We're In The Endgame Now

[@litcomicsproductions5359]

Marvel's problem for most movies of the past 4 years is that they have a character they want to sell you, but no script to do it with.

[@siddiqsmouse5004]

This is a perfect sentence!!

[@chadbrisco4042]

2019: Avengers: Endgame, Captain Marvel and Spider-Man: FFH all made a billion dollars. 2020: COVID-19 2021: Wandavision, Loki, Hawkeye, Shang-Chi and Spider-Man: NWH were all huge successes. The only real flops were Eternals and Falcon and the Winter Soldier. Black Widow was average. 2022: Moon Knight was garbage. You don't know if what really happened is Canon or if it's all in his mind. Doctor Strange: MOM was trash. Thor: Love and Thunder was too goofy. She-Hulk was unwatchable. Black Panther: Wakanda Forever was beautiful. 2023: Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania had no stakes. Everyone lived and Kang didn't seem like a big villain after all. Guardians 3 was the best movie since No Way Home. Secret Invasion was almost as unwatchable as She-Hulk and lastly marvel needed The Marvels to be a big hit. *SPOILERS AHEAD* All they came up with was an average movie that has highs (Ms. Marvels character, high stakes with Monica getting stuck in another universe and Kate Bishop showing up) and lows (A movie that doesn't know what it is. It even turns into a musical at one point.) It's been over the last two years, not four years.

[@chadbrisco4042]

@siddiqsmouse5004 Not really. 2019 had Endgame, Spider-Man: FFH and Captain Marvel which all made over a billion dollars. 2021 had Wandavision, Loki, Hawkeye, Shang-Chi and Spider-Man: NWH which were all major hits and the Eternals is kinda growing on me (mainly because of how bad the movies have been in 2022 and 2023) but Eternals is still messy. I'd also consider Black Widow kinda average but it's weird because it came out five years too late. I'd say the last two years were trash with projects like Moon Knight, Doctor Strange: MOM, Thor: Love and Thunder, She-Hulk, Ant-Man and The Wasp Quantumania and Secret Invasion all flopping.

[@berserkasaurusrex4233]

@@chadbrisco4042 Four years is 2020 to 2023, you shouldn't be counting 2019 in there at all. It falls beyond what @litcomicsproductions5359 was talking about. And Shang-Chi was a flop, not a "huge success". It probably lost $100 million, about as bad as Antman 3 actually. While Disney tries to blame the pandemic for the weak box office (for Black Widow and the Eternals as well), that's very disingenuous. NWH premiered only two months later, and it nearly broke $2 billion. The lockdowns were over well before SC's September 2021 premier, with most states having opened up a good year earlier than that. Also, while we'll never know the real viewer figures, it seems likely that Hawkeye was also a flop. It had no buzz online when it aired and even less since. At least people made videos about Loki's issues and Wandavision's poor ending. Hawkeye is much like Moon Knight: totally forgotten.

[@Mr.Alkebulan]

They may need to do a major scale back ! The need to focus on quality over quantity and other forms of media . There’s so many things like why isn’t there a M rated marvel gaming universe after 15 yrs? What is Jay Ong (Head of Marvel Gaming) doing ? Do we need to make a petition like what we did for Deadpool movie for that to happen with large KZbinrs and some polls For him ? Like what are the Disney executives doing this is so frustrating . I’ve wanted a open world Punisher “stealth predator “ with shades of Manhunt and immersion like a Fable / Skyrim game . The problem is these people don’t know how to please the consumer hopefully large KZbinrs like this and bigger ones and other can come together and get us those 10-20 million signatures necessary to expand the avenues of media .

[@Ben-zg8xk]

the mutliverse was handled terribly, they shouldve centred the mutliverse story around the heroes discovering the multiverse and having it be mysteroious. Instead they explained exactly how it worked and set out the rules and then every multiverse project after that completely ignored those rules

[@alwaysxnever]

Well stated. That is a definite issue. The point of nixing all the other Marvel projects was to bring everything under one umbrella and make shows to fill up the Disney + catalogue but all the creatives were not on the same page. This could have been a phase of team-ups. Alas

[@Ben-zg8xk]

@@alwaysxneverfr bro. The Disney + shows kinda suck and having them be required viewing to understand some movies is a terrible strategy. I also dislike how they aren’t treated like tv shows and just 6 hour movies. Give us shows that are actual shows and are just loosely connected to Mcu with some character crossover and they’d be good. Imagine if secret invasion was turned into a nico fury centred spy thriller where nick fury wasn’t frail and weak and had multiple seasons dealing with multiple threats. Or if she hulk was actually a competent legal show that was actually funny. Instead we get irrelevant 6 episode shows of characters who would’ve been supporting characters in the old mcu, even though the support haracters had there stories told just fine back then

[@tee_swag]

marvel trying too hard to do the "first live action of anything" just so their fantards think that they did it first in the comics lmao

[@rafinha7081]

I would love if all the heroes would in the same time had seems portals opening in front of them, quite like endgame, but instead of friends, it would be Kang or Ultron Prime. Just something that popped up

[@thespitefulartist]

Man this is spot on

[@FrumiousMing8]

Early phase 4 was actually really promising, WandaVision, Loki, Shang-Chi, and No Way Home actually felt kinda fresh and interesting. I'm surprised they didn't double-down on those projects and cultivating that feel. Like it's insane to me that we haven't seen Shang-Chi again yet. At least to my memory, that movie was so well received and everyone fell in love with the rising star that is Simi Liu. It would have been a slam dunk to make him one your main stars going forward. I don't understand Marvel as a studio anymore or their decision-making.

