From 16-Cores to 24-Cores 😱 8 Reasons I Switched to Intel 13th Gen

[@lukasve123]

Wow! This just happened to me just last month. From 3950x to 13900k. Though I only bought the cheapest z790 and a 3060ti because the CPU is already stealing all my money. lol. I'm a motion graphics/3D Artist btw.

[@lightning4201]

​@@NajiSibin May be a noob question, but what is the issue with Intel when it comes to motherboards?

[@BjayawesomeBlackDude]

Just to clarify, did you say that you have a 13900k CPU and a 3060ti GPU in your rig, and that you do CGI animation?" Since the Intel 13900k is a powerful CPU, it may be unbalanced to pair it with a low-tier 3060ti GPU. Instead, it might be better to consider pairing the CPU with an AMD RX 6950 XT, which offers better performance and comes with 16 GB of memory, compared to the 3060ti's 8GB of memory and 40% less performance. The AMD RX 6950 XT is available at a price of $579.99, making it a better investment.

[@shinjimirou928]

@@lightning4201 most of them tend to be overpriced when some cheaper ones can offer the same features without any issues.

[@liljaeger2k]

@@BjayawesomeBlackDude the problem comes with the optimization amd is not good at creative optimization

[@BjayawesomeBlackDude]

@@liljaeger2k you got my attention, I'm am curious which creativity application are we speaking of?

[@eaglepass5170]

Excellent video as always!!! How about another updated audio DAW focused video perhaps using audio DAW benchmark testing software???

[@nick-dogg]

Good content. Too many people get fixed with gaming benchmarks and not other factors.

[@brianrobinson3961]

I have a 5950X rig along with 13900K rig. In my experience the Ryzen CPU’s are very stable with less bugs. I know that probably isn’t the norm. My Intel set up I had several issues I had to troubleshoot when starting off. For instance continually had blue screens until I turned off PCI Express Native Power management in bios (This is on by default). This took several hours of troubleshooting trial and error till I finally figured it out. Also on Intel with Asus AI Overclock the system just was not stable. Now I’m running stock only with XMP enabled. No overclock. With Ryzen I was always able to turn on PBO with Curve Optimizer and get better performance and cooler temps. Overall I’m happy with both after several months. More tinkering with the Intel 13900K system to get it stable. Once stable it’s rock solid along with the Ryzen 5950X.

[@SAIDHUMOUD]

Maybe the Asus motherboard problem

[@nadtz]

Sounds like a combination of silicon lottery and a motherboard issue.

[@unlap9377]

This def sounds like an Asus problem. lol

[@EnemyDwarf-TTV]

You dont have these 2 pcs ....

[@CyberneticArgumentCreator]

You encountered ASUS BIOS problems and not Intel problems.

[@Real_MisterSir]

Been running the 13900K for almost half a year now, same Corsair DDR5 in xmp but 32 gig -in an ASUS I-ROG Strix B660 mobo. Haven't counted a single program crash or stutter until now (except one which was user error). Use Cinema 4D and Corona Render professionally, as well as Photoshop and some other software. Then I also game on it a couple hours a day - all while running tabs in bg and music streaming etc. No stability issues, no crashes, and best overall power consumption I've had in years. Actually helped me save money on electricity here in Europe during the peak of energy cost inflation where power would sometimes quintuple in price or more. It literally saved me 100s of dollars (converted) already compared to other similarly performing cpus and the previous build before my upgrade. Couldn't be happier, and the cpu is an absolute beast when all cores are put to work

[@nexxusty]

Lol, haven't watched Holes in awhile.

[@vasiovasio]

As an owner of this CPU, what is your opinion about temps/heat? No need to start some benchmark or something like this, it is important to what is your feeling - when you use it, if temps go up you Definitely will notice it because of fans, noise, and even increase the temp in the room.

[@25rodrigomg]

I’m planning on buying a 13900k for Corona ;) have you ever enforced power limit (253w) and checked the difference in rendering time?

[@Real_MisterSir]

@@25rodrigomg I haven't specifically done that, usually I measure the general workflow (I use interactive render a lot during my workflow and here the 13900K is so valuable), to me that initial burst in render speed is great no matter what I set the power limit to (also keep in mind thermal limit, but my Corsair 280mm aio seems to be holding up great). What cpu are you running currently?

[@25rodrigomg]

@@Real_MisterSir I'm currently on a 12600k. Not bad, but not as great as the i9.

[@barryobrien1890]

Just upgraded from a 3800x vega 56 to a 13500 / used 3080. So far so good. Mainly to get more nvme. Biggest issue I had is my 10gb mellanox pci card will not run on 13gen cpu as there are too many ecores and the driver crashes the system. Disabling ecores and everything works, so it's a new card for me. Always something. The good news is that 3800 GPU cards used are very affordable and perfect for 4k editing. I agree it's good to buy the best platform at the end rather than jumping into a new system. The lga1700 is pretty stable as was the AM4. The new socket and chipsets take a couple of years to settle and become reliable. I had no issues with the 3800x. It is very stable

[@BennyFade]

I’m running a 13600k coming from 5600x. Everything is feeling snappier and is more stable imo. I use the rig for content creation, music production and gaming and it does it all with no 14:25 problems. Last month I overclocked the CPU just for fun to see how it works (300MHz). Never crashed on me once. For me the switch was absolutely worth it.

[@billj5645]

13600K should be compared with the newer 7700X, but it beats that too.

[@valenrn8657]

@@billj5645 7800X3D displaced 7700X.

[@billj5645]

@@valenrn8657 I'm aware of it- more expensive than 7700x, slower than 7700x in most benchmarks, still takes 5 minutes to play with RAM before it boots, no thanks

[@adamhearts9195]

I'm looking to upgrade my 5600x myself for music production and video editing. Currently runnijg with 4070 ti,, trying to decide am4.. or am5... or making the switch to Intel 🤔😑. and also making the ddr5 jump,,, that doesn't seem very good yet,, ram wise

[@adamhearts9195]

@@BennyFade yeah I kind of leaning that way, so far I'm eyeballing the 13 600k 👀

[@Fordance100]

So true. My 10900F idles at 10W. Ryzen 5600x idles at 30W. 5900x idles at 50W.

[@frankmanzhu]

It does make sense. The only thing worries me is the motherboard, it's almost as expensive as the cpu. However, it has no upgradability. I would jump ship later this year with at least 2 year support on the 14th gen motherboard and potentially a processor with 4nm which gives far better power efficiency. Or the new AMD cpu with better memory support. Ryzen cpu does improve year over year. Remember the 1st gen Ryzen with so much memory issues?

[@DigeiFrunza]

Last year i was thinking "my next build will be AMD" ... this year, when i saw the AMD prices i changed my mind.... AMD improved alot these past few years, ALMOST on par with intel (taking in consideration price/performance/software/compatibility) , the only benefit to buy AMD was they had lower price than intel and deliver almost the same performance (overall) , but now they have the same price as intel or even HIGHER... I already bought myself i5 13600k ,14 Cores , 20 threads, 5.1Ghz.... i paid 260$ , the price to performance ratio in insane!

[@tandlose]

I mean before alder lake amd had way better price to performance and mt performance. I think the 5950x was like 60% faster than the 10900k

[@sj6523]

You mean 6 real cores and 8 cinebench boosters

[@bes12000]

I have a 7900X3D and it's been amazingly stable with a huge overclock, getting 30k cinebench r23 result with it and other benchmarks are putting 1000 points higher than a 7700x, with G.SKILL Trident Z5 Neo Series 64GB DDR5 6000 EXPO profile, it just screams with anything I throw at it and it stays under 80C and never goes above 100watts. It's probably not as good as other CPU's for multitasking and video encoding but it gets the job done. It also has the igpu which helps.

[@ronniekregar3482]

That’s a great chip.

[@Solrac-Siul]

Finally someone with some sort of audience mentions the iddle consumption. I am here seeing your video and my intel 12700 is pulling between 7 and 10 watts, with a ocasional jump to 12 for a few seconds and then gets back to 7 - 10... if i was not seeing a video it would be oscilating between 4 and 6, with a temperature of 28 to 29 , and that is with a aircooler and conservative fan curve

What you said about the memory controller is correct in 7000 Series, its really unstable at this moment. But in 5000 series, x570 its not a problem at all. I have this 2 builds {5950x and a 7950x) with 128gb and im having issues with memory frequencies in 7000 Series. Igpu is a fact too, Intel gives more performance. But 7000 Series got a radeon integrated Graphics and I believe that it will performs better with codecs in future updates. I couldnt pick 13900k for this my last build, even its cheaper than 7000 Series, because I would be stucked in lga 1700.with 7950x and X670E I got at least 3 more generations just replacing cpu, If AMD maintains the same commitment as previous sockets.

