Friendly Fire: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X CPU Review & Benchmarks vs. 5600X & 5900X

[@GamersNexus]

That's all 4 in 24 hours, as promised. Check back soon for other content with these parts! Watch our AMD R5 5600X CPU review: kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZmKomZWjf6aKY80 Our Wireframe Desk-Sized Mouse Mats are on back-order and will be shipping soon! store.gamersnexus.net/products/gn-wireframe-mouse-mat Watch our AMD R9 5950X CPU review: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bWOkeXiEecqHe6s Watch our AMD R9 5900X CPU review: kzbin.info/www/bejne/q6W6hIairsaVoMU

[@leexgx]

The worst for last lol

[@evocatiproductions]

@Dr No Ocular Moses

[@DanVQX]

Thanks for your hard work!

[@Alauz]

Impressive work! Now go and sleep! 😴

[@godsgiftto3arth]

are you going to be doing some coverage on motherboards for these? b vs x chipsets?

[@stevebalmer8888]

I find it ironic that the main title where intel still pulls ahead is called Red Dead Redemption...

[@GamersNexus]

Ha! Hadn't even thought of that. COINCIDENCE?!

[@Rahkesh357]

@@sharki9876 intel is team blue, amd is team red

[@CLDHCrew]

hahahhaha xD

[@TheSolidlad]

@@CLDHCrew Your name is short for Coldhand.

[@Sunlight91]

It should be renamed to Blue Dead Redemption.

[@sergeiyoel9142]

I predict that in 6 months Steve will say "the 5800x is the best choice because of the latest price drop"

[@GamersNexus]

That seems to be the trend!

[@sansp9996]

@@GamersNexus hope so

[@DuBstep115]

At the moment 5800x is only there to tempt people for 5900x because its "only" 100 bucks more.

[@Florian.K.]

Sure hope so, i got my eyes on that one =)

[@DuBstep115]

@@sansp9996 Id buy 5800x for 349

[@brettwebb6789]

The 5800X does have a serious advantage over basically every other AMD 5000 series processor. Namely... it exists.

[@houseking9211]

pogger

[@MethaTugan]

I bought a few days ago a Ryzen 7 5800x because it was the only one avaible since launch.

[@brettwebb6789]

@@MethaTugan Same here. It was the only 5000 series I could find. Unfortunately, it also seems to be the worst binned, with the highest temperatures. At stock settings, mine runs up to 90C under a Corsair H110i AIO, and I've checked the paste. I had to go in and limit the PPT in PBO to 135 watts to keep it under 80C. Really annoying honestly...

[@BigSaulo]

I got lucky and got a 5800x 2 weeks ago. Then finally got a lucky and got a 5900x, trading the 5800x back in.

[@billlam7756]

@@brettwebb6789 isnt that crazy? So dam hot and amd think it's ok at 90c, not to mentioned it kill the life span of the cpu running so hot all the time. AMD probably think were running ms words or something

[@yashovardhandoke1835]

The thumbnails were on point this entire series.

[@BlackBirds93]

I realized through this series I don't look at thumbnails, just click the video blindly

[@MarkoDinicDinke]

The time stamp titles as well. MOAR NUMBERZZZ! :D

[@dun498]

5800X: For those of us who couldn't grab a 5900X before they sold out...

[@paulneal9908]

true that, however the 5800x is binned the same way as the 5950x, as it uses CCD's with all 8 cores enabled. Meaning it could reliably be overclocked to 4.9 Ghz

[@EPICGAMER-mx3ws]

yes exactly what i did

[@karce1981]

Same, but still comes with FarCry6. I do like that it uses the best silicon...no disabled cores due to faults in manufacturing

[@brng1755]

I also bought one for 490€ because when the 5900x is in stock it costs 700-800€. I will sell it when i can grab a 5900x near msrp.

[@DarthShadow25]

I want a 5600x, but those are all sold out, and my local Micro Center has 25 5800x in stock and they are selling them at what I could get 5600x for from scalpers.

[@anonymoususer69]

We went from “Get intel if you ONLY want to game” to “Get Intel if you ONLY want to play red dead redemption”

[@zenon351]

and that might not even last any longer when the Radeon 6000 series launches. It just might be the thing that edges AMD CPUs and GPUs over the competition.

[@ClayWheeler]

LMAO

[@asaadb1]

hahaha best commet

[@richto1000]

Intel has new faster Rocket Lake CPUs that fit in current sockets and enable PCI-E 4.0 shipping soon though. Intel will still be fastest for gaming bar a month or two.

[@anonymoususer69]

@@richto1000 rocket lake may be able to take back a slim lead but just FYI it’s looking like at least 3 months and possibly 5 months

[@mbwh1582]

While this is the worst value for money, I think this is the one I'll be getting. I don't need the 12 cores, but I kinda do want a fully enabled CCD, and the slightly higher boost clocks, while being substantially easier to cool than the 12 core part.

[@maxolina]

enjoy your wasted money!

[@mbwh1582]

@@maxolina I will, very much!

[@goob8945]

Don’t worry it’s a SOLID middle chip. You sound like you know what you want

[@michaelteitelbaum7291]

@@maxolina I think the idea of 'wasted money' is pretty subjective here.

[@DrearierSpider1]

The 5900X makes up for having 2 CCX's by having double the cache, that's why gaming performance is the same. And did you look at the power consumption charts? 127W in Blender for the 5800X vvs 133W for the 5900X.

[@taelib1425]

"We added more decimals to the end of that one, which means it's a larger number, and therefore more impressive" Fine, you get a like

[@Ebbylina]

"We saved the worst for last" This was the one I managed to get my hands on :/

[@achoprtv]

Same

[@lennard9331]

It's objectively a good performer as they said, it's just the least good value out of the 4 is all. You're still getting a very strong CPU

[@BatrickPateman430]

It's still an insane CPU buddy, don't feel bad.

[@DronyHawk]

me too buddy. But it is the "worst" of the best. We're gonna be ok

[@gamz]

Same. This was the buy for me though. I didn't really need the extra cores and threads for what I'm doing.

[@KonKnd]

This CPU is gonna be an absolute king when it drops in price I’m definitely gonna use one in my 2021 build

[@GamersNexus]

The 3700X went from similarly odd positioning to being great as the price dropped!

[@mr.banana4178]

@@GamersNexus yes!

[@TheHalfGlassFullGuy]

@@GamersNexus How long until that dropped in price?

[@hoff521]

yeah, and even at current pricing it's still a viable option. Steve does go over this at the end of the vid which is good, vs just saying this makes zero sense. I understand why people don't like the price, but AMD knows they can do it because it's the sweet spot for many who primarily game and want a little extra headroom for streaming etc., but don't want or need to go all the way to a 5900x. While price per performance etc. tells a story, you have to factor overall budget and functional needs, especially in markets where overall prices are higher. If you need a bit more cores than 5600x but don't need double, the 5800x is still $150 cheaper after tax than 5900x, and your spend is ~$710 vs ~$860 here in Canada. AMD knows if 6 cores isn't enough for you, you're generally not comparing to the 6 core part in price anymore as your baseline. For many it's what are my viable options and budget, and so your baseline becomes the 5800x

[@oneofmanyjames-es1643]

AMD's pricing strategy with the 5800X really confuses me. Where I live in the UK they are charging £420 for it. You can get an i7-10700k for £340 and the 5600X for £280. The 5800X is certainly a better CPU, but it's not worth the extra cost.

[@JFG3D]

Thanks! For putting out great content, I’ve been following your channel for a few months now. I wish I found your channel before I purchased components for a new gaming build. It’s been 10 Years since my last build, and I have fallen behind the new technology. I felt like I was way out of my league. The damage is done the budget is blown. I’m trying to make the best of it by learning more about todays computer components and tuning to make the most out of the mistakes I made purchasing what I thought was right. I’m gaining confidence with every video you guys put out and I’m close to diving into the timings to get the most out of my new build. Thanks again keep up the good work. You’ll make a decent PC builder out of me yet. Thanks again.

[@scyzorpl]

Funny you gave 5 $ and he didn't even say thank you lol

[@ants9230]

Just goes to show how far AMD have come in the last few years. Their mid range 5800X matches or beats Intel's flagship 10900K in almost every benchmark while having 20% fewer cores, costing less, consuming less power and running cooler; yet it's considered to be poor value for money compared to its siblings. Looks like Intel has a lot of work to do.

