How Long Does Ten Hag Have Left?! | Paddock Podcast

[@FullTimeDevils]

Are you ten Hag IN or OUT? 🤔

[@blackjono2000]

If he gets destroyed by next two matches, he should go. I hate to say it

[@jtominey860]

Out

[@mudevilsbackyard]

In

[@jumabantu279]

Still Ten hag in (barely) but still reeling from that humbling by Spurs which I pray somehow was a blip and the manager can get a grip of this season before it's too late. He is not doing himself any favours with these type of capitulations and embarrassing performances.

[@drogharapetian9730]

Erik ten Hag took over United 3 months before Unai Emery took over at Villa We are in 12th and in Europa They are in 5th and UCl

[@Raybo78]

What I agree with is Ronaldo askin how many times with this discussion, but realistically its not over 8 months it's how many times over the last 10 years, because I guarantee if you look back at your own clips, this convo has happened for EVERY manager in the last decade, no manager is coming in and changing anything until this ingrained mentality is chiseled away and not filtered down to every new signing we make.

[@coconutzmilk]

Facts! There's a reason players come and suddenly look bad. The opposite used to happen at this club where average players would look great. It's not necessarily coaching. It's the culture and the mentality. And until that changes, nothing will.

[@dairefinnie1533]

@Raybo78 simple..every manager was the wrong choice.

[@Raybo78]

@dairefinnie1533 by that logic we've tried most styles of manager so then who's the right manager?

[@Raybo78]

Does it not make sense after 10 years that maybe it's an ingrained mentality problem not a manager problem? The senior players in that dressing room set the tone for every new signing, im talkin Shaw, Rashford, and now even Maguire, these are the long term players and it only takes one of them to not like a manager to infect the rest of the squad, it's time we let these players know that they can no longer sack a manager and give them a choice....Play foe that badge or leave, then maybe we'll see change imo

[@DylJ420]

I'm not ten hag in, I'm not ten hag out. We've seen these same problems manager after manager. If we win the next 2 games and EtH stays, we all know a game like yesterday will happen again eventually, if a new manager comes in, we all know a game like yesterday will happen again eventually too. Feels hopeless either way.

[@King_Jay...]

Many people seem to forget the history of the club post-Fergie. Ten Hag, didn't inherit a good team and we still aren't a good team. Everything has been shit post-Fergie

[@DylJ420]

@@King_Jay... yep, these aren't exclusively EtH problems, they are our club post SAF problems.

[@brianmcsherry1338]

@@King_Jay... completely different fergie didn’t have 5 transfer windows and spend over 600m and all bar a few of his signings be rubbish and have no style of play

[@stephenorr2516]

​@brianmcsherry1338 fergie didn't win a trophy for 4 years and finished 13th and 11th.

[@KEggelhoefer]

Whilst I understand what you are saying...we get beat badly under ETH. Conceding +3 goals per game under ETH 25 times is crazy

[@robertanderson6841]

Ronaldo, we played false nines, we played deep and countered, we have overloaded, tried pressing, to act like ETH hasn’t changed things up to get results is ridiculous. Everyone complained at that point though and said this isn’t how Ajax played, why can’t he get a style of play and stick with it. We complain one way, then he changes it and we complain that way… come on guys, stop letting players get off with, “we don’t buy in”, since there only job as players is to do what manager is telling them…

[@dealwithitsloth]

He’s a teenager.

[@oscarsuarez8768]

This was a good episode. The frustration the fellas are feeling is adamant through this podcast. They keep disagreeing with each other much like the fan base. Their frustration is all of ours.

[@ATWOOD726]

Well said.

[@capadam1440]

Even if he falls into the waffling on a bit trap the rest of the Pad do, Ronaldo gives such a good balance to these debates and is closest to nailing the absurdity of ETH. Scotty would be funny on these too 😂 Ronny & Scotty vs Howson & Joe is the new Batman vs Superman

[@donaldmccabe975]

I don’t know whether Paddock read their comments, but I just want to say: Lads, I genuinely appreciate you. Thanks for helping me smile again after yesterday.

[@maxkelly6664]

We’ll get through it together, GGMU

[@patrickhannon8126]

TalkSport probably spunked in their pants after that result yesterday. They’ve been gunning for ETH since day one.

[@pistol-pete77]

😂😂 so true Gaby was defo frubeing it out

[@patrickhannon8126]

⁠I just looked up what ‘frubing’ was on urban dictionary & it really made me laugh 😂

[@jimmcgill3885]

Ignore gobby he's a prick

[@ClarionCaww]

Just heard Miguel Delaney on Irish radio. Has been ridiculing him ever since he took over. Was just saying there that PSG and Bayern knew the players they sold us weren't that good and Ineos fell for it. Complete toad of a journalist

[@leonpalmer2429]

Well has he proved them wrong. I need to know what fans are seeing that I'm not. Anyway all the fans that want him to stay enjoy another year of heartbreak

[@archiedelamy6122]

I don't get when people say give him 2 more games.. Do they think he'll magically become a great manager? What if he wins the next 2,draws the 2 after, loses one... Etc etc.. He's either good enough or not.. And he's clearly now up to it.

