From Twisted Teen to Murderer | The Disturbing Case of Ethan Crumbley

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@CoffeehouseCrime 11 ай бұрын

Thank you for watching folks, and thank you so much for the kind words in Monday's video for Classified Coffee!! I'm so fortunate to be part of this incredible community ♥If you want to try out my very own coffee, please visit bit.ly/3PrY9CS

@CraftyVegan 11 ай бұрын

Not the point of the video of course, but Detroit isn’t the capital city of Michigan. Lansing is. Easy mistake to make though since Lansing is pretty unassuming.

@sharbear4248 11 ай бұрын

Congrats on your new venture! Can’t wait to try your coffee! I’ll definitely be a regular customer! 🤍

@brenden666 11 ай бұрын

Would love to try the coffee but the postage is almost twice the price of the coffee

@michaelschafer46 11 ай бұрын

Im not a coffee lover like you but i love a hood cup of coffee but broke. Homeless but if you ever need somebody to pass the word send me and if good i know a lot of people who be happy to buy

@Laceycrochet 11 ай бұрын

Hi Adrian, I’m so chuffed that for once I don’t have to pay crazy shipping to buy your coffee! I’m only up Norf in Yorkshire 😂👍💜

@TheCameraCat 11 ай бұрын

"I'm sorry you didn't' want to be parents. That you didn't want to take care of your child. As a result, you took mine away from me." That's so powerful. It's also frightening.

@DeadpoolX9 11 ай бұрын

its true tho buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut I also find that people in general are either bad at or unable to deal with people in troubled situations. I have no doubt a healthy peer group can counterbalance parental neglect. Unfortunately it was not there either.

@lindasentek9795 11 ай бұрын

Parents r more responsible for this horrendous crime than the kid!

@saga2964 11 ай бұрын

This is why Choice has to remain available. Parenthood is just too important to be forced upon someone. Yes, some people still won't make the right choice (like these parents), but far more will!

@chinbosschinboss2484 11 ай бұрын

@@lindasentek9795they gave him a gun that's actually unreal

@KitKatB83 10 ай бұрын

Absolutely gut wrenching

@supastar25 11 ай бұрын

I'm so glad the parents are facing charges...they literally enabled him every step of the way to committing these crimes

@hayfaa.8955 11 ай бұрын

I feel terrible for this boy. His parents are the reason for his skewed development. My heart breaks for him and the children his killed

@ChairmanTrump 11 ай бұрын

Absolutely. It’s one step closer to making guns illegal. 40,000 deaths per year by guns alone is insane.

@myguyyy 11 ай бұрын

@@zdiddy-dw9vg This may come as a shock to you, but providing the circumstances to commit murder is still a crime. Idk where you live, but most US states have laws that have determined that you do not have to be the one holding the weapon to be found responsible for murder. Rightfully so.

@bilonic111 11 ай бұрын

His parents completely neglected him, if they had actually been caring and attentive caring parents this could have been prevented. I’m not saying he absolutely would have been well adjusted, I can’t say that at all cause I don’t know, but in the very least something could have been done to help him if only his parents cared enough about him. They were terrible individuals who should have never been allowed to be parents.

@denisem270 11 ай бұрын

Agreed 💯

@zslis4348 11 ай бұрын

I blame the parents as much as I do the shooter, he had been crying out for help for a long time. It’s apparent they just didn’t care.

@itstysonpham 11 ай бұрын

He could have k*ll himself instead of taking the lives of 4 other people

@Oldsmobile69 11 ай бұрын

I hope he can get proper mental health care in prison, but I'm skeptical.

@VioletJoy 11 ай бұрын

I just can't imagine being so negligent and selfish as a parent. He didn't have much of a chance.

@zacharyhefner2208 11 ай бұрын

@@VioletJoy I almost have to think his parents wanted him to become a psychotic mass murder I mean his Mother buying him a gun being aware of this dark thoughts and mental health issues..then her response to him getting caught in class looking up ammo and showing other disturbing behavior was to "not get caught next time?!?' I mean what sane person let alone parent would do that?

@zacharyhefner2208 11 ай бұрын

I mean in cases of these types of murderers it's common to say that the parents are also to blame and should be held accountable . But this is a case where I 100% agree with that statement

@stcr1980 7 ай бұрын

Update - As of yesterday, his Mother has been found guilty of 4 cases of involuntary manslaughter and faces us to 15 years in prison for each charge. The hearing is set for 9th April. The father faces a seperate trial and has pleaded not guilty. Great video as usual Adrian. Please keep them coming.

@ThatRedhedd 7 ай бұрын

I thought our justice system and the law was supposed to be objective, not subjective. I thought lady law was blindfolded so the law would be applied in an unbiased manner. I thought laws were to be written in a way that makes it clear whether they were violated or not. I thought this was purported to be a black or white issue with no grey areas. Everyone who said "not guilty" said the State didn't prove their case (with proof, or evidence). Everyone who said "guilty" started their responses with "I think she should've..." Nevermind that the law allowed them to not lock up the 🔫...."I think she should have locked the 🔫 where he couldn't get it." Nevermind that he seemed like a normal kid with no disciplinary issues, "I think she should've spent more time with him." Nevermind that the school didn't send him home & gave her 48 hours to find a therapist. "I think she should've taken him home immediately after seeing that drawing." So, now it's cool to apply the law based on what you think? Based on your opinion? Based on your feelings? Not based on what the law says & what proof of your guilt was presented in the hearing? WTF?!

@smudgeeee6259 7 ай бұрын

yup, it's an insane lefty/woke world we live in now. Facts don't care about your feelings unless run by the government of division. @@ThatRedhedd

@crocodillyglasses1354 7 ай бұрын

@@ThatRedheddStay in school kid. Those who talk up the importance of objective truth are the ones who balk at science and facts, themselves. His parents were criminals, even speaking to their son in a way so as to give him tips on how to avoid the law. You're just one dude on the internet, not in a courtroom, and lacking in the full breadth of context. There's no need to get bent out of shape because his mom got charged -- it only makes it sound like you're insecure about your own beliefs and practices.

@alias-majik 7 ай бұрын

@@ThatRedheddThe parents demonstrated criminal negligence and ignored all of the signs that their child was becoming increasingly violent and a threat to both himself and others. They facilitated the commission of the crime by providing the weapon that he used to commit it. That they texted him the day of the shooting "not to do it" means they knew he was capable of it and did nothing to stop him. The truth is that it is entirely legal to hold parents criminally responsible for the crimes their children commit if the parents could have reasonably prevented the crime from occurring. If you don't want that kind of responsibility, then don't have kids.

@cheesecake4648 6 ай бұрын

i though you are a troll@@ThatRedhedd

@danceswithcats97 11 ай бұрын

I feel that the stuff he scribbled on his class work was his last cry for help or him giving a warning signal. The teacher saw it and brought it to the parents attention and they ignored it. This case was disturbing! I’m so disgusted by these parents.

@LKre-vi5oq 11 ай бұрын

I believe she first pointed it out to the school authorities and they ignored it too. It's sort of crazy.

@johan13135 10 ай бұрын

When people say US has a mental health crisis, this is one of the stuff they mean. In any other functional societies, he would´ve been sent to a psychiatric ward and get proper treatment. But those who can change don´t care, so the others have to suffer the consequences

@crazy_tee 10 ай бұрын

It was in fact that school Councilor who made the decision to keep Ethan at school that day... so much info in this pod cast that is either skewed or wrong or just left out. The gun was not bought for his Birthday... it was an early Christmas present and the gun was not just given to Ethan... it was kept in the Parents bedroom... guns were not a new thing in Ethans life and the Parents had bought a .22 handgun for Ethans use at the range...but Ethan wanted the Sig... so much more to the whole story of this family and Ethans mental health...