[@frederickmiller5492]

this is exactly why I went with a 7950x - the motherboards are going to last longer. I have had zero issues with mine. I've undervolted it to the '105' mode and it works wonderfully.

[@GrimK77]

Who would have thought, that using 4 sticks of DDR5 RAM results in lower memory frequencies, exactly like as the warnings said. You think that Intel doesn't have the same issue? Check again. You want high frequencies on DDR5? Stay with 2 modules.

[@meyatetana2973]

One thing I am not liking about intel cpu is the delay it has on certain programs, when you load a program up there is a delay and it's noticable and annoyingg

[@ionelroza]

These kind of videos are very useful. Stories are very important too, not just benchmarks. Thanks for this.

[@jibreelhughes]

I think it's awesome that you actually acknowledge the idle power consumption of 13th gen. Almost every other creator I've seen seems to just ignore it. I also had a question. Right now I'm running the 12900KS and am trying to hold out on upgrading until 14th gen, since it sounds kinda crazy. Do you think it would be worth it to keep on waiting for 14th gen, or to go ahead and make the switch to the 13900KS, which I've also been looking at?

[@mrrexy4151]

Why KS over K?? You can get 1% more performance for 20% more money...

[@brianrobinson3961]

Hang onto that 12900KS and see what performance boost Raptor Lake refresh will bring then make a decision would be my recommendation.

[@SssNiTroGeN]

wait for 16th or 15th gen😊

[@jibreelhughes]

@@mrrexy4151 The price had dropped around the 13th gen's release, so I was able to get the KS for around what I was going to spend on the the regular K variant.

[@mrrexy4151]

@@jibreelhughes Ok then...

[@DJaquithFL]

Most Thunderbolt issues are due to PCIe sharing. Then followed by drivers and occasionally BIOS including updates.

[@DJaquithFL]

.. in a nutshell, download the manual and search for that particular Thunderbolt header and see what is shared with. Temporarily remove or move whatever it is and test again.

[@nanchen2417]

I actually made a switch from Ryzen 9 7900 (non-X variant) to 13700K recently and have very first hand experience on both platforms and I am so far happy about the switch based on a few reasons: 1. Ryzen 7000 has a weak memory controller and requires long "training" time after changing memory settings and sometimes the boot time can be as long as 3 minutes which I have never seen on the intel platform. I paired it with 64GB of DDR5 memory which might be the reason. 2. There are weird stability issues somehow with my Ryzen 9 7900 since it will sporadically BSOD or reboot. Eventually the iGPU got a Code 43 error which requires me to boot the computer with an old graphics card to determine it was indeed the issue with the iGPU. This might be a particular issue for my CPU and may also be related to the memory controller issue but I cannot afford the time to dig into it anymore. 3. Idle power consumption. I measured the system idle power from wall and the intel platform is about 25W in total and AMD was about 45-50W which is a sizable difference if I want to run the machine as a 24/7 Linux server. 4. Intel platform has similar power efficiency after some careful tweaking (you must have a Z-series motherboard for that though). I am able to get over 30750 CB R23 score without thermal throttling (at ~190W peak power draw) using Thermalright PA120 SE air cooler with 13700K after some undervolting and by limiting the CPU PL1 to 90W I can get almost the same 245xx CB R23 score as the Ryzen 9 7900 at 88W PPT(65W TDP). 5. The intel platform has much better general support in productivity softwares thanks to the very good media engine in its iGPU whereas the AMD Ryzen 7000 iGPU is not very useful in that regards. Things to notice: 1. Remember to get a Z-series motherboard (z690/790) if you want to do undervolting/tweaking since 13th gen will have enormous power consumption on B-series motherboard due to the lack of AC_LL and DC_LL and it is much harder to get undervolting done properly to maximize its power efficiency. Raptor lake can be almost as power efficient as Zen 4 under load but you need to tweak it. 2. Raptor lake can use DDR4 to save additional money with your old DDR4 memory kits and the performance is pretty close to nowadays cheap DDR5 kits. The only problem would be finding a good Z690/790 motherboard for DDR4 but I know ASUS has some good options there.

[@papabepreachin8664]

I was considering getting the same 7900 (non-X), but am on the fence of upgradability. However, I think I’d prob need to upgrade the motherboard if I went Zen4 when AM6 drops anyway...

[@nanchen2417]

@@papabepreachin8664 Upgradability was part of my consideration when I built the Ryzen 9 7900 system but I got far more troubles than expected with it and finally lost my patience. The memory controller problem would probably be the biggest issue with Zen 4 builds and I would suggest to be careful if you plan to use 64GB or more memory on it. It took me days trying to figure out the reason for BSODs and reboots.

[@nanchen2417]

@@papabepreachin8664 BTW, the stock cooler (Wraith Prism) can do the job of cooling a stock 7900 but is very noisy under load and would randomly spin up during Windows idle. Just FYI.

[@papabepreachin8664]

@@nanchen2417 Thanks for the info! I was curious about the stock cooler too as I wanted to keep costs low, but knew it hampered performance.

[@papabepreachin8664]

@@nanchen2417 I was afraid of the BSOD issues associated with mem. controller and many AM5 boards stability issues. I need 64+ GB ram and don't have time to troubleshoot nor deal w/ training memory.

[@goldfries]

My 13600K performs just as good as my 5900X that has more cores and threads, impressive. However I'll be downgrading to 7600 from the 5900X since my Davinci Resolve now using GPU acceleration. Thanks to point #3 - that's new to me, so maybe I should put my 12600K / 13600K in there for the iGPU.

[@JohnSmith-pn2vl]

5900x has double the performance cores, the 13600k has only 6 combined with 8 "efficient" cores.

[@goldfries]

​@@JohnSmith-pn2vl yes, I'm sure we all know that. I was expecting 5900X to lead by a huge margin considering 12/24 vs 6/8/20 but to my surprise the 13600K really close when I was trying out CPU for encoding task.

[@sgtsprog6702]

I had the same decision to make, trying to find The sweet spot between productivity and gaming. I chose the 13900k after weeks of research for the same reasons, I saved some money by going for MSI MPG Z690 CARBON motherboard with 64gig of gskill memory, it's very stable and incredibly versatile.

[@vidsurfer0725]

What was your old CPU if u don't mind me asking?

[@romiejohnbanares1184]

what m.2 you use?

[@zenithchan1646]

Lmao answer their questions lol

[@WarlordDestroyer]

Upgraded not long ago from a 5th Gen Intel 7 with TITAN X to an AMD Ryzen 9 7950X with Aorus Master RTX 4090. No regrets so far.

[@ItsDeeno69]

everyone know u r lying

[@zenithchan1646]

@@ItsDeeno69nah seriously whether it is the 13900k or 7950x both are superior cpus and are very capable

[@ItsDeeno69]

@@zenithchan1646 I meant to say that I see so many people commenting I have upgraded my pc and then the same people commenting on a benchmark video that I wish I had this pc like what

[@WarlordDestroyer]

@@ItsDeeno69 Am I? 😂

[@iamamish]

Your point about idle power consumption is a very good one. I noticed that my 5900x is typically pulling about 50 watts when idle. I'm going to be building a combo Plex/NAS box and everything is steering me toward Intel - the idle power consumption is just the icing on the cake.

[@WSS_the_OG]

That's a nice upgrade, and makes perfect sense for your use-case. I just want to point out, I've found Adobe products to be fairly unstable, in unpredictable, non-repeatable, ways. It only really became obvious once I started working with DaVinci Resolve, and found that to be quite a bit more stable overall (but still not perfect). Two systems I've used these programs on are an Intel 12700k, and a Ryzen 5900x. In my experience, neither platform gave me any stability advantage with Adobe products as the software seemed to be the main problem, not the hardware.