[@mrmidnight32]

Honestly still 100% happy with my 5800x. The fact I was able to run photoshop between matches on Warzone @ 120+ FPS And run music and other browsers with background apps like discord is more than I could ever ask for.

[@JACK-el2gs]

What gpu do u have ??

[@mappy-5934]

what gpu?

[@Eranta]

what is ur gpu? please

[@mrmidnight32]

@@Eranta 1070 STRIX

[@Eranta]

@@mrmidnight32 thanks, Cheers! I have some Temperature issues.

[@CarthagoMike]

There is another reason to get the 5800x: When the 5600x is out of stock everywhere, and you want a new pc relatively soon. My nephew held off from building a new system for a few months because of ryzen 5, and the 5600x can't be found anywhere down here, so he settled on the 5800x.

[@arthurcatch3494]

Yeah that problem will be solved in 1 month, when there will be enough stock

[@Lord_of_Dread]

It's also a better choice if you don't plan on doing an entire system rebuild for another 5-6 years. Next gen games run on 8 cores, and later in the life cycle its likely that they will rely on them more.

[@CAthomaselliott]

Yup. I picked up a 5800x because it was available and I'm building now for a system that I do not intend to rebuild for another 6 years. I'm building this to be stable and not something I need to faff around with every year. Fingers crossed for stable firmware/drivers. I also wanted to have the most cores without a chip that has multiple CCX.

[@arthurcatch3494]

@@CAthomaselliott I think you did the right thing. Basically the 5800x is better than the 5600x - just on a higher price. If there is only the 5800 available, sure go for it. Maybe wait for Benchmarks what grafics card you should buy

[@sexyyoda7567]

This is exactly what AMD wants you to do. You see, when AMD priced it around only 100$ less than a 12 core processor you are automatically set to buying the 12 core for extra 100$ or reducing 150$ for the 6 core. So if AMD manages to not send out heaps of stocks of 5600X and instead a 5800X you are compelled to settle on it no matter what unless you are not in a hurry or have the capacity to wait. And if you choose to buy 5900X its even 100$ higher. And later at some point in time when the 5800X 's price is reduced, it will be the best bang for buck processor and again it will be a massive profit for AMD. So it's a win or win situation for AMD. *Marketing at its finest.*

[@RazyMon]

"we saved the worst for last" 5800X: **cries**

[@marcinwojcik6622]

Intel: Stop the benchmarks!

[@henok_gk]

I get that reference xD

[@Ray-xz3oi]

*(Rick Dalton points fingers)

[@dex2531]

lol

[@dannacht6827]

Intel: We already won the gaming marketing! AMD is fake news! Just like nvidia 3000 series supply.

[@BeCaffe]

"It's RDR, sir." "Ok, count those in."

[@brokensword2621]

5800x is a very good cpu. I'm very happy with it. It's blazing fast in rendering and editing video. and in the games I have a great result from this cpu. Highly recommended 👌

[@giftednovahd]

corrections to thumbnails: r7 instead of r9 5800x

[@GamersNexus]

Thanks. Fixing.

[@RobAryeeArc]

9:58 "More numbers = more better" You heard him folks. Finally Steve has seen the light and has rebuked the ways of fake tech news. PS happy Friday Steve. Thanks to both you and the GN team for the hard work this week.

[@Ninjastahr]

Is that what Intel is going for with their naming scheme?

[@3Dant]

More numbers = more better merch incoming?

[@DekkarMTBtl]

Considering the 5800X has come down to ~$380 USD and the 5600X hasn't budged from $300, $80 for 2 more cores and a bit faster speed sounds fairly reasonable.

[@thomaslayman9487]

down even further - it's only like 350 rn i'm genuinely looking at it

[@TheDerpyPie]

Just bought a 5800x for 5600x pricing

[@Lancx]

@@TheDerpyPie I just snagged it for 330. I feel like thats a solid deal for the next 3-4 years.

[@TheDerpyPie]

@@Lancx yeah it's definitely a solid deal and it'll last long, I just did some pbo2 overclocking and I've gotten some pretty good results 4.94 GHz for single core and 4.74 GHz all core on cinebench r20 max temps are 81c

[@Lancx]

@@TheDerpyPie Yeah mine is similar. Im at about 4.8 all core with a max temp of 78 in r20.

[@bigdhav]

Have a shot every time he says "5800x, 5900x or 5600x".

[@GamersNexus]

DON'T DIE.

[@ValentineC137]

Hardcore mode: Take a shot every time he says "Fifty" :)

[@infiltr80r]

Help me, I fell off my chair.

[@sexyyoda7567]

@@GamersNexus How can You die? Drink the water LMAO

[@dralord1307]

@@sexyyoda7567 Uhmm Water intoxication is a thing you know

[@LuksZeugs]

I was lucky enough to get an order through, this was the only one that had an order page at the retailer (in germany). Upgrading to this from the 1700, probably still going to be happy with the 5800X

[@Xyler94]

Newegg in Canada decided to update it's stock at 1AM where I live... and of course, sold out instantly... While I was asleep because I had to work next morning.

[@leexgx]

You will love the difference, I went from a 1800x to 3800x and it was extremely noticeable (just dropped it into my asus x370 mobo) first gen ryzen was actually quite horrible, main one been single threaded performance is not good and AVX wasn't very good on 1000/2000 cpus (I had to overclock mine to 3.8ghz all Core turbo just to make it not hitch/stutter) but I went from a i7-920 to a 1800x so it was a massive improvement but in some games that are Cpu/latency bound I effectively upgraded to a 4th gen i7 witch wasn't good if the 8700k was released (witch it annoying did 1-3 months after I got the 1800x) I would have gotten that instead of the ryzen cpu due to near double single threaded performance (only thing the 1800x had was its core/thread count) where as the 3800x runs like a 8700k/9900k and it runs very well I don't regret getting the 1800x but if the 8700k was released I would have gotten the 8700k

[@leexgx]

@WhatDa FarkenHell just wanted the 1800x (it was only £30.l more then the 1700x), the 8700k wasn't released at the time when I got the 1800x (remember this was 3 years ago and I upgraded from a overclocked i7-920) in using the 1800x it has been fine apart from having to set turbo to 3.8ghz all Cores should note I Only Had problems with 3 games with the 1800x (oxygen not included, Factorio and ksp) as they are super sensitive to cache and ram latency and ran more like a 4th gen i7 cpu, the 3800x I currently own with 2933 ram it runs more like a 8700k/9700k) All other games on the 1800x ran as expected I was aware of 1600 and 1700 non x

[@SpicyEvo]

I got a 5600x coming. My kid got my 1700 and wife now getting my current 2700x. And since amd not playing around with benchmarks I’m getting a 6800xt since the 3080 will never be in stock 😂

[@matteovukoja1240]

It's a bad value compared to the 5600X and 5900X, but it's still a damn good CPU and will last you for years to come. You'll also be able to upgrade to a 5950X or whatever Zen 4 down the line very easily.

[@kost.9423]

''The worse'' its the one every gamer wants, because its the single ccd, single ccx 8core model.

[@tardvandecluntproductions1278]

To me it also looks like the best one that's more future proof then just 6 cores. 12 cores feels overkill My I7 2600K is still quite strong and going after 9 years.

[@Rommer2258]

@@tardvandecluntproductions1278 i felt good with my 2600k, it finally died after almost a decade, I want a 5900x but if I can only get my hands on a 5800x ill be fine with that.

[@saricubra2867]

@@Rommer2258 You don't need more than 8 cores for everything, 8 is the sweetspot, same for the new 8 cores i7s.

[@theorangecarousel481]

I agree 8 is the sweet spot. But for only 100 dollars more getting the 12 cores seems to be the best deal. I think a 5700x would be the real sweet spot, (at 380ish) but i think the 5900x will age pretty well all things considered and is worth the extra cores.

[@Psychronicle]

@@theorangecarousel481 It's not the best deal - you're spending more money. It's only a deal if you're using the 12 cores - if not then you're spending money on clout (which is fine).

[@blizbiggy]

The takeaway I got from this is wait for it to drop $50 or more and snag it up. Or wait for the 5900x to go on a sale and snag that up instead :O lol

[@kostisap9350]

If you care only for gaming I would say to go with the 5600X. I mean in most games there is no dif and in only a few of them there is a 5-10fps dif. Is it worth it? It's subjective ofc. Depends on the gpu too and how many years you want to keep it.