@maryowens8763 10 ай бұрын

You can’t just blame his parents, this boy knew he wasn’t going to get help from his parents, he had tried many times and got no were. So he tried with his teachers at school. He drew those drawing in order to get help, but again, he was let down by the school that knew what he was doing and did nothing. They also need to be punished.

@aazhie 10 ай бұрын

@@maryowens8763Healthcare and teachers are supposed to report suspected abuse. Neglect is an abuse that many people seem to overlook, it doesn't leave visible marks on most kids but certainly harms children. The parents are supposed to be the primary defense for their kids. It's really sad to see them fail him, and anyone else that might have sounded an alarm either did not, or was not listened to.

@MainCharactersonly 7 ай бұрын

Ethan telling his parents that there is a monster that destroys the house and only is there when he is alone absolutely broke my heart. 😢 He wanted his parents to care so badly…

@hera_avria9265 5 ай бұрын

My heart breaks more for the 4 victims than him.. fk that guy

@semi-trad-kind-of-wife 11 ай бұрын

These cases make me so angry. His parents knew. They knew he was unstable and did nothing. They did nothing his whole damn life, and as a result, many young lives were cut horrifically short.

@MeduseldRabbit 11 ай бұрын

The thing is, they did do ONE thing, and made everything worse. They put a weapon in his hands.

@VioletJoy 11 ай бұрын

@@MeduseldRabbitExactly.

@VioletJoy 11 ай бұрын

It was totally avoidable.

@nickimartins2699 11 ай бұрын

In order to do something they would have to care… And very clearly they did not!

@jenniferhill9924 11 ай бұрын

Not to mention they were planning running, leaving him to twist in the wind with a public defender because they emptied all their bank accounts, including his.

@Doors067 5 ай бұрын

I remember a teacher told me this former student left a note about how bad he wanted to kill everyone in school but he killed himself with a note that said "im better then that" my teacher viewed him as a hero

@missinsuccessful 3 ай бұрын

That's extremely chilling, poor child

@thehumanbackpack6374 Ай бұрын

That's like saving a bunch of women from getting 🍇 by using self control lmao

@Dacks-wy5oe 11 ай бұрын

"You have to learn how not to get caught." That is as bad as any parenting can get. Good grief. Is there any wonder we can never rid or reduce the number of young criminals in society?

@liminalcriminal_ 10 ай бұрын

Not all criminals are evil. Evading authoritarianism is justified. Obviously not here

@Dacks-wy5oe 10 ай бұрын

@@liminalcriminal_ How does your statement change the point I made?

@CuteAnimalVideos2580 10 ай бұрын

its almost like she knew what he's planning

@NickolaiPetrovitch 9 ай бұрын

@@Dacks-wy5oeProbably because you call them young criminals without once humanizing them as what they are: children.

@madeleinebelle2105 11 ай бұрын

Absolutely tragic that children from loving supportive families were killed by another child who hadn't experienced loving supportive "parents."

@It-is-me...Melsie 11 ай бұрын

@@zdiddy-dw9vg The majority, but not every one.

@VioletJoy 11 ай бұрын

@@It-is-me...MelsieI'm pretty sure it's every one of them.

@mmps18 11 ай бұрын

@@VioletJoy one of the Columbine shooters (Dylan) supposedly came from a very loving home but was a follower and got mixed up with a bad person (the other shooter Eric).

@CrimeAllTheTime 11 ай бұрын

@@zdiddy-dw9vgwhy? Because they are right?

@ashleighmackenzie8670 11 ай бұрын

Millions of kids haven’t experienced living parents all over the world. Doesn’t mean they murder innocent people because of it. His parents were trash. But this can’t be an excuse or even reason to MURDER people ffs!! Listen to yourselves.

@Christine005 11 ай бұрын

It doesn't surprise me that his parents attempted to run away from their responsibilities. They've been doing it since the birth of their son. I feel for the boy, but actions have consequences and he is where he should be.

@janetcw9808 11 ай бұрын

Quite Right, Greetings from SW Scotland.

@JR-lw3ms 11 ай бұрын

You feel for "the boy"? WTF!

@rebeccaanne9863 11 ай бұрын

Exactly. The whole thing feels like a morbid and disgusting plot to get mental help. As if he felt that the only way he could be allowed to see a psychiatrist would be if he got into the prison system as a violent crimes offender.

@marianac715 11 ай бұрын

There are so many childless couples who would have been thrilled to have adopted him at birth if these parents didn't want a child.

@roxyroxelle 10 ай бұрын

@@JR-lw3ms at 15 he's still a boy, not a man.

@enessajoy763 11 ай бұрын

Hearing the audio of him describing what he’s going to do in such detail, shows one of the main reasons he did this.. for attention. Not only did he want to hurt and destroy, he wanted grave attention from the world (what he couldn’t get from his parents)

@fangirl3086 11 ай бұрын

And he got what he wanted

@Jaden-eh6rh 6 ай бұрын

Yes but he doesn't deserve this negative attention everyone deserves mercy no matter what they did @@fangirl3086

@cheesecake4648 6 ай бұрын

many maaaany children are neglected in even worst, but he was the one who chose to hurt others, including animals. i think schools should have more power to go over the parents and collaborate with psychologists, social services, police, etc. We know at least half of the people who are reproducing themselves are not fit to be parents.

@MisterPuggles 6 ай бұрын

I was neglected in some ways at his age by one parent, but not to that extent. It still did damage. Our parents and the way they treat us REALLY impact us down the road, sometimes quicker than we may think. I am not condoning what he did and he should be put in prison and rehabilitated, but I can't truthfully say I don't understand why he did it.

@Jaden-eh6rh 6 ай бұрын

@@MisterPuggles yes I know what he did was wrong in every way but he wasn't born evil that's for sure he could be working at NASA designing a new rover or something if his life had a different path

@nomejodan4232 11 ай бұрын

As a mom, it saddened me when he texted "Can you at least text back?" That kid never had a chance. He practically raised and fended for himself. Mentally he was f'd by age 9

@CountessKO 11 ай бұрын

Made me want to cry.

@TomikaKelly 11 ай бұрын

Lots of people have absentee parents. He knew right from wrong yet still chose to do wrong.

@mekabare 11 ай бұрын

@@TomikaKellyAnd yet not every child of absentee parents is the same with the same starting conditions.

@DarthLesbian 11 ай бұрын

@@TomikaKellySure, but buying him a gun was definitely a big wrong move.

@yulebones 11 ай бұрын

@@TomikaKelly He was in severe need of help. I had terribly abusive, absentee parents and grew up a pacifist who despises guns, but I still understand that not every child is the same.

@anneliese4666 11 ай бұрын

That boy was crying out for help and the parents ignored him. This is a terrible tragedy that could have been prevented had the parents cared at all.

@simonf8902 10 ай бұрын

However the majority of children in a similar situation do not become murderers. Ethan is a junior psychopath. And torturing animals is a massive warning. But the USA is home to psychopaths of course.

@AubreyShelton-rr7yy 10 ай бұрын

I agree.. 💯. Leaving him at home w no phone w no way of calling anymore in case of an emergency.GREAT PARENTING

@elongated2761 10 ай бұрын

Thier ignorace and lack of parenting pissed me off so much in this particular case which is sad that there is many to begin with.. They ignored so many signs that they personal witnessed and others have pointed out. Then somehow decided it was a good idea to buy him a gun that would be easily assessable to him even though he clearly has mental heath problems. And that the fact they ran away when their child was in custody even to ask him why because they were scared about their own lives. What did they expect the outcome of their child to be when the people rasing him that are supposed to care about him the most don't even show him how love feels.

