Are the High Elves Liars? Could Maormer be the TRUE Desecendants of the Aldmer? - Elder Scrolls Lore

[@javiermorales6553]

"The Thalmor would like to know your location"

[@Afflictino]

They only want to ask you a couple of questions. No need for alarm.

[@emanuelacevedo5775]

Jajajajajajaa nice one jajajaja

[@dabunnybadass]

NEVER KHAJIT AND HIS ARGOINAN FRIEND WILL NEVER REVEAL SUCH SECRETS

[@stormtrooper7177]

Damned dirty elves

[@KommanderHooyah]

“Pyandonea. Come get us you golden landlubbers.”

[@Rainwhisker177]

"History is skewed by the first to write it" is probably the most powerful quote you could've said

[@JohnKastoras]

A powerful but also pseudo-intellectual and false one, since, "history" did not exist before the first who write it.

[@SevenStonesStudioOfficial]

@@JohnKastoras but you reinforced the original point. Memory is fallible, language is limited, motives and biases are uncertain but certainly present, knowing all this we know history is skewed naturally regardless of who records it and when.

[@JohnKastoras]

@@SevenStonesStudioOfficial So history should not be recorded because "Memory is fallible, language is limited, motives and biases are uncertain but certainly present?"

[@TheVindicitive]

Like in IRL the holcaust wasnt real but they wrote about it

[@TheAsyouwysh]

@@JohnKastoras no but in reading historical texts we should be aware of the biases of the writer

[@shirtstillithurts2814]

I think Scott just made himself the Thalmor's Public Enemy #1.

[@vogonp4287]

Next video. "Why the Altmer are the best and everything I said previously is totally wrong I swear guys!"

[@bambi5227]

'Yes, Thalmor agent? This video, right here."

[@daleyatkinson6153]

He's already been reported to the Thalmor, they'll be sure to "visit" shortly.

[@smithjones3548]

"Something you'd like to confess, perhaps?"

[@timothy8428]

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

[@Kazuma11290]

Altmer: We are the direct descendants of the Aldmer, Maormer are mongrels. Maormer: no u.

[@JuliusCaminus]

* Ysgramor furiously scribbling notes * "This is going to be really useful..."

[@Spike2276]

"It's always healthy to question your Thalmor overlords." This message brought to you by the Stormcloak gang

[@p.samedi2473]

By 'question' you mean 'decapitate', don't you?

[@hammerite6418]

@@p.samedi2473 by decapitate you mean soul trap, don’t you

[@Nathan_Lennox]

@@p.samedi2473 not if you're a stormcloak, "question" is still correct.

[@nanoman8]

Sponsored by the empire

[@litewave5186]

The Empire hates the Thalmor too, they're just more cooperative for the sake of biding their time to prepare for war-- Ondolemar literally tells you the Dominion is planning another Great War and the Imperials-- including General Tullius-- know this.

[@unbreakablelag]

I wish they’d use the Maromer more often in the story. They are interesting.

[@ciaranmck4469]

I mean we havnt had a proper tes game set in the isles yet so you shouldn't be surprised as they're almost never seen anywhere else

[@sleepysartorialist]

Same. I’d like to know more about them

[@thalmoragent9344]

@@ciaranmck4469 True. An Elder Scrolls game set in the Summerset Isles would be awesome. It would either have to be a part of Ayrenn's rule (where they let Bosmer and Khajit visit) or right after Tiber Septum took them over, and were forced to open their borders to other races, otherwise we'd only be able to play as high Elves. And while I wouldn't mind that too much for the sake of immersion, I could see the community being salty over it

[@erissablackthorn9444]

At some point id love to play as one. I kinda like the look.

[@dartagnanjames8069]

If imperials could get word out that they'd be willing to do a joint naval invasion The Thalmor would be done

[@nazeem8086]

As long as the cloud district remains its value then I, Nazeem do not care about what is true or not. But you don't go there I can understand why you would.

[@Jaden-Ring]

If you are in redfall they will likely do a fan service and provide us with a quest to kill you. Canonizing your death outside of mods once and for all.

[@Haggysack2k8]

@@Jaden-Ring ...You know what's kinda strange? On my end your comment is shown to be 20 minutes ago, but the OP comment you are answering to is 6 minutes ago. *General James = time travelling Terminator confirmed* Nazeem, i don't know what your purpose really is, but you should stop with the sarcasm now. *Points to General James* I don't think he's the fun type. EDIT: Oh nevermind Nazeem, a quick F5 on my keyboard fixed this little dragonbreak. Should still stop with the sarcasm, lol.