[@RushSykes96]

@@kostisap9350 I'm a bit unsure about that tbh. I'm planing to upgrade my CPU around February or March 2021 and would like to use that CPU for at least 2-3 years. Now with the new consoles releasing and stuff, shouldn't the system requirements for games get a bit higher over the next years? I'm gaming in 1440p/144 Hz and I'm really not sure if the 5600X would be strong enough to power my rig for 2-3 years. But I also don't wanna pay 550-600€/$ for the 5900X so I'm really considering the 5800X and hope either the 5800X gets a bit cheaper until Early 2021 or AMD releases something like a 5700X soon.

[@BUDDAz1g]

That sucks. Wish they made the 5600x 8 cores for 300

[@Bastyyyyyy]

I got mine for MSRP price, and sell farcry(40€) to a friend. so for me the 5800x is 100% worth it :) 110€ more then the 5600x

[@paco9831]

Warm Soft Kitty leaks show They are gonna be on par, but still using 14nm++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

[@parthkachhara9824]

Bravo! GN. 4 reviews in 24 hours as promised. Amazing work guys. You are outdoing yourself.

[@movax20h]

Hi Steve. Minor complain about charts presented. Like the one at 4:40. Can you make sure, really sure, your software sets the Y grid correctly to be sensible. Like set Y grid spacing there to 100MHz, not 75MHz, which feels unnatural and distracting. Otherwise awesome editing with highlights, traces delay, and blinking stuff / time remaining. Great stuff.

[@ok-js3tp]

"more numbers, more better" Nobody: Intel: i9 109020x kf

[@TheDrewker]

underrated comment

[@morpheus_9]

109020X KF-S with an increased power target from 165W instead of 125

[@caydencollins9829]

nobody:

[@ZigaZaga_TTV]

@@morpheus_9 where is the 14++++++nm?

[@morpheus_9]

@@ZigaZaga_TTV rocket lake lol

[@whisp9r365]

Damn the 9:44 section killed me XD 150$ for 1,50% better efficiency, we got it Steve lmao

[@rangersmith4652]

Counterpoint--$150 more gets you the ability to efficiently and effectively stream your game from the same PC rather than having to run two.

[@petervansan1054]

that joke went too long and became unfunny at the end though

[@virtualtools_3021]

@@rangersmith4652 Counterpoint: if you dont steam at 240fps a 5600x is way more than enough

[@Iron-Soul]

5800x: For those of us who can’t beat the scalpers to get a 5950x, or 5900x.

[@DerdOn0ner]

true, I had to buy a 5800x, because well, 5900x is nonexistent

[@Kojotous007]

True, but 5800x is beast thanks to PBO2. All i did was set curve optimiser to negative 30 (max) its runing literally without any problems. In Cinebench R20 all cores are runing 4850-4900 MHz rock stable 😛

[@Iron-Soul]

@@Kojotous007 LOL! That's exactly what I did with my 5800x in PBO2 with all core max to 4.6 GHz (didn't win the silicon lottery), and set the CPU voltage to 1.26. It's sure is a beast of a CPU. It's way snappier than my 3900x for my music production, and I can see a huge difference. At this point the scalpers that keep hi jacking all the 5900x & 5950x can choke on them, and kick rocks. 😉

[@wndrrd]

@@DerdOn0ner Same! The 5800X in my computer is better that the 5900x I can't buy!

[@GearheadK20C4]

I love my 5800x no matter what anyone says

[@axa993]

What a day for both us and you guys. Although in this video you can clearly see all this taking a toll on our dude lol

[@dashkatae]

I think the 5800x is positioned to be the "streamer" cpu. If you're a gamer that also streams, runs discord, and other programs in the background, the 5800x makes more sense to buy than either the 5600x or the 5900x. The 5600x is for pure gaming, the 5900x is just overkill for a system like that. The $100 you save from buying the 5900x can be pushed into a better gpu. the 5800x is a good jack-of-all-trades cpu but not necessarily the master of anything. It's also a good future proof cpu since it does have 8 cores, meaning if games coming out for PS5 and Xbox Series X start to push core count over a single thread, you may see the 5800x start to show much better gains over the 5600x in future games.

[@josepbou8681]

And for being int the middle, it would be the chosed one for many. (I've received mine today ;-))

[@divertiti]

I run discord and other programs while gaming at 120fps on a i7-4770k, you don't need 8 core for that. For streaming just use NVENC.

[@lowskillcamper]

It would be interesting to have a benchmark like that. With OBS streaming, discord and some other stuff running in background. But it seems GN won't have time for that) I personally think though that 5600x will be enough for this too. Streaming does not produce so much load, and games do not load 6 cores evenly, so the additional stuff should fit into underloaded cores "for free".

[@dashkatae]

@@divertiti What games are you running and at what resolutions? Also, what programs are you running? Yes, you don't need a powerful computer for streaming, but having a better cpu would make a difference especially if you're also recording for later uploading to something like KZbin, meaning more background processes happening.

[@dashkatae]

@@lowskillcamper Oh absolutely agree with that. The 5600x is more than powerful enough to do streaming with.

[@Merjia]

"More numbers therefore more better" Never change, Steve. Haha!

[@_Taco_]

1.1747% means everything to me. Thank you for validating my choice to get this over the 5600x. edit: Actually the 1.1746680286% is what matters most.

[@CapaNoisyCapa]

Well, here in Brazil we use points as thousands separator so the 5800x is a lot faster here than in the US!

[@maxkraft2709]

5800x gang 🙏🏼

[@ReidoFutebol98]

@@CapaNoisyCapa eae brother

[@Random.Contents.]

@@maxkraft2709 More like throwing money at AMD gang lol

[@conorkilleenorjewboy]

I'm really going to enjoy my 1.1746680286% increase in gaming performance! I don't have buyers remorse in the slightest! :) *cries in a corner*

[@NeThZOR]

I'm with you bro. Steve really hurt us with that nail in the coffin.

[@petervansan1054]

I think it still ill be fine when 8 core consoles force games to use all 8 cores

[@conorkilleenorjewboy]

@@petervansan1054 I can make my 5800x last for another 10 years until then :D

[@Bastyyyyyy]

wait intil they they test out SAM feature of AMD, Maybe it shows that the 5800x is way better for gaming then the 5600 x ;) u dont know

[@conorkilleenorjewboy]

@@jonathanlarsen4177 I know that... but my wallet's crying.

[@jmanig76]

Linus had an interesting take on the marketing strategy on his show last night. Basically, the 5600X is a 5800X with two cores disabled (AMD switched to a unified model where all CPUs have the same architecture). The pricing seems to suggest the yields aren’t great, and so expect AMD to produce a lot more 5600X than 5800X. In other words, the point of the 5800X isn’t to sell itself, it’s to boost the sales of the 5600X and 5900X by comparison. I know this trick has a well known name in marketing, I just forget what it is.

[@grand7m]

@Nobody It's possible AMD thought the yields would be worse and bad enough to justify the 5800x price. AMD is not going to disable 2 cores of a perfectly good bin just to sell it for $150 less as a 5600x. We might just be witnessing AMD's happy accident.

[@vaibhavalung9280]

100+ hours of content covering the whole lineup in depth and that too very quickly, Steve and the team truly deserves a lot more. These are videos we will keep coming back to, for the whole Zen 3 time cycle.

[@evocatiproductions]

Loved the Livestream last night! Killing it as always! Let Ocular Moses know he is still the best Camera Man around! Keep up the awesome work!

[@mattaaron6142]

The fact that my 5800x clocks 300mhz over rated max turbo boost without any tinkering and without hitting thermal limits was a nice surprise

[@Varmint260]

Not bad! I upgraded the cooler on mine and it clocks around 150MHz over rated max turbo at peak, which is still nice to see. I didn't realize how inadequate the Hyper 212 was until I put an AK620 on it last week.

[@singular9]

the 5800x does have better 1% and 0.1% lows than the 5600x, plus I am sure it can be better for streaming. Not bad!

[@GamersNexus]

The lows are often within error either direction. Yes, it would be better for streaming if you aren't just using NVENC.

