VW ID.3 Pro S Range Test - How many miles can it really do? | Fully Charged CARS

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Robert has been a fan of the ID.3 since he was the first British journalist to drive it in South Africa a few years ago. It was a game changer car then, and remains so today, but is the Pro S long range model worth investing the extra money in? Robert takes it on a road trip to find out.
The ID.3 Pro S comes with a 77 kWh battery delivering an impressive range of around 280-300 miles on a single charge making it comparable with the long range Tesla Model 3. But here's the question - how many times do you drive 280 miles in a single journey?
The ID.3 is efficient, easy to drive and Robert even prefers it over the Hyundai Kona (don't tell Mrs L), but would the standard model with the smaller, cheaper battery suit the majority of people better? One thing is for certain, the ID.3 remains an incredibly impressive EV.
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Timestamps:
0:00 ID.3 Special
0:40 Blown away
1:30 Glitchy software
2:35 Long drive
4:05 Off we go
4:27 Comfort break
5:38 Crew camera fitting
6:00 Game changer
7:03 Tight tandem
7:48 Range talk
9:26 Electric experience
10:42 Who needs a car like this?
11:07 Weather dependent
11:33 Model 3 comparison
13:30 Auto slowing
14:02 Kona comparison
15:29 Couldn't be bothered!
15:59 Is bigger better?
16:34 Speed stats
17:23 Delight to drive
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SUBSCRIBE, LIKE & SHARE if you want Clean Energy & Electric Vehicles to be the norm. Robert has been a fan of the ID.3 since he was the first British journalist to drive it in South Africa a few years ago. It was a game changer car then, and remains so today, but is the Pro S long range model worth investing the extra money in? Robert takes it on a road trip to find out. The ID.3 Pro S comes with a 77 kWh battery delivering an impressive range of around 280-300 miles on a single charge making it comparable with the long range Tesla Model 3. But here's the question - how many times do you drive 280 miles in a single journey? The ID.3 is efficient, easy to drive and Robert even prefers it over the Hyundai Kona (don't tell Mrs L), but would the standard model with the smaller, cheaper battery suit the majority of people better? One thing is for certain, the ID.3 remains an incredibly impressive EV. Make sure you are subscribed then enter 'The Great EV Giveaway' for your chance to win an EV for a year and lots of other fantastic prizes fullycharged.show/EV-Giveaway/ ​ Fully Charged is 100% independent thanks to KZbin Memberships and Patreons. Without you this channel wouldn’t be possible! If you’d like to help support the Fully Charged channel and its mission: Become a Patreon: www.patreon.com/FullyChargedShow ​ Become a KZbin member: use JOIN button above Subscribe to Fully Charged & the Fully Charged PLUS channels Buy the Fully Charged Guide to Electric Vehicles & Clean Energy : buff.ly/2GybGt0 ​ Browse the Fully Charged store: shop.fullycharged.show/ ​ Visit our LIVE exhibitions in the UK, USA & Europe: FullyCharged.Show/events ​ Subscribe for episode alerts and the Fully Charged newsletter: fullycharged.show/zap-sign-up/ ​ Visit: FullyCharged.Show ​ Find us on Twitter: twitter.com/fullychargedshw ​ Follow us on Instagram: instagram.com/fullychargedshow ​ Timestamps: 0:00​ ID.3 Special 0:40​ Blown away 1:30​ Glitchy software 2:35​ Long drive 4:05​ Off we go 4:27​ Comfort break 5:38​ Crew camera fitting 6:00​ Game changer 7:03​ Tight tandem 7:48​ Range talk 9:26​ Electric experience 10:42​ Who needs a car like this? 11:07​ Weather dependent 11:33​ Model 3 comparison 13:30​ Auto slowing 14:02​ Kona comparison 15:29​ Couldn't be bothered! 15:59​ Is bigger better? 16:34​ Speed stats 17:23​ Delight to drive 18:44​ Subscribe, support, join

[@wexcalibur9379]

think about it 1000 mile range means you can use the car as a back up generator for the home if you set it up... would love to see you do that experiment, using car to run your home...

[@carlodanese9120]

Well, regarding the range. A friend of our is a farrier and he travels almost 4/500 km every day. A salesman, as you said, is a person that drives between 5/600 km every day. At least here in Italy, we drive a lot of hours because we need to get around, most people live outside the city and the charging infrastructure is certainly expanding but not fast enough. My car has, easily, 900km of range that means that I can drive a lot before refuelling. My point is this, I do not want to own a car that is not capable of driving 800km. I do not want to own another smartphone that p***** me off every day because it drops the battery percent in a jiffy. I want a capable electric car that has an 800km range at a reasonable price. 25-30.000€ and 800 km range that's my car, I don't care about fancy materials or clever infotainment gadgets. I'm a simple man and I want a simple and capable electric car

[@davidsommen1324]

@Click Bait A liter of petrol is about 8,9 kWh. So a battery of 77kWh comes down to a tank of about 8,7 litres of petrol. Thankfully EVs are way more efficient than petrol cars. I think you are right - long-range EVs (in conjunction with the advancement of charging speed and public charging infrastructure) will be the (only?) way to convince the masses to go electric.

[@hankthetank185]

Bob, I think people who say they need a car to do 500 miles on a full tank of fuel need to understand that when you have an electric car you have your own “petrol station “ on your driveway. Plus your “petrol station” has got the lowest cost per litre than any petrol forecourt! Hope that explanation makes sense. 😄

[@typxxilps]

Tesla is not so efficient - the display shows only the pure drive train consumption and not the vampir losses and the heating and preheating. Our tesla model 3 shows a beautifull low 19,7 kWh / 100 km consumption in the display - untill you look into the teslafi app cause there we have for the last 6 winter months over 10.000 km 26,7 kWh consumption for 100 km - way more than ID.3 and not to forget: on top we will have charging losses for both cars.

[@Carlitoboyhey]

Thank u very much Fully charged for involving metric system in every measuring /Europe and pretty much the rest

[@alfrredd]

miles to the kWh is the most backwards measurement ever.

[@davidsommen1324]

@@alfrredd Wh/km is where it is at

[@alfrredd]

@@davidsommen1324 yes, I thought electric cars would make mpg disappear but they found a way to use it. *facepalm*

[@valderon3692]

@@davidsommen1324 I prefer Wh / Mile but that is purely because I'm in the US and don't really have any reference as to how far a km is.

[@PhilipKerry]

@@alfrredd Not if you live in a country that doesn't use Kilometres , I'm English and don't understand Km so it would be backwards to use a system that we don't use .

[@verygoodbrother]

Notice the sign on the charger at around 15:17 "Co-financed by the Connecting Europe Facility of the European Union"

[@jay-uo2bi]

LOL

[@ariapro22]

Neatly segues into life of Brian sketch....”apart from that what have the Romans done for us?”