[@stephenshw2262]

they want a white woman to take center stage

[@rainn2115]

This channel hated no way home

[@GeneralTaco155555a]

Loki season 2 is fantastic, and can honestly be watched as a satisfying end to the Kang arc and finale to the MCU as whole if you're ready to walk away.

[@adamsavage2646]

feels weird to watch a good quality show then think "I'll never watch this studio again" I think people should just do whatever they want and not make assumptions based on reactionary "this is the end" concepts

[@Comicbroe405]

I really hope he talks about Loki. We've got some amazing Marvel stuff here but choosing to cover smtg we all know would be mid is weird.

[@thephoenixsystem6765]

ohh, I didn't realise the last ep would be out D: ... aw man i'll miss this

[@GeneralTaco155555a]

@@adamsavage2646 what better way to stop, than to end on a high note and one with a sense of finality to it? Disney will never stop making Marvel content as long as it keeps making them money. Nobody has the attention (or life) span for infinite content. Stopping watching is an inevitably; if someone is ready to stop and didn't after Endgame, now is a great time.

[@andycopeland7051]

Did the Kang arc even begin?

[@xpeter1000]

The end of Loki was the first thing that felt like old mcu in a while

[@FULANODETAL]

too bad it was too boring...4 episodes than ca be resumed in 1

[@ClairDeLume]

right?? honestly, atp, after finishing Loki, i think i might be done with the mcu now. (aside from deadpool 3, which i might go see still.) i doubt they'll have anything good come out in the next several years. i dont even have high hopes for secret wars at this rate.

[@FULANODETAL]

@@ClairDeLume the only last Hope is Daredevil séason 4

[@Jam-og1km]

Remember when phase 1 was 6 movies? One for each important character, an extra for Iron Man since he's the main character, and then a team up that was teased since day 1. Rather than a dozen separate shows that go nowhere with no clear direction for the future.

[@takewithfood]

Almost everything after the Infinity saga has felt like a quick cash grab to squeeze what's left out of the superhero genre with as little effort as possible. It's the same plan (or lack thereof) as the Star Wars sequels: they just assumed we love the IP so much we would watch anything in the brand. Well, they were dead wrong. What a shame, because there's still a lot of great stories to tell.

[@Avalon_1991]

Spiderman 4 with Tobey Maguire would be amazing. I'm surprised it hasn't happened after the reaction to Tobey Maguire's return in No Way Home. Except for the older Spiderman in Into The Spiderverse, we've never really got the older, tired Spiderman who has been doing it for decades. It could be like Ben Affleck's Batman. I was so disappointed that Ben Affleck's standalone Batman film was cancelled.

[@LynnHermione]

Tobey was already old and stiff in the FIRST spiderman, idk why yall like his dumb face, bad acting and completely wring body for the role

[@GODMCIC]

​@@LynnHermionehating on tobey is crazy

[@sealionstudios8597]

Genuinely, Spider-Man 4 would be on Force Awakens/Endgame levels of hype

[@sebicmiel4221]

@@LynnHermione calm down

[@NBATESdgm]

@@LynnHermione And still, his movies made over a billion dollars and were nominated for awards all across, became videogames, and he became so famous and so rich he didn't need to act for a living anymore. Watch him in Brothers, dumb face can act.

[@JamesRoyceDawson]

Jackman and Maguire doing secret wars sounds fucking awful. Seriously people, take the nostalgia goggles off. Let these franchises progress beyond actors who did these roles over two decades ago.

[@finnmacmanus5723]

Thank you I thought I was the only one genuinely severely disappointed that Jackman was back. After all the years of speculating who could take on the role it’s just the same fucking guy 20 years older

[@antismo9998]

​@@finnmacmanus5723Hugh Jackman is most likely just gonna come back as Wolverine for 1 or 2 movies. The MCU's X-Men (and, by extension, Wolverine) will be played by different people

[@_M....]

exactly, this video devoled into nonsense after he pointed out them mishandling Blade.

[@captainjakemerica4579]

I'm against a lot of these Multiverse castings also but if Hugh Jackman comes back for just one or two movies I'm fine with that

[@dott8348]

It seems good with them or someone else as a lead

[@shadician]

Marvel should have wrapped up the original Avenger stories after Endgame and then started building towards the new Avengers team by making *good* original standalone stories first, with some new big-bad in the background. Then team them up once everyone loves them. Same formula as the original Avengers, but new actors and stories to get behind.

[@trevturp6891]

Correction, Marvel should have wrapped up the original Avenger stories, after Spiderman Far From Home and then started building towards the new Avengers team by making good original standalone stories first, with some new big-bad in the background. Then team them up once everyone loves them. Same formula as the original Avengers, but new actors and stories to get behind.

[@MadMonkeyMightyBison]

It seems clear to me they had no plan after Endgame other than build to A force. They crit the bed with this multiverse saga, Kang has taken too many L's at this point to be taken seriously.

[@katherinealvarez9216]

I'm going to be perfectly honest. I don't care about this, but I do care about the VFX artists. Have they unionized?

[@FullFatVideos]

I’m pretty sure they have!!!!

[@katherinealvarez9216]

@@FullFatVideos good. I hope they can get the studio execs to stop exploiting them.

