100% EV sales by 2025? China goes gangbusters! Solid State MG4! October's Almost Breaking News!

[@gauteweb]

Main reason EV's are such a success here in Norway isn't that we make billions selling making and selling oil. It's that we have ridiculously high taxes on fossil cars, so an electric car without taxes (as they are tax free below €50.000) appears reasonably priced. Second important reason is that charger-networks are all over the place here, you don't need to plan your trip. Whenever you need a break, there is a charger close by. Last important reason: Most Norwegians own their own house/apartment and thus most Norwegians can install their own home-charger outside their house or in their parking lot.

[@mortenjohannesen5429]

No the reason is that the majority of the population has fall victim of mass PSYCHOSIS and the population has never thirsted after the truth but rather listen to propaganda with illusions to make them feel better. EVs will eventually fail.

[@Scriptkiddi3]

How does it work in cities where many people don't have their own parking spot or garage?

[@Soulboy63]

& you can de ice , pre heat !

[@geirmyrvagnes8718]

@@Scriptkiddi3 Just fine. Remember: If everybody buys electric, it takes over a decade for all the cars to be electric. Plenty of time to build charging infrastructure. If there is a parking spot in an urban area, it is technically simple to put a slow charger there. All paved urban areas on the planet have electricity. If this parking area belongs to the building in which you live, the administrators of the building can not say "no, we don't want chargers here". They must facilitate charging by law. Usually they put the cables in to all the spots, just like they put in all other infrastructure. Of course you pay your more or less fair share of this, there are no free lunches, but there is lunch. Not a problem on a decade scale.

[@MrCazjd]

If every Norwegian had an EV grid wouldn’t cope, where do people think the electricity comes from to charge these cars? Magic? Solar 🤪🤣

[@Peter.R.M.]

Visitors to China are reporting that Shanghai, China's commercial centre and city of 30 million people, is a remarkably quiet city to visit and pollution levels have reduced substantially. This is because of the very high take up of electric vehicles - bikes, cars and commercial vehicles - by residents and businesses in the city. With the Chinese also rapidly turning to renewable energy this has to be very positive news.

[@mikeolly67]

China may be using more renewable energy as virtue signalling exercise, but they are also building coal power stations at an alarming rate, they were responsible for 95% of the world’s coal power station construction in 2023.

[@aussie405]

I am told that Lahore in Pakistan also now has much cleaner air as the fossil fuel scooters are being replaced.

[@palemale2501]

The day they deploy more clean electricity generators than the weekly increasing coal fired ones, will be when they should be praised.

[@skierpage]

@@palemale2501 stop getting your factoids from fossil fuel misinformation. The changeover happened a few years ago. "New capacity installed in China 2023" from ClimateEnergyFinance: 58 GW of thermal power (mostly coal) vs. 76 GW of wind power and 217 GW of solar. Sure, the wind doesn't blow all the time and the sun sets every night, but equally the capacity factor of the coal plants has dropped to around 50% because when renewables are generating, shoveling tons of coal into a thermal plant obviously can't compete on price. The coal plants are insurance because local governments are afraid of angry citizens if the power goes out, but the mindset will probably change. China leads on renewable installation and it still has a large and growing coal industry that supplies about 70% of its power. But renewables are growing by double digits and coal is growing 6% a year.

[@edc1569]

This is written like some sort of propaganda piece, why are relying on “visitors to China reporting” when we have actual data from pollution monitoring stations in Shanghai. Most of Shanghai’s pollution has never been from cars, it was terribly polluted when hardly anyone was allowed a car. It is however definitely heading in the right direction.

[@tombh74]

In Denmark 57 % of all new car sales in September were fully electric.

[@lagmonster7789]

and UP from ~45% in Jan too 😁

[@karencarpenter8275]

How many cars is that

[@tombh74]

@karencarpenter8275 Denmark is a small market compared to most other countries. Fully electric cars are now more than 10% of all cars on the roads. This is manly because of the very low tax on electric and hybrids and because of good charging infrastructure.

[@lagmonster7789]

@@karencarpenter8275 It was 8901 for September specifically and 60814 in total for 2024 so far.

[@chairmakerPete]

​@tombh74 so the drivers have been bribed to take EVs 😂

[@Jaw0lf]

Always a pleasure to watch! Having 250 to 300 miles of range in an EV definately makes them work on long journies, but that would be over 4 hours driving and I always need to stop before that. My Tesla Model 3 charges about 3 times quicker than my Kia E Niro 4+ I used to own. Downside means I can never finish my coffee, let alone eat luch, before the car is charged and ready to go again. The E Niro charging being slower, let us use the facilities and enjoy a coffee and cake.

[@RBcymru]

How many EV drivers get on a jet to go away for £30 to Spain...loads. Hypocrites. EV drivers can't see the negative side of EV's, self righteous twats. Talking bollocks as usual Robert.

[@philarmour]

My MG4 charges too fast for us to have a reasonable length meal stop. Bolt down a burger with a ginger beer and away we go again. Not complaining , but the days of a leisurely break from driving are coming with better chargers.

[@ralpharmsby8040]

We charged our e-Niro at Tesla - Elveden Inn near Thetford and had to go back to unplug before finishing our meal!

[@nath042]

The final coal power plant also shut down yesterday, coal free UK!

[@Fredcat-6]

Not when you count the 20-30% imported which will be partly coal powered

[@Brian-om2hh]

And where does most oil come from, and how does it get to the UK?

[@drunkenhobo8020]

@@Fredcat-6 I think you're confusing gas & fuel imports with electricity imports. We don't import anything like that amount of our electricity.

[@acceleratedriving]

Lots of coal powered electricity production in China though.

[@colinwiseman]

​@@acceleratedrivingbut they are accelerating their production of renewable energy massively. They'll soon be driving all electric all clean.

[@animal355]

Comedy gold, Geoff Buy Cars sent me here.

[@Brian-om2hh]

Ours is not to reason why, if you prefer to listen to someone who believes vapour trails left by air travel are being used to control the weather......nuff said.

[@olkrc8121]

​@@Brian-om2hh a lot of what Geoff buys cars said regarding EVs has come true, and lots from other people too. Just try being more open minded instead of listening to one side

[@MrDannyFandango]

will he talk about where the battery materials come from? so so green isn't it

[@animal355]

@@olkrc8121 I do, and I also have common sense and don’t particularly like debt for a depreciating asset such as a new car and especially so with EVs; like Robert stated that battery technology is moving so fast that most EVs now with suffer from technical obsolescence within 2-3 years of the finance agreement term, placing a lot of EVs into negative equity. And I don’t need Robert’s or Geoff’s opinion to tell me that.