[@thearbender5529]

I know what the cloud district is missing..... PUSSIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[@davidspinks2598]

I paralyzed you for 3 years irl in my saves.

[@BestKCL]

@@khouse909 *Yes.*

[@cianoakheart5132]

As for the milky eyes seen on Maomer in ESO, it is a nictitating membrane. When Maomer blink, it slides back to reveal serpent-like eyes underneath.

[@DasMaggie]

wow the last time i was this early malacath was still called trinimac. o:

[@Jaden-Ring]

Damn

[@DasMaggie]

@Millian Macalintal Oof nice one

[@panamakira]

omg the fact I know this 🤣

[@lolhelios]

To be fair, if we are to believe the records from the Crystal Tower and the Maormer were indeed booted off Aldmeris, then they are technically the purest remnants of the Aldmer; whereas the Altmer have muddled their bloodline very little with outside races, the Maormer have not at all, courtesy of Pyandonea's isolation.

[@jonytequileiro]

Why we wouldn't? Not meme here but the Altmer stories always makes sense so I vouch for them a lot of times and this is a topic that they defend and make precise points to their side.

[@thomastakesatollforthedark2231]

I mean. How much do we know of Pyandonea? Maybe there are crab and squid races that they bred with

[@lolhelios]

@@thomastakesatollforthedark2231 Anything's possible, I suppose. Would be gnarly elves if that is the case.

[@mikoto7693]

Maybe all the elf race's are as different from aldmer as each other. Once aldmeris disappeared all the survivors took on the appearance of their environments. In summerset Isles the gold altmer, in the seas and pyandea the grey maomer, then the dunmer, bosmer, ayleieds, snow elves ect.

[@thomastakesatollforthedark2231]

@@lolhelios right? Would love to see the result, tho I suppose the Moamer are the result if that's the case... Tho I've never seen one

[@Aethuviel]

Why is the sea around Tamriel salty? It's from the tears of Altmer who can't handle the truth.

[@BestKCL]

@Ancalmo A bit of an overreaction on their part, don't you think?

[@myles3856]

Damn

[@KosmonautKong]

One bit of evidence to take into account is how often the various elves breed, and therefore create a new generation. You measure your "closeness" to your ancestors by how many generations have passed, not time gap. Grandparents are still grandparents whether or not they're 50 or 500 years older than you. If the Altmer are the longest-lived elves, and they don't breed that often, that means there has been fewer generations of Altmer since time began. That would make them the closest to the Ehlnofey simply by having been fewer chances to distance themselves from the Ehlnofey than everyone else.

[@paulpoumet773]

Very clever thought!

[@aintfalco7968]

That is a good observation. Do we know how quickly the Sea elves generate though?

[@thalmoragent9344]

I agree. Even if the Maomer came from the Altmer, their genealogy has considerably changed. So with that said, they're an offshoot of Altmer, not Aldmer. And given Tolpal's discovery of the Dwemer, I believe that perhaps the Dwemer and Falmer may also be direct descendants of Aldmer as well, similar to the Altmer line, although of course not as close as the Altmer, given the Tundra of Skyrim and the underground of Morrowind are very different than what Old Aldmeris must've been. Which begs the question of what Aldmeris, if it truly existed, was really like. Since Aldmer depictions seem to have a more golden hue of sorts, and the Altmer take pride in purity, I'd say Summerset is likey a very similar habitat to what the Ancient/Mythical homeland of the Mer may have been like

[@litewave5186]

@@thalmoragent9344 I think it's interesting how supposedly at one point the Altmer claimed Men AND Mer came from Aldmeris. Some humans originally were said to have pointed ears--now this includes the Bretons... and even *giants* ... so, technically, wouldn't that just mean that ALL races are descended from the Ehlnofey?

[@zayan6284]

@@litewave5186 yes

[@neotheresa]

I wish they did more with the maormer and made them more than just the bad guys. They have such an interesting culture (from what we see) and basic idea of their history.

[@BP-dn9nv]

I think that if they ever wanted to add another playable race they'd be a good choice. Also if by some miracle we ever get to explore all the provinces of Tamriel in a mainline game I think Pyandonea would be an ideal choice for a game.

[@neotheresa]

@@BP-dn9nv See, you *get it*

[@nofaith9116]

Another example you could've used were the Falmer. The Falmer look like Altmer, while the Maormer look like the Altmer. Then you could have compared how the Skin tone of the Falmer and Maormer are more closely related. Falmer skin are kind of translucent. When you see Gelebor in different lighting it can be snow white to a weird humanish skin.

[@BestKCL]

They're just blinded, corrupted snow elves though.