[@reubenwilkinson845]

@@ariapro22 well said!

[@matijasokola3879]

is that maybe the reason why Ionity is like 69pence per kWh ?

[@vokstar]

True pro moment, train whistles past in shot, starts talking stats about trains.

[@rj7855]

I can't wait for my ID.3 58kWh to be delivered (est. mid May)

[@davidsullivan3465]

I have one. You'll love it.

[@starsundsternchen802]

I have my ID.3 since December. Great car. I love it!

[@AdrianMcDaid]

@@cmpc724 earn more money.

[@Gr33nMamba]

I used to be able to do a 4 hour drive, without a break or a stop, for either a comfort break or general tiredness, that was in my 20's, not any more. That was Warwickshire to Dover.

[@HarryLivestream]

Great positive personality and much needed information thank you

[@StarLuna973]

Thank you for a positive review of the ID.3 Robert; it’s very refreshing as so many reviewers are constantly berating VW and the ID range in general. I can’t wait for my ID.3 to arrive later this month. I’ve had a very long wait for it as I ordered it in July 2021. I’m getting the Family Pro Performance and I’m super excited.

[@davidsommen1324]

As a huge fan of the show, Robert and EVs, a few thoughts: - Yes, if you can charge from home and don't do long journeys often, range is definitely less important. BUT there are many people who simply cannot charge at home because they live in an apartment or something comparable which makes them pretty much dependent on public chargers. I do own a driveway and charge my car but if I didn't I can imagine I would feel justifiably safer having a car with a range like to this ID3. Having the option of buying a car with a big range is a good way of getting people out petrol and diesel cars. - I'm guessing most people from the UK don't often make (very) long journeys in or to mainland Europe because it's more convenient to fly, and within the UK you can rely on public charging. But personally I refuse to fly within Europe because of the carbon footprint and pollution it entails; which means I need a car that could easily do 100s of kms in one day WHEN I want to go on holiday or far away for my work; for that I would need an EV that has a combination of serious range and fast charging. Most (southern) European countries lag seriously in the outroll of public high powered charging network. I am guessing I am not alone in this, when you see the European corridors to the south (France, Italy, Spain,...) in summer, most of the traffic are tourists. Imagine those people would drive EVs, the world would be a better place! Of course people don't need the range on a daily basis, but the same argument can be made for fossil cars. People seem to choose their car for the most 'extreme' use case, and I can understand that. - A lot of the arguments made on this show are from personal experience, which is not necessarily a bad thing! But do keep in mind that everyone's experience is different. The range topic, the SUV topic - I understand that some people feel they need more than they actually do, but that is definitely not always the case. I am very glad that more car manufacturers are offering cars with serious range and higher charging speeds which opens lots of doors. Let them do it, and the last arguments for fossil burners will become increasingly vapid.

[@rylucia]

Hi Robert, enjoyed this video. How long did it take to charge the car at that last stop to get enough range to get back? Thanks for your videos 🙂

[@junderwoituk]

Great video Robert & team, always interesting content. Keep up the great work.

[@anonymoose2685]

Thanks for the channel. I find it really helpful. I really want an id3. 😊

[@rtfazeberdee3519]

17:04: i'm glad Robert loves the Front Wheel steering ... more cars should have it :)

[@1derekwinter1]

😀🤣

[@PRG888]

I think the problem isn't range, the problem is the infrastructure, when you are low on charge and going to a charger and it doesn't work, that is where the stress levels go up.

[@harsimranbansal5355]

Yup, even a 200 mile range is enough if you have a plethora of working chargers!

[@UBERmorrison]

I've recently been given an EV through work. 58KWh ID3. I only have access to public chargers and some at work, nothing at home. My commute is 30 miles each way, and I'm not in the office everyday as go direct to customers. Never felt worried about a charge, takes days to kill the thing. Plenty of places to top-up, most supermarkets have free ones to give you a few extra miles while doing the weeks shop. BIK tax is awesome, too. What EV do you have?

[@DjTonioRoffo]

That is so true.

[@Steve-gc5nt]

I abandoned a trip from Wiltshire via Andover then on to the coast last week simply because I had no faith in being able to find a charger down there. Around town its OK but any distance I'm still not sure at all.

[@UBERmorrison]

@@Steve-gc5nt your fear impacted your trip, not a real life event. I live with a company EV daily and have issues whatsoever. Travel around 25-30k miles a year and do not have a charger at home. All fine.

[@MrJazzaficionado]

Hi Robert ; thank you for great Vid. I am a sales engineer and switched from BMW 530e Hybrid to the ID3 Pro S with the 78 KwH Battery; the Id3 is really impressive ! And with the the rear wheel drive it feels like a BMW :-) The driving assist even handles the steering on country roads well

[@9628398]

Thank you for this, decision made and ordered 👍🚙

[@Horseyman17]

For sure one of the better Fully Charged videos. Robert was great, no bumbling, relaxing, great length, great explaining and charging too! Re-subbed!🙂

[@briero]

What made you un sub?

[@rogerstarkey5390]

Rumour is Robert had an OTA software upgrade last week.

[@metricstormtrooper]

What do you mean No bumbling, he raved about driving it in south africa Twice in quick succession.

[@GreatCreative]

I can tell you the real benefit to the larger battery pack. It's for those of us who carry ski boxes or paddleboards on the roof, and mountain bikes on the back. On any given spring, summer or fall day, the range can vary greatly whilst crossing over mountain passes in British Columbia. Those are the journeys that suck the life out of your range - even in the Kia Niro EV 64kW. The paddleboards are like dragging a parachute behind you, and the bikes weigh as much as two small kids. I honestly think it's not all about people traveling long distances - it's about HOW those people are traveling. It's lifestyle.

[@simonyapp]

And people that tow ( not sure u can with a ID3?) but still bigger battery enables other uses ; nice point Albert

[@mvteh]

@@simonyapp You can't tow with the ID3. You can fit a roofbox (from 3rd party vendors) and a bicycle rack on the back (max 55 kilo weight, 2 bikes).

[@richardeskins]

@@mvteh not on this version.

[@Mimbultonia]

Great review. I did plump for the TM3 but mainly because only the first edition with the smaller battery was available at the time. I do find the larger battery useful though, as it means 80% to 20% (ie 60%) gives a great range without stress. IC found our other car (Leaf 40) less useful on the longer journeys.

[@nickieredshaw7835]

Thanks for another great video

[@fourbypete]

I really like the ID3 dash.

[@awo1fman]

I love that your route was in the shape of a question mark! 🤣

[@dennyaberg7962]

Thankyou Robert & crew for another nice video. I have an ID3 58 kWh, and I love it. But any electric car is better than all the fossils in my book.

