FSD v12 vs NYC

We are confident enough in FSD v12 to take it to NYC! How well do you think FSD did taking on the wildly varying traffic conditions of NYC?
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[@BF1GUN]

Without doubt, the best example I have seen of putting FSD to the test. For me, these are the conditions that FSD has to prove itself, not on wide open roads which are well signposted and have minimal traffic and people. If Robotaxi is going to happen, these are the conditions FSD needs to face and succeed in, because it will be in the city's that Robotaxis will mostly be deployed. I drive in London, and you have to make decisions that I believe FSD would struggle with. As you could see when entering NYC, people walking into the road and not obeying the right of way. What will a car with FSD do? Probably sit there until there is a clear path. When you're driving, you may have to nudge forward just to remind the pedestrian that you are there. If everyone obeys the signs, it makes it easier for FSD. Problem is, they don't.

[@privateerburrows]

Exactly; and that is just the beginning; eventually FSD will have to be trained to thrive in places like Bombay, Pattaya, Teheran, etc.

[@Pookgai420]

thanks for testing in NYC. Easily the most difficult conditions in ALL of North America. Im surprised Tesla doesnt spend time here. If FSD can function in NYC traffic, it can function anywhere.

[@NassimSYD]

I feel like it won't happen until V15 or beyond because the level of complexity here is insane

[@BlackTesla]

💯

[@danypell2517]

They take a generic approach. At this point I don't think they want to spend focused time in NYC, when it's still not working 99.99%+ well outside of NYC. When it is, I hope they focus on NYC :)

[@JohnnyZenith]

It gets frrustrsting only seeing an American FSD perspective. That isn't this channels or these commentators fault. It's necessarily going to be American biased. It's just unfortunate we aren't all on the same page in different markets. UK and European roads are a big test.

[@Pookgai420]

@@JohnnyZenith I've driven in the EU a few times during my travels. They're fucking easy compared to NYC. If you havent driven here you wouldnt understand the madness and lawlessness on NYC streets.

[@phyzygy]

Brave man, Black Tesla. I've not driven in NYC since 40 years ago when it was scary and challenging even then. This is insane! I flinched and drew my breath in at several points of what seemed to be very close calls of collisions. Major props & respect to you! (I don't miss 33 years of North NJ traffic either).

[@BlackTesla]

🤣 thanks

[@smyk1975]

Yeah, exactly. I sweat bullets driving through NYC. Trying to babysit a very pre-release self driving system in the middle of the city is a whole another level of challeng. Props to BlackTesla for doing this so we don't have to.

[@Mrbfgray]

@@smyk1975 Soon it will become a complete stress reliever, doing everything consistently as well as best drivers doing *their best.* It's already massive stress relief for many folks outside NYC.

[@greatleader4841]

how are people so afraid of driving in NYC. I grew up in NYC. Learned to drive in NYC. it's not that hard as long as you know how to drive defensively.

[@joemcdonough7509]

@@BlackTesla I agree. Fantastic demonstration on FSD realities for real intricate roads. You are 100% correct that there needs to be way more testers up in the north east, such as NYC and my city of Boston, which is known for old and chaotic designs.

[@kyle.cushway]

Wait until it learns the horn like us lol. That was a hardcore test. Getting close.

[@BlackTesla]

💯

[@Mrbfgray]

Needs Mad Max mode eventually...then they can focus on drift modes.

[@fightingsnails]

13:45 The sequence here is hilarious. It's like NYC decided to throw several random problems to see how the car would handle things.

[@BlackTesla]

💯

[@banon7853]

And someone needs to test in Boston. Pass NYC and Boston traffic and you’ve achieved something.

[@joemcdonough7509]

Bingo! Boston roads are some of the worst in terms of age and design.

[@uptownsfinest2006]

This was great man. Thanks for doing this. FSD is not ready for Manhattan

[@Mrbfgray]

It'll get there a lot faster if *used there.*

[@geekimusprime]

Need more testers in NYC. Tesla should have dedicated drivers in just NYC going 24/7.

[@BlackTesla]

Not owners but Tesla employees so if something happens Tesla can cover them

[@charliedoyle7824]

Any big city will do. Learn to conquer S.F. or Phoenix first. An AV that can drive anywhere in those two cities can drive nearly everywhere in North America. NYC will then follow.