[@nofaith9116]

@@BestKCL They're way more than just blinded Snow Elves, in fact they're not even Snow Elves anymore. They're blind, with a different culture, and just physiologically look completely different from their Snow Elven ancestor. Their descendants of Snow Elves, but at a different race at this point.

[@BestKCL]

@@nofaith9116 Duh, but idk what OP is talking about still

[@thalmoragent9344]

@@nofaith9116 Yeah, they don't even have Black Souls like other Sapeint/Sentient Elves do, so unfortunately the Falmer are just animals with some Elven blood. Gelebor is a traditional Snow Elf, the Falmer are a different species at this point, you're right

[@antiarmadillosociety]

@@BestKCL OP was talking about the non Weirdified falmer you meet in dawnguard.

[@detectived6908]

I love these lore videos. I have always been really interested in the dragon cult though. It’s interesting

[@Gaia_Gaistar]

I may be speaking out of ignorance but I personally think TES lore is some of the best fantasy game lore ever made and even rivals many in literature.

[@detectived6908]

@@Gaia_Gaistar i gotta agree with u. 110%

[@chrismarple]

@@Gaia_Gaistar not ignorance but facts I would put it below the likes of LOTR but it still could be improved very much

[@bacd-nn2lg]

"Do you get to the Cloud District very often? Oh, what am I saying, of course you don't." Says the legendary NPC that lives in mysterious Wintersand Manor, which we don't know were it is. My theory is that it's located in the Lyg (Adjacent Place).

[@theghostofthomasjenkins9643]

wintersand manor is just what he calls the 2nd floor of the drunken huntsman.

[@TheScrootch]

Tell him to say hi to the dreugh from me

[@morrigankasa570]

I always assumed it was that ruined house near the Giant camp and near the Western Watchtower

[@nvfury13]

The Elves that seem the most like their forebearers were the Ayleids: an unfixed physical form, powers derived from forces no other Mer can tap, treated as direct relatives by the Daedra.

[@OuterRimPride]

I too am Scott and I have always been on the side of the Maormer. Did you know that Altmer use the severed tongues of the Maormer to purify drinking water, and their jawbones as musical instruments? Who are the real savages?

[@AllINAllmusic]

The Scottsman.

[@lucas3918]

Oh hi there

The true tragedy here is Pelinal not getting the chance to make a mace from skewered maomer bodies, I cry every time..

[@duckyeeter2999]

Tis truly allinall

[@lolhelios]

They say there is no true one.

[@dragour8723]

Still more curious about the Left Handed Elves from the other dimension, did they originate from there or did they travel there from Nirn at some point..

[@deadtoallnohonornohope]

They were from the previous world/kulpa like the redguards

[@wisemankugelmemicus1701]

We'll know in 4~ish years

[@Demodex21]

Didn't camel make an invegestigation about them?

[@Aethuviel]

Dimension? Weren't they just from Yokuda?

[@dragour8723]

@@Aethuviel when the Yokudans went on their Walkabout to another dimension they were fighting the Left Handed Elves there, but it wasn't clear if the elves followed them or if they came from there

[@JFN2760]

The Maormer are probably one of the races I'd like to play as the most. We know very little about them and I doubt we'll ever get another playable race outside the 10 main races but they seem really interesting and unlike a few other races they're actually still a living functioning civilization

[@Galimeer5]

I think Aldmeris is a real continent where the aldmer-descendant elves originated (altmer, chimer, ayleid, maomer, and possibly the other races of mer that found themselves on Tamriel after the war that would become the falmer, dwemer, bosmer, and pre-khajiit mer), but it's been romanticized. Aldmeris is supposed to be this lost elven utopia, but in reality, I think it's just another continent. Just a big slab of granite somewhere in the middle of the ocean.

[@snugglecity3500]

Plot twist: atmora is aldmeris just a different part. You want proof? I dont have any.

[@voltairethegoldflame9280]

@@snugglecity3500 there are claims that the aldmer ruled atmora so it might be actually.

[@snugglecity3500]

@@voltairethegoldflame9280 I personally believe everywhere was 1 super continent

[@thalmoragent9344]

@@snugglecity3500 True, and Lorkhan "shattered that land into many" during his war against Auriel in the Dawn Era

[@snugglecity3500]

@@thalmoragent9344 you're thalmor agent. You shouldn't be agreeing with me.

[@justbobagian]

How can you tell an elf is lying? His lips are moving

[@IsRickIV]

How many people does it take to end the Oblivion crisis? Two hero’s to stop it, and the entirety of Thalmor to take credit for it.

[@plasmawolf7960]

*YSGRAMOR LIKED THAT*

[@erikpreza2728]

True words!