[@cbromley562]

Cost - iD3 Pro Performance & Tesla SR+ (with heat pump & stock aero wheels): iD3 - £42,699 Tesla - £40,990 Battery Pack: iD3 - 62.0 kWh, (58.0kWh usable) Tesla - 55.0kWh, (50.0kWh usable) Real Range est. - Cold weather combined: iD3 - 180 miles Tesla - 170 miles Real Range est. - Mild weather combined: iD3 - 250 miles Tesla - 240 miles Performance - 0-62 mph: iD3 - 7.3 sec Tesla - 5.6 sec Cargo volume: iD3 - 385L (frunk volume - 0L) Tesla - 542L (frunk volume - yes, but no data) Towing weight - Unbraked: iD3 - 0kg Tesla - 750kg Auto Pilot & over the air updates: iD3 - No Tesla - Yes These battery sizes get you anywhere.

[@willdashwood82]

As a dedicated fan of Fully Charged for 7 years, I have to say I'm finding myself more and more frustrated with the output of the channel recently. I mean, what was the point of this video? As Robert said, the car has already been reviewed previously so if you weren't actually going to do a full range test, why bother making this video? It really feels like the well of ideas is running a bit dry lately. As someone who was initially very interested in the ID.3, but has been put off by the reports of software issues, perhaps you could go into more detail on the specifics of those issues. What was the exact problem with the Zappi charger? I'd love to see an interview with someone from VW who can perhaps give us more details on what the issues are and what they're doing to fix them. Here's another idea; with a huge number of people probably electing to holiday in the UK this year, how practical is the ID.3 for fitting all the camping gear in? At one point, Fully Charged would be my first and only port of call for all this kind of stuff. Now, I regret to say, other channels are doing a much better job.

[@russvhill2]

Unfortunately Fully Charged has become more about eccentric Robert doing 'funny' voices than about EVs and sustainable energy. I need a long range car so I only have to charge once a week; weak bladdered Robert seems to have removed himself from the real world with a house full of cutting edge tech he is 'testing' for the channel.

[@willdashwood82]

@@russvhill2 I don't particularly need more than 200 miles of range, but anyone interested in buying the long range version of the ID.3 probably would like to know exactly how many miles you can get out of the car before it dies. In any case, if you title the video "How many miles can it really do?" I'd expect a proper answer!

[@slothrr776]

The KZbin algorithm demands regular new content from producers or they get punished in terms of discoverability. Hence, new episodes get put out even when they might not be of outstanding quality.

[@willdashwood82]

@@slothrr776 very true. But on the other hand, making pointless videos may lose existing subscribers and I think there was an opportunity to do something a bit more valuable even with the difficult lock down restrictions and time constraints. Or just commit to the original idea and see it all the way through.

[@giri1478]

@@willdashwood82 the answer is 285 miles approx in a weather of around 13 degrees temp. If you want more info - have a look at Bjorn nyland on the same video - and yes expecting fully charged to give the full range would be fair. I think they stopped cause the kona ran out of juice and didnt want to go any further.. :(

[@malcolmbennett3555]

the statement 'you only do long distances once/twice a year' is relative........we do 300km one way just to go to our weekend spot weekly. Our province Alberta is bigger than all of UK combined so either recharge stations enroute or at destination when its -30c.......not today

[@ciaranwebb6871]

That's very much an American thing though. In the Uk it's very rare, like going down to the south of France or something like that.

[@CountvonG]

Love this channel 😁

[@ericrollo615]

Interesting review I am one of those people who does need 250mls + as i live in the highlands and "local" shopping trips to Inverness are 200ml round trips so thank goodness range is now extending to allow use the chance of using an affordable version of an EV

[@xtonys]

The range is really helpful to enable typical commuters to only charge up roughly once a week. Its not all about a single journey.

[@tehgwaz]

Yep not a major concern for someone with a drive who can easily plug in overnight but it's something that's major pro for those who need to use public chargers.

[@jay-uo2bi]

Depends if you have a garage. For those who have a garage, it's really no problem to just take the 10 seconds to plug it in each night. If you have to park it outside at the roadside and there is no charger, then that may indeed be a consideration.

[@lvermei]

Completely agree (I'm in this situation). But it is an only temporary problem. Most companies have plenty of parking space and could place many low speed chargers for their employees. They could even earn some money doing it, I would sure be happy to charge at work.

[@rob-123]

Is there not a wireless slow charger avalible. You could set it up in your garage or where you leave the car and it would keep the battery sweet.

[@patrickjr11]

@@lvermei I think that this is the missing link. 3-5KW chargers at work, at the long stay train station car park or at the park and ride facilities. We need these more than we need endless overly expensive super rapid chargers. We need those too, but we to give the change a proper push, we need cheap slow non-driveway charging as much. And only one in every 10 - 20 spaces? not going to charge every day and most will still charge at home.

[@jur4x]

Bigger battery makes sense when you can't charge at home. If you plug-in while doing shopping once a week, 300 mile range is perfect. Especially ar current property prices - makes more sense to pay for bigger battery than to upgrade your house.

[@achenarmyst2156]

„Upgrading“ our house with a 22kW socket (lockable) cost us around 400 Euros. Best decision we have made. We installed 22kW because the ZOE can process it, amazing.

[@jur4x]

@@achenarmyst2156 By "upgrading" I meant moving to a house with off-street parking. And considering the EV uptake - prices for those are going to skyrocket really soon. Some people live in houses where even parking on your own street is a challenge. Because that's the best they can afford.

[@MichaelSmith-px1ev]

Thanks Robert for another great video, in relation to range In Australia we still would like to have 1,000km’s approx 600odd miles for towing capacity and being able to travel the distances we need to travel. It’s what we do on the weekends.

[@sebastiangeorge7714]

You probably have to wait some years more

[@dalroth10]

Great video as usual and good to see the ID.3 longe range model performing pretty much as advertised. I'll be getting my first EV in the next two months and found this to be extremely helpful. Range is a consideration for me, just like for everyone else. Until I retired last year I worked in the construction industry and did about 30,000 miles a year. I'd have probably been OK with any of the three EV's Robert refers to in the video and the rapid increase in the number and capabilities of public charge points is helping to reduce range anxiety concerns all the time. For many people a journey of more than 200 miles will be an unusual event rather than the norm I think. The ID.3 (58kWh) battery version on my shortlist to test drive when dealerships finally re-open next week ....... can't wait to find out how it drives and compares to the Kona, e-Niro and Ioniq that I'll also be test driving. Will also be very keen to drive the new Hyundai Ioniq5 and Kia EV6 when they finally hit the showrooms in the UK! 😀

[@louiswgr7618]

But do you want a suv or a normal car?

[@petrihietanen1102]

Nice review! Kona has a way smallest battery (64 kWh), still manages to get 300 miles of range. It really has a great efficiency. Also, Hyundai underestimate it's 0-100 time at 7.6s. It has been tested several times doing it at 6.8s. Pretty punchy!