[@joemcdonough7509]

@@charliedoyle7824 I'm willing to bet SF or Phoenix don't compare to the passive aggressive drivers of NYC and Boston. Combine that with the super old designs, and it's a serious challenge to FSD.

[@charliedoyle7824]

@@joemcdonough7509 I agree that NYC is the ultimate driving challenge, but it's only because the tough stuff happens more often there. The same difficult driving scenarios happen in any big city during busy hours, just not as often as NYC per hour driven. Of course S.F. and L.A. have lots of psycho drivers. L.A. even has a racing culture on its many urban highways. What Waymo has learned in testing all over the U.S., including NYC and Boston, currently in Wash D.C., is that all driving is a combination of San Francisco and Phoenix, meaing crazy city people with awful traffic and bad infrastructure plus chaotic emergencies and tons of pedestrians and two-wheel vehicles, and suburban driving that has its own unique challenges like lots of parking lots, but a lot fewer problems per mile driven.

[@joemcdonough7509]

@@charliedoyle7824 I forgot about the LA racing culture. I saw the rolling races myself on the 405.

[@williamthomas5788]

I thought FSD did quite well on this drive. It's definitely getting to where it would be really handy. I don't live in NYC, but was just driving there a few days ago, so I empathized with the FSD computer while watching. Thanks for the good test and commentary.

[@BlackTesla]

TY

[@privateerburrows]

Wow, this is useful. First time I see an FSD test in NYNY; thanks!

[@banon7853]

Yes, New York City is the real test for any autonomous software. Good job.

[@magic_fruit_bat5003]

Nah, India or Italy would be

[@C21Kristal]

My stomach was in my throat watching this one. You’re a brave soul. Thank you 😊

[@BlackTesla]

💪🏾

[@KirinRise]

Awesome was waiting for this

[@svennpetter]

Great video quality and excellent voiceover! Love it

[@BlackTesla]

TY

[@MichaelKirven]

Soul crushing traffic. 100%. Sadly, my OG 100D on HW3 is stuck on FSD v11.1. The cameras need some kind of digital iris to prevent being blinded. Good job!

[@marc0443]

Great video of driving in NYC! The Lincoln Tunnel area was tough.

[@faizurrahman7084]

Was waiting for this video… hope it will be good.

[@KarimLakhani]

Thanks for this. I took V12 for a spin around Cambridge Boston this weekend and was waiting for yours. We have a ton of students wandering around here. The performance on roundabouts was pretty cool. But traffic was not intense. What is your camera setup in the car? I think I want to shoot a few videos of FSD in urban settings like you.

[@davidkendall2272]

Nice drive, the error disengagements are similar to my experiences. I finally had disengagement free drive on 12.3 and was super impressed with its performance relative to 11.4.9. Your FSD drives are awesome . Thanks for doing this.

[@BlackTesla]

Thank you. Hopefully this isn't a bigger issue

[@Pete35vail]

Thanks!

[@anunexpectedfire4062]

Great test. Thanks so much. This is the final frontier now that FSD is so good in lower density areas. Looking forward to more NYC tests.

[@BlackTesla]

💯

[@JohnnyZenith]

People keep forgetting Europe etc.

[@BlackTesla]

Europe and India are also on the final frontier

[@JohnnyZenith]

@@BlackTesla Yeah.

[@gizmonti]

Glad I found your channel today!! I've been trying FSD for the 1st time myself the past few days, in 2 major cities: Boston and NYC, and drove from former to latter. Basically, it is 'not ready for prime time' in either of those 2 cities in any kind of dense traffic. I've had to intervene quite a few times as it did, or tried to do, some sketchy things or didn't know what to do!!! Going on the highway is a different experience however - mostly smooth sailing with really no interventions. And that's where I think the value really is, as it cuts down on driving fatigue (once you get over the nervousness of AI as your pilot). Regarding city driving, perhaps it's the street planning and construction, as well as the evolution of human driving, that needs to improve, for this to work. And speaking of the human element - it plays a large part in close traffic/ city driving, ie. eye contact and waving someone ahead, or seeing that they're not looking at where they're going, etc. These are things that are not currently possible with FSD, at least yet.....

