

ABB = Asea Brown Boveri

[@ZeroTailpipe]

Thanks! :)