[@xxwookey]

Indeed. Most unfair calling the Kona 'compromised' because the chassis can take an ICE engine too. That's fair criticism for a lot of cars, but not that one. Hyundai/Kia did an amazing job there (better than VW with their dedicated platform).

[@jay-uo2bi]

Indeed, they achieved comparatively good efficiency when you consider: The Kona is an ICE based car. It's essentially there only EV (excluding ioniq electric). They are a mainstream manufacturer, not Tesla, or a luxury brand. Therefor, it will be interesting to see the efficiency of the new Ioniq 5 and Kia EV6 based of their new dedicated EV platform. Maybe Tesla finally has some competition in terms of efficiency.

[@Tom55data]

@@jay-uo2bi At this time the EPA on the ionic 5 and EV6 are well down on the kona and e-nero , I think it because these new cars are bigger SUV as the reviewers say they are bigger in the flesh than the pictures show. I am very disappointed that they did not keep the efficiency of the kona and e-nero to these new cars as the marketing department wanted a bigger SUV.

[@allyliddiard7320]

It also has flappy paddle regen, which is miles better than all other regeneration functions on any other make (barring stablemate Kia). I used to have an Ioniq, the replacement Zoe's B mode is not even close.

[@xxwookey]

@@allyliddiard7320 The advantage of the paddle thing is that you get to vary the regen strength as you drive about and that means you rarely need the brake pedal? Whereas other 1-pedal arrangements have a constant regen/braking rate unless you use the brake pedal? (I have never driven any of these so wonder how the nuance works). presumably the point is that this sets a 'default' braking rate when you stop accelerating. But every car gives you a variable raking rate with the pedal. isn't a variable rate always more useful than a fixed rate? I guess one pedal that goes all the way from max acceleration at the bottom to max braking at the top (with normal operation near the middle) would be best. Not sure anyone makes that... I never noticed having to use a brake pedal to get variable braking (on ICE cars) being tiresome (unlike clutches in queues), so I wonder how much never having to use it really matters? Do other cars not have regen/braking rate adjusters at all (other than the pedal)?

[@SWR112]

And although we understand why the high price due to legacy needing to produce more cars and are still building ice engines and need to swap over to make money on EV’s these ID cars need to be £20-26k on the road. £42k is not even remotely a price level but for the more affluent or people ready to spend a huge amount on a car.

[@davidstuart4915]

China EVS will enforce a radical drop in Euro pricing...and improvement in tech / features/ range etc...before the year is out..I reckon Elon will stir everything up in the autumn with radical EV pricing too,,, :)

[@MrAdopado]

@BullShark Tesla price cheaper this week than last week ...

[@stephenbarr6558]

Love Roberts reviews and enthusiasm. I drive the BMW i3 at the moment , and if ever I decided to move on, it’ll be the VW id 3

[@mc1758]

Don’t, 😊 . Stay with the BMW

[@tomrivans9102]

I have had mine since June, it’s wonderful, smooth and simple to drive.

[@blooders4224]

As an owner of an ID3 Pro, let me tell you about the experience. On one of my first trips, I used the automatic cruise control, which is really, really clever as it holds the listed speed limits. Great tech, however, shame on the company as the following day, the ACC developed a fault and needed to go in to VW for a software upgrade. The service team think it is a glitch in the software and not a real problem. On the same trip, I also got a stone chip on the M25, which, after a really cold night, turned in to a crack on the screen. At this point, my enthusiasm for the ID3, which I really like, turned in to a hate for the VW customer attitude. My local dealer wants to have the car for two days for the software upgrade and, to make things worse, there isn't a windscreen in the country, in Europe, actually there is no replacement screen for the HUD windscreen absolutely nowhere! What that means is that VW is selling its top end product without the spares needed if a consumable breaks. Get real VW, it's a bloody marketing fail to sell a car that, when something as simple as a windscreen needs replacing, there are no spares! Chips and damage to windscreens are common occurrences and yet, you have no replacements and nobody knows how to fit it!!! My local VW garage thinks it will take up to three months to get fixed!!!!! I have no problem being an early adopter of new tech, but this is pathetic and shames the brand! For clarity, love the car, hate the brand that leaves me with a totally unusable car because they cannot be arsed to have spares and service support for daily issues before they start selling the stuff!!!!!! I truly hope someone at VW picks this up as I am dealing with your customer care people and getting nowhere. They are trying, but it's an insurance issue, so they say, but just like them, the insurance company cannot get a new screen. Wake up VW, your potential customers will hold off ordering if you do not have the service and consumables to support the product. I know I wish I had held off ordering, this is totally unacceptable.

[@adams7405]

Worked for Audi for several years in London and that is pretty normal for the VAG group.Releasing cars with no parts or accessories. Worse now due to brexit,I have a 70k Q7 waiting for a sensor three weeks and counting,happily getting to work in my £500 focus.Everyone buys them,but they don't have the infrastructure to cope.Been that way for years.Meanwhile my wife's Kia gets delivered back same day with a new sensor washed and hoovered.

[@Smidge204]

Internet tells me the ID3 has a drag coefficient of 0.267, versus the Model 3's 0.23. Power requirements go up with the square of air speed so that ~0.03 difference could actually account for the efficiency...

[@e-redj]

Power requirements go up with the cube of air speed. And yes, saying that the higher consumption of the ID.3 is due bad software is nonsense that Robert can’t proof. And that coming from a person rightly constantly pointing at the fake news of the general press on EVs. 😡

[@Smidge204]

​@@e-redj Aerodynamic drag F = 0.5 x fluid density x velocity SQUARED x coefficient x area So is your misunderstanding of aerodynamics fake news or just a simple mistake? 'cause people make mistakes all the time...

[@e-redj]

@@Smidge204 Yes, the force is proportional to the velocity square, but he was talking about Power requirements. Power equals force times velocity, thus power is proportional to velocity cube.

[@marc0523]

Thanks, I was looking for this comment, it is drag coefficient, not software that caused lower efficiency. That being said software does look like a problem in this car and a reason I would not buy it at the moment.

[@azw409]

Spot on, there's the missing efficiency. Still, it is a more useful hatchback with nicer controls and much more affordable than a Tesla.

[@MrVampireBill]

Great video. Would like to see a similar one between the M3SR+ and the standard ID3 (me and my best mate own them and would be good to compare). In regards to range, I am a field based sales person and I frequently do 400 miles in a day. Never struggled with a model 3 standard range. It’s just so rare that you wouldn’t stop for a break and the charge speeds are so good that it’s just not a problem. I’d only see an issue if going to remote places like agricultural sites or like he said about wind turbines.