@silentbliss7666 10 ай бұрын

@@AubreyShelton-rr7yyI grew up this way but yet I didn't turned out to be a murderous good-for-nothing. Ethan is pure evil, he said it himself that he likes violence and enjoy torturing animals since young

@ThatRedhedd 7 ай бұрын

There's no proof the parents knew he wanted help. No proof he told them. No proof anyone at school informed the parents of any concerns prior to the day of the tragedy. On that day, BOTH parents went to the school to meet w/ their son & school staff. The school psychologist gave them a list of MH providers & 48 hours to make an appointment - which they agreed to do. School staff allowed EC to stay @ school & didn't check his bag, and knew of his drawings, knew he'd been looking up ammo during class, & knew he'd been to the range 2 days prior. If school staff felt EC could remain @school that day, it's obvious that his parents would see nothing wrong with it either.

@jaredbladzik8361 11 ай бұрын

The parents deserve a SEVERE sentence!! Their negligence allowed this tragedy to occur! Prayers and blessings to victims families

@jancukasu 11 ай бұрын

capital punishment, nonetheless.

@italianmama373 11 ай бұрын

Agreed! I hope other parents take notice and don’t neglect their children thereby enabling this behaviour.

@angelaberni8873 11 ай бұрын

@@italianmama373Sono pienamente d'accordo.

@enessajoy763 11 ай бұрын

It’s like they wanted him to do it

@ThatRedhedd 7 ай бұрын

@kiminthekitchen 10 ай бұрын

When he was arrested, his parents went on the run??!! Leaving their kid to again fend for himself. This proves not everyone should have kids!!

@ZenitsusDad 11 ай бұрын

My fiancée’s current therapist was one of the trauma therapists that was called in to help survivors debrief. I am so, so, so pleased that the parents are being held legally responsible for this tragedy.

@ArkhamMonster 11 ай бұрын

Yet you don't know the capital of your own state? He says detroit is the capital. How dense are you?

@HanzoMishima 11 ай бұрын

@@ArkhamMonsterWhat are you talking about? Are you responding to the right post?

@ArkhamMonster 11 ай бұрын

@HanzoMishima yeah dip shit I am. She wants to clout chase and comment on here on how he/she was connected to the crime. Yet she was too uneducated to notice he said the capital of her homestate is Detroit when, in fact, it's Lansing. He Literally starts the video off giving us wrong info. She didn't catch it cause she was too concerned about clout chasing.

@hadrian2505 11 ай бұрын

Silly little americans and their therapists lol......."oooo im so depressed i need someone to give my money to in exchange for an advice" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@sarahalbers5555 11 ай бұрын

Appropriate punishment.

@north_star_yt 11 ай бұрын

The fact that these parents were aware of their son’s deteriorating mental health and yet still bought him a gun is shocking. It was obvious they didn’t want anything to do with Ethan….it makes me almost wonder if they suspected he would shoot himself home alone one day and they would be rid of him. 😢 I absolutely blame the parents.

@quinnmiller9718 11 ай бұрын

It’s been said that there was no love show to him at all. And when he complained about hearing voices he was told to toughen up. The phone recording had me almost in tears. I am just glad he got as smart enough to plead guilty because there’s no way the insanity plea would have worked given that phone recording and insanity pleas are rarely successful too began with.

@crazy4felines4ever 11 ай бұрын

I agree with you. Plus if they didn't want a child they should have put him in a foster home or give him up for adoption. It's disgusting how they completely ignored him and left him home alone starting at 10yrs old to fend for himself

@mglez2517 11 ай бұрын

He asked for HELP over and over and no one did anything!

@jeffreyparent1795 11 ай бұрын

Even with perfect mental health, who the heck buys a 15yo a gun

@quinnmiller9718 11 ай бұрын

@@jeffreyparent1795 Red necks. In all seriousness it’s very common where I live for teenagers to have guns but they’re mostly hunting rifles which have to be registered with game, fish and wild life. You also have to take a class and get a license that needs to be renewed every hunting season I believe.

@paulinamorales8854 11 ай бұрын

I loved how you mentioned each and every victim and how beautifully they’re remembered. My heart aches for these children. 💔

@sharkpuppetconnorgaming 11 ай бұрын

His parents are indeed a huge contributing factor in why this happened. I actually feel sorry for their son, even though he obviously had the mental factulties to carry this out. The whole thing is just sad. Seeing the faces of the absolutely beautiful children he took from their parents broke my heart...it just broke my heart.

@LindysEpiphany 11 ай бұрын

Its criminal how his parents blatantly ignored so many red flags! It sounds like Ethan may have been open to help. If either of his parents actually gave a crap, this tragedy may have never happened!

@Fogysoks4709 11 ай бұрын

Most kids want help but when their parents don't care.....they feel abandoned

@LifesPeachy321 11 ай бұрын

"His parents raised a MONSTER!" More like *_MONSTERS raised a bigger MONSTER!_*

@pureone8350 11 ай бұрын

He _was_ open to help, he stated it several times in his journal and text messages to his parents but they ignored ALL of it!

@ThatRedhedd 7 ай бұрын

@LionsTime247 11 ай бұрын

I'm a Michigan native and live just outside of Oxford. This story really hit close to my gf, who is a teacher in Detroit. Following this incident, she was scared to go to work the next day. We've been following this case closely. Breaks my heart in many ways. My heart aches for the victims. But... my heart also hurts knowing Ethan's upbringing. He didn't deserve that. And his parents... shame on them for how they raised him.

@witchwoman2515 11 ай бұрын

Michigander here. Thank you so much for giving a great explanation on this tragedy. How terrible this case is. I am so glad that his parents are going to pay for not helping their child. Congrats on your new coffee.

@leigha2814 11 ай бұрын

They didn't just not help him, they actively harmed him and provided him with weapons. Evil people.

@jenniferblanco4255 11 ай бұрын

I'm also from Michigan. When this happened, I was shocked. Thank you for explaining the case.

@CoffeehouseCrime 11 ай бұрын

Thank you so much!

@gijane2cantwaittoseeyou203 11 ай бұрын

Making them pay will not bring the dead back and most parents will keep sucking.

@ThatRedhedd 7 ай бұрын

Nobody thought the kid was mentally ill. There were no signs prior to that day that people were aware of. The 1st time the school asked the parents to discuss concerns, BOTH parents went to meet w/ their son & school staff. The school psychologist gave them a list of MH providers & 48 hours to make an appointment - which they agreed to do. Staff allowed EC to stay @ school & didn't check his bag, knew of his drawings, knew he'd been looking up ammo during class, & knew he went to the range 2 days prior. If school staff felt EC could remain @school that day, obviously his parents would see nothing wrong with it either.

@FinkDaMushyCat 11 ай бұрын

He cried out for help, but his parents ignored him. Imagine if they listened to him for once in his life. They could of saved each and everyone of those students and teachers.

@BoO_Gimmi 10 ай бұрын

Yes, they could have.

@amberv6105 7 ай бұрын

And he himself could’ve been saved. This is so sad.

@ThatRedhedd 7 ай бұрын

@soioioioioioio34 Ай бұрын

Yeah it's bad

@groofay 11 ай бұрын

Ethan was right about one thing, he did not get the help he desperately needed until it was far too late. His parents are directly complicit in his crimes, so it's good to see they're being held responsible.

@gijane2cantwaittoseeyou203 11 ай бұрын

They didnt do anything wrong legally speaking. A good lawyer would get them out of this.

@dolliedearestt 11 ай бұрын

@gijane2cantwaittoseeyou203 They did plenty wrong. Legally, they neglected their child and his mental health to the point where that child committed a crime. They even encouraged him to "not get caught," when looking up worrying things online. There is a very valid case against them here, and a good lawyer WILL get them to see jail time.

@ThatRedhedd 7 ай бұрын

@@dolliedearestt ▪︎ If we're now "guilty by association," we're all going to be locked up in no time for _other people's crimes!_ ▪︎ The fair thing to do is add the appropriate charges to the penal code & charge ppl w/ what they _actually did,_ rather than with crimes they didn't commit, "but knew of or should've known of." ▪︎ Jennifer Crumbley was responsible for aspects of her child's behavior & was negligent in this case. She didn't take anyone's life, however. ▪︎ Parents of school sh00ters are typically charged _appropriately,_ with things such as neglect of a child, improper storage of a firearm, or criminal negligence. What the prosecutor charged here will open the floodgates for all kinds of charges to be filed against parents for their children's actions, or anyone DAs decide _should've_ known of a crime & stopped it before it occurred.