[@animal355]

@@MrDannyFandango or how much C02 it creates to create 1 EV battery. No The way to fix the environment is very simple most primary school kids (middle schoolers if you’re from the states) you plant more trees, take care of the bees and clean the seas. It should be on a T-shirt.

[@danglebals8432]

As much as I agree with you on most things, to say that ICE engines are the same as 40 years ago is rubbish. Whilst obviously still burning dinosaurs, efficiency and emissions have been reduced by a massive amount. Please don’t fall into the trap of slagging off anything that doesn’t fit your remit.

[@DarrenJohnBayliss]

Yes it was a silly thing to say and it doesn't win anyone over to your side when you say things so obviously false. In fact it creates doubt over other things that are said.

[@MrKOenigma]

Every time you start these engines could, they are not filtering, they are not reducing... In that moment they are as bad as 100years ago, to find a mean average with saying 40 years is really generous❤❤

[@kooooons]

To everyone interested i'd like to point out that there's a German Trucker driving an electric Semi and doing almost exclusively long haul trips, showing the world how well it already works and how the future of electric trucking will look like. He's been massivly successful in Germany and a few Days ago he launched the English version of his channel. It's "Electric Trucker" and so far only one of the german videos has been re-dubbed by himself but the rest should follow soon. I highly recommend subscribing.

[@greggpon7466]

Does he save a bunch of money using electricity? Or does he have to pay for fast charging?

[@kooooons]

@@greggpon7466 I believe there was a calculation about that and the company he drives for is saving about 30% if I remember correctly. The company is massively investing in Battery electric trucks. TheGerman minister of economics even referred to the guy in one of his speeches

[@carl8790]

Thanks for highlighting the channel, but unfortunately he only has 1... not really interesting to me, video on the English channel. So I'm watching his German videos on auto-translate.

[@kooooons]

@@carl8790 Yes, well. Considering he's a 1-Man-Show, I think we need to be a little patient. More Videos are going to come. Nonetheless, to get the channel to be suggested to more people outside Germany, I think it would be great to leave a subscription there. I don't know if that makes a difference but I'm pretty sure that his channel has mainly german subscribers and KZbin might not suggest it to international audience unless there's some international subscribers.

[@phillyphil1513]

thanks i'll check him out. i'm 'Murican (who's German is a bit rusty) but i'll get through it.

[@markplain2555]

Careful about the Nigeria story. They have in the past bragged about building cars from the same factory - this is actually a con. The cars are fully made in China, but they literally sneak them into a factory and install a part like a bumper then pretend the car is 'made in Nigeria'. And that way they avoid import duties.

[@linphilip6389]

Everyone knows, so what can you do? US and Europe played games first so China can play too.

[@sammytsang7479]

​@@linphilip6389 avoiding import tax only benefits the customer of said product. Got to ask the customer why they buy said product. Might be due to quality and price being OK on the wallet.

[@KennyL0009]

It is still good. More EVs in Africa.

[@peterthebricky]

Completely off topic but if ever they're looking for someone to play Erich Honecker your the man

[@fullychargedshow]

Thanks for the heads up. I thought it odd that I could not find any stats or other information about the vehicle.

[@soennecken8]

I was there 40 years ago and can confirm that in those days you put petrol into the hole in the side and toxic waste came out of the hole at the back. The same applies today. And though some may argue that some of the toxins are lessened, the waste is still toxic and will kill just as effectively as it would have 40 years ago.

[@JK-NOT-JK]

I have an EV. Great to drive, terrible to own re depreciation and public charging. Reason for the sales growth and drop of diesel sales is down to tax, not because EVs are great. Be interesting to see what happens when some of the company tax incentives are removed / reduced. I suspect sales will stall.

[@Brian-om2hh]

Perhaps you ought to have *leased* it rather than buying it? Most of the depreciation is then for the leasing company to deal with.

[@lordmord8378]

@@Brian-om2hhdepreciation directly impacts costs of leasing. The cost gets passed onto the leaser indirectly. Leasing costs for EVs have sky rocketed since the depreciation of EVs has become so pronounced. There is no free lunch

[@terrygloster6507]

sales of EV cars in the UK have NOT skyrocketed, dealers are having to register them due to the 15 grand government penalties on each vehicle if they don't then they sell the brand new cars as 'second hand' cars, what a fiasco !!

[@gordonmackenzie4512]

Indeed ! I benefited massively from this. 7 month old car with 5000 miles. The exact model and colour I wanted for 46% discount off retail price 😅

[@Hybridog]

Rosenbauer makes fire trucks and a lot of other firefighting tools. This includes the Rosenbauer Battery Extinguishing System Technology (BEST). This thing has a powerful punch and is connected to the fire hose. Firefighters slide it under the car directly below the burning battery compartment. It then punches a hole in the bottom and floods the battery box with water extinguishing the fire. They seem to be covering all the angles.

[@jockmoron]

And here in 100% clean green New Zealand, battery car sales have fallen through the floor. From around 20% of new and imported s/h car registrations in 2023, they are now down to an average of 5% as to August 2024. This is because BEVs no longer have any government discounts, the government are withdrawing clean car legislation, they have introduce road user charges of $76/1,000 km or 7.6cent/km. and have failed to increase petrol taxes and carbon charges .The NZ government is a petrol headed monster of environmental unconcern and NZ's "reputation" as a "clean green" country is again confirmed as a deceiving sales pitch to gullible foreigners and native New Zealanders alike. . .You should do a programme or item on New Zealand's less than stellar record.

[@FrozenDung]

I did think that when I was there last year, kiwis love their big trucks and SUVs with bigger engines. My old boss was a great guy but he was refuting anything about V8s being the best way to get around Otago lol

[@charedj]

Isn't it great! Considering the rubbish greenwashing EV's have had, when they don't have huge government incentives they show their true value. Hybrids, vehicles that actually make sense, make up 44% of September sales, which is pretty great to see.

[@AJames-jr8kw]

You miss the point completely. The NZ government is forcing people to buy petrol by putting a 7.6-8.9 cents/km tax ($76/1000km+$13 recording fee) on EVs which petrol cars don't have to pay. They have ~72 cents/litre tax. NZ has lots of small secondhand Japanese imports which do about 5 to 6.5ltr/100km So about 3.6-4.6c/km tax on petrol and twice that on EVs. Additionally the EVs cost way more. New Petrol Hybrid Kona $38k, Old Kona EV $70k !!

[@zombiestyled]

Good ideas shouldn't need tax payer subsidies.

[@mchlbk]

​@@zombiestyledMost new tech does.

