Can I Beat Halo CE Legendary Under 3 Hours GLITCHLESS?

Hello fine Frogarchist (pronounced Frog-are-kist) viewers, today I overreacted to a random KZbin comment and was inspired to see if I could get the Goat Roped achievement without doing any glitches or major speedrun tricks. Can I? Tune in to find out! Or don't, idk you could just fast forward to the end I guess.
Each level unedited/no commentary: • Glitchless IL's
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[@RecordsSam]

This was faster than some of my speedrun attempts on easy with glitches....

[@Ed_Snaider]

And yet slower than me in bed 😭

[@raghuvarv]

I hear you. The fastest I've ever managed to beat Halo 1 is on speedrun attempts on Easy and Normal. I can't do it on Heroic, never mind Legendary.

[@ChrisPoindexter98]

🥴🫠💓​@@Ed_Snaider

[@ChrisPoindexter98]

we all start somewhere, y'know?

[@danielwendell542]

This frog sure can play halo without using glitches

[@NeonNijahn]

He sure can. I love our frog.

[@NeonNijahn]

@@Pat4ever. muscle memory

[@austinbooth5524]

yep

[@Lockerus]

Chief, mind telling me what you’re doing? Sir, finishing this run glitchless.

[@JSuperfly]

Keep in mind that the achievements for under 3 hours are named after record holding speed runners, it's fairly implied that they expect you to use the speedrunning tricks the community has developed.

[@jamesmoniz5263]

Y’a, but it’s also kinda weird for an in game challenge to require using the wiki or KZbin tutorials? In this cause it doesn’t, but other games 100% have made achievements or even in game challenges only doable with info you need to google. It’s not the case here, but I don’t think the principle is wrong

[@buckstop]

@@jamesmoniz5263 Respectfully, how many achievements DON'T have people open up tutorials. You have the Riddler trophies in Batman, you have Overdrill in Payday 2, hell in Halo 3 you have the vidmaster for escaping the final mission on a ghost with 4 people. You can technically find them yourself but they all take a long time investment to scour the map, same with this one. You could search up speedrun tricks or you can dedicate time to play the best Halo CE of your life

[@cheyguy1211]

@jamesmoniz5263 I mean, plenty of games back in the day had content that was damn near impossible to find/figure out without the officially purchased guide, or subsequently the internet. I'd rather an achievement be locked away behind a wiki than progression or an in-game unlockable.

[@jamesmoniz5263]

@@cheyguy1211 Really? Progression and pacing is a huge part of game design? I personally get 0 gratification from googling the answer to a puzzle, or googling what a boss is weak to in a souls game. Good game design makes it fun for the player as the learn things organically, or pace out content by restricting where you can go based on unlocks (ala metroidvanias). I can't think of a situation where I'd rather resort to using the wiki than have a good in game progression.(not saying some games can't be trash and force you to use the wiki, just saying that's bad game design if they do)

[@cheyguy1211]

@jamesmoniz5263 No, I agree with you. I'm just saying games have been doing it for a while. I'm okay with secrets and Easter eggs being hard to find, but I'm not a fan of games hiding things you'd want or need in places most people would never look.

[@angryzorro6630]

Imagine being a grunt ready to get the master chief only to be obliterated in 5 seconds from 20 grenades

[@RoyalFusilier]

Zuka Zamamee in this timeline wouldn't have even had a chance to recover from his glancing injury on the Autumn before the ring just explodes. RIP bozo.

[@michaelletwin9996]

Inb4 "You didn't fullpath the game!"

[@frogarchist]

"Can I Beat Halo CE Legendary Under 3 Hours While Being Slow and Taking My Time?"

[@Kila-Innova]

It sounds like it should be obvious but define fullpath for me?

