Fuji Fanboy Tries A Sony A7iv For The First Time

[@gerardneedham]

Good time hanging out mate! Sony’s are great work cameras when they are not broken. Prefer canon build and feel, you know I’ll be switching if sigma is allowed to bring out full frame RF glass. Side note we did stop filming and shooting to make sure the poor lady was okay, all was good with plenty of help on the beach.

[@JasonLawrenceNoel]

Fun vid! And super cool to see you all together. Feel ya a bit with the feel of Canon in hand…I always said it feels like the way “From Russia with love sounds” sleek, smooth, mysterious, sexy 😊😎🥸📸

[@petereprice]

Yeah that shutter noise you were experiencing was because e-front curtain shutter was not on. Usually you want it on. When that’s on it doesn’t sound like that. Surprised your friend didn’t know that.

[@slglasius]

Came here to say that. It now has a double actuation. In between the picture is taken.

[@winterkat8693]

the camera shutter is doing that because it has its eletronic shutter turned off. so its trying to simulate a mechanical shutter with only 1 shutter.

[@classic.cameras]

I love how my Sony A7 IV feels in my hand. Feels much better than my Canon R6 that I had when I switched.

[@rudermanphoto]

Can’t say I agree, one thing I loved about the R6 was how ergonomic it felt in hand - plus canon’s menu and layout is just awesome.

[@classic.cameras]

@@rudermanphoto The R6 is nice. Almost too comfortable but holding the A74 I feel like I could never drop it.

[@tobis2265]

I've been shooting with the Sony A7 III over the years. It was a love-hate relationship. What Sony does absolutely well is that it has the E-mount open. But what's mega good about Sony is that you can program every single button, which is annoying and limiting with the Canon R6. Furthermore, you have the overexposed indicator directly in Liveview on the Sony. What many people don't realize is that with Sony it shows the image directly on the display at e.g. aperture f5.6, whereas with Canon it is always shown open aperture as if it were f1.4 and only after the image has been taken is it obvious that it was taken at f5.6. It's a small thing, but helpful when working. Yes, the shutter sounds really awful, it's also annoying every time you click it in your hand. What did you think of the display on the Sony? Did you hardly use the EVF? I think it's good that Sony is showing so much innovation. Once you've used a Sony, you find Canon and Nikon "limiting". If you get a Sony, then definitely buy an R Line.

[@kuroexmachina]

it begins

[@rudermanphoto]

Hahahaha

[@JasonLawrenceNoel]

Out of the box the Sony shutter is a bit quiter/has only one noise. But when you turn off I think it’s electronic front curtain. It kinda makes that double noise but has smoother bokeh when you do. Either way yes it was startling compared to my xt5 great vid :)

[@stevenwaldstein2249]

Thank you for the video. As a long time shooter of both Fuji and Sony a few recommendations. First, for 135mm the Sony 135/1.8 GM is great and focas great but is more expensive. If you’re used to using all Fuji glass compare against Sony’s own glass. Second, on the shutter you have full two curtain mechanical, electronic first curtain, and electronic just like Fuji. It’s not clear to me how you had it setup since the Sony won’t automatically change like the Fuji can be setup to. Also consider the A7RV as well as the A7IV since its AF is even more up to date. Enjoy and take care.

[@rudermanphoto]

Yeah I would love to try some GM lenses but that was all I had available to me for the video - either way the Sigma 24-70 2.8 was unbelievable, probably better then Fuji’s own 16-55! I’d love to try using it with the E front curtain enabled and see if that fixes it, unsure why Gerard had his camera turned out with full mechanical but I didn’t quite get a chance to change it on the day. I do like the look of the RV but it’s just a bit out of my price range at the moment hence why I’m sorta looking at options around the A7iv price.

[@stevenwaldstein2249]

@@rudermanphoto Sigma’s latest DG DN Art for Sony are very very good. It’s the Samyang I’m not as sure about. On the E first curtain may be off because many shooters are told it can impact Bocah. It can depend on the aperture you are shooting at I believe. On my Fuji, that latest being an X-T4, you can setup the shutter to stay on, Manual, EFCS, or Electronic or automatically switch between the them based on the desired speed and that was a great feature I thought.

[@mrpurple33]

How about the Nikon Zf? Supposed to be pretty good at video too..

[@rudermanphoto]

While it looks like an awesome photo camera, the video features just aren’t quite there for me - plus ergonomically I don’t see how you’d be able to rig it out effectively - I’ll likely get one down the road as a fun camera to try out but I can’t imagine using it for video professionally. If the Z8 had a flip screen and didn’t cost a fortune I’d 100% consider that though

[@cameraprepper7938]

Try a more high end Sony like A7RIVA or A7RV !

[@timkristensson2279]

The shutter annoyed me as well. Put it on E front curtain and it sounds better. It first sounds like two exposures because both curtains slams when moving (I believe):

[@jessejayphotography]

That 35 Sigma just has an awesome look to it. Dare I say, 3D pop.