[@TheMufc123]

Same thing they did with the fa cup final, he should have been sacked regardless like they did with van gaal

[@TwoWheeledStories]

The weird thing for me with this one is that usually I’m annoyed or gutted when we lose and looking forward the positives but this one I just kind of switched off to it, like I don’t want to hope anymore because every time there’s a slight positive we get bumped right back down.

[@khubaibmahfooz8197]

Big facts!

[@dannydude007321]

This is probably weird to say.. but it's amazing to see how Ronaldo has grown as a man since I first saw him on Paddock/xG (not just his arms) Dude backs his corner and doesn't allow people to bamboozle him into agreeing with them because they think he might be an easy flip Sounds like a dig at Joe, but I'm a top slopper and actually love you all equally

[@Hndrx88]

I think a good question would be : are we closer to city, Liverpool, arsenal then we were 2-3 seasons ago? I would say no, we are not. In fact, we are even behind spurs, Newcastle and villa at the moment. So, where is that progress everyone is talking about?

[@tygerrruk5908]

Spot on

[@cancorder1]

You’re so so close - keep at it this manager will achieve great things

[@Stegibbon]

​@cancorder1 the amount of time ten hag has been in charge, arteta was cruising to a second consecutive 8th place finish.

[@cancorder1]

@Stegibbon 10000%!!!! Keep him please, I really think you’re improving. Make sure he’s around in December when we play you

[@Stegibbon]

@cancorder1 just saying everyone was saying the same about the lego man. You probably were calling for his head.

[@lowrytv6736]

Joe and Ronaldo need to hug it out could cut the tension poor Jay you can disagree with each other sometimes.

[@sacred1827]

Ronaldo was coming for Joe's throat as if Joe is the EtH representative. Felt a bit weird because Ronnie has been switching sides a fair bit and now acting like he's always been Ten Hag out. Anyway I like a bit of needle in a debate lol

[@thetrappedchatterbox7941]

Ronnie understands and says exactly what people will do, not just are doing, and that's why he's the best on the channel for me. Calling that we'll win the next game or two and people will ask him to stay, which will be followed by more dross is exactly what always happens. Fans are just bags in a breeze. Spot on, Ronaldo.

[@coconutzmilk]

They're a representation of people generally. People are fickle. I'll bet most of those whining right now were clamouring for him to stay after the FA Cup final, and they were also the same people who wanted him gone before the final. Its why most opinions don't matter. When it is not a regurgitation of what they've been told, they're a lot of the time not grounded in reasoning, but whatever is being felt in the moment, if even that.

[@thetrappedchatterbox7941]

Well put. Regurgitation is the word of the day on this. Watch any of these videos and you'll see many fans repeat the same thing that was just said in a video, but almost make it sound it was their own belief all along. It's all in the wording; it mirrors what was just said. And people are inherently lazy, so whatever the other guy just said is often enough for you say "yeah, what he said." It's that mix of laziness and needing to feel part of the group that we've these pathetically weak minded observations.

[@scottsinner7530]

Or, and try to follow me on this, not every fucking fan speaks up about every fucking development. There are fans who want him gone, and they’ll speak up when there’s a bad result. There are fans who want him to stay, and they’ll speak up after a good result. Use your head.

[@SCBiscuit13]

I think that the players are not getting enough stick from the fans and the media. Cassemiro was abysmal, Bruno was not pulling his weight, our front 3 are hitting the post. There is only so much the manager can do. Why would you be motivated to perform well if you have a crappy game only the manager will be blamed?

[@sparkz_fly]

Yeah but thats his job to get the best out of them and he hasnt for 12 months barring 2 games in the FA Cup against Liverpool and City. Losing 7-0 to Liverpool, worst ever finish for a United team in the league, worst ever champs league campaign for an English team. Hes terrible.

[@d.b.cooper1]

It's only now the wave has shifted & turned on Ten Hag amongst mass fans, before that it was always players who got the hate...nothing changed then

[@GramdalfFGC]

The Everton stat; the stat about us winning 6 in 20, the stat about us conceding 3+ goals 25 times under ten hag. I’m like Joe and Jay. I like backing the manager, I’m in this for united to do well not so I can go “gotcha” like i think a lot of fans do when we fail But this is now untenable. Those stats are sobering. Giving him 2 games is meaningless, we beat them both 10-0 what does that even mean? We could do that and lose the next 8. He’s had rhe time and there’s been absolutely 0 progression, not even stagnation, we’ve literally regressed. The team in ten hags first season was decent, instead we’ve got worse. It’s done.