[@lori3282]

J_Bar likes ur talk

[@heatsink47]

*PELINAL LIKED THAT*

[@PinkWytchBytch]

My immediate thought as I read the title was, "HAH! YOUR TRUE HOME'S A FISH BOWL!"

[@craig7021]

Finally you guys aren't trying to click bait me with Aela & Serana.

[@flawless_Cowboy]

The sea elves are just a bunch of salty n'wahs.

[@obijuanquenobi1911]

“salty” god damnit

[@obijuanquenobi1911]

Clever s’wit

[@johnnystonks3970]

Tasty N'wahs

[@estebanpillado2067]

@@johnnystonks3970 a nice salted cod taste hmmm

[@jackccurbs]

There's also the fact that the primary races of the previous Kalpa, the Sload and the Dreugh, are both semi-aquatic (albeit not egg-laying mammals of action). The idea that previous ages of Tamriel existed more underwater than above it gives the Maormer's claims more credence.

[@connornicholas8628]

I wish they were a playable race, they’re so cool in ESO.

[@mrybird4044]

Where can you meet them in ESO?

[@connornicholas8628]

@@mrybird4044 They're enemies to fight in the Aldmeri Dominion. Mostly in the Summerset Isles.

[@mrybird4044]

@@connornicholas8628 ah thanks, I was hoping there would be some you could talk with or get quests from, I’d love to see that eventually

[@FortressLordJP193]

There's a few people making Maormer mods for Skyrim, as in actual NPCs and items. No new lands for Pyandonea though. It would be cool to see them in TES6, could be time for a new race. Could just have them really rare, like how Skyrim had barely any high elves that weren't either Thalmor or bandits.

[@antiarmadillosociety]

@@FortressLordJP193 No mods to make pyandonea you say? I know what I'm going to do today.

[@chosen_ashenone9677]

Picking right up where y’all left off after the podcast, gotta love it man. 🙏🏻

[@wtfisthisnonsense]

I am hoping to see the Maormer make a return in some way in the next Elderscrolls game, perhaps as an anti Thalmor faction.

[@jacobklatzker1678]

I adore these speculative videos however can we get a video on ancient tímida and especially the Left Handed Elves cause I find them super interesting.

[@Spartanunit5]

“The only good elf, is a dead elf.” -Nord Wisdom

[@raphaelnaidoo7117]

A timeless axiom that echoes across all dimensions.

[@obijuanquenobi1911]

“Mudcrabs are more fearsome than everyone” -Imperial Wisdom

[@shork1847]

I love the lore behind the Maomer and what we know of them. They're probably my favourite race and it'd be great to see them in a main ES game.

[@DaneInTheUS]

Can I just say that I appreciate that you don't have in video ads. I've been a long time watcher but not subscriber. That changed today 👍

[@RWNetworkEX]

I swear you boys sound like actual historians the way you get deep into the topic. I forget we’re talking about a videogame franchise cuz I get so immersed

[@maxvarjagen9810]

They're not. This is speculative mythology. Its a metaphorical hypothesis for the time before recorded history IRL. What's great about franchises with multiple authors is that each contributes their own ideas, worldviews and biases into the lore, so its basically a human intelligence/folk wisdom aggregator.

[@RWNetworkEX]

@@maxvarjagen9810 I did say they “sound” like historians

[@jamesk6977]

I like how you guys are releasing videos related to the most recent podcast. Makes a lot of sense. Keep up the good work!

[@dragonlordblazer13]

Just watched the PodCast last night and now this video, I can see the connection easily.

[@ferallumberjack4310]

A kick ass poetry line fudge Muppet! " When reality became concrete and lorchans treachery complete."

[@evancondon1372]

The maomer might have an important role in the coming elder scrolls 6...

[@BestKCL]

Doubtful :/ Get pumped for sword singing tho :)

[@johnballard3403]

Personally, you made a better case for the Bosmer to be closest to the protoelves. Sure, maybe they were wanderers that had simply never happened upon this ancestral homeland, but the mythology of elves has seemed to always include an element of not having a concrete physical appearance. There are versions of elves that can appear young for centuries untold, but change the same as the world around them. Some of these different versions even go from animal like hoofs and claws to hands and feet depending on if they spent the last century in the forest or the city. Something similar could be happening here.

[@KingRumar]

"The Mayomer..." Those lowly sandwich elves!

[@obijuanquenobi1911]

Have you heard of the high elv- ground?