@TheMegantheGreat 11 ай бұрын

So glad his parents are being prosecuted as well. They failed him and all of his victims.

@hollybelt4701 11 ай бұрын

Agree. I know people are saying that this case is a slippery slope, but his parents didn’t even try to do anything to help their son. Other parents of disturbed children like this have tried to help their kids.

@ThatRedhedd 7 ай бұрын

@irreplaceablegroguonlysawm3807 2 ай бұрын

Blah blah blah he's a killer either way try n stick to facts without blaming parents teachers ec... Unless u relate

@skylarmae02 11 ай бұрын

thank you for covering this, Adrian. as a Michigander, I still feel the Oxford shooting heavily; I know somebody personally affected and I live over 2 hours away. less than a year later, a shooting at Michigan State University shook our state again and left some students with trauma from surviving two shootings within less than 12 months. I hope every person who was negligent in this case never feels peace. his parents even tried to evade police in a hotel room ffs.

@alexmajax 11 ай бұрын

Michigander? I always said Michiginer and nobody ever corrected me.

@paulamcdonald6568 11 ай бұрын

@@alexmajaxoriginally it was Michiganian. Then another state’s representative called us Michigander as an insult. We pulled a typical Michigan thing by adopting it and laughing it off. So either is accepted.

@alexmajax 11 ай бұрын

@@paulamcdonald6568 I like that, like Punk rock, you wear the insult and turn it around.

@topspot4834 11 ай бұрын

I feel you, and it's definitely different when it hits close to home. I live 10 minutes from Sandy Hook in CT, the community still hasn't recovered.

@momstachio 11 ай бұрын

I feel the same way. I remember being in class on the day it happened, and constantly refreshing news feeds for updates. I remember that the next day when we went back to school, the halls were empty because so many people skipped out of fear. My highschool was never known as a really safe place (In fact a common phrase was "Only at Anchor Bay" among students), but the shooting truly worsened it. It didn't help that everyone knew someone who knew someone who was at Oxford when it happened. I still remember hearing abt how someone's best friend had died, and how they didn't know what to do with themselves anymore. After everyone had to start coming back, I remember that even the teachers were all shaken up. I remember my graphic arts teacher tearfully pleading with us to be wary of what we say and how we treat others, because she couldn't stand the thought of a single student being hurt. I remember she went over an escape plan with us where we could go out the back doors and down the street and hide at one of her friend's houses, and the fact that she had to make that plan in the first place makes me so upset. There were so many students who struggled to go back to school. So many kids were scared and anxious and had panic attacks, me included. I remember that I started carrying around a blanket, weighted plushie, and fidget toys for anyone who needed it. It doesn't seem like much, but you would not believe the amount of comfort those items could bring. This was the first school shooting that had really hit close to home for any of us, and it just turned everything upside down. And this is what happened to a school that wasn't even related to Oxford. I feel so terrible for those students every day, and I really hope that they all have had therapy to deal with the trauma. I hope our state never has to deal with something like this again, and same goes for the rest of the country. You never know how terrible a tragedy like this is until it happens next door to you.

@barbarakiser5622 10 ай бұрын

Im not sure I put as much importance on some of the issues he had growing up. I moved every three years my entire life and I was an only child that was ignored by my parents. I have no desire to hurt anyone.

@dreaminginjapan 11 ай бұрын

I honestly wanna see more parents being held accountable for things like this. Too many parents buy kids guns (or buy themselves a gun) and then are shocked when the kid intentionally or accidentally shoots someone. It's negligent and exhausting to see.

@lisadolan689 11 ай бұрын

This is why the US barely qualifies as a tourist destination. I know it’s way down on my list of places to visit. I’m scared because of things like this case. I can’t get my head around parents giving children guns. And I can’t fathom going to to a super market knowing that customers are carrying guns. Seriously. The US is so messed up. I feel sorry for the good citizens. 😔

@dreaminginjapan 11 ай бұрын

@@lisadolan689 same! I moved away from the US six years ago and I have no desire to go back. Just going to the supermarket was stressful, planning where to park my car, how to navigate unwanted men's advances and HOPING they don't have a gun. It was mentally draining. But now that I'm in Japan it's like a breath of fresh air. I'm a totally different person now.

@Butterandbacon 11 ай бұрын

@@lisadolan689 agree. It’s so messed up.

@Hiphop618 11 ай бұрын

@@dreaminginjapan You sound absolutely mental. Amazing how millions of Americans go to the grocery store everyday and don't end up full of bullets. Most gun crimes in America happen in the inner cities among gangs.

@fukcensorship9395 11 ай бұрын

blame people not guns do you know in states that allow guns have lower crime rates go to Tx and brake in someone house you get shot less home brake in here than Cail or NY or any blue state

@debdanton2295 11 ай бұрын

I work in the mental health system in the county where this horrible incident occurred. Everyone affected by this tragedy was offered crisis intervention services - including the students, the teachers, and any family member who needed to talk. A compounding factor was that schools were still transitioning back to in person teaching after the Covid crisis. The toll on the students and teachers who were coming out of being very isolated at home and going into a situation that was literally deadly really made the recovery difficult.

@heyitsalannaluv 11 ай бұрын

My god, I couldn’t even imagine how hard that would be for them.

@CLL21 11 ай бұрын

A girl whose family my my mom cleans for was a senior at Oxford when this happened. She took a semester off before college cuz she was really messed up over what happened, only to be at State for like a month when there was a shooting there. She's 19 & has been in 2 school shootings!

@tyresefarrell 3 ай бұрын

This ones 100% on the parents. I know what its like being cooped up in a room all day, every day while home alone. All while feeling the same feelings he had of abandonment, i lived with my dad and he was the same, never bothered to talk to me, never bought food for the house, wouldn't reply to messages and would randomly go on holidays. It made me feel genuinely crazy like my brain was breaking and i couldn't do anything about it. Being alone with the feelings of hopelessness and abandonment brings out the worst in people, for me i got paranoid that people were judging me 24/7 and that wasn't helped by the fact i have serious insomnia, depression and anxiety. It left me in a state of constantly feeling like one minor convenience or one bad thing happening and i would completely flip off the rails and either end it all or lash out at the wrong people. After a while of that sort of treatment and having those feelings it makes you seriously resentful of practically everything and yourself, and it never ends well unless you can escape it or get any sort of help, which in this case the parents failed to provide and now the victims parents have to live with this negligence as the reason there children were killed. truly a sad case that i can relate to a bit too well, my condolences to the families of all that were lost, may they rest in peace

@AsaLindstrom-j9f Ай бұрын

I feel for you 😢❤

@SWISS-1337 11 ай бұрын

The thing that made me happiest in this story, is that the parents are facing charges too. They deserve the same punishment or worse than Ethan. His childhood would have been seriously rough, but I feel worse for the families of those who didn't make it.

@hs-fu6qt 11 ай бұрын

I agree 100 percent

@Geshtar82 11 ай бұрын

I thought the parents were white collar big wigs but the dad was just a grub hub driver only and he thought that was more important that the customer get his food!

@MYCUNNYsob 11 ай бұрын

they can share a cell once ethan is old enough for an adult prison

@atleastimtrying5391 11 ай бұрын

@@Geshtar82no, anyone dumb enough do give their depressed son that’s having homicidal thoughts a gun is not going to be a high functioning member of society.