[@stevefreeman6646]

In some ways they also butchered Audition after they acquired it. A staple app used in the pro media industry for years. I found an XP production machine running pre-Adobe Audition that hadn't had a reboot for two years and was still putting out product (uncompressed MPEG2 for broadcasting - w/ vid used for waveform spectrum display)

[@jamescampbell6728]

13900k has been $500 recently which is a great deal. I'd also probably down-clock the e-cores and p-cores a tiny bit, which should get it closer to the optimal voltage/freq curve (idk why intel pushed these so hard and make them consume 300w). Also probably lower the temp and power limit. Getting the thermal right/thermal grizzly contact frame is also a must imo!

[@theTechNotice]

Actually is not Intel pushing it to 300w, its the motherboard manufacturers. Intel says 253W ;)

[@jamescampbell6728]

@@theTechNotice That's true, I forgot about that!

[@03chrisv]

​@theTechNotice I have a 13900 non k in my small ITX PC with a power limit of 219w and my motherboard will circumvent Intel's limit and still pump over 270w when running Cinebench R23 before thermal throttling. Basically my 13900 non k performs better than a 13900k running at Intel's intended power limit lol. These motherboard manufacturers are crazy lol.

[@HDRPC]

​@@theTechNotice agreed. Undervolt 13900k and still you will get more multicore in only 250 watt max power consumption than default 300 watt.

[@WarThunderGerald]

Wild! - JUST TODAY MY 13900k on ProArt Z790 came alive! with 5200mhz Corsair Dominator Ram + another 64GB kit I'm about to install and see how it goes!! 🙏 But it was your video with the ASUS rep that helped me choose this platform vs AM5 - and to not go for the cheaper 12th gen Intel as I need the best IMC there is and HOPE i can get 128GB working later today and to see at what speed. If not for that video Id have gone with 12th gen and the z790 ProArt vs. 690 because like the original X570 (AM4 5950X Now becoming GF's main PC) it doesn't exist anywhere! And the ProArt WAS A MUST HAVE FOR ME! Irony is I had an X570 ProArt and returned it back when it had normal pricing! So this choice for me was ALL ABOUT THE MOTHERBOARD! Needing the extra NVME Drive slots! & that similar to how X570 Pro art is all gone the 12th gen intel Z690 is about to be or at time of this was more costly than the 13th gen! Plus I liked that extra 400mhz boost or whatever slight improvement the Z790 board gave over 690 - But it was the IMC of the 13th gen that solidified this for me! And before we bought more film equipment new Sony A7IV Cameras etc. - We were going to just build 2 AM4 systems to save on money a bit (ended up pverextending our budget A LOT but the benefit of both having very powerful creator PC's is worth it now) and the reasons agsint intel were.. lifespan of the socket type vs AMD - BUT Because we were going to just do 2x AM4 builds with discounted parts anyway - The "intel option" as I started calling this investment well upgradability isn't any different as with dual AM4 systems, it was a dead end anyway! So instead go for Best IMC for 128GB ram 🙏 AND MOBO I needed! So it boiled down to two things: (#1) I needed the least expensive path to a Pro Art motherboard, or not overpaying ono a dated one just for artificial scarcity - this was it (Z790) WITH THE MAJOR BONUS OF the GF getting my former creator PC! (5950X 128gb 3600mhz) - DRIVE SPACE ON MOBO AND USB C and high bandwidth communications and storage! Kinda sad to not h ave PCIE 5 for SSDs but no big deal DDR4 and my ONLY go to SN850X drives (even a 4TB version of it - LOVE IT!) @ 7.3Gb/s IS fast enough!! (#2) & knowing i need 128GB ram! Of anyone on planet earth I ... not even on projects.... just daily use end up really Using it! - So I DO USE IT! (Also note AM5 7950X would have forced speeds down to 3600mhz on DDR5 ANYWAY and a Japanese video / only one i could find of a AM5 with 128Gb RAM - With the 7950X & 4x 32GB Sticks @ I believe 5200mhz - That setup was BARELY beating Cinebench scores of my former AM4!) - So why pay all that for little net gain? AS AMD IS REALLY CPU LIMITED BY RAM SPEED!!! = PROBLEM IF YOU LIKE ME NEED 128GB AND KNOW IT! Where I swear somewhere I saw even with 128gb or 4 sticks of ram density that new intel CPU 13th gen only dropped like 5% performance vs potentially up to 40% for AMD 1:1 RAM link (dont fully get buyt know enough that Intel was less effected by needing slower RAM and as thats the needed tradeoff to get to 128GB - this made the most sense!) So 🙏 Wishing luck im about to turn off the computer and see what 128GB options this allows for what speeds... - Its crazy to see this video just 8hours ago as I ... days ago made the choice based on all the logic in your other videos - Yet hadn't had a direct confirmation that you also were making the switch! as your channel has most influence over my choices as its one of the only creator based channels and if there even are any its the best! - Anyway the timing of this was just Very cool!

[@WarThunderGerald]

Okay - I delayed it byy a day - Im going to install the other 64Gb Corsair Dominator 5200Mhz Ram (For those like myself that also like to have Corsair handle their Fans and RGB lighting - I run mine white but still enjoy the Illuminated Squares along the Dominator type RAM & Already use iCUE for all my fan and lighting controllers - Corsair keyboard and mouse I'm ALL IN and love that both a Comander Core XT [or whatever comes with the Capellix 360mm AIO] & Commander Pro together - ONLY Taking up ONE USB header! and 10 fans and AIO pump and graphics card + Periferals all controlled with a simple system that's ALSO the SAME COMPANY THAT MAKES ALL THE Elgato Streaming Products!) So - Im ALL IN on Corsair! and I feel I cant be alone with that as its IMO the most elegant lighting and cooling system out there! SO - I share this as I think ill post my first video ever about computers SHOWING THE DOMINATOR DDR5 INSTALL of 128GB and what problems I run into if any! As videos of this are SO RARE to know if it will work for sure.. what RAM speed is a waste of money if needing 128GB - if its worth it and... again I just always see Vengence or other Ram if its EVER CORSAIR AT ALL! So I'm shutting down computer now - And Inspired by this hope to get a video up for anyone wanting to know if a 13900k on ProArt Z790 + CORSAIR DOMINATOR 2x64gb 5200mhz kits (!28GB) CAN or WILL WORK! - IDK 🤷 We will see and anyone drawn here for the knowledge of this transfer to 13900k as his main PC - maybe others like myself are not okay with just 64GB need the 128Gb and want to know if its possible to do and at what speed and how much performance degradation is there? - I hope I can post a video answering that for anyone like me wanting to know before they buy (use me as your product tester & lets learn!) Again sadly Not even here can I find the answer to this!! Sorry if it seems like self promotion - I doubt someones going to read the comment on my comment - but I do want an answer I put a lot on the line financially and have benchmarked the PC with 64GB and will compare it once the 1228Gb is installed - Assuming it works! Can click on my icon to find that video until professional reviewers like this will get around to answering it as I so badly hope - as it seems like without going to 3gb IC chip based tech for 48GB sticks (96GB total with 2 and later 4GB IC chips back to the ram amounts we are familiar with - where 2 sticks could hold 128GB and avoid the problems of slowing system down so much to use more than 2 slots... UNTIL THEN - ITS HARD TO KNOW WHAT TO DO! Also interesting note - Corsair so far is leader in that as far as I know & SO FEW VGideos ever feature corsair ram! IDK WHY! Its always the same ugly (IMO) Kinsignton FURY RAM - Has anyone els noticed that? Especially on AM5 Ryzen 7000 series build videos I watched the only ones ever showing 128gb used and everyone used that same weird ass brand! - LIKE ALL CONTENT CREATORS USE IT! WHY? At least here in the video above HES FINALLY USING CORSAIR RAM! (Ive always wondered why he doesn't go for corsair products more often and Western Digital is looked over in NVME drive videos and... Idk I think that's tragic as they are an exilent HDDproducer AND ALL PRODUCTS Come with same quality! and nice ease of use management programs for drive health with just - IDK WHY Western Digital isn't referenced more in the world of Storage that and Corsair branded things like ram seem to usually not make it into build videos! and about the Kinsington Fury ram that glows orange or appears that way in most all photos - WHY IS IT EVERYWHERE?? - Is it because they are providing it for free to help promote it? It doesn't make much sense IMO as a ... just corsair has much cleaner nicer looking ram that looks like it BELONGS IN A PROFESSIONAL's COMPUTER! Not ... so Gaming themed with jagged edges and spikes! - DECENT PROPER LOOKING HARDWARE! I think he used the vengeance finally on his build here if I recall correctly.. Sorry this is a LONG post! But for the right person wanting answers - I made it for those idk 5 viewers I may ever get! Hope my testing of this helps! AND AGAIN ID LOVE TO SEE IT DONE ON THIS CHANNEL INSTEAD! Id LOVE FOR THIS CHANNEL TO ADDRESS USING 4 STICKS OF DDR5 128GB for content creator PC's and if its ... worth it? There's been a great BASICS of RAM video sort of talking about DDR5 and RAM "RanK' & "Density" ISSUES ON HIS CHANNEL TITILED: " Why I get NO POST with XMP??? 👉 ULTIMATE RAM + XMP Guide" BUT STILL NOWHERE IS ANYONE PUTTING 128GB ON A BUILD - why? Why not even try? and ID GUESS IF ANY PC HAD A DECENT CHANCE TO NOT SUFFER CPU PERFORMANNCE (And system overall) IT would be one base don an intel 13900K or BETTER 13900KS (id love to have and one of his videos showed him running higher speed RAM 4 sticks with the 12th gen showing how much that KS mattered!) - but NOTHING OVER 13th gen! While I wont have a 13900KS to test for a while anyway I can AT LEAST ANSWER WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU RUN 128GB DDR5 5200MHZ Corsair DOminator RAM inside a good looking professional work station PC! I HOPE IT WORKS and performance doesn't suffer to badly from going from 2 to 4 sticks at this high Density! 🙏 - Click on my info to find out! Hope it helps some people until real pro channels will begin answering those questions vs only sticking around whats popular for MOST PEOPLE! as MOST PEOPLE will have a MAX OF 64GB - WHAT ABOUT THOSE THAT NEED MORE?? Hope I can shine some light onto this and stir up talk about it as id love a much better made video from this channel about it than what I can make! But I will post it on my channel as the default video once I get it posted! Take care! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TLDR VERSION: IM TODAY NOW BUMPING UP From 64GB to RUNNING 128GB DDR5 ONN A 13900K - Want to see if it works? Until answers will be on channels like this -- I hope whatever I find (and post in a crappy video) will help others in the professional content creator PC market! 🙏 -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

