FreeSpace 2 Engagements- Terran Vs Vasudan Destroyers

[@AuroraAustralis_]

Everybody gangsta till the GTD Orion starts maneuvering to broadside.

[@xzaratulx]

the weapon sounds of this game are still to this date legendary

[@RennieAsh]

The ones in custom campaigns too

[@ikeyasector]

It's really impressive how tough the old Terran destroyers were.

[@Mintor94]

They are actually very fragile. 3 times smaller corvettes have 80% of their hit points.

[@philippkoch662]

Actually the GVD Typhoon was really tough to beat down. It was a big powerhouse in Freespace one. Since the beam cannons were upgrades after the great war, it seems logical to me that the Vasudans werent as interested to upgrade their ships like the Terrans did. The Vasudans lost their home planet and they are quite peaceful by nature. It was this ship, for the most part, that prevented the Terrans to win the war against the Vasudans, cause all their other ships sucked compared to the terran ones. In its first fight it was laughed at because of its design choice, but after it devasted the hole 4th fleet inclusive the destruction of the GTD Eisenhower it soon became a nightmare for the terran pilots. I bet my ass that a Typhoon wins a one on one vs a Orion in their original setup. The Orion will lose its biggest strong point, the beam cannons. Furthermore I was quite surprised that the Typhoon managed to took down an Hecate class destroyer (which is considerd to be superior to an Orion) and it sure tanked enogh damage to secure a draw for the scientists. GVD Typhoon, I love you.

[@ikeyasector]

@@philippkoch662 I agree. Vasudan warships were really tough. As far as the game's lore goes, when the Shivans were officially confirmed, an 'almost-instant' alliance with the Vasudans was the best thing that could have ever happened. The good thing about the Terran-Vasudan War (which was more of a territory dispute than anything) was that it kept both our militaries competing for combat superiority over one another. It kept both of us tough and on cutting edge technology. Because of that, if gave us a fighting chance when the Shivians came out of nowhere. The Freespace stories were so well-thought-out. Although they couldn't go into too much detail on the science behind everything (like jump nodes) they did one hell of a good job explaining the best way (in a unique theory) of how ships could travel from one star system to the next. It even sounds practical. Who knows? They might be on to something. I'm not really a sci-fi space nerd by any means... but I am when it comes to this game. It's one of the very few sci-fi universes I actually would LOVE to live in.

[@RennieAsh]

@@philippkoch662 I feel the Hecate is designed more to be a base station for fighter and bomber wings and to take down cruisers and corvettes/other fighter/bombers. Pretty sure a Lilith cruiser also gives it a formidable challenge.

[@trazyntheinfinite9895]

​@@ikeyasectoryou would chose the world were "we" lost twice to an unknown alien superpower, never so much as touched said superpowers ability to wage war and indeed got clapped in both wars? My friend, we did not win. The shivans simply... stopped. Both times. Loosing earth access, seeing vasuda devastated, loosing a system to an induced supernova... Dude, the shivs fcked with us. They are trolls.

[@jonny-b4954]

The positions they get into to position all their weapon fire arcs most efficiently (I guess) is hilarious and awesome.

[@RennieAsh]

I think it's mostly just circling to avoid a collision lol

[@trazyntheinfinite9895]

This game series is to this day my gold standard for space ooera games

[@stevenclark2188]

I like how the Terrans and Vasudans clearly have different doctrines on fighting and it show in their ships, with the Vasudans having massive spinal beam cannons while the Terrans use broadsides of medium slashing beams.

[@Megatog615]

lol at the Orion shaking its booty

[@dwarfsrollfreax87]

Space twerk

[@philippkoch662]

Drunk Boxing. Isnt that illigal?

[@beojack4592]

Now if only I could remember how to make the beams fire. Opened up Fred the other day for the first time in years and discovered I had forgotten.

[@Flyinghotpocket]

event list > ship > beam free all. i cant believe i remember this from 20 years ago. probably because the beam free all was used like 80 times in each mission until it was autopatched in.

[@RennieAsh]

@@Flyinghotpocket probably because the first thing anyone wanted to do was create massive capital ship battles, only to discover that the beams wouldn't fire ;p

[@stephenhughes1862]

This video has inspired me so much. Guys, you can make any battle you want!!! When you purchase FS2 from gog.com, it comes with FRED2 (just look in the game folder in your computer files). It's so satisfying to make any fight! Thanks again to the creator of this great vid!!! Thank you!!!