[@mjstories7181]

Stoked to see you hit 25k soon. You're hilarious and I love your halo content

[@RoyalFusilier]

My favorite part of this run was the lack of marine murder. It's all great, though, really good explanations of tricks, what happens when you don't do the tricks. It's hilarious that playing on Legendary, the original 'prepare to die nerd' difficulty setting for the fandom, is like, a nice vacation for you. You're taking the scenic route and enjoying the sights you normally wouldn't see or be too busy to enjoy. This was a good time.

[@AlexParry95]

4:21 That's probably your best Warthog Launch yet.

[@hoppeanhelicoptertours]

Frog showing off his frog skills

[@vulpinitemplar5036]

The fact you don't need to do it all in one go is a godsend, no one is entitled to achievements but being thrown a bone on the harder stuff is always appreciated, makes the attempts all that more enjoyable of an experience :) Great run, would love to see more of this sorta casual glitchless run experience even if it wasn't from just you.

[@Spiderdude21]

Loved when at the end of the Maw, frogarchist shouted out “it’s frogging time!” And frogged all over the place. Truly one of the frog ever. 👏

[@kvernesdotten]

This is really impressive to me. Not because I dont respect what goes into speedrun metas, but because we are actually playing the same game now. Speedruns are cool and all, but they really are their own game

[@vulpinitemplar5036]

Welcome to glitchless speedruns, most runners aren't sticklers for keeping the game as close to the intended experience as this but there are many games more rigidly designed that don't allow for all the silliness that the bungie halos do for what it's worth :)

[@neurathal0n534]

This was a really great video, I loved how you had quick demonstrations of speed run tricks for each level before showing what you did on this run

[@NexusSomnia]

Listen I just beat this game on Legendary for the very first time, and I've been playing it for over 20 years. I was so proud of myself. But all the while I could hear your voice in my head telling me how inadequate I am LMAO

[@frogarchist]

you should be proud!

[@NexusSomnia]

@@frogarchist Why thank you, sir I say this mainly from me taking multiple (sometimes tens) of attempts per level and at times getting 0x score from doubling par time and you seem to do stuff like this so effortlessly lol We seem to have a lot of similar memories with this game tho so love your videos bud keep it up

[@Zepravity]

@@NexusSomnia congrats! don't worry that others are faster, there's always gonna be someone way better than you but also way worse than you at whatever you're doing. as long as you enjoy it that's all the matters

[@slipangle3027]

still don't know why you didn't call that trick Banshee Out Of Bounds (BOOB)

[@ferretthegod]

This was a good video to watch at 11:42 pm on January 4th, 2024!! Youre so cool and this run was totally 100% glitchless!!

[@creditmark]

Dude your channel is awesome just found it and have binged like 10 of your videos keep it up!

[@grantniven7101]

This has to be the most long winded way of saying "skill issue" LOL

[@MrAbgeBrandt]

I love glitchless speedruns! Mad respect for uploading the full run too!

[@wackeeeeee8612]

Ribbit ribbit frog man did it.

[@pwnership3292]

That shotgun grab was very cool indeed

[@dragonworrier1038]

Loved seeing this. Ive gotten so used to backpack reloading that Im not even sure its a glitch. The benefits are minimal anyway, nice video :D

[@benjaminmeriwether9165]

Get to the halfway point. There's still a lot coming up. My brain, yeah he's still gotta do the maw... 😂

[@Ashfold_Eberesche]