[@sigurdrille9693]

That’s too bad your experience with the XH2s was so bad. I have not had any issues except the occasional freezing of the camera. Better luck with the new gear🤞

[@rudermanphoto]

Yeah its very unusual given all my other Fuji gear has been rock solid, but my first XH2s broke 2 weeks after buying it and then this newest one bricked itself 9 months into ownership, after being sent off and "repaired" (they just re-programmed the PCB) it worked for a further 5 days and then died again! I've sent it off one more time, here's hoping Fuji actually replace the camera as there's obviously something very wrong with that particular unit itself, but this entire experience has really soured my experience with what is otherwise an amazing camera - but no matter how good the camera is, if it's unreliable I just can't keep it around as I don't want it to break when I need it for work!

[@wtfbbqz]

no issues with mine no freezing etc

[@davedowe6821]

What version of firmware did you have installed on your X-H2S when it bricked? The most recent? Yikes, sorry to hear about your luck! I nabbed an X-H2S using your excellent review as one of the more compelling cases to pick up the camera!

[@rudermanphoto]

Yes 6.00! It just refused to turn on one day - plugging it into power would turn it on briefly and then it would just die again - first party battery, which worked perfectly fine in my XT5 too. I’d had a few glitches beforehand but nothing that actually bricked the camera itself - the exact same issue reared its head 5 days after getting the camera back. I’ve sent it off again, I hope a brand new camera fixes it but I just don’t know if I want to risk it, especially with client work! A shame, because I think the XH2s is an awesome camera, maybe I’m just woefully unlucky lol

[@davedowe6821]

@@rudermanphoto It's interesting - I've a XT3, X100V, X70, XE2 and no camera body crashes as often as the XH2S (even if it doesn't happen that often). Seems curious to be sure. Good luck, and killer vids! Love you content and channel!

[@rudermanphoto]

@@davedowe6821 thank you! I’ve seen a lot of people have issues with the XH2s so I wonder if it’s just an issue with the camera itself or

[@terrybehal6495]

Have you heard of any having issues with XH2 ?

[@rudermanphoto]

@@terrybehal6495 I haven’t personally no, but seeing as it’s basically an XT5 inside which has had no issues for me I imagine it might be alright! I think the stacked sensor in the S is the culprit honestly.

[@stkuj]

I left Fuji over 3 years ago and don't regret one day. I'm looking at Fuji again, but just for fun ;)

[@rudermanphoto]

Gotta have both, for balance haha

[@ronb112]

Hi! I just picked up the LUMIX S5II. Used Fujifilm since 10 years now. Have also a X-T5. I was also interested in using the S5 for video. My (limited) experience with it wasn’t ‘wow’. Steep learning curve. Coming from Fuji The menu isn’t intuitive. The AF though has a lot of interesting features. I also used an X-H2 and that one felt a bit more sturdy. But this is very subjective. The X-T5 on the other hand is a bit less sturdy and has a lot of scuff marks after one year of normal use. Still doing some test, but maybe I’ll end up returning the LUMIX.

[@rudermanphoto]

Yeah I’d like to test the S5ii before committing to it as well, I played with it at a camera store and was impressed with its handling - the build quality felt a bit average and I do really wish it had CFexpress slots cause I’ve already invested in buying two cards for my XH2s haha Will see how I go

[@Xer0.Visual5]

yes to my ear it's sounds like a burst. even for a single shot. xD! it's so Loud

[@slglasius]

Love Fuji, came from sony also. Also experienced reliability issues. Issues with godox triggers and tethering. Freezing. Lots of lens issues. Aparture rings not working properly on the 16-55. Dust in zooms, also WR zooms. Fuji service and prices are awesome in Europe. But it just feels like not suited for pro day in day out use. Their new primes seems like up to the task btw, so maybe in the future it is better. But this also makes me think about switching back. Will not Enjoy the bigma's though. Aslo hate flippy screens

[@rudermanphoto]

In Fuji’s defence the XH2s is the only item of theirs I’ve had that has actually properly malfunctioned - I’ve experienced no problems with the plethora of lenses I own, the XT5, X-Pro1 or the X-E3 I used quite a bit back in 2019. Their service is decent, I have FPS and they seem to turn around the camera within a week, but yeah my Canon 5d3 got dropped off the roof of a car onto concrete and still continued shooting well into the nearly 200k shutter count without skipping a beat, so it’s disheartening that a XH2s with less then 22k shutter count can fail not once but twice, and experience many glitches during professional use as well. The solution of just going back to Canon is an obvious one but I just don’t want to support that company with its anti-consumer lockout of 3rd party AF RF glass, so really I have to look at Sony which I don’t love either or the Lumix S5ii which is looking like the likely candidate due to its value and video features but also cause its co-developed by Leica and they know a thing or two about photography! (Plus all the great sigma lenses I tested in this video are all available for L mount) Would be interested to see if the reliability on it would be good enough for pro use though, yet to find much conclusive evidence of them being particularly fault prone which is good I guess.

