FREE Matt Hoover! - CRS Firearms Is A Political Prisoner

[@code_red7744]

I started watching CRS Firearms early on and it’s a shame what those two men have been through.

[@sawtoothtactical404]

It really is.

[@chrisfisher3900]

Yeah they railroaded the shit out of those two guys

[@sawtoothtactical404]

They sure did! It's a sad situation.

[@kamaseya]

They were convinced on intent. The first I have ever heard of this being a crime.

[@threat2demoracy5454]

Ty for including Justin. Everyone gets so hung up on Matt. Yes they both need let go. In fact, I'm suprised we let them lock them up. When is enough enough?

[@sawtoothtactical404]

Seriously!

[@2024MakeAmericaGreatAgain]

I agree 100%

[@sawtoothtactical404]

Yep. It's sad.

[@ccoop2416]

That dude is still in jail wtf ,this is some tyrannical people 🤨🇺🇸🗽✌️

[@danielwade7.62x51]

Such a failed state we live in , this disgusts me , fathers with kids , pray for these guys , this was a statement by the tyranical elite .....it was all proved tge keycards could not be made to function ... 😢😢😢 never forget , bc this is jus the beginning

[@sawtoothtactical404]

I fear that it may be just the beginning.

[@AllanPowell]

Lmao. People keep saying this but it’s verifiably false. ATF got two working. Gotta stop watching cnn. Crump news network

[@choke666]

Don't poke the bear. Sad but true. Hopefully, they'll decide he can be released soon.

[@sawtoothtactical404]

I sure hope so!

[@triphammer1203]

An absolute shame. Thanks for making the video. I hate to say it, but you’ve got to be extremely dedicated to the cause to personally defy the atf when it comes to nfa items.

[@dependablekit5500]

Dam Straight!!!!

[@huntgar]

Thank you for talking about this. Its too important to forget. This kind of political persecution should never have been allowed in the USA and now it feels normal.

[@sawtoothtactical404]

It's crazy what has been happening in our country these days. The people shouldn't stand for it!

[@ecobasetech4558]

I've watched videos from other channels like Armed Attorneys. Unfortunately, the reality is that the ruling shutting down the ATF's rule on FRTs will not help Matt Hoover and Justin Irving simply because the Jury found them guilty. It might take Trump getting into office and then granting them both a pardon.

[@sawtoothtactical404]

I hope Trump wins and somebody gets his attention on this case!

[@AllanPowell]

Only way hoover gets out is time served. Trump would have a team of experts look into this and find out CRS is a liar who is guilty of the charges he was convicted for. Anti trumpers would have a field day uncovering the truth behind this case and it would be another nail in the coffin for responsible gun owners.

[@plusorminusandtime]

Donated twice, try to get the bigger channels to help. Most just ignore it. I disagree a lot of time with Matt and thought he was out there on many issues. Yet I strongly feel this is government overreach and this could have happened to anyone.

[@sawtoothtactical404]

I didn't agree with him on everything, either, but that doesn't mean he should be locked up for this. It's absolutely criminal what they've done to him.

[@AllanPowell]

Most bigger gun channels read the court documents and realized Hoover isn’t a guy worth defending. Its never good to idolize guntubers to the point you can’t think for yourself

[@plusorminusandtime]

@@AllanPowell No, this was an overreach by the government. The problem was he is out there. Thanks for playing and people like you is how we got here.

[@clutchboi4038]

It was a picture of a lightning link but he literally said on video that you could cut it out and use it to scratch the full auto itch then toss it. That statement screwed him because it is evidence of intent to distribute machine guns even if it is hard to cut it out and make it work. If he would have only ever said it was a novelty item not designed to be functional and left it at that then he might have gotten off.

[@clutchboi4038]

Sucks they are in jail but we all know that's what happens when you sell automatic firearms illegally. This product was dancing on the line and he did it to himself basically. I don't want automatics to be illegal but they are and he did this shit with a family to take care of. Completely irresponsible.

[@sawtoothtactical404]

That is what screwed him. There are way too many clips of him saying that it basically is a drop-in auto sear to scratch your full-auto itch and even though it doesn't work, those statements are unfortunately what sealed his fate.