I like how you say "In a normal run, we bump through the wall, but this isn't a normal run" as if the STANDARD way to play is to break the game wide open with out-of-bounds skips. Which, yaknow, for some people is 100% true. I'm only juuuust getting into speedrunning Halo - and even then, I'm not trying to submit runs or anything, I just want to get some cool achievements on MCC. So these kinda videos are super informative to me, I like that you go into a little bit of detail on certain tricks rather than a lot of vids where people just say "Okay so we s-jump past camo jumo where we flood bump oob and then flooble past the checkpoint until it's safe to mysterile with a nonjabari (unless of course we flummox the ranglepangle) and after that it's a simple matter of just ysammble to the end" I did Halo 2 on Legendary just the other day, but I did it casually and like a regular person except for the last 2 Arbiter levels where I did the OOB trick on Uprising and then on Great Journey I took the Spectre into the Tartar Sauce boss fight so I could clone Johnson since I heard about it and just had to try. But man, watching your "Is Halo 2 Legendary unfair" video, I'm noooot very good at it xD I was pleased with myself until I saw you got through some of those levels with like single digit deaths >_< But I guess it's just practice, once you know which enemies are coming up and especially which weapons are where in each level you suddenly can use your resources a LOT better - for example, if I know that there's going to be a bunch of Jackal Snipers in 2 rooms then I can be a lot more liberal with my own Sniper/Beam Rifle ammo, stuff like that. But yeah, I think I'll focus on Halo CE and Halo 2 when it comes to trying for any sub 3hr or LASO achievements. It's definitely out of my skill range for now, but I think I can improve enough to get at least some of the levels done.

[@Blarsen780]

TOLD YOU THIS IS HARDER THAN YOUR SILLY SPEEEDRUN STRATS BRO!!! /s Another fun vid!

[@Ed_Snaider]

I can't comprehend the logic behind those haters. I finally got the achievement a couple weeks ago, and I had to use flood bump in Keyes, banshee grab in AOTCR and sputnik skull in T&R because I can't still do triple nade jump consistently. Beating the game without those in under 3 hours would be possible if I "got good" as I could years before MCC but I don't have time to practice as much nowadays (I died a lot, losing time). But those parts where I lose time bcuz of deaths is where I see how close I am to the goal and how much can still be improved. The fact that those people can't see how good you need to be outside of the specific speedrun tricks tells us everything we need to know about their skill.

[@Materialist39]

Scrubs will never change, it’s one of their most essential aspects after all

[@NeonNijahn]

Love your videos dude. Always a treat. Any chance you might do videos like Red letter about games? Best of the worst style? I like your commentary a lot and your sense of humour.

[@frogarchist]

Maybe way off in the future if I had a studio and stuff

[@NeonNijahn]

@frogarchist we'll get you there!

[@taylordcraig]

we gotchu bud. someone has got to be able to put you up. i turned my crap apartment into a studio and have done nothing with it. @@frogarchist

[@isd_chimaera8335]

Let’s gooo another frog video

[@Phickic]

I saw plenty of back pack reloading. Run invalid. Fr tho, great content as always

[@juangalton999]

I actually appreciate that you did this. I've never poured time into researching glitches as I'm not really smart nor interested in those. That said, mad respect to the games who can find these onscure glitches and get creative with them.

[@drewLV]

love your videos you should have more subscribers thanks for the entertainment ❤

[@esctheo]

I had tried going for goat roped earlier this year. I gave up in it trying to beat Two Betrayals as fast as I can, even with doing the flood bump on Keyes my full time is 2 hour 40 min without including two betrayals. I'll probably go back at some point and finish it up but it is quite tough for someone who isn't too familiar with CE speedrun strats. I'd be fun to see you attempt the 3 hour achievements on the other games that you're not so familiar with. The 3 odst one is basically free but 3 and Reach are a little trickier.

[@beebfajeejy]

the fact that you made tyson green the one writing the library comment is a really funny bit of deep bungie lore

[@Kombouzis]

Idk how I even found this video but it was great. I'm going to give this a try now. Thank you lol

[@FishyButters]

Frogs Speedrun arc is insane

[@fromthegrave69]

Very impressive Frog.

[@CreepyHardi]

Yesterday i wrote a comment under your video with this wish. Now i saw this video and was extremly happy. Thank you! =D

[@ujingamer]

Yeah I feel like every game but 2 you can get it with out glitches most of the games you just do 4 player coop and move at a semi fast pace and youll be fine. 2 I don't know it's rough I would like to see a speedrunner try it though.