[@zenithchan1646]

I can’t read all of this 😭

[@DJaquithFL]

Even on the gaming side, which also can include being a creator and oftentimes includes not just the power of the CPU for the gaming, but the simultaneous additional power required real time for the mixing, rendering and publication aka streaming. Intel's monolithic core does not put to sleep, lobotomize, half of its CPU.

[@Thundra74]

Thank bro your considerations answered to my dubts completely !

[@Ignitros]

I'm making the switch from AMD to Intel. I had an AMD 5900X and wanted to jump to 7000 Ryzen but the issues with gaming parking cores and such turned me off. Having a scheduler within windows that requires a bunch of additional software to work properly doesn't sit well with me so I decided to jump to a 13900K. Gaming performance as well as other tasks sealed it or me.

[@ivvan497]

7800X3D is also good for gaming and no need to fiddle with parking cores like 7950X3D

[@CWWJR]

If you do a mix of productivity and gaming 13900k is 100% yo boi. Same if you are a video editor. You can use quick sync for premiere and your GPU in another app for rendering. I do a mix of editing and gaming the 13900k gave me a MUCH better experience. I returned my 7950x for it. Plus Ryzen has micro stutter randomly in some games

[@SpoonHurler]

My 13600k tried everything in its power to stop me from watching this video. EDIT: Switched from a Ryzen 2600 to the 13600k and I had massive issues trying to get 4 sticks of ram to work with ryzen... after about giving up for about 6 months, without a bios update even... it started to work with all the same sticks (i had split the 4 pack between that build and my short lived media station build). The intel build has had 4x16 GBs (twice the capacity of my old build) 5600 mt and is not only stable but a few of the super tight timing profiles I have made work great too. The most surprising thing is the E-cores... I went in thinking they just be a little boost but they are really impressive. I tend to have at least 4 of them running bluestacks and they do that better than the 2600 did all on its own.

[@abdulhannan5256]

Lmao comparing an old second gen ryzen with the latest intel processor? Aint that a bit biased tbh

[@SpoonHurler]

​@@abdulhannan5256 I'm comparing platforms, not processors. I have had zero issues with my Intel build and my AMD one had a list of headaches. I bought both very close to launch so comparing the early teething issue feels fair to me. I never said the 2600 was worse cause its slower, that's to be expected and the 15600k will be better than the 13600k... not being able to post with 4 of the exact same RAM is not an age issue, it's a micro architecture one. Sorry for hurting your fan boy feelings.

[@Markisha64]

I just bought 7800x3d. Workflow is some small VMs, engineering software (light load), and games (work from home). I was considering 13900k, but i could not justify the heat output of that chip. Imho total failure. I watched your efficiency video many times....but f that. For my case AMD won with x3d and low heat with that chip. I do care for idle power consumption, but heat under load/noise i more important. Another thing, i do believe intel raptor lake chips are much better design (that is a fact), but at the same time process is much worse than TSMC. I do really believe that next gen on EUV intel will blow AMD with TMSC. For someone who changes platform every 4-6 years, i would def. wait rather than buy RL. I bought x670e creator cos your video. :)

[@goldfries]

Same reason why I sold off my 12900K, monster of a CPU for performance but the power draw and heat was insane. I don't like.

[@tilapiadave3234]

Sorry to hear about your severe mental illness

[@iliaskapatos]

I am with the 7950x for Davinci Resolve and a 8K-RAW workflow and I was using without problems two kits of 2x16GB Kingston FURY (64GB) with EXPO at 6000Mhz, then I went to two kits of 2x32GB g.skill Trident Z5 neo with EXPO 6000Mhz (128GB), but here I have to run them at 4800Mhz, this is sad. But Ryzen 8000 and 9000 should allow the faster RAM settings, so I think the future upgrades will be nice and not so expensive for my PC. With 128GB DDR5 a VR180 workflow with fusion (8K but not RAW) is staying at about 26fps (while with 64GB it was falling down to 2-3 fps, this is the reason why I stay with more but slower RAM), the Taskmanager shows up to 107GB RAM in use! I think for RAW workflow with DR the AMD and the Intel will be almost on pair. My biggest pain had been the 6.5 minutes boottime with this PC, but luckily that was fixed with the last firmwareupdate for my Motherboard, now it boots in about 30 seconds. Beside the slow setting for my RAM, the other problem is, that I can get sometimes a bluescreen, but luckily it always comes after the work in DR or by running a benchmark, and I have this since I use 128GB RAM. This shows that my PC is not as stable as it should be, so I think Intel 13900k would be more stable. Now as the IGPU will not help for RAW playback and because the comming two upgrades should be much cheaper than with Intel, and I can work with RAW 8K smooth for my main usecases, I am happy to be with AMD.

[@Chalisque]

My music rig is a 5950X (used for Ableton etc.). The previous (used for live playing/classical piano) is a 9900K. What made me uneasy about the hybrid-core is issues about what gets scheduled on what when doing music. Essentially how does your music software know what VSTs and signal chains to put on peformance cores and which on efficiency cores? Firstly the DAW has to be coded to know the difference, as do any VSTs that use multi-core themselves. Then the likely answer is to run everything on the peformance cores and only use efficiency cores for non-DSP stuff. So basically then the 13900K is basically an 8-core with slightly higher single-core performance than the 16-core 5950X.