[@Braselton21]

Whoever directed Deadpool & John Wick need to handle Blade 😎

[@keiviroque5666]

One thing the MCU did during the Infinity Saga was hold some kind of event, around the end of each phase to connect all, if not most, of the prior characters in the phase. Phase 1 had the Avengers, Phase 2 had Ultron and, let’s face it, Civil War, and 3 had Infinity War and Endgame. The new phases don’t really have that, they just sort of expect for all of it to come together in Kang’s Dynasty and Secret Wars with no prior development. Most characters in the MCU now seem like they don’t at all exist in the wider world. Characters like Shang-Chi, The Eternals, and Moon Knight are so unimportant to the overall world, and so little mentioned, that it makes you wonder why they were even made. Sure, the Infinity Saga had that with Guardians, but those films atleast had a reason and would also help to expand on Thanos and the Infinity Stones.

[@TheRedAzuki]

I actually forgot that moon knight even existed

[@jahimuddin2306]

It is a shame that Shang-Chi and Moon Knight have been forgotten about considering how good they were.

[@ArchOfWinter]

Aside from No Way Home, the two seasons of Loki is the best thing post End Game. No doubt Covid threw a wrench into things. I feel like Marvel might have been too eager to create the next big threat. Having a few lower budget, lower stake, and less interconnected movies early on post End Game might have been a good way to prevent the current catch up fatigue that many viewers feel. Then slowly build the big threat back up. Back to basic of Phase One. Only Thor and Captain American actually felt like required watching plot wise for the first Avenger movie, the Iron Man(s) and Hulk were more character introduction rather than contributing to the plot.

[@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom]

GOTG 3

[@trevturp6891]

Yes Way Godawful isn't one of the best MCU projects post Endgame.

[@jonathandoering6499]

Been ages since your last video bro, so happy to see you back.

[@FullFatVideos]

Thank you means a lot!!!

[@JasonWendleton]

I hate how much sense this man is making.

[@theelephantintheroom69]

Does anyone else feel like Loki season 2's ending will be used as a convenient excuse to stop putting Jonothan Majors/Kang in the rest of the MCU after his legal/criminal allegations? Edit: I know people will ask - it's domestic violence charges against him

[@Chuck_EL]

Ezra Miller and Amber Heard weren't fired and I don't remember any channels constantly wanting them fired In fact they kept making excuses for them known criminals Yet everyone obsessed with lying on Majors? It's because he's actually good and people can't accept a black man being the face of the MCU Prove me wrong

[@Theofficialtino]

If only Kevin Feige and the other Marvel executives watched Full Fat Videos…

[@thomasbennett0]

Most of the causes that's causing the MCU's recent problems are out of Marvel's control. •Writers strike •Actors strike •Johnathan Major legal problems

[@johnbuffo1870]

Get this man into the writing room.

[@FullFatVideos]

Cheers!!!

[@thephoenixsystem6765]

Do it.

[@undying_artv2]

I love FFH but we have no idea if he can write , he can certainly criticise writing

[@vincenta8652]

Everyone acting like Covid and the actors strike didn’t affect Everything. You keep hearing this lame excuse about homework but anyone who watched anything so far knows none of it is required viewing expect for one tv show. You also all act like the first avengers team came together faster when none of them had appearance outside their own film but iron man before the team up This new phase started in earnest in 2021 and most of the new avengers have been shown and are already coming together … and it’s only been two years. Your just literally making shit up for clicks from the nes who are gonna bitch about marvel despite clearly not being arching any of it. Big ass L of a video

[@teddanson37]

The reason Marvel ain't bringing Wesley Snipes around for Blade again is probably obvious if you've ever heard any stories about Wesley Snipes working on Blade movies.

[@VibingJon]

Honestly if they wanted to end the whole Kang storyline after Loki S2. I wouldn't even mind. Like they left the door open for Kang to be a threat, but honestly I could fully see the end of Loki being the end of Kang as a multiversal threat.

[@spiralroad2327]

I think the perfect time to get people excited for X-Men mutants was Multiverse of Madness. You had Charles Xavier and Wanda Maximoff appearing in the same movie, but both characters are killed off tragically. It was a confusing decision, especially for the Wanda fans out there.

[@WanderTheNomad]

Seems like it was just to troll the fans "look! a possible crossover between the MCU and the X Men!" "haha jk you thought"

[@dunstonlion1342]

After Endgame, Marvel should have taken a small break and gone dark for a little bit. Really spend some time identifying who the core characters would be going forward, what their main themes would be, and a general starting location for everyone. It feels so much like they're just firing from the hip, and if they don't really care to have any real consistency, it's hard for me to care about what's happening.

[@nellie4621]

Right the characters in the Infinity saga symbolized something and they grew from their starting flaws, the current movies..don't do that? You can't continue characters' journeys and not pin point where it starts and how it ends, it's directionless, there isn't a thread woving the movies and characters together to a climax and the viewers can SEE that. To be honest some Infinity saga movies had this problem also but those problems got fixed in later movies that upon a rewatch, you don't even see it as flaw. But currently they're not even bothering to tie the threads together and the viewers just sit there like "what's the point?" it's frustrating. Because it was fixable, perhaps still is actually but with their trackrecord these last 4 years, I don't see them fixing it. Such a bummer.

[@Henlak-]

The past 4 years has made it clear that they did not have a clear vision of what to do after endgame. We now have an awkward mix of old and new characters who don't mix well and don't get to interact.