[@alejandrosanluislarrinua3304]

Wooo that frog plays way better than me, those grenades spawn kills were pretty cool

[@DelinquentDJ]

I just finished GoatRoped, so seeing this pisses me off LOL well done, you make it look so easy, meanwhile I was pulling my hair out

[@hyper_lightning]

Always love watching glitchless/exploitless runs! Been trying to do this myself for all the games but only one I've done the legendary under 3 hours is ODST somehow. Still working on the ohter. Also Halo 2 just terrifies me trying to do it legit under 3 hours, its the only one i havent really been playing

[@Catalogue28]

The most important takeaway here is the line "Wort wort wort"

[@Materialist39]

12:27 ummm objection? Isn’t knowing things with your brain a memory exploit?? (I am a sucker for ‘speedruner destroys game glitchless/vanilla videos,’ good stuff dude)

[@Freelancer837]

As someone who has all 700 achievements in Halo MCC (yes, it's as awful as it sounds), MCC breaks many rules of things that should never be achievements. That said, while I would include all the "in under __ time" achievements to be included on that list of "should never be achievements" it's on the low/bottom end of that list. There's a lot more that are worse than it. Including every matchmaking-required achievement. I will say it's funny that you bring up how every mission's par time adds up to less than the time required for the achievement only because Halo 2 is the game where that rule does not apply. Its par times add up to higher than the hour count required for its achievement.

[@OrangeSodaKing]

Amazing. I am not a speedrunner, just a casual player still on his original Xbox. I always found Truth and Reconciliation much harder on Legendary than Two Betrayals, because flood are so much easier to deal with than elites and jackals. Any tips for TnR, or do I just need to keep getting better with the sniper rifle?

[@frogarchist]

Getting better at sniping would obviously help but I would say the #1 thing is dropping the AR for the plasma pistol almost immediately. The AR sucks. But yeah otherwise it's just about playing more and getting better.

[@OrangeSodaKing]

@@frogarchist thanks!

[@Jclarkis]

I only did the east glitches no clipping out of bounds or anything and the goat roped achievement was still pretty easy

[@iunary]

I did every par time without using any glitches or speedrun techniques. Only 2 levels that were hard were assault on the control room, and Regret.... those were like down to the wire without any shenanigans.

[@GodyP]

Goat roped achievement is one of the few things 343 did right. It’s fun to attempt and they acknowledge/honor an OG halo player

[@chief664]

13:43 He’s not the only one, I really like the library

[@Lilac_005]

Maybe one day I'll attempt to get the goat-roped achievement. Maybe...

[@ethanthefishman]

Loved this video!! As someone attempting to 100% MCC, this makes me feel better about trying to beat the game lol. Now for the eternal question: will you tackle Halo 2 the same way?

[@wallacekgames2266]

As someone who isn't an expert so don't take what I say as gospel, I'm nearly 100% sure you can't do halo 2 in fewer than 3 hours on legendary without speedrun strats

[@ColoradoK_117]

This is literally just Frog saying "git gud" with video evidence 😂😂

[@darthvader9969]

You just finished the entirety of Halo: CE faster than it took me to do Two Betrayals on Legendary

[@Heysaywhatnow]

Let’s go Frog, nice.

[@zekeDAgeEK1171]

“Hello there” 😂😂😂 general kenobi

[@SS-cb5tx]

To be honest the halo show was dump but it got me back in halo content, this is great quality

[@x0lopossum]

23:55 that was epic

[@joshuapurdy7065]

I don’t know why everyone says that two betrayals is the hardest mission. I think keys is the hardest. I’ve never had a harder time getting through any other halo level (even 4) then keys. The infinite spawning flood at choke points are mostly the cause

[@jennyxj-9296]

I remember my time doing Goat Roped, I resolved that I wanted to do it by part timing every level on legendary since I also didn't have all of my pars yet. Doing some of the more easy and intermediate tricks it was a good challenge that was fun to go through as most of the levels were pretty reasonable time wise. But by god, doing par on TB on legendary without doing BOOL is absolutely absurd. I just didn't wanna do BOOL, but I did absolutely have to do the first deload banshee door skip and only beat it by a couple seconds after two days of trying. It's the only level that was anywhere remotely near that level of pain for legendary par though. What I will say about doing legendary TB par though, is that doing the fights after the first pulse generator and up to the ravine with that ghost at the speed required to hit par is absolutely incredible feeling to do successfully. Those fights were a highlight of the whole experience.