[@AlejandroMoralesS]

Thanks for translating the miles to kilometers :)

[@ianbrown7327]

Are you at cullompton services I always stop there going to Cornwall and will be doing in May all being well

[@MePeterNicholls]

Re: train. The question actually is - when will the gov finally electrify the line

[@dg115]

They are currently working on battery powered trains, this is much cheaper than overhead lines on smaller regional railways

[@MePeterNicholls]

@@dg115 that’s a mainline to Cornwall

[@Barefoot_Joe]

1890 was full electrification

[@apkungen89]

In Sweden they've always been fully electric as far as i know. At least for a large number of decades...

[@keiththompson8289]

Hydrogen fuel cells will propel trains in the future, much more efficient than overhead powerlines.

[@person2186]

thanks for the video

[@PatrickGeraldMcCoy]

Thank-you for your giveaway. I look forward to seeing whom the winners are...

[@ru95]

Wait so who was the first person outside VW to drive it again? 😂

[@tejeswarareddykota5105]

Elon musk Vw group invited him for his opinions over the European styled mass market cars. He drove in one if the airships in Germany U can find the video

[@achenarmyst2156]

Rembrandt?

[@radicaltiestiessen8634]

Robert, the problems you experienced with charging at home are no surprise to me. Having had several ICE VW cars and their problems (lacking a decent QC at VW?) prompted me to buy only Japanese for the last 25 years. Never had any disappointment since. My next (=EV) car will therefore, NOT be a VW.

[@Robert-cu9bm]

A lot can change in 25yrs.

[@radicaltiestiessen8634]

@@Robert-cu9bm I know.....but not my disgust for VW which left me standing in the cold at moments most inconvenient to me. Same with BMW. (The 5 year old BMW 5 series even stopped sweeping my front window during a highway downpour in the dark!). Driving a Lexus GS300h now (plus a Jaguar XK from 2008 for the weekends, -british-!!) and (Suzuki) & Prius II, and III before that. Never ever had one single Japanese problem. Best regards from the Netherlands.

[@carlarrowsmith]

@@Robert-cu9bm yeah they got even worse.

[@fabmanly1070]

I will never buy a VW ever again. Absolute piece of shit, fulling apart everywhere, now VW have been found out again with more lies. Shit cars, shit company.

[@toma4481]

My 77kwh Pro S is being delivered in May. Looking forward to giving a proper range check on the hills and turns of the coastal A roads from Hampshire to Devon!

[@charleslord266]

Glad for the kona e input. Likely our second car along with the model y unless Tesla comes up with similar.

[@flossemd]

You NEED to show the km every time you say miles, this was more or less without any information for me (and most of the world). Just a little 282km or 15kwh/100km popping up in the corner.

[@patrickjr11]

Range is something we are going to have to re-educate ourselves on. I have a 30kwh Nissan Leaf and not had an issue with range. Long journeys take a little planning but the extra stop ( has never been more than one in a long journey for me ) helps to mentally chill while driving and not be in a mad rush everywhere. 160 miles in winter is good enough for how and where I drive. I am still looking forward to the ID 1/2 it must be said.

[@martialman.4563]

I have a 75 Tesla and it is by far not enough. Road trips with toys= renting a combustor. I could not even make my commute with 30kwh.

[@jay-uo2bi]

It really depends who you are. For me, I would be happy with a range of just 150km. But people in different situations might require 600km range.

[@martialman.4563]

@@jay-uo2bi Correct, my car is fine for commuting but definitely wish I had more range during the ice storm this year or hurricane.

[@johnhornblow4347]

I so agree, we do 1500km holidays around New Zealand. Even the most remote parts of NZ have fast chargers, be it a 25kwh charger

[@solomonk2161]

Very Informative videos as always. Thanks a million Governor. ID3 looks good on the read and aerodynamically more efficient I think. Tesla has one of the best cooling and heating battery system coupled with a brilliant software to manage the c components in a beautiful symphony resulting in maximising a very drop of juice in the battery pack.

[@mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm420]

This is all very well but I wonder who was the first journalist to review the ID. 3?

[@nonsuch9301]

Front wheel steering ? Is that a feature that needs calling out ? I thought every car did that !

[@baryonyx9642]

ran out of good things to say I guess XD

[@nicnordic6143]

Drive axle is back, so you can turn on a coin...

[@streetwind.]

Well, the up-and-coming Mercedes EQS will do all-wheel steering... :P

[@AndrewLumsden]

If you throw it into reverse they become rear wheels, so it's good to get this clarification! 😆🤣

[@Swerve744]

@@streetwind. oh yes that's a bargain at 80k plus

[@stevenbarrett7648]

We were really up for an ID3, set up a 1 hour drive at our local outlet in Bradford, both took time out of work, arrived early.....it was still in the showroom.....then it didn’t work....then they couldn’t fix it...then we went back to work and that was that.

[@DavidKnowles0]

probably all stage, if history of pass dealers who did everything they could to not sell you a electric.

[@stevenbarrett7648]

I had the distinct feeling he wasn’t interested in pushing electric, the whole experience had an odd ‘feel’ to it

[@WeatherManToBe]

@@stevenbarrett7648 gives me GM ev1 vibes

[@LA09a]

So similar. I was very keen on ID3 but poor test drive experience. Embarrassed for the salesman who couldn't unlock the car, then couldn't open the boot. It just didn't feel put together properly and then I got a very short test drive. If they couldn't be bothered to try and sell it, I couldn't be bothered to buy it. Bought a much cheaper Zoe (with a hefty discount too) which suits me for now.

[@simonyapp]

Fantastic, great filming, handy info and really nice relaxed useful chat, thank u

[@carlseddon2392]

Robert, I have just ordered the Id.3 pro s tour with the 77kwh 150kwh motor. I am happy with the range especially winter 200odd miles I travel to Cornwall a lot and that's great news with higher temperatures. I test drove a 58kwh battery with the 150bhp battery and it was rapid. I presume with the extra weight of the bigger battery but with the 204bhp motor it's still pretty nippy Cheers

[@darensingh2]

I'm a cab driver in London would love to have one of these to beat the CC.

[@THE-BIG-ROAD-GRIPE]

Grab yourself a Kia e Niro you'll never look back

[@Robert-cu9bm]

Not the new London cab?

[@_Rafiki.]

Nex year even EV's will have to pay the congestion charge

[@darensingh2]

@@_Rafiki. I thought that was only plug in hybrids

[@darensingh2]

@@Robert-cu9bm I'm a PCO driver

[@aquissuk]

Ionity being ICEd at the end by the van?

[@rustyjoints4857]

Good second review. How's the comfort with 20 inch wheels compared to 19s? I've read 19s are better apparently.

[@cooljohnpoole]

Been excited about the ID.3 since you first drove it back in South Africa. I'm ID.3 Tour (77KWh) is turning up before then end of the month ( Regulaly do over 180 miles in a day for work so mainly for range in the winter). Glad you mentioned about the Zappi as I have just had mine installed ready for moving from my Diesel Golf looks like its an issue when charging above 80% Thanks for the great video as always.