[@katarn999]

You guys may hate me for this, but I just love the revamped Orion class destroyers over all other capital ships. You may call it bulky - I call it a classic. ;-)

[@therandomslav2509]

We can all agree,that Ravana wins!

[@Johnjohns2266]

Undoubtedly

[@bencjr]

I would like see that. more vids when possible plz.

[@dannyhartwig7676]

Always loved the "CUTTING" effect

[@sheilaolfieway1885]

I still wish the GTD had more forward facing cannons.

[@_Feyd-Rautha]

Lots of sounds from the Descent games in Freespace

[@stephenhughes1862]

Wow! Can't believe it was a draw

[@Corosar]

I always loved the design of the PVD ships over the GTA ships. Though the shivan ships were more favored for me

[@nickmitsialis]

Yeah Terran ships look so 'conventional'; PVD ships look like Pharaohic jewelry or accessories--but the Shivan ships look like something that crawled out of C'thulu's aquarium.

[@outlawstar15a2]

To be fair the Orion would have won the 2v1 against the Typhoons if it didn't split it's damage early on and had instead focus each destroyer down with it's broadside.

[@bradhedgehog12]

Good point.

[@stephenhughes1862]

So good, wish you made more of them!!!

[@UnusedChar]

That spite shot at the end though XD

[@bad4ever2001]

Reminds me of OzzyManReview commentaries about fighting: "fuck you, nah fuck you; nah fuck you, nah...fuck you!!!"

[@NEXCUSX]

The Orion has that rotating beam cannon makes it more effective

[@dkavlakov]

Last test was a good example of inadequate results due to inadequate mission scripting. If all ship's maneuvers were scripted to unleash their max potential Hecate and Orion can dispatch a Typhoon so fast, that the only shure way for the Hatshepsut to score a kill would have been ramming one of them.

[@Mintor94]

These old capships seriously lack array of smaller weapons. They should've both received like 20 additional flak cannons and this would look more exciting.

[@trazyntheinfinite9895]

"Paayer one, take on NTD Repulse" - dies in flak

[@mir3877]

Absolutely devastating

[@T0ffik1]

I dont remember Typhoons to have only 1 beam weapon... what kind of test is it, when Orione maneuvers and uses all weapons while the other one sits afk (also Vesudan ship had more fighters/bombers if im not mistaken, and they are not here). Another point is why Vesudans split fire in 2 vs 2 while Earth forces focus... Its clear setup for the win.

[@ivanelias3916]

10:24 that final photon beam is just so bad ass

[@DobbsyLondon]

Orestes tactical/Dekker approves this video.

[@greatjoeblack2202]

are there any online net multiplayer??

[@thegreenmanofnorwich]

I always preferred the Orion to the Hecate. Partly because the Hecate has too many Hull extensions all over the place.

[@1000mjf]

The AI on the ships is good why does the gtd orion turn to its side start bobbing back and fore

[@RennieAsh]

It's a thing FS2 capital ships do, looks silly. Usually you'd script a path for the ships. The default is that they will just do a circle around the opposing ship, but since it keeps moving, the other ship keeps trying to adjust it's angle. The Colossus was the worst at it, but I think they fixed it in FS2 Open

[@koopanique]

Does the AI place the Orion in a position to fire its broadside automatically? Or did you script that yourself?

[@RennieAsh]

It just turns to avoid a collision. If you speed up footage, the ships will go around and around until one blows up - especially noticeable with Shivan ships as most of their power is as the front, yet they fly in a circle

[@PopulismIsForBottomFeeders]

I mean, it does that, but it also manoeuvres to get the best attack positions to fire all three beam weapons where possible.

[@FroztiProductions]

Has that terran ship always had beams? I thought it just had turrets.

[@RennieAsh]

In FreeSpace 2 they were improved with the new beam weaponry.

[@maxblack4596]

I'm surprised that the Hecate has turned being so weak and was blown off at the beginning of the last round.

[@shadekerensky3691]

It's primarily a carrier is why, it's primary strength is its fighter complement.

[@daehawk9585]

Wanted to see a Deimos class....guess its a corvette.

[@nickmitsialis]

It seems in 'This' universe, the ship class sizes are the reverse from real life-frigates & corvettes are pretty small compared to a destroyer or a cruiser.

[@stephenhughes1862]

Great vid! Thanks

[@secondaryfront]

Guess that was the main reason why war dragged for 14 years. Perfect balance :P

[@SRosenberg203]

Well not really. The Orion Destroyed absolutely shredded the Typhoon, which was its Vasudan equivalent during that war.