@ThatRedhedd 7 ай бұрын

▪︎ If we're now "guilty by association," we're all going to be locked up in no time for _other people's crimes!_ ▪︎ The fair thing to do is add the appropriate charges to the penal code & charge ppl w/ what they _actually did,_ rather than with crimes they didn't commit, "but knew of or should've known of." ▪︎ Jennifer Crumbley was responsible for aspects of her child's behavior & was negligent in this case. She didn't take anyone's life, however. ▪︎ Parents of school sh00ters are typically charged _appropriately,_ with things such as neglect of a child, improper storage of a firearm, or criminal negligence. What the prosecutor charged here will open the floodgates for all kinds of charges to be filed against parents for their children's actions, or anyone DAs decide _should've_ known of a crime & stopped it before it occurred.

@shawnfishwick8696 11 ай бұрын

Being a Michigan resident, I remember this case. One correction for the video though, the capital of Michigan is Lansing, not Detroit. Although Detroit does tend to hog most of the attention. Great coverage, as always Adrian.

@FeatherDust100 11 ай бұрын

Thank you! Came here to say this, but wanted to search the comments first. Had to rewind the video because I thought I had heard incorrectly.

@curator3539 11 ай бұрын

I find it fascinating that Ethan (at least in the end) accepted responsibility and will be in prison for the foreseeable future and his parents skipped their arraignment, ran from the law and pleaded that they did nothing wrong. What Ethan did was horrible, but it sure sounds like he was practically begging for help and his parents were like, "nah"

@nikkimclay5474 11 ай бұрын

plus they hired lawyers for themselves & did nothing for their son

@llcortazar286 11 ай бұрын

It seems he was more mature than they were in some ways

@twilight79010 11 ай бұрын

Yup. There's something seriously wrong with his parents. They look as dead behind the eyes as Ethan does. It's no surprise their child turned out this way.

@ThatRedhedd 7 ай бұрын

They weren't informed about the hearing. They were kept in the dark purposely so it would look like they were running when they were simply unable to stay at their home & went to a friend's place. This whole thing has been orchestrated by the DA to bolster their political career.

@ThatRedhedd 7 ай бұрын

@@nikkimclay5474A fancy lawyer could've helped the kid? 🙄

@roughriderfishing7755 11 ай бұрын

Ya know. . . This is a super tough one. . . While my heart breaks for the victims, my heart breaks for Ethan too. No one was there for him and even those who noticed warning signs, diligently contacted his parents and neither one of them were there for him. His own parents. . . So horrible.

@XxSTACKxX 11 ай бұрын

I think his parents are going to prison too.

@BamBabyBrenda 11 ай бұрын

@XxSTACKxX GOOD they failed him. They are apart of this problem for blatantly ignoring him as he pleaded for help before hand. With proper care he could have got help. Those children could have lived

@roughriderfishing7755 11 ай бұрын

@@BamBabyBrenda Exactly. Parents like this make other parents look bad. He needed them and they failed him. Ethan is the last person his parents should have failed. Just makes me sick. . . And I truly hope his parents get the max punishment that can be dealt.

@LARPINGMASTER1223 11 ай бұрын

No one’s heart should break for this scumbag. What he did is irredeemable no matter what the circumstances were beforehand. He should be locked away at the bottom of the prison.

@eekos 11 ай бұрын

@@XxSTACKxXaaal😊iq P Itu😊OG😢,bA❤p.sfyk😊

@patriciaambrose9052 11 ай бұрын

Thumbs up to the authorities for making Ethan’s parents responsible for their part in this very sad story..I hope they get the harshest punishment possible…another great story Adrian….thanks!

@ThatRedhedd 7 ай бұрын

The 1 & only time the school asked the parents to come in to discuss concerns, BOTH parents went to meet w/ their son & school staff. The school psychologist gave them a list of MH providers & 48 hours to make an appointment - which they agreed to do. School staff allowed EC to stay @ school & didn't check his bag, and knew of his drawings, knew he'd been looking up ammo during class, & knew he'd been to the range 2 days prior. If school staff felt EC could remain @school that day, it's obvious that his parents would see nothing wrong with it either.

@maxdugan211 5 ай бұрын

They enabled him by buying him the gun and all the things they didn't do to help him.

@seithefae 11 ай бұрын

his voice recording made me almost cry. this is so terribly tragic for the victims, the victims families, the children who are now forever traumatized… but also for Ethan who never even had a fighting chance despite screaming out for help…

@hardeeharhar18 9 ай бұрын

I know 😢

@Pinkpompoms591 8 ай бұрын

Oh please. I would have sympathized with Ethan but I don’t have empathy for killers. There are thousands of kids with neglectful parents, and even though that sucks, they don’t usually turn out to be school shooters.

@made13145 8 ай бұрын

@@Pinkpompoms591 Everyone is different. you can't compare the misery of one person to other. Those who doesn't turn into criminals is strong enough to fight back. Those who failed simply can't. If everyone can just be strong then nobody would be miserable

@Pinkpompoms591 8 ай бұрын

@@made13145 so it’s fine to become a killer because you don’t have the strength to fight back? Oh please, if that’s the case then they should have never been born

@melissamoonchild9216 8 ай бұрын

@@Pinkpompoms591you have much to learn about the complexities of life. no one is excusing his haneous actions, but understanding is the root of prevention.

@unquietriot8019 11 ай бұрын

There isn't a punishment strong enough for those two abject failures calling themselves "parents". Whatever sentence they end up getting, it won't be enough.

@ThatRedhedd 7 ай бұрын

Nobody knew the kid had mental health issues. Nobody believed he had ever hallucinated. Everyone thought he was just another sad teenager. What he wrote in his journal can't be taken as fact and his parents had no idea what he was contemplating. The 1 & only time the school asked the parents to come in to discuss concerns, BOTH parents went to meet w/ their son & school staff. The school psychologist gave them a list of MH providers & 48 hours to make an appointment - which they agreed to do. School staff allowed EC to stay @ school & didn't check his bag, and knew of his drawings, knew he'd been looking up ammo during class, & knew he'd been to the range 2 days prior. If school staff felt EC could remain @school that day, it's obvious that his parents would see nothing wrong with it either. ▪︎ If we're now "guilty by association," we're all going to be locked up in no time for _other people's crimes!_ ▪︎ The fair thing to do is add the appropriate charges to the penal code & charge ppl w/ what they _actually did,_ rather than with crimes they didn't commit, "but knew of or should've known of." ▪︎ Jennifer Crumbley was responsible for aspects of her child's behavior & was negligent in this case. She didn't take anyone's life, however. ▪︎ Parents of school sh00ters are typically charged _appropriately,_ with things such as neglect of a child, improper storage of a firearm, or criminal negligence. What the prosecutor charged here will open the floodgates for all kinds of charges to be filed against parents for their children's actions, or anyone DAs decide _should've_ known of a crime & stopped it before it occurred.

@annaLaPointe 11 ай бұрын

I write for a small weekly newspaper in the sticks north of Detroit. I don't cover news in Oxford, but one community I do cover provided mutual aid to Oxford and a sheriff's deputy tearfully shared a story about how one of his fellow officers found Justin Shilling and stayed with him, holding his hand until he was transported to the hospital. “I want his parents to know I held his hand and spoke to him until we could get him removed from the building and to the hospital. I wanted him to know in that moment that he wasn’t alone and that someone was with him,” was what the officer said.

@witchycoffee 11 ай бұрын

That mother's final words to Ethan's parents really says it all. This whole story is just so frustrating, coming from the perspective of a parent myself. Ethan pulled the trigger, but it was his mother and father who killed those poor children. Thank you for another great story, Adrian, your compassion and amazing delivery never fails to impress!

@ThatRedhedd 7 ай бұрын

@CoolausdtinDT 11 ай бұрын

The amount of neglect and ignorance by the parents makes this situation more heartbreaking. Imagine how many lives would have been spared all this trauma if Ethan's parents actually paid attention to his behavior. Thoughts and prayers for Hana, Tate, Justin, and Madisyn.