[@jonathanwiliams4993]

Yeah I've been testing it since v. 9 or v. 10 8n the city and it's getting really close to handling it. Right now it's handing North Beomx and Westchester with ease. It's getting there!

[@human-person]

Awesome show and tell with new Supervised FSD, can’t wait to see how it progresses as this now not compute constrained year of training goes. Everyone’s sleeping on $TSLA for sure. Soon Optimus will be walking around in the world. Someday, hanging out and plugging/unplugging driverless Teslas at Supercharger stations, and probably eventually even doing tire rotations in your driveway after FSD drops off a robot team for your scheduled service.

[@kottuning3294]

Wow its not phantom breaking down to 0 in the tunnel anymore. I remember testing V10.69.52 and it would fly through the tunnels with no problem, then once V11 came into effect it would just phantom break down to 0 in Holland and Brooklyn Battery Tunnels. I gotta test the Brooklyn Battery this week when I go for my weekly Nobu dinner lol

[@BlackTesla]

Yes phantom braking seems to be gone

[@Jayzee31519]

Thanks for testing here in NYC, always see FSD vids in car-friendly cities and never in challenging environments like this one

[@doomsday9973]

Thanks for this vid! This is probably the toughest test FSD can possibly get.

[@BlackTesla]

Europe and India are likely harder but in the US this is it

[@dougjohnson5947]

Great real world stuff!

[@barryhadar4486]

Thank you for your video. The last update you’re doing now. I don’t think so. It’s the best that I actually it’s worse. Thank you.

[@coolbart66]

Just so you know, the toll plaza on the NJ is no longer functional. The new toll gantry is on the exit side of the tunnel in NY. You can pull out your E-ZPass tag when exiting the tunnel, but you don’t need to because it reads your license plate and you get tolled automatically that way.

[@michaelblozen8472]

having driven Lincoln Tunnel for too many years... Thank you for testing FSD here... although personally I love it on MyY.

[@MoonWolfNight-pl3jl]

good job! thanks for the video. this will help my decision whether or not to get a Tesla. much love

[@Supreme_Lobster]

7:31 When it failed at that construction right after the tollbooths, it wasnt v12 that failed, it was actually v11 (highway). It seemed to be switching back and forth between both versions.

[@DerekDavis213]

V11 vs V12, who cares? As of today, Tesla self driving cannot get the job done.

[@Supreme_Lobster]

@@DerekDavis213 its doesnt matter if you dont care, but if you know what is actually going on, it does matter. It matters for understanding how the system works and therefore what its future will look like

[@DerekDavis213]

@@Supreme_Lobster You are talking about the future of FSD? What about the past? FSD has been in beta testing for almost 4 years, and it is still a buggy simple minded barely Level 2 driving assistant. Still makes lots of rookie mistakes, every day. Full Self Driving? It is not even close to that!

[@thomasreese2816]

​@DerekDavis213 I guess your solution is closer? Waymo is the only other competitor anywhere close, and they use a completely different process. Waymo will get there first, but can't scale globally or the fleet nearly as fast as Tesla.

[@DerekDavis213]

@@thomasreese2816 I don't have a solution, and most people don't even care about self driving. Tesla and Uber are the ones pushing self-driving, for their own enrichment. Uber would like to fire all the human drivers, and have FSD vehicles, for huge profits. Or so they think.

[@brianli1212]

Great to see how it drives in NYC

[@AaronMcFarland]

I had the same thing happen in downtown Denver yesterday getting the red steering wheel and then not having FSD for a few blocks. I know I have a street the FSD v11 struggled with in Downtown Denver and sadly FSD v12 has kind of the same issues. Other than that FSD v12 has been almost flawless.

[@aravindhravi2307]

One question where have you mounted the camera in M S it’s so hard . Credits to you for that

[@whitepuf75]

12:09 Mercedes driver behave like version FSD 11😅 Great video. I was impatient to see your TS trip so thank you. FSD 12 is not perfect yet but so much progress compare to last year trip. Are you going to make a debrief video ?

[@BlackTesla]

💯 yes I have 2 more videos then score

[@DerekDavis213]

Not only is FSD 12 not perfect, but it is light years away from full autonomy, when it could be trusted with your life.