[@dannypalin9583]

The "leaks" going around about Secret Wars become more and more plausible with every new instalment. Specifically that the plot is about the TVA rallying a team of multiversal heroes against Kang. Apparently, Tobey Maguire, Hugh Jackman and Ryan Reynolds are the main stars. That feels just like old times. Remember when Spider-Man and Wolverine would show up on the front covers of stories that had nothing to do with them? I can completely buy the theory that Secret Wars will completely bank on the fanservice of Tobey Maguire, Hugh Jackman and Robert Downey Jr meeting up with each other.

[@thephoenixsystem6765]

Had to stop watching to say, the edit from 6:59 is SO GODDAMN GOOD WHAT THE HELL 7:51 far as I'm concerned it should be up to you, little though my opinion counts.

[@jdrmanmusiqking]

BRO! I didnt even notice how maticulous that edit was until i rewatched Fuckin professional grade that was amazing

[@blaykerietman6965]

Toby's Spidey, Ni Cage Ghostrider, Hugh's Wolverine, Snipes' Blade and Eric Banner's Hulk. Deadpool makes them all fight but go on to all team up in secret wars

[@blankepiphany4154]

My favorite part of this video is when you say what a concept and then the song starts playing out of nowhere

[@anthonymcgrath]

that spidey/wolvering fight/roar montage was gold hehehe!

[@FullFatVideos]

Cheers!!!

[@alazkaalazka6087]

The Death of Chadwick Bossman was the worst thing to happen to Marvel post Endgame. Chadwick & Tom Holland we’re supposed to be carrying the MCU rn

[@sleepingalligator]

I feel like the "best" way to salvage mcu right now to retcon everything that happened after end game, stay silent about everything for at least 5 years, and do either 1 or 2 movies, or one big series a year, leading up to another grand saga, and start experimenting with stuff more

[@ThePonderer]

The feeling you’re talking about in this video is why I envy the average everyday viewer who doesn’t really spend all that much time on social media or KZbin and isn’t inundated with the constant news and rumors and theorizing and discourse. Marvel Studios is definitely in a valley following the peak of the Infinity War/Endgame era, but I feel like their woes have been grossly exaggerated by the internet discourse machine that’s hungry for their to be a “big story” about the franchise, when if you look at their history what’s happening lately isn’t too far off from business as usual. As you said, it’s not really a matter of quality at this point. KZbin and social media create a poisonous, cynical cloud of circular discussion about the franchise that’s more tiring than the movies or shows could ever dread to be in a vacuum. Whenever I find myself resenting my status as an MCU fan, it’s never because of what they put out, but always because of the inescapable fandom baggage. But that’s just how I feel about it.

[@killgriffinnow]

"Whenever I find myself resenting my status as an MCU fan, it’s never because of what they put out, but always because of the inescapable fandom baggage." The writers and the "fandom baggage" are two sides of the same coin. You think the writers are not affected by the fandom discourse? You think The Last Jedi was NOT a direct response to the fan theories that plagued the internet for 4 years? Even SOUTH PARK acknowledged that Kathleen Kennedy is basically just another part of the "fandom wars", and that her stories are just shots in said war. To try and seperate the MCU and what they put out from the "fandom baggage" is incredibly naieve in my opinion.

[@Matkatamiba]

In what way can they actually recover back to anything close what they were doing before. Even if the quality wasn't bad, people are burnt out on superhero movies.

[@jiopa]

@@Matkatamiba People are burnt out on generic superhero movies.

[@nalday2534]

​@@jiopa*superhero movies in general

[@ThePonderer]

@@killgriffinnowI disagree

[@weerrpp]

For all my ERB fans From Thanos vs J Robert Oppenheimer: We're in the endgame now tinky winkie

[@zachryder3150]

"Labour conditions in my shop? I don't sweat 'em" - ERB Walt Disney

[@KnowledgeIsRandom]

Thank youuuuuuuu! That's what immediately came up to my mind when i saw the title lol

[@weerrpp]

@@KnowledgeIsRandom Me too lmao

[@addex1236]

And I'll finish this like Ant-Man all up in your stinky

[@MW-3002]

Marvel should have made the decision to take a break post endgame to come up with a new direction. It seems as though Marvel cares more about how much they put out instead of the overall quality of the films they make which made them great in the first place.

[@pbnjon9650]

The king was busy with Prima Nocta but when the world needed him the most, full fat returned!

[@MademoiselleRed1390]

I really don't care too much for the legacy characters except for Andrew's Spiderman. The rest I think we've seen enough. In fact even Deadpool who at least makes sense would be involved with the old characters has me feeling hesitant. I feel like Wanda (not to mention Evan Peters) have been wasted too . I was looking forward to new Xmen and F4 when things were still good. Now it's hard to be hopeful when Marvel is dropping the ball as often as DC now. At this point I'm more interested and rooting for James Gunn's DC if anything.

[@henrygambles3652]

Just Imagine Spider-Man 4 being done well with Tobey’s Spidey balancing his super hero life and married life with MJ as well as being a father and forced to face his greatest enemy yet the Sinister Six(or maybe just the Vulture if you want just the one villain), Or X-Men 4 finally introducing Mr Sinister who is working with a resurrected Apocalypse or Blade 4 having Blade deal with the aftermath of Killing Dracula by facing his daughter

[@milk6982]

I think a decent way to fix kang in the current time is to ditch the infinite multiverse idea and say there are a finite (but massive) anount of multiverses, each slightly malleable to account for inconsequential free-will choices. this makes the amount of kangs finite and beatable rather than being infinite and unbeatable

[@SolarE845]

One of the strengths of the early marvel films was that sharacters were introduced slowly and they waited for the core characters to be well established before adding in other characters. If they'd started with Iron Man, Cap, Thor, Strange, Ant-man, Black panther, Guardians etc. all in phase one before an avengers film it wouldn't have had the same charm. I'm still on the MCU train, it just seems to be very hit or miss, especially this year. I think the best thing for them creatively to keep people invested is to make it so you don't need to watch every show/movie to get the overall narrative, obviously as a business they want to get as many people into seats as possible so they will continue with that model.