[@shobhit260]

Players cannot be blamed, this is wholly on the manager, for not setting the team right and no in-game effect, 8 out of 11 players starting were ten hag signing or players he got from the youth team

[@scottsinner7530]

So you think he tells them not to hustle, and to misplace passes? That IS diabolical.

[@shobhit260]

@@scottsinner7530 that's literally the consequence of how we're setup and how we don't have any planned playing patterns, any team that is well organised is easily able to press us and pass around our midfield

[@ryanpitt8671]

Ronaldo’s an expert at not answering questions

[@dealwithitsloth]

He loves to point out when others don’t, like he’s somehow above it. Shite attitude.

[@Dresstosweatdottv]

You must be a Joe fan, Ronaldo is speaking sense, Joe is still ETH in at heart that is why he is so defensive in this pod.

[@ryanpitt8671]

@@Dresstosweatdottv no I’m just not a Ronaldo fan. What I was actually referring to was a super chat that someone put in on the watch along that Ronaldo wouldn’t answer.

[@shuraamano]

​@@ryanpitt8671Keep crying about it, no one gonna remember you or ask you a question. Your answer doesn't weight a shite either. 😂

[@JoeTheBoxer2010]

@@Dresstosweatdottvdon’t agree with this (from a Jay fan)

[@ianwarren3320]

Joe and Jay in the defensive pivot, Ronaldo fully integrated into the squad now.

[@aarondickson824]

They’ve changed their minds so quickly on it

[@PetterStoners]

Liverpool had a poor start to Klopp's third season. Eventually it turned and performances changed around November/December I believe. If ten Hag starts getting results now and United can gain some momentum while keep working on the new game model which is different to what we tried in the previous seasons. It's no longer about being the best transition team. Jason Wilcox says it will be a possesion based game model. There has been very clear patterns of that this season and we need to give the team abit longer to implement every new players to this. Won't see any stability untill this structure has had some time tho. Might not be under ten Hag, but he sure can't be fired after 6 league games under a new structure and plan. Small margins would leave us in a much better spot. Just remove the least impactful offside I've ever seen. Convert one of the chances vs Palace and we would've been at 12 points.

[@Rob-pq4um]

Totally agree, we have also been sloppy with simple passes to break defensive line in numerous games, fine margins can make a big difference…

[@Stegibbon]

I just wish we'd keep more players deep when we try to play out. So many times the defender on the ball has no options because 4 or more players are on the opposition's defensive line.

[@sparkz_fly]

What patterns you talking about? Palace? They are a terrible team that just lost to Everton. You cant keep your job after losing 0-3 to Liverpool, 0-3 to Spurs in consecutive home games after worst ever finish in the Prem and worst ever Champs League campaign for an English team

[@PetterStoners]

@@sparkz_fly From a tactical point of view United battered Palace. The players didn't finish their chances so Palace got away with a draw. Against Everton Palace will play a different game. They will actually try and win the game by pressing and leaving alot more space behind. United created loads of attacks against a very compact Palace. Which looked promising. Patterns of possesion play are there. The first 4 games in the league United had the most possesion of everyone. The players have missed the most amount of big chances leaving United with 5 goals out of an xG of 10. The patterns of creating attacks thru drawing opposition to the side of the pitch where they create triangles and small play before they either play vertical thru the opposition lines or they switch it to the other side where there's loads of space after drawing the opponent over.

[@sparkz_fly]

@@PetterStoners Sorry pal not seeing what you're seeing. The games where we created chances were against teams we should do anyway. We're 12th for a reason. I'll meet you back here in a few weeks and see if things havr improved.

[@Fr3dr0]

Wild that everyone is saying this should be done or that should be done; this should be further along in progression or that.. Do any of us really know though? We have never seen a rebuild of a club of this magnitude in our lifetime. No real answer to how long this rebuild will take 🤷🏾‍♂️ nothing wrong with criticism, but please keep in mind that there is no actual blueprint to this.

[@Oscarspoem]

I want Ten Hag to stay. Regardless of what happens. Brought me great joy with the league cup win over Newcastle, 4-3 vs Liverpool and of course the F.A.Cup. i hope people agree that he was also a great part of our history.

[@christophermccaughran3253]

Although I’m not Ronaldo’s biggest fan at least he’s been consistent in wanting Ten Hag out. Whilst Joe is in then out then in then out.

[@ATWOOD726]

It’s not like selecting a team to support. You’re allowed to change your mind. Some Twitter fans hashtag “managerout” and prefer to see the team lose just so they are right. Support the fucking team and stop talking about sacking managers.

[@dealwithitsloth]

It’s easy to be consistent when you’re 50IQ

[@Stegibbon]

I think Joe's been incredibly consistent on not wanting him sacked tbh.

[@ravigunslinger]

You don’t need to be in or out, you can be undecided and that’s ok.