[@singular9]

@@GamersNexus I have noticed IRL nvenc is actually worse than straight up using the CPU. At least when it comes to what I see on the stream, at 1080p it looks more like low bitrate 720p with a TON of compression. Directly from cpu (manually setting affinity for OBS) my 9900k may not be able to stream 60fps 1080p but 60fps 900p actually looks better from the CPU than NVENC 1080p. Wonder if you would so some testing to compare. At least for me, actual picture quality > numeric performance.

[@singular9]

@@GamersNexus Also I swear I saw multiple charts where the 5800x got 10-20fps higher 0.1% lows.

[@leexgx]

@@singular9 depends on the GPU if you have a 1660/2000 nvidia or higher the quality loss is less then 2% vs x264 encoding, but the is a big but, nvidia still can't seem to handle grass correctly (unless you add 2000kbs bitrate or just stick with 30fps) and that's where x264 is better in general just stick with 25-30fps , your sacrificing 25 to 50% image quality (goes blocky when your moving) to make it marginally noticeable smoother (so you got slightly smoother image of 60fps of squares) and it turns phones into hand warmers and drains battery faster if your cpu encoder streaming and gaming the 5900x the better choice as you can set the preset to slow or slower so it can recover really fast when moving around quickly If your using a 1660/2000 or higher GPU to stream the 5800x or 5900x is better option then the 5600x because your going to have stuff open that uses 1-2 threads of cpu (browser other stuff) but best to run at max bit rate 6000-8000kbs (1080p30)

[@Torokk]

@@GamersNexus I stream and encode from time to time and plan to probably buy an AMD GPU, how's the AMD Codec on that end? I have no clue.. in case it's not that great I can still stream on the CPU.

[@ahmedwael3019]

OH, the 3700x review reboot.

[@sadippers6168]

Steve always goes full nerd in his videos, going really in-depth and it helps you forget about your life problems I swear🤣🤣 love this channel!

[@MrMatt3046]

I call it autistic detail. I have ADD so I have to watch three times to understand it.

[@lennard9331]

I was expecting your R7 review to be the least positive towards the new ones, given that you guys don't really find the x800X series to make much sense to buy. Great work as usual, though!

[@GamersNexus]

Are we so predictable?!

[@lennard9331]

Always have been hahaha Your focus has always been on value and people getting the most out of their money, so your honest opinions are most appreciated, even if we can predict them

[@ManoloDubidubi]

@@GamersNexus Yes you are! I ordered my 5800X yesterday, I've been rocking an FX-8370 for years and I just wanted the 8-core thing to be real this time. :)

[@2005ttr125]

Lol I really don't understand why the 5800x is getting so much grief for its price position. If price to performace in gaming is the only thing you care about the entire stack of Ryzen 5000 CPUs all look awful compared to the 5600x 🤣 "the 5800x is only 1.5% better than the 5600x for $150 more" - not ok "the 5900x is 1.65% better than the 5600x for $250 more" - perfectly reasonable

[@scotmotuz5209]

Valid point, there still is a solid lead for the R9 5900X vs. R7 5800X in multi-threaded workloads though and only for 100 dollars more. But compare the 5800 to the i9 10900k, it has 2-more cores than the 5800, is more expensive and more power hungry, yet the 5800 basically matches it in many applications. The R7 5800X is still a very solid chip.

[@2005ttr125]

@@scotmotuz5209 I know but purely from a gaming standpoint the 5800x or 5900x are generally not much better than the 5600x. As for Intel I'm not surprised, and with Rocket Lake supposed to be only 8 cores they have no chance 🤣

[@arwlyx]

I'm looking for a 8 core CPU with good single thread, and at 400+ dollars, this isn't what I was expecting to be the only option on the AMD team, considering they've been playing the "lower priced but just as good". People cried about 6 cores at 300+ dollars with Intel, and we're there now with AMD, this is why I don't want to invest in the platform just yet, and why AMD feels deceiving, upping the prices and limiting options (like the lack of a 5700X) because there's no competition. If Intel can be criticized for such, I think AMD can be too, and they're not getting my money if this is the trend. Edit: (5600X is 370 USD in my country rn)

[@torvasdh]

I like to revisit these old videos every once in a while as a reminder of how insanely chaotic this time was. Between everything out of stock and covid, this was a genuinely insane time.

[@13231wmw]

The 5800X is still a good choice if you need to perform some workstation related loads but live in the many parts of the world where the price difference of US$ 100 becomes exponential in your local currency.

[@drmeddenrasen7236]

Or even the power costs ^^ Thats the reason why undervolting is for me more importend then OC, when you are paying 0.48$/kWh (0,41€/kWh) and also want min. 8 Cores xD

[@Avantime]

Unlike Nvidia and Intel, Ryzen here has turned out to match the US RRP + any sales tax.

[@virtualtools_3021]

@@drmeddenrasen7236 Where?!? island?

[@jetrpg22]

I actually feel the 5800x is the entry CPU for gamers who don't want a far weaker CPU than they should have in 2 years. If you are actually doing workstation stuff and its part of your $$$ / hobby the extra 100 are worth a 5900x

[@SuprSi]

Getting this one regardless of weird price position. I want the better clocking and fully enabled die with all the cores accessing the same cache L3 cache with no inter-ccx latency. 5800X fits the bill!

[@userbosco]

Funny how this may be the best AM4 value CPU today.

[@Codyak13]

It’s weird I still plan to get the 5800X, I understand it’s a bit irrational. I figure I upgrade so infrequently I’ll spend a bit more.Thanks for all the testing and info GN.

[@egalanos]

It's rational if it's the right fit for your current and future needs to not spend the extra money to upgrade 5900x.

[@leexgx]

@@egalanos same here I don't need the 5900x so why pay £100 more for 4 more cores I am not going to use (I can use that towards a 2tb ssd and gpu)

[@Codyak13]

@@egalanos I was more comparing it to the 5600X but yeah, you’re right about that.

[@2007farenheit]

I got me a 5800x. I’m happy with it. :)didn’t want just 6 cores n definitely don’t need 12 so I went right in the middle. I fig the 5600x would be a better value but Ive wanted the 5800x since amd announced the 5k series lol so I went with what I thought I’d be happy with. Money is only ever really wasted if your not happy with what u bought. If your happy with it then imo it’s worth every penny :)

[@tomcarey3457]

well the new consoles are on going to be optimized for 8 core games. Could be a better future proof choice. We will see

[@kaiserped]

"More Numbers - More Better" That's savage.

[@blze0018]

Ah, back in the blissful days when we thought the sell-through rate would recover and prices would drop as things normalize. I miss having that hope.

[@skmetal7]

5 month later and still no hope... :/

[@midnightblack7616]

@@skmetal7 kzbin.info/www/bejne/bKmVc4yEntKBhbc - Ding ding ding! Recently bought a 5800X for $378 ($420, and received a 10% gift card for the purchase) - which finally put it in the proper value range. So, yeah, exactly as predicted. 5950X has gone up, 5900X is mostly not in stock. Lots of places have 5800X for around $420 as I type. Use pcpartpicker . com.

[@skmetal7]

@@midnightblack7616 yeah, I just got a 5800x as well. Had to settle for that instead of the 5900x.

[@EinhanderSn0m4n]

@@midnightblack7616 Exactly where I bought my 5800x last week. Newegg has it at the $420 Blaze it price.

[@peace4626]

@@midnightblack7616 same just price matched a 5800x from bestbuy for $413 after tax. Considering the fact that the 5900x is $570 at the lowest price I’d say it’s good value especially since I can always upgrade once prices lower later on but the 5800x will crush whatever I throw at it for now

[@GreatnessRD]

Somebody gotta put that in a commercial one day "More numbers means more better". Y'all wild, lol

[@Chibling]

This actually wrong, many benchmarks "less number means more better" such as the time is takes to complete a task. But essentially yes, numbers.

[@xIcarus227]

It's worth mentioning that prices will vary according to availability, I'm not sure how stable prices are in the NA but in Europe they tend to not really reflect MSRP. In my region the 5600X is ~330 EUR, the 5800X is ~485 EUR while the 5900X is ~620 EUR. So the 5800X is 155 EUR more expensive than the 5600X and 135 EUR cheaper than the 5900X; that places it very close to a middle-ground price between the 5600X and 5900X. In other words, it makes perfect sense buying this processor in my area. Always check your local prices boys and girls.