[@randomdaveUK]

Now that's interesting... is it an intentional cut off to help the battery's longevity? Or a quirk of the id3 cutting off the charge?

[@cooljohnpoole]

@@randomdaveUK people over on the myenergi forum have been talking about it in depth seems to be mostly buggy software. Software 2.1 appears to have cleared some of the issues but I suspect the car that Robert was driving had that already so clearly not fully. Going to be a difficult entire into the ev market for me if the charger won't work with the car properly. Will just have to charge for free at work :3

[@randomdaveUK]

@@cooljohnpoole there's great scrutiny on everything an EV can do, but even more scrutiny on what it can't. Many looking to point out flaws. These cars need to arrive mostly flawless to aid adoption. If software is the only issue that's not bad, it's not great of course, but that can be upgraded over the air. I'm hopeful for VW in the EV space and pretty sure Tesla will continue to improve. The future looks good for this switch to EVs.

[@cooljohnpoole]

@@randomdaveUK completely agree noone also looks at what and EV can do Vs a ICE I am thuroughly looking forward to without even leaving the house getting the car warm on a cold winter's day before I leave not having to de-ice. And coming home after a long day knowing I'm not going to have to go via a petrol station at the crack of dawn as the car will be topped backup over night. And the thought of a car getting better with time . . . That doesn't happen in a ICE car unless you remap the engine which has risks on its own. Oh and the £5 fill up rather than £50. I could go on 😜

[@randomdaveUK]

@@cooljohnpoole on the petrol pump front, many say "oh it only takes 5 mins to fill up"... It doesn't, it would take me 20-25 mins and I have a petrol station less than 5 mins away from me, and it's a deviation from my route, plus the getting there and back is never mentioned by EV critics. You'll have the car charging while you sleep. Enjoy your new car 😁😁

[@michaelholt1]

I really enjoyed watching this with my master. He absolutely loves this channel and especially the id3 but he's very sad as his wife won't let him get one.

[@tomsixsix]

Woof?

[@michaelholt1]

@@tomsixsix I think it's because he said her Victoria Sponge cake was too dry 🐶

[@richardllewellynme]

I totally agree with the range thing. I was trying to explain that to some family members but I might just send them this video instead. Good stuff as always. Real world thoughts. Thanks

[@dannya6825]

I love the Id3. I like Robert was excited for it to be released

[@paulmcwilliams8641]

I used to do mobile patrol security. In the first year doing the job, my opposite shift partner and I did 197,000 miles.The rota was 24/7 weekends and a 12 hour night shift the rest of the week.

[@shoutinggeorge2532]

As most UK journeys are less than 10 miles, it would be interesting to see what range this car had doing multiple short journeys from cold. Probably a nightmare to do, but would be very useful for those of us who'd love an EV, but can't charge at home.

[@mralistair737]

it'd be a good question, given that the total range didn't fluctuate much, my guess would be it might make 10-20% difference. though i guess the upside of multiple long journeys is that it increases your odds of bumping into a convenient charger.. eg, if you are driving to the shop, or office or parking at the cinema or whatever, you only need to spot a handy charger what, one in 10 times and you'd be sorted. around here they've been installing street chargers at a pretty impressive pace as well. PLUS most short journeys will be at lower speeds, and at A-road 40mph on the bypass type roads the range will be much better than the motorway.

[@Robert-cu9bm]

If you have a zappi you can't charge at home either.

[@Robert-cu9bm]

@@mralistair737 Aren't EV's more efficient in town, due to the regen.

[@shoutinggeorge2532]

@@mralistair737 I was just thinking the battery heating the VW's apparently do might hit the range a fair bit with lots of short journeys. not a problem in summer I'm sure, but perhaps could make a dent to range in the winter.

[@MarkAtkin]

@@Robert-cu9bm They are more efficient in town, but not for that reason. With regen you get back some of what you used to get up to speed, but not all of it. The main reason they are more efficient in town is that speeds are far lower. This is where an ICE losses out in a big way, because with an ICE you have to use a lower, less efficient gear to keep the engine within its working range.

[@wobby1516]

You’ve said it, software problems and I wouldn’t buy one until it’s sorted.

[@chillout1109]

You don't have to wait until the software is perfected. Remember that the ID.3 has OTA software updating capability. Updates will be pushed to the cars as the software is continually improved over time, while you are enjoying a fantastic, well built car in the meantime.

[@davidsommen1324]

It is actually quite sorted. Software version 2.1 is out now and going OTA, huge improvements. I would not see that as a reason not to buy one right now.

[@dot7107]

Well built? That plastic bucket?

[@oktaviu8668]

@@chillout1109 biased comment is way too biased. Too many software issues for a new car, huge NO GO for every non biased and reasonably minded fellow

[@heno02]

@@chillout1109 I wouldn't buy one if it was thrown after me. The dealerships here in Norway has a terrible history in poor customer care. Anything VAG related is a no go for me. And I'm not interested in buying a new car with a new car pricetag to be a Beta software tester

[@accesser]

Keen to see what VW does with this car as time goes on, 2022 , 2023 models etc its the right size for me hopefully Australia can bring in some incentives to purchase EV

[@leehopkinson6824]

Two legends 👍

[@ThinkOfANumber68]

I completely agree that logically I don't need that sort of range 99% of the time but occasionally when I do need to get to my elderly parents (245 miles) I want a car that would get me there in one go, which is what I am currently used to. So I am always torn when considering EVs between what I think I need and what I would really use every week.

[@bubba842]

Many EVs do over 245miles of range. Plus that is nearly 4 hours of driving. If you stop for a toilet break and a coffee you could easily charge your car for 10 to 20 mins and get a decent amount of range on a level 3 charger.

[@hankthetank185]

Bob, I think people who say they need a car to do 500 miles on a full tank of fuel need to understand that when you have an electric car you have your own “petrol station “ on your driveway. Plus your “petrol station” has got the lowest cost per litre than any petrol forecourt! Hope that explanation makes sense. 😄

[@jraevans]

Need your own driveway though

[@xxwookey]

The people who want 500 miles are not visiting their home within that 500 miles. So the cheap and easy fuel station at home is good for the first 500 miles, but no help at all after that (so reminding them about it won't help). I'm one of those people (I'd actually be happy with 300 miles, although I do enjoy my current 600, and use it regularly). I can probably manage with 200 but will have to change how I do things. But nobody actually makes a 200 mile van yet, although the new PSA's are close, and probably will do that on a nice summers day if you take it easy (but nowhere near in winter). So yes we agree that people who demand 500 miles range _and_ do most of their trips

[@slhslh9038]

@@xxwookey Agree totally. If you don't have a driveway or are consistently doing more than 250 mile journeys, then still EV's are not right. There are very few people (as a % of total vehicle sales) who do anything like 250 miles per week.