[@Mainzeption]

“We were some how worse with 11 men than with 10.” Saying that after a red card to the captain in the third year into a project says it all about him as a manager. Unfortunatley, i’m devostated but he has to go. Can’t see him turning this around

[@joshua5174]

This is the 3rd manager in a row that has completely lost the entire club in his 3rd season. Board, players and fans. Something is rotten at this club. I think it goes deeper than all 3 i just mentioned. The club makes poor decisions, the fanbase are relentless and the managers just seem to be trying to keep their head above water week to week.

[@PetterStoners]

Third season for Klopp Liverpool were 9th after 9 rounds. 13 points. -2 GD 3W 4D 2L.

[@Sandsyy]

This logic is so strange. That’s an anomaly; you don’t use an anomaly as a means to justify other situations. We are deplorable, after spending 600 million we have no idea how we want to play (chelsea did after 2 games ). Open your f*cking eyes we are awful and it’s the worst it’s been in a long long time. You are being so delusional.

[@brianmcsherry1338]

Didn’t spend anywhere near as much as ETH and had a actual style of play

[@sparkz_fly]

Klopp came in half way through his 1st season.

[@PetterStoners]

October I believe. Still had a poor start to his third season under a proper structure that didn't overspend on players.

[@DamonClarke-g1f]

Klopp didn't spend fortunes on his former players and he's an elite manager. Ten Hag is a fraud.

[@billyprice7852]

this was the 23rd fixture in which we have conceded three or more goals under Ten Hag, making up nearly 20 per cent of his 123 games in charge - I cannot see past that fact nor can anyone defend it, horrific!

[@SFM35.8]

Do you think prime fergie would have done better under these circumstances? Name a manager that does better

[@bf1716]

That's where your circus club is at 🤡

[@billyprice7852]

@@SFM35.8 literally any manager pal, including every manager weve ever had post fergie, ETH sets us up to get battered. Why dont you try to name a manager with a worse record for goals conceded, mental!

[@SFM35.8]

@@billyprice7852 "including every manager we've had post fergie" can you not see the pattern? They were all good managers Ineos have just taken over the football recruitment 5 mins ago, did you think it was all going to change instantly? Which manager would you pick instead? You say any manager and then dont name any. Plastic fan, do 1

[@really8930]

How long left? One week… unless he gets a win against Porto or Villa and draws the other game, or narrowly loses with much better performance than against Spurs. I’m not a betting man, but difficult to see Ten Hag surviving.

[@MH-vp7lf]

We gone past that "if we lose narrowly" bs.... he should be gone already. He has to win both

[@chikku807]

Lol he's gonna here until Christmas. You lot been saying he will get sacked every week

[@ilariopastori6927]

​@@chikku807i don't think they'll watch any other game after what they've witnessed and watched all last season, after the villa porto games, no chance, I wouldn't want to sack another manager but man we're almost strugling angainst championship sides

[@ajprop99]

1 week too much imo (tbh 5 months too late)

[@cancorder1]

Hopefully gets a lifetime contract he’s doing great things

[@jiggersotoole7823]

This is essentially a new and young team. They need time. Fans on these threads are a disgrace.

[@himanshusachdev9213]

He has been here for more than 2 seasons now and there havent been even one run where we have consistently played well, forget althe big teams but even against the smaller teams. And forget tactics if you cant motivate your players to show some fight against spurs who themselves have a soft underbelly at home when you are already under pressure due to a poor start to the season then you can never get utd back to where we belong. I dont see much changing under this manager after yesterday.

[@jiggersotoole7823]

@himanshusachdev9213 Brand new back four. Brand new midfield. Two young centre forwards. If people can't see that, this will take time. There's no point in me continuing on these threads.

[@Sandsyy]

@@jiggersotoole7823explain chelsea who have an identity after TWO GAMES and have one of the youngest teams in the league. We have no identity after 3 years and 600 million spent, Your a waffler hahahahahah

[@himanshusachdev9213]

@@jiggersotoole7823 2 out of the back four playing last night were not new, 2 out of the three midfielders were not new and 2 of the 3 attackers were not new, and our players played yesterday like they dont have a fucking clue what they are supposed to do or they cant do what the manager wants them to do, in both the case the manager should be able to explain his tactics much better after 2 seasons. I don’t remember one game where we have played good for 90 mins, dont think giving him more time will change anything. And i am pretty sure sours will themselves have a very up and down season and we made them look like a top side, it was the end for ETH for me.

[@melvinkeeboonping]

Hello Liverpool fan

[@AlbertEinstein-mp3mb]

Ronaldo probably provides the BEST analysis of anyone on the Paddock.

[@adimudiraj]

Him complaining that ETH is trying to fit square pegs in round holes and then saying ETH has not stuck to a playing style or game model is downright contradictory. He’s been wanting ETH out since last season but I don’t get how those injuries and ownership change cannot be taken into consideration.