[@basuo8378]

True that mate, the 5900 is $160 AUD more then the 5800

[@Varmint260]

Re-checking this video years later to see how the 5800X has matured. I definitely ignored this video's advice and upgraded my 3600 to a 5800X because I wanted something new and shiny and couldn't get a GPU at the time due to crypto-bros. I also discovered last week upon installing an AK620 that I've been hampering my 5800X with a Hyper 212 for all these years, too. The peak temps didn't change much between the two coolers, but now it spends WAY more time clocking near max turbo boost and CPU-limited tasks run MUCH better now.

[@Seohce]

The problem when we talk about value, is we talk about games that are current, rather than thinking 2-3 maybe 5 years ahead. 6 Cores will start to fall off hard in 12 months (18 months max), when the console game creators start optimising games for 8-cores. As per the PS5 and Xbox X/S.

[@joooseph22]

*when* games optimize more cores, so just wait for a price drop to get your money's worth

[@Seohce]

@@joooseph22 I agree that the 5800x is overpriced by around 60-80$ RRP, however, if you are looking for an upgrade, I still think it's a solid CPU to power your system for the next 3-5 years no problem for AAA titles in 1080p/1440p

[@robl5027]

@@Seohce I agree, when I built with my i7 3770, dual core was "better for gaming". But people who built dual core were up for an entire system upgrade (or upgrade to a second hand 3770) after 2-3 years. Fast forward 8 years (with a GPU upgrade in the middle) and this build is finally done, I would like to get another 6+ years from my next build. Having said that, I still agree with the 5800x being overpriced, it just happens to be the CPU that suits my needs the best. I'll be waiting a couple of months anyway though, fingers crossed for a price drop!

[@Pulverdings]

Yep, bought a 4 core CPU, when everyone said 2 cores is enough and used it 7 years. Then bought a 4C/8T CPU when everyone said 4C/4T is enough and I still use it today, almost 7 years later. Still runs good, a old 4C/4T CPU really runs bad now. Going to get a 8C/16T as my next build.

[@timothylloyd4625]

I was applying this logic for a while since multi-core CPUs (especially around 2010) started becoming mainstream, but it took another 7 years before 4 cores wasn't enough. I do believe 6 cores will eventually be minimum spec but when that happens there'll be mainstream offerings cheaper and better than what we have now, so $150 (right now) saved will go to other things like a GPU.

[@zombiezoo1384]

yess now the r 2600 will have a price drop so i can finally afford a athlon 200ge

[@kawafahra]

* Athlon XP

[@GoodnotGreat88]

The difference between "no mans land" and jack of all trades is a subtle one. I am primarily a gamer but also do some productivity work and some streaming where the extra cores are nice to have.

[@kevinheld8912]

highest all core clock, better than the 10700k in all cases (unlike the 5600x), in most cases it ties or beats the 10900k ($530), it appears to have the most impactful overclocking of the 5000 stack. It has its merits. You also point out that the 5800x is only 6% better than the 5600x in photoshop, while ignoring the fact that the 5900x is also only 6% better but is $250 more. not fair. The reason I went with the 5800x is the magical 8 core count, which I expect future games to be optimized for because of the new consoles (also 8 cores). I expect to see more fps gains when more games take advantage of all cores (which is already apparent in some games). Its important to realize that dx12 hits a wall at 6 cores, which makes having 8+ cores not great for most games, FOR NOW. This is probably going to change in the next iteration of DirectX. I bet in a few years 6 cores will be the new quad core and everyone will recommend at least 8 cores. Lastly, everything you said about the 5800x gaming performance value can be said about the 5900x. While the 5900x is obviously valuable for production stuff, its a terrible value for gaming. Which basically limits gamers to one cpu, the 5600x.

[@jetrpg22]

@@Ninja_Pro And the 10700k will probably scale better into the future than the 5600x. More cores means as apps use more core you get more benefit. (I wouldn't buy either of these atm but its not like its in a awful spot.) GN runs its benches on clean installs i assume (or testing benches), i have firefox and sometimes chome open and many more programs. I often watch videos listen to music, etc while gaming. ill often push 10-20% cpu easily before the game on my 8 core system. Do that on a 6 core and you have a large fight over processing power. But the 5800x is different its also 8 cores and it preforms very well core to core (better than the 5900x or 5600x), its is over priced but wait for the price drop, or not, and its a really good deal as a 4-5 year cpu. GN should run a test where they take up ~15% of cpu (or like x number of back ground programs) and then run their benchmarks to see the REAL world performance in games.

[@jameshay6926]

@Kiri Haimura zen 2 yes but not zen 3

[@ilovehotdogs125790]

@Muka Hadama not for zen 3 man. The 5800x is the best cpu for warzone. I don’t know about apex or overwatch though (zen 3 probably wins). Rocket lake might change that, but until then amd wins

[@houseking9211]

the 5800x is for the people who game and stream/render on the side

[@ilovehotdogs125790]

@Muka Hadama well you cant compare cold war and black ops 2, the graphics are on another level. And yes, 6 cores is definitely enough. I’m just saying the 5800x is the best gaming cpu, even though it’s not the best value in terms of # of cores. And I haven’t noticed bad 1% lows like you’re saying. Also the ps5 is cheap because sony makes more money off of game purchases, you can’t compare a PC with a console like that, a pc can do so much more than a ps5.

[@greggmacdonald9644]

Steve, I have to really commend you on doing "Time for a turn" for your Civ 6 benchmark. Unlike the FPS rating that every other reviewer seems to use, yours is USEFUL! Is there any chance you could post the savegame someplace, so that we can compare on our own systems?

[@mattsmechanicalssi5833]

Good idea.

[@4Leka]

Firaxis should introduce a Civ VI benchmark so other reviewers could more easily use it as well.

[@ShroudedWolf51]

@@4Leka Depending on how they implement it, though, it may still be better to do it manually if you want more consistent data.

[@Ckrasis]

I heard Linus mention this benchmark a couple days ago (I think referencing this test). It would be cool to have real world stuff like civ 6 turns more often, especially because I like Epic game duration and I go through a ton of turns. Maybe we can see compile times for large applications soon too

[@Sad_King_Billy]

Just picked one up for $240 on Amazon. Definitely worth the wait!

[@Macho_Man_Randy_Savage]

These graphs bring a tear to my eye...and some intel shareholder too.

[@BWpepperr]

Steve, can you please speak on the temperature of the 5800X under load in comparison to the 5900X? I've watched a couple of reviews and read 1 review that said the thermals of the 5800X run hotter than the 5900X/5600X by a large margin.

[@houseking9211]

I don't know by how much, but depending on your luck it does run quite toasty. There is a reason for it though, it has 8c on a die the same size as the 5900x has 6c, more concentration of heat simply means it has higher temps

[@photoshop006]

@@houseking9211 Using an MSI X570 Tomahawk i was getting idle of around 40*C and 82*C under full load using a Noctua NH-U12A running at 1800rpm. I did notice that when opening Photoshop it would jump from 40 to 65 and same goes for other apps . After adjusting PBO, Curve Optimiser and inputting manual Power numbers i was able to get the temps to drop by 10*C with no loss in performance. Now it idles at 28/32*C and at full load it hits 70/72*C. Thats all with my Noctua turned down to lower noise. Im sure if you had better cooling or higher RPM fans you could get it lower. I just value noise over cooling. Settings im using are: 127PPT 127EDC 88TDC Curve Optimiser -15 I did try 125PPT 125EDC which lowered the temps even more but i did notice a 250 point drop in Cinebench.

[@tilmanrotationalinvariant2257]

as propably with most ryzen you can undervolt the 5800x pretty heavily, mine does draw at 4,6Ghz just over 80W. Would never run it at stock

[@gusmaiawork]

Gamers Nexus is by far the most reliable channel when it comes to parts reviews and comparision, it's amazing the fact that you focus more on actual real world usage (like 3D and Adobe softwares) instead of just gaming and technical bs that the average PC builder can't get anything out of

[@JeoshuaCollins]

Steve, seriously what am I missing? The graphs seem to indicate that the 5800X is across the board almost as powerful as the 5900X, and it's $100 less. It also seems to be the most overclockable of all these chips, which puts it sometimes on par with the 5950X. Why are you saying that it's not a good choice?

[@MutsFire]

+1

[@somethinglikethat2176]

Because it has the worst price to performance. That said it's still the best choice for a lot of use cases.