[@OrganicStuff1]

I'm on 12.3 with USS, just saw people getting 12.3.3, hope this fixes the speed issue, also big props for testing this is NYC, I can't even drive without anxiety lol.

[@BlackTesla]

TY, so far 12.3.3 seems to be an improvement as far as speed auto offset goes but need more testing to be sure.

[@nickfosterxx]

8:34 The more convenient driving becomes, thanks to FSD, the more people will be motivated to drive, until the equilibrium of inconvenience is re-established. The real issue has been designing cities for car dependency rather than for people. Cities around the world, particularly in Europe, are improving quality of life, pollution, health, and safety by making alternative modes more attractive. The autonomous car will always have a place, but perhaps not the dominant one you imagine in decades to come around city centres.

[@SonuOfBostonia]

7:50 every single time I've been in these tunnels they've always looked like shitty traffic patterns

[@BlackTesla]

Yep

[@chefjoe9767]

Man I work in Manhattan in Times Square and I haven't tried the new version yet but I pulled out of trying in the city for over a year now lol. I live in Jersey and most people will not understand exactly what you have pointed out about the the struggle of NY. Great job as for me I prob would be a little more let's say Not patient lol.. Awesome work. Maybe someday we have to all do a meet up of the Jersey YTbrs as all the Cali guys are everywhere 😂

[@aravindhravi2307]

Pls do a test drive in garden state parkway and also in Newark downtown and all the way to Paterson if possible as testing in NJ will test its true potential. I own a M S too and in NJ . I noticed trouble during rush hour traffic too while going to Newport from JC

[@BlackTesla]

Check out the train station video that was downtown Newark

[@geekaholic88]

Gr8 test. NYC is the ultimate boss fight (at least in US). One thing, on the drive in not sure if FSD was using v12 or the v11 as I’ve heard the highway stack is still using v11. Also for temp speed up you can tap on accelerator.

[@larrylittlefield7357]

Impressive

[@marc0443]

So happy to be watching from home and not in that Manhattan madness. You are very brave to drive your beautiful Model S in downtown Manhattan! Thank you!

[@BlackTesla]

TY

[@DanFrederiksen]

At 15:33 those cabs just decided to make a left turn lane a parking spot? new york delivers :) Are those tunnels always in disrepair? Everything was messy :) good test.

[@BlackTesla]

Yes and yes NY is a mess

[@mikemulrooney4824]

Good vid

[@Squiidzey]

I got access to the free trial yesterday, and upon my first used I noticed that it would ride really close to the curb. I knew it knew what it was doing but I was just a tiny bit uncomfortable

[@BlackTesla]

Yes still an issue

[@anthonycicchetti7620]

In New York, if you can make it THERE, you can make it ANYWHERE. 👍

[@BlackTesla]

💯

[@fightingsnails]

7:08 Is it driving on the old highway stack or the new 12.3 stack? I noticed that cones appear in the visualization, and IIRC you'll never see cones visualized in 12.3. So the problems with navigating into the tunnel may be a limitation in the old stack that'll hopefully go away when they're unified.

[@BlackTesla]

That's the prevailing theory, and if correct they need highway to be v12 then

[@bogdanivchenko3723]

I think it should "get it" with cones.

[@animeB0y01]

Wow. I was not in the vehicle and feel the stress. Man o man.

[@xxxlr2010]

Any have issues with yield signs on FSD? Like at 1:38 my MX with FSD would just not yield to incoming traffic to the left. It just seems to ignore yield signs. I actually live by that same yield sign in the video but I have to intervene just about every time I drive by it if there are any cars approaching.

[@BlackTesla]

It's pretty aggressive for yield signs, meaning it will just yield for traffic and not the actual sign

[@banon7853]

People don’t realize this is an expensive test because what is the toll now into New York City, $15! :-) I know where you are, used to live there :-)

[@BlackTesla]

TY I appreciate that you respect rhe expense 👍🏾

[@moocorp4574]

Holy shit driving in NYC is a complete nightmare and I couldn't do it for sure

[@gfyymp]

Great video. I disagree with you that they should have started with NYC. It's a fairly common and good practice to tackle simpler version of a problem in engineering (and I'm fairly confident in most fields) in order to minimize risk, increase probability of success at each stage and shorten iteration period. The latter allows for faster feedback cycle which is super important when exploring a new territory.