[@Ian_Woods]

Must admit always like BMW and other than the stupid name obviously a beautiful car, but £100,000 not going to be parked on my drive any time soon, 🤣. But I've had my model 3HSR (1st EV) for 10 months, just passed 20,000km (12,430 miles) in it. Just got back from a 6000 km (3728 miles) trip, from Spain, through France, to Edinbough, Wales etc, and back to Spain. Going always at max speed of road, i.e in France 130kph (81mph), with 3 adults and 2 children, trunk and frunk stuffed full. Yet! Still averaged for whole trip 136 wh/km (7.35 km/Kwh) (4.6 M/Kwh). Total cost of Charging was €330.89 (£276.03) thats 5.51 Euro cents per km (7.4 Uk pence per km) my diesel car costs 14.9 Euro cents per km (12.4 uk pence). That means my diesel car would have cost more than 900 euros (750 pounds) a €569 euro (474 pounds) saving over my diesel and I never drive my diesel over about 100 kph (60mph) as it then drinks the fuel. I am super impressed with it and will be selling my diesel. When are you going to have a fully charged show in Spain?

[@jimmys6566]

are you sure you got 4.6 miles per kWh driving at 80mph, really sure?

[@Ian_Woods]

@@jimmys6566 I'm sure! Really sure! Read my comment in its entirety, not just 4.6 miles per kWh, all the math is done for you. if you don't know how to change 136 wh/km to km per kwh just divide 1000 by 136, then km to miles just multiply by 5 and divide by 8. Your 80mph commment, again try to read the whole comment, the 136wh/km is the AVERAGE energy usage for the WHOLE trip. I said MAX SPEED FOR THE ROAD, obviously not all roads can you do 80mph, my comment " i.e in France 130kph (81mph)" is obviously an example as in france many of the roads you can do this speed. MY point which I thought was obvious is that you can drive the car normally.

[@jimmys6566]

@Ian_Woods the fact that l converted your account to Wh per mile would indicate that there is no point in telling me the conversion formula. Note that as Watt was a man, the unit is Wh and not wH

[@Ian_Woods]

@@jimmys6566 hahaha, now you've impressed me. 🤣

[@jameznash]

Thats insane price for the diesel - but i guess its the price of fuel thats the problem I did the same trip to southern Spain and back in an old petrol Alfa Romeo 2.0 petrol - the entire trip including all fuel and all accommodation etc... was less than £750. Electric vehicles are only better now because of the increase in fuel prices by the corruption going on across Europe regarding taxes.

[@winfriedtheis5767]

About things that are supposedly impossible: heavy duty longhaul road transport by battery electric vehicles. There is a young man in Germany, and his boss the owner of a seizable logistics company, who both did somehow miss the information that it is impossible to run 42t lorries across Germany on batteries and an electric engine. The @electrictrucker shows now already for 11 weeks on his German KZbin channel that it works actually extremely well! He just started an English translation of his channel, which you'll find using the handle above!

[@MaticTheProto]

Yup! And Mercedes managed to make a fully electric and seemingly very competent truck before Tesla

[@marcelreijnen]

Indeed! I am following him from the beginning. Impressive stuff, And a very sympathatic presentation.

[@Brian-om2hh]

M.A.N., Volvo, Scania, Mercedes and others, already have fully electric HGV's on sale.... An electric "engine" It's a *motor* not an engine.. There are already around 1500 fully electric HGV's on Germany's roads.

[@MaticTheProto]

@@Brian-om2hh in Germany we use the word engine („Motor“) for both

[@TheIronArmenianakaGIHaigs]

I think battery range in EVs has gotten to a point where now Fast Charging access is a limiting factor. I'm happy that EV chargers are going be forced to accept contactless by the end of the year. One complaint I have though is the necessity of creating accounts or having monthly subscriptions to get cheaper rates than 85p on fast charging. Imagine if you had to go to the petrol station and pay a monthly membership fee through an app to get 20%. You're not getting 20% off you're being mugged for not signing up by paying extra when it isn't necessary. Maybe the government could consider tackling this 😀

[@xxwookey]

It's always the combination of battery range and charger speed/availability that determines utility. Battery range in vans is still an issue, especially for campers and tradies who travel long distance. Everything except the relatively small Buzz can only just manage 200 miles. Vans have large frontal area, and not much attention to aero, and also struggle with weight limits, so would genuinely benefit from smaller/lighter/long-range batts. Most buyers are very price-sensitive too (except campers) which is part of the reason (along with load) why manufacturers are not putting big batts in them yet. I'm sure you can physically make a 300-mile e-vivaro/transit, it's just that no-one _is_ yet, because it would be expensive, with limited load capacity. Roll on solid-state batts that improve those numbers.

[@MaticTheProto]

@@xxwookeyhey you just summarized the topic of my bachelor‘s thesis :P

[@fritslevie4461]

No, man is the limiting factor. Who is driving 4 hours without rest?

[@xxwookey]

@@fritslevie4461 erm. Me? A 4 hour drive on Friday night and Sunday evg is entirely normal. It's long way to Yorkshire or Wales. We don't normally stop, other than for fuel every 700 miles (although a Bradford curry is not unheard of).

[@xxwookey]

@@MaticTheProto OK, well your work is probably more thorough than my youtube comment. What did you find/conclude?

[@DrRogB]

It's not true that internal combustion engines haven't changed in the last 40 years. They have acquired lots of very expensive sub systems, made of life limiting plastic and electronics. This improved efficiency and emissions significantly, It didn't help longevity and reliability much.

[@theelectricmonk3909]

"It didn't help longevity and reliability much." - I disagree. 40 years ago, if a car made 100,000 miles, it was ready for a complete engine re-build - assuming the rest of the vehicle wasn't falling apart, which it ususally was. Very few motors (Volvo were a notable exception) had any kind of longevity. These days, 250-300k miles or more is quite normal.

[@colinwiseman]

They just been tweaked ever so slightly. A change, but hardly a perceptible change for most non car folks.

[@i6power30]

@@theelectricmonk3909 it's not the engine but electronics and plastic tubes and pumps that fall first.

[@theelectricmonk3909]

@@i6power30 Even so, cars are doing double or triple the mileage they used to do before failing - and, as you say, it's the plastic bits that go first. The oily bits are probably good for 500k+ without needing a major overhaul - assuming they're well looked after obviously. Electronics, yeah, that's a problem across the board.