[@angolin9352]

I'm still missing what makes Ryzen 5000 compelling at all. For gaming, a mid-range CPU is all most people need to hold them over for about 5 years. Anything higher is usually a waste of money that could be spent on a better graphics card. Workstation users need high-end CPUs. These new chips start at mid-range, but the cheapest costs what the 3700X did when it was new, performs worse at most workstation tasks, and isn't much better at gaming. The 5800X isn't enough of a gain over the 3700X to justify the 1.5x increase in the 3700X's original MSRP, never mind what it's going for now. The 900 series might have its fans, but I can't imagine that there is a large market that can afford to pay almost $1,000 for a CPU and actually uses that performance, but isn't willing or able to buy a new or used Threadripper. Overall Ryzen 5000 just seems overpriced. It's not bad, it looks good. Just not worth the high premium AMD is demanding.

[@johngaltline9933]

out of the four zen 3 chips released, it's the least performance for the money... however I don't know that that's the point of it. seems perfectly positioned as a 10900k killer to me. prior to today, if you wanted the best gaming CPU, you got a 10900k if you also used the computer for real work some times, say someone that games a lot but also makes videos or some such. the 10900k is still better than the 5600x in this role, but for the same price, the 5800x is far better. Pretty much for anyone that would have otherwise chosen a 10900k instead of a 3900x for a hundred bucks less, the 3800x is the perfect part.

[@crimsonfrozenheart]

​@@angolin9352 even if some of stuff you mentioned make sense, world is not as cut and dry as you imagined. there are lots of different people with different use cases, you said about 900 series, way I see it, most smaller productions and freelancer who were on 2700x with existing b450/b550 seeking to upgrade it made a lot of sense rather than saying going for a threadripper + TR mobo which cost a lot, sure they are nothing for big companies but those people wont even bother to get a 2700x to begin with but for smaller business these 5000 series could be a game changer especially when upgrading from 2000 series

[@ani0.biswas]

This series has been more like murder in the orient express where every one of these cpu's took a shot against the 10900k and its super saiyaan(5.2ghz).

[@Khunvyel]

I see no issue here. For a CPU that you're going to keep for a while and having some extra cores/threads for games that will inevitably are going to use more cores in the near future due to the new console launch, but not wanting to spend the money for the 5900x because not needing THAT much more cores or the multicore heavy lifting, the 5800x makes total sense. The 5600x is simply not enough of a CPU except you want to swap later on to a better line and just save some money now. The question is if a 500series board is going to be bios-update compatible with the Zen 3+ or 4 generation. And as I keep saying; with more and more things running in the background, which are being coded for multicore support, thus adding ever increasing demand, you want to have more cores available aside because at some point you will be better off manually assigning cores with a command line instead of letting the kernel scheduler handle everything. Thus I see the 5800x as a perfectly valid choice for an "only gaming" computer if you don't intend to switch to the next generation in a year or two.

[@CapaNoisyCapa]

I said that exact same thing when Zen 2 launched: those 2c/4t will be sorely missed when true next gen games arrive. It's a sad thing but games are made with consoles in mind and all of those have Zen 2 with 8c/16t inside them. Sure, Zen 3 is a lot faster in games but remember the 9600K with its 6c/6t being faster in average but unplayable in RDR2 and other games compared to Intel's own 4c/8t? Of course you'll better off with a 5600x/3080 combo than with a 5800x/3070 if your budget only allows a 6 core CPU but faster GPU but that logic applies at every price point or budget, like Steve pointed out 20 times in his review.

[@NamTran-xc2ip]

6 cores is fine for gaming in 2-3 years lol. I also dont need to play the latest game. Im sure this cpu with a good gpu can play cyberpunk just fine

[@aboringuy]

I laughed so hard at "MORE NUMBERS, MORE BETTER"

[@koushiro86]

Papa AMD’s

[@enveloreal]

yeah like 110909020k on 14nm+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

[@koushiro86]

@@enveloreal F to the Intel Core 3D i9-90210

[@K4rgo]

the "more numbers more better" part made me laugh out loud. God I love this channel

[@bennydw3]

I’m not really sure it’s fair to make direct comparisons between an OC 5900x and a stock 5800x. In a lot of the graphs you didn’t even include the results from an oc 5800x but did for other parts.

[@iliketostealyourthoughts]

Every graph has "stock" and "4.8Ghz"(OC) for 5800x.....

[@KuraMad2000]

When AMD's latest offerings are so OP, they're kicking the crap out of themselves..... 5000 series..... the berserker gen

[@DrearierSpider1]

The 5800X has the highest price per core value of any part in the launch lineup. It's in a very weird position, and you'd expect the 12 or 16 core part to be this overpriced.

[@DrearierSpider1]

@mohammad khalil You mean the 6800?

[@justinp9170]

@mohammad khalil you must mean the 6800, the 6800xt is in a good position overall

[@UltimateAlgorithm]

Probably just to utilise 8 core CCD that can't reach 5950x boost target. At least they make some bucks by selling it instead of killing some cores (becomes 5600x) or outright discard it.

[@zig131]

@blitzcaster It's not just about clocks speeds. The 5800X is getting the intact (all 8 cores operational) dies with the worst power efficiency. You can see that in it's 105W TDP which is 61% greater than the 5600X despite only having 33% more cores and the same as the 5900x despite that processor having 50% more cores. Honestly that really puts me off the 8 core AMD CPUs although of course that is the desirable core configuration for gaming due to the reduced core-core latency and because it is what the next gen consoles have :/

[@virtualtools_3021]

@@zig131 tdp is NOT power usage, look at reveiws for power usage

[@JulioLabarca]

Thanks for including software compilation!

[@Glassesboi]

Gosh the hurt I got when he said saving worst for last, when this was the one I got, it was solely for gaming. :(

[@shubham601]

And I plan on buying. But I disagree with Steve, yes the pricing should be around 400$ given that a 3900X retails at 450$ but 8 cores gives you a bit of futureproofing against a 6 core 5600X along with better transcoding for Plex or any other workload and a lot of games will now be 8 core optimized given that Xbox and PS4 are 8 core. 5900X being 100$ more might be better value in terms of cores but is certainly not worth it as a gaming PC as it might even perform worse in some games and only makes sense if you need it professionally and as Steve said you can buy a better GPU with those 100$.

[@lostinchina8585]

I got one too, but I have to compile code, so at least I have some justification. Truth is, this was the one in stock so I jumped on it

[@Glassesboi]

@@lostinchina8585 Exact same reason, it's actually weird that this was the only one that lasted long in stock. It was available for like a whole day in my country before I made the decision to buy it.

[@torqueroll1]

The fully enabled CCX makes it more expensive probably due to yield.

[@1barnet1]

Doubt it considering it's a mature production process and the double 6-core 5900x isn't that much more expensive. I think it's a higher profit product. And considering it's still really good value compared to Intel products i can't really blame AMD for making some sweet sweet profit.

[@uchoob246]

^ This.

[@zig131]

@Predator Ex I don't know where you are getting that idea from. The 5800x bin is getting the WORST dies where all 8 cores are intact. You can see that in it's 105W TDP which is 61% greater than the 5600X despite only having 33% more cores and the same as the 5900x despite that processor having 50% more cores. The 5900X will be getting the best dies where only 4 cores are operational. EPIC gets the best fully intact dies but the 5900X bin is likely getting less worse dies than the 5800X.

[@caribougoo349]

Depends how you look at it. AMDs paying by wafer so all the ccd's cost them the same technically. The only cost to AMD is if they could have used the silicon for a higher margin ryzen 9 and that's their call

[@1barnet1]

@Predator Ex Probably true but the 5900x uses 2 dies and a more complex IO die. The production cost of the 5900x is probably in line with the 5950x. But of course AMD wants more money for their best binned CPU's. And i don't blame them for that. They've put in a massive effort on a single bet which in the end payed out for all PC enthusiasts and more. Yes i believe more lives will be saved because AMD made such fantastic CPU .As we currently see more and more super computers being ZEN based which will be used for critical research.

[@claudiustanescu6651]

”More numbers = more better” Steve 2020 LMAO! best thing I heard this year

[@roebbiej]

Still a beast of a gamer though, with the best 1% lows of all ryzen 5000 chips. Plus the 5800x will probably age better than the six core 5600x. I think the 5800x is not a bad deal honestly, for someone why only does gaming!