[@BlackTesla]

That's a fair point, but for a system that is trained on video of traffic conditions. Collecting data in the most complex scenarios makes it much easier to handle simple situations. FSD didn't need to iterate as many times as it did to the public. If Tesla went from Navigate on Autopilot to FSD v12 imagine how much more impressive it would've been for all and again having that complex data even if captured in shadow mode just makes the car more capable.

[@KirinRise]

Totally agree NY city has to be the toughest streets to maneuver in … more testing from Tesla is needed there

[@Mpr47276]

I didn’t see any of your V11 NYC drives. Despite the obvious rough points/failures in this drive, is there substantial difference/improvement now vs then in the city?

[@BlackTesla]

There is a difference in the way v12 reacts to the environment around it and handles itself overall. That continues to NYC. However there is still a gap between where it is and where it needs to be to navigate this city

[@tripleog3567]

Crazy how we're at Version 12.3.3 already. Wonder how it will do in NYC compared to this build.

[@BlackTesla]

Yes the rate of improvement is significant. We have 12.3.3 but already scheduled to release these videos first.

[@Austin_H7]

Just as a viewer that was stressful enough. Wild.

[@jamescole3152]

The lane just ended with no merge sign? 2:20

[@BF1GUN]

Let's imagine a day when Robotaxi goes live. If these cars are fully dependent on the built-in cameras, who is going to clean them when they get dirty and can't see sufficiently enough to operate FSD? I presume they don't have a built-in cleaning system?

[@icarus166]

There are cars that self wash their cameras using a high power jet of water and soap. I don’t know if Tesla has them though.

[@BF1GUN]

@@icarus166 I've never seen them on the Tesla's, but maybe this will change in the future. However, having thought about this, I suppose if you run a Robotaxi company, you will have the infrastructure to check and clean the cars.

[@tjalve1]

Each Robotaxi can include a Teslabot to do those tasks, other simple repairs, help with luggage, clean the car etc.

[@BF1GUN]

@@tjalve1 Yes, that's going to the next level 😀

[@scottgaree7667]

@@BF1GUN The CyberTruck's front camera has a sprayer.

[@Mrbfgray]

Like the restraint 12:10 Handled exactly right by YOU, should be tagged for Tesla to look at. Guessing *it* would make harder later stop? Someone did that to me twice in 2 blocks recently, only honked the 2nd time which was extra egregious, requiring quick full stop by me. Always fear Elon tad too optimistic, pushing too hard and fast sometimes. Some incidents will happen but if the data says supervised it's *already* 20X safer??

[@DavidSaintloth]

In the tunnel entrance scenario , I think it would have figured out that it needed to shift leftward, but you were concerned that it might get stuck and took over rather than giving it the opportunity figuring it out and I understand that considering that you had traffic behind you. However, that scenario is one that is ripe for training using synthetic data scenarios rather than real world ones. Tesla could easily generate a bunch of driving scenarios in their simulated environment and then populated with various types of traffic cone diversions so that the car can learn to navigate them and then add that to the collective of knowledge. Training also being gathered by real world scenarios to expedite expertise.

[@BlackTesla]

Fair perspective. However, there are consequences to actions and if I let the car figure that out the police that were all looking at me might have something to say about it. If it was a closed course and no consequences I would let it do its thing. I think the issue there was that it was required to cross multiple lanes at almost a 90 degree angle which goes against what it knows which is why it was confuses as well imo.

[@DaGoat97]

Road construction is difficult when lines are not drawn

[@oskar6747]

9:00 How can the traffic be so slow in a tunnel? Here we close tunnels always if there are any traffic jams.

[@BlackTesla]

Just takes 1 or 2 slow driving people to jam the entire tunnel

[@danypell2517]

Wow that's really impressive. It is clear that one day it will be able to drive in NYC without pressing the accelerations or taking over. That day does not look to be decades away anymore. Not even years away.

[@BlackTesla]

💯 exactly the rate of improvement is the key here. If they can mitigate regressions and focus on NYC it should be very soon

[@Kevin-xt1er]

FSD V12.3.2?