[@righteousone8454]

So, as 13900k user, that actually upgraded from 9900k, I will tell you that the answer is "perhaps". Stay away from x3D chips though, because they will be the worst in terms of fkery with scheduler. Win 11 scheduler works way better with 13900k in gaming, consistency wise and frame to frame, but I noticed drop out at settings that 9900k handled just fine (mainly buffer in Cubase 5 and 12). If you disable hyperthreading in games you will not get stutters. With hyperthreading you will see occasional spike. This can be a reason for a drop outs in audio. I just discovered this this week when trying to fix my Red Dead Redemption 2 random systemic stutter. I turned off hyper threading in the game itself through Process Lasso, and also did NOT turn off E-Cores, and my stutter went bye-bye, and frame to frame became faster with no bumps. 13900k is multithreading monster, but if you go updating your CPU it's an excellent choice, it chews through tasks. BUT! If I was just doing audio production, I would go for 100% fixed core scenario, with no fluctuations such as mismatch in frequencies in 7950x3D and 13900k, and having consistent amount of cores like 11th gen Intel, 7950x, or even old x299 platform. Because you want consistent frequencies on real cores, with no shenanigans. Also, adjustable frequency of any Ryzen chip can cause stutter and drop out, absolutely pin cores to a fixed rate for stability. Be that Intel or AMD. Speed up from 3.0ghz to 4.6ghz can easily cause a drop out in audio, or stutter in games.

[@atta1798]

I found no issue w/my DAWs with a 16 core......Zen 4

[@andthatsmytune]

Is that an X3D or just an X? I imagine the X3D isn't as much of a problem for music as efficiency cores are.

[@atta1798]

@@andthatsmytune you should be fine with either one I used the first 16 core Desktop Threadripper back in 2017 or so... just remember.....all these tools are tuned for Intel....but no issues so far

[@RobH2022]

People are two married to one brand or the other it should be what's best suited for the situation kind of like American politics red or blue it's just pure ridiculous. I'm with you on this. Intel is just better suited for creators

[@03chrisv]

I usually buy AMD to support the underdog but this time around I bought a 13900 and paired it with a RTX 4070. It's a better creator machine than anything you can make using only AMD. I think for gaming AMD is really solid but for everything else they seem either a generation behind, half baked or not completely stable.

[@joshnichols2815]

Thanks for all of the videos you make! It is helpful to hear about non-gaming targeted pc builds. I've learned so much from watching and have just built my first computer this weekend for my new business. This computer is giving incredible performance and runs completely silent. I'm running architectural rendering software constantly and I'm blown away at how fast I can get my work done now, and neither the cpu or gpu has not gone above 50 degrees under load. I went with: Fractal North tg chalk white Asus ProArt z790 Intel i9 13900k Thermal Grizzly contact frame + Kryonaut thermal paste Kingston Fury Beast RGB 128 GB DDR5 Samsung 990 pro 1TB OS drive Seagate FireCuda 530 2TB project drives x2 EK Nucleus CR360 AIO Lux D-RGB MSI Suprim x Liquid RTX 4090 Be Quiet Light Wings Fans x6 Corsair HX1500i 80+ platinum power supply Had so much fun putting it together, keep up the great videos! Your guides have been extremely helpful

[@Waldherz]

The USB issues you mention is the same thing I experience with my Z790 Hero. Asus ignores me for 4 months so far, maybe you should contact them.

[@cheeseburgero1]

13900k +z690 Asus ddr5 +3060 ti+deep cool LT520,PSU reddragon 850. The i9 was hard to tame, but once you break that stallion it rides real smooth. My temps have yet to go over 76c after undervolt and underclock stuff.

[@Crossfire2003]

Great video! It was interesting to see the power usage difference between Intel & AMD top of the line CPUs (most people believe that Intel CPUs are using more power & get a lot hotter, when in reality that's not always true).

[@MatrixJockey]

Not always true just means that INTEL is hotter most of the time.

[@Crossfire2003]

@@MatrixJockey When in idle, or low processing state, Intel draws less power compared to AMD. When cranked at the max, for some heavy workload, Intel draws more power than AMD, but that is normal, since Intel delivers higher single-core & 8-core performance compared to AMD! (I am talking about top of the line CPUs of both companies).

[@JohnSmith-pn2vl]

@@Crossfire2003 actually this depends on what you do, this are all no gaming components, for audio work the ryzen is way, way better it has double the performance cores, the efficiency ones are basically useless in that scenario.

[@Crossfire2003]

@@JohnSmith-pn2vl Actually, if we are talking about music production, Intel is superior to AMD due to the faster single core performance. Music production uses heavily serial processing, instead of parallel processing. So, more cores don't matter as much.

[@damientoman]

I just upgraded my AMD 3900X (12/24)/X570/64GB DDR4. It has been rock solid but I want to be ready for PCIE Gen 5.0 SSDs. I considered the Intel 13900k but wanted a potentially longer life MB/processor/DDR5 option that supported PCIE 5.0 M.2. I chose the 7900X (12/24)/X670 (Gigabyte Gaming X XA)/64GB DDR5 route along with a RX 6800 GPU with 16GB GDDR6. It screams and is also rock solid. No crashes ever. I do use Vegas Pro 20 for video editing.

[@jensgrunewald1049]

2.5 years ago I went from an Intel i7-6700K to a Ryzen 9 5950X because of my hobby Astrophotography. It took the 6700K the whole night to work on my photo. The Ryzen needed about 2-3 hours for the same work. But I had issues with it right from the scratch. USB Ports crashed and the PC would restart randomly. With every Bios update it got better, but nerver really stopped. 2 weaks ago I‘ve had enough of it. I bought an Intel i7-13700K and what shall I say… idling down from 30-40 watts to 7-10 wats, no problems with USB, no crashes - just stable and runs much cooler than the AMD ❤❤❤

[@MDFGamingVideo]

7950x edges it out in most apps, while using 50w less power. Won't take the 7950x long to pay for itself in power savings either. The Intel 13 series is the AMD FX of their CPU line.

[@gmiblessed]

Lol hardly like FX. Raptor lake is at least powerful in performance despite the heat and power consumption. Bulldozer was worse than Sandybridge in every way.

[@computerenthusiast402]

In that upgraded computer you just built. Put the i5 in it and Bench mark it with the Intel i5-13600k too to see the difference in performance benchmarks.

[@valenrn8657]

13900K has 8 fat cores (with three hardware 256-bit FP SIMD per core, total 6144-bit FP SIMD processing) with 16 small cores (with three hardware 128-bit SIMD per core, total 6144 bit FP SIMD processing). 12,288 bit FP processing combined. Ryzen 9 7950 has 16 cores (four hardware 256-bit FP SIMD per core); 16,384-bit FP processing combined. Cinebench R23 is useless when there's Blender. Are you actually going to purchase Cinema 4D R25 for $3495 USD or $719 USD annual subscription over Blender? . The valid comparison against Core i9 13900K is Ryzen 9 7950X, not the older Ryzen 9 5950X.

[@professorh8398]

Please, please create a video comparing the 13900 and 13900k. It makes so much sense to make that video but no one has made it yet.

[@03chrisv]

I own a 13900. Single core performance is basically the same as the 13900k, multithread performance is about 5% to 7% slower due to lower power limit, but many motherboards will override Intel's power limit and run the processor as fast as possible. My 13900 has a power limit of 219w but my motherboard will easily pump 270w or more into it when running benchmarks so performance can get really close to a 13900k. Just get whichever is cheaper at the time of purchase since motherboard manufacturers make Intel's power limits kind of pointless.

[@professorh8398]

@@03chrisv Does it get the same driver/codecs and such?

[@03chrisv]

@professorh8398 Yes, the 13900 is identical to the 13900k so it has the same iGPU with all the Intel media engine encoders/decoders, just lower power limits and slightly lower turbo clocks (5.6ghz vs 5.8ghz) but overall very similar performance. If you have an ITX case or just prefer slightly better out of the box efficiency the 13900 is an excellent choice. You're not going to notice any real world performance difference between the two if I'm honest.

[@HugoGTR]

Congrats for the video. Great content and a nice topic. I recent moved from a Ryzen 9 5900x to a Ryzen 9 7950x + Asus TUF x670E, and after a month I sell it and changed to a i9 13900k, with a MSI Tomahawk z790. After 4 generations of AMD, I decided to change because I couldn't accept that my newly mounted setup was crashing and blue screening me all day long. I discovered that first was the 4 DDR5 DIMM modules (4x16GB), then it was the NIC driver. After that it was the chipset driver that caused me the instability, and after many hours trying to put an stock system stable, I said it is enough. The Intel i9 consume a lot less power idling (I get around 4w to 7w versus 22w to 30w on Ryzen), and since my computer is my work tool and it is on more than 14 hours a day, it matters. I was able after a little tweaking to undervolt it and decrease even more the power consumption and the system is rock solid and very very fast. Couldn't be happier! So for me personally you are right on several points on your video!