[@purppuraa]

Yeah while I would argue 5600x could still well be able to handle these next gen console games at least some time anyway, maybe even so long that people would be fine with upgrading, it is true 5800x should be able perform better and be good cpu longer. The only thing against it imo is that if you don't have really good gpu returns will be diminishing on higher resolutions, that's why choice of cpu out of these all will likely be quite useless at least until next generation of gpus are out.

[@roebbiej]

@@purppuraa yeah that true. Outside of 1080p med or high, you probably won't feel any difference.

[@iamLODD]

I still cant decide whether to go for 5800x or 5900x 😭 no one has really discussed the 1 full ccd 8 core in memory latency v the 2 ccd of the 5900x

[@roebbiej]

@@iamLODD do you do productivity tasks? 5900x for sure. Only gaming? 5800x is justifiable, but 5600x makes a lot of sense as well since it's a lot cheaper but maybe less 'future proof'.

[@saricubra2867]

@@roebbiej 5800X is a jack of all trades just like the 10700K still is (5800x is basically the same processor), 8 cores will be the standard in the future.

[@IBUILTTHAT]

This is the one I bought, it you look at most benchmarks it makes a huge jump in performance in comparison to where it should be. Look at the single core scores in benchmarks. The 5800x is performing close to the 5950x.

[@jetrpg22]

its because they are the same cores, 5600x and 5900x vs 5800x and 5950x

[@tomas_klouda]

Yeah, it also sips the same amount of power... Not impressed. I would be much more impressed when they release 65W full Zen 3 chip.

[@timhartherz5652]

My new build is still about 1-2 Months away, the 5800x might get a price cut by then. Might be worth going for this one by then for higher clock/corecount.

[@IBUILTTHAT]

@@jetrpg22 same core but much higher score than 3600x, cinebench has a ~20pt uplift between the 3600x and 5800x

[@IBUILTTHAT]

@@tomas_klouda if I could wait, I would do the same.

[@jackfoot1257]

Just picked mine up today pretty awesome

[@bradley3549]

One factor that I think is overlooked when running these benchmarks - the 5600x, 5800x, and 5900x are all very close in gaming during clean benchmarks. I'm not sure about you, but I usually game with maybe a zillion Chrome tabs, an idling VM, Shadowplay, discord, RDP session and who knows what else running in the background. Could I close it all, sure, but I'm paying for the privilege not to have to do that. Would a 5800x or 5900x pull ahead more significantly with a large number of background processes happening? I think it would be interesting. Maybe the 5800x makes more sense when you consider real-world scenarios as opposed to clean room benchmarking. I'd love to see that tested.

[@Eskiimojoe1]

strongly agree. also a definite argument for future proofing as well, since a cpu upgrade usually means a near whole system upgrade

[@XPACT3]

All you mentioned is more memory dependant than CPU but if you are heavy VM user I wouldn't even look at 5600X. Now for gaming it's more of a question whether we will see better parallelization than 6 cores anytime soon, which I highly doubt, but if that happens 5800X will age better than both 5600X and 5900X for real time dynamic workloads such as games since those two are 6 cores per CCX design and 5800X is single 8 core CCX eliminating inter core latency issues that may happen with 6+6 5900X

[@KenanYusufTemel]

@@XPACT3 Is it not 8+4? Then its a huge disadvantage.

[@bradley3549]

@@XPACT3 I agree memory is a primary consideration with a lot of background tasks - but they still use CPU cycles. I'm not a 'heavy' user. Most of my heavy stuff sits on servers where they belong, but never the less stuff gets to be local sometimes. And that said, I've observed my system hovering around 25% CPU utilization at idle often before launching a game. This is on an 8700k @ 5.0Ghz. I haven't bothered breaking down exactly where that comes from, but I suspect mostly discord with Krisp enabled, I'll pay more attention. There are already a number of games that benefit from >6 core, and I expect that trend will continue. The consoles all have 8 core now so it is really only a matter of time. I was strongly preferring the 5800x based on the same logic you laid out regarding CCX latency. But it doesn't seem like anybody else is really talking about that this generation - and lots of people are pushing the 5900x as the overall better value. Ultimately, whether I end up with a 5800x or 5900x is going to depend on which one I can actually get my grubby mitts on.

[@XPACT3]

@@KenanYusufTemel Sadly no, it probably has to do with stability but every configuration is X+X. That somewhat explains a price premium for 5800X since it is actually one perfect 8 core CCX. Inter core latency between two CCXs is still there. They managed to reduce latency between cores on the same CCX which is one of the reasons they are better at gaming now, but between two there is still average 80ns instead of very respectable 15-17ns in one CCX itself

[@TDslugger06]

They're definitely trying to push you to the 5900X with this pricing, although it's strange because the availability of the 5800X was way better. Maybe the strategy was to have everyone chase the 5600X/5900X and when those sold out, settle for the "bad" value that they just so happened to make a truckload of...

[@AsbestosMuffins]

this is whats gonna happen especially on black friday

[@AdamSieting]

Its three years later and I want to extend my AM4. I just found a 5800x new for like 130 and its basically the same price as the 5600x. I'm assuming that's a no brainer. 5900x is still like 100 more.

[@WeirdNeville]

GN seems to hate 8 core CPUs! It was cold on the i7-10700K as well. For me this CPU is the sweet spot: No need for the power of the 3900X (and I do edit videos, just not that much) but has 8 core all round ability as well as single CCX architecture. It's a great CPU but I think people are just struggling to swallow AMD's pricing regime this time around. I think in a few years the 5800X wil be holding up better than a 5600X becauuse of those extra cores- but $150 worth of 'more'? Hard to know.

[@jpesicka492]

Hard to know indeed. In my mind if I'm keeping it for awhile $150 doesn't seem alot, until you realize it's half the price of a 5600x. Steve is right it's like they didn't want to sell as many 5800x and used it to sell more 5600x and 5900x. Clearly an opening here for a 5600 and a 5800 non x sku. $249 for 5600 and $399 for 5800.

[@WeirdNeville]

@@jpesicka492 >it's like they didn't want to sell as many 5800x It might be that they know they *can't*. A CCX with 1 or 2 defective cores can become a 5600X, but for a 5800X every core on the die has to be viable. That reduces yield. Same with 5900X vs 5950X - the 5900X can use cast off parts. AMD are probably using the slight price hike to manage demand to fit supply.

[@UltimateAlgorithm]

@@WeirdNeville 5950x requires high boost clock. Any CCDs that have all cores functional but fail to reach boost requirements will likely become 5800x. edit: not only boost, 5950x also requires the best CCDs with lower voltage and less TDP requirement.

[@WeirdNeville]

@@UltimateAlgorithm there's also Epyc to consider, a bunch of the CCD's will end up there too.

[@boby]

Guys don't forget that this is based on old games review, considering the games coming in the next 5 years, 5800x have much more sense with the extra 2 cores for the next gen games, and this "future-proof" extra cores might worth it way more down the line if you don't plan to upgrade every 1-2 years and as this is the end for AM4 socket it make much more sense as even if you want to upgrade you will need new motherboard, so if you have one, don't be sorry because of the negative GN review. Just my 2 cents.

[@SuperTheLycan]

Don't forget DDR5 is around the corner. More cores are good only if you have faster RAM.

[@boby]

@@SuperTheLycan I think that cores usability mostly depends on the games and game engines ability to utilize the available cores properly.

[@jamzqool]

but isn't it if you play on 1440p or 4k, that games will be more and more gpu bound, so 2 more core cpu power is kinda negligible? but of course maybe that 2 cores could help when you do livestream...

[@boby]

@@jamzqool that depends on the games itself, some games are heavy cpu and cores users, some are not and some prefer clock speed on single core than more cores, so it's really dependent on the game in particular.

[@gsydaz]

The conclusion is it's still a decent CPU. Just has bad pricing relative to the performance and value that the 5600X offers.

[@oneirosgames]

And I bought it. I could have spared at least 50 dollars 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@gsydaz]

@@oneirosgames Same here, but I am more than happy with 8c / 16t for my gaming only PC. It was still far cheaper than going the 5900X or 5950X route.

[@gameovergaming5463]

I also did purchase it because the 5600x is never in stock when im awake 😂 How's the temps on it? I've been seeing a lot of people say it runs quite high... I got a hyper evo 212 with push pull fans... I'm worried I'm gonna need to get a new cooler

[@reflectedOS]

@@gameovergaming5463 I have the same question. I read some people are running in eco mode to get thermals under control and I read somewhere that only allows for a 12% gain over the 3700X which is selling for about $250 on Amazon right now with their 10% off deal. But, the 3700X will probably bottleneck a 3080 at 1440p.