[@AshishAwaghad]

other than giving it accelerator pushes, it performed well, didn't it?

[@BlackTesla]

Absolutely much better than before but still has a ways to go.

[@Tech4geeks21st]

In New York City you are supposed to turn right using bus lanes.👍 but make sure you don’t enter the bus lane before the middle of the block, it has to be the ending of the block.

[@BlackTesla]

Correct

[@AT99_TKT]

Thanks for the video. Does anyone know the FSD V12 rollout criteria in terms of region, model or year? I think I saw videos or tweet of new owners impressed by free trial FSD V12 while I believe a lot of existing owners who paid FSD in full still haven’t received the V12 update.

[@BlackTesla]

Rollout is based on geography and vehicle config, staring in California. The trial seems to be going out to people who haven't bought and have the newest cars to incetivize them to buy...but that's just what we've seen.

[@Mpr47276]

Yeah it’s pretty frustrating to be stuck on 11.4.9 while the world gets the v12 free trial post-haste.

[@AT99_TKT]

Software just arrived. 😅 Hope you get yours soon.

[@MultiVfc]

please add on the video the software version

[@BlackTesla]

In the description and spoken at the beginning of the video

[@mkkm945]

Honestly, not bad at all. Drove about as well as >80% of the people I know.

[@marc0443]

I agree, Tesla FSD team needs to test much much more in Manhattan and in the New York metro area.

[@user-rr9fy4ie8w]

v12.3.3나왔어요. 그거 나오면 뉴욕도시 다시 도전 합시다용.

[@magic_fruit_bat5003]

It’s not there yet. They have much to work on.

[@Jasedabass]

I wonder how many New Yorkers take up the 1 month free Full Self Driving Supervised? 🚗

[@northshoreplaid]

THANK YOU THANK YOU!! If it can’t succeed in NYC/BOSTON/PHILLY traffic and road conditions, FSD won’t succeed. I get all the same errors just going through Tip O’Neil tunnel. And all the variations of road conditions. Like you said. They SHOULD BE IN NYC, PERIOD. LA/Frisco is like a playground track! Major eastern seaboard roads are like a mountain bike trail. And everyday is different. I disengage half a dozen times or more on my 40mile trip into Boston. Again thank you. We need Tesla in a Model S/X in the city creating the baseline. Great video!!

[@BlackTesla]

TY

[@pooroldpedro]

you need 12.3.3 assertive mode!

[@BlackTesla]

Why? Assertive just means more speed based lane changes and a shorter follow distance. In the city the cars are moving faster than the car is going and there are only 2-3 lanes so that would do nothing but put us in danger being closer behind the wild cabs who make abrupt stops all the time. I think people think "assertive aka Mad Max Mode" is going to drive like an NYC taxi, and that's just not the case.

[@slowercuber7767]

9:00 ish: you are so right, Tesla should aggressively gather driving data in every city, but I wish they’d get more data for suburban and rural areas, too, so FSD could be able to accelerate gently except where required for politeness and safety, and stay at most only a little over the speed limit when configured to CHILL.

[@BlackTesla]

💯

[@scottgaree7667]

Tesla gets driving data from anywhere and everywhere owners drive.

[@graysonwagner1855]

System error occurs many times during v12 drives.

[@BlackTesla]

Not so much for us

[@jaslarja]

You have HW3 right?

[@BlackTesla]

Yes

[@coolbart66]

NY…. If it can make it there, it can make it anywhere. (lol, like the song)

[@slowercuber7767]

5:19 Amen! I wish Elon had waited until it was a little better before the big push. Though it did save me 200USD because I was planning to subscribe to FSD for a month in April, to use while traveling to see the eclipse.

[@concoctionary]

I'm also doing eclipse travel, and I'm making the hard assumption that I will have no opportunity to get any supercharger use on that day because of the crush of all the traffic.

[@slowercuber7767]

@@concoctionary I came across a traffic study about a year ago that seemed to show very little overall traffic increase for the 2017 eclipse. This was at odds with what I witnessed that day, especially with traffic leaving Nashville going east. I too am concerned about it, so I’ll probably travel to it either very early in the morning or the day before.