[@manz7860]

They peaked with Infinite War and Endgame. Its just as simple as that. The superhero genre just ran its course, like it did with zombies in 2010.

[@essenby123]

Banking on a cameo to save the project... Not having the script to make you care about the character... This is Disney Star Wars' problem as well 😢

[@madisonlee2203]

I don't understand how you could like Monica Rambo. After "they'll never understand what you sacrificed for them" 😂🤦🤦

[@billymanziel5666]

That sizzle reel of footage in the middle of the video made me realize how fucking cool those movies are compared to the MCU. Bland green screen shooting lasers out of their hands vs practical effects, flipping stunt doubles around on wires on actual sets designed by set designers, nice cinematography etc

[@Dumbstuffwatcher]

Found myself starting Loki S2 last night and it's really the only thing that's breaking the Marvel Formula. It was frustrating at first to see an extended scene of two guys eating pie and talking, but, after Secret Invasion being slavishly dedicated to the Formula to its extreme detriment, the wackiness, the far-out concepts, and the focus on characters in Loki are truly refreshing. I also very much appreciated Werewolf By Night explicitly saying it was in its own separate universe. Marvel cannot just be people punching each other + firing energy beams if it's going to keep interest up, and the multiverse concept can't be more important than good character work

[@pixology8622]

9:41 This makes zero sense though. The point of Kang is that he is a multiversal constant, in every reality there is a Kang variant who is testing the fabric of reality and playing with time. Making him ONE variant across the entire multiverse gets rid of his appeal.

[@hoen1x]

Loki Season 2 is seriously one of the best things to come from Marvel since Endgame. Hands down fantastic. I think maybe given that Loki was more popular and was actually good through and through they should maybe focus more around that. Different timelines through the lens of the TVA with Deadpool 3 and the other characters that need to show up. This season gave me a lot of hope but I know so many other projects are a complete mess so I just don’t know anymore. Still willing to give some a shot but there are some I know for sure are not worth my time like The Marvels.

[@CyberSonic-V3.0]

How the mighty have fallen.

[@BetarayBillLover]

It feels like for every 1 good project they have they have 3 bad ones

[@FullFatVideos]

This is it, people point to the good projects post endgame but the reality is every single bit of good is sandwiched between piles and piles of ass

[@Jptm26]

I'm actually super ok with live action superhero "content" taking a break and seeing it more instead with animation and video games. Both mediums have been thriving with the superhero genre and clearly have the creative freedom to do a lot more than anything in live action that we've seen done with bad effects a 1000 times

[@andramontgomery326]

Wow... if Full Fat just got here... things are bad. He's always so positive.

[@FullFatVideos]

I try to be!

[@andramontgomery326]

@FullFatVideos I've been there for awhile, but I always enjoy your stuff. You're a great essayist and I'm sorry to see this brand let you down.

[@FullFatVideos]

Thank you for sticking around! And it’s okay, these plenty of good stories out there!

[@userunknown9655]

The phase 4 disney+ shows should have followed the example of agents of shield and branched off in their own direction, telling an isolated story about the remaining secondary characters while have a clean slate of new movies with new hero's to establish. This way, audiences wouldn't need to watch every piece of content for major plot points. Instead, the shows would be small, contained stories that provide context and nuance to the mcu universe that's interesting but not necessary. And your point about re-establishing old characters from other universes absolutely makes sense since they're all mcu cannon now.

[@DavidSikfoi]

I think that some of Marvel's woes don't have anything to do with Marvel at all. It's viewer fatigue that may be temporary or may be a paradigm shift altogether. Up until COVID happened, there was a significant trend of making movies BIGGER, FASTER, STRONGER all the time and the insane success of the MCU and the superhero genre was probably the peak of that. You could see major franchises and directors trying to emulate that and failing to do so(like Star Wars, although quality-wise I'm not on the anti-Disney bandwagon, more like sitting on the fence). But I think this way of doing films and doing business in the movie industry actually peaked with Endgame and before people were even past the post-nut clarity phase, BOOM, here comes the lockdown and everything slows down to a previously unimaginable point. Our lives changed and people changed a bit, too. I think the initial series attempts, like WandaVision were well-received, because they were somewhat the opposite of the cinematic form that people got accustomed to, but Marvel has yet to find the formula that would work best long-term in the cinemas of the post-COVID world, because what worked during the 2010s, doesn't work so well now. Audiences starting yearning something different and that is hurting the big franchises, because when it comes to them, many people who were fans previously, always want to get the same feeling and vibe from them. They have expectations towards a franchise, based on their previous experiences and previous selves that those franchises may not be able to fulfill anymore, because the lay of the land changed, the franchise changed, the fans changed. Big franchises are struggling, while OG stuff, like Barbie and Oppenheimer made HUGE box-office hits this summer and were also mostly well-recieved pieces. We'll have to see if that was a flash in the pan or not, a lucky circumstance or good guerilla marketing, but it's a warning sign. As a wrestling fan, it's also a warning sign of changing times, that WWE has been able to grow their business through slowing the F down and pacing the storytelling a lot differently than wrestling has been doing it for the past 25-30 years. They're taking the time to build, and earn their success through creating anticipation, instead of shocking and wow-ing their audience. Patience will be key for the MCU as well, because if current trends in entertainment have any longevity to them, we may find ourselves in a world where audiences have very different triggers than they used to.