[@thezombieslayer5767]

Never underestimate it

[@Jaden-Ring]

You underestimate my power

[@obijuanquenobi1911]

@@Jaden-Ring don’t try it

[@Jaden-Ring]

@@obijuanquenobi1911 AAAAAAAAAAHHHHH

[@Haggysack2k8]

*GENERAL KENOBI*

[@Haggysack2k8]

Inbefore we find out in ES6, that the Maormer really are the Aldmer, Pyandonea actually is Aldmeris and the Altmer from Summerset Isles are, what the humans were for the Ayleids: Just some dumb slaves. And in defence of their own dignity and because of their arrogance and huge ego, the Altmer decided to lie and spin a big web of fairy tails around their true origin and said, that they are the descendants of the Aldmer from Aldmeris. I mean, since we all know dem high elves love to lie here and there to spice things up, it doesn't sound so unrealistic as a theory.

[@johannes-300]

the other races of the mer changed to reflect the enviroment where they lived. and considering the aldmer lived on land, and the maomer interact a lot with the sea, it wouldnt make sense if they did not change after their banishment. therefore in my opinion it doesnt make sense for the maomer to look the same as the aldmer

[@mikoto7693]

I suppose it depends whether aldmeris was more like summerset isles or pyandonea in environment.

[@Doralga]

yeah but Aldmeris wasn't Summerset so the High elves aren't them either and if Ognum is still alive then he would be a former Aldmer making him the closest to them ironically

[@woundeddaedra2380]

@@Doralga Cyrodill wasn't summerset but there wasn't much evolution there either. I don't believe the sea elves. Pirates and traitors are not the most trustworthy bunch. The altmer probably are the closest to the aldmer but their so stuck up that many begruged sea elves want to contradict them.

[@Doralga]

@@woundeddaedra2380 The Aldmer we're so stuck up it caused the whole war to begin with and the high elves betrayed the sea elves first extremist purist like the high elves are not trustworthy either, likely the true story of Ogmund banishment happened due to him allowing mixed bloods into his service and those purist Aldmer banished him in disgust

[@woundeddaedra2380]

@@Doralga I'm sure orgnum is no better, probably worse than the altmer. I dont like the high elves, but the maormer beliefs are basically the same only they see themselves as the purest mer, definitely not mixing blood. Also he was banished from aldmeris for trying to steal power. He was a greedy traitor who failed to steal the throne, was banished, and has been a plague on tamriels coasts ever since. At least the high elves kept to themselves until the oblivion crisis. The sea elves are basically just high elves who have fallen from grace, but kept their superiority complex. Edit: orgnums the saltiest elf on nirn, remember.😏

[@thalmoragent9344]

3:24 Scott: _Lists off almost all Mer_ Meanwhile, the Falmer: "Are we a joke to you?"

[@Degenevesting]

Thalmor Agents knocking at your door (you forgot that not being an Altmer is illegal):

[@robertvanostrand3207]

I want more lore on The Dragon War!! I still think Miraak's turn started the whole thing.

[@wowomah6194]

I would LOVE a dungeon that takes us to some Maormer island (not Tempest isle...) towards their homeland that gives us more aesthetics and a peek into the Sea Elves' culture, architecture, etc. Maybe we'll get a small DLC zone like Murkmire :) one can dream haha. I just loved the Summerset DLC because of how beautiful the music, scenery, and aesthetics were...and want more of that ilk

[@narlychun]

These videos are always so interesting keep it up from England here

[@evilnacho5]

I'm curious to see how plausible it would be for the 'sinking' of Altmeris(?) to have caused a Dragon break, which led to the differing elven origins of the Bosmer, Khajit, High Elves, etc.

[@evilnacho5]

Sort of an unknown dragon break that was produced by whatever event happened to Aldmeris. (Sorry for the mispelling before)

[@sienaasem-som6616]

The only thing I know about the Elves of Tamriel: The Dunmer are strange, but very wise The Bosmer are wild, but very cute The Falmer (originals, not the twisted ones) are rare, but very powerful The Dwemer are missed, but very intelligent The Ayileds are extinct, but very elegants The Altmer are arrogants, and a very good target to arrows, and their throats a good place to sharpen swords

[@LalaLa-ze7kv]

Still strange to me that everyone hates altmer so much even if they historically been not that evil as other elves. Slavery outside goblins? No. Genocide? No. Being extremely imperialistic? No. Hated the most? Yes.

[@sienaasem-som6616]

@@LalaLa-ze7kv no, but they are actually the most hated race, or someone will tell that what they are doing in 4th era are "because they have the right?" Historically, they are not evil, save by some cases ( like the Camoran family), but now they are writting its evil chapter in history.