[@i6power30]

@@theelectricmonk3909 electronics calendar age rather than wearing out based on mileage. So even if you are a low mileage driver, the car can fall after 7 years with only 50k miles because of the oxygen sensor or transmission control module failed. With these electronics deeply embedded inside the engine making the cost of repair exceed the value of 7 year old vehicle. In that sense in order to achieve the fuel efficiency, modern ice cars fail just as early as EVs in calendar age wise, while burning fuel to add to the cost and polluting the air

[@theelectricmonk3909]

Modern battery technology is developing as fast as combustion engine technology developed 100 years ago. In 1924, one of the most powerful cars you could buy had an 8 litre, 160hp engine (20hp/litre) - an absurdly low figure by today's standards. In just a few years time, we'll look back on today's MG4s and similar, and wonder how we ever managed with such small charge capacities & such slow charging speeds.

[@MaticTheProto]

Nah

[@norwichhouse]

Before WWI there were quite a few electric vehicles, especially commercial, being produced but they were crushed by the oil companies.

[@Bercilakdehautdesert-yt1gd]

The first electric car was built in 1830 (as a novelty vehicle), by the late nineteenth century electric cars set the first 6 land speed records. What killed EVs was the electric starter motor, which then made ICE more convenient. ICE is still more convenient but only because the charging infrastructure and time to re-charge cannot match liquid refuelling.

[@mlj9931]

Electric is much more convenient if you can charge at home and rarely do a journey that exceeds the range if the car.

[@petersherratt]

2:00 you should make the point that Norway is also 90% plus renewable electricity

[@Orbit353]

98% renewable..... and the last 2% is gas powered generation at a LNG factory for exporting gas. If we stopped exporting gas, we would not need that last bit.

[@geirmyrvagnes8718]

It is nice to have all that rain in those mountains, but EVs will run happily on nuclear, coal or generators hooked up to hamster wheels.

[@jameznash]

and it takes loads and loads of oil to make those so called renewable devises

[@jameznash]

@@Orbit353 but remember that does not count the vast amounts of oil required to manufacture "renewable" infrastructure and run it

[@geirmyrvagnes8718]

@@jameznash Don't these fools see how much stone is used to make these so-called bronze tools? 😆

[@virtual-adam]

3:04 You mean diesel car sales over a long period of time? Quiet a few articles on Google say diesel car sales have gone up recently? One UK article states... "Registrations of new diesel cars in September for private buyers grew by around 17.2 per cent" Is there any 'recent' information on sales going down?

[@bronca999]

When you say ICEs remain the same as they were 40 years ago... can you explain what the hell are you talking about???

[@kennethausten]

Cannot afford to be without my diesel car. EV is too costly. To pay a taxi every day would bankrupt me. Very worrying.

[@nigelbrown2274]

NIO has a wonderful looking fully electric touring for sale in Europe, the ET5T.... a real challenger to the 5-Series touring, 500 km range, cheaper and.... can swap it's battery in 4 minutes!

[@FordGT40MkIV]

Great show as usual. FYI: In the US there is a difference between a fire truck and a fire engine. The former carries ladders and other rescue and fire fighting equipment while the latter carries water and pumps water from a hydrant.

[@RootoFrance]

I cycled past about 50 Renault 5 EVs lined up in the car park of Nice Airport yesterday. R5 Road test video incoming? Welcome to Nice, whoever's doing the test!

[@Brian-om2hh]

The new R5 electric is allegedly selling like hot cakes in France. There have already been around 8000 expressions of interest in the UK, along with some people paying for a R-Pass to move further up the waiting list!

[@davidforeman8347]

Join Robert for October's Almost Breaking News! I do miss you doing the reporting Robert!! You are the strong movement; education an entertaining!! Cheers from Alberta Canada !

[@camneilsen8234]

82kwh BMW eh? Same size as my BYD Seal , and certainly not anywhere near that cost! approx 40% of the BMW and it does 500kms highway driving easily 👍🏻

[@camneilsen8234]

Also it's Mr Llewellyns fault I bought it 😊

[@simonpaine2347]

The major difference is that BMW is not owned by a misogynistic, racist, alt right supporting, holocaust denying, bigot, so there's that.

[@edc1569]

Find the Megane e-tech way more appealing, and it’s nice to help our pals out over the channel.

[@justmechanicthings]

proudly supporting Chinese slave labor

[@marcakko2010]

First time watching. Enjoyed watching as nice to keep up to date with ev news and nee tech

[@paulcumiskey8647]

'Norway's EV adoption is world-leading, and the country is on track to achieve a 100% zero-emissions fleet by 2025. The Norwegian government offers incentives to encourage EV adoption, such as exempting electric car buyers from sales tax. EVs also have access to perks like free parking and bus lanes, and there are many free chargers in Norwegian cities.' If these weren't in place, would people choose to buy ev?

[@FabioCapela]

If EVs were as bad as many say, would those benefits sway the buyers? More so in a country that has half its territory inside the Arctic Polar Circle, and thus is home to some of the coldest inhabited places in Earth, whereas naysayers keep telling EVs don't work in the cold. BTW, Norway has plentiful and renewable electricity, so offering free slow charging as a way to attract customers is cost-effective there.

[@cestmoi1262]

No!

[@abeywarc]

I've always wanted to say this: Yes I have been watching, and thank you for hosting Robert!

[@iscadean6038]

Ha. Ha. Me too. Twenty years ago I flew to SanFrancisco with an American colleague. We picked up a rental car and as we packed up the boot, I turned to him and said, “Do you know the way to San Jose?”. Always wanted to say that as a Brit and got the chance. Ha. Ha.

[@stevenjones916]

Why didn't you mention that the UK's last coal burning powerplant shut down this week ?

[@drunkenhobo8020]

Far too up-to-date for _Almost_ Breaking News!

[@ramblerandy2397]

I think these are recorded a little bit earlier than published than people might think.

[@fullychargedshow]

This was filmed prior to the shut down but fear not will feature in the next ABN i’m sure!

[@keithoneill6273]

@@fullychargedshow And, the very same day, Port Talbot steelworks shut down its last coke-fired blast furnace. They will be installing replacement electric-arc furnaces.

[@DavidKnowles0]

@@keithoneill6273 An hopefully government will make money available to fund a hydrogen steel producing plant, as has been recommended by some experts.

[@growlinggrowler-c2v]

Carbon offset and credits definitely a con. We plant x amount of trees equivalent to x carbon. What they don't say it that the carbon is often calculated over the life of a fully matured tree or once matured. Most trees are planted but the not looked after, a high percentage of saplings never grow into full trees, there is a problem! All smoke and mirrors.

[@fredrikmossberg3870]

I was in Oslo in Norway in summer vacation. It was the most quiet city I have been in.. almost only BEVs in the streets.

[@mason.berlin]

Thanks for this Bob. Good news is hard to find these days

[@bugsygoo]

What an extraordinarily eccentric 'studio' you've put together...🤔

[@georgedaville4662]

Haven’t watched you for a while Robert. Thoroughly enjoyed your presentation and mini clip of road trip in the BMW 5 series EV👍😎

[@fullychargedshow]

Glad you've come back even if only for this episode. Much appreciated. Thank you.