[@ourlifeinwyoming4654]

Key to the convictions was the jury instructions right at trial closing. In fact, I do not believe he would've been convicted without those last minute instructions. After the defense laid out the case that these were not machine guns, the prosecutor successfully convinced the jury that the fact that it wasn't a machine gun had no bearing. All they had to do was agree that Matt intended to sell machine guns based off comments he made in his videos ("scratch your full auto itch, no one is the wiser", etc.). If I sell you an apple and claim it's a machine gun, then I can go to prison for my intent? Makes no sense at all. Key to the case is the fact that it was never intended to be a device that you can use to convert certain AR-15's. Additionally, when challenged by the defense, the ATF admitted that they could not get it to work by cutting on the lines. AND - the ATF claims that it wouldn't work with an SP1 BCG - they claim they got it to work with a FA BCG. That's simply not possible. And, to this day there are drawings with very precise and specific dimensions of a lightening link all over the internet. If it is not a machine nor can it be made into a machine gun, then where does the intent argument go? The ones that think the government was right here are permanently attached to this intent thing. My argument is simply if a drop in device that can increase rate of fire (FRT) is not a machine gun, and if a bump stock is not a machine gun, then a drawing etched onto metal is not a machine gun either. It was most definitely a targeted prosecution/persecution designed to send all fans of KZbin gun channels a shot across the bow. If it were about public safety and the rule of law, then people in inner cities would not be getting killed every weekend by the hundreds. "Armed Attorneys" has a good video on this and they don't think he stands at a chance at appeal. Here's why: To throw out the case you have to prove the jury had bad intent. I don't think they did. They did what the judge allowed them to do based on the prosecution's instructions on closing. It's a travesty of justice. Those that hate Matt call him names and the celebrate his conviction. What they fail to realize is how it affects them too. I've never said publicly or privately that what Matt did was smart, nor would I ever do such a thing. But, to be sent to prison for it? Wow...If justice was applied equally, we'd have to build allot more prisons for what people intended to do but never did. My 2 cents... If you want to help Matt - here's a link: www.givesendgo.com/freecrs Here's a great and informative article if anyone is interested. www.ammoland.com/2023/04/auto-key-card-case-ruling-a-travesty-of-justice/#axzz8hNGioMJK

[@AllanPowell]

You should read my comment below that explains the conviction. I knew those jury instructions were inevitable once the conspiracy charges against Hoover were announced. Any competent attorney should have anticipated that. Matt wasn't just selling everyday items and calling them machine guns. He was selling machine gun conversion devices disguised as pen holders and bottle openers, made from the same steel as regulated Lightning Link machine gun conversion devices. Any argument claiming Hoover didn't believe these cards contained functional Lightning Links is simply propaganda stemming from the defense's inability to present a credible argument against the charges. If you read the court files, you'll see that the Lightning Link cut from the card only needed a 1mm adjustment in one corner to make the firearm fire more than one bullet per trigger pull-something that could happen accidentally. There's no valid argument against Hoover's belief and intent that these cards contained functional Lightning Links. He even referred to them as an SOT resource.

[@sawtoothtactical404]

Very well said. Those jury instructions were the nail in the coffin, even though what they sold couldn't ever be used as an actual machine gun. I thought he had a good chance at appeal, but reading what you said makes me doubt that, which is really sad.

[@AllanPowell]

@@sawtoothtactical404 What they sold was used as an actual machine gun. Two AKCs were used to make two lightning links. They got him dead to rights, pun intended. The only grounds he has a chance on for appeal is inadequate representation, as fuddbusters is a tax attorney who never practiced criminal law and encouraged his client to lie about objective facts. Everything about the court proceedings, jury instructions, etc were to the letter of the law so zero grounds for appeal on that front.

[@ourlifeinwyoming4654]

@@sawtoothtactical404 Yeah. I understand how the outcome is justified in legal terms, but I don’t have to like it. We’ll be staying tuned for any further developments. 🤞🏻👍🏻🙏🏻

[@AllanPowell]