[@BigDaddyDowney]

I know you're the halo CE guy but I wonder if this whole glitchless thing could be applied to halo 2's monopolized achievement as well.

[@frogarchist]

I would guess no. Halo 2 is a much longer game.

[@austintalley4070]

No way man. Even Rocats John Wick runs sum to over 3 hours

[@jehdbrbjeirodofjdjebeebbsnaka]

If they made it in under 4 or 5 hours, maybe, but Halo 2 is a lot more punishing.

[@Mediocre_Gaming1917]

Halo 2's par times are essentially impossible to hit without at least a few speedrunning tricks, and the par times sum to over 3 hours already.

[@borttheattorney6012]

@@frogarchist Let's get Mr. Monopoly himself to do it casually

[@l9m241]

I must admit, the speedruns with major glitches are awesome. I find them pretty fun to do and sometimes it's just so much easier than going through that slog of a level. Though sometimes I do wanna watch the ones without the major skips. Like how would some speedrunner demon race through Keys the intended route? Or through Two Betrayals without clipping past the interior areas? At least there's a category for that. Sometimes I wanna have tomato soup with my grill cheese, but other times I just want a grilled cheese sandwhich!

[@Retroplayer6472]

The library is my favorite, but only on heroic. Legendary:too difficult Normal:too easy

[@lorddreemurr]

Halo. Truly a testament to speed running! The only word I have for it is beautiful

[@logandaley1544]

I’m surprised this seems like something I could actually do. Makes meat to get the MCC and try for achievements for the first time in ages

[@Mediocre_Gaming1917]

Go for it, it's fun - if you do decide to learn some tricks, the Keyes flood bump and AotCR banshee grab are probably the ones that save the most time compared to how hard they are to learn.

[@tropicalplauge5444]

Dope video, any chance u can do the achievement with 2 people on mcc? As in play with ur freind on 2 diffrent xboxs and both get the achievement? Only reason i ask is because i dont have a time option in my game which leads me to wonder.

[@quadmachine4546]

Love the library. favorite level on legendary, it’s one of the easier ones for me

[@NickDAngeloUX]

Running Assault on the Control room with the warthog could’ve probably saved you a few minutes given how mobile that vehicle is. Plus if you get Sergeant Johnson in the passenger seat he’s super lethal

[@Troopertroll]

343 in the Combat Revolved mod was one of the hardest HALO levels I've ever played

[@matthewhumcke3182]

I would like to see a video on you playing halo on the original XBox. thatd be such a change from MCC!

[@DeadPlayin]

BABEEEE, FROG IS BEATING CE WITHOUT CHEATING (jkjk) IN LESS THAN 3 HOURS!!!! GET THE POPCORN READYYYY

[@lazykb]

I love your smartass humor and making fun of comments

[@coldfeet1337]

24:19 "RIP in peace" lmao rest in peace in peace

[@hemandy94]

10:42 bunch of covenant plus one of the best songs. Covenant dance

[@xxchickenjoe]

frogedio frog frog

[@asharp2222]

I’ve been playing Halo 1 for almost 23 years. Very impressed.

[@serjaimelannister2557]

crazy that a frog was able to do this

[@TheMcK777]

20:23 *click* Oh, no. That was glorious.

[@icarusgaming6269]

Speaking of weird despawns, does anyone know the Banshee trick on Nightfall in Reach? When other people do it, it despawns the rest of the level, but when I do it, it doesn't and not sure why. I like to do the Phantom Armor Lock ride method

[@disownership]

9:47 “Welcome to my tower, Master Chief.”