[@o.m.a6220]

He needs to chill my man thinks this is a life or death discussion

[@sacred1827]

@@adimudiraj I don't think it's contradictory. He's saying he tends to put a lot of stock in brief moments of form when it comes to team selection. So whichever game model he goes with, he tends to pick the guy who did well in the last fortnight. That's a fair accusation and it does lead to square pegs in round holes because you're selecting on perceived form rather than suitability. And it doesn't mean he doesn't often change the plan either.

[@JBasker-eu6lr]

Thank you Joe for keeping things honest. Emotions play a huge part in

[@Pastore237music]

One thing I think this channel need to also address the players, bcs if many managers have failed to manage this team then there must be something wrong too, Ericson said the players played like they didn't want it more, for a player in the dressing room to say that there must be something wrong somewhere, I saw players just walking on the field as if they don't care.… If u get a new manager there is a high possibility that this might continue, I thing the players must start taking some responsibility, the player power is too much in this team... Even if the managers tactics are not the best we should see the players fighting for the badge 🔰.. This is also a team of very young players and still to clique and the lack of goals can also easily influence their confidence… The last performance was bad but we must not say what everyone is saying...

[@johnnyjones3331]

I've been a United fan all my life, and I'd never want us to loose, but I've hit the point , I want a new manager to come in, and nothing will change and finally the players ' who fight for the badge 😂' show they just can't and finally get called out! Enough is enough, depressed isn't a word anymore

[@Stegibbon]

I just want us to keep more players back when we play out. So many times we give the ball away due to lack of options AND then we're left outnumbered when we lose possession.

[@ryanpitt8671]

51:45 that’s what I come for…Jays casual racism 😂

[@JL93601]

Ten Hag should’ve gone after being responsible for one of the most embarrassing days in our club history. The 7-0.

[@shobhit260]

Joe talks like a 5 year old spurs fan, logic on his arguments are just hilarious

[@malou5290]

its 100 % moral. when we go 1 down we turn into a league 1 team. Our players panic and our plan goes out the window.

[@joeyfinlay2475]

Anyone who didn’t think this season was going to be grueling was seeing through rose tinted glasses. We are going through a transition with INEOS, there will be more pain than success for now. We have to be patient to get deadwood players out, young players grow. Calling for the managers head right now is a temporary solution that will not bear well if we don’t have the right new manager coming in.

[@andrew-x8p]

totally agree with you Jay, what team needs an identity and style of play. just show up and be better than the other team, like you said Fergie used to do it all the time. if its good enough for Fergie its good enough for ETH.

[@shaunsheekey3150]

I studied sports science at university, was a p.e. teacher for 20 years and have coached dozens of football clubs ranging from under 5s, to open age to school of excellence. I dont have all the answers but one thing that baffles me is this talk that we have "good" players. We have "technically good" players. There are 4 pillars of sport when combined make great players and great teams. Utd have technically good players but they lack on the physical, mental and social spectrums. We are unfit, lazy, mentally weak and there are no togetherness. Look at the way we celebrate goals. The scorer is more concerned about their individual celebrations than pumping fists and celebrating with team mates. When we concede, we concede twice. The rebuild is bigger than getting skillful players. This is not going to be a quick fix. We need patience and we need to give the manager time to remove bad apples and to build trust, fitness, mental stability and confidence. You dont build a house on sand. You need solud foundations. It doesnt matter if he is the right manager or not for me. The players need to know that he is staying and if you cant addapt, you the player will mive not the manager. Once that penny drops, you will see that the players have no option orher than to follow the instructions. A reset is painfull and takes a long time. Not a couple of seasons but in some cases a generation. Never forget, this culture was built by the glazers who handed over the power to the players. Rome wasnt built in a day and we have more pain ahead but im here for the bad times aswell as the good times. Im happy to give Eric the time he needs to reset a culture (and the fact he's able to win trophies during that transition speaks volumes). Up the reds, UTFP, up the rh and up yours ro media and fickle fans who cant handle the truth. 21 is coming... its inevitable

[@SimonWhitworth]

"Ten Hag isnt the long-term answer"...he isnt even the short-term answer, he needs to go now. 20 home games, EIGHT defeats.

[@dawudqadri7295]

ETH hasn't shown that he's the next Fergie, but he taken the team 3 steps forward for every 2 steps back. I'm happy to keep him slowly fixing our problems until we can poach one of the successful Premier League managers.

[@GeoManRaddTitan]

Its brilliant to hear joe absolutely expose ronaldo's ridiculous bias for all to see. When we are bad its on Hag when we do anything positive its because we abandoned Hags strategies! Ludicrous

[@shobhit260]

This team needs discipline, we need an Italian manager, get allegri, he's available Also zirkzee is not united level, please start hojlund

[@PetterStoners]

Not sure what Ronaldo means by playing away from ten Hag's principles. They played well after ten Hag made substitions with players coming in with instructions from ten Hag...