Understanding the court case **United States v. Hoover (1994)** about Auto Key Cards is crucial for a few key reasons: Misrepresentation of Auto Key Cards 1. Misrepresentation as Lightning Links: - Hoover repeatedly represented Auto Key Cards as functional Lightning Links, which are components designed to convert semi-automatic firearms into fully automatic ones. His statements reflected a clear consciousness of guilt and awareness of the illegality of these items. 2. Consciousness of Guilt: - Statements like "Send in a money order to this address with an order form you printed out from the library, have it sent to your anti-gun relative," and "Pop this bad boy out, scratch your full auto itch, throw it away, you still have a transferable firearm and you don't get your dog shot," indicate Hoover's belief that these cards could be used to convert firearms to fully automatic. This shows his intent and knowledge that the cards could be considered illegal. Legal Definitions and Interpretations 3. Machine Gun Definition: - There's a misconception that a machine gun needs to be completely reliable to qualify as one. Legally, a machine gun in this context is defined by its ability to fire more than one round per single function of the trigger. The ATF was able to demonstrate that cutting the Auto Key Cards into the specified shape and placing them into the appropriate receiver could achieve this, even if it only worked for a few rounds. 4. ATF's Demonstration: - The ATF successfully demonstrated that, by cutting out the key card and placing the post-ban Lightning Link into the correct receiver with the appropriate bolt carrier group, the firearm could fire more than one bullet per trigger pull. This was sufficient to classify the device as intended to convert a semi-automatic firearm into a fully automatic one. Importance of Reading the Court File 5. Clarity on Intent and Function: - Reading the court file provides clarity on Hoover's intent and the functional capability of the Auto Key Cards. It reveals that Hoover knowingly marketed these cards as tools for creating illegal machine guns. 6. Legal Precedent: - The case sets a legal precedent on how the intent and functionality of firearm components are interpreted under the law. Understanding this case helps clarify what constitutes a machine gun and the legal implications of possessing or distributing components intended to convert firearms into fully automatic weapons. 7. Avoiding Misunderstandings: - By examining the court's findings, individuals can avoid misunderstandings about the legality and functionality of firearm components. It highlights the importance of how even seemingly minor or unreliable modifications can still be legally significant. Conclusion: The court case **United States v. Hoover (1994)** is critical for understanding the legal boundaries and implications of firearm modifications. Hoover's misrepresentation, the conscious intent behind his actions, and the functional capabilities demonstrated by the ATF all underscore why reading this case file is essential for anyone involved in the discussion or trade of firearm components. It emphasizes the legal standards and the serious consequences of attempting to convert semi-automatic firearms into fully automatic ones.

[@sawtoothtactical404]

I agree with you about Matt representing the product as something that would work as a functional lightning link, but the ATF was NOT able to cut one out on the lines and get it to function in the appropriate receiver with the appropriate bolt carrier group. The had to cut out a different shape with different dimensions and cause a malfunction in a gun with the wrong bolt carrier group for use with a lightning link.

[@AllanPowell]

@@sawtoothtactical404 Are you relying on John Crump for that claim? The ATF used a dremel and a drill press to cut out two lightning links from 2 different auto key cards. The first one cut along the lines only needed 1mm or less cut from the paddle and that has to do with the firearms manufacturers tolerances. The second one he cut out worked without further modification after install. Crump lied about so many things on this case and twisted so many facts that you can't believe him when he says they only achieved hammer follow. Here is the thing about lightning links, they work by bypassing the disconnector allowing the hammer to follow the bolt carrier striking the firing pin allowing for more than one round fired per single function of the trigger. Crump would read that and say "THATS HAMMER FOLLOW" While it is possible for hammer follow to happen with a registered lightning link. It's not something we can take crumps word on. For the sake of argument though, let's say the atf could only achieve hammer follow in the traditional definition. Any intentional modification the the Fire control group that allows more than one round to be fired per single function of the trigger falls into the scope of machine gun laws. No different than filing down the hammer catch on the disconnector preventing the hammer from being caught which would cause hammer follow Crump was given all the proper information about all of this and he still chose to run a misinformation campaign. If you have any arguments that originate from CRS, Fuddbusters, or Crump. Throw it away. A lot of their twisting of the truth arguments are a bold insult to the intelligence of the gun community. We should not be supporting guilty criminal liars. it's simply not a good look to be putting out there to the anti gunners.

[@AllanPowell]

@@sawtoothtactical404 I replied , it probably went the held for approval folder. It explains in detail that your notion that atf was not able to cut one out on the lines and get it to fire more than one round per single function of the trigger is false.

[@YoJoe-s4b]

Bahahahaha! He’s so ignorant. He is not getting freed. They are also not “political prisoners”. Clown shoes is what you need. Also, it was proven by a jury they broke the law and they are in jail.

[@sawtoothtactical404]

They had terrible jury instructions. I can't believe you would want people in this country to be locked up for selling a picture of something. We're supposed to have rights.

[@YoJoe-s4b]

@@sawtoothtactical404 Yeah “terrible instructions” that’s your argument? The instructions that followed the law and well within the constitution? You’re brainwashed clown.