[@slglasius]

@@rudermanphoto Canon was my first love. Same thing here. They are so far back with lens choices. Even if they open up now, it will take years before there is a descent 2nd market. Nikon or Sony for me, the reason I would choose Sony, is the amount of glass available. Don't love to bodies or lack of software upgrades. Hybrid event and wedding shooter here. The Tammy 35-150 seems like a dream lens... Their GM primes are crazy good, also the way they are build, they don't show wear and tear. I would only consider Nikon because of the Nikon zf tbh. No 1.4 primes yet. Love Fuji's policy. Updates after 5 years still, and good ones too. Fuji is good enough for what I do, apart from the issues I have had. Never had an issue with a Sony lens or body. Maybe also a good thing because their service is expensive here in Europe. Can get a lens fixed at Fuji for 80-160 euros depending on what happened.

[@villegas24]

My Sony is the best camera I own but also the most boring one. My Fujis on the other hand don’t stand a chance against the Sony but I fun af to shoot.

[@rudermanphoto]

No chance I’m selling my other Fuji’s!!! Just looking for a replacement for the XH2s haha

[@SuLu_XD]

I always hear this about Sony cameras being "boring." Have you ever even tried to play with the picture profiles or creative looks or WB tint? You can shoot processed jpegs simultaneously as raws. I'm convinced that 99% of "Sony is boring" commenters have never even opened the creative looks menu or picture profile menus. I am not saying it is a replacement for Fuji film simulations but it's absurd to pretend like Sony is only ever good for shooting "boring" raws.

[@Stan_the_Belgian]

What about Canon?

[@rudermanphoto]

I used to shoot with Canon professionally for many years! I had a 5d Mark 3 and then an R6. I got rid of them because I hated the fact that Canon didn’t support third party glass for the RF mount and was overall unimpressed with how expensive it had all gotten. I made a video about why I switched if you’d like to see

[@classic.cameras]

Unless shooting at night, I just use the electronic shutter. Not sure why people use the shutter on these mirrorless cameras. His shutter does not sound like mine. Literally just tried mine, almost sounds like its bracketing.

[@stevenwaldstein2249]

Electronic shutter on a non-stacked sensor can have a rolling effect if it’s not fast enough or there is background movement.

[@classic.cameras]

@@stevenwaldstein2249 only if panning. For portraits none. For products none. For anything essentially not requiring you to turn with object. None. Save a ton of wear on the camera.

[@alfredhutomo]

I will put a somewhat different comment here… try lumix s5ii/x camera, you will be surprised. I used the xh2 then moved to l mount cameras (Leica SL3 + Lumix S5iiX) and the Lumix always reminds me of fuji but with the FF dof. p.s I can tell you have a doubt on Sony system 😂

[@rudermanphoto]

Yeah I’m looking at the Lumix S5ii!! I’d love to try it before I commit to it but I’ve played with one at a camera store and was really impressed with it.

[@alfredhutomo]

@@rudermanphoto Nice!!! Totally unnecessary but S5iiX blacked out body (chef kiss). You will love the video capabilities of the new PDAF on Lumix.

[@rudermanphoto]

@@alfredhutomo I love the look of the s5iiX but it’s around $500 aud more here with sales on the s5ii and I honestly don’t need all the codecs that it offers - maybe if I can find it on sale for cheap but I’d rather spend that difference on a new lens haha

[@cameraprepper7938]

I have very large hands, I have no problems with Sony Cameras.

[@lafandagastroushious6664]

I have Sony for professional work. Is the auto focus the best? Nikon and Sony are nearly identical, Is it a solid camera? yes, Is it fun after work? HELLLLLL NOOO. For Family, Fun and friends and even some professional shoots., fuji just always hits the spot.I tried the new NIkon zF a few weeks ago and for a FF camera that was really fun also.

[@rudermanphoto]

Yeah the XT5 is defiently much more fun to shoot with! I love the idea of the ZF but I really need something that’s a solid hybrid camera to replace the XH2s - I’d like to get one in the future though just as a fun extra camera when funds allow it though

[@rockporttwentyseven]

maybe that fuji was just a bad copy. trading for another copy n testing it mite change your opinion of it.

[@rudermanphoto]

Haha it’s my third copy in 9 months, I’m done.

[@6042833]

Selling all my Fuji gear, AF is not good.

[@lostconnectone]

A7cii

[@drakeydrake1076]

Bro the Sony colours 🤮🤮🤮

[@doniherald7745]

is it the color or he can't process the raw?

[@cameraprepper7938]

"Just a tool" THAT is what Photographers need, not a posh hyped show gimmick !