[@seangibbons6520]

Another great video keep up the great work

[@ARBITRAGEandTIME]

One puff from a volcano 🌋 ☁️ 😂

[@maramé.r]

Those people demanding an enormous range on EVs must have enormous bladders

[@kritasto2813]

They also could live in apartment, without charging option. So big battery is letting them charge once a week, while grocery shopping.

[@S4MM7ify]

I love my EV but definitely pleased I went for the long range. Means if I can do long journeys much more cheaply due to visiting public chargers less.

[@Brian-om2hh]

@@kritasto2813 Exactly. Yet there are still those out there who steadfastly believe an EV has to have a 5000 mile range, and be able to charge up in the time you've taken a dump.

[@LasVegar]

​@@kritasto2813why doesn't your community invest in public chargers then,?

[@garyrooksby]

I love your presentation, Robert!

[@FamilyMorcChannel]

Robert now has a starring role in Geoff Buys Cars latest video .😂

[@mikythesaint6507]

Yes but Geoff made it funny 🤣🤣

[@ooops372]

Thank you Robert for your clear accent free English understandable very fine for foreigners!

[@jharris888]

He talks garbage very clearly

[@roystrains]

The fire engine actually has a 3ltr BMW backup engine so is not 100% electric.

[@jimmacgregor4122]

Norway pumps massive amounts of money into subsidising EV purchase and ownership - you're living in cloud cuckoo land if you think significant numbers of other countries can afford to go down that road. A quick search for very low mileage second-hand EV's will reveal just how much pre-registering of these things is going on - makes the sales figures look good - but disguises the real lack of demand from the public - and it's unsustainable for a long period. The current, well-publicised, difficulties of the motor industry arise from producing cars the public simply don't want - 2 ton SUV's - and stopping making cars that were popular.

[@christopherhann6725]

@@jimmacgregor4122 so well said you are spot on

[@jimmymack007]

I wanted to buy a EV for several years but new ones were too expensive, now the price has come down to a level I can stretch to, and even my daughter has one, I find myself still not buying one because the financial benefits are disappearing, which, despite everyone banging the green drum, is probably the main reason for most getting an EV. With the imminent advent of UK pay per mile road pricing, high insurance and servicing costs, plus electricity prices rising by 10% overnight for those not linked to a fixed pricing plan, PLUS the current level of depreciation of EVs, it really doesn’t make me want to part with my already cheap to run Kia Picanto.

[@michaelthomas3646]

to be honest you are better off with the tried and tested reliable vehicle until Hydrofuel is available. that is from someone that is 14 months into their lease of a 23 plate Nissan Leaf, who also decided to buy another diesel as their main car for distance. Public charging is a rip-off here in the UK, cheapest for the Nissan Leaf Chademo charging is 79p pkwh. then you add something like winter or summer heat into the mix, so A/C or heating, you are lucky to do 20 miles of motorway range, or 28 miles of freezing to death apart from warming up the car from battery power/kettle heater element. not Ideal when you visit friends 70 miles away. and each charge is £31.60 for a 40 KW/h battery @ 79p per kwh. during the summer I can get the mileage without A/C or anything switched on. but not as cheap as dealerships make out if you are forced to public charge, and EV's are double the price for insurance on average.

[@Brian-om2hh]

jimmymack007 You do realise that petrol and diesel costs are also about to go through the roof? And that if you *lease* a new EV rather than buying it, you side-step most of the depreciation? And why would you not switch to a fixed pricing plan for your energy? It's easy enough to do it online, or via a phone call. I renewed the insurance on my EV not long ago, and paid £82 more than it cost to insure my old ICE car. And you'll still end up paying per mile road pricing with an ICE car, so I don't see where the issue is there.

[@Brian-om2hh]

@@michaelthomas3646 Use the heated seats. They use less energy than the heater.... What on earth is Hydrofuel?? Did you mean hydrogen? That's available now, at just 11 filling points in the UK. Oh, and just 8 of those have public access.. And you have the choice of just 2 cars. The Toyota Mirai at £60k, or the Hyundai Nexo SUV at around £80k. Do you use a subscription for your public charging? You could save up to 30% on the cost if you did.... Are you telling us that a 12 Month old Leaf only has 20 miles range on the motorway? And you're paying too much for insurance. I renewed the cover on my Kia eNiro for £82 more than the last petrol car I had. Go Compare gave me 23 options to choose from when I tried them....

[@jamesdubben3687]

Breaking. Last UK coal plant shutdown last night as I watch this. Yooohoooo

[@christopherhann6725]

@@jamesdubben3687 tell that to the people losing there jobs

[@80s_kid.]

@@christopherhann6725 He won't care about that, he's an Eco idiot, those people don't think about others, Love to know how he's going to stay warm this winter, how he's going to cook his food, and how he's going to heat his water, if he thinks the planet can survive without coal he has brain damage.

[@Brian-om2hh]

@@christopherhann6725 Their jobs. It's called progress and evolution, and has been happening for thousands of years. We didn't leave the Stone Age because we ran out of stones.....

[@RichardNelson-h4b]

@jamesdubben3687 glad you are happy that people will be losing jobs and more jobs in the supply chain, utterly clueless muppet.

[@alanrutland4424]

Is t it funny that Norway has spent an enormous amount of money in giving huge subsidies to everyone that wants to buy an electric car and all the subsidies for the infrastructure is all,paid for by oil and gas. And let’s not forget that these electric car sales is only because they are heavily subsidised not because the buyers are being altruistic. I am positive that if the uk gave the equal subsidy- as they originally did - then there would far more electric car sales. Furthermore, it is indeed worrying that huge companies like VW, BMW and Mercedes are all struggling due to the forced fines they are having to pay against the slower uptake.

[@davidcolin6519]

Irizar is pronounced I-ri-thar, with the r being rolled as are all rs in Spanish.

[@FrunkensteinVonZipperneck]

Yeth

[@NickDimitrov-j6m]

As an owner of a BMW i4 e40... I would agree... it is an amazingly good ride, I have forgotten what a gas/petrol station is... (perhaps the oil lobby is spreading all the negative media about EVs) and after selling back my Prius Prime to BMW dialer. The i4 cost me around $30K.

[@CorwynGC]

500Wh/kg is the figure I have heard for being viable for aviation.

[@JohnJones-ri7pi]

Yes same as I’ve heard

[@ellisrochlin2267]

Norways been subsidised for 50 yrs or more. Super high end economy. Ps demand in uk for evs in people terms has (for want of a better word ) eased its demand, interest or sparkle in last 10/11 months. Fact . If uk public chargers were halved in charge prices like the ev used sale valuations 😢 would tempt people presently sitting on the fence. Been a electric revolution since the 80 s . EV goes back 70 plus years , my milkman uncle used to drop the towns milk off in a electric milk float.