[@soreg666alex]

Yeah. I never was a big hyped fan of MCU, but I was keeping up with main characters and story. After the War the whole multiverse feels like such a disjointed mess that there's no anchor of interest. There was a couple of somewhat OK standalone movies like Shang Chi, but I don't have any idea what the overarching narrative is or who is it for. It's just a blur of characters and plots which are too complicated to care about. It feels like either "closing the unfinished point from previous phase" or "ANOTHER new IP". Fuck that.

[@RoastymyToasty9001]

I remember I was looking forward to the Multiverse Saga almost as much as the climax of the Infinity Saga because we’d get to see so many beloved characters come to the big (or small) screen either for the first time or returning after so many years, She-Hulk, Moon Knight, America Chavez, and the return of characters like Garfield’s Spider-Man (don’t care what anyone says I have a soft spot for those movies), and Jackman’s Wolverine. Even the opportunity to reinvent characters like Shang-Chi and the Eternals both of which come from either convoluted or controversial pasts. Many of the characters I’ve mentioned have either been okay but most have been absolutely butchered. It’s actually impressive to take a character like She-Hulk who has such a rich history, great and quirky personality and absolutely ruin everything about her. Marvel has significantly dropped the ball and you’re right it may be too late to save themselves which is truly a damn shame.

[@SirMeowsAlot89]

They really should have never named a movie The Endgame. Because a lot of people definitely agreed. And stopped going to the movies after endgame.

[@adibrata6472]

Marvel's decision to release one film next year would prove everybody wrong. Cinemas needs Marvel for their appeal to audience. Their films are mostly events. I can predict that the total box office revenue next year would be lower than this year.

[@michaelahurt]

*were events Cinemas will be fine. There were blockbusters before Marvel, there will be blockbusters after Marvel. Th biggest event movies in years were this past summer with Barbie, Oppenheimer and Sound of Freedom all showing at the same time. (And they all made money; unlike Disney movies.)

[@zero1188]

When they added tv series thats what killed it. Rushed and too much to keep up with to understand whats going on

[@unorthodoxbox]

The thing that annoys me is the Multiverse Saga should be my kind of jam, I like when comic book films go into the weird and strange and comic bookish. So far though it’s been meh. I wasn’t much into the Infinity Saga so when I heard about this I thought Marvel doing the multiverse would be awesome, outside of Loki it’s been like a wet fart.

[@chrisb8331]

Bro you’re spitting facts rn. Just take Fiege’s job right now.

[@georgeskate78]

I love how people are still talking about Maguire and Garfield’s Spider-Man. Has no one thought that maybe they don’t want to another one. That doing another one will just lead to typecasting in their resume. Why hang a dead horse? If you truly loved the performances of these actors appreciate that and let it go because if they listened to the general public they’ll be saying “just one more” until goes stale and as memory serves me I don’t remember fans begging or excited for tasm 3 film before it’s cancelling. I feel that a lot fans just want this character back and to have films like this again. Like do you not want an exploration of new characters. I’ve seen the three x men films and loved them, especially the first one but I’ve moved on

[@edkraken7011]

Am I the only one who doesn't want to see the old spiderman, the old wolverine and the old franchises in general being dragged in new movies? Too lazy, too easy and they'll be a fan fiction, just like the star wars sequels. Just write some fucking good stories and DON'T ruin my childhood trying to get us hyped.

[@oleksandrbyelyenko435]

Loki is good. For better or worse it is the best thing there is in the MCU

[@isaiahbridges7442]

No lol

[@oleksandrbyelyenko435]

@@isaiahbridges7442 lol yes

[@Rozenxz]

Love this channel

[@Comicbroe405]

Kinda crazy that on the same day that Marvels released we got the Loki S2 finale which was just peak. Echo has my interest but other than DP 3 I ain't looking forward to much.

[@undahandz]

Everything well said ! I’ve honestly lost almost all interest in watching any marvel shows or movies, part of me still hopes it changes and I’m once again captivated

[@tlock8592]

Hinestly would hate Blade 4, X men 4, spiderman 4. Its just so creatively lazy but also its not 2002 anymore. You cant go back to childhood. Id rather we get new versions of these characters and new mcu characters in general than spend 3 movies on 2000s nostalgia.

[@melodymsg]

The fact that all the ideas you presented that would generate any excitement are some variation of nostalgia baiting, reboot of a beloved property, or straight up non MCU content is very telling for the state of the MCU

[@OmnipotentSpud]

I actually truly believe Disney is purposefully killing the MCU. They don't have the balls to just say they don't want to make superhero movies anymore, so their just putting less effort into it. The Mcu has literally been around for almost 2 decades.

[@jdrmanmusiqking]

Bro, that edit from 6:50 - 7:50 is IMMACULATE holy shit

[@MattMan_93]

I think if you added Snipes' Blade alongside Jackman's Wolverine and Maguire's Spider-Man to make that new core three you mentioned in Secret Wars, that would be extremely satisfactory.