[@Mpr47276]

Yeah it’s crazy that they’re releasing v12 on a wide trial without ANY tutorial or basic best practices guidance for people who have never used it or even thought about the state of the system.

[@MikeAndTum]

Typical engineer mindset. They think regular people will be as excited as they are and overlook the “minor” problems. When regular people find any kind of error, they will freak out and never try it again.

[@badtoro]

Honestly, the amount of people asking stupid questions about general use of the car because they didnt read the manual, they would just ignore this as well :-(

[@BlackTesla]

Tesla has adopted video tutorials as of late so I suspect they will add them for this. I think they're just so excited they are getting it out there early without considering that part of it.

[@MichaelKirven]

@@BlackTesla Tesla needs more advisors in their locations to go over the product at this point - esp with FSD engaged. The out of the box experience has to step up for new customers.

[@reggieoverton121]

@@MikeAndTumthis! They have no interest in helping develop FSD. They just want it to work. Also most don’t care about FSD they like being in control.

[@RubenKelevra]

Abort for system error, which you encountered is if the system's guard detects a malfunction. This may either be some kind of performance issue, where it takes to long to process the data, or it's decisions are out of the set boundaries of sane decisions. Something like the forward collision warning detects a car or an object and FSD decides to gun it, would be such an instance where the system guard would disable fsd and show you red hands.

[@BlackTesla]

Thanks for sharing

[@wizard-469]

The guy goes to NYC and don't set to assertive mode?

[@peeelee4221]

Wait what you live in NY?

[@BlackTesla]

No, just took a trip

[@fig7047]

Much better than the human after coming out of the tunnel!

[@BlackTesla]

💯

[@mides8167]

10:48 NYC - Elon Musk will be like “and since I made it here, I can make it anywhere!!!” 😂 Great vid bro

[@BlackTesla]

TY

[@JohnnyZenith]

The fact we don't see these videos from London, Manchester, Berlin, Paris, Rome yet frustrates me. The fact there are no Plaids in LHD markets too. Tesla should have getting more criticism for the latter.

[@BlackTesla]

I feel your pain, we have lots of friends over there hurting. Fact is, it's very challenging for Tesla to satisfy the regulations over there.

[@wbklausmeyer]

Good to see one of these FSD videos that isn't just a frictionless drive experience but instead has multiple needs to interrupt and give major driver input. I have yet to experience a comfortable experience of more than 5-6 minutes. And forget turn lanes, mine doesn't see them with the beta.

[@PeterQuistgard]

I know everyone is hyped about v12, and it’s great, but it is not in my opinion anywhere near ready for the masses.

[@johnweiner]

Looks like the Holland Tunnel (?). I wouldn't DARE use FSD v.12 in NYC anywhere (Manhattan, Brooklyn, Bronx) ... maybe in Queens or Staten Island. Manhattan, Brooklyn MUCH more stressful than DC (which is bad enough).

[@banon7853]

I would’ve set it actually on aggressive :-)

[@BlackTesla]

Aggressive isn't what most people think, it just makes more frequent lane changes and keeps a shorter follow distance. I don't want that in NYC where drivers can slam on brakes at a moments notice 🫣

[@howardrodack6191]

You speak with apparent authority when exhorting Tesla to stop everything and go collect data in NYC. If what they are doing is not working then how has it improved all across the country including NYC, (see all of Brad Ferguson's cross country vids) It did remarkably well in Brooklyn and Manhattan.

[@nycbld1983]

If you can make it in New York you can make it anywhere

[@I_dont_want_an_at]

it lacks understanding, is the thing

[@Balance1973]

Yep, Elon most definitely needs to get his crew into the S3XY Cyberfleet around NYC, to gather training data to feed to their monster cluster. Will be interesting indeed to see how they handle non-verbal communication when things aren’t so clear cut, like Black Van Man there. Big respect for having the courage to venture on in to NYC, BT, and that no wheels or tires were damaged. 👍🙂👏

[@BlackTesla]

💪🏾

[@motarski]

I would like to see BYD or XIAOMI or any other EV do this. Tesla is Sci-Fi light years ahead of its competitors. Not even considering supercharging network competitive advantage.

[@BlackTesla]

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