[@ImDimiko]

13:41 but i do really like the library. i definitely get the complaints, but i love the fact that you’re running through a unknown facility while battling a unknown enemy that seems never ending. the library is definitely one of my favorite levels but it fucking blows on legendary lol. still love it though

[@unknownshadow675]

I don't know if you've done this for any other Halo game but I'd love to see how you'd do it for Halo 2. I used to speed run Halo 2 a few years ago but could never get under 3 hours in total. I think I came close though. I ended up having to stop due to my own health declining back then.

[@levi22es]

You should do this for all the games in MCC!

[@monolith4653]

I did a no glitch/all encounters as intended on legendary on CE with Iron skull solo, it took me way longer than 3h :'D It was also the most immersive playthrough of CE ever for me, It really felt lik I was a scared kid again on my Xbox in early 2000s getting out of that pod on Halo.

[@nitromonkeyz21]

i like the library too, tho i would never play it if i had to (just love the visuals and would always love a second 343gs)

[@Plasmatic5150]

He got that frawg in him

[@finnedjoker]

This helps a lot

[@MitchCyan]

Maybe I’ll get that achievement some day.

[@Albert_EGGsker]

Cody miller run? 😧😧😧 Also I read that thumbnail very wrong 💀

[@theanimeman97]

Now do this with Halo 2. That's the real decider.

[@skylanderproductions4341]

It was nightmare for me . Even with speedrun glitches it took me forever to get under the 3 hour mark. Thanks to Assault on the control room’s stupid bridge skip. I literally couldn’t do any better than 35 minutes on TaR and 35 on AotcR. I did eventually pull off the bridge skip though. The flood bump on Keyes and the warthog on Silent Cartographer is actually easy

[@bronzedragon6404]

Love your stuff Frog here is a quick question for ya why do you use controller instead of k&m? It seems like controller would be less efficient and accurate to speed run with.

[@frogarchist]

because that's what I grew up playing and I don't care to switch

[@bronzedragon6404]

Makes perfect sense thanks for the response. 😀

[@vengefulship136]

My first ever legendar5 completion took me 11 hours, so I have to learn alot in order to get the achievement

[@joeburch6754]

9:47 that Elite had your name, number, and home address holy shit

[@Relativity404]

Isn't backpack reloading also a glitch? Cuz you were doing it the whole video, dunno if that was intentional or not, but I would count that as a glitch.

[@frogarchist]

Technically, but like I say in the video, "glitchless" is really just a bad shorthand for "no major speedrun tricks." That's why there are non-glitches that I also don't do. Combat mechanics like backpack reloading, double melees, etc. don't fall into this. Everyone who's halfway decent at CE backpack reloads. If we went by a strict definition of "glitchless," then this video wouldn't have backpack reloading but would still have tricks like banshee grab and stick stack, which I think completely misses the point of the challenge. But yes, this is also part of the reason why "glitchless" isn't an official category because defining what that means is an issue.

[@SillyPillow]

It's also quite hard not to backpack reload once you get used to it. I've tried to unlearn it for my recent Cursed Halo Again playthrough, 'cause I wanna see the sillier reloads, but it's still a bit tough haha!

[@Relativity404]

@@frogarchist Fair enough. Personally, my definition of a glitch is deliberately doing something not intended by the developers to gain an advantage. This is distinct from an exploit, which to me is an unintentional use of an intentional mechanic.

[@SkyBoxGaming]

More like Can I beat Halo CE Legendary under 3 hours as Intended?

[@blackmetalbreadstick]

I would immediately fail this because I would backpack reload something out of habit lol

[@trillionbones89]

25:08 ooooh, that's the reason for this video 😂 I'll try to do the same bruv

[@jakel9030]

I too love The Library!

[@raymondchou9550]

I just watched the vod...and you were BACKPACK RELOADING Isn't that...exploiting...a GLITCH in the game? ._______. All jokes aside, great video! ^^