@philippamediwake1235 11 ай бұрын

If his parents had parented Ethan, his whole outlook on life would have been different

@AutumnFalls89 11 ай бұрын

I don't think that's always the case. I watched a Ted Talk by Sue Klebold and I don't think she fits that mold.

@jenniferhill9924 11 ай бұрын

@@zdiddy-dw9vg in this case, absolutely.

@sivaschuh4396 11 ай бұрын

I don't know if Ethan Crumble's criminal behavior had an organic component, but clearly he was mentally ill. His biological parents were worthless. Shame on them to leave the poor kid alone to emotionally waste away like they did. It was fitting that they were charged with a crime. Thank you for your most excellent reporting. I always enjoy your presentations.

@rocioaguilera3555 10 ай бұрын

It has an organic component. He was born without the brain connections that make us feel love, compassion and empathy. In other words, he was born a sociopath, but if sociopaths are raised in a loving way, they become law abiding citizens. If they , but when they aren't, they become delinquents.

@cloud9beauty 10 ай бұрын

@@rocioaguilera3555I see it in the exact opposite. He may have been born normal and a caring family might have kept him that way. It was their callous disregard for his needs and neglect, maybe abuse too, that broke his brain. He asked for help early on and it def could have been avoided.

@ThatRedhedd 7 ай бұрын

@wandahurley7063 11 ай бұрын

Thank you for all the work you put into your videos & the dignity & respect you give the victims.

@domoetker3967 11 ай бұрын

The Grim Story Of Christopher Wilson

@CoExist64 11 ай бұрын

@wandahurley7063, I couldn’t agree more. God bless :)😊

@paulafreeman3749 11 ай бұрын

The parents should be held accountable for this terrible act!

@Horvat04 11 ай бұрын

Is there a info about their sentencing?

@dennis_burgess 11 ай бұрын

They are currently locked up. If you google him I’m sure you’ll find some updates.

@Horvat04 11 ай бұрын

@@dennis_burgess thanks, i dont google any idiot my friend. If all of us are all about Google we dont need any questions in comment section

@ThatRedhedd 7 ай бұрын

@arneefarnsworth8652 11 ай бұрын

His recording of him describing what he would do the next day was absolutely chilling

@knymphology 11 ай бұрын

i went to this school everyone is quick to point fingers at the parents, but you forget the school has a MAJOR part too. i remember begging the school for help with the bullying my friends endured that they unfortunately didnt survive (if you get what i mean) in fact i remember them changing MY schedule at one point because I was being picked on and it was a 'disruption' the issue runs so much deeper than everyone can see. it kills me that it took a fucking shooting for any "change" to have happened. the school is a fucking joke (& honestly the community a bit too). im angry & upset & i just hope theres change for all the lives lost im leaving this town the minute i get the chance. it feels like its just a black hole here.

@taystoner7144 11 ай бұрын

What tha schoo fin do yu shoulda done sum bout it 🤦🏾‍♂️dis y yu got so many problems inna burbs we woulda jus jumped dem or dey woulda been hit wit tha switch ong 😂if yu wasn’t fightin behind it dats yo fault nd dats on vj LLVJ 🕊️🕊️

@hannevanbakker9021 8 ай бұрын

This child was let down by every grown-up in his life...

@ThatRedhedd 7 ай бұрын

@ricardoderas4906 2 ай бұрын

@@taystoner7144what language is this?

@RachelOlar 10 ай бұрын

I’m a Michigander who doesn’t live too far from Oxford. This whole thing was so tragic. I remember driving through the town not long after the shooting and seeing all of the “Oxford Strong” banners and ribbons. It was really sad, but also frustrating. A lot of the neighborhoods and towns in that area of Michigan are rich and Republican, therefore highly unlikely to advocate for gun control laws or improvements in mental illness. Just feels like nothing will ever change, no lessons will be learned. ETA: Michigan’s capital is Lansing, not Detroit 😉

@melovetorun 7 ай бұрын

How would gun control helped avoid this!?

@kittykat9691 7 ай бұрын

@@melovetorunit would help that mentally ill people would not get that easily on those weapons. In germany i have a extremly hard time to get wapons. If America had the same laws for wapons plus better healthcare most shootings from White people would never had happend.

@Jaden-eh6rh 6 ай бұрын

Ye I don't see him as a completely evil person doubt he would have been a shooter If this wasnt in gun capital USA

@Jaden-eh6rh 6 ай бұрын

@@melovetorunyes this would likely not happen anywhere else in the world and he might have turned it around

@kyle9699 5 ай бұрын

@@kittykat9691probably wouldn't make a difference. The problem is not the laws or mental healthcare, it's the sheer volume of firearms. Other countries do not have as many firearms as we do.

@SheMumbles 11 ай бұрын

Ethan is where he belongs but I'm so genuinely disgusted at these "parents" and the monster they single handedly created. Makes me so damn embarrassed to be from the same country.

@It-is-me...Melsie 11 ай бұрын

He is. And he seriously thought his life sucked before! It won't be a walk in the park now.

@MikeBreen-v7f 11 ай бұрын

Embarrassed to be part of the same race the Human race .

@creasedhorizon8931 11 ай бұрын

@@It-is-me...Melsie Honestly the structure in prison is probably better for him than his home was unfortunately.

@AlexKaneROTN 11 ай бұрын

@@creasedhorizon8931fair point

@It-is-me...Melsie 11 ай бұрын

@@creasedhorizon8931 Possibly. His entire life will be structured now, and he will now be told what to do and when to do it for the rest of his life, day in and day out.

@SadKidMeow 11 ай бұрын

This is gross negligence on the parents part. The common theme between school shooters is passive parents. So many of these kids are screaming for attention from their parents who ignore them. The parents always blame viedo games, tv shows movies but never take responsibility. I do believe some parents should NOT have children.

@marshabrubaker185 11 ай бұрын

What a tragedy that could have been avoided if Ethan's parents gave a damn about him. I'm glad his parents will be prosecuted. My heart goes out to all the victims & their families.

@TheDiamondRoseShow 11 ай бұрын

His parents giving him a firearm reminds me of the Brenda Spencer case. I don't remember the specific wording but her dad gave her a firearm for birthday after she started displaying scary behavior. She stated she felt it was his way of asking her to harm herself because why would he give his daughter a firearm. These are giving me the same vibes.

@sarahissersohn5495 11 ай бұрын

Good point! I agree

@catlady5359 11 ай бұрын

Read People of the Lie by M. Scott Peck. He makes the case for the existence of evil people which includes parents like Ethan’s.

@PANDAFACEEYES 11 ай бұрын

Oh myyy goood. You're right😢. So sad

@ThatRedhedd 7 ай бұрын

Buying him a 🔫 when they already had 2 of them for many years was not significant. Had they not purchased a 3rd, he still could've gotten a hold of the other 2. Nobody knew the kid had mental health issues. Nobody believed he ever hallucinated - he joked about it one time 7 months before the tragedy. Everyone thought he was just sad his friend moved away & his dog died. He never had problems at school prior to the day of the tragedy. Nobody ever thought he was in distress. He seemed like a normal kid. When teachers found out EC was the perpetrator, they were SHOCKED.

@janecarver9672 11 ай бұрын

He needed someone home with him, family, guidance, company, love, someone to chat to about things. Poor kid. If someone had only helped him set a good goal!

@Juliett-we7tc 11 ай бұрын

Jeeze, the parents in this case. Their son was pretty much screaming out for mental help and their answer to this is to buy him a gun?? This is definitely a case where the parents needed to be charged as accessories to the crime. How could they decide that sitting out in the pub all the time is more important than their child? I just can't wrap my head around this.

@DarthLesbian 11 ай бұрын

Probably never wanted kids, wanted to live that childless lifestyle. Selfish idiots.