[@xxwookey]

@@slhslh9038 Of course. I agree that the range thing is wildly overemphasised by people who don't use EVs and that the vast majority of people could already use them just fine, at least for smaller vehicles (which is why we are heading up the S-curve of adoption quickly, at least). I was just pointing out the logic error in what the OP said.

[@MrSepox]

i absolutely love this gorgeous car :)

[@Neofolis]

I was recently in the market for my first EV and I was deciding mostly between the ID3 and the Kona. I prefer the look of the ID3 and prefer that it is rear wheel drive, but I went for the Kona because it had more features that I wanted and seemed easier to live with. I've not had it long, but I'm very happy with my choice so far.

[@bobqzzi]

Wish they were bringing this to the US. My wife needs a car soon and this would be good. Looks like the Hyundai is the next best bet

[@JosueMartinez-yr8yt]

Even an ioniq is a good choice

[@user-hh2lo9fs5e]

Well we get the ID4 in the USA which looks pretty simialr

[@bobqzzi]

@@user-hh2lo9fs5e It really is much, much larger and expensive

[@user-hh2lo9fs5e]

@@bobqzzi definitely bigger but still a crossover not a full size suv. Also with federal tax credit it’s as low as 32,500. Not bad for a new electric car

[@Isaac-un4cn]

I would consider looking at the Kia Niro EV as well. Similar range to Kona but considerably roomier. Very similar price, also. I own one and get around 270 miles range driving at 65 mph.

[@pr8175]

The motors between Tesla and vw are different. Efficiency of the Tesla is better than vw in high velocities

[@ambertudor]

Robert, RANGE is very important for us living here in the USA, as there are vast distances to cover here, most people that live here that i have talked to , have said that when electrics car ranges hit 700 miles (70 mph for 10 hrs is usually a normal 1st stop when on vacation) then they will buy one as then it can be a 1 car household and you won't have to own another car to take long trips in, please keep this in mind when you make videos, as there are alot of us here in the states that are subscribed to you, thanks and you are doing a great job!!

[@JackRussell021]

Very few people could go for 10 hours straight without stopping for a comfort break or to get some food. And there are very few ICE cars that have that kind of range, so why would an EV need it?

[@ambertudor]

@@JackRussell021 Where do you live??? Most ICE cars can go 400-500 miles on a tank , I didnt say we dont stop at all , but if we do , its usually only for fuel and its only for 10 -15 min, for fuel and to go in and get snacks-drinks etc , and then we are off again until the next fuel stop or 10 hrs for the day. These are the kind of trips that families make in the summer, to go visit relatives, or national parks, etc.. You could do a trip like this in a EV but it would take forever, and time is important on these trips, as one might only have a week off, so as i have stated before, when EV's get that range , the ICE will be doomed. Its not to say that a person cant buy one now and make it a 2 car family , but by making it a 2 car family, it adds a extra cost, when if the EV got 700 miles of range you could only have 1 car and have no extra cost.

[@dercapndirk]

Would be interesting to calculate the energy efficiency of German ICE or S-Bahn - fully electrified. Concerning the ID.3 I like it very much and range even with the standard 58 kWh is really good. Travel assist and HUD are really nice (I've bought the ID.3 Tech).

[@Bow-to-the-absurd]

How much range does it lose in winter? What happens if you floor it a few times? More range is always a good thing. That's why hot hatches don't make 100 bhp anymore, for example.

[@Brian-om2hh]

ICE cars are less efficient and also lose range in winter.......

[@mikeselectricstuff]

So it does with 77kWh what the Kona does with just 64kWh - considering the battery is the biggest cost you'd think they'd put more effort into better efficiency

[@jay-uo2bi]

@@cbflazaro But a significant cost. I would be interested, roughly, how much are li-ions per kwh? I'm also intrigued where you got that data from.

[@Nathan-rn8yg]

More performance, less efficiency goes hand in hand.

[@jay-uo2bi]

@@Nathan-rn8yg No, absolutely not. Having a bigger motor does not mean it uses more energy at the same rate of output. It may mean marginally more weight but otherwise no. They do not go hand in hand. Anyways, the ID3 performs insignificantly better than the Kona.

[@metricstormtrooper]

@@cbflazaro where can I buy these batteries you speak of? I'd love to replace mine.

[@Nathan-rn8yg]

@@jay-uo2bi You can't have high output and have it sip energy too. Bigger power loads are going to draw on the batteries more hence the larger battery to get the distance.

[@elementalpowers7106]

Nice car with solid range!

[@Mi82475]

Thanks for using also the metric system. I think it's not fair to say "It's super fuel efficient" if it is 10% less efficient that a much fester car that is 4 years old. It's... quite fuel efficient, but I'm sure they can improve.

[@silverfox57]

As a taxi driver you never know where you are going with the next fare so half way through a shift I couldn't do a trip from Darlington to Manchester Airport without stopping for a charge. Taxi drivers are the ones that need the legs of miles for convenience to the customer.

[@Liksmaskaren]

I drive 225km to work. I live in northern Sweden and it is cold with long winters. I need a car that can do that in -30C. Sure, I don't drive there and back every day but it is still 225km there and 225km back home. Please visit up here and do range tests when the pandemic is over.

[@0Turbox]

Damn, then load a bit in between...

[@Liksmaskaren]

@@0Turbox Then I need a Tesla. There are six or eight superchargers and one single charger for other cars about 2/3 of the way starting from home.

[@julianillo62]

I’d rather have the fifth seat than the bigger battery. Great review, Rob!

[@davidsommen1324]

You can have both

[@MarkSlavin]

Had one out for a test drive on Saturday. Very nice, much more room than the Polo we're going to replace it with. Just need to work out which spec. I like the pano roof, it lightens the interior massively, with the top of the range doesn't have it? The colours are a bit drab too. No reds (orange, purple etc.) in the range.

[@zackblack7564]

Can you please stop being so closed minded when it come to the need for EV’s with a long range per charge. Just because you can charge in your garage or driveway every night does not mean everybody can. The constant put down of ‘You don’t need to go 300 miles per charger’ is quite frankly insulting to the 6 million plus households in the UK who can’t even park close to there abode let alone on a driveway or in a garage. Millions of people have long daily commutes with no guarantee of a parking spot when they get home. There is no doubt the charging infrastructure will grow to accommodate all needs in the future. But for all those people without off street parking at home or at work there will always be a need for EV’s with enough range to last the week on a single charge. If like me (in a past life thankfully) you are faced with a long daily commute (an hour and half drive each way) and 12hr shifts, stopping every night on the way home to charge the car simply is not manageable. As of June 2020, a total of 6,642,000 households in the UK do not have off street parking. That is just the UK, most other countries face this problem as well. The counter argument to this is normally along the line of ‘move closer to work’ or ‘change jobs’. For millions of people this is not an option and never will be. There will always be a need for cars that can go 300 mile plus in the rain, at night, in the middle of winter at motorway speeds. Will we get them? Yes, and it is clear they will get cheaper and charge faster. But there will always be people who will have to go out of their way to charge. Only having to do that just once a week is for many people the only option. So having said all that, when lock down ends (hopefully soon), why don’t you do a real test. Do a 60 mile round trip commute (about an hour’s drive each way) with a 10 to 12 hour shift per day in between, for a week (yes many people have to do that). Only charge with public chargers. Then come back and talk about how people do not need a long range EV.