[@dealwithitsloth]

Ronaldo likes to think he’s clever, but we can all see the truth…mindset of a teenager

[@phitdemon]

​@@dealwithitslothA bit harsh. He makes some good points.

[@davidhilliard1245]

First and foremost the players are supposed to give their all for the fans, the manager is only secondary to this, the fact we were reduced to 10 men virtually meant that the game was over as we had to commit to attack more and leave ourselves open.

[@jiggersotoole7823]

Absolute rubbish logic. What if we play really well in the next matches and lose to dodgy pens or whatever, which can happen in football?

[@theonedonn]

We have never played well for 90 minutes with 10hag

[@maxwellgonzalez4763]

We will win if we play well enough. You are satisfied with average performances. Standards bro

[@jiggersotoole7823]

@@theonedonn Bro, you missed the point.

[@TheMufc123]

You really think as long as they win the next 2 games he's safe? If we win but play like we have been he'll get sacked anyway, but the truth is we won't win both and we will be deservedly beaten

[@davidhilliard1245]

Teams are also exploiting us at left back, the sooner Shaw and Malacia come back the better plus we still have Lenny Yoro to come into the team to give it a new dynamic hopefully.

[@LorraineHinchliffe-vg5cb]

We are cursed. I bet Ten Hag leaves, then goes onto win the CL with his next club😢

[@chingytv7159]

My exact thought 😂

[@bf1716]

I hope he does it with a proper English football club and smashes MU big time with sexy Ajax football 😂

[@timecircle8420]

Without a doubt. The is a squad issue, not a 10H problem. Why is Rashford still at United?

[@Rob-pq4um]

Players are sloppy and careless … just after spurs first goal.. Rashford was played with yards of space and an easy ball to thread into the box for striker to run into and completely over hit it… same against Liverpool first 30 mins we had 3 good opportune break defensive line and played sloppy passes that were intercepted…. These fine details have a big impact

[@dhruvsanjaykumar2582]

Guyz, one thing we should understand a lot of people commenting here were either too young (including myself) or weren't even born to witness the glory days. It takes time, Sir Alex didn't inherit a good team himself, back then there were no social media shitting on him all the time. He had his time to develop and build. This club is a titanic, very difficult to steer, and we fans are also making it difficult for the team and manager. Feel free to critic the team, but let's not be toxic. Post Sir Alex, we only are always a couple of games away from crisis and sacking managers. This is the worst mentality. Losing is part of the process, but we will grow. Let's think big picture. I felt disgusted after yesterday's game, but there were no excuses. This team needs to step u, but I am gonna back them, I am against the concept of sacking every few seasons, tired of this merry go around. A lot of effort goes into making a team. let's not be armchair managers. Do u think every human being in the world is doing great at their job, I dont think so, yet we dont care about the people who play sport, Critic them but dont hate. Let's not make our glorious history a burden on the team. It should be a benchmark! Adios. GGMU ❤

[@esp2017]

I think Bruno's mentality of "I'll go where the ball is" and his almost headline chicken mentality is a huge negative because Ten Hag's system requires the players to essentially go man for man. This is why when we don't have the ball, we always look like we're playing against a team with an extra man. We looked better with ten men because we stopped going man for man. This isn't a "we must sell Bruno" post btw, I think Ten hag should've seen this.

[@timmaggs2240]

Let’s have it fair Jay, beating Porto at Estadio Do Dragao would be a big result. They are unbeaten in 11 at home. And when do United go away in Europe and stick them away recently.

[@wg05954]

I was pissed about the game but those players and this manager need us more than ever.

[@tonymcmahon3390]

Ronaldo spot on as per….Jo needs a dose of reality

[@scottsinner7530]

No, Ronaldo, going from an “F” to a “D” isn’t good enough. But did you know any students who went from an “F” to an “A” in one year at school? Me either. But I did know students who went from an “F” to an “A” over a few years. Impatience is killing this club.

[@grayson0916]

How many years is a few and how long has ETH been here?

[@ryanpitt8671]

The ending has made my day! Thanks guys.

[@jonnyreidmusic]

16.20 Ronaldo spot on

[@MH-vp7lf]

In the past 19 PL games only Everton have fewer points than Man Utd.....Ten Shambles is lucky hes at man utd he can get away with that..... not at any other serious club.

[@christophermccaughran3253]

Joe the fa cup did have massive elements attached to it. And let’s be honest City weren’t at their best which rose tinted our performance.

[@anubhav111196]

I think united had this coming, they created chances in some games but they don’t finish them and the main reason is that when you’ve got so many young strikers like hojlund and zirzkee this is bound to happen

[@TDR-146]

News just in. There's a global shortage of straw after Ronaldo's obsession with building strawmen to frame his opinions goes into overdrive on Monday 30th September.