[@regisdumoulin]

Example of dishonest reporting from France. Seen on TF1, most watched channel, during the main news bulletin. 3 cars to cover a distance of 200 miles. A petrol, a plug in hybrid and a WV ID4. Short story. The EV driver leaves on a non full battery, ignore the charger stop from the sat nav and chooses a charger in the middle of nowhere... Which happens to be broken! Then proceeds to drive to a slow charger nearby and plugs there instead of a fast charger only 100 meters away (also shown on the built-in satnav)... Then proceeds to charge for one and a half hour!!! Conclusion from the chanel? Electric car takes 5 hours to drive 200 miles as opposed to a bit more than 3 hours with a conventional vehicle!!! Brilliant! I've stopped counting the number of people who since have told me with assurance that electric cars are unsuitable for long distance travel! And worse of all, a French KZbinr rented the very same car (same number plates)... And, guess what, did the journey in 3 hours without even needing to recharge!!!

[@clivestainlesssteelwomble7665]

What's French for Fox TV .... sounds like them or another Murdoch channel. Legacy Fossil fuel producers and marketing are definitely borrowing from Trumps play book...or maybe they are just sharing it along with their profits.

[@rcmnet]

Can you link to that youtube clip or at least the channel name?

[@regisdumoulin]

@@rcmnet I'm trying to post the links but my comments are getting deleted

[@t1n4444]

Depends on where you happen to be driving of course.

[@regisdumoulin]

​​@@t1n4444In France? Not really. There are charging points just about everywhere, even in small villages. Most motorway service stations are now equipped with very few exceptions. You will be hard pressed to find a town or a village without a charging station nearby. And now all the supermarket chains (carrefour, Super U, Lidl, Auchan...) are getting fast chargers too and offering good prices to attract customers... On the other hand, if you are driving to Paris, know that from the 200 petrol stations that used to be dotted around a few years ago only around 40 remain today and more are closing each year... And EV charging points? About one every km of street! As the song says "The times they are a-changin"!

[@bosworth3398]

Sir, you need to look at the latest sales figures in the UK of all vehicles including your precious EV's published by SMMT. You are being devious with your directive...financed by whom I wonder ??!!

[@djgoode]

He obviously has and you didn’t.

[@iainhusband445]

Irizar UK are based in Worksop, just FYI

[@stephenclay6852]

Good lord I live about 10 miles from there and never new. Usual case of not knowing what’s on your doorstep

[@jpbtls]

Ive never driven any EV. I'm not against them, I think that the current technology is still in its infancy, particularly the public charging network. I think they are to expensive when new, the second hand values shows this as they seem to loose 50% in a couple of years or so. Maybe second hand is where I'll be at. Currently I still love my Jaguar XF estate 2,2 diesel esp as very good on the juice...

[@fullychargedshow]

I have zero need to change your mind, you are right, the current technology may not be in its infancy, but it's definitely still in young adolescant stages. At a recent event in front of an audience of about 250 electric vehicle drivers, only two put their hands up when asked 'is the public charging network difficult to find and use. ie, people wqho actually drive electric cars know where to charge them on the odd occassion when they do long drives. I am lucky, I can charge my car at home, I live 110 miles from London, I will be driving into London today, and driving back tomorrow. I won't need to charge the car during that trip. 2nd hand is definitely the way to go in the future, we now know the battery will outlast the car, 2nd and 3rd hand EVs are becoming more abundant. Who buys a new car? They are all ridiculously expensive, regardless of power train.. One last thing. My MG4 gets the energy equivalent of 152 miles to the gallon, also, if that gallon cost about £1. THAT is very good on the juice.

[@aarong9378]

Sadly, Americans don't want estate cars. That i5 Touring is beautiful!

[@jose-Maki]

Why would you?

[@Sekir80]

@@jose-Maki Because why not? It's better than suvs.

[@jose-Maki]

@@Sekir80 better in a city but america is huge, not everyone lives in a city doing 3 miles a day one reason they like suvs and trucks. If we are talking about a weapon on the road its a m3 or m5 touring or rs6 or something like that

[@Sekir80]

@@jose-Maki Nah, they love suvs and trucks because the big three convinced them with non-stop ad campaigns since the 70s. It's based of a CARB ruling. I'm not sure who made the video of it, maybe Climate Town. Definitely worth a dig how that ended up.

[@jonathanclutton2813]

Just spent a couple of weeks touring Germany in our 2020 eNiro; no range anxiety at all and only a couple of chargers we couldn't use as they were RFID only. And the Germans may drive fast but they can teach the Brits a lot about Lane discipline!

[@cybergornstartrooper2157]

Hmmm Google earth is not live. In Google earth the car I used to own about 10 years ago is still parked outside 😆

[@ramblerandy2397]

It can depend upon which year you pick. I was pleased to see my VW ID3 in my residential car park when I spotted it earlier this year. Go back far enough and my Fiat Tipo that was scrapped nearly two decades ago is in the same spot.

[@gazlives]

yeah google is milking this cow for as long as they can with minimal investment. once tesla licences it's FSD when it's passed regulation someone will be a competitor. maybe 5-10 years away :(

[@Brian-om2hh]

Are you looking at the right year? There is an option to choose....

[@kevmeister1702]

You missed the UK headline this week surprisingly! The last UK coal power station shut down on Monday ending 142 years of burning coal to generate electricity. Looking fwd to our first non gas burning days and the ultimate demise of the gas power stations.

[@Steven-vo4ee]

The Nigerian Innoson EV appears to be a Chinese Dongfeng Nammi 01 complete knockdown kit.

[@rp9674]

Southern California - EV adoption accelerated, I see it in my neighborhood on the freeways, I've seen every brand & model except new Fiat. EV hot spots will support the push, they'll spread, even in rural areas every building has electricity, gas has to be trucked in. California is continuing to get cleaner electrical power, our power plant has a peaker battery.

[@stephencollins5706]

Look Closely a the article the MG Solid state batteries are actually Semi Solid state not fully.

[@markiliff]

Ah Robert, so are so brilliant at this!

[@Kennon959]

Innoson EV is just a Dongfeng Nammi 01 probably assembled from CKD's given how small that "factory" looked. Looking at their other products that are from the BAIC concern I doubt they're indigenous barring a few locals screwing them together.

[@MiniBull-vq2yg]

If you actually enjoy driving a car, do not buy an EV. Quick but Emotionless lumps - the depreciation would make most weep. If it wasn’t for company car tax benefits, their sales figures would be down dramatically. Unfortunately for the EV lovers, those benefits will be fading.