[@HDRPC]

Yes undervolting will give give your better efficiency and more performance also still CPU will run cooler.

[@nivea878]

i like the stability on 13th gen , my 13600K seems to be superb since 8 months no issues

[@dnoordink]

I've just bought the 13900K and a Gigabyte 4090 waterforce. Bought the CPU after watching your video on its relative power consumption. Loving it so far!

[@KinGDGaminG63]

I love intel 12 and 13th gen. Fast. Stable. Battle tested in gaming and productivity. I mean 3d v cache is nice for gaming. But that's it. And even then I wouldn't say it's better than i9. More efficient for sure though. Idgaf about that myself

[@daveg4417]

I skipped over the Intel 13th gen because of the small maximum memory size, and went from an AMD R9-5950X 128GB right to an Intel Xeon W7-2495X, a true 24-Core (the 13900 is 8 P-cores). I needed more memory for the work that I do, starting with 512GB DDR5 ECC RDIMM, expandable to 2TB when the larger sizes become available. In addition to the video work that I do, I also do software development, and specialized work with Unreal Engine and TerreSculptor. The Xeon Workstation hardware is a complete next level ecosystem though.

[@irone7050]

it depends on what you want. intel 24C maybe better at handling creator/graphics but can only run 8 backtest optimizations at one time due to its 8 Pcores. 16 Ecores not doing anything to run backtest optimizations

[@KetogenicGuitars]

I have old 2600K and it is rock solid system. It has never had bluescreen of death in ten years. Even when the cpu fan got broken and I did not notice in few weeks it worked beautifully(but the cooler and mobo collected dust clumps). There is 700$ sound card which I could save by cleaning clumps. Now it is back running at 45C with very big stitched fan aside. I want to upgrade now and make it to pro level with full 192GB memory but the thing is where you can get a motherboard later. You need to buy 2 of them keeping other as spare. I want to keep the 13900K or 7950x3d 10 years and no less and PSUs and motherboards cannot take it. Never have been at least. For example I have third PSU and 3rd motherboard going on under 2600K. So I need to invest in spare boards. Now this is as Intel is moving on from LGA 1700 to some other socket is bad deal for me and almost forces to go to AMD AM5 camp. I would not like to but it is rational move because of that Intel socket change.

[@ryanpalmer5728]

Stability is all that matters in content creation. Intel and Nvidia all day long. I can't have my Premiere Pro rig crash, ever.

[@HakonBroderLund]

QuickSync is by far the biggest difference if you work with 10bit h265 codecs. AMD really dropped the ball on their iGPU this 7000 series in that regard.

[@makkienleong6865]

Before end of Nov 2021, 5900X with Gigabyte X570 Aorus Master, G.Skill TridentZ Neo 32GB DDR4-3200 CL14 (and lots of BIOS updates). Crash here and there, not even pushing it to max on tuning . Crash on Stock XMP too. Swapped to 12900K and Asus ROG Strix Z690-A D4. No crashes, unless I pushed too hard on tuning (talking about more than DDR4-4133 CL16). Stable. Still using the same AMD optimized RAM. I've also seen people complaining about other things like USB dropouts on AMD platform.

[@dezaremos5944]

With regards to the power efficiency you've mentioned, Is the 13600k more power efficient overall compare to my current R5 3600 ??

[@WiFeYBurGLeR1]

Speaking from a gaming standpoint, 13th Gen is amazing. If you're willing to spend some extra money, it's crazy fast. I'm running a 4090 paired with a 13900KS with 8000mhz ram. You need a Z790 Apex, Z790 Tachyon or Z790 Dark to run those ram speeds though. Thats what I mean by spending some extra money. I'm running an Apex and I got 7800mhz XMP to worth out the box. Some light tunning and I run 8000mhz all day. Coming from a 5950x its night and day. I know people don't want to hear it but with the current tech, chiplets are inferior to monolithic when it comes to raw performance. Idk why but most Tech tubers don't give the whole picture when comparing AMD and Intel. This is an awesome video and I'm happy you're coming from a factual unbiased point of view. The cult of AMD is strong on KZbin these days lol

[@ClementLee2000]

This is because : All thanks to AMD, for making Intel wake up their idea and stop treating consumers like fools. If not because of what AMD had done, Intel will still be happily milking consumers. We don't want either of them to die, we want them both to be around to continue to have competition.

[@captainlooney4356]

A 6400 kit can OC to 8000 easily so technically you can save money by buying the cheaper kit.

[@WiFeYBurGLeR1]

@@captainlooney4356 Yea definitely, If you get some A-die. I'm not that good at tuning though so I just grabbed some 7800. lol

[@WiFeYBurGLeR1]

@@ClementLee2000 Yessir, I'm with you on that. I just have a problem with reviewers that are bitter towards Intel and Nvidia giving biased info to consumers that are naive to the hobby. Competition is the most important thing in this hobby! Also, people need to stop siding with corps. They don't care about us. Buy what performs the best no matter the brand. I've seen people waste their money on inferior hardware just to rep a brand. That is insane to me. Just my 2 cents.

[@mikewilliams1479]

don't be surprised if intel adds some level of an AV1 encoder to the igpus in the next few years

[@akrita81]

If you want to see performance on video editing, try Davinci Resolve.

[@technodust7833]

Hey everybody! Is 12600k the best budget decision for 2023?gonna try it for my built...thx

[@qjiao8204]

It’s powerful enough, try to get on below 150usd.

[@MrHoojaszczyk]

Running i13900k and 4090, 32gb of ddr 5 6800 ram and NO stability issues.

[@MrHoojaszczyk]

@Tetsujinmustdie Got the CPU bracket, Grizzly paste, Corsair 360 cooler and bunch of Nactua fans.

[@ausejoski]

I will never change flatform from intel to amd.. Intel is more stable than the red team period.

[@PaulMrPKcom]

Just build a new pc, after listening to a lot of reviews and comparisons and considering my own needs i decided to for Gigabyte Aorus Elite X wifi 7 ; 2Xx32gb ram Corsair 32 40 40 40 6000mhz, i7 13700k, noctua cooler, gtx3060 12gb, 1000w psu. No OC yet.. I think this was most bang for the money within my budget. I use davinci, Lightroom and office, a lot of multitasking, occasionally FPS gaming... My 4 year old pc is almost as fast w this one when it comes to everyday office tasks, but games davinci and LT are about 2-3 times as fast... I run dual boot with linux Garuda and win 11 geekbench shows linux is 10% faster, feels snappier actually :) Anyway, did I right choice?

[@jukebox6470]

My 13-9000k arrives Tuesday. I am a colorist in Resolve. I will let you know if I have problems with Gen 3 USB, I usually use a powered usb hub to eliminate connections to the rear io.

[@heyitsjel]

Every point you covered is pretty much on the money; keep going with the great content! I've previously had intel 1/3/4/6/9/10/11/12/13th gen processors in some shape or form (eg. desktop or laptop, or both for some generations), and also multiple ryzen 1st and 3rd gen. I can confidently say that as a whole, stability has been significantly better on the Intel systems. Ryzen 1st gen was a little bit unstable and filled with numerous issues (eg. memory compatibility), but 2nd/3rd/5th generations seemed to fix *most* of the issues - however, I have noticed that "weird" bugs/issues tend to be more profound on AMD rigs with regards to specific vendor/models of motherboard... and I personally haven't really run into this issue as often with the Intel systems. As someone else below mentioned, I do feel that the Intel 12th/13th gen systems in day-to-day use feel slightly snappier/responsive than their AMD counterparts. I'm not sure if this is a latency issue due to monolithic vs chiplet design, or something else such as drivers; single core clock speeds etc.; or even windows offloading background processes (eg. antivirus) to a few e-cores.

[@abdulhannan5256]

Ofcourse intel would be more stable They have been stuck on 14nm FOR SO LONG lmao

[@zenithchan1646]

You haven’t tried the am5 platform so

[@heyitsjel]

@@zenithchan1646 no, I have not tried AM5 in everyday use. AM5 could definitely be a game changer for AMD, but in past experience - even for Intel - the first generation on a completely new platform is usually far from perfect with quite a few bugs/issues that are sorted in following generations. That's not to say that ryzen 7000 series is not good, but usually there's a few bugs/quirks/latencies to sort out and that takes some time (a year or two... or basically a generation or two). A good example is comparing Alder Lake to Raptor Lake... there's definitely a few tweaks under the hood that make the user experience slightly better on RPL. Alder Lake are great cpu's - but RPL just improves on it. I'm actually really keen on trying a ryzen 7000 series laptop to be honest - that's where I can see the ultra low power usage of the 7000 series shining... so much power in such a thin and light laptop!