[@anneferguson7514]

I know we were terrible but we played Amazing in the FA cup last season. Against City aswell. We can do it, I just don't understand why we can't play like that 🤷‍♀️🤦‍♀️

[@fibessnaredrum2775]

Dalot summed up the game after the 1st goal.. couldn't be arsed

[@hamokamo]

I really think Ronaldo is devaluing the impact those players had? You can’t tell me Ten Hag sat before the match and said yeah, I want you to only press one at a time, and then when a defender starts running at you, just let them through! Players have to take some responsibility, through missing chances, bad finishing, just looking like the can’t be bothered to be there. I don’t think that Erik realistically is the man for us, but I don’t like the idea that the players are getting off freely

[@Stegibbon]

He was supposed to be a disciplinarian and we've still got players being lazy in the first few minutes of a game. Some blame has to be on him for not getting the players up for it, but a lot has to go on them for a lack of professional pride.

[@johntipling842]

Weird. I was under the impression that the manager selected the players - both buying and then choosing them for his tactics. Just wondering, exactly how bad does it have to get before it’s no longer good enough?

[@d.b.cooper1]

By your logic we'd still have David Moyes

[@scottsinner7530]

Ronaldo’s “you can’t have it both ways” argument about results vs performances is so silly. The fanbase isn’t a unified entity with a single opinion. Some fans thought last year’s performances were awful, but that was maybe ok, because we were winning or drawing some matches we maybe shouldn’t have. And some DIFFERENT fans think that some performances this year (not Spurs) are encouraging, and that results will eventually follow.

[@mayart9678]

Why don’t we do something we have not done- keep the manager and take the power away from the players. You just hand them the power. Take it away, play or piss off.

[@aminklasyszkowski3552]

I think our team is capable to win “those” game without a world class tactics because of their quality. Form the Ole era, we can see they played well. It is because they want to play, they have the desire to win. I think ETH tactics are not good enough but the players doesn’t have the desire to win. That’s what makes me furious. You can win a game if you have the desire. All of the players need to step up their game if ETH get sacked or not. I’m a ETH inners but I love this club more so I don’t care what happens with ETH. I just want MU to become the powerhouse again. INEOS need to solve the core problems in the club. I hope we as a MU fans can back this team up (you don’t need to support ETH). Hard to see but I think if there is new manager coming in, they will be like ETH.

[@Lounge-lizard]

I get the impression that Joe and Ronaldo aren’t that keen on each other 😂

[@mzakaria10]

One is sensible and uses his eyes and brain. The other is Joe.

[@cancorder1]

Probably because Ronaldo understands football and Joe is just a fanboy

[@dealwithitsloth]

Ronaldo is sulky man child.

[@mathanganikariuki3050]

@@cancorder1 Joe is simply deluded.

[@olivieryannick347]

I see that the United civil war is full on 😂 Big up guys! Great show as always

[@ConnorColes-s9w]

We can blame the players but he’s brought most of them in😂😂

[@hooksx]

Hate to break it to you guys but a managerial change isn't going to turn this around. The on-field performance is always the fault of the players. Too much is made of the importance of the manager. Hardest thing to do is stick with a plan in the long run but that's exactly what Utd need more than anything right now.

[@josephotoole5331]

I was one of them saying I think he's done then, won the fa Cup and I thought he needed time. Times didn't work out after the villa game no matter what now I'd sack him

[@malakian3243]

He is already done... there is no point in keeping him for more games when it is already over and the season is over

[@dealwithitsloth]

Snidey Ronaldo back on his shit

[@jamesplatt3368]

Ronaldo finally challenging this progress narrative that Paddock and Howson keep parroting. Progress in some regard was inevitable if last year is the benchmark. The benchmark should be where we are in comparison to other top four clubs. Also very little weight should be assigned to stats (eg xG) at this early stage of the season as they can be very easily skewed and the sample size is very small.

[@tonymcmahon3390]

Well said 👏🏻

[@pleopod]

It feels done now. We just don’t string wins or even draws together anymore so if not now it will be another time.

[@MPmilanMP]

The whole who do we get if Ten Haag goes makes no sense, when Arsenal got arteta he wasn't a big name manager, same with Liverpool and slot, Chelsea and maresca, Bayern and kompany, Inter and inzaghi and Spurs with ange. Utd need to identify a manager and go for him, just because he may not be a big name doesn't mean he won't get more out of the team and be better than ten haag.

[@ЕдвардГригорян-н6к]

Ronaldo speaks the truth, completely agree with him. Joe speaks only emotionally and it sounds ridiculous

[@SD-yd6tb]

At a club as big as united. Players shouldn't have to buy into a manager they should do it for the badge and do what they are fucking told. They are on the best wages and brand exposure you could possibly and they can't even pass a ball 5 yards

[@markgregory2746]

You were saying similar under Ole when we were comfortably finishing third & second Ronnie. Make your mind up lad.