[@skdKitsune]

@@SRosenberg203 Really? I thought I read somewhere that it was the exact opposite. (at least canonically)

[@kadeonines5178]

@@skdKitsune In the Terran Vasudan war there were no beams, and the Typhon wrecked the Orion. Once beams were developed the Orion got a massive power spike.

[@IvanKala]

such a beautiful game

[@bencjr]

what about a vid vs shivans??!!

[@RennieAsh]

The Shivans destroyed it

[@LordmorrisII]

The reload time are Wrong from the Vasudans.(Figth 1 / 2) The have normal the Stronger Reactors!

[@Mike1064ab]

These vasudan ships must be HOL because they’re the only ones that were hostile to the GTVA during free space 2 unless there was some kind of falling out between the GTA and PVN since then.

[@RennieAsh]

Now all 4 vs 2 Ravanas or Ravana + Demon

[@fallinginthed33p]

This is what Star Trek should have been.

[@Yora21]

This is what Babylon 5 is like.

[@benjamincasatimcintosh2918]

i hate how much the techroom disrespects the orions in fs2

[@sheilaolfieway1885]

you know you get to serve in a typhon later in FS2 i think.

[@katarn999]

I think you mean the GVD Psamtik. That's a 'Hatshepsut' class destroyer. New ship class from FS2. Although I would not mind serving ona Typhon... ;-)

[@AstralS7orm]

Well, the destroyers are just way too close. From normal distances, it's a more even fight. Vasudan oldies just canot close range.

[@kelvincasing5265]

I wish they would have coded not using anti-fighter beams on enemy capital ships... always looks silly

[@Hierax415]

Let's get it over with Freespace 2 was a fantastic game, but the Orion was overpowered. Not that a single-player game needs to be balanced per se. It was just a little silly that the old Orions could cycle beam weapons that it was never designed to carry better than modern ships. It didn't even matter since most missions were so heavily scripted that there was little chance a destroyer would be destroyed unless it was meant to be. Still a fantastic game.

[@TheInterceptor12]

honestly it didn't make much sense for the Shivans to have beam cannons on most of it's great war era vessels either, or flak guns period. In retrospect the initial lack of beams in the Shivans reintroduction might have helped to sell the illusion of the GTVA's preparedness for the second incursion, only to encounter the Sathanas and Ravanas with beam cannons that rivaled if not exceeded the Lucifer's in raw destructive power. That said, it's pretty impressive that 20 years later, we are able to look back on the game and think back in retrospect how much of a milestone in game and mission design the series was, that we have to look for these small quibbles in presentation and gameplay narrative integration for things to reimagine.

[@jhonviel7381]

R2! R2!

[@javiermendez9365]

I think Starlance a much older game, was far ahead of freespace

[@bradhedgehog12]

Mmmmmm interesting

[@ИзмаилфонБлюнтвиг]

Бои проведены тактически безграмотно. Корабли не маневрируют, чтобы подставить под удар наиболее бронированную часть и самим стрелять максимальным количеством орудий. Не применяется даже вращение вокруг оси, чтобы равномерно "размазывать" повреждения. В бою против 2-х кораблей земной корабль вообще стоит на месте как памятник! А должен маневрировать, чтобы первый противник загораживал второго и мешал ему стрелять. В бою 2х2 надо было, помимо маневрирования, сосредотачивать огонь обоих кораблей на самом слабом с точки зрения живучести противнике. "Думать надо!"(С)

[@bencjr]

the hecate is garbage.

[@chaszczek]

Hecate is much more a carrier than battleship I personally prefer Orion much more as ship I hate all that pointy parts that made escorting aquitane a nightmare compered to escorting orion

[@krivdik]

The Hecate as said serves more as a carrier than frontline ship, the retrofited Orion took the role of old school battleship,,The Vasudans went different way, The Typhoon is more of a carrier and after being modernised it has quite good anti fighter weaponry, the Hathepsut is still my favourite,,,great anti fighter defensive, good set up for ship to ship combat and also being a carrier.

[@nemigazhogynincsszab]

@@chaszczek ... especially in the Nebula. Very true.

[@Kai-tn4yx]

The Hecate will just launch 50 bombers and destroy any capital ship. It's a carrier, it doesn't have to worry about its own anti-capship guns.

[@RennieAsh]

@@Kai-tn4yx Where were those 50 bombers when we were escorting it vs those Moloch class corvettes, not once, but twice!