[@edvoon]

So…since Electric firefighting vehicles no longer have engines, should we start calling them “Fire Motors” or “Fire EVs”?

[@FrunkensteinVonZipperneck]

Rumbling Pumpers?

[@jamesphillips2285]

Had this argument under another video about an electric aircraft conversion: you can have an electric engine. Noun: "a machine with moving parts that converts power into motion."

[@Brian-om2hh]

How about Fire Trucks?

[@vorpalteaspoon8904]

Savouring the irony of one of the ads that came up towards the end of this video being for BP 'we're building hydrogen plants and keeping oil and gas flowing to meet today's energy needs'. The algorithm really can't read the room.

[@balkanleopard9728]

Norway's population is 5.5 million and they have a sovereign fund of US$1.7 trillion (made from the sales of fossil fuels) with which to fund massive ev subsidies. After the destruction of Nordstream by the US, Norway has been selling fossil fuels to Europe at massive profit. The hypocrisy of this is off the scale. Sales of ev's are "reducing" is misleading. Sales of new ev's are pretty much flatlining - that's a fact. As an ev owner, I've seen the value of my car plummet in 3 years - so I paid €10,000 more (no government subsidy), lived with the truly dreadful supporting infrastructure, and lost about 50% of the value in my "asset". So, please explain to me what I have personally gained in all this. Without massive subsidies ev's are simply unaffordable for most of us - and Europe is bankrupt and tariffing affordable ev's out of existence, so no subsidies or joy there. We need to get some objective reality into this transition and how we are going to achieve it. EVangilising doesn't cut the mustard.

[@TomSnyder--theJaz]

Hi Robert. We here in the US call vehicles built to fight fires: Fire Engines. What the rest of North America calls them is news to me. Cheers

[@Bob-v6y2v]

Robert , you’re talking shit !!

[@Swaharland]

My goodness I love when you do this segment. I can't stop laughing. Lol. Thanks to everyone who help you bring the news to us.

[@lkrnpk]

I dunno about indigenous African car... probably some model from China. Not saying they cannot do it, but it is cheaper today to buy no brand Chinese car kits and bring them to your country, assemble and just slap a badge you need on them. In many less developed countries they do it, even in Russia...

[@glorfification]

It's hard for africans to invent a car when they never invented the wheel. Cars need wheels.

[@chrispenn715]

I find it strange in the UK that company EVs get big tax incentives but private sales get nothing and are about to be penalised by huge road tax fees

[@examinerian]

Ah, so you are saying that it was a German working at BMW who invented self-removing trousers? Blackadder the Third had me all misinformed... 🇫🇷 👖😲

[@onetwothreefour-s1n]

😂😆

[@dubaiwatches]

In June, this year (2024) Ethiopia inaugurated its large 1st EV factory in Debre Berhan, built by local entrepreneur Belayneh Kinde at a cost of more than $52 million. The factory is expected to produce around 1,000 cars per year.

[@ivanandreevich8568]

Saving $100 on fuel on a $120K car which depreciates to $60K in a year or two haha :)

[@geirmyrvagnes8718]

Buy it used after a year or two. 🤣

[@Brian-om2hh]

Which is why most who choose a new EV will *lease* it rather than buy it. Most of the depreciation is then for the leasing company to deal with. Most cars like that BMW will be leased, with very few being bought privately.... Why the concern regarding depreciation on something you don't intend to own? Isn't that like complaining about the taste and cost of porridge, when you never eat it or buy it?

[@geirmyrvagnes8718]

@@Brian-om2hh Much too serious response, I just got curious: This varies by market. For Norway (AKA The Future), about a third of new cars are bought by leasing companies, 10% are bought by other companies, so the majority of new cars are bought by and registered to private individuals. Figures for anything other than EVs are so tiny they can be ignored, but a few years back, Hybrids and ICE were leased at a higher rate than EVs. People were less likely to invest in the tech going out of style, I guess.

[@tonyireland2234]

Plastic is the biggest by product of oil.Tell me one thing that doesn't have plastic in it apart from jewelry.Does Quentin smug face still have his V8 lamborghini 4WD ?

[@philipbrown9006]

Another "simple statement of fact" is that electric cars still have the same problems of higher price, shorter range and longer refuelling than ICE cars as they did 100 years ago.

[@80s_kid.]

And if you bought an Ev brand new, prepare for the shock when you go to sell it, because you either won't be able to sell it at all, or you will have to sell it at an Enormous loss, because no body wants to buy them unless they are dirt cheap.

[@beatreuteler]

@@80s_kid. The loss is often smaller than with fossil fueled cars.

[@t1n4444]

@@beatreuteler 😂😂😂😂😂 What nonsense you type!!! BEVs are longer of interest to the car buying public at large. Even Robert has stated that sales of BEVs are lower than they were. He can't quite use the decline word yet but we can do that for him.

[@ChromeFlakes]

@@80s_kid.Try and buy a second hand EV, anything going for a good price is gone before you call them. They are selling like hotcakes and for good reason. LMC batteries are good for 800k miles before degrading by 20% LPF are good for 4 million. You’d need to have your head checked to buy combustion light transport in this day and age.

[@Brian-om2hh]

@@80s_kid. Unless you *lease* it, in which case the issue you cited doesn't exist...... Please can you point out where "dirt cheap" EV's can be found? The SMMT (Society of Motor Manufacturers & Traders) latest figures state that sales of both new and used EV's is increasing in the UK. Sales of new EV's last August met the government's 22% sales target. The SMMT are the organisation who compile the figures for the *whole* motor industry in the UK - both manufacturing and retailing - so hey, what do they know, eh? Big Barry down the pub told you EV's weren't selling, so that must be right. I suspect you know diddly squat about electric cars. Have you owned one, used one, or even sat in one?

[@TedToal_TedToal]

Your question in that first story got quite a chuckle out of me! Very good! Of course, percentage growth is going to decline eventually! Even as absolute numbers continue to grow. It should be a required exercise in grade school to calculate percentage and absolute growth along an S-curve. Even absolute growth eventually declines. Think about the transition from horses to automobiles. Eventually, it reached the point where there was a declining percentage growth in automobile sales until eventually the growth rate reached zero, or as close to zero as a growing population would allow. It doesn't mean that horses won out in the end.

[@joeking4206]

Norway: population? (A huge 5 million in a country bigger than England). National net wealth? (The richest country per capita in the world. Why? OIL!!!) Attitude towards social infrastructure? (Always been ahead of England. Socialist but they use the taxes PROPERLY!). Robert, try comparing apples with at least oranges, not apples with antelopes. Ffs.