[@Timmy2430]

As hard as things are currently and as much as ten haq is seeming less and less likely be the man for the job. However we need to take lessons from when we sacked OGS, we brought in Ralf and things were worse. So if ten haq goes there needs to be a structure and plan to replace. Just sacking now could mess things up further. It’s a difficult situation but just sacking him isn’t going to be the answer.

[@Shonuff7140]

I think people drastically over-estimate the talent on this team.

[@MTB8896]

I kindof refuse to believe it is the manager. Ten Hag is the 7th (!) manager since the ferguson Era. All of them besides Moyes have been champions multiple times, champions league winners, cups, they have won the lot of it, including Ten Hag who fostered the best Ajax side in years. It doesnt make any sense; the common denominator is Manchester United. There are issues that has embedded itself within the organization, and i think the social systems constructed within Manchester United to adress problems and realise the Clubs/Managers visions and goals are incredibly flawed. When Rangnick called for open hart surgery i think he referenced this. Meaning; within the core social structure of this football Club there are individuals that are somehow detrimental to the Clubs ability to achieve. I think certain players are a part of the same problem and the Club has to identify who they are and replace them in other for significant positive growth to be possible. The players are extending these issues to the pitch making it visible through our eyes as underavhievement. However it is not every player but i believe Bruno, Shaw, Rashford and Maguire belong in this category. As far as backroom staff go i dont know. But this is what i see. Like if you agree

[@davecollopy524]

No true Utd fan will forget that performance. To allow a bang average Spurs team without Son or a main striker (Werner = useless) to basically walk through our midfield is pathetic. Drop Rashford, drop Dalot (or at least make him play in position) and give Bruno a rest. Zirkzee should be playing off Hojlund up front, Amad and Garna on the wings. Mount, Ugarte and Mainoo in midfield. Defence needs a look at. Onana is the best we have and let’s face it has saved our blushes a few times even though he’s erratic. Ten Hag has two games only to make this work no more.

[@victorhyuotube]

Ronaldo just rants but his analysis are weak...

[@grayson0916]

What was wrong with what he said?

[@esp2017]

It felt like we played in preseason mode 😂

[@andypalin3287]

Joe speaks the most sense! 😜

[@jayfundo3002]

48:00 is joes problem in a nutshell, ten hag is showing that he doesn’t know that so therefore he should leave

[@TheMacDaddy113]

I cant see any way out of this for him, winning one of them 2 games doesnt change much, hes on a slippery slope

[@QazwerDave]

Ronaldo being right, AGAIN !

[@tristman8413]

Waa

[@cosmecham7847]

Ronaldo said what everyone already knows. It's the manner of it.

[@AlbertEinstein-mp3mb]

He's really smart. I called Ronaldo smart and everyone jumped on me. It's ridiculous. Can't say a black guy is really smart. So much undercover racial hostility going on.

[@capadam1440]

Agreed, I am glad someone like him balances out.

[@phitdemon]

This is the best I've seen him. I wasn't always a fan of his presenting skills back in the day, but he's gotten better and better over the years. He was spitting facts in this video.

[@sacred1827]

Ronnie's energy today was a bit weird, given he's been flip flopping every week and never really outwardly said he wanted EtH gone

[@ntheyezimba5856]

In my opinion sacking ETH won’t fix this shit show he may need to go but the problems run deep in that football club. 3/4 of those players aren’t good enough and I’m not convinced about this Glazer-Ineos marriage. We needed new owners to restart, restructure and set an elite winning mentality at the top.

[@keichwhicker4360]

He has to go! How many times do we have to have these conversations????

[@razer0072073]

31:58 Luis Diaz is better than all your attackers

[@williedame4406]

We might beat Porto, we might even beat Villa, but it doesn't matter, the writing is on the wall. The problem is lack of consistency. Ten Hag has a worse record in his last 28 games at united than Neville had at Valencia. Let that sink in.

[@jumpa654]

Are you serious? IF we beat Porto 2-0, then beat Aston villa 3-1, are you seriously telling me you'd still want ten hag sacked?

[@williedame4406]

@@jumpa654 in a heartbeat pal. He's invested 600 million and the team looks like an u18s team in terms of basic organisation. My point is even if we beat those next two teams, the only thing ETH has proven is that he will lose the two after that in embarassing style.

[@pka1013]

Garnacho wasn’t offside, it was a foul by Rice on Evans

[@lukeheywood4137]

And why not play 532 formation? Gives us an easier time playing out of the back

[@darthmil11]

I dont think it matters that Berrada stated that he backs Ten Hag. How many times have Boards all across football sacked a manager days after giving him the "Vote of Confidence." Just get it done, get the guy you want, change the conversation, and move on.

[@PaikoMohammed]

Honestly since Ten hag was afraid to bench Bruno despite his below performance we thank the ref for doing it on his behalf.... let's see if man united can't play without Bruno... nonsense😢😢😢This man is not a coach but carpenter😢😢😢