[@LalaLa-ze7kv]

@@sienaasem-som6616, Still can't find logic in this. Great war is not "evil", it's just war (after blades started this mess). AD wants to bring back meretic era - Empire wants to keep human rule. It's natural. Thalmor tortures people - so does the Empire. Thalmor organized political cleansing of dissent - so did the Empire. At least AD has less blood on it's hands because of it isolationist core and didn't sell its own allies into slavery like some emperor's did. Bethesda tries it's best to show us what hottentot ethics is, hatts off. Btw, Camorans were bosmer.

[@sienaasem-som6616]

@@LalaLa-ze7kv War is always evil. The point is: Who are the evil ones in the actual game? Bethesda tries their best in Skyrim to make the Thalmor look like neo-nazis tryin' to raise a 4rth reich sayin' "we are superior than you, filth human". So the point is: We will never hate Imperials, Nordic, Bretons or Redguards for what they done in the past, because we don't have this showed clearly in a game. Is like we have in the world: Today, people loves to thrown hate in the islamics because they kill in the name of god. But, the Christian Curch do the same ( or made worst) in Middle-ages. But, nobody hates it, because nobody's that actually lives was there to see. And this is what is happening now in Tamriel. And It's the role of the character, The Thalmor will kill the Dragonborn at sight, so, what reason I don't have to kill any of them? None, and I will kill any of them, no matter if they are "superior" And No, Camorans are Altmer...

[@LalaLa-ze7kv]

@@sienaasem-som6616 I tried hard to understand this position ) Maybe it's my own feature hating when someone forces me what to think. But even then, Thalmor with all their hatred to men don't capture people without evidence of guilt like Talos amulet or Gissur's denunciation. While empire decapitates people without any proven guilt, following by Alessian principle "guilty until proven otherwise". Mb that's why we find ourselves either imprisoned or on the block almost murdered for nothing for the last 3 singles which take place in imperial provinces) Btw, arguing on Camorans doesn't make any sense. elderscrolls.fandom.com/wiki/Camoran_Dynasty

[@pheade1254]

During the 'time' the Lunar Lorkhan calls "the War of Manifest Metaphors", the Dawn Era by its very nature is incomprehensible.

[@TerrariaGolem]

I wish we could find more elf-like snow elves :(

[@kingnarothept6917]

"Could Maormer be the TRUE Desecendants of the Aldmer?" Falmer and Ayleids: ExCuse mE SiR

[@Toasted-Cat]

These videos are really good and I love the elderscrolls lore so much

[@legerarts]

I love how we heard this theory getting born in the podcast!

[@blackjacklover99]

Its crazy I just rewatched your earlier Maormer videos yesterday. I think it would be cool if for the second great war the empire formed an alliance with the Maormer. A the enemy of my enemy is my friend kind of thing.

[@jordantucker9799]

If an alliance was struck, just think how more sophisticated the empire's navy will be as they recruit anybody that would swear loyalty to the legion.

[@brandondutkiewicz3746]

I forgot where I heard this but this video reminds me of the quote "History is written by the victors"

[@brandondutkiewicz3746]

Or what Scott said

[@realzachfluke1]

This is one of my favorite TES theories, and I'm really inclined to take it seriously! Thanks, Scott 😎

[@martinperry5072]

This could be an interesting solution to the Thalmor problem in TES:6. They would be fighting off an invasion by the Maormer and possibly wanting an alliance with whatever remains of the Empire..

[@VannahSavage]

Dislikes from agents at your local Thalmor embassy.

[@StarlitSeafoam]

I really like the idea that the Bosmer and Kajittii creation stories are true, and that the Dwemer, just like all the evidence seems to imply, were always in Resdayn. I think it makes perfect sense. And I love the idea of Old Ehlnofey actually being a sort of surviving chunk from the previous kalpa that then gets fought over and sundered. It would explain things like Umaril the Unfeathered and the Sky Forge. Similarly, I think it's very possible that the Maormer and the Altmer are both right: they are splinter groups of the non-Wandering Ehlnofey, and so both have just as much right to the claim of "pure decent". Any physical changes that may have occured between the two need not make them less "pure", since the Ehlnofey obviously have (or had) a huge potential for adapting to whatever environment they find themselves in, so who can say if the Maormer or the Altmer are more physically similar to the original Old Ehlnofey?

[@camerondale6529]

Idk why I expected this episode to be about mermaids. Those would be mermers.

[@bennyhokkaido559]

Hahahahah that was a good one

[@mike-0451]

It would be a very quiet episode

[@huntergibson9585]

So basically Aldmeris ( or however you spell it) was just Temriral, Yokuda, Atmorra, and Akiver in a time before the war, just not broken apart and whole?

[@BionAvastar3000]

Makes sense to me

[@breezzyboy7603]

I wonder if any alliances will be made between the Maormer and provinces of tamriel to combat the thalmor..