[@alexandreb9241]

Very informative, Robert, but above all, I love your style . Very refreshing, YES, REFRESHING!😅

[@zzz-pe3mp]

The Nigerian car appears to be a Nammi 01 on steel wheels. It's chinese - daresay a base model with a rebadge.

[@winfriedtheis5767]

In Kenia there is actually a motorcycle company, who created electric motorcycles from the ground up. Though I reckon they buy the batteries in China. Which is similar to the bus maker, who also does buy the drivetrain and battery from BYD and does the chassis and suspension and so forth themselves.

[@Brian-om2hh]

Did you mean Kenya?

[@rangiemike]

Great to see another electric estate car. We’ve had our Tesla Y for 2 years now - love it.

[@MaticTheProto]

The Y is no estate

[@kiteinsidelaurentness2574]

I appreciate your effort for trying to speak my so difficult french language Robert

[@geoffhaylock6848]

150kwh battery to do 600 miles? 10 minute charging time? so that's a charger capable of 6x150kw? So where will the grid be able to supply the power for 900kw chargers? 😄

[@chairmakerPete]

Please don't clutter the comments with sensible questions based in reality 😉 This channel exists to sell you a ticket to one of its events, not to present any facts.

[@axscdvfb]

Nah, that’s just 6000 microwave ovens wired in parallel. I am sure it’s fine.

[@Payteer]

The same question was asked of 600kw chargers. Now, they are being expanded across the EU every 60km across the motorway system, so 900kw chargers aren't far off. But you carry on spreading the disinformation because that is all you have.

[@TB-up4xi]

@@geoffhaylock6848 Shenzen China has a single charging facility with 637 chargers. Germany one with 256. The Harris Ranch facility in the USA has 98 X 150 kw chargers and a peak supply capacity of over 14,000 kw if all stalls are occupied simultaneously. It's already being done.

[@t1n4444]

​@@Payteer Yes but how many chargers can there be before you blow the fuse?

[@pjdarcy]

Meanwhile, here in Ireland (an island which is perfectly sized for electric cars), the sale of new EVs has dropped off a cliff this year due to a complete lack of public charging infrastructure along with a legacy mindset in many consumers. So frustrating.

[@bw1376]

How dare consumers buy what they want. They should be forced into buying EVs because luvvies tell them to.

[@BobQuigley]

Two miles from our home Ford is building $350 million expansion of a truck factory. Electric delivery type vans will be produced there starting late 2025.

[@eddyd8745]

Where is that?

[@petersimms4982]

Big Oil / right wing lying press, telegraph,mail,sun 😮😮😮

[@RichardNelson-h4b]

Right Wing ? Please explain @petersimms4982. Laughable

[@earthjustice01]

I love your attitude! Keep up the good work. I drive an Ioniq 5 and absolutely love it.

[@smogdog]

Norway is very lucky, all them mountains has given the country a surplus of hydropower electricity. So it’s relatively cheap and there is no shortage. You can’t apply that elsewhere and he knows it but doesn’t mention it.

[@beatreuteler]

I would disagree a little bit but if you had stated "you can't apply it everywhere" I would have agreed. In my opinion you can apply it to a few other countries who have the kuxury of a geography favoring hydro power (Alpine regions for example like Switzerland and Austria), in the middle east (Turkey), and in the US you could for example apply it to regions like California, Nevada, Oregon, Washington, Arizona, Colorado, New Hampshire, Vermont, New York... etc. Then to almost every South American country, to a few in Africa like Aethiopia, Egypt, Tanzania, ...and very likely a few Asian countries sitting on the large rivers.

[@FunFindus]

Will be interesting to see if disese rates drop in Norway due to better air.

[@GeordiLaForgery]

£100,000 pounds for a bmw estate with 300m+ range is the type of story that makes EV's repellent to many.

[@theelectricmonk3909]

Almost anyone who drives an EV knows that range is more or less irrelevant. It's only people like yourself, who refuse to even consider them, who think that range is a problem.

[@michaelatkinson7577]

Yes - but did you say the same about an £80k M5, or and Ineos Landrover for £100k? No didn't think so. They will sell a tiny amount of these, as opposed to those who will sell 10s of thousands of £15-£25k models

[@i6power30]

@@GeordiLaForgery yeah but there are cheaper alternatives with superior reliability of Chinese EVs

[@NickRearden]

BMWs in general are repellent to many, let along costing £100k

[@francesconicoletti2547]

£100,000 pounds for a bmw is what makes a bmw repellent to many. Yes corporations using their clout to block competive EVs from being imported into countries with failing car industries is vile, but BMW selling a BMW is a normal Tuesday, BMW left the economy car market in the 60s.

[@ElectricCarAustralia]

Some very interesting stories, keep em coming Team.

[@Theekylesmith178]

EV’s are not the future. I won’t be getting one any decade soon.

[@Smith_Tech_70]

I have the BMW i4 edrive40 M Sport Pro. It's bloody fantastic. Last weekend, I went from Stoke on Trent to Gatwick and back (almost 400 miles) with a 30 minute charge at Gatwick Gridserve, whilst I ate lunch, grabbed a coffee, and popped to the loo. It literally could not have been simpler. A full charge prior to leaving was £5.60, and the 30 minute top up at Gatwick was £36. So 400 miles for £41.60 (10p a mile) isn't bad.

[@i6power30]

There is less cultural resistance for EV adoption in China vs the Western countries like USA, Europe and Japan, where a large portion of population still thinks noise and vibration of ICE are integral part of driving pleasure. In China, most people surveyed choose EV for their quietness and quick acceleration, none of the noise and vibration of ICE.

[@geirmyrvagnes8718]

Butts in seats change minds.

[@theelectricmonk3909]

I think a big part of that is most Chinese domestic ICE vehicles are about as refined as stuff we had in the 1970s.

[@i6power30]

@@theelectricmonk3909 most Chinese never bought domestic ice cars in large numbers. They bought VW, Audi, Toyota. But now even these brands can't compete with the refinement of EVs. And it's not nationalism. Before the rise of Chinese EV brands, Tesla was insanely popular in China. China never had this petrol head culture like the West where many derive enjoyment from loud engine sound.

[@theelectricmonk3909]

@@i6power30 In large part, the lack of a "petrol head" culture in China is because, until pretty recently, very very few could actually afford cars... Those who bought domestic were the very poorest of those who could buy - agree that most cars one saw in China (last time I was there, 4 years ago) were VWs. Virtually their entire taxi fleet is old VW Santanas. Mostly with the engine light on... in my experience!

[@MrDos22]

Got mg4 in May and I love it. Gone full electric and it works for me!