Fuel Geysering Tips for Wildland Firefighters | STIHL Safety

[@keith-kalfas]

Very informative thank you.

[@watercoinzero]

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[@sunbear1973]

Let me start off by saying that I have over 20 years now working for the Forest Service in wildland fire as a firefighter. I will go on record right now and say Stihl’s approach to this safety issue that they have with there modern chainsaws is just a bunch of BS to cover there back sides. It also shows that they have no idea of fire line operation by coming out and saying that the operator just needs to go site down and let the chainsaw cool down for up to 20 minutes. What kind of BS is that? Folks when you’re working on hot line operation there is no way that this can happen and still get around the fire to stop it from burning. Stihl you guys have a real problem with your modern saws in the whole design with fuel caps and the tanks building pressure like they do. What was wrong with a screw cap? They sure are cheaper to replace when you have to buy a new one, but wait maybe that is why you all did that to make more money. It was not thinking about safety on this one and it is currently not working for our firefighter on the fire line. As far as my saw experience I have equally over 20 years running, using, or operating experience with multiple brands of saw. I will give Stihl some props for making some good saws at times but for their current ones with a bunch of electronics on them are no longer reliable for the fire service. Come on Stihl the best fire line saw that you all made was your 044/440. Hands down most reliable and best power to weight ratio for us out there. At last that is no longer to be. Stihl own up to your flaws if your really concerned about firefighter safety and give us a simple reliable fire saw again!!!

[@oliverallen5324]

Mr. Sunbear, is this unique to STIHL in your experience? The reality is this is just the physics of volatile liquids, you can make this happen with any equipment that uses higher vapor pressure fluids. Having said that, again, is it something that just recently started or is it something that's always been there? I guess the question is, if someone can produce a chainsaw that releases pressure through a button or something that might be the solution(?)

[@sunbear1973]

Oliver Allen, from my experience using the Stihl chainsaws and other brands as well, the old school and new ones with screw on caps have not been causing us issues with fuel geysering any where close to the new style 1/4 turn caps. What I have found is the if there is pressure that has built up in the tank the screw style caps will vent it out before the cap can be fully removed and thus you will not get the geysering effect that is happening with the new Stihl 1/4 turn caps. I know the whole agreement about it just comes down to training the sawer on how to operate the saw. The thing that I say to that is when you have folks doing firefighting work, hotline, operations you need to have it not so easily to get over looked by human error. The other would be is to ask why did Stihl design a fuel system that would build that kind of pressure inside there tanks for these incidents to even happen. The old style screw caps and tank designs did not have this issue. This is food for thought when picking out a type of chainsaw and what it will be used for. Is it for firefighting or is it for timber felling? To understand where I came from is the line of firefighting work. If you have a Stihl and it works for you then great but just be heads up to what can become and very big safety issue in certain situations. Have a great day

[@sunbear1973]

@onet578 That is great! So the most common saws that you will find in the fire line will the Stihl MS-440 and 460 (keep in mind that these models are no long made but still good models), then the MS-461/462 adjustable carburetor version and not the M-tronic, On the Husqvarna side would be the 372xp and then maybe the 576xp and the same thing for the adjustable carburetor versions. If you are going to look at buying one then expect to some cash as even used ones go for a high price. If you are looking at just learning and not expecting for high OEM quality then I would say to look at the Chinese nockoff kits that sell on eBay. Also keep in mind that most saws with adjustable carburetors will work as a teaching tool as well. Echo actually makes a pretty good 60cc class saw for the price and that would be the CS590 for a home/fire wood saw. Happy leaning and good luck when you get on a fire crew.

[@AyeMcCloud]

California doesn’t even allow us to purchase stihls in SoCal anymore so we’re constantly rebuilding our older models or else we have to purchase huskies. Fellow HotShot

[@RoosterRecordsInc]

@onet578 check with your local Fire Department as they typically have a State or Federal Forest Service liason they coordinate with. You need to have the Basic Wildland Firefighter (S-130/S-190) class before taking ANY other federal wildland firefighting courses.

[@kyleburkett5864]

First comment! Be safe out there to all those battling wild fires

[@nathanratchford9996]

I want Wranglerstar to comment on this.

[@watchthe1369]

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[@chloehennessey6813]

Why? He’s just corporate shill

[@infitada]

Or maybe an actual wlff that is on a real crew cut team?…

[@jamierobinson2466]

Doesn’t happen with screw caps

[@ricflair5956]

Best advice to avoid Stihl fuel geysering: buy Husqy. Problem solved

[@infitada]

LMFAO NEVER HAPPENS