[@subzerosystemx]

for amd u didn't use ryzen master to change the settings to reduce idle Watts, Intel correct me if I am wrong need to go to bios to change it.. when u say your ryzen using that amount of watts during idle I was shaking my head..

[@Z-add]

Intel arc gpu has better h.265 encoder and decoder but you didn't use that. Intel hyper encode technology allows both encoders inside the igpu and arc gpu to work together.

[@pedrosantos3648]

Regarding Reason#4 - Idle power, I was very surprised to hear about that. As I have a 5800X PC and a 5750G PC (both 8 Zen3 cores), I went to fully test idle power on them. And the results are very different between them: The 5800X CPU Package Power is 18W, while with the 5750G is only 3W. These values are the same from HWinfo or from Ryzen Master. I also measured wall power (full system): 5800X + RX6800(GPU) is 50W, while 5750G is 21W. Note both PCs shutdown draw 2W from the wall. To evaluate video decoding of the 5750G, I also measured some video playing with VLC: 5750G Package Power is 9W playing 1080p H264, and is 16W playing 4K AV1. Note I used the same OS drive on both PCs, I used the backup copy of one on the other, so that both had exactly the same SW and configurations. As motherboards are also both Asus B550, it works interchangeably. So I got very disappointed with the 5800X, much inferior to Intel regarding idle power. Thank you for alerting us all on that. However the 5750G (which is very similar to the 5800X, both having 8 Zen3 cores) seems very good on the idle power front, in fact at 3W it seems much better than Intel on that. And it seems AMD does not need E cores to beat Intel on idle power, if not using chiplets. And so I think you are spot on when you say the Ryzen idle power problem may be due to the chiplet design (5750G is monolithic). So I won't buy another chiplet CPU from AMD until this changes. I was aware of the potential issues with mullti-chiplet design, that is why both my CPUs are single chiplet. I thought with all cores on same chiplet I would be safe. But it seems not, there are still penalties to pay. The true seems to be that chiplet design is for manufacturing benefit (smaller chips, higher yelds), not for performance benefit. Although that allowed AMD to have 16 FULL cores many years before Intel. But I care much more about idle power than having more than 8 cores. Again thank you for alerting us to this issue.

[@JohnSmith-pn2vl]

if you are concerned about power consumption both intel and amd are absolutely terrible. apple silicon is lightyears ahead there

[@denvera1g1]

I'm still waiting for TrueNAS Scale to natively support AMD's iGPU in the 7000 series. I bought the 7950X because it is crazy efficient at 70w PPT/TSP, but it looks like if i want to keep an un-modified boot environment, i may need to use a 13900(T if i can find one) The use case for the CPU, (that is being more than just a 2 core that could handle simple file server tasks) is to record live TV and movies, then transcode that RAW over the air data from as high as 80Mbps 1080p in MPEG2, down to varibable bitrate that is appropriate for the color depth, scene detail, and scene motion, often just 12mbps for that same 1080p video now in H265 or AV1, but average is 1/3rd to 1/6th the starting file size as many of these files are older TV shows with shallower color depth and lower resolution. After that is done it needs to process and detect where the intros start and end, and then mark, but not remove commercials. I'd like to eventually get it to be able to detect if the previous show has overrun its time slot due to sports, events, emergencies ect and then time shift accordingly. One of my requirements is that the iGPU be available to transcode that small H265/AV1 to say, MP4 for devices that dont support these newer codecs I'd also like to use the iGPU to run ai image recognition on my ~12TB of photos and videos so i can tag a face, a dog, or search for '96 fleetwood by eureka coachbuilders', though CPU should be fine, it is far less energy efficient, and unlike the oversized files you get from transcoding video on a GPU(to get the same quality), there seems to be no reason not to use GPU for image recognition

[@iggorr25]

Great INFO as always! :) Question, I have the i9 12900K, currently 32GB or RAM, 2 DDR5 sticks, was thinking of upgrading to MAX out my MB to 128GB DDR5, also using XMP... would I be ok doing this with my CPU? MB is AUS Prime Z690-A, RAM is Kingston Fury...

[@mindseyeproductions8798]

Is running more than 8 cores really worth it?

[@vMaxHeadroom]

Wentfor the 13700K and it is immense! And from a effeciency perspective which always seems to be brought up, again it is fantastic.

[@GamingOldDude]

Hello Tech Notice, I have seen on several websites that the Gigabyte Z790 AERO G DDR5 motherboard is for sale at an attractive price. Is it possible that you can make a video about this creator motherboard compared to the ASUS ProArt Z790-CREATOR WIFI motherboard?

[@nadtz]

Just to throw my hat in I got the Aero G over the ProArt since I use sfp+ for 10gb (and don't particularly like Marvell/Aquantia) and didn't need thunderbolt. Initially I had 4x16gb memory but this caused some issues (chipset related and common) so I ended up going 2x32 and that sorted things. With a bit of tweaking for the 13700k on air (slight undervolt) I've been extremely happy with this setup. I haven't used the more exotic connectivity features but the high speed USB has worked as expected and I'm using gen 4 SSD's not the gen 5 so not dropping the x16 slot to x8. My biggest complaint is with the chipset as I only have 1 x4 slot available but that really isn't the motherboard's fault per se. There aren't many creator focused reviews of the z790 Aero board sadly but if you don't need the included 10gb and thunderbolt it compares well to the ProArt.

[@spartafxrs5]

would love to see a tour of your personal rig!

[@theTechNotice]

Check out the video I uploaded but to long ago..

[@nemanjagavrilovic8812]

What do you suggest for unreal engine 5? What cpu is better for that software particualry? Intel or AMD? Thanks again in advance!

[@Sonic_1000]

I'm still on a 5900x @ 95watts and a 3070FE and it's been solid.

[@SlowHardware]

W790 + 28 core sapphire rapids would be cool I think, with an overclock

[@BrainHurricanes]

I'd love to know if the idle 10W for intel also works with win10, or do you really need win11 to take advantage of the low idle power consumption ? Thank you for all testing you do for us, so we can make a well informed purchase. You made me change my mind about going ryzen, cause my PC idles a lot. Even now with my i7 6700K I sit around 45W idle, but on win10(no bloat), hence my question. Edit: 45W measured was from the wall bc I only have a wallplug wattmeter.

[@boedilllard5952]

Cores are nice but I'd love a LOT more PCIe lanes on a standard gaming processor/motherboard.

[@deilusi]

That's the most reasonable take on it. CHECK BEFORE YOU BUY. my worklods are faster on intel, BUT amd while its 90-95% of intel on chips that I checked, was using a literal third of power. (67-75W vs oscillating 130-170W I picked AMD for that reason, as I get just a touch slower, fans don't ramp anymore while I work, and believe me, hearing those fans for 2h per day, I feel much better siting 7-8h in front of that machine daily. might not be a thing for you, if you can shove that box 5m away, or whatever length cables you can get, for me that was huge difference. same like m1 made vs intel macs. ps. yes I tried to limit intel a bit, but performance tanks way bellow amd, so I gave up.

[@nicholasmrobinson]

I won't go back to Intel unless we get another step change like Core2Duo. Intel let the CPU market stagnate until AMD came out with Zen and I will not forgive Intel for that. If it weren't for AMD the consumer desktop would still be stuck on 8 cores.

[@jdmills123456789]

There are still a LOT of reasons to run the 13900k over any AMD product. People drool all over AMD whenever they approach parity with Intel. But between multithreaded performance, software integration and memory handling alone, Intel makes more sense.