@Niac022 11 ай бұрын

I moved around way more than Ethan, watched slasher films from years old onward, and played what were considered violent games at the time, and was a latchkey kid. Yet I never hurt or killed anyone. There are tons of people I have met in person who never hurt or killed anyone. Not to mention all the killers and crazies you've covered that had good lives and loving homes.

@sma1616 11 ай бұрын

so, you didnt have the same mental issues. and presumably parents who love you. how are you comparing apples and oranges?

@sma1616 11 ай бұрын

@@Niac022 pretty hard to shoot people if your limbs don’t function. And nobody in the video ever blamed the video games, it was mentioned as one of MANY violent tendencies the kid had

@richardwickens2923 11 ай бұрын

I agree with what you are saying, and I also moved around a lot etc. etc. it doesn't mean just those factors is what makes people do these sorts of things. But it DOES seem to be a reoccurring theme in a lot of them. For this poor guy I think the major factors were absent parenting and being an only kid. Prolonged solitary confinement has been declared by the United Nations as tantamount to psychological torture. Can you imagine texting your MOTHER and she doesn't even bother texting back? No friends, no siblings, almost no parents, he was in solitary confinement from the day he was born. No wonder he cracked. There are studies showing that the brain undergoes physical changes under the effects of solitary confinement, with one study stating "isolation causes severe and permanent damage". It seems a common issue with lone shooters and the incel community in general.

@AuntieSocial76 11 ай бұрын

none of those things on their own are responsible. but none of them help when a mentally ill child is left to raise himself, with parents who not only leave him alone, but don't even answer texts. i was a latchkey kid too. that's not the same as how this kid grew up.

@gillianlaing1073 6 ай бұрын

This is so heartbreaking, Ethan was unloved,unwanted,lonely, left alone since age 6, he didn't stand a chance! The recording of him saying why didn't you stop me,is aiming at his parents, who knew he was mentally unstable and ignored his calls for help! If they had spent their money on Ethans mental health I stead of their horses,, they are totally negulent, rip all victims!! This is 😥 tragic

@windronner1 11 ай бұрын

This channel has developed so well. And produced such good content. I’d actually like to see a part 2 of what charges the parents given and penalties they received.

@fo7743 11 ай бұрын

Ethan is a straight up PSYCHOPATH. He inherited the psychopathy from his mum, her attitude was beyond negligent. I won't be shocked if she suspected what he was up to and relished the thought of it. Just take a look at her mugshot, it gives me the creeps!

@goseone412 11 ай бұрын

Yeah I was thinking she probably wanted to do it but didn’t want to get caught and be in prison, so when her son started to show signs she was over the moon and was hoping he’d to something like this. The parents need to be help responsible and actually be charged…

@caribbeansunshine8911 11 ай бұрын

So GLAD you have explored this case. This case ticked me off beyond the pale, because the parents were so flippant regarding the SO many many warning signs. GLAD they are charged too.

@billieshoemate4392 10 ай бұрын

Adrian! it is warming my heart to see your KZbin channel doing so well. selling merch and all that stuff now? this is awesome for me because I was one of your first subscribers. I have been following this channel since day one and I am tremendously happy for your success :) keep doing your thing!

@PhantomOverlordX2 11 ай бұрын

Quite clear that the kid needed help. Like serious help. But those bastard parents didn't care. Hope they do indeed pay.

@msbianca0012 11 ай бұрын

You should soon do a case on Disappearance of Tina Satchwell from ireland, who was missing since 2017 and she been found in her house just this month and also on the murder of ashling murphy, the trial is currently going on in Ireland 🇮🇪

@angeladormer6659 11 ай бұрын

Watch Irish Coffeehouse Crime for an Irish breakdown of Aishling's case and many more, she is fantastic.

@mylom8397 11 ай бұрын

I've always believed that person is responsible for their actions alone, but my god, this has to be some of the worst parenting I've ever seen. If they're not criminally culpable, they HAVE to be financially liable at the very least.

@Yukis.aviation 9 ай бұрын

UPDATE: Ethan just got sentenced to life without parole

@strummercash5601 11 ай бұрын

Thank you, Adrian, for handling this in the way that you do every case. While I did find myself seething over Ethan’s actions, I was absolutely heartbroken when you described with empathy and clarity, the gross neglect, and even abandonment that that child felt, probably throughout his life. The quote you used in summation was so apt: the Crumbley’s did not want to be parents, and their child did not really have a chance from birth. Of course, Ethan pulled the trigger, but Mom and Dad bought the gun. Thanks again, brother. 🙏🏽✌🏽❤️ from Minnesota, USA

@JR-lw3ms 11 ай бұрын

"That child"? What that creature did is inexcusable!

@strummercash5601 11 ай бұрын

@JR-lw3ms Hello, JR and Happy Sunday, wherever you may happen to be spending it! Yes. In the context of the entire Original Post, I commended Adrian for depicting the family life Ethan experienced from perhaps birth, until his grotesque actions at the age of 14. I further point out that Ethan pulled the trigger-he committed murder-and that his parents gifted him the weapon. Do you believe he was born a “creature”? Do you believe he was never a “child” be it “that child” or otherwise? Do you believe that God makes junk, mistakes? You are obviously not a practicing Christian, which is fine by me. Yes, I wrote “that child” as if you needed to ask the question. I prefer not to believe that my fellow humans are born “creatures” from birth and if they were wouldn’t that “creature’s”parents be even more responsible? I look forward to your reply and answers. Thank you! 🙏🏽❤️✌🏽from Minnesota

@DeathWolf88888 11 ай бұрын

Not a lot of channels do it in true crime videos, but I've seen a few, but I do appreciate you going over the victims in the closing so we remember them above all and humanize them how they should be

@kammy6340 11 ай бұрын

Congratulations on your coffee company man. You totally deserve it. This story just emphasizes to me that not everyone should have kids and not all parents deserve their kids. So sad it ended like this. 😢 His parents deserve just as much punishment as he does.

@Jexxa. 11 ай бұрын

His parents are absolutely just as responsible for this as he is. I hope the both of them also spend a lengthy amount of time in jail.

@ThatRedhedd 7 ай бұрын

@sweetandmagical 11 ай бұрын

My youngest son is 10 years old . I could never leave him home alone ! It’s heartbreaking that Ethan reached out to his parents so many times to no avail . When he sent the text that demons were in the house and she didn’t even respond !!! Wtf ! That was some cold hearted parenting right there , they definitely should be taking some of the consequences . He needed urgent mental health intervention . He must have felt incredibly alone . Not excusing his actions though but it’s just sad all round . I hope the parents of his young victims can find some healing what a tragedy 😢

@susansage7218 11 ай бұрын

It is sickening that these disgusting people start by torturing and killing animals.

@yaznool 11 ай бұрын

The comment about killing the baby birds pissed me off

@cindyandrewsthompson 11 ай бұрын

Mr. Adrian, just when I think you can't get any better, you prove me wrong. The empathy you show for each victim in this case is very moving. This case is heartbreaking. If someone had just cared for Ethan. Nobody wins. I like the way you carefully went through this story, covering so much information I never knew about this case. This one must have been tough to cover. Thank you for doing it in the Mr. Adrian style.

@lsd938 11 ай бұрын

My mum was also emotionally absent.... I know what if feels like being invisible... left alone... and ourcast... Feel sorry for the boy... My psychologist saved me...

@thedesensitizedsympathizer5307 10 ай бұрын

Did you ever find out why your mom was neglectful to you?

@avalonheather1071 11 ай бұрын

I AGREE 100% with charging the parents! In a world full of violence as entertainment we need to take actions to educate our children, these people were lazy & neglectful in raising their son.

@ThatRedhedd 7 ай бұрын

@bloomune 11 ай бұрын

I live in Michigan and know people who go to that school. It was absolutely surreal that it happened so close to home. You never think of it happening to you. Until it does.

@bagel_soup2 11 ай бұрын

Lots of people I know went to Oxford... it's scary how close to home this is. Thank you so much for covering it.