[@jenniferri7735]

i gave up on the MCU after wandavision. kind of want to check out loki season 2, but i’ve forgotten pretty much the entirety of season 1 so a rewatch would be needed.

[@johnstar8841]

Yeah, I 100% agree with you, there’s good MCU projects, but there needs to be more interconnectivity, I’d suggest delaying some projects that don’t connect to the multiverse for after Secret Wars, and start making more movies set in other universes, I’m glad there’s movies like Cap 4, DS3, DP3, and SC2 to help build up the teams and establish the relationships, Sony and Marvel should be working with each other to make the Sony films good, and also connect both universes to each other

[@ZaLewdWarudo]

I'd rather there be no interconnectivity. I'm fucking tired of it. I want to be able to watch the shit I want without needing to do homework to know who the fuck is on screen. I don't have time for these silly connected universes anymore. Make good single standalone films.

[@AvatarTrev6]

Well Loki Season 2 finale showed us the best project since end game. Love all your videos but your missing out. Jonathon majors is amazing

[@StrongandGrand]

This is a phenomenal title! How appropriate.

[@lszel]

Your idea sounds amazing

[@alcoholicgoat]

My theater for The Killer was pretty packed surprisingly. I'm glad you dug it, I was a bit let down by the experience. I wish the movie was stronger since I'm also advocating more "original" films being shown theatrically (I know it's based on a graphic novel, but a Fincher movie is a different animal from an MCU movie)

[@OMACexperiment]

The day these movie stop making money, and WB and DC are in a financial difficulty, we will see Batman and Spiderman share the same screen in cinemas for the first time.

[@superjumpbros64]

I could just imagine a spiderman 4 movie whee it ends with Kang blasting into the Rami universe and cutting away and a Wolverine post credit screen where Dr. STRANGE enters with Tobey Maaguire to recruit Wolverine or something

[@iambuhlockay8007]

I’m not opposed to Tobey showing up in the MCU again, but if there’s a 4th Raimi film I want it to be stand alone.

[@superjumpbros64]

@iambuhlockay8007 yeah, like a standalone tobey movie with an end credit scene like this. My bad for not being specific

[@VuddyProductions]

i dropped marvel wayy wayyy ago when it first started going awry in phase 4. felt overstuffed but with nothing good.

[@SirMeowsAlot89]

I would assume Weasley snipes hasn’t been asked back to basically any film studio after blade 3. Look up how he behaved on that set. Do you blame other studios for not wanting to work with him?

[@tommy_swim243]

Tobeys spiderman could easily become the live action Peter B Parker. I wanna see it happen so badly. He’s literally been set up the same way.

[@DinoDave150]

Or at the very least you could set up a Spider-Girl movie set in the Raimi universe. Either way I'd be game.

[@WhiskerDooz]

Their personalities aren't even close. So , no. Bad idea.

[@theweedeater1842]

peter b is literally just tobey no.2, it makes way too much sense to not happen

[@TabalugaDragon]

@@theweedeater1842 they are 2 completely different people. Peter B. Parker is silly and a comic relief, Tobey is serious and "tragic".

[@telltellyn]

I hate the idea of focusing more on legacy characters from old films, reeks of lazy fan service.

[@thomasbennett0]

It isn't really the fall. X Men 97 is doing really well and Deadpool 3 is going to be a success. That's 2, maybes 11 if you count every single episode of X Men 97 on it's own, successes for Marvel in a single year. That's better than what Sony's doing with their stand alone "Spiderman" movies with them only having 1 success every few years, that one success being the animated Spiderverse movies.

[@RayMcElroy50]

Deadpool 3 might be the last thing left from the MCU that is still worth checking out

[@FullFatVideos]

I agree. It gives me an old school MCU feeling, which is funny because it’s about the Fox verse

[@GothAtheist]

Clearly you weren't payimg any attention the last 4 phases then

[@GothAtheist]

​@FullFatVideos Yes, becasue Secret Wars isn't happening. Venom 3, and we're definitely not interested in seeing King in Black at all, or Dark Reign, or the Clone Saga, or any of that. Obviously your opinion is the same as everyone else's opinion because you said so, so clearly DP3 is the last thing any real fans care about, even though normies aren't fans. Thank you so much for telling us what to think and like.

[@spider-man500]

​@@GothAtheistWhat's with all the bitching?

[@cthellis]

Champing at the bit.

[@micahbell5572]

As an MCU fan, i'll keep watching and enjoying for as long as they keep making.

[@Salazareo]

What I’m really hoping to get is a proper finale for Thor as a character. Love and thunder felt really more of a weird side quest without any impact to me. Specially after the fantastic Loki finale I really feel the last of the big 3 avengers needs a proper conclusion.

[@20thCenturyFav]

Man I am so sick of negativity and cynicism. Everyday people spelling the end for anything over a few minor missteps that they could easily bounce back from.

[@MMartinVideo]

He’s back!

[@Lobster_Dance]

I was with you until you started designing your vision for a “new” multiverse saga completely designed around the 2000’s Fox and Sony movies. Yikes. I don’t want to drink the nostalgia tea, and I sure am not ready to be drinking from the firehouse of 2000’s nostalgia

[@brobs0463]

I was really hoping the villain was a Ronan variant. She isn't, she's just a random person

[@ThePonderer]

…why would you hope that?

[@brobs0463]

@@ThePonderer Because…

[@ThePonderer]

@@brobs0463because why?