[@sagacious03]

Great video! Thanks for uploading!

[@mygetawayart]

I think if we are to compare the geography of Nirn to Earth's, the fact that the warmest areas of Tamriel and the lands of the Maormer are basically the tropics, i think that the area south of Tamriel is filled with potential lands, just like we have the southern hemisphere.

[@Web_Metz]

I just blamed Lorkhan for where every race ended up, as he loved to hide parts of the old worlds behind.

[@MrThatguyuknow]

It could be both: The Aldmer remained original since they were exiled early and obsessively spited all change to their identity. The Maomer embraced the sea fairing lifestyle and slowly changed from it. Both were the same, but the Aldmer were focused retaining their identity rather than the Moamer who saw themselves evolving it.

[@narosedraconis2424]

I love concepts like this, i look forward to more.

[@GhostShadow1030]

Not my favorite topic but still appreciate it🙏 knowledge truly is power

[@Osinivos4]

8:53 mark anybody else notice her eyes do some weird shit ? Was like Men in Black all over again are you sure they are Elves ?

[@LysergicKids]

After being a fan of this channel for a few years and listening to the new podcasts. I'm surprised Scott doesn't just end each video with "Reality is lie, nothing is real, all creation is merely an illusion projected within the great Todd Head, peace bitches" *zero sums*

[@Dragolee4]

One thing about the maormer physical appearance has been updated with the summer set dlc. Their ears look more fin like than other elven ears

[@user-wr6dj4ib9o]

fudgemuppet: calls maormer true aldmer thalmor: it is critical we send an attack group there immediately

[@aaronsanborn4291]

Your content is always interesting...even my wife who hasn't really played Skyrim much likes it.

[@randylindsay9318]

The mao in Maomer rhymes with ow. Like chairman Mao. Not mayo. Great video, I love the focus you put on the lore, keep up the great work.

[@themitchguy]

One thing to support this is the fact that in ESO, the Maomer's clothing style is specifically called "Ancient Elf Style" by the game. Not "Maomer Style", but "Ancient Elf". Just leaving this here

[@derskalde4973]

I just watched the Podcast, and the idea, that the Maormer, or their ancestors, the Aldmer, were easier to "mold" physically, coupled with your idea that the Developers could have used more polynesian inspiration to distinguish them more, and the information that, apparently, there exist sea elf colonies on other Islands, that turned their backs on Orgnum, the undying King of the sea elves, I now choose to believe, that there exist "rogue" colonies of Maormer, that evolved to resemble the description of "tropical" more, with more of a bronze hue to their skin (or whatever you'd call the skin tones commonly found in the native populations of the pacific Islands), but maybe still some reminders of their heritage, like pale eyes (or the ability to breathe under water, if the Maormer really can do so), and possibly a bit more polynesian "influence" on their culture.

[@mikoto7693]

Ah Tamriel. The world where a thousand years can pass and nobody advances technologically. But the video got me thinking at least about the origins of Tamriel and it's races.

[@yiasemi]

The obvious response is always why invent business class when you can cast levitate etc. Why invent plumbing when you can cast fireball at a sceptic tank and cure disease on anyone with typhoid. Why invent guns when you have destruction. Why invent science when the ultimate truths are already walking around giving you shit, space travel has been and gone for the most part as the only truth out there was a pocket universe, mad gods and selfish stars who generally wish you had never happened anyway and the only race to make robots got disappeared. You make a cathedral spire, castle tower, skyscraper or launch platform for Saturn rocket launchers over centuriess of struggle to get closer to God or go to the temple and have it grant you amazing powaz?

[@dorianshepard2841]

163/0 ratio. Never has youtube seen such lasting perfection

[@cjr4043]

Wow!!!! Late here, but jesus Scott you are an absolute fucking powerhouse with your takes on Tamrielic history. I think a lot of fans of TES like to keep lore relatively simple and face value (i.e. All Nedes came from atmora, all Elves came from Aldmer) but, as with real life history, things are never this simple with entire ancient proto-races of peoples (peoples as in Mer and Men both). I came to this video because I was curious about whether or not all Elves came from the Aldmer, because I had this sudden realization that certain races could not have evolved as much as they did in this short amount of time (See the Falmer with kingdoms and a very prosperous society before their demise). Of course Tamrielic races can evolve fast but from a biological standpoint I was very curious. There also seems to be, among the dominant races/empires of Tamriel, a LOT of propaganda claiming all races to be very simply related in order to create a “unity” between different races of Men or different races of Mer, and such, a violent hate of Mer from Men and vice versa. I am of the belief that certain elven races (Falmer, dwemer, bosmer etc) did NOT come from Summerset and rather had been on Tamriel since the dawn era, pointing to their respective origin stories. I’m really excited that TES fans are beginning to sort of dissect in-game propaganda from in-game oppressors. Amazing video!!!! You guys are my favourite channel to go to for this kind of thing.