@thecomfycouple8635 11 ай бұрын

I really like your page. You don’t sensationalize these stories like others. Your voice is so soothing too you can narrate for a living. I also really appreciate that you always spend some time at the end of the videos describing the victims lives and personalities. Thank you Coffeehouse Crime

@rb5078 11 ай бұрын

Obviously my heart breaks for the victims and their families, but it also breaks for the unharmed victims who have to live with that trauma for the rest of their lives. The kid in the bathroom stall, my god. Imagine the PTSD.

@akman1931 11 ай бұрын

As a new father of a beautiful innocent 1 year old baby boy.... I have feelings I've never felt before listening to stories like this 😪

@nicolebrown1927 11 ай бұрын

💔🥺😢

@bellerain381 7 ай бұрын

Just your comment shows how lucky that sweet baby boy is! ❤️

@bean3733 5 ай бұрын

Thank you so much for covering this case. I've lost 2 of my friends because of this, and it took me a few weeks to build up the courage to watch this video. I watch your guys' videos frequently, so when I got the notification, my heart dropped to my feet. :( Hana, Madi, Justin, and Tate will never be forgotten in my mind, but it's so hard to believe that this actually happened when I see videos covering the case of the friends that I used to see.

@miriams.4341 11 ай бұрын

I really wish that parents were regularly investigated and charged for their children’s actions. Yes, there are lots of abused children who never harm a fly, despite their parents being a disgrace to humanity, but so bloody many serial/mass killers have had terrible childhoods with endless red flags being ignored. It is hard to claim that this isn’t a factor, which the parents usually caused. They should have to take responsibility too.

@garypearse2188 11 ай бұрын

Being from the UK 🇬🇧 I remember this being shown on CNN and FOV. It's great to hear it all from beginning to end, a brilliant video and explanation. Thank you xx

@pollypockets508 11 ай бұрын

What's FOV?

@colbystacy8066 Ай бұрын

Detroit isn't the capital of Michigan, Adrian. Lansing is. Idk why I had to point that out, that's obviously not what we should take away from this story. 🤷‍♂️ Love the content. Thanks, man!

@debramenta7207 11 ай бұрын

I wish people that are thinking of having kids should undergo a psychological exam! Honestly, these (so called) parents should do a long time in prison. Those poor innocent kids. I grieve for their families.🙏 Anyway, I am excited to receive my first bag of "Classified Coffee" and mug. Excellent reporting of this story, Adrian❣

@oldhollywoodcryptid 11 ай бұрын

One time, during a rather unstable time in my life, I went to a mental hospital and met someone from Oxford HS. She was close with a couple of the victims and you could see just how much it had affected her. I hope she’s alright now

@cdes1776 9 ай бұрын

UPDATE December 8, 2023 Ethan Crumbley sentenced to life in prison, no chance of parole. Parents still awaiting trial for involuntary manslaughter.

@ghoul.fiends 11 ай бұрын

i'm glad the parents are being criminally charged as well. they failed their son and it cost 4 innocent children their lives.

@gijane2cantwaittoseeyou203 11 ай бұрын

If we had to imprison parents every time they failed their children, the streets would be empty. They had a neurodivergent son and didnt know how to deal with him, 99.99% of parents can't handle this sort of kid.

@cathycallaghan3744 11 ай бұрын

"For if you suffer (allow) your people to be ill-educated, and their manners to be corrupted from infancy, and then punish them for those crimes for which their first education disposed them, what else is to be concluded from this, but that you first make thieves and then punish them." Thomas Moore, Utopia, Book 1. This sums up the parenting style these people practised. It doesn't excuse Ethan but he had help on his journey to atrocity. 😔

@christinefulford287 11 ай бұрын

Love the job you do, long-time follower .... yet another sad result of someone's neglected mental health struggle. I think the parents are absolutely 100% liable for burring their useless heads in the sand and ignoring their child's unmistakable cries for help, super selfish to say the least. My heart goes out to the victims and their families. small side note, Lansing is the capital of Michigan, not Detroit.... grew up in Michigan Thanks again for all your good work!

@zzfoxolotl 7 ай бұрын

Yesterday February 6th 2024, after over 10 hours of deliberation, the jury found Jennifer Crumbley *guilty* of four counts of involuntary manslaughter in connection with the shooting, one for each victim: Madisyn Baldwin, 17; Tate Myre, 16; Justin Shilling, 17; and Hana St. Juliana, 14. Crumbley faces up to 15 years in prison per count. Sentencing is scheduled for April 9 2024.

@ThatRedhedd 7 ай бұрын

@MsTeo91 11 ай бұрын

Imagine if his parents did their due diligence and got him the help he needed how many lives included his own life could have been save ☹️😥

@mandyD 11 ай бұрын

I watched the continuation of Ethan's trial. It was debated whether he should be granted the possibility of parole. I had mixed feelings throughout the hearings. The judge decided against it. Ethan will never be released. There was footage of him screaming (I think to God) asking why He allowed this. If Ethan was not acting, he is living in a mental prison that no one would wish to be in.

@napalm_lipbalm86 8 ай бұрын

Yeah, he chose those actions with no remorse. I grew up including a lot of other friends with no parents around ever really, we raised our siblings even. Some of us turned into addicts or alcoholics as a result but never thought about shooting up a school. The only kids who did were abused at home and bullied at school who even considered it but of course never followed thru with. He chose his actions and now has to live the rest of his life with the consequences unfortunately.

@LMAR207 Ай бұрын

For a child to text something like "Can you at least text back?" is devastating. As a mother, I couldn't even imagine pushing my kids to feel isolated or starved of attention like that. 😔 He was beyond wrong for what he did but I'm glad that his parents are now facing charges as well. They are just as responsible for what happened as he is.

@BarbaraKibira 11 ай бұрын

As a parent the best advice I came across (in the book The conscious parent) is "that the first 10 years is the most critical. It is important to be conscious as a parent with your children's environment and behaviour. This is so sad, he didn't deserve these people as parents they failed him big time.

@taniyawilliams11 11 ай бұрын

This case is still so shocking because how easily preventable it was if Ethan had just simply gotten the care, love, and attention every child needs 5 young people lost their lives

@IndigoBellyDance 11 ай бұрын

Or at the Very least do not buy your minor disturbed child a gun

@Jack-jg4jy 11 ай бұрын

Adrian! Not for nothing; I’ve been following you for years and have loved watching your channel grow, I think you had like 200k subscribers when I started, which is a great number to begin with! I’m glad people are finding you. Thanks for always covering unique cases, I love how you set the scene and give background details on the location and people involved. Can’t wait to try your coffee! Congrats!

@dominiclacroix9489 2 ай бұрын

Both parents should be in prison along side him. Its just as much of a crime to not take care of your child, to not even have tried. Its break my heart

@emo_penguin420 11 ай бұрын

Every time Adrian invites me to grab a coffee and pull up a chair, he's just so friendly and cute, that I have to stay and watch ❤☕️ Congratulations on Classified, Adrian! So very cool!

@domoetker3967 11 ай бұрын

The Grim Story Of Christopher Wilson

@Mia-oj7ro 11 ай бұрын

What this boy did was horrific and my thoughts and prayers go out to the victims and their families. But his text to his mother saying ‘can you at least text back’ breaks my heart. I am so glad his ‘parents’, (not that they deserve to be called that) are facing charges. What an absolutely vile pair.

@joshuaabell444 3 ай бұрын

Both of his parents where sentenced to 10-15 years in prison

@joliemarietrahar8027 11 ай бұрын

The confession he wrote about him cutting one bird in half and sticking its siblings live head inside the cavity is just ... I think its almost a blessing that he wasnt physically strong enough/ cunning enough to abduct his victims and take some real time with them...

@themidnightpalace105 11 ай бұрын

THANK YOU! no one is mentioning the sick things he did to the bird as if he was some poor little boy