[@DarkOmenX]

In my experinece Intel is far more stable and compatible with Win then Ryzen after 2 generations 3950X and 5950X I finally dropped the AMD and switched to Intel I 9 13900KF and immediately I noticed the Intel system is far more stable I would say ROCK SOLID, all my motherboards where top of the line msi MEG X570 ACE, msi MEG X570S ACE MAX and now msi MEG Z790 ACE. I have no explanation for why the AMD systems where more unstable, plagued with all sort of "mystery" problems appearing/disappearing, strange incompatibility with Creative Labs cards, connecting disconnecting USB devices out of the blue during the whole duration of my time with AMD, finally I had enough and switched to INTEL and I really see the difference. Performance wise I can’t complain against AMD when it performed well the performance where there specially as I always had top of the line GPUs 2080 TI , 3080, 3090 and now 4090 however for reasons unknown sometimes the performance would suddenly drop having me banging my head about the reason behind the degradation . I also noticed I don’t reinstall / install Windows so often on Intel as I did on AMD because once this sort of performance degradation appeared and don’t know what else to do let’s reinstall Win. In other hand the windows I installed after the complete switch to Intel are still the same and that’s almost a year now. After this experience I’m not sure I’m going to switch back to AMD anytime soon

[@Kalyptic]

Hey how come you switched from the Kingston Fury Beast Ram?

[@paintitblack4199]

Finally someone says what I've noticed about Ryzen CPU stability. I've had nothing but issues with Ryzen and am going back to using Intel here soon because I've never had stability issues with Intel.

[@theTechNotice]

🤔

[@prosecanlik4296]

Having right now Ryzen 5 5600G. For more than 3 months since I've built it, I've never had any single issue with it, I also undervolted it to reduce temperature. For me, it does a pretty good job

[@Moon-ty2hn]

@@prosecanlik4296 yeah, been on amd since 2017 and i haven't had a single issue with stability

[@_nom_]

​@@prosecanlik4296It's incredibly low end though

[@arinastudioz3958]

So excited to build my 1st PC... after watching a series of videos from this channel.. Am kindly requesting if it's okay to mention in my 1st review video on my KZbin channel

[@aaldrich1982]

I've built a number of AM4 gaming PCs over the last 4 years. Up to Zen3 it was a great option for pricing. Now that Intel and AMD are priced kinda the same, I'm going to do Intel for my next build because it's nice to try other things. I don't mind if a chip runs hot - I don't have to turn on the heating in Winter.

[@callofdutyfreak10123]

With price parity, Intel is superior because 1) they own the ISA, 2) their QC for things like USB busses and Memory Controller speeds is far superior to AMD, 3) the platform cost because DDR4

[@Hardcore_Remixer]

​@@callofdutyfreak10123 DDR4 holds back a lot of the performance of Intel 13th gen CPUs.

[@MatrixJockey]

@@callofdutyfreak10123 that's dumb LMAO...Literally AMD and INTEL share the ISA for x86. INTEL's platform is a dead platform because of DDR4

[@callofdutyfreak10123]

@@MatrixJockey plz lmk who invented the x86 Instruction Set Architecture. AMD invented the 64 bit extension, but intel is the one that introduces new instructions much more regularly

[@SakuraRyokoMusic]

Awesome. In fact, I have went with the 13900K myself for many of the exact same reasons, and I couldn't be happier with it. This thing RIPS through Export functions in my DAW (Primary use case) and Video editors in no time. Also, not trying to be that person, but I think my RAM kit is faster than you've mentioned. I got the 64GB kit @ DDR5 6400 from G.SKILL, obviously running in XMP.

[@Jay-zd9kx]

I wanted the 7950x because the 13900k 300w is hard to cool

[@HDRPC]

Undervolt it.

[@tilapiadave3234]

So you are INCAPABLE of low volting ,,, hope one day you can learn the basics

[@technicalcreed7291]

What would be the best choice for 3d model creation or game development between 7950x/13900k ?

[@getaway260]

intel. no issues with any programs on any intel cpu. The performance is always at 100% and stable.

[@vasiovasio]

What is this lantern on your desk? Is this real fire or some sort of RGB light?

[@andrewbordbar3440]

I have 12900kf, and AMD 7950X both. The reason that I chose AmD and did not update my intel to 13900k that was because AMd has a better socket support. INTEL normally does not support more than 2 years per socket as opposed to AMD that supports up to 5 years.

[@MAREKPOW]

What is the point of putting brand new cpu with new set of features on obsolete 5 year motherboard that doesn't support them at all?

[@andrewbordbar3440]

@Mario N that was a misinterpretation, I bought a PC with Asus prime-a z690 ,socket 1700 that supported Intel, thus I purchased 12900kf for that, later in 2022 I wanted to upgrade my Pc, so instead of putting a 13900k in it , I assembled a new pc with Asus Rog strix x670e-e mobo, socket Am5 . Amd will support it till 2026 and onwards

[@tilapiadave3234]

Lies , total BULL DROPPINGS . Intel is rumoured to be releasing 14th Gen on lga 1700 and what was it AMD "promised" ,,, support to 2025 THAT is only 20 months away ,,, how many RELEASES up to now? ONE. , so reality NOT your fantasy , is perhaps 3 releases

[@filthyrando3632]

Finally built my dream rig and went with the Asus pro art z790 i913900k and MSI Suprim 4090. Thing is an absolute monster in DaVinci. No regrets.

[@HDRPC]

Insane

[@HDRPC]

Ram?

[@HDRPC]

Lot of congratulations

[@filthyrando3632]

@@HDRPC Vengeance ddr5 64 Edit: will be upgrading that to 128 asap

[@filthyrando3632]

@@HDRPC mid life crisis build. Beats the heck out of a sports car and a bimbo 😁

[@yoanfilipov3747]

Looking forward to upgrading from a 2600, what are your thoughts? Moving to a 5900x will cost me about 200 eur. Moving to a 13600k will cost me about 500 eur and to a 13700k about 600 eur. Will be using it for 60% editing/CAD and 40% gaming/VR. Which ONE??

[@theTechNotice]

5900x if you don't need Intel quicksync

[@yoanfilipov3747]

@@theTechNotice Thanks! Do you think the price difference in favour of the 5900x outweighs the lack of Quicksync for medium amounts of video editing (say half the utilisation of the PC)?

[@simonemastellonephotography]

Did you try the 7950x3d , i am puchase a new build but i am in doubt if i should go for 13900k or 7950xrd, i have you same usage specially for photo editing and same gaming, home you can answere to this question.

[@danielabbott9312]

If you are a creator I highly recommend corsairs new ddr5 24 GB dimms and 48gb dimms but also they have new 4x16gb sets at 6600mhz I just bought a 4x16gb at 6600mhz and they are awesome the 2x24gb I think you can get all the way up to 7000mhz but the 2x48gb only go to 5600 and the 4x48gb only go to 5200mhz also that's xmp enabled and stable with 4 dimms on the 4x16gb 6600mhz set I got

[@spartafxrs5]

i've had bad experiences with amd before their ryzen line (laptops, and desktops), and i almost gave them another chance, until i heard a lot of people complaining about performance issues after years of use.

[@ChatGTA345]

Very good points here! One thing to note though re codec support, Zen 4 supports AV1 but 13th gen doesn’t. That said, AV1 is probably not prevalent enough yet to make that a disadvantage for 13th gen.

[@andrei007ps]

And also AV1 is supported on RTX 4000 and RX 7000 GPUs, and so the CPU won't really make a difference in that

[@ChatGTA345]

@@andrei007ps Hmm good point! Didn't know

[@HDRPC]

Bro zen 4 7950x don't support av1. Intel 11, 12 and 13 gen support av1 decode only. Meteorlake is coming later this year with av1 encode also.

[@ChatGTA345]

@@HDRPC Sorry, I should've been more specific: " The iGPU supports AV1 and VP9 decode, H.264 and HVEC encode and decode". So yeah for encode we need to use a dedicated GPU on both platforms atm.

[@ChatGTA345]

@@HDRPC It's weird because I could swear I watched a review where they claimed AV1 encode is also supported, but now I can't find it. Perhaps the reviewer was wrong about that, but they were sure this is a pro over raptor lake.

[@UTFapollomarine7409]

been on the 3900x for 6 months now i would not mind having a 3950x or a 5950x but i plan on staying on AM4 for a really long time.

[@CarlosDeBernardMrAgapi]

Install the contact plate for the cpu so replace the ILM. For rhe part of uograde we are ok until 2024 for now. The rest you will have more info

[@evtimgaydarov2267]

Thats not the case about the power consumption. A month ago on Techtesters chanel they explained that some motherboards pull more power on idle.