[@lliamreusser4534]

perhaps some Maomer groups settled Tamriel before topal even reached it and then evolved into the pre Altmer elves of Tamriel

[@ChrisVillagomez]

I would absolutely love if the Maormer make a return in Elder Scrolls 6 but instead of as pirates or some other generic bad guys, they fight against the Aldmeri Dominion and the Thalmor not only because they view themselves as the rightful descendants of the Aldmer, but because the Aldmeri Dominion might want to destroy the actual world if the Tower Theory is correct

[@Rodiacreed]

I personally want Elder Scrolls 6 to be in Summerset Isles. There is a lot of interesting lore there.

[@captainzoltan7737]

could you make a video expanding upon the origins of the snow elves and dwememer, considering there's evidence of them coming from the latest wave of aldmer group that branhced of into the chimer and Aeylids. also, this comes across as a bit of a plot hole but how come the dwemer didn't totally dominate conquer tamiriel with their uncontested technological superiority plus their proficiency with magic? i can understand some of the powerful nord thuum giving them some trouble but weren't the chimer pretty tribal at that point?

[@aintfalco7968]

Unless I'm missing something, it sounds like the Altmer have it right. By all accounts it seems that Summerset was the first Aldmeri civilization outside of Aldmeris. Summerset should therefore be the most culturally, architecturally, and genetically, similar to Aldmeris. It was the Maormer, NOT the Altmer, who were exiled to a far away island. This would cause the entire Maormer population to evolve to suit a new and drastically different environment. This is called allopatric speciation. The Altmer also have the slowest generational turnover rate that we know of, meaning that the fewest generations have passed since the time of the Aldmer. In every way, the Aldmer lineage has undergone the least amount of evolutionary pressure to change on Summerset.

[@striker8961]

Considering how the Thalmor are being set up as the big bads to be dealt with I think it’s highly likely the Maormer will show up maybe in ES6 as allies to fight against them.

[@wolves600]

The Maomer aren’t exactly better

[@toddlynch5417]

moral here is both races need to let go of the past

[@rockygiovinezza655]

That's boring, if they did that we wouldn't waste hours of our free time dissecting TES lore.

[@magpie.senpai]

*something something dragonbreak* they're all the true descendants! xD For real though, I wish ESO let us play as Maormer and visit Pyandonea.

[@duckspeaker2702]

Maybe the various races of Nirn don't need to be genetically related to end up with similar features. Maybe there's a sort of "intelligent humanoid (elfoid? meroid?) template" that they develop into via _convergent evolution_

[@kauswekazilimani3736]

That could make sense, but I feel the fact that they can have offspring with each other negates that for the most part.

[@dstinnettmusic]

That isn’t the lore though. The lore is pretty explicit that all mer and men share a common origin wkth the creation of nirn

[@duckspeaker2702]

@@dstinnettmusic I'm not saying they don't have any common ancestor, I'm saying one doesn't have to have evolved out of the other

[@vecna2101]

Still want playable Maormer

[@bronzecobra8556]

Could you do a video on the reachmen lore from the Markarth DLC?

[@paladinofthelostdays7392]

Guardians of Good! Guard this channel with your lives! For the forces of the Evil Thalmor stand at the ready to lay waste!

[@Blutgolem]

Pls make a vanilla build with the skull of corruption or staff of magnus

[@yeahmhmyupsure6379]

any dislikes are from high elven supporters

[@rooscochran1003]

2. Atm.

[@ianlewis523]

Doesn't matter, Nirn belongs to Mankind. As does the multiverse! This post has been brought to you by the Shor gang!

[@rockygiovinezza655]

Shezarr's blessings upon you, borther.

[@morrigankasa570]

No it belongs to the Khajit and Argonions:) They are the eldest races therefore have first claim.

[@BestKCL]

@@morrigankasa570 Not if the thing about Tamriel being the chunk of the Elnofay's(?) land cast down onto Nirn is correct.

[@_Dylanm]

@@morrigankasa570 Actually khajiit ancestory is tied in with men and mer. Argonians on the other hand have been in tamriel forever.

[@davidspinks2598]

4:20 can we talk about this? Where did you see a Dwemer?

[@hellfireboy3525]

Watching all of your vids now and they really have me missing Skyrim. Yet also making me incredibly antsy for ES6 (If it'll ever be produced)