[@toastybatch565]

@@gameovergaming5463 Hyper 212 is old man, I got mine 8 years ago... I know it was the standard back then but I think the scythe mugen is way better now.

[@Gnomaana]

"More numbers, therefore more better." I love that.

[@WalrusGangMafia]

This channel and Steve will permanently and unconditionally hold the FULLEST possible extent of my gratitude. As a relatively new PC builder I have saved countless amounts of time, money, and have gained priceless amounts of knowledge which I would normally not have. Thank you Steve and Gamers Nexus for saving me from being drowned in my own ignorance 🙏🏻

[@GaAnRu]

I find comforting that I'm not the only one that enjoys more than one hour of reviews of a single product stack.

[@CultofThings]

"Worth every penny" - Gamer Nexus Review

[@Mbd3Bal7dod]

ME: oh finaly the one I could buy and wasn't out of stock Gamers Nexus: we saved the WoRst FoR LasT

[@XiaOmegaX]

As a 3800X buyer when it was the only thing in stock, there are worse fates.

[@arthurcatch3494]

Well the 5800X is not the worst CPU. There is just no reason paying 150$ extra for a minor performance boost

[@johnpaulbacon8320]

Thanks for all of your work. This video was very insightful.

[@luisifer9199]

I'm so confused. I got one of them and i was really worried when you kept saying it's the worst. Looks perfectly fine to me for anyone gaming and streaming from one system - without doing any workload on the system. In this case buying this CPU makes perfect sense between the two other options?

[@luisifer9199]

after finishing the review i'm even more lost. You just had to add some negativity to this release. You keep saying 'it's perfectly placed in the middle of the two' referring to 5600X and 5900X 'but isn't placed in the middle regarding pricing'. It is placed exactly in the middle of the pricing? If you want a performance uplift the last few % always cost more than the first few. The CPU is placed 25$ higher than the exact middle of the pricing between the other two which accounts for this. The CPU is good, pricing is fine. You're making a lot of people question their purchasing choice when the people that upgrade from a 2700X, 3700X should be perfectly happy and you're just ruining their happiness of being lucky enough to get one for no reason whatsoever.

[@luisifer9199]

1:55:40 in his 5900X overclocking stream he explicitly states that he forgot to mention this used case scenario in which it would make perfect sense to buy the 5800X. Glad to see that. Might want to consider pinning a comment as A LOT of people are interested in this exact scenario with streaming becoming more and more popular.

[@Matruchus]

@@luisifer9199 Its only a good deal in the US where you can get it for around 450$. In Europe 5800x is currently around 535€ which is 637$ and its a really bad buy. Not to forget the 6900x which is 670€ or 797$. Only the 5600x at 350€/416$-360€/428$ makes sense right now.

[@Reonu]

Because when he says that it's "the worst" CPU he means that it has the worst bang for your buck. The performance uplift of the 5800X vs the 5600X doesn't justify its price increase, while the performance uplift from the 5800X to the 5900X does justify the price increase. That's it. It's just not as good as a deal as the lower and higher options. It's still factually a better CPU than the 5600X, just not priced right. I also felt that the negativity in this video was WAAAAY too high. It's a fucking awesome CPU that's not priced as well as the other two options. That's it.

[@luisifer9199]

@@Matruchus i got the 5800X for 450€ and could've gotten all the others for the same advertised prices in germany.

[@tellyshonestreviews1293]

I would say the 5800X is just right. it has more cores than the 5600X used for productivity. it is cheaper and more power efficient than the 5900X for those who want to save for power consumption.

[@ricomotions5416]

no, for 20 % more you can get the 5900x which has 50% more cores and threads and higher boost clock

[@petervansan1054]

@@ricomotions5416 but if you do not need it you pay for nothing

[@monkibonbonki8846]

@@petervansan1054 no, you pay for futureproof if you dont change PC parts every year..

[@petervansan1054]

@@monkibonbonki8846 okay well then the only cpu worth a buy is 5950x by your logic.

[@ricomotions5416]

@@petervansan1054 flagship is always worst value but 5900x is much better value then 5800x

[@Andrew-nn4ml]

Steve, saw you respond in one of the comments that when the price drops this will be an awesome CPU. Ta-daaaa! lol I just picked up the Ryzen 7 5800X from Newegg Canada for $500 Canadian vs $1,029 Canadian for the Ryzen 9 5950X. Coupled with the EVGA RTX 3080 Ti FTW3 Ultra that the EVGA Queue Lords granted me, this CPU made perfect sense....love the build pads we got from GN - always enjoy your content, and always "liked" and am Subbed. Cheers.

[@MitchellWeatherly]

I have a gaming build devoted almost solely to VR gaming in a sim title called iRacing. To what extent, if any, should I be focusing on minimum fps due to the need for a VR system to stay below a certain frametime? The 5800X does appear to have a higher floor (i.e., higher minimum fps and therefore lower max frametime). Does that bring it into play for me over a 5600X? Also, would the extra two cores provide meaningful headroom for running other applications while gaming (e.g., Discord, CrewChief, Twitch)? Really curious about everyone's thoughts.

[@ClonesDream]

To be fair, no one does such in-depth reviews of components focused on VR gaming. I feel like even though I don't have VR, people like you will surely appreciate VR gaming tests, and it would be cool to see the results so when someone like me DOES eventually buy a headset, I know which combo of parts suit it the best.

[@Mmaniac93]

Is it worth considering that these benchmarks were done for games that were optimized for the previous generation of consoles? With futureproofing in mind, is it a good idea to buy a 6 core CPU in 2020 when even consoles are shipped with 8?

[@GamersNexus]

No. Because people say that every time since literally 2010 with AMD CPUs.

[@toddbertuzzy44]

@@GamersNexus Just like they said a 4c/4t i5 is enough for gaming

[@niter43]

Core count doesn't matter that much, clock and IPC compensate more than enough for lack of two cores. New consoles use Zen 2 and have lower clocks than their desktop counterparts. Series X is 3.8Ghz, while PS5 is 3.5Ghz; let's assume it's actual sustained clock during all-core load. Stock 5600X boosts to 4.4 during all-core, that's 15% and 25% faster than X/PS5. It's IPC is around 20% higher than Zen 2 as well -- so in total it's 38% to 50% faster single core performance, while consoles have 33% more cores. So stock 5600X should pull ahead by some margin; and even if assume perfect multicore scaling (unlikely speaking of games) -- at least match the CPUs in upcoming consoles.

[@Yuri_Yslin]

Future proofing seems like a meme at this point. How future proof is, say, Ryzen 1800x? it sure as hell was pricey... and people tried justifying that with a similar logic. That being said, as the last CPU on a popular AM4/DDR4 platform, Zen3 is expected to hold value well because people will prefer to upgrade first and replace mobo/ram later. That's how we have abominations like 5yo 4790k costing more than new Ryzen 3600.

[@petervansan1054]

@@Yuri_Yslin I bought 4770 which was NOT cheap and it lasted 7 years, if this one can last that well

[@patmurphy9259]

I'm here from the future to say, I had to make an easy decision of what cpu to buy. The 5800x is currently $189 and the 5700x is $210. Bet you can guess which one I bought.

[@joeylk4d4]

R7 5800X is a very good value now, just picked one up for $206 on Amazon, after taxes.

[@TheApatheticGuy]

Got it for $180 on ebay for early black friday today. Since I'm upgrading from a Ryzen 5 2600 it's a win for sure.

[@BennyKsBandwidth]

Picked one up for Black Friday flash sale at $149.99

[@LCTRgames]

Some people been also theorising that the initial yields for CCXs might be worse for full 8 cores - so pointing people towards the 6-core-based SKUs might also be a factor in the 5800x pricing? Any thoughts? (btw, ty for all the hard work over the past few days 👍 )

[@georgem.6136]

Great review series! And the live overclock stream was very cool!

[@mitchell3876]

Yeah, bought the 5800X out of desperation here. I needed something stronger than the 5600X for streaming/productivity. But I will use the $100 saved for a better graphics card instead of jumping to the 5900X.

[@ScrNocks]

My same plan