[@brobs0463]

@@ThePonderer why not, it's on theme with multiverse stuff and you can tell they wanted Ronan so invented 'Ronan but worse'

[@ThePonderer]

@@brobs0463that’s not a good reason

[@carealoo744]

6:50 what is this music??

[@lorinkramerone]

Ah yes, the classic approach of, "the MCU would be fine if they only followed my very specific vision about what's cool and ignored IP ownership, how long it takes to make movies, and actor role preferences" Seriously, all your takes are right, but they're impossible, so they're wrong. The MCU *needs* to establish new actors in new roles. No one wants to play the same character for 20 years, which is why franchises eventually die. You're right that they're doing it wrong now, but your proposed solution is ludicrous. Marvel is just facing the exact same problem every other studio faced when they tried to create a cinematic universe in that they aren't just replicating the phase 1 release schedule exactly with 4 new heroes. Endgame essentially pushed a hard reboot of the franchise, but they're making the same mistake as every other movie studio in the past 15 years in thinking that the phrase "cinematic universe" will get butts in seats

[@philovermyer6166]

The Achilles Heel of the MCU right now is, from my perspective, that we went from a shared universe with a building plot and films that borrowed from other genres to get us a cohesive world and a grand finale to "well what do we do next?" and a bunch of films and miniseries without a tight narrative and theme that helps us want to see the conclusion. The summing up of all the problems in one movie is The Eternals. A group of characters that we're introduced to late in the game, with a backstory that they have to run through quickly to get us caught up on who these people are and why we should care about them, we have to go through why exactly they sat out the big bad of Endgame, quickly set the cataclysmic stakes of the film, introduce a villain, and then the movie is over the world is saved and we wait for a post credit scene that...sets up a sequel to that film and a teaser for more characters to be added to the MCU. As opposed to something like Captain America: First Avenger which did only marginally better box office. We get introduced to who the main bad guy is, what the stakes are, who our hero is, all in the first little bits of the film and then we transition into a WW2 period piece style of film that we get to explore who these characters are and what they're about. We wrap it up with the day is saved, we have some threads that aren't tied up but also aren't direct sequel bait, we don't introduce tons of cameo characters, and the post credit scenes tease a larger plot that our boy Cap is going to get wrapped up in and we're itching to see the big team-up. We've seen Kang a small handful of times, only about 1/3 of the content or less has been setting us up for our next climactic milestone, we keep getting more and more characters added to the MCU that nobody asked for. We went from Iron Man, Cap, Hulk, Blackwidow, Thor, and Hawkeye to The Eternals, Thor, Hulk, She Hulk, Shang-Chi, White Vision, Iron Heart, Captain Marvel, Ms. Marvel, Moon Knight, Kate Bishop, 2 iterations of Ant-Man and 2 iterations of the Wasp, Cassie Lang, Spider-man, Doctor Strange, America Chavez, possibly Black Panther, the new Guardians of the Galaxy, Valkyrie, and hints at half a dozen other characters like Daredevil existing alongside those characters not to mention the slate of adding 2 more whole teams and a whole new concept of powered individuals to the world with Deadpool 3, Fantastic Four, and the X-men all being pushed in. And we've still only seen or heard about Kang in the MCU like 4 times!!! The big bad and his context for being the big bad and we've barely been teased about it and how it effects alllll these characters. In the first 3 phases we at least got proper teased with Thanos just really really wanting the Infinity Stones and each movie gets us a little closer to what they can do and why Thanos wants them culminating in Infinity War where we get to see Thanos proper and all the payoff from each film gets delivered on. With Kang we get none of this, the first time we see him it all gets spelled out and then we don't see him for great swaths of releases at a time with his next big showing being Quantumania which honestly if they hadn't shoehorned in Kang as the baddie for that film it would have been much more palatable. I don't know if it's Disney trying to clog the box office or them not proper vetting their writers and directors or Feige not really knowing what to do with the media post Endgame but at this point the MCU is a bloated mess amalgamating everything it touches into itself like Tetsuo after attempting to absorb Akira.

[@LordCornshoe]

Thunderbolts without Zemo or Hawkeye or even introducing Songbird isn't Thunderbolts.

[@Moonlyyte]

What a shame because Loki S2 and the Marvels are some of the best MCU content theyve dropped since Endgame. But its just a tad too late. I just hope they can find some way to come back

[@ValDraper]

Yeah, they were both solid.

[@user-Marrk]

It's good know that people who think there is anything good about Loki or The Marvels are in the minority, otherwise Disney would be rewarded for releasing garbage content.

[@Moonlyyte]

@user-Marrk You're definitely in the minority about people enjoying Loki bud 😂. Haven't heard a single person say it's bad yet

[@user-Marrk]

@@Moonlyyte Lol, Loki is soo good it's numbers are dismal compared to season 1. Ofc, if you ignore all the people saying it's bad then you will find no one says it's bad. Maybe you're in an echo chamber? Wouldn't surprise me.

[@Moonlyyte]

@user-Marrk I'm not in an echo chamber. I've seen plenty of criticism of the Marvels and previous mcu projects. And the numbers are down for Loki and the Marvels because of the Strike where none of the stars could promote the film. It appears you're the one in the the echo chamber

[@theginganaut9254]

Disney doesn't want to pay anyone RDJ levels ever again. 😅 Enter diverse new heroes you can tick boxes with but also pay less, relegating legacy heroes to TV show, again to pay less.....🤬

[@iOnRX9]

people are spoiled,….and…jaded