[@simhedgesrex7097]

I would agree. I drive to Scotland (Edinburgh) several times a year from the south of England (not far from Cullompton, as it happens, a 440 mile journey), and cannot park by my house and charge. So I'd charge to 80% of that 300 miles (so 240 miles) and realistically will need to recharge twice on the journey, becaus there isn't always a charger exactly at the end of the journey. I'm not saying that that isn't doable, but it's not the irrelevance Robert makes out.

[@UBERmorrison]

I have an EV, no charger at home. Never have any issues. 58KWh I.D3. Maybe try one before spunking facts and figures out.

[@zackblack7564]

@@UBERmorrison I think you should read my post before making such a comment. A 58kw battery would allow most people to go a full week on a single charge. For people who work 12hr shifts 5 days a week (like I have in the past), with long commutes, there is not much time to stop and charge during the week. What I was getting at is the constant rhetoric of people do not need long range EV’s. With commuting, my average day was 14hrs. Leave home a 5am and back just in time to see the kids to bed a 7pm. Many people are in this position. These are not ‘spunked’ figures, this was unfortunately very real for many years. A car like yours would have allowed me to go 3 or 4 days between a charge. That is something that could have worked in that situation but then it is a mid to higher range car. You sort or make my point. You don’t have a problem because of the range of your car. Personally I am looking forward to getting a 4 or 5 year old BMW i3 at some point. Its 60 to 80 mile range will be more than adequate for my needs. Not something I could have said many years ago.

[@UBERmorrison]

@@zackblack7564me too bud. I drop by a public charger a few times a week. All fine. People don’t need long range EVs.

[@sargfowler9603]

Totally agree. If an ICE manufacturer introduced a 5 gallon tank on their car which only did 250 miles, do you think anyone would buy it?

[@calummacleod4416]

Fully charged testing my patience again. Didn’t do the range test cos I couldn’t be bothered come on rob.

[@davidsommen1324]

Bjorn will do a 1000km challenge this weekend with the 77kWh ID3 if I'm not mistaken.

[@willdashwood82]

Exactly. What was the point of making a range test video and then not testing the full range? Nothing here that hasn't been already covered before.

[@alanrickett2537]

This is tomorrow's world not open university (1980s UK TV reference)

[@rogerstarkey5390]

"How about UK range..... Sufficient"? (Which is what he told you at least 4 times) He literally said "It outranged me..... I could have charged at that point but I didn't....." It's established a "base" mileage of 280. Indicated that a "comfort break" at UK services would allow 20(?) Minutes extra charge, let's say 120 miles? If you *were* on the motorway only getting 2.6 miles per kWh and you *average* 65mph (realistic) that's a max of 320 miles, call it 300, so 4.6 hours, I'd be ready for lunch? Out-ranges the driver..... All we need to know.

[@calummacleod4416]

100% to flat that’s a range test ffs

[@ferkeap]

Nice music choice.

[@jeffreyperrin7952]

Hi Robert, was getting a zappy charger for my iD3, rethinking this now. Jeff Perrin.

[@clupus63]

"You don't drive 173 miles on your commute". I do. My commute is 95 mile each way (190 miles) with zero charging stations along the way. Plus it gets proper cold here (-35 degrees). So, yeah, Some of us have different situations.

[@MrNeeds]

Kona EV will do that with -35f easy, both ways without stopping.

[@BiW1nning]

Many EVs are already capable of that. But why are you doing this to yourself? Think how much of your life you're wasting on commuting.

[@1701_FyldeFlyer]

He was talking about the UK.

[@mralistair737]

I'm going to go out and say that this is an insane situation and you are wasting huge amounts of your life sitting in a car.. you need to move house or workplace! . so designing for your circumstance wouldn't be totally logical. However it would actually work with this car, and if your workplace installed a few chargers then it'd work with pretty much every electric car on the market.

[@MrNeeds]

@@1701_FyldeFlyer nowhere in the UK hits -35C, unless they’re talking about Wick

[@off-roadrcaddict4572]

It'll probably be another 4 to 5 years before I could buy an electric car, can't wait to see what's out then 😎👍

[@adams7405]

Hopefully VW will have a second generation out then with way better software, solid state battery and 400 mile range.

[@julienromane897]

Such a brilliant car 👍🏻

[@fastfreddy19641]

I like the front, not so sure about the back. Nice range and VW build quality. 👍

[@BehroozShariati]

How could you not say anything about the EV van parked next to the charger? That seemed a lot more interesting than a car you already reviewed once.

[@nutzeeer]

I just prefer the kona because of its efficiency. and the kona 2 even has solar cells!

[@Leopold5100]

excellent

[@chrisrichmond403]

I thought the Voyager train left a stink of its toilets near you as it passed . I still like the ID.3 even tho I own a Leaf . I test drove a first edition version back in December. It was the first ever proper test drive I have ever done on a Ev . The only reason I purchased the leaf is because it’s cheaper ( Much Cheaper) and my budget could not stretch to a ID.3 & I did not want any sort of finance. Granted my leaf dates from 2015 & not under warranty but it’s suitable for my needs & for what miles I do no probs on range.

[@DavidKnowles0]

How often have VW been updating their software in their ID cars?

[@rogerstarkey5390]

More to the point, how long? Wasn't the launch delayed 6 ish months?

[@josefv8708]

@@rogerstarkey5390 Launch was not delayed...but shipped with buggy Software...and earlier owners signed that they know this and got some incentives...3 month free leasing. There were some updates and now there is 2.1, which is able to do OTA...updates after this do not need visit of garage anymore.

[@uberdump]

The moment VW settle the diesel-gate UK court case and pay out, is the moment I’d ever consider buying or leasing their vehicles again.

[@BobH809]

I too really like the ID3, this version in particular. I used the ID3 configurator on the VW website and have my ideal spec in black with the copper highlights, looks cool. Although I cannot afford one, I hope that one day I might be able to, but then, at that point, there will be a whole host of other lower cost EV's, which I am not likely to be able to afford either. However, unlike some people, this remains the same for fossil fuel cars too.

[@Jorvik-The-Poor]

Drinking a shot every time Bobby mentions going to South Africa to drive